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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to a season preview Giants Round Table.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be joined by our guys in just the

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Speaker 1: second but first to reminder of the Giant Shuttle podcast

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Speaker 1: can be found on the Giants Mobile app, that Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Slash Podcast, and your favorite podcast platforms. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmilk. We're joined by Paul Schwartz in the

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Speaker 1: New York Post. We're joined by Tom Rock from Newsday

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Speaker 1: and Art Stapleton from the Record, three of our favorite

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Speaker 1: beat guys. You've done this probably five six years in

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Speaker 1: a row, now, fellas, First of all, what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna do? And we're talking to you guys before this

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Speaker 1: gonna post on Labor Day? But what are your big

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Speaker 1: weekend plans? Here? Not often do we have a Labor

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Speaker 1: Day weekend where we're not tracking rosters and looking at

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Speaker 1: cuts like this is a whole new world for us, guys,

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Speaker 1: big plans? Tell me what do you got? Well, I

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Speaker 1: haven't reported any of the roster moves yet. I planned

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Speaker 1: to hold them full Saturday. I I feel like I

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Speaker 1: feel like tradition needs to be upheld. And in that regard, John,

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Speaker 1: I've got Broncos special teams work that still needs to

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Speaker 1: be done. You've got I've got I've got Broncos red

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Speaker 1: zone that I need to look through. And I've got Broncos.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know l Way throwing that ball. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Giants defense is gonna really be you know, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a real challenge for the Giants. So l Way,

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Speaker 1: you know Danna Reeves, They're always very prepared Broncos. So

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of work to do on Broncos.

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Speaker 1: I'm already ahead of you, Fall I've already started on

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Speaker 1: Washington m a couple of weeks ago. I started on Denver.

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about Teddy Bridgewater film, but I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on to Washington. You know, that short

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Speaker 1: week going to that Thursday, I'm afraid that I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna have much time to break down the film. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday before Washington. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm at. Well, you said you feel good

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Speaker 1: about Denver art, how do you feel about the Giants

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Speaker 1: right now? I wrote on the website the other day,

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Speaker 1: how we've kind of come full circle. You know, everything

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Speaker 1: is now kind of everything we're talking about now, right.

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Speaker 1: S Quan hasn't really done much in practice yet. We

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna play two other big editions that were

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Speaker 1: supposed to help the offense, Kenny Gollady and kend Arias Tony.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really seen a whole lot of right, and

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Speaker 1: then we've gotten a very small sample size of the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, and they didn't play particularly well in that

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Speaker 1: first half of the third preseason game. So are we

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Speaker 1: kind of paul back where we started at this point

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Speaker 1: from what we were talking about back in January? Or

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Speaker 1: Am I looking at this the wrong way? No? I

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Speaker 1: think there's some valid points there. We think the defense

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Speaker 1: we think an offense led by another running back Sterling

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen the other guys on the field, and

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Speaker 1: and and we don't know if the offense can score

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Speaker 1: enough points. So right, I mean, this has been a

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Speaker 1: tremendous waiting game. You know, we've got a little glimpse

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Speaker 1: of Kenny Gollady and he took them away. They got it.

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Speaker 1: We got a little glimpse of Kadarius Tony and then

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Speaker 1: We we knew what was gonna happen with se Quando's summer,

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Speaker 1: The good news is these guys were all trending back

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Speaker 1: So at some point pretty soon we should see all

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Speaker 1: We don't know about the offense. Tom, what's your feeling

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Speaker 1: and do you think we are going to see most

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Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony is certainly when they drafted him, was was

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Speaker 1: word accentuator, Tom, that's very nice. I like that. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Um. Question on Barkley, just following up with

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Speaker 1: just it's just a matter of, uh, you know, how

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Speaker 1: there's trepidation there, there's apprehension because the Giants have been

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Speaker 1: just because he had such a nondescript summer that I

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Speaker 1: what we were re seeing? Were we seeing an offensive

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Speaker 1: line that just was trying to get used to the

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Speaker 1: speed of the game in the finale, or we're seeing

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Speaker 1: more of the same um, And I think it over

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Speaker 1: it overshadowed probably two decent performances by Nick Gates at

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Speaker 1: You know. Look, the long winded answer is you have

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Speaker 1: And I think the Giants have shown with the three

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Speaker 1: a lot of anks going into the season opener. Well, Paul, Tom,

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Speaker 1: let's open it up then to the tackles. First, I

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Speaker 1: then I if you guys had the place a bet now,

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Speaker 1: who's starting at right tackle in Week one? I think

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Speaker 1: up to the floor whoever wants to take it. Thoughts

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Speaker 1: but I think they can hold up. I think they're

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Speaker 1: looking at this pitching staff and I think our three,

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Speaker 1: Guys can say, yeah, but what about the one and

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Speaker 1: two starters? Right? The tackles are your one and two

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas, Look, we was I mean, I it's too

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Speaker 1: maybe for the long haul, he won't be the best player,

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Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones. You know, Daniel Jones is a guy

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Speaker 1: you don't talk about that much. You really don't, because

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Speaker 1: he doesn't say anything that makes you want to investigated.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's very flat, and I think we all

429
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Speaker 1: hope that if he has more success, he will come

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Speaker 1: out a little bit of his shell and show us

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Speaker 1: a little bit of personality. I mean, the guy has

432
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Speaker 1: done a lot of losing. You know, the guy has

433
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Speaker 1: done a lot of losing with the Giants. Um. He

434
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: didn't even do a lot of winning with Duke. So

435
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: it's um, you know, you wonder UM. You know, I

436
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions about Daniel you know, I

437
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: mean I have more questions about him right now entering

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Speaker 1: his third year than I did at the end of

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Speaker 1: his rookie year. Okay, And and that's disturbing to me.

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00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: I may be wrong, but that's disturbing to me because

441
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: I saw a trajectory moving up after his rookie year,

442
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty good, and and last year, um,

443
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: it was just kind of meandering. You know. He made

444
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: some good plays, he made some bad places. He's got

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00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: to learn to stay healthy. I think this whole yan

446
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 1: Yang with him running is you know, we all were

447
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: on the practice fields watching him in Berea, Ohio and

448
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: in Foxboro, and you know the plays they're running where

449
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: he kind of holds it and oh man in the game.

450
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: He can get twenty yards on that run. You know

451
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: he's not doing that in practice, and and he can

452
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: do that, but when he does that, he gets hurt often.

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Speaker 1: Um So, I I think you know the offensive line,

454
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know Barkley and and Goladay and Tony

455
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: these are all big issues. But really good quarterbacks make

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Speaker 1: it happen with almost whoever is out there. Now I'm

457
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Speaker 1: gonna asking him to be Tom Brady and do it

458
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: with you know, just a bunch of guys out there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we have all covered a lot of championships,

460
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: super Bowls. We've been the Super Bowls. We've seen good

461
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Speaker 1: teams and we've seen at some point the quarterback does it.

462
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: He just does it and and um, and we know

463
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Speaker 1: who the quarterback is. And a lot of times we've

464
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: got to get our roster and say who did he

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Speaker 1: throw that too? Holy cow, you know, I didn't know

466
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Speaker 1: who he threw it too, but we know who the

467
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Speaker 1: quarterback is. So at some point that has to happen

468
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Speaker 1: with the Giants for them to be a really good team.

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00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Whoever he throws it too is great, but it's gotta

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Speaker 1: be Daniel Jones making that big play. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the jury is very much still out of that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think right now, right Art isn't Daniel,

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Speaker 1: And I think this is the case for most second

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Speaker 1: or third year quarterbacks, by the way. I think Daniel

475
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways is a product of his surroundings, right,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the line in front of him, the wide

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Speaker 1: receivers around them. To Tom's point to those decisions, and

478
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Speaker 1: Daniel said as many times himself, he can't make those

479
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Speaker 1: those type of poor decisions and turn it over. But

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Speaker 1: I think, or at least right now, and Paul is right,

481
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Speaker 1: at some point, you don't want you want the quarterback

482
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Speaker 1: to be the tractor and not the trailer, right. You

483
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: want him pulling everybody along, not being pulled by everybody.

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Speaker 1: But for most young quarterbacks that's not the case. So

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Speaker 1: do you think that's fair to say right now he's

486
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Speaker 1: the product of his surroundings. And how close is he

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Speaker 1: to being the one that molds his surroundings rather than

488
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Speaker 1: the guy that's molded by them? Yeah, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's definitely a good point by both of you,

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Speaker 1: And I like the tractor trailer, you know reference, I mean,

491
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Speaker 1: but the bottom line is. Here's what I think about

492
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: this coaching staff and really this organization as a whole,

493
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: is that they made the statement in the off season

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Speaker 1: about getting him playmakers, and they went out and they

495
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: got him playmakers. They got him guys in this offense.

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Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, five ten years down the line,

497
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Speaker 1: or even private moments, if you can get Joe Judge

498
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Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett and Jerry Schaplinsky and get him off

499
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Speaker 1: to the side and say, do you like Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: so much because you've seen firsthand how his teammates have

501
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: let him down? You know, because I think you look

502
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: back to last year the game at Philly, right, everything

503
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: is all about his fall and he becomes a meme

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Speaker 1: across the league. If Evan Ingram catches that pass, Daniel

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00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: Jones is a hero. He wins in Philly for the

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Speaker 1: first time since what is it two thousand thirteen, I

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Speaker 1: think is when the Giants last one down in Philly.

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Speaker 1: You know. So there were a lot of plays last

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Speaker 1: year where Daniel Jones did the right thing and was

510
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: let down his teammates. Now that comes off as excuses

511
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: because you're the quarterback. You're supposed to rise above that

512
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: you're supposed to make those plays. You're not supposed to

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00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: make the bone headed plays that you look at and

514
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: you say, why did you throw that ball against Pittsburgh

515
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: when you knew you were just lived to play another day.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta imagine to me, I wonder if if

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Speaker 1: part of the confidence that they have in Daniel Jones

518
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Speaker 1: is the fact that they can look at the game plan,

519
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: they can look at the play, the schematic and say,

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00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: you know what, Daniel Jones did the right thing on

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00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: this play that we wanted him to do, and he

522
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: was let down by his teammates, whether it was a receiver,

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Speaker 1: whether it was a back that didn't pick up an

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Speaker 1: oncoming rusher. Um So, I think it's a dangerous part.

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00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: He can and flame out and never be in that

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Speaker 1: situation where you're looking at, well, Daniel Jones rose above it.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that there are reasons as to

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Speaker 1: why he hasn't succeeded. And if you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: quarterback to rise above it, he might not be ready

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Speaker 1: to do that. And I think that could cost him

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Speaker 1: in the end if he doesn't get the supporting cast

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Speaker 1: to kind of lift him up a little bit. This year,

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Speaker 1: and when he makes that great play like the bullet

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Speaker 1: that he threw at the sticks on third and thirteen

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Speaker 1: against the Patriots on Sunday night, and then his receiver

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00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: drops the ball. So imagine if that catches made and

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00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: they go down and they punch it into the end zone. Now,

538
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, what are we talking about? Daniel Jones? So?

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00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of chicken and egg, but

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00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I do think that there are a lot of places

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Speaker 1: where his teammates have left them down. Is it a

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00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: talent issue, is it a coaching issue? Is it just

543
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: a performance issue? I'm not sure. But the fact that

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Speaker 1: we're still as asking those questions I think is definitely

545
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: a little bit disconcerted. So before we move on from

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00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: Daniel and Tonald, we'll be back with us in a second.

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Speaker 1: There is um Let me ask you guys this question

548
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: before we move on from Daniel. What are you watching

549
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: for this year? Are we simply not down to production?

550
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Show me, show me the touchdowns, show me the fewer interceptions.

551
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: Is that what we're down to here? Is it really

552
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: that simple? When you're trying to figure out, you know,

553
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: whether he's the guy to invest in long term or

554
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: Is there something deeper, There's something more subtle that you

555
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: guys are keeping an eye on with Jones as to

556
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: whether or not. You know, they don't have to make

557
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: the decision next offseason, but you'd like to be able

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00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: to whether or not he's the guy, Tom or Paul.

559
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: What do you think? Good? Good? Tom? Good? You go first? No,

560
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: I have a one word answer, Paul wins. He's gotta win.

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00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: He's gotta find a way to find a way to

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00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: stop getting in the way of them losing and let

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00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: those playmakers win for him, exactly right. Win. Um. Look,

564
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: Eli Manning his second year was not a Pro Bowl quarterback,

565
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: but he won. He made more winning plays than losing plays,

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Speaker 1: and they won double digit games. Um. I don't think

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00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is ever gonna be a thirty five touchdown,

568
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: ten interception guy, you know, top four or five rating.

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Speaker 1: Probably not. You know, complete the almost seventy of his

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00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: passes win the game. You can, you can throw an

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00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: interception in the second quarter, you know, as long as

572
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: it's not a crusher. You know, you you can. You

573
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: can hand the ball off in the fourth quarter. You

574
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: can have it dump off at the end of the game.

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Speaker 1: We think The defense is pretty good, right, we haven't

576
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the defense. We think it's pretty good.

577
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: So it's not like he's got to win games. Um,

578
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, thirty seven, thirty four, defense holds up. They

579
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: have some kind of a running game. Offensive line is okay.

580
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has got to find a way to navigate

581
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: them to win, not make a bone head play at

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00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the end. Um, get to take the field goal if

583
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: you need to feel, go win the game, and then

584
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna see if it's enough after that, if win

585
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: the game means nine wins or ten wins, and he's

586
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: got a ceiling. You know, that's you know, Eli Manning

587
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: showed us, you know, nine ten, that was kind of

588
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: his ceiling. Ben Bang, all of a sudden he wins

589
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: the super Bowl and everything changes. So, um, win, just win.

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00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: You know, this team is set up to win out

591
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and I don't mean win thirteen games, but win more

592
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: than they lose and be a real legitimate team. They

593
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: haven't been a legitimate team for too long. Yeah, I

594
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: mean I said it. I mean, you know you don't

595
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: want to put it on just one person, that whole

596
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: QB wins stat. I mean it's sometimes it's gets it

597
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: gets a little outrageous, but they need to feel like

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00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: they're moving in the right direction as an organization. And

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00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: the only way to do that this year is to

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00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: win and contend in the division and contend for a

601
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: wild card. And if they're not doing that well, then

602
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: the they pivot and they look towards the draft. And

603
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: if you pivot and look towards the draft, the number

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00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: one spot you have to look to upgrade this quarterback.

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00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: Uh And so if you're not in contention, you know

606
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: there's the flip side to that, and we've seen it.

607
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: You know, everyone wants to point to what happened with

608
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: Sam Donald and the Jets, and some of that is

609
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: fair and some of that isn't. But the way the

610
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: league is structured, when you get through three years of

611
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: a rookie contract for a quarterback, you need to be

612
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: be right. Either he's your guy or he's not your guy.

613
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: You're not forced to do it, but if you're gonna

614
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: have the kind of picks that the Giants will have

615
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: next year if they struggle, and I just think that

616
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: what Daniel Jones needs to do is make sure that

617
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: the Giants are not questioning it when their scouts are

618
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: going out on bowl season to look at different players

619
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Speaker 1: for the draft, make sure they're not looking at the quarterbacks,

620
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: because if they're looking at the quarterbacks, that means that

621
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: you did not do enough this year for them, not

622
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: for us. It's for them, and for what they went

623
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: to say publicly. I think pretty much every front office

624
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL knows when it's time. Uh, And I

625
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: think these guys would know when it's time if Daniel

626
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: can't again rise above and lift this team two wins

627
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: and have them in contention Alright, final question, final question

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00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: on the offense. Guys, I'm sorry, Tom, go ahead, you

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00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: got something else for me now. I was just gonna say,

630
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of this season, you're gonna

631
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: rank the quarterbacks one to one to thirty two for

632
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: each team. You know, Daniel Jones, he he has I

633
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: think has much chance of being in the top ten

634
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: as he does in the bottom ten. And and that's that.

635
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: That just goes to show how how little we know

636
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: about what he what he's capable of. It'll be fun

637
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: to watch. And the one part of the offense we

638
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned um is the offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and

639
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys get all the same tweets I do.

640
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: It's become a bit of an obsession with giant fans.

641
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: I see one more tweet about fans talking about route

642
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: combinations like they're freaking Kevin Gilbride. I'm good, My head

643
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: is gonna explode, but that that that's what we get.

644
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: And every year that I've done this, you guys have

645
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: done it longer than me. Some of you have, some

646
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: of them shorter, But giant fans and football fans, I

647
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: think in general, for every team or are never happy

648
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: with the play caller. They all think they can just

649
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: change play callers and the whole thing turns around and

650
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: all things different. It's changing. What's your whole take on

651
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: that narrative that that that's kind of out there about

652
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: Garrett For me, last year, I think the way he

653
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: called plays with kind of dick dated by the talent

654
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: that he had the call plays for. And I think now,

655
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: if the offensive line is better, the wide receivers are healthy,

656
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: the weapons are better, if an england of it gets

657
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: back at some point, I think this year will be

658
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: a much better judge of where they are in terms

659
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: of an offensive system and kind of how it fits

660
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. You know, the funny thing

661
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: about Jason Garrett to me is that when he was

662
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: a young quarterbacks coach and became an offensive coordinator, he

663
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: was viewed by some as the innovator. He was the

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Speaker 1: guy who used some pre snap motion. And I know

665
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: people are probably gonna hear this about what are you

666
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: talking about? You know, priest snap motion. Garrett uses none

667
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: of it, But back then, when he was a young coordinator,

668
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: he was right. Now, I think he's a stereotype. I mean,

669
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: he became a caricature in Dallas. I think people see

670
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and like to make fun of him, and

671
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: if he's a very easy target. Because the offense struggled

672
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: last year, I do think there's more opportunity to be

673
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: diverse offensively than it was last year. But I also

674
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: think that you know, look, Joe Judge made no bones.

675
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he he has Freddy Kitchens looking at the

676
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: entire offense. He brought in Russ Callaway, a guy who

677
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: is viewed as one of the young offensive minds. Now,

678
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: he may just be an offensive assistant, but you have

679
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: guys in the building who are looking at this offense

680
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: schematically and seeing what they're doing. Um, you know, they

681
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: have to play to the personnel this year, and that

682
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: is on Jason Garrett. If you cannot find ways to

683
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: get this offense to click with the personnel you have,

684
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: with the investment that they've made, then your time is

685
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: done here. I mean, that's ultimately what's going to happen.

686
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: But I think Jason Garrett is a lot smarter than

687
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: people want to give him credit for. And like I said,

688
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I think some of that is the caricature that we've

689
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: created in the NFL, the the clapping on the sideline

690
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: and you know, the Jerry Jones stuff, and that us.

691
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I think Jason Garrett is a lot smarter than what

692
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: people give him credit for. Um. And I do think

693
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that given the opportunity this year, he will take advantage

694
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: of it, because if he doesn't, he's not gonna be

695
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: here very long. And I don't know if he's gonna

696
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: get another opportunity to be a head coach and offensive

697
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: boarding anywhere else. If they fail first intent against the

698
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Broncos at the twenty five yard line, Giants get the

699
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: ball first play, right, Daniel Jones comes to the line.

700
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I want three receivers. I want one of them to

701
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: go this way, want of them to go this way.

702
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: I want sa Quand to be in the backfield, then

703
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: line up in the slot, then line up what I want.

704
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: I want Daniel Jones to line up behind the guard

705
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: and then fade back and move behind the center all

706
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: pre snap. Okay, I want this guy here, this guy, yeah,

707
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: and Andrew Thomas. I want them then to to bring

708
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: it a third tackle. I want him to come in

709
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: say reporting as elsewell that I want him to run out.

710
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I want him to do all that stuff. Okay. I

711
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: want the Broncos to fall down on defense and say

712
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: we give up. I mean, you know what, if they block,

713
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: then it's on. You know, he will, he will. I

714
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: don't think the demise of the Giants is all on

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00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: the the the infertile mind of Jason Garrett. I really don't.

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00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: I really don't. Now, yeah, he has to pick it up, okay,

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00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: but you know a lot of times when they say

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: why are they running you know, six yard curls, six

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: yards you know on on on third and seven, look

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00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: at the personnel out there. Okay, and some of the

721
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: personnel they had last year, he could barely run five yards,

722
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: I think, so six was already an extension for them.

723
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: So if he can't figure out what to do with

724
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: a healthy Goladay, a healthy Quan, a healthy um Darius,

725
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: Tony shepherd ingram Darius Lay and if he can't figure

726
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: out to do with those guys, and it's on him,

727
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: by the way, Tom, very very quickly before you go

728
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Speaker 1: just a point, he will put I have a nice

729
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: chance to mention this, not under their podcast, but you know,

730
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: you guys saw that screenshot of the Patriot game that

731
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: was going around where it was this is the poll

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00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: I think player you're mentioning, right, It's the third and

733
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: five and they up the screen and everyone's at six yards.

734
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: If you actually watched the coach's tape of the play,

735
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: the receiver on the bottom is running a slam and go,

736
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: but he gets held up by the cornerback, so it

737
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: looks like he's stopping, but he just got held up

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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: by the cornerback and the running backs running a shallow

739
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: a cross. So they get these things get put around,

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00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: and they end up not even really being accurate as

741
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: to what happened, which is kind of part of the

742
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: thing that that that drives me nuts a little bit. Anyway.

743
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: That was my little rant. Tom, go ahead, Sorry, Well listen,

744
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: those those guys said it's it's about players, not plays.

745
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, I think you look at at who they

746
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: had last year. They had bland players, and it was

747
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: a bland offense. This year you have dynamic players, then

748
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: it has the potential to be a dynamic offense. Uh.

749
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Speaker 1: You know, Sterling Shepherd, I think being back in his

750
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: natural position in the slot is really going to change

751
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: his production. Uh you know, I think I think if

752
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: you have the offense has to be an orchestra, and

753
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: and these guys, if these guys can play off of

754
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: each other, and and Gala Day opens up things that

755
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: for Ngram under Nithan and Tony opens up things in

756
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: the backfield that Sa Kuan can do. And they all

757
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: play off of each other, and they and they all

758
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: they all do better than then it's gonna be it's

759
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: gonna be a symphony. If it's not, it's gonna it's

760
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a cacophony of of uh you know, awful

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00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: football cacophony. That that's a second scrabble point for Tom today.

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: I like it all right. Here we go on September

763
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: twenty six, watch the Giants retire Eli Manning's jersey and style.

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Speaker 1: Giant Sweet rep right now by calling eight nyg selec

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Speaker 1: option four guys. We haven't talked about the Giants defense yet,

768
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: so why don't we go there. Let's start up front.

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00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: I was maybe taken aback is a little bit strong,

770
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: but the gushing that Patrick Graham was doing about Lorenzo Carter,

771
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: do you think the Giants might have found the edge

772
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: rusher that they've been looking for since the Jason Pierre

773
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: Paul Trey. Do you think that's just coaches being very

774
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: excited for a guy making quick progress off of a

775
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: very serious injury. What do you think? How do you

776
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: think that's gonna look like up front? Trying to find

777
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: that pass rush and Ken Carter be the guy in

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00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: his fourth year? Uh? That that that I think? I

779
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: think that's the latter. That's a coach gushiing. We've seen

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00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter for two years when he was healthy and

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00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: he's he's a good player. Um, you know, if he

782
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: if he erupts with a ten twelve sack year. I'll

783
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: be stunned. Um, but I'm I also think he's an

784
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: NFL player and he could be a starting player, you know,

785
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: I mean coming off a rough injury. And I would

786
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: say for myself, that's one of the more under reported

787
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: stories is that Lorenzo Carter coming off a major Achilles injury. Um,

788
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: I didn't write about him much, which means he was

789
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: not Oh, Lorenzo Carter was in the group on the side.

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00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter is out. You know, Lorenzo Carter kind of

791
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: endured through a summer very impressively, you know, gradually and

792
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: then building up, and he is certainly reaching a nice

793
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: peaky of starting the season. But um, you know, I

794
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: think it's a real leap of faith to say Lorenzo

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00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Carter is our next great you know JPP edge rusher.

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00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: But um, you know I've been wrong before. He has talent.

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00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a strong side linebacker than

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00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: he is a great pass rusher at this point. Kind

799
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Speaker 1: of like Carl Banks. Right, I'm not saying he's Carl Banks,

800
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: but that style of player. You know, he's gotten bigger,

801
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: He's filled out long arms. He can, he can set

802
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: the edge, you know, he can stop the run and

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00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: he can get to the passer. But I just don't

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00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna have, you know, so many pass

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00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: rush snaps in him at every game. I don't know,

806
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: We'll see. Maybe Patrick Graham is not just blowing smoke,

807
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: but I think it's very natural. Patrick Graham loves the guy.

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00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: He's we all like Lorenzo Carter. He's the best. He's

809
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: an interesting guy, you know, and um, you know, and

810
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: he sees how hard he works, so he's gushing about him.

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00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: It will be more, it will be better for the Giants.

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00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: And after two or three games they're gushing about I

813
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: don't know which sack guy like better from Lolenzo Lorenzo

814
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: car There were there were so many of them to

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00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: choose from. Tom are where's the pass russ coming from

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter. I think one thing that struck me as

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00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: Paul was saying that in the three of us were

818
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: standing there in Brea talking to Leonard Williams as a

819
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: fight was going on and around the fifty yard line.

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00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: But that's another story. Um and Leonard Williams brought up

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Speaker 1: l Arenzo Carter and said the games that were allowed

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00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: to play, now we know how to play off one another,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that was very interesting. So that brings

824
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Speaker 1: me to the pass rush, and I think what Patrick

825
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: Graham wants to do is find the kind of players

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Speaker 1: that can play off one another up front and create

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00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: disruption that way, and that includes bringing the safeties up,

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Speaker 1: whether it's blitz packages from the corner or the slot.

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Speaker 1: I think the confidence in the secondary and their ability

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00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: to cover will allow them to I don't want to

831
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Speaker 1: say manufactured pass rush, but manufactured pass rush, and I

832
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: think they do have certain players. You know, Shane Ziminez

833
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: is not going to be a star in this league.

834
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident in saying that, But that does I

835
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: mean that he can't be a valuable piece to this defense.

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Speaker 1: He's shown up well this summer, especially the last two

837
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: and a half weeks or so. So I do think

838
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: that the pass rush will be created because of the

839
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: success that they have on the back end of basically

840
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: limiting opponents and neutralizing them because of their coverage ability,

841
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: and I think that is where this defense will start

842
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: to click. Even more so the disguising on the back

843
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: end to the flat out covering on the outside and

844
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: plastering and not allowing guys to run free. I think

845
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: that's an important element to the pass rush overall. I

846
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: really want to see what disease Old Gilari brings to

847
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: this team. You know, I mean he was a he

848
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: was a guy that they thought it was the first

849
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: round talent that they got, that they got in the

850
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: second round. Um. You know, he's had a I think

851
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: a pretty quiet summer. Um, you know, a couple of

852
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: couple of flash plays. You know what, what's he gonna do?

853
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: Is he gonna break that string of bad picks of

854
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: of guys that they think is going to be the

855
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: next great pass rushers? You know, Diggy zooa and uh

856
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: who's who was the knucklehead from Texas A and m come.

857
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: So you know, is he the Is he the guy?

858
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: I mean he's a young kid. He's you know what

859
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: is he He's twenty one years all. He's I think

860
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: he's the first player that they've had was born in

861
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: the year two thousand or or or later. So uh yeah,

862
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, he is he the guy? Is he

863
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: the guy to take on the mantle of of of

864
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: the greats? You know? O C and Tuck and JPP

865
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: and STRAIGHTHN and and sort of you know, filling that

866
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: that missing link in that in that chain that goes

867
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: all the way back probably the LT and and and

868
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: finally figure it out. I don't know. I don't know

869
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: that he is. I don't know that he isn't. I'm

870
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: very curious to see how he functions in in this defense.

871
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: The one thing I do know is that if a

872
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: defensive lineman leads this team in sacks again like Leonard

873
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: bill Hims did last year, I don't think that's a

874
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: healthy situation for this defense. Well, Tom, that's great. I

875
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: was gonna do one quick, rapid fire question before we

876
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: go to the secondary. Who's gonna lead this team in sacks? Anyone?

877
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: I know it's not easy. It's a tough question, you know.

878
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: I'll I don't think it's gonna be um. You know,

879
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna say. Leonard Williams again, you

880
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean, he's the only proven

881
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, he may have he may have eight and

882
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: lead to the team in sacks and and and somebody

883
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: else may have you know, seven and a half and

884
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: seven and six. I mean, look, I'm not you know,

885
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a betting man. I'll go with

886
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: the chalk. Lendon Williams is the only proven pass rusher.

887
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: He certainly looked good this summer. He doesn't look like

888
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't look like all that money is

889
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: weighing him down. The leading sack guy on this team

890
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: is going to have seven and a half, and it's

891
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: going to be Jabrill Peppers. Who going to little Jamal

892
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: Adams on me? Huh, because I think they're gonna We

893
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: saw that a lot this summer, Peppers coming on the

894
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: blitz and every time Peppers lined up and blitz he

895
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: got home. I mean, he obviously didn't deck the quarterback,

896
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: but you know, Jabrill, when he gets home, he's flowing

897
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: his arms and you you knew he was there. So

898
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: I'll go with a little bit of a curveball that

899
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: they use Peppers more in the like you said, the

900
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams at the line of scrimmage because of what

901
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: they have in coverage, and uh, a bunch of guys

902
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: in that six seven, seven and a half range of sacks.

903
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: So I'll go off the reservation a little bit and

904
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: go Peppers. And I just want to say, real quickly,

905
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: we will make a bet on that um off on

906
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: the side art okay, and then I get to pick

907
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: the toppings for the pizza that I will win. Um well,

908
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: let's see if it's me, you and Tom. Let's say

909
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I will pick the toppings on the three pizzas that

910
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: I will win before for that bet. Okay? Is that

911
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: a deal right now? That's fine? Hey, I figure I

912
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: usually go chalk and I don't hit, so I might

913
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: as well go a little bit pizza. Yeah, how about

914
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: your Tom, I'm going to say that Patrick Graham is

915
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: going to be sobbing all year long because Lorenzo Carter

916
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: will lead this team in sec I think it's gonna

917
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: be Carter too, just because I think I don't think

918
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: he's ever leaving the field, to be honest with you,

919
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: I think he's just gonna get so many snaps at

920
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: that outside linebacker spot. We've seen him line up in

921
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: the middle of the defense to a little bit right

922
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: as I kind of stand the pass rusher. So I'm

923
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: with Tom, I think it'll be Carter just because of

924
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: the snaps. All right, let's go to the secondary. Or

925
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: you kind of brought it up, so I'll let you

926
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: start here. That's where I think this whole thing is designed.

927
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: Where it all starts there, right, And I think the

928
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: fact that it worked last year as well as it

929
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: did when you had a combination of Corey Ballantine, Isaac

930
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Yacht um uh jeez, who also might forget I think

931
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: Dreck Harper had to start there, Julian Love. That was

932
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: your combination of outside cornerbacks, and it still worked. I

933
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: think this year you're gonna see a lot more man

934
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: to man in blitzing with a guy like Pepper's tongue

935
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: art for an example, on on third down, and I

936
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: think that's kind of They're almost counting on the secondary

937
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: playing well enough to set the pass rush up, which

938
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: is usually kind of the opposite of how it works. Yeah,

939
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: I think it's obvious that's the way they've done. Ryan

940
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: Lewis is another one that Ryan Lewis, thank you, was

941
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: also out there. Um you know. Look, I think the

942
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: two biggest takeaways I took out of this summer for

943
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 1: the secondary is is number one. I mean, James Bradbury

944
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: is just so consistent and if you know, in big games,

945
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: you just don't even think about him locking down that

946
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: number one guy. I mean he may lose some, but

947
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: as he showed it Allen Robinson last year, that play

948
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: made for the interception. I mean, Bradbury is just so solid.

949
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: But I do think that the most important position is

950
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: the slot corner this year because of what they're gonna

951
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: want to do. They don't want to stick Logan Ryan

952
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: in there. You do. You may want to play Xavia

953
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: McKinney a little bit, but it comes down to Darny

954
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: Holmes and Julian Love to me with Aaron rod Hobinson

955
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: as long as Aaron Robinson is on the publist for

956
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: at least the first six weeks um. If Darnay Holmes

957
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: cannot solve his problems with defensive holding in that situation,

958
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna rely on Julian Love and a

959
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: lot of big scenarios where they'll have four safeties on

960
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: the field at the same time with Love, Peppers McKinney

961
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: and Logan Ryan so as good as I think they

962
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: are on the outside. If a Dorry Jackson is healthy um,

963
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: which I do believe he will be, I just think

964
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: it comes down to that slot spot, and I think

965
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: Julian Love duct tape, as we're told, is his nickname

966
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: now from Joe Judge, and you can infer anything with that. Um.

967
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: I think he's the guy that they're gonna rely on

968
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: to really make a lot of this come together. Almost

969
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: the glue of this defense will be a guy like

970
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: Julian Love. There's a reason why he's spoken up this summer.

971
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: I think he knows that he's on the verge of

972
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: having a big season, or at least a big ask

973
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: for having a big season. So that's how I see

974
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: the secondary coming together a little bit. Tom Art says

975
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: that Dorry Jackson will probably be healthy for the starting season.

976
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: I agree. I I have questions about whether he can

977
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: maintain that. Uh you know, he hasn't really been able

978
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: to do that. And there as as stacked as we

979
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: think that secondary is in the first column on the

980
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: depth chart, on the second column, Sam Beale, Darius Williams.

981
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a lot of guys that you

982
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: you kind of hold your breath on and and and

983
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you tell them about the way.

984
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: For that reason, I was surprised that we didn't see

985
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: anything out of all the claims the Giants made in

986
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: additions post fifty three. I thought they'd be at least

987
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: one defensive back in that group, but there wasn't. Yeah, yeah,

988
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: uh yeah. I mean listen, I think I think Rhodarius

989
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: Williams can make plays. I think he can. He can

990
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: let up a lot of big plays. You know, it's

991
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tight rope with those guys, and

992
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: and if you have to go to that second level

993
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: of the the secondary, it's a it's a dangerous game

994
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: for these giants. You know, they they need those guys

995
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: to stay healthy, They need them to stay on the field.

996
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: And as interchangeable as they are in the in the

997
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: in the secondary, at safety, they really have some pretty

998
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: defined roles. You know. You have you have Logan back there,

999
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: he's the air traffic control guy, and and and making

1000
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: those calls. And and McKinney, who I think we're going

1001
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: to see make the big jump this year in his

1002
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: second year. Obviously he was he was injured a lot

1003
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: last year. You know, he's he's sort of the ball

1004
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: hawk and and the playmaker, the game changer. You got

1005
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Jabrille come, you know, playing in the box a little bit.

1006
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: You know, those those guys are gonna play off each other.

1007
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: But if if one of them goes down. I think

1008
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: it's a house of cards and and and there's there's

1009
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: not a lot of support behind them. You know. I

1010
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: I look at the defense. I obviously it's built, um

1011
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: you know back the front. Um. You know, I think

1012
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: you can make a case of a Dory Jackson is

1013
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: the is the biggest yea or nay on this whole team,

1014
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: because if he if after this season, if after seventeen games,

1015
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: you bring the you know, a four of us together again,

1016
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: and and and you ask us, what do you think

1017
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: of a door Jackson in his first year with the Giants,

1018
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: and if all we're all very positive about it, There's

1019
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: almost no way this defense is not very good. Um,

1020
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, it just isn't They have enough players there?

1021
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know artists saying, well, he's

1022
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: very concerned about the slot corner, which agreed, But I

1023
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: think I will go even further up. I'm more concerned

1024
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: with that second corner. I'm always a little skeptical when

1025
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: you have when you we write about a guy and

1026
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: we say a former first round pick of so and so,

1027
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: so and so who's still young. Okay, why is he

1028
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: a former first round pick who's not on that team,

1029
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: injury production. I mean, there are reasons why. Guy, They're right.

1030
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: They were were always told the free agency there were

1031
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: reasons why everyone is available. Right, There's a reason why

1032
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: Kenny Gallady was available. There's a reason why everyone is available.

1033
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: And some of it's just money, but a lot of

1034
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: his his production, health, just a vibe that they give off. So, um,

1035
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: he's really fast. Um. I think he's been okay this summer.

1036
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Certainly I'm better than okay. You know, the ankle. I

1037
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: don't think he's a major issue. But I just wonder

1038
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: when you have a former first round pick, is he

1039
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: a first round pick? Is he gonna play like that?

1040
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, if he and Bradberry are healthy and the

1041
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson is playing like a really good player. The defense,

1042
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, they have to deal with who's in the slot,

1043
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: but they'll figure that out. Okay, there's enough guys there

1044
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: as long as on the outside. The quarterback gets the

1045
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: ball and says, I don't want to go there. There's Bradbury,

1046
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: And then he looks there and says, but that guy

1047
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: is really fast. If I throw with him, he may

1048
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: take it back at Dorry Jackson. Now you've got big problems. Okay,

1049
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: Now Lorenzo Carters and O'Shane Zimenez are getting sacks because

1050
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: the guy's holding the ball for an extra second. So

1051
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm not putting the Dory Jackson in the

1052
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: He's a really good player. They don't have to worry

1053
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: about him. I'm not putting him in that category just yet.

1054
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's have something fun here, quick rapid fires

1055
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, and we get a couple pretty Um,

1056
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: we're on defense, let's stick there. Who's your defensive m

1057
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: v P for the Giants this year? Tom? Why don't

1058
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: we start with you? Xavier McKinney. Oh, I like it,

1059
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: all right? All right, Well, if I'm picking him to

1060
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: lead the team in sacks, I'd have to go with

1061
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: Jabrol Peppers contract year. You know, I wrote a column

1062
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: a couple of couple months ago the idea that Peppers

1063
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: has to force the Giants to find a way to

1064
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: keep him in this mix because he would easily be

1065
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: the odd man out with the commitment to Logan Ryan

1066
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: and Xavian McKinney at safety. So I go Peppers. I

1067
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: think it's a big year for Jabelle Peppers. There hasn't

1068
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: been much much consistency with him in terms of system.

1069
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: I think he thrives in Patrick Graham system in year two.

1070
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: Paul Well, I would say peppers because he's going to

1071
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: win me pizza after the year. But I'm not gonna

1072
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: say that. That would be very you know, very selfish

1073
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: of me. Um. It's James Bradberry, you know, he's that's

1074
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: why cornerbacks make all the big money. We said, how

1075
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: good of summer he has. He is just you know,

1076
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: he's a little frustrating because he's not one of those

1077
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: cornerbacks who's gonna give us great you know, you know,

1078
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut him down. I'm gonna do this, you know,

1079
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: we blah blah blah blah blah. He's very you know,

1080
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: he's he's that Joe Judge kind of uh, you know,

1081
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: and really a Tom Coughlin kind of cornerback. Just go

1082
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: out and do it, and he really goes out and

1083
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: does it at a very high level. So he's my

1084
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: m v P. And Lennon Williams is the chalk pick. Obviously.

1085
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that would surprise any of us if

1086
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: that was the case, and you know, none of us

1087
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: have mentioned Blake Martinez and you know, you guys, Tom

1088
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: mentioned how can the secondary one of these outside corners

1089
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: gets hurt? You know? Then what Blake Martinez? And look,

1090
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: this hasn't been an issue for him in his career,

1091
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: but if he has to miss a couple of games,

1092
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: I could get Dicey, I could get in America. He

1093
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: has America. He can't get hurt. You know, he has

1094
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: that serum in him. He's got the Pokemon you know power,

1095
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: So he's he he didn't he can't get hurt. He

1096
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: like he can't get hurt. All right, offensive m V

1097
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: p art, Why don't we start with you on this one.

1098
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: You know I've been feeling it all summer. He's back

1099
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: in the number three. I think Sterling Shepherd is is

1100
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: the guy that makes this offense go um, and you're

1101
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: gonna look at me and go, what what are you

1102
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: talking about? But Shepherd is the guy you mentioned, did

1103
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: comments and earlier moving back into the slot. He has

1104
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: been uncoverable this summer against what we've talked about have

1105
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: been good defensive guys that they've put against Shepherd. Um.

1106
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: So I think when Daniel Jones needs to play this year,

1107
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to Sterling Shepherd. Shepherd looks healthy and

1108
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: I understand his history with injury, but I'm going with

1109
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: with old Shep, the longest tenure giant as the offensive

1110
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: m v P. Big year for Shepherd this year, and

1111
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: I do believe that that he's the guy that that

1112
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: makes this offense go. Well, I'm gonna win. Uh, We're

1113
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna have a side bet. I may win Mazzarella sticks

1114
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: from from Mr Stapleton. Now with this, you know, I'm

1115
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: gonna have a whole Schwargus Italian Schmorgas board after the

1116
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: season is over. Um, you know what the m v

1117
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: P has to be twenty six. You know it needs

1118
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: to be sa Kwan Barkley. Okay, it doesn't need to

1119
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: be Collida, it doesn't need to be Shepherd. It doesn't

1120
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: need to be any of the receivers because they can

1121
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: spread the wealth. The giants can't spread the wealth of

1122
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: running back. You know, No, no disrespected to to Booker.

1123
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: Um se Kwan. He's gotta he's gotta be k he's

1124
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: gotta be generational, he's gotta be great. Maybe think will

1125
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: um No, I don't think he'll be great. No, I don't.

1126
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: But but I think he could be a darned good player.

1127
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: You know, I think he can be Kue. So if

1128
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: that's great, then you know I'll take that no back, okay,

1129
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: um right away. No, I don't think he can be

1130
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: great and in week ten, twelve, fourteen, seventeen. Um, yeah,

1131
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's I think we forget or maybe

1132
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: I forget what kind of a superior athletics bestiman he is.

1133
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: And with a tough mind. Um, now that his body

1134
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: is back to being tough again, you know, it's got

1135
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: to be tenderized a little bit. It needs to be kan,

1136
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, it needs to be you know, he's their

1137
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: special guy. And I think if he's their m v

1138
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: P there in for a big, big season, Tom, I

1139
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: think you can make the case just to piggyback on

1140
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: pole a little bit, that Daniel Jones has never played

1141
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: a game with a fully functioning Sae Kwon Barkley. You know,

1142
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: he hurt his ankle and Dania Jones debut, uh you

1143
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: know a couple of years ago. Uh, you know, it

1144
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: was never the same player again that year. Last year

1145
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: for a game and a half, he you know, he

1146
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: was he was. It was terrible, right, so he's never

1147
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: had a chance to play with him, but neither have

1148
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: a lot of these other guys. So my m v

1149
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: P is going to be a guy who's going to

1150
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: not probably be on the field early on, but when

1151
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: he gets back is going to be really dominant because

1152
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: of all the other pieces that have come around. And

1153
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: that's Evan Ingram. I think he he looked really sharp

1154
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: throughout the entire training camp right until he got he

1155
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: hurt his calf, and for him to uh, you know,

1156
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: I think I think if he can, if he can

1157
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: break out and and eliminate the drops, and we talk

1158
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: about it all the time. You know, this is a

1159
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: this is a team that needs to stop losing so

1160
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 1: that it can win. Right, So he's gonna he's gonna

1161
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: eliminate those mistakes. Daniel Jones has to eliminate those mistakes.

1162
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna eliminate those those mistakes. Every Ingram, if you

1163
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: can eliminate those mistakes, is gonna have a really great year.

1164
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: And and you know what, we've just taken it up

1165
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: such a notch. Now this chicken palm on the plate,

1166
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: Now this pen Ala vodka, there is one hell of

1167
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: an anti pasta salad. I mean, I am gonna eat

1168
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: so well with my with my colleagues after the season,

1169
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: after we line up all these bets. Okay, I mean

1170
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: this is on record, right, John, you hit the record button, right,

1171
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: I hit the record button. Yeah. I want to say

1172
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: this though, Paul, you the picture you framed for sake,

1173
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: Won Barkley was the idea that he was going to

1174
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: be this. You just wanted picks for offensive m v P. Right.

1175
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean, so if the giants aren't what we think

1176
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: they are offensively or what they think they are, you

1177
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: could see a guy like Starling Shepard or Evan Ingram

1178
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: be their offensive MVP because the other guys didn't do

1179
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 1: what we expected them to do. So I think that

1180
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: I've already I'm already ordering online, okay for the meals.

1181
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm already ordering okay, So that's you have to discuss

1182
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: it with grow up from now on. Well, you can

1183
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: take a look at this guy and your other screen,

1184
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: and if you're ordering food, you better be careful if

1185
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: you lose the bet, because I didn't get to look

1186
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: this pretty by ordering off of the appetizers. And you

1187
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: know what, you know what, that's fine, that's fine. You

1188
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: know what, We'll have a good meal, the three of us,

1189
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of who's paying for it,

1190
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: that's all. John. If you want to come, since you're

1191
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: the host, you can you can come. You know you

1192
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: can come. But just you know, you can get a

1193
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: slice in some water and you'll be fine. Well, I'm

1194
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 1: gonna give you to get some tira massuit to Paul,

1195
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: because I think the Giants would love it to be

1196
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, right. I mean, think about it. All the

1197
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: really good teams in the league, the teams that have

1198
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: a chance to win a Super Bowl, who's their m

1199
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: v P. It's Tom Brady, It's Patch Maholmes, Lamar Jackson,

1200
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, It's usually the quarterback, right, So I think

1201
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: you would like all of these weapons and players you

1202
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: guys mentioned to be so good that it allows your

1203
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: quarterback to put together an offensive m v P. I'm

1204
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: not saying NFL MVP, but offensive m v P level

1205
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: of seasons. So I think that's what the preference would be.

1206
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: We'll see if he can pull it off. You know,

1207
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, Italian cheesecake is lighter than the other cheesecake,

1208
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: so I think cotta cheesecake is awesome. I love that

1209
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: ricotta cheese. I think you just gave us a gave

1210
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: me a chance now to gets some. I may have

1211
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: to take a little less pasta to the cheesecake that

1212
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: you've just given us a scrape. Thank you, no problem.

1213
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: Taking all the action to the Giants football from your

1214
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: very own private Sweet Giant sweets are a great way

1215
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: to entertain your family and friends while rooting on your Giants.

1216
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: Here I met Life Stadium and speak with the Giant

1217
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: Sweet rep now by calling n Y Alright, guys, if

1218
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: you want to put a number on it, you could

1219
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: feel free if you want to say that for your

1220
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: columns next week. Totally understand. How is this NFC is

1221
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: gonna play out this year? And we're sitting here, gosh,

1222
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: what is it now with the seventeen weeks, But we're

1223
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: sitting here on January after the Giants play the Washington

1224
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: Football team to close out the year. What are we

1225
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: going to be looking at in the NFC East down

1226
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: the line? Tom, why don't you lead us off on

1227
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: this one? Well, you know, I go back to last

1228
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: year and you say the Giants were a six win

1229
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: team that were eliminated on the last quarter of the season,

1230
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: the last quarter of the last game of the of

1231
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: the season. I think they're gonna be a better team

1232
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: this year. I don't. I don't think they're gonna be

1233
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: a six win team, you know. I think I think

1234
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: they got you know, eight, maybe nine wins in them.

1235
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: But I think I think the division is going to

1236
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 1: be better. I think they'll have less of a chance

1237
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: of winning the division, but be a better team. So

1238
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: that's that. That's my pick. How many wins will take

1239
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: to win the division? Time seventeen games? I think I

1240
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: think the twelve and five, you know, twelve and five

1241
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: is gonna win. I think it's been much better division

1242
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: than nice. I think it's gonna be Last year was

1243
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: a historically bad division. I think I think it will

1244
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: be better this year. You think Dallas is is the

1245
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: biggest better Washington? I think Dallas m Washington are both,

1246
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: uh both big threats to them. You know, I don't

1247
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: think much of Philly. I don't think anybody does. But yeah,

1248
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, Dallas and Washington, it's

1249
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna come down to whoever whoever can stay healthy is

1250
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna is gonna do that. And obviously Dallas has the

1251
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: offense and Washington has the defense, So you know it's

1252
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see how that

1253
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: plays out. Chef blay R D. Schwartz, your thoughts, Um,

1254
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think Dak Prescott and and say Kwan

1255
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: Barkley can very much be in the running for comeback

1256
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, right, you know, they like him

1257
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: at the guys coming off injuries. Um, you know, I

1258
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: think maybe who wins that, he'll tell us a lot

1259
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: about who who wins the division, right, Um? Um, I

1260
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: like Dallas, I mean every every year. I like Dallas.

1261
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: First of all, Washington has the kiss at death. Because

1262
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: teams do not repeat in this you know, they just don't. Um,

1263
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean at some point somebody will.

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01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't than a thousand three? Is that the last time?

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Speaker 1: Right the Eagles of any reason? It was twousand four,

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01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: two thousand three, two thousand four. So basically there hasn't

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Speaker 1: been a repeat camp in this division since Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: and Tom Coughland joined the division. A lot of our

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Speaker 1: listeners weren't alive when that last happened, So there you go. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't think twelve. I don't think you'll lead twelve,

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Speaker 1: as Tom says, I think eleven is probably you know

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Speaker 1: where I would go with their The problem, here's the

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01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: problem with the Giants is that we all think Eagles

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01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: are gonna be a bad team. Right. If they're a

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Speaker 1: bad team, you need to sweep them. All of us

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: have scars from sitting in that press box at Lincoln

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: Financial Field with those fans right here turning around and

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: banging on the glass. Right. So until the Giants can

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01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: go to Lincoln Financial Field and win a game, I

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01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: don't think they can do that, And so that that's

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: that's you know, you need to beat a bad team.

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01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: But can they do that? Um? I think I would

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: say right now it's it's Cowboys, Giants, Washington Eagles. Okay, So, um,

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: can the Giants do enough to get a wild card

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01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: with like nine wins? Probably not, But going from six

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01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: to nine is a pretty good jump. And it's also

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: how the nine and eight comes to be. Is it

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: a good nine? Is it a good nine and eight

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01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: with a couple of tough losses and that is a

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01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: tough team, or is it nine and eight? They want

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01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: a couple of games to the end, they really weren't contenders.

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01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the difference are you know, you want

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: to talk quarterbacks, I think it's Dak Prescott coming back

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01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: from the injury. There are questions about Daniel Jones obviously,

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: jail and Hurts and filling Gardner Minshoe maybe. But Washington

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01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: they're going for a repeat with Ryan Fitzpatrick as the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, have we not seen enough of Ryan Fitzpatrick

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01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: in this league to know what he is? You're gonna

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01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: have some games where everybody's talking about what he's wearing

1300
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: after the game and it's fun and it's fits magic

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01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: and everything is out, everything else is great. Fitzpatrick will

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01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: lose them a game this year that is going to

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: cost them a chance at winning the title in the division.

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: And so that being said, I think it's Dallas, like

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01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: Paul said, Dallas Giants Washington probably. I'm looking at maybe

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: ten wins for Dallas nine and eight for the Giants

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Speaker 1: in Washington. However, you want to flip it, and I

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01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: think the Eagles won't be as bad as people think. Um,

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01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of where it's at. The

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Speaker 1: Dallas defense has questions, and in this league, if you

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01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: have a questionable offense, like the Giants have a lot

1312
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: of questions for their offense. If Dallas's defense is as

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01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: bad as it was last year, I think they can

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: play with them. I think that'll be a big difference.

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01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: But in the end, I'll go with who I think

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01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback in the division, and that's Dak Prescott,

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01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: even though they had a losing record when he got

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01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: hurt last year. So it wasn't like Dallas was out

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01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: of the gates four and one and all of a

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01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: sudden that gets hurt um. So this division still ask

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: some questions. I think for the Giants to win, it

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01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: comes back to all the questions that we had about

1323
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: the offense and if they can come together sooner rather

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,479
Speaker 1: than later, I think they'll be there all the way.

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01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: But I'll go Dallas to win the division. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: close with this, you guys in comment if you want.

1327
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: But how about just not starting Owen two. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's really the start, right. Every year since

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01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, except for one, the one year

1330
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: they made the playoffs in twenty sixteen, the Giants have

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01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: started at least Owen two, sometimes worse than that. Washington

1332
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: and Denver are really good defenses, but you've got to

1333
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: figure out a way to win at least one of

1334
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: those games. And to Paul's point, how you get to

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01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: that nine and eight record counts. And I think none

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Speaker 1: of us want to deal with the panic that's gonna

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01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: be in the streets if you're looking at like oh

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: into the start the year. So I think that has

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Speaker 1: to be avoided at pretty much all costs. Gentlemen, a

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Speaker 1: pleasure is always I appreciate being very generous with your

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Speaker 1: time on this Friday morning. Enjoy your weekend and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you back here in the building next week as

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Speaker 1: we get ready for Giants and Broncos. Sounds good, John,

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Speaker 1: Thanks all right. We thank Tom rock Art, stay with

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Speaker 1: the Napaul Shortz for joining us on this roundtable. It's

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Speaker 1: all part of the Giants Hubtle podcast, but you can

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01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,760
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Speaker 1: platforms for our panel, I am John Schmilk. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Thanks for being with us.