1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: We're gonna move the sticks. Buck you broke to my man, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: lance Z. We're holding it down in Knaptown. Talking to 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: all things combine, and on Saturday we got an opportunity 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: to see the pastors and the playmakers kind of do 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: their thing. The pastors, the quarterbacks, wide receivers, and running 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: backs all did their thing on Saturday. It was a 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: great opportunity to kind of like validate and confirm some 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: of the things that we had talked about. First general 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: thought lance Food like but just just thought of what 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: you saw on Saturday from the playmakers. 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: Well, you know, kind of disappointed that the Drake may 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: didn't throw jayde Daniels, Caleb Williams, those three guys. At 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: first there was some talk that that JJ McCarty wasn't 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: gonna throw, but really he was just not gonna run. 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: So he did throw. So that was good getting to 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: see him. I thought one of the things that stood 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: out to me was that I thought JJ McCarthy started 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: a little bumpy but got better as as it went along, 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: kind of self corrected, which is nice to see. I 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: think that was something that stood out from the quarterbacks 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: going to I'll just give you a quick overview going 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: from a running back standpoint. You know, Isaac Gorrindo from 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: Louisville to be that big and run a four to 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: three to three is just rare when you have height, 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: weight speed like that, and there's not a lot of 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: guys can do that. One of them's name is Derrick Henry. 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: And when you can do that, team's pay attention. He 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of reps because he was at 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Wisconsin and was kind of a backup, and he looks 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: like a Wisconsin back transferred to Louisville. So I think 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that's gonna have some It's 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: going to create some serious discussion in the in the 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: meetum rooms between the coaches and the scouts about where 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: his value should be. And then you know, of course 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: it was some very fast times in the forty as 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: we expected. But the two stories to me where Xavier 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: worthies two one obviously, but also Keon Coleman running the 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: four sixes. So we have to figure out what we're 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: gonna do with one hundred and sixty five pound wide 41 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: receiver that can run a four to two to one, 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: because on the broadcast they're talking about first round, first round, 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: and I just man one hundred and sixty five guys 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: in the one hundred and sixty pound sixty five pound 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: guys who don't win contested catches in the first but 46 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: have speed that is that most players in the league 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: can't even relate to, Like, what do you do with that? 48 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: What do you do with Keon Coleman who's got some 49 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: really good tape but ends up running into you know, 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: in the four sixes. I mean, it's there's some there's 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: some discussions to be had, and then you gotta take 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: a d Mitchell kind of a rough field workout, but 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: ran tremendous for his size and the four to three. 54 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: So it was it was an interesting day to see, 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, kind of who would show out in the 56 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: field versus who ran fast. And sometimes you just have 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: guys who ran okay but then showed when they were 58 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: doing football drills that they're the real deal. Like Roman Wilson, 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: you'reran six, you're run four more, which is fast. I 60 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: thought he'd go faster, but then you know, he looked 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: like a good receiver in routes. And then of course 62 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Lad McConkie. I thought him and pearsall were really really 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: Pearsaw tested great too, I mean jumped high. He had 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: a really good workout. 65 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did every out standing workout. Let's talk about 66 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: the general overview with the wide receivers. Nine wide receivers 67 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: timed under four to four seconds. That's the most sense 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: at least two thousand and three. You know the thing 69 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: about this, we talk about it and maybe have a 70 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: little bit of a different take on the wide receivers 71 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: when we talk about like how talented the wide receiver 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: class is. To me, the more talented is the longer 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: you can wait to attack the position. And so when 74 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: we talk about supplying demand, there are more guys now 75 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: than ever that can play. To think about a Lad 76 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: McConkie or Ricky Pearson, you talk about eighty mention maybe 77 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: being a first round pick, but those other guys being 78 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: like guys that you could talk about in the second round. Look, 79 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: unless you're talking about one of the top three, you 80 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: probably can sit back and wake and kind of cast 81 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: your eyes at a different position. So everyone is going 82 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: to talk about maybe six or seven or eight guys 83 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: going first round at wide receiver. I would say why 84 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: if there's so many of them and we feel so 85 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: good about all these guys. I mean, think about we 86 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: mentioned Roman Wilson, Javier Lagette, just think about the wide 87 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: receivers that were out there putting it down. I think 88 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: you can on day two go and get your wide receiver. 89 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: I don't think you necessarily need to go day one. 90 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: To me, that's the thing that I got coming out 91 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: of it. There's so many wide receivers that as much 92 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: as I love the guys at the top and even 93 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: looking at Ron and Dones do his thing, I can't 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: say that there was major difference just athletically and skill 95 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: wise between some of the guys that we project in 96 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: the first round and some of the guys that we 97 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: projecting on day two. 98 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the supply side so high, and with with 99 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: good talent that could become starting talent on day two, 100 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: I think you do have to look at positions, you know, 101 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: where the supply is not as high and maybe jump 102 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: up there and take a shot at the back end 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: of the first on that So I think when you 104 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: when you look at you know, Brian Thomas had a 105 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: great run at four three four, and you had some 106 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: some guys the back end. Of course, Navier Worthy is 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: going to be talked about, Aidan Mitchell is going to 108 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: be talked about. But then when you really take a 109 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: look at it, and you say, okay, if I miss 110 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: out on him, but I can still get Xavier Leget, 111 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: or I can go get Jermaine Burton or Javon Nan 112 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: or McConkie or whoever I want. I'm mentioning Roman Wilson, 113 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of names, Piersong, I mean a bunch of 114 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: good players, a bunch of good players where they're not 115 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: that far apart. And then I know that there's not 116 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: many you know that may push Jatavian Sanders up because 117 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: there's not a ton of tight ends that may push 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: up a defensive tackle. So you know, it really could. 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: The supply and demand could have a big impact on 120 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: the first round. And I do think there will be 121 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: teams who say, why are we going to take wide receiver? 122 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: Now? 123 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: We're going to trade back and go get whoever's left 124 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: out of our clumb because we know they're all about 125 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: the same. 126 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: That's the thing, and that's what's going to be fascinating 127 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: as we continue to watch the process play out, because 128 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: we're going to have so many guys that are loosely 129 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: graded and really close closely graded, that the tags are 130 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: going to be tied. You may see that. You may 131 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: see teams bypassed the quarterback early to go attack a 132 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: position like an edge rushing. Hey, let me go get 133 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: an edge rushing now, because I may not be able 134 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: to get back to it. Maybe go look at one 135 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: of these into your linement at the bottom of the 136 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: first round, because look, there's a divide once we have 137 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: to get down the top two or three, like those 138 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: kinds of things. Making decisions on that kind of stuff 139 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: could impact it because right now the defense position between 140 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: cornerback and wide receiver, we're pretty confident that you can 141 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: get those guys on day two. So as much as 142 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: we talk about mock draft, speculate about those skill players 143 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: going in the first round might be a way for 144 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: the Heavies to get into the bottom of the first 145 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: round because there are so few available. 146 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that for sure. 147 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: Let's talk quickly about the quarterback. So we talked about 148 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. I was in the mindset that this was 149 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: a great opportunity for him. It's a big stage. Drake 150 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: May Jade and Daniels Kayler Williams did not elect the 151 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: throw did not work out, so all eyes were on 152 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy and even though he didn't run, he had 153 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: an opportunity to throw it and throw it on the 154 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: stage where we could see it. And as most people 155 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: have talked about, he was a little up and down. 156 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 2: But I will say this, I had an old school 157 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: scout teach me, hey Man, raid the flashes, raide the 158 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: high points of a player, because if they can do 159 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: it once, they can do it again. I will say 160 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: when he pushed the ball down the field, he was 161 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: throwing the deep post corner and kind of hitting the 162 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: outbreaking routes and like hitting the deep corner but then 163 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: hitting the end breaking routes. To me, it was really 164 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: easy to kind of see him playing well. And we 165 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: kind of loosely came up with this comp on the 166 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: view show where I talked about JJ McCarthy kind of 167 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: being like Alex Smith. I think the more I see him, 168 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: the more he reminds me of Alex Smith when Alex 169 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Smith was with the Kansas City Chiefs and with the 170 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: Washington football team, just in terms of how he plays, 171 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: how he moves around, not sexy but solid. I think 172 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: that's where JJ McCarthy falls into the line. 173 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't have a big arm, but what he 174 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: has is if he throws with timing, it's really pretty 175 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: because he can throw with really good accuracy. He throws 176 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: a nice catchuple pass. You know, it's you really got 177 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: a chance to see the timing on. These quarterbacks have 178 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: to throw kind of that deep out and so it 179 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: takes a certain level of timing to understand when the 180 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: wide receiver. It's a combination of timing and arm talent. Right, 181 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: how much do you make these guys stop and wait 182 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: for you? How far do you push him up against 183 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: the up against the sideline. But it really starts with timing, 184 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: and he's able to self correct his timing. That was 185 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: something I talked about earlier here on the show. JJ 186 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: McCarthy understood, Okay, late there, I want to tighten up 187 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: the time in here, and I'm gonna put a little 188 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: bit more on it. There's sometimes where the ball just 189 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: kind of nose dives on him a little bit on 190 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: those throw So I think he does have to really 191 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: step in and deliver it with some extra gas sometimes, 192 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: But I don't worry about that I mean, that's that's 193 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: something that can be done. I thought bon Nicks. I 194 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: thought bon Knicks was solid through the ball, accurately intermediate 195 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: and deep, but not as much pop on the throw 196 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: as I was expected. And that's why you got to 197 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: get on the ground sometime and watch and watch them 198 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: in person, because when you watch these quarterbacks one after 199 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: the next after the next, it really there pluses and 200 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: minuses from an arm standpoint really stand out. And I 201 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: think he's a guy that is truly going to be 202 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: a system guy where when it's defined for him and 203 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: he knows where he wants to go at the football, 204 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: he's going to be pretty good. But if you get 205 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: him in a system where he's just got to constantly 206 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: make things happen on his own or has to try 207 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: to do too much, I don't know that he has 208 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: as big an arm as I thought he had on tape. 209 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: So that was something I learned yesterday on the field 210 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: is that, Okay, maybe overestimators are just a little bit 211 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: accurate and all that, but not as much zip on 212 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: it as I was anticipating. 213 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little different, a little different I thought. Now. 214 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: I've always thought that he kind of is the off 215 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: speed pitcher in baseball. You know what I'm saying, hes 216 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: gonna paint the corners. He's gonna hit you with the 217 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: slider and the curveball and all the junk. He has 218 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: all this stuff, and he has to play in the 219 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: system that I think is very controlled. And so the 220 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: control type systems I'm talking about are like Kevin O'Connell 221 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 2: will use in Minnesota, what Sean McVay typically uses, and 222 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: with the rams. Not quite Jerry Goff, but maybe kind 223 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: of like a more beefed up version of what Brock 224 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: Purdy was at Iowa State, a better version where he's 225 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: gonna be smart, He's gonna be able to do all 226 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: those other things. Not the biggest arm, but if you 227 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: ask those guys to run a bunch of handbreaking routes 228 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: and take care of the football and manage the game 229 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: efficiently and effectively, he can do all those things. How 230 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: about Spencer Ratler. There's been some buzz after his performance 231 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: on Saturday, some buzz about how he threw it where 232 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: he should be, how talented he is in comparison to 233 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: some of the other guys. Where do you staying on 234 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: Spencer Raller? 235 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: You know, I like Spencer Rattler. I don't love him now. 236 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: I think he's a backup in the league. But that's 237 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, for me and for what we do, Bucky. 238 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: We're trying to put together a fifty three man roster 239 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: and you know, too many people get too hyper focused 240 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: on only starters. But I think what Spencer Ratler did 241 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: is he allowed you to envision him as a guy 242 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: that you can have on your roster that will back 243 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: up and then if things go wrong, how does he 244 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: step in and handle the offense? And you got to remember, 245 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: now he's had gone through adversity. You know, Pennix and 246 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: bow Knicks and Rattler, these are guys who came in 247 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: with a lot of fanfare. Well Penis not as much, 248 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: but they but they've dealt with adversity. They came out 249 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: on the other side. You had great you know, Penis 250 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: and bo Nicks had a great production and ended on 251 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: really high notes. Is five year star for Spencer Ratler 252 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: is just way different. He was this five star he's 253 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: talked about as being the top pick in the draft, 254 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: was really humbled during his time at and you know, 255 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: and lost his starting position, had to go to South Carolina. 256 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: Has not had huge production of numbers, but put together 257 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: a big game against South against Clemson, uh in a 258 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: big moment, and I think that I think being humbled 259 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: has really helped him. You know, we know he was 260 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: a real loose cannon on that Quarterback show on Netflix 261 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: and kind of people thought, man, this is this guy's 262 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: a jerk, he's this, that and the other. I think 263 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: he's really grown up potentially, and that's only for you know, 264 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: teams are going to know that, but with their with 265 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: their work that they do in the interviews. But he 266 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: strikes me as a guy who understands who he is now, 267 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: maybe better than he did a couple of years ago, 268 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: understand some of his limitations, understands the strengths, and I 269 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: think yesterday was a great example of a guy who 270 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: has been through adversity and was really confident on that 271 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: big stage and through like he was, you know, through 272 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: like a guy who not afraid of anything. He's gone 273 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: through some of the rough patches and has a level 274 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: of confidence now that maybe he didn't have in the past. 275 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: I can one believe that I can see that the 276 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: conversation that quarterback is interesting. The most polarizing quarterback prospects, 277 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: I would say it would be Michael Pennett and both 278 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: nick That creates a little opportunity bensurrareity, not necessarily to 279 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: jump up over top of those eyes. But I think 280 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: he's squarely in the conversation as a Day two candidate. 281 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: Probably third round range is what we're looking at. But 282 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: when you think about what he was able to do 283 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: in the Senior Bowl, and then how he performed at 284 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: the Combine, then going back and digging into his past 285 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: and knowing that he had to overcome some adversity going 286 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: to South Carolina after being healed. As I mean, I 287 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: think people need to understand that when Kayla Williams took 288 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: his job, people were talking about Spencer Relevy in the 289 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: number one overall pick and that following draft. So you 290 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: want to give him his props and give him his 291 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: propus in terms of just recognizing and appreciating the talents 292 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: and then just see if it's going to lead to 293 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: something better down the lone. But I definitely can see 294 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: him as a at a third I picked someone that 295 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: comes off square in the middle of the Day two. 296 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's you know, I think he's 297 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: got a chance to do that. And once you once 298 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: you're in camp, you're in camp. You know it's it's 299 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: he's he's not a big guy, but he's played in 300 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: some with some smart offensive coaches, and he's played with 301 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: some talent around him. So he's want to keep an 302 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: eye on. We got the top, you know, six guys 303 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: that we talk about all the time, Williams, Daniels, may Nix, McCarthy, Pennix. 304 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: So it's the next level. Like I think he's on 305 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: a level by himself. I don't think there's another one 306 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: other than Rattler. Like Rattler's in tier two and that's it. 307 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: And so because of that, his value goes up because 308 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: people know that once those once number six goes one 309 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: knicks in Pennix go, Raleys the next one to go, 310 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: you have to wait till next year. So that pushes 311 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: its value up, that increases. That's why confidently say a 312 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: third round looks to be his range. Anybody else because 313 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: we're talking about throwers and catches, anybody else, Yeah, that 314 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: we should talk about. 315 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: Well, I want to mention Joe Milton because it's funny, 316 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, I put it. I had a video out. 317 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people videoing Joe Milton throwing. They're 318 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: just throwing the deep go routes, and I see three 319 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: people videoing next to me, including Pep Hamilton, and I'm like, well, damn, 320 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: if Pep's doing this, I better get my phone out. 321 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: And so I captured something that's already got three million views. 322 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: Pete Schrager picked it up and all these people and 323 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: it's a great shot and it's when he delayed. He delayed, 324 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: waded and then threw it seventy some odd yards on 325 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: a dime. And as the as the guy caught it, 326 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: he brought his little handgun out with bang. And it 327 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: was a cool little moment, you know. And he had 328 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: been thrown with pretty good accuracy for most of his 329 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: throws for a guy who's so scattershot all the time. 330 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: I thought, man, this is a nice little workout. I 331 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: was talking to Greg Cosel, and who really from NFL Films, 332 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: who specialized in quarterback, actually like, yeah, he's he's actually 333 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: throwing the ball with a lot of poise and and 334 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: and accuracy. And I know it's not a See this 335 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: is the thing. It's not a game. The bullets aren't 336 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: flying the haters had to run in on Twitter and 337 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: make sure to put the wet blanket on that on 338 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: that young man's moment. You know, he had a moment. 339 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: So let's let's let's put that, Let's put the fire out, 340 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: make sure we tell everyone how bad he is. But 341 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: what I will say is he has rare he has 342 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: rare arm, he has rare arm talent, he has tremendous size, 343 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: he has tremendous strength. And when you have flashes, and 344 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: it's not just the long throw, he had some flashes yesterday. 345 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff that can get you drafted. 346 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: You may not have been drafted, Teams may not have 347 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: wanted to draft you, and then they see something and 348 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: they go, you know what, let's scratch him in the 349 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: third round, and let's let's take a chance. You know, 350 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: he wasn't on our board before. Let's put him on 351 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: our board. Let's see if we've got something developmental. Let's 352 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: get him into a camp potentially and see what we got. 353 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: We could cut them, put them on a practice squad, 354 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: see if we get another year of development. It's little 355 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: things in the combine like that from Joe Milton, who 356 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: has that kind of those kind of traits that can 357 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: make a big difference on the draft day for his 358 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: opportunity in the league. So I wanted to mention him, 359 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: mention him specifically because the tape's not great and he's 360 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: been heralded left and right, but still when you have flashes, 361 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: flashes get drafted because it's a lottery scratch off ticket 362 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: and you're just hoping that those winning numbers hit. That's 363 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: all it is. You want, you want to get the Bucky, 364 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: the treasure chess to match you hope you get four 365 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: treasure chests. 366 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard something pops. 367 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: Up out of nowhere, and that's it. That's all it is. 368 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: It's funny that you talked about pel Helmerton being down 369 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: there watching him, because I get to remember in the 370 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: previews show, pel Helmerton named Joe Gilden as a guy 371 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: that he wanted to watch, and I was thinking, a 372 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: guy like you, guy Chris Balley, who loves traits. He 373 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: could be an interesting pick on day three when you 374 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 2: think about the developmental prospect that you want to bring 375 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: in that you don't have any plans to play, but 376 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: you just want to work with and see if it 377 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: be a future commodity. Either for your team or as 378 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: a trade ship. Maybe Joe Milton is that guy. He 379 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: certainly has the size to arm talent to do it. Now, 380 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: you just got to figure out that if you can 381 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: teach him how to play. But that arm talent is 382 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: certainly jaw dropping. 383 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: Think about that first guys off the bus. You start 384 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: with Quenton Nelson, then comes to Forest Butner's and esconnects 385 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: guy off. Then here's Anthony Richardson, Joe Milton, and then 386 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: we'll take Jonathan Taylor. You know, we'll come out there 387 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: Quitty pay. 388 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 389 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so you got some freaky guys getting off 390 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: the bus. 391 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: You do that, freaky guys getting off the bus. And 392 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 2: only reason I suggested the Coast take in Joe Milton. 393 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: If you're going to go on a trades guy like 394 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, what's gonna prevent you from going the same 395 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: route with Joe Milton, Like in the quarterback coach is 396 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: doing the same thing. I mean, you know what I mean, 397 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: Like you might as well have two of them in 398 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: particularly with Anthony richards and being banged up as much 399 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: as he was as rookie, It's just interesting to me. 400 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: Let's take a break and on the other side, we'll 401 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: talk about the running You're welcome back Landsy and are 402 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: breaking all things from the combine and the Saturday performers. 403 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 2: But let's move over to the running back position. There 404 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: was a lot of intrigue about the running backs. We 405 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: want to know who's going to run fast and do 406 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: those things. What stood out to you about the running 407 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: back Well. 408 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: I thought Jalen Wright ran really really fast, but there 409 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: were some interesting times. But I thought the field work. 410 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: You know, these guys can catch Bucky. I'll tell you what, 411 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 1: I have never seen a group of corners, safeties, running 412 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: backs that run routes like this, and more importantly, well 413 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: running backs running the routes. But I'm talking about the 414 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: dbs with hands. These running backs really can catch. And 415 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just they work because some 416 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: of them, like Bucky Irving, you know, they don't get 417 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: a whole lot of catches. But I think there are 418 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: oddric Estimate, for example. But there are other guys who 419 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: are used in their offense but maybe not as much. 420 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: And then you watch them out here and it's just 421 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: it's really impressive to see them working out as pass 422 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: catchers out of the backfield. I'll never forget how good 423 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey looked like he just separated himself. You came 424 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: away from the combine knowing, okay, he's a little different, 425 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: and indeed he is a little bit different. A guy 426 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: who I thought had a good day. He ran in 427 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: the four five's. But Blake Korum, he came out and 428 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: like he's he's stick as a brick and he's coming 429 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: out out of the backfield, snapping off his brakes on 430 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: the Texas routes. Everything's real natural in terms of his 431 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: hands and his transition from catch to run. Just just 432 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: a really solid, solid player out of the backfield as well. 433 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: So Blake Korum was impressive to me. I thought that, 434 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, I thought Bucky Irvin and Audric Estimy, two 435 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: guys I mentioned, were a little bit tight hipped. Audric 436 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: looked like he really struggled, as did Frank Gore Junior 437 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: with kind of getting in and out of breaks. Was 438 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: one thing that was a little bit of a concern. 439 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: I thought. 440 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: Trey Benson and Marshawn Lloyd, too, the better running back 441 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: in this particular class, both caught it really really well, 442 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: as did Tyrone Tracy a guy that I'm higher on 443 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: than most who was a former wide receiver term running 444 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: back out of Purdue. He as you would expect, looked 445 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 1: really really natural, So a lot of these guys will 446 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: start focusing on some other ones as well, Bucky, But 447 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: I think the way that they can catch it now 448 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: they're understanding that this is a big part of the game. 449 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: It translates into the work that they're doing getting ready 450 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: for the combine. It's not just about running forties. It 451 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: is truly about being able to look good catching the 452 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: football now, because that's what's ultimately going to make you 453 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: more money. 454 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: Las one of the guys that you mentioned in that 455 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: group when we're talking about guys who kind of impressed 456 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: and field workouts with Stray Benson and Trey Benson as 457 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: someone who came in people not knowing how fast he 458 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: was gonna run, the fact that he put down at 459 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: four to three and then called the ball, the way 460 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: that he caught it. When you go back and look 461 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: at the tape, there are a lot of intriguing attributes 462 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: that he brings to the table as an RB one. 463 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: I think the physicality and the toughness, even though I 464 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: could say he needs to finish his run with a 465 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: little more force. A running back at his size running 466 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: that that fast and catching the ball at the backfield, 467 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: he's gonna be intriguing. And when we're in the time 468 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: that everyone is looking for that value, that bargain basement 469 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: running back that you can find maybe in the second, 470 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: third round, third, fourth round. Trey Benson certainly helped himself 471 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: with his performers as well as some of the other 472 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: guys that you mentioned. 473 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, to me, you run like that 474 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: with his size and like he could be in the 475 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: top of the second you mentioned, second, third, fourth. To me, 476 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: he liked himself in the Day three a Day two. 477 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how he You know, you have a 478 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: running back with that size and that speed. And I 479 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: mentioned yesterday on the broadcast that we had he reminded 480 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: me watching a Chris Carson who was kind of finesse 481 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: and you know, try to be slick with it in 482 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: college and then his the Chris Carson's guys and I 483 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: read about this, the guys in his uh uh in 484 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: his running back room said man, you just need to 485 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: start hammering people. Just just use your size. And he 486 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: did that at Seattle and he was a big factor. 487 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: If Trey Benson can mix, you know, the can can 488 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: mix the ballerina with the hammerhead, then we got something. 489 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: Because you mentioned the finishing runs. It's a you have 490 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: to finish runs in the NFL or they'll take advantage 491 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: of you, like you got to You got to strike 492 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: first and strike fast, or you'll just be a sitting 493 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: duck with guys just laying into you. So Trey Benson's 494 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: a guy that I had to move up my ranking gesture. 495 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: I just got done adding some points to that grading scale, 496 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 1: going from eventual starter into average starter territory because you know, 497 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: he did what he needed to do here. 498 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did do what he needed to do, and 499 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 2: I think watching him kind of performed the way that 500 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: he came away with everything, the way that they were 501 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: able to do it. You like that. I don't know 502 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 2: if you saw the uh maybe somebody on Twitter did this. 503 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 2: They did the overlay with Blake Korn and another running back. 504 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: Running back ran faster, but they were going through the drills. 505 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: They were going through like the bag cut drill or whatever. 506 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: And Blake Horn, who ran into four or five just 507 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: a quick and the explosiveness that he explayed that he 508 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: displayed like going through the drills in terms of just 509 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: how quick he is with the letter cuts. The thing 510 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 2: that has always impressed me the most about him is 511 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: he's freaks in terms of his balanced body control and 512 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: the way that he can hop from one hole all 513 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: the way two holes over to get in and out 514 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: of it. And I know the speed will knock him, 515 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: but in terms of a pure running back, I don't 516 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: know if there are many running backs that are better 517 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: than him from top to bottom. And just in terms 518 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 2: of like how he plays the position. 519 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he gets you know, I mean Michigan, you 520 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: don't always get a shine in Michigan's offense. They're built 521 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: to win games. They're not built to make you look good. 522 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: He does a lot of stuff where he's running duo 523 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: and he's just in there in the mud, just trying to, 524 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: you know, just drag his legs through the mud and 525 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: get you go from a three yard carry to a 526 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: five yard carry. That's how Michigan likes to do it sometimes. 527 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: And so you know, he doesn't always look pretty, But 528 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: then you look up and he's got a billion touchdowns. 529 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: He is effective out of the backfield. He's tough, he's 530 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: smart and most importantly like he's got great football character. 531 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: They love him over there in that building so much 532 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: like Spencer Brown. They were guys like Evan Hall last 533 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: year I remember, but more importantly Spencer Brown. He's kind 534 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: of that thick bodied running back who you know is 535 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: not going to run away from you, but is also 536 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: going to just keep the odometer going. Here's the yards, 537 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: the yards, the receiving yards. If he's a second running back, 538 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: you're not going to lose a lot when he comes 539 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: to the game because he keeps the runs on track. 540 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't try to do more than he can do. 541 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: I like him. He's just one of those guys that 542 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: I think coaches are gonna say, I really like him. 543 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: You may not love him like first or second round, 544 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: but you got a lot of like for him, and 545 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: those guys you like end up being, you know, contributors 546 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: for multiple years in the NFL. 547 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing. But anybody else that we need to 548 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: talk about. Anybody else that's a major surprise, someone that 549 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: we've been sleeping on that we need to continue to 550 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: talk about. A monitor as we go forward. 551 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: Ooh, I would say, you know, he didn't work out, 552 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: We didn't really get a talk about him. Buck, So 553 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: let's bring up Will Shipley. I'm not gonna you know, 554 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about anything. Yeah, I'm not talking about 555 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: anything about you know, Will Shipley from the combine necessarily. 556 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about Will Shipley the player. Because he 557 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: didn't work out at all yesterday. He didn't catch. But 558 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: you and I talked about this off the air. Everyone's 559 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: just kind of sleeping on Will Shipley like he's not 560 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: in this draft. And I'm trying to figure out why. 561 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: Since he can run, since he he's two hundred and 562 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: six pounds, which isn't bad. He's got good speed, he 563 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: can play out of the backfield. To me, he's got 564 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: some James Cook type stuff to him where he can 565 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: be a really effective second back that can do some 566 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: matchup stuff with you. I'm just I'm kind of surprised 567 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: no one's talking about him at all. 568 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 2: It is quiet, like it is funny how he's kind 569 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: of flown under radar. Man and anyone who watched Clemson 570 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: football the last couple of years, Man, he was the 571 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: driving force of that offense. He is terrific with the 572 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: ball in his hands. He can run inside and outside. 573 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: You talked about his ability to get out of space. 574 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: He absolutely has some seat in his game, Christian McCaffrey. 575 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: He can make it. He can make it happen in 576 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: a variety of ways. We just haven't talked about him, 577 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: and I would hate for us to go through the 578 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: whole process and not talk about him. And then he 579 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: pops up in year one and becomes a star in 580 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: an offense, in the in the right role. He has 581 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: a big time game, and hopefully running back coaches are 582 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: paying close attention to his game because the guy is talented. 583 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: He's really, really talented. 584 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just have to see him in his pro 585 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: day because it was already quiet, and you don't work 586 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: out the combine, you stay slept on. So we'll just 587 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: wait until the pro day and see how it looks. 588 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna have a good pro day, 589 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: and I think people will wake up a little bit 590 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: and start talking about him again. 591 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully they'll start talking about he's a good player. 592 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: That's all I got, Bucky. It's time. We gotta we 593 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: gotta get the last day. 594 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta gotta gotta get the last day. In 595 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: gotta gotta budet up. Got to think goodbye to all 596 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: our homies. So you guys make sure you tune in. 597 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: H We got the next podcast coming up in the 598 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: middle of the week Tuesday and Wednesday. We'll do a recap. 599 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: We're talking about all the offense and then we'll wrap 600 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: it up with all the defense and get you what 601 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: you need. Keep it locked, don't move the stick. We'll 602 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 2: see next up. 603 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: H h h. 604 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: H h m hm