WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Morganna the Kissing Bandit

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, sitting in for day.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is short stuff kind of sports related, but

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<v Speaker 1>real pop culture to tell you the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if you grew up in the seventies and

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<v Speaker 2>eighties and you were a sports fan, in particular a

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<v Speaker 2>baseball fan of Major League Baseball here in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>then no doubt at some point you either saw in

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<v Speaker 2>the news or saw live during a game a woman

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<v Speaker 2>run out onto the baseball field and chatted up for

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<v Speaker 2>a moment with a professional baseball player and then kissed

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<v Speaker 2>them on the cheek and then run back to the

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<v Speaker 2>stands waving, at least for a while until she started

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<v Speaker 2>getting arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>For doing this. And that was MORGANA the Kissing Bandit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Apparently. She was born Nancy Lee Rose in Louisville, Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>She started lying about her age at a very young age,

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll see, because she had a very difficult, really

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<v Speaker 1>rough adolescence. But she became so famous for this during

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and eighties that at one point Pete Rose

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<v Speaker 1>said that he considered her bigger than any one baseball

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<v Speaker 1>player in the whole game, like she was really really

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<v Speaker 1>famous for. She was on Letterman, she was on Carson,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was an exotic dancer by trade, by profession.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw Chuck that her act. I saw it

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<v Speaker 1>described as part nudity, part comedy, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>tough to pull off, if you ask me. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things in addition to running onto baseball fields

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<v Speaker 1>that she was known for that was very attention getting

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<v Speaker 1>was her bust. She was extraordinarily buxom. Apparently she had

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<v Speaker 1>a sixty inch bust that required an I cup And

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<v Speaker 1>so that combined with running onto the field that sporting

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<v Speaker 1>events and kissing players, it really captured the attention of

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<v Speaker 1>the American public.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, that's not the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>we've usually highlighted when we're talking about women on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can't ignore that with morgana the Kissing bandit

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<v Speaker 2>most notably because it comes up later in a potential

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<v Speaker 2>defense in court, which if you're wondering how in the

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<v Speaker 2>world does that work, then you'll find out an act too.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the fact that we mentioned it just

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<v Speaker 1>goes to show how much you can't ignore it.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was introduced to baseball by her grandfather, who

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<v Speaker 2>raised her. You said she had a rough childhood, which

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<v Speaker 2>very sadly she did. She was a runaway at age thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>She was on house for a while. Eventually she became

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<v Speaker 2>an exotic dancer as a teenager. In nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>at Crossley Field during a Cincinnata Reds game when she

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<v Speaker 2>was seventeen, she was with a couple of friends sitting

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<v Speaker 2>near the field level and you know, the baseball players

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<v Speaker 2>were checking these girls out because it was nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what you did when you were a baseball player.

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<v Speaker 2>You get a little bored and outfield and look to

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<v Speaker 2>the stands at teenage curls, I guess, And everyone was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of, you know, the players were sort of paying

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<v Speaker 2>them some attention, except for Pete Rose, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>what gives with this guy? And her friend said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you, I'll give you five bucks if you

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<v Speaker 2>run out on the field and you know, confront him,

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<v Speaker 2>which she did. Pete Rose played outfield at the time

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<v Speaker 2>before his move to the infield.

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<v Speaker 3>She ran out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I didn't know that which part, the outfield part?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an outfielder at first, but okay, he played everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think shortstop and catcher and pitcher. Yeah. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Rose had a brief chat with her. He was

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<v Speaker 2>endorsing ballpark Frank's hot dogs at the time, and she said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I buy those hot dogs. Gave him a kiss on

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<v Speaker 2>the cheek. He said, you're nuts. You're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble, but she didn't at the time. She went

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<v Speaker 2>back to her seat and security didn't come by, and

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<v Speaker 2>she watched the rest of the game with her friends

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<v Speaker 2>and a sports writer in Cincinnati the next day dubbed

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<v Speaker 2>her the kissing Bandit yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>A great example of her sense of humor. She said

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<v Speaker 1>later that her career started with the bet from her friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pete Rose's career ended with the bet because got caught.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of bets.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I say we take a break and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk a little more about MORGANA and

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<v Speaker 1>her prolific career.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>As watched, why s K.

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<v Speaker 3>Tough?

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<v Speaker 2>You should know, all right, So MORGANA is kissing athletes

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>She's getting more and more fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that, you know she did this with most

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<v Speaker 2>of the sports, but baseball was her number one love.

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<v Speaker 2>But she would show up at a NASCAR race, she'd

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<v Speaker 2>kiss an NBA player, she'd go to an NFL game,

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<v Speaker 2>She'd went to NHL games. She I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>she kissed a horse or a jockey, but she did

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<v Speaker 2>this at a horse race once.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently George Brett.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of got back at her in a playful way

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<v Speaker 2>when he showed up at the club where she was

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<v Speaker 2>dancing and jumped up on stage and kissed her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he got it twice, I think, right, I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he might have been one of the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones that she got twice, which is why he got

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<v Speaker 1>her back. And like I said, she was prolific, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think between nineteen sixty nine and ninety nine. Pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure this was Sports Illustrated who came up with this

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<v Speaker 1>stat She kissed the over fifty athletes, not to mention managers, umpires,

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<v Speaker 1>and mascots, including the San Diego chicken who just keeps

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<v Speaker 1>popping up again and again and stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>episodes lately weirdly, and I think this one was from

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<v Speaker 1>our friends at Grunge. They said that her presence often

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<v Speaker 1>doubled the number of fans in the stands. Like she

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<v Speaker 1>was really well known, and she would announce where she

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<v Speaker 1>was going, what game she was going to attend, and

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<v Speaker 1>people would just show up because you wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing in addition to a game. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was, from what I can tell, correct me if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, there was a love hate relationship with her

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<v Speaker 1>because she would disrupt games. Yeah, but at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time she would fill, you know, double the attendance at

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<v Speaker 1>a stadium when she said that she was going to

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<v Speaker 1>a game.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, it was this weird cultural moment in

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<v Speaker 2>time where someone got really famous for doing something just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of unusual and something that a lot of people did.

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<v Speaker 2>Like these days, when you see somebody run down on

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<v Speaker 2>a field, especially since the stabbing of Monica Selis on

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<v Speaker 2>the two to score years ago, Oh yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>all sort of scary stuff and you never know what

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<v Speaker 2>someone's gonna do. You know, when Hank Aaron hit his

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<v Speaker 2>home run, the guys ran down on the field and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're patting him on the back. But that

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of the first like, oh boy, what's happening here,

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<v Speaker 2>Like these white guys are rushing, you know, the black

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<v Speaker 2>man who broke the white guy's record.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that what changed things? That particular incident.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was what first started. I mean, Morgana came

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<v Speaker 2>after this, so it clearly didn't change that much. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Monica Selis is what really really changed it,

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<v Speaker 2>because that was an actual act of violence.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone else had good intentions.

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<v Speaker 2>But these days, when somebody rushes the field, it's usually

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<v Speaker 2>a protester and they usually get tackled in a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>violent manner, and they won't show it on TV. Immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>all cameras are are directed to not show any of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, so no one's incentivized to actually do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But not back then, man, everyone like.

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<v Speaker 1>She was good for baseball, you know she She did

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<v Speaker 1>have a few encounters with security that ended up pretty

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<v Speaker 1>There was one, I think the nineteen seventy All Star

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<v Speaker 1>Game in Cincinnati. The Reds management put a bounty on

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<v Speaker 1>her one hundred bucks to whoever could catch her because

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<v Speaker 1>she I guess it announced that she was coming and

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<v Speaker 1>they did catch her, and I guess they got her

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground and started the security started kicking her

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<v Speaker 1>in the ribs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Broke three of her ribs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, I said, that's ridiculous because it's

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<v Speaker 2>different these days, and it is a genuine security risk

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<v Speaker 2>because you never know what someone's gonna do because the

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<v Speaker 2>world is crazy now. But back then, like everyone knew

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<v Speaker 2>who MORGANA was. Everyone knew she was gonna run out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It would take less than a minute. She would kiss

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<v Speaker 2>the player on the cheek, not even on the lips,

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<v Speaker 2>because she didn't like the chewing tobacco in baseball. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's absolutely no reason to throw this woman on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground and kick her for sort of a minor disruption.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a different time.

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<v Speaker 2>So if people are like, oh, I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do something like that, Like, it's just different

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<v Speaker 2>these days. Everyone knew her and knew she meant no

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<v Speaker 2>ill will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But despite that, I mean, she not just three

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<v Speaker 1>broken ribs. She also suffered a broken kneecap once, she

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<v Speaker 1>suffered a broken tailbone, all at the hands of security.

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<v Speaker 1>But she just apparently shrugged it all off, because I

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<v Speaker 1>read an interview with her from not too long ago

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<v Speaker 1>where she chalked it up to renne cops getting carried

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<v Speaker 1>getting a little carried away. So I think she just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of took this as like, you know, it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of goes along with it. It's gonna happen from time

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<v Speaker 1>to time. And she did get arrested quite a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, usually without incident. There was one one

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<v Speaker 1>incident in particular, when she rushed the field at an

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<v Speaker 1>Astro's game to kiss Nolan Ryan on the mound. He

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<v Speaker 1>was on the pitcher's mount and she was kissing him

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<v Speaker 1>on the cheek, and she was arrested and she had

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<v Speaker 1>to hire an attorney because she was called to defend

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<v Speaker 1>herself in court. Even though she didn't actually have to

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<v Speaker 1>go through with it, it got far enough that she

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<v Speaker 1>hired this one party killer attorney.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy, his name was Richard Haynes. They call him

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<v Speaker 2>the racehorse, and he was, you know, one of those

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<v Speaker 2>sort of show bodie would take wealthy clients accused of

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<v Speaker 2>everything from murder to you know, embezzling and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently one time in court he zapped himself with

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<v Speaker 2>the cattle prode to prove that it wasn't the lethal weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>So he was that kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And this is where we mentioned that he used

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<v Speaker 2>her bust size as part of the defense because he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to use the gravity defense he called it,

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<v Speaker 2>wherein he would argue that she would just lean over

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<v Speaker 2>the railings as a sports fan, and that her the

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<v Speaker 2>weight of her bust would drag her over the rail

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<v Speaker 2>onto the field. And I guess the court was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh boy, let's just drop the charges so we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to go through that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think the Houston Sports Association got involved there,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is not a good look for Houston guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just drop this. So they did, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the one time where she had to go to court,

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<v Speaker 1>was called to court. But that just became part of

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<v Speaker 1>her legend too, the gravity defense. It's like, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>read an article about morgana the kissing bandit and the

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<v Speaker 1>gravity defense not get mentioned. It's just part of her legend.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the other things I saw about her

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<v Speaker 1>that I wanted to mention Chuck was she was apparently

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<v Speaker 1>like very crafty. I saw it put that. There was

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<v Speaker 1>one time, in particular, I think in nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 1>she said publicly that she was going to kiss Don

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<v Speaker 1>Mattingly of the Yankees. She's going to go to New

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<v Speaker 1>York for a game, and so everybody was on high

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<v Speaker 1>alert in New York, and while they were doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>she flew to I guess Seattle to kiss the Mari

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<v Speaker 1>nurse catcher, Steve Yeager. So she would use a little

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<v Speaker 1>deflection and sleight of hand. She wasn't above that, which also,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this lady was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Scottie Pippen of the Bulls was the last player to

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<v Speaker 2>get that kiss, and that was in the early nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she was in the movie Kingpin and I

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<v Speaker 2>was in a cameo in ninety six. Retired officially in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand, even though Scottie Pippen was years before that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think we mentioned she made millions of

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<v Speaker 2>bucks off this PERSONA. Yeah, but eventually, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>all entertainers, even kind of oddball pseudo entertainers, has to

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<v Speaker 2>leave eventually and really went underground. And it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>find a lot of recent information about her, even though

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<v Speaker 2>we think she is still alive, probably in her late seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>but who knows, because she's never been very truthful about

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<v Speaker 2>her age.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else, I got nothing else? Great, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's to MORGANA the Kissing Bandit one of the more

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