1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and January sixth, rider Pamela Hemphill says 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: she will refuse Trump's pardon. We have such a great 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: show for you today, MSNBC contributor to Charlie Sikes pars 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: is the shock and awe as we talk about Trump's 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: first day back in office. Then we will talk to 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood President Alexis macgil Johnson about how they are 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: going to go forward and try to protect women's reproductive rights. 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: But first the news. 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: So Mollie, it's the first day of the Trump administration 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: is now just about twenty four hours old. As we 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: go to tape this, I think the biggest concern of 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: the shock at aw is as attack of the fourteenth Amendment. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: What are you seeing here? 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Here we are It's been a day of Trumps. He's 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: basically decided he wants to a sharply to the Constitution 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: and he wants to start with the fourteenth Amendment. I 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: think it's important to realize the fourteenth Amendment. These are 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: the amendments that came after the Civil War. Right, these 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: are the amendments that were the kind of rebuilding America 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: post slavery. These are the amendments that promised because remember, 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: when children of African slaves were born in this country, 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: they were not necessarily citizens. This was the way to 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: undo that. And I don't think that you can look 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: at trump Ism and as a vacuum. You have to 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: look at this sort of historical president and remember, this 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: is a larger movement to sort of undo the advances 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: of FDR in the twentieth century, and that is what 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: this is. So Trump's attack on birthright citizenship is not 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: just about having less citizens. It's about a certain kind 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: of homage to the past, a certain kind of undoing 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: of so much progress. And I think it's worth realizing 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: that one of the other things about this executive order, 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: which by the way, is totally not constitutional, it's a 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: complete shot in the dark. It's like, you know, it's 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: like the presidential immunity, you know, the idea that the 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: president should be a monarch and not be responsible, broadly 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: immune from prosecution for anything forever and ever, which was, 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: by the way, a theory that a legal theory that 41 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: Trump's lawyers brought to the Supreme Court, and one with 42 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: which is why I bring this up. Look, Trump has 43 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: capture of the Supreme Court. We know that, right, He's 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: installed three justices. He has two who are absolute Trumpers 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: to the core. You know, two who are basically Tucker 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: Carls and fanboys. That's Thomas and Alidos. So for sure, 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: this is in a normal presidency. In a normal America, 48 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: this would not even get a minute because it's so 49 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: uncom constitutional. But remember we are now living in Project 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. We are now living in the rous 51 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: Vought extra constitutional world. We are post textualsts, and so 52 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: you could see a world where these people are able 53 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: to overturn the fourteenth Amendment. I want to point out 54 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: one last thing about this executive order. It actually says 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: that if you come to this country illegally, your child 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: born here would not be a citizen. But it also 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: says if you come to this country on an H 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: one B visa you come to work, your child will 59 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: not be a legal citizen either. These are like this 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: is the beginning of making America a country more like France, 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: or making America a country that is no longer a 62 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: country of immigrants. Now, as someone whose great grandparents came 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: to this country in the eighteen hundreds. It is, in 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: my mind, just mind blowing that we've gotten to this 65 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: moment and it is such a paradigm shift. It is 66 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: so profoundly wrong on every level. And the truth is, 67 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: the skin various part of it is that he may 68 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: actually be able to take a sharp bat of the Constitution. 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: We don't know, so that will be the big open 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: question of the next couple months. 71 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am not looking forward to seeing what the 72 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: Supreme Court says when they finally get that in their laps. 73 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: But hopefully they Democrats are smart enough to do enough 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: fuckery of the courts to delay that for as long 75 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: as possible. 76 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure the Supreme Court wants. They may rule 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: what he wants, but they may not want to take this. 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: They may want to slow their role as slowly as 79 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: possible because this will be a very unpopular decision. And 80 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: they have already done a bunch of really unpopular decisions. 81 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: And you'll remember that some of the people, even the 82 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: most zalidous and I'm thinking of like Justice Roberts who 83 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: wrote these Citizens United Agreement, who you know, the Citizens 84 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: United decision, which is what actually got us here right, 85 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: which was you know how there are billionaire oligarchs funding 86 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: our elections. Now that guy knows that this be an 87 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: epic should show for him, So I think stay tuned 88 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: on this. There's something else I want to talk about, 89 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: which is something that we did a lot of time 90 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: with when we were talking about Project tween twenty five, 91 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: and it's something that we were prepared for. But every 92 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: time I'm optimistic, that's when I get into trouble. The 93 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight. If you listen 94 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: to this podcast, you know what it is because we 95 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: talk about it all the time. It's a wartime authority. 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: It's been used three times. We're of eighteen twelve against 97 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: the British, World War One, against the Germans, World War two, 98 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: against all of the countries that you know, the Germans, 99 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: the Japanese, et cetera. For internment camps. As we heard 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: Michael Walden from the Brennan Center tell us this week, 101 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: it is very faulty kind of reasoning that may not 102 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: work for Trump, but this is the legal framework Trump 103 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: is trying to use, and that is why he declared 104 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: an emergency at the southern border to be at war 105 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: with the cartels. So the question is, can he create 106 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: a legal scenario where it seems as if we are 107 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: at war despite the fact that we are not at war, 108 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: and can he do that in order to then be 109 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: able to designate different groups alien enemies. And by the way, 110 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: when you go down the road of alien enemies, you 111 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: end up with alien enemies like people from Mexico, like 112 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: journalists who don't write stuff you like. I mean, there's 113 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: a lot of really sketchy ways to skin this cat 114 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: and stay tuned. 115 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the other thing I think we should get 116 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: into is that Trump did all these pardons for the 117 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 2: January sixth rioters. Everyone from the QAnon shaman who clearly 118 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: did some bad things there to Enrique A. Tario who 119 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: is serving twenty two years for seditious conspiracy are all 120 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: either commuted or part of now. 121 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: Ronald Trump, besides doing a boatload of executive orders, he 122 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: pardoned all of the January six riders. He did this 123 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: because he said he would. It was a campaign promise, 124 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: but all the Republican senators said he wouldn't. Even like 125 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: people like JD. Vance said, well, you know, and even 126 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: like last week, Pam Bondi said she would go through 127 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: each pardon one by one and decide, well, that's not 128 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday. Yesterday Trump just pardoned all of them, 129 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: including people who had done violence on police, including the 130 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: guy who was like whars Nancy, including the guy in 131 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: the Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt, including the QAnon shaman who is 132 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: so sane and centered. The first thing he tweeted was 133 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: all caps gonna buy some mother fucking guns. I love 134 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: this country. God bless America. Lots of explanation points, as 135 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: you can imagine. So here he is, my man, the 136 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: law and order president, engaging in pardon palooza for some reason. 137 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: And also I might add, like, if you're Zuckerberg and 138 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: you have worked so hard on your public persona, and 139 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: you have so many publicists and comms people and this 140 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: and that, you are now on the same side as 141 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: the QAnon shaman, Like, how do you do that, Mark Zuckerberg? 142 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: How do you pretend you're a good guy when you 143 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: are on the same team as the QAnon shaman. I'm 144 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: not sure you can do that. 145 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: I'm going with you. Kemp. 146 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: Charlie Sykes is the author of the Newsletter to the 147 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Contrary and the book How the right lawsuits mind. Welcome 148 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics. My friend Charlie. 149 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: Sikes Day one, Day one, Molly John, how do you do? 150 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: How'd you get through day one? 151 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because it's like there are so 152 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: many parts of it that are like you're like, oh, 153 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: I remember doing this and five years ago, four years ago. 154 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: But then there are moments where you're like, I can't 155 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: just the sheer. I don't know. I feel like part 156 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: of me is like I can't do this again or anymore, 157 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: And then part of me is like, oh, I know 158 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: how to do this. This is not so hard. 159 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think part of it is that 160 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: it's all going to be very very clear, it's going 161 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: to be laid out. We aren't the people, you know, 162 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: screaming this guy is going to do X, because he's 163 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 3: going to actually do it. So okay, this is kind 164 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: of weird. It's kind of my contrarian side of me that, 165 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: you know, I actually feel vindicated and liberated in a 166 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 3: certain way. I mean, it is depressing to see all 167 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: of this happening. There's a sense of unreality about it. 168 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: But for a lot of us who've been saying, you 169 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: know this, this man is going to He's going to 170 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 3: free the people who attacked and beat the cops, and 171 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: people would roll their eyes. Oh that's Trump de arrangement syndrome. 172 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: Now it's Trump last twenty four hours now. And also 173 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: I think the contrast between the people. I mean, it 174 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 3: is interesting to me to watch and I understand that 175 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: people who were burned out about this and watching the 176 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 3: media coverage, you got a sense of just how lame 177 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: their approaching it in how so much of the political 178 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: class can't figure out how to deal with the new 179 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: legitimate Donald Trump. And I'm like, fuck this, He's still 180 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: the same guy. He's a convicted felon twice in peace, 181 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: you know, adjudicated sexual abuser. And you may be memory 182 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: holding this, but you know what, I kind of remember, 183 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 3: and I can feel it's kind of a superpower that 184 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: we remember this witch and we've been warning you, and 185 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: you just kind of sit back and get the popcorn. 186 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 3: In a dark sort of way. 187 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because it's like I'm listening to you, 188 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: and for sure there is this surrealness, right like this 189 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: happened again. Jesse and I did this whole documentary on 190 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five, during the summer, and then here 191 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: he is just doing all this stuff, like ending the 192 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: ability for Medicare to negotiate drug prices, which is one 193 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: of these things where it's like, why would you ever 194 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: do that? There are certain things where you could make 195 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: a conservative case for it, or you would say, but 196 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: you know, the idea that you can't do that because 197 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: drug companies need to get richer is just very hard. 198 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: So it's vindicating in the fact that it's watching it 199 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: happen is not surprising. Again, like with all this stuff, 200 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: we're not going to be the people, or at least 201 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: at first, we're not going to be the people who 202 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm sure you saw the video of 203 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: the woman who was waiting for her appointment to apply 204 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: for asylum be canceled because they took down the software. 205 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: So like, we won't be the first people to feel 206 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: the wrath of this. But I don't know. I want 207 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: to keep my humanity, you know what I mean. 208 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: I do know what you mean, And I think that's 209 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: part of the challenges that keep your equilibrium, to keep 210 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: your sanity, and I think part of it is to 211 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: really work hard at separating the signal from the noise 212 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: to separate, you know, what's kind of the performative distraction 213 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: and what and what should we really be honing in on. 214 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: And you know, I was thinking this morning as I 215 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: was pretting together my newsletter, actually before I was pretting 216 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: together my newsletter, which is to the contrary, on the 217 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: subject that I had to break down in the various 218 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: categories bullshit, you should ignore stuff that's fun, that you 219 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: should ignore stuff that is troubling. But let's put on 220 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: the back burner for now, and what we really ought 221 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: to be talking about today. And I think that that 222 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: kind of triage is going to be necessary every single day. 223 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we could obsess endlessly about why 224 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: is he renaming mountains and the Gulf because he's up 225 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 3: and he's got these weird you know fetishes, you know. 226 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: And also manifest destiny is the sort of homage to 227 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: the kind of Jim right, I mean, it's an homage 228 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: to that world that no longer exists. 229 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: Well, there may be a time, you know, when we 230 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 3: decide to invade other countries that it's going to move 231 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: up to the front burner. But you know, I mean, 232 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: yesterday was the day that I mean, you want to 233 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: talk about dystopian moments when he freed fifteen hundred people 234 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: who he had incited to overturn the last election and 235 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: violently attack the Capitol. Now, this is one of those 236 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: moments where you go, Okay, folks, are you really shrugging 237 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: about this? Are you really shrugging about the kinds of 238 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: people that he just turned out? Are you shrugging about 239 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: the seditionist insurrectionists, the people who tased cops, who beat cops. 240 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean, look at those pictures. I mean, I think 241 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: that's one of those clarifying moments because you know, millions 242 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: of people of ordered for Donald Trump, but there's no 243 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: indication that, you know, that's really what the American people 244 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: wanted him to do on day one. And so yesterday 245 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: I started the day saying we all ought to be 246 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: thinking about Charlie Chaplin, you know, remembering to laugh at 247 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: these guys. But it was a dark day for the 248 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: rule of law and how aggressive Trump is going to be. 249 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 3: I mean, you remember there was a debate, my only 250 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: remember there was a debate eight years should we take 251 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: him seriously or literally? 252 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: Right right? 253 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: And I think that now it's pretty obvious that on 254 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: you know, when he says something that the default position 255 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 3: ought to be that we ought to take him as 256 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: seriously as a fucking heart attack, because he's going to 257 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: do everything he said, or he's going to try to 258 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 3: do now. He's not going to get away with it. 259 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: He's not going to be able to unilaterally amend the 260 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: Constitution when it comes to birthright citizenship. But I think 261 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: that every Project twenty twenty five outlandish thing that people 262 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: speculated about expected it. It's rolling down the mountain. 263 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point. And 264 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: we're thinking about is how we handle this Trump two 265 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: point zero. Certain things will be publicity stunts or trolls. 266 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Certain things will be actually real. I mean with the 267 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: one hundred executive orders, almost one hundred executive orders. The 268 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: idea here was again to as Steve Ann and Chock 269 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: and Awe right Days of Thunder, try to make it 270 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: so hard to keep up. The keeping up becomes, you know, 271 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: the job more than covering it. And so that is 272 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: when we're going to have to be selective. I think. 273 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this may sound contradictory. I mean, remember to 274 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: laugh at them when they're clown like, but also to 275 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,359 Speaker 3: be outraged when they offend the basic rules of civilization. 276 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: So I had a question that I want to ask 277 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: you please, because I'll tell you, it's bothering me more 278 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: and more. And it is this question of what are 279 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: the rules of civility in Trump two point zero. You 280 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: know we may have talked about it. I know I 281 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: wrote about it. After no Mother Pence refused to shake 282 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's hand at Jimmy Carter's funeral. Everybody else is like, yeah, yeah, sure, 283 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: you know, congratulations mister president, and let's yuck it up now. 284 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: Like five minutes ago, we were calling you a fascist, 285 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: existential threat to democracy, you know, and a djudicated rapist 286 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: they convicted Fellain. Hey, what the hell you won the election? 287 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: So I guess as I watched and look, I just 288 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: don't know if my reaction to write about this. So 289 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: as I watched Trump show up at the White House 290 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: and Joe Biden comes tottering out and says, welcome home, 291 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: I'm going, really, is that necessary? 292 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: You know? 293 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: Does everybody need to sort of pretend that this is 294 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: in fact normal when you have been telling us for 295 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: the last year. And I was trying to think about 296 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: how to frame this that if you knew that somebody 297 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: had raped a woman down the street from you, and 298 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: they came up to you and they said, hey, Molly, 299 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: how are you. Would you like to go get a 300 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: cut cup of coffee? You'd say, fuck, no, no. If 301 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: one of the people who tased Michael Fanone at the 302 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: Capitol walked in the room, would you stand up and 303 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: go shake hands with that person? And if the answer 304 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: is no, then why would you get up and go 305 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: across the room and shake hands with the man who 306 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: incited the attack? Why would you decide that winning an 307 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: election somehow means that everything you had said about this 308 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: man now suddenly needs to be backburned. Do you know 309 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: what I mean? 310 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: I want to go a step further with us, because 311 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: for the last three months, we've seen a ton of 312 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: like closing up to Trump, and I believe it was 313 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: based on this supposition that Donald Trump might not be 314 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: as bad this time, and that we didn't want to 315 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: look stupid. This is my theory of the case. What 316 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: I think was so important about yesterday was it dispelled 317 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: every second right of like maybe this time see I 318 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: think Democrats actually what happened was I think they truly 319 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: believed that Trump was the threat he was, that he 320 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: still is, and then all of a sudden when he won, 321 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: what kicked in was a certain kind of anxiety that, 322 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: oh my god, maybe we were all wrong. And I 323 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: think I saw this in the media for sure, that 324 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: there was an anxiety that perhaps Trump would be better 325 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: this time. You know, I have a friend who is 326 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: a very good one reports on Trump, and I kept 327 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: asking this person, is he better? Does he seem less crazy? 328 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: Does he seem like he's And the person kept saying, no, 329 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: same person, same person, same person. And I think that's 330 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: what we say yesterday, he's the same person. 331 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: Well, but also I think that there's a sense that somehow, okay, 332 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: he was uncivil, he was crude and gross, and we're 333 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: going to show that we are better. We're going to 334 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 3: observe the norms. 335 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 4: That he broke. 336 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: So in effect, what you're allowing him to do is 337 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: to use those norms to destroy those norms, to use 338 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 3: the constitutional niceties to destroy the constitutional nicety. 339 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: Yes, but you're talking about Merek Garland here right. 340 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: Well, no, No, I'm talking about everybody that went to 341 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 3: lunch with him, everybody that's just hanging around Democrats. And 342 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: I think part of it is for the average person 343 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: who's watching this. If you're told, you know, hair on fire, 344 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: this man is maybe you know, a fascist adjacent. This 345 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: man is a danger, is a real and present danger 346 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 3: to every American value. And then you welcome him in 347 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: the White House and you sit down and you had tea. 348 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: There's a sense that, Okay, you didn't really mean that 349 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: was just politics, right, that's what you guys just say. 350 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: It's like this game. We say shit about each other, 351 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 3: but when the kabuki dance is over, it's like, wink, 352 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: wink wink, we're still all buddies. We're kind of all 353 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 3: in on it. 354 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: That's kind of the feel I have. 355 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: So we've talked endlessly about don't normalize this guy, don't 356 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: normalize this guy. Then the election comes in comes along, 357 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, them to normalize everything, even though 358 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: even though as you say he is, it's almost like 359 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 3: he's standing there in the middle of Fifth Avenue saying 360 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: I am not normal. I am a fucking lunatic rhinoceros 361 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: running down the street, and everybody's going, oh, it suck y. Well, 362 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: you know, turning the page, a new president, a new direction. Oh, 363 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: the president is unusually exuberant today. Well, he's remming in 364 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: with his fucking horn. 365 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: We shouldn't laugh, and again we laugh to keep from crying. 366 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: We should laugh, we should Okay, perhaps we should laugh, 367 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, I mean, this is a continual 368 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: problem of having what little of the free press is 369 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: laught during the whatever. This is the sort of and 370 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: the kind of you know, hopefully not the end of 371 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: liberal democracy. I mean, is there anything that makes you 372 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: feel better? 373 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: Well, by the way, we should laugh. We shouldn't go 374 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: to lunch with him. I think that's the formulation. 375 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and Bernie Sanders, there was that moment when I'm 376 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: sure you saw the photo of Bernie Sanders just sitting 377 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: there not clapping as Klobashar was giving this sort of 378 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: welcome speech to Trump, and I thought that was sort 379 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: of just the right posture. 380 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 3: The only thing that makes me feel better is the 381 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 3: sense that something that can't last forever won't last forever, 382 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: that this too shall pass. But that's sort of the 383 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: moment of stoic modesty that is very much out of 384 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: fashion these days. But by the way, can we just 385 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: talk briefly about Jeff Bezos. 386 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: Oh briefly, just briefly, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 387 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: So here you have Trump, and I think this is 388 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: one thing that was so unsubtle, the gathering of the 389 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 3: tech ola, Garks, Elon and Zuckerberg and Bezos, and they're 390 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 3: all in the front row. The cabinet is in the 391 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: back row. On the one hand, it's the conspicuous groveling 392 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: by the billionaires, but also Trump really triumphing in the 393 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 3: way that he's brought them to heal. And apparently members 394 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 3: of Congress in the cabinet were told you can't bring 395 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: your spouses, but they made the exception for Bezos, whose 396 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: girlfriends shows up well in an interesting way. And of 397 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: course the highlight then of the of the tech bro 398 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 3: broligarchy sitting there is Mark Zuckerberg oggling her cleavance. 399 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, we're elevating the discourse here. 400 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: My twelve year old self needs to be in the 401 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 3: room for this discussion. 402 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: This feels like a Rick Wilson conversation and not a 403 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: Charlie Sykes conversation. But yes, I will allow it, Yes, 404 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: sorry Rick. 405 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: So but also what was interesting, and I think it 406 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: was George Conway highlighted this on. 407 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: So George Conway conversation. 408 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: No, no, because I was thinking about this is that 409 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: remember when when Bezos nixed the Washington Post endorsement of Kamalairis, 410 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: he said, well, endorsements snow give the sense of bias 411 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah, and and somebody tweeted it out. 412 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: So I wonder how all the staffers of the Washington 413 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 3: Post are feeling now about, you know, Jeff Bezos yucking 414 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: it up with Donald Trump. So that's kind of the 415 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 3: normalization that I'm talking about. So you asked what makes 416 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: me feel better? And I think I've said this to 417 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: you before. All incoming administrations overplay their hand, they misread 418 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: their mandates. And a populist, you know, man of the people, 419 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 3: working class movement that is clearly dominated by arrogant, juvenile billionaires, 420 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: I don't know that strikes me as having a structural flaw. 421 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: I think so too. And in fact, one of the 422 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: things that I wonder a lot about is how here 423 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: we are at this moment, right and we have these 424 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: tech oligarchs whose companies and whose families in some cases 425 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: have spent billions of dollars on right pr and comms 426 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: like you know, Amazon, think about like even oil company 427 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: is like we love climate. You know, these people all 428 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: they care about is what other people think of them. 429 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: They are standing in the front row of a guy 430 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: who then pardons a number of violent fenders, right political 431 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, offenders. And then later on that day, a 432 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: different tech bro makes a gesture that we are that 433 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: the ADL promises us is not a Nazi salute. But 434 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: then the discourse is now completely about whether or not 435 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: it was a Nazi salute. And by the way, if 436 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: you're in a discourse about that, you are losing. 437 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 3: Part of me thinks that that's kind of a distraction. 438 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: The way, the way that I phrased it in my 439 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 3: newsletter this morning was is that, you know, Elon Musk 440 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: reminded us that he's really all out of fucks to 441 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: give about whether think that he whether people think that 442 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: he is a Nazi. 443 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't care, right, he doesn't care. 444 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: And by the way, I'd be much more willing to 445 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: cut him some slack if you know, five minutes before this, 446 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: he hadn't endorsed the Neil Nazi Germany. 447 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't know why you or. 448 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: That he hadn't have a track record of posting any 449 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: Semitic comments on his shitty site. So yeah, that is 450 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: one of those weird sorts of those weird sorts of things. 451 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: In the end, that feels it feels like a distraction 452 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 3: for everybody. But I think we're going to have it. 453 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: By the way, he was obviously in a really good mood, 454 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: having you know, shit Ramaswami and got him out of dog. 455 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: How about that? 456 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: How about that VI didn't even make it to the inauguration. 457 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: It's true, so efficient that they got rid of their 458 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: co head right away. I mean, that's the thing is like, 459 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: here's a party where party is the wrong word. An 460 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: oligar ruler, a sovereign according to the Supreme Court, who 461 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: basically has a tend that includes the guy in the 462 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt, the Zionists. 463 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: Right, So you're way smarter about this stuff, and I am, 464 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 3: so can I ask you another question? 465 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah? 466 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 3: I haven't gotten my head around what may actually be 467 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: the biggest story of the last forty eight hours, this 468 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: massive meme coin that Donald Trump has put out. There's 469 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 3: a Donald Trump coin, there's a millenniaup coin. And if 470 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm reading this right, these things are worth tens of 471 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 3: billions of dollars and so if you want to just 472 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: now anybody just put Boodle cash Health into the pocket 473 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: of the president, all you have to do is buy 474 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: one of these fogus coins. 475 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, meme him. 476 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 3: It is part of it is just the nakedness of 477 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: it is like, hey, you thought I'd be constrained about 478 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: just pure forget the grift, We're going straight to the graft. 479 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: Yes, meme coin. So basically the idea here is that 480 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: you can make a coin. You can make a lot 481 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: of money. By the way, what I think is interesting 482 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: about this coin is not anything except this. It has 483 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: made the crypto people really mad because it's so blatantly 484 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: corrupt that they feel it's undermining the sort of low 485 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: the you know. For example, my husband is a VC 486 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: and I said to him, I was interviewing someone who 487 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: deals with crypto, and I said, so, basically the net 488 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: of this whole interview was he said, it's a complete scam. 489 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: And my husband looks at me and he says, well, 490 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: is the dollar a scam? Right? Currency is the value 491 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: that you know occasionally he's like a finance bro And 492 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: I was like, is the dollar scam? What? And what 493 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: the bitcoin people don't like is that they have now 494 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: laid down with trump Ism. It undermines the whole sort 495 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: of currency itself, and that is where we are. Well. 496 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 3: This makes me think, though, that there's really a potential 497 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: to highlight these among the many hypocrisies and cruelties of 498 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: this administration, the hypocrisy about populism, the problem of rich 499 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: and poor. I don't know that Democrats can break away 500 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: from their normal identity politics to say, let's just go 501 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: back to the just the massive wealth gap here and 502 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 3: and and the massive rigging of the system by these billionaires. 503 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 3: And you know, maybe we need new language. You know, 504 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 3: obviously oligarchy is not something you're going to be hearing 505 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: on the street, you know. But the fact that Donald 506 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: Trump is sort of ripping off the mask of being 507 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 3: a fat cat and aligning himself with the robber barons, 508 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't there's a certain aspirational aspect 509 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: of you know, some of the the Trumpet supporters when 510 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 3: they look at rich people and they they are filled 511 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: with admiration for their talents, and they think that they 512 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: can they can be wealthy. But I also think that 513 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 3: there's there's a debate that we have to have over 514 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 3: the massive and obscene concentration of power that we're seeing 515 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: with the richest man in the world and most powerful 516 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 3: man in the world collude to take care of themselves 517 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: and leave the rest of us out. 518 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: And that is where we are. Thank you, Charlie. 519 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: And we're just getting started. We only have four more 520 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: years of this. 521 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 4: Molly, He's it's so bad. 522 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: Alexis McGill Johnson is the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood. 523 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Alexis. 524 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Mollie. It's good to be here. 525 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: You've been on this podcast before. You're the president of 526 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood. We've been through the highs, We've been through 527 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: the lows. This feels like the lowest. 528 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 4: It feels like a dark time. I mean, without question, 529 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 4: right from our vantage point, we are still very much 530 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 4: responding to a public health crisis that was caused by 531 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: the very people who are now leading this country and 532 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 4: folks who are literally in the position to make it worse. 533 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 4: And I think that that makes it very alarming, you know, 534 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: in a moment where we need to be really fighting back. 535 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about what this 536 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: sort of landscape looks like. Roby Wade no longer the 537 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: law of the land. We were told by Donald Trump, 538 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: who knows. I mean, what I think is so interesting 539 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: about this moment is you've had this twenty twenty four 540 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: election cycle where people voted in red states to codify 541 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: row right, right, Like, clearly this was an important issue 542 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: to them, But then they also voted for Donald Trump. 543 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 4: Right, you want me to make it make sense. 544 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: I would certainly love to make it make sense, yes, please. 545 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 4: You know, look, I think that where people had the 546 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: opportunity to codify their personal individual freedoms community freedoms, they 547 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 4: chose to do so, and where they had an opportunity to, 548 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 4: you know, vote for I think where proximity to patriarchy, 549 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 4: proximity to ensuring that they no longer have to feel 550 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: bad about sharing a sense of belonging with other Americans, 551 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 4: they also voted to do that, right, I mean, closing 552 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 4: arguments were you know, really patriarchy and white nationally, And 553 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of people, even people 554 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: women and people of color, who chose that proximity over 555 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 4: the freedom of all that is actually I think what 556 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 4: feels so demoralizing in the moment to see that come 557 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 4: through in the way the executive orders are being put 558 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: through you know, deep concern about communities while still fighting 559 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 4: to protect yourself and your own and your own community. 560 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 4: It's a bit of a disconnect. But I also think 561 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 4: what that means for reproductive freedom is that you know, 562 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 4: Donald Trump does not have a mandate to gut reproductive 563 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 4: rights even further because the majority of Americans continue to 564 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: and demonstrated it with all of these ballad initiatives, how 565 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 4: much they believe that that politicians shouldn't be making these decisions, 566 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 4: that politicians are not more qualified than doctors to be 567 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 4: able to support them in their reproductive journeys. So it 568 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: is definitely a mixed bag. But I do think that 569 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: we're clear that Donald Trump doesn't have a mandate, and 570 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 4: with that, we're going to have to leverage the folks, 571 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 4: the broadswath of Americans who who do support freedom in 572 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 4: that regard. 573 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting because while this was happening after Trump had won, 574 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: Texas has this law and the books that overturned grow 575 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: a year before the Supreme Court did it, And this 576 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: law has bounties, and I'm wondering if you could talk 577 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: about the bounties and then talk about what the right 578 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: wing organizations are doing to try and encourage husband's boyfriends, 579 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: exes to sue women, and how that creates a sort 580 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: of world that I don't think any of us really 581 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: are ready for. 582 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: Mollie, can you believe that the incentivizing that is happening 583 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: to encourage men, boyfriends, husbands to essentially report out on 584 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 4: their wives girlfriend's behavior. I mean, like that is the 585 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 4: kind of thing that I think is a level of 586 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 4: meant that we have not seen that kind of permission 587 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 4: structure to fully Can I say, surveil the experiences of 588 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 4: women across this country and empower those that have kind 589 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 4: of the closest information to participate in lawsuits in states 590 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 4: with abortion bands, Like, the level of surveillance and privacy 591 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 4: sharing is alarming. 592 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. This idea here, this was baked into this SBA 593 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: to the Texas law, was that you could suit someone 594 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: or the people who help them get an abortion. We 595 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: have never seen something like this happen in real time. 596 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: We're going to see it now, right, Yeah. 597 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 4: I think we should look at all of these things, 598 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 4: whether it's the bounty laws, whether it's the kind of 599 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 4: specific recruitment of boyfriends and husbands to report out on 600 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: their partners, whether it is the laws or the lawsuits 601 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: attacking providers in states that have access to abortion for 602 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 4: their mailing of abortion medication over state lines, whether it's 603 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 4: crossing state lines, whether it's miners crossing state lines. I 604 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 4: think they are going to, you know, continue to build 605 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 4: a patchwork of abortion restrictions and ensuing litigation that will 606 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 4: gain like roll up through the court systems because we 607 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 4: will have to fight each of these restrictions. They'll roll 608 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 4: up through the court restrictions so that they can add 609 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 4: further restrictions onto access to abortion right. 610 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: And also they will create a world where women of 611 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: reproductive health are basically I mean this is an homage 612 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: to the fugitive slave, a aact. 613 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 4: It's intended to create fear, chaos, confusion, to really discourage 614 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 4: people from having body autonomy even when it is lawful. 615 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Explain to us sort of what is the focus right now? 616 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: You have blue states who have red states. Red states 617 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: are completely controlled by the right, and what does the 618 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: landscape look like right now? 619 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 4: They're nineteen states that have restrictions on access to abortion. 620 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 4: This is two and a half years after the Jobs decision. 621 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 4: You know, we've seen through the storytelling that abortion bands 622 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 4: had made pregnancy more dangerous. We've seen the loss of 623 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 4: life you know of those we know amount of women 624 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 4: like Amber Thurman, you know, who are afraid to get 625 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 4: access or went to get access to care at their 626 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 4: local hospitals and they were denied care until they were 627 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 4: too sick in order to treat them. We have seen 628 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 4: doctors leaving states and residents declining to come into states 629 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 4: to practice OBGYN band states because fearful of the concern. 630 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 4: We just are seeing these bands hurt communities across the South, 631 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 4: in the Midwest, you know, economies, businesses, universities are all 632 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 4: experiencing the kind of fallout, right because that's just the 633 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 4: practical implication of how hard it is to recruit or 634 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 4: maintain residents and communities when you don't have enough of 635 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: an OBGUI in supply to help people build their families. 636 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 4: And then you know, obviously all of these dangerous restrictions 637 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 4: continue to you know, we will see these efforts to 638 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 4: create new standing, you know, whether the law we were 639 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 4: just talking about the lawsuits really giving standing to boyfriends 640 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 4: and husbands who you know, they would claim our victims 641 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 4: of abortion, or giving standing to embryos and fetuses through 642 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 4: some of the personhood amendments that we will continue to 643 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 4: see through things like the so called you know, the 644 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 4: various legislation and so, you know, I think we need 645 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 4: to continue to expect that literally, the same kind of 646 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 4: test cases and patchwork restrictions that ultimately ended up being 647 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 4: part of the downfall of the road decision are going 648 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 4: to be the ones that are intent to try to 649 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 4: strengthen the hand of the jobs decision. 650 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: Right. This is the thing that keeps me up at night. 651 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: We saw these women come forward during the campaign, in 652 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four campaign, and they told these absolutely 653 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: blood curdling stories about the kind of things that no 654 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: one in a modern country, in a wealthy, modern country, 655 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: should have to go through. And voters rejected those stories, 656 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: or they just ignored them, or they didn't hear them, 657 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: or they chose not to hear them. I mean, are 658 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: we in this moment where it's just going to have 659 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: to get worse and worse and worse. I know we 660 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't think this way, but like, you can't give people 661 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want. Do all these white women who 662 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: voted for Trump, do they not understand that this affects 663 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: very much affects them. 664 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 4: I think they very much do understand the impact. I 665 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 4: think they were moved by the stories, and they also 666 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 4: believed Trump when he said he wouldn't do anything about abortion. 667 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 4: I think that's really the paradox here is that the 668 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 4: majority of Americans, including you know, women of all demographics, men, 669 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 4: religious cammunities, rural communities, you know, folks who genuinely believe 670 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 4: in advancing freedom, support it reproductive freedom. And yet I 671 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 4: think their proximity to you know, fighting for the protections 672 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 4: of themselves really no pun intended Trump, their other concerns 673 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 4: that these rights would be taken away. And I think 674 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 4: that's that's the question we need to answer, is like 675 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 4: why did they believe that he would not do anything, 676 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 4: especially when we watch his entire anti abortion cabinet come 677 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 4: into play. Right, you've got Pamponde as age, You've got 678 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 4: Russell Lott from Project twenty twenty five, and O and B, 679 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 4: you've got Marco Rubio as Secretary of State. Right, the 680 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 4: roles of these cabinet picks have literally empowered this administration 681 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 4: to take steps that would impede access to abortion care, 682 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 4: sexual reproductive health care really as a whole, here and globally. 683 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 4: And so I think the question that we have to 684 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 4: now pose back to those very people who said, you know, 685 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 4: either they didn't believe him or it wasn't disqualifying because 686 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 4: they did think it would happen. How are they going 687 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 4: to hold President Trump to his word every day for 688 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 4: the next four years? Right, Planned Parenthood, you know, our 689 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 4: organizations are suppurs. We know, we're just going to every 690 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 4: day remind this administration of his pledge not only that 691 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,479 Speaker 4: he wouldn't sign a national abortion ban, but that any 692 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 4: other effort like defunding Planned Parenthood or trying to issue 693 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 4: guidance around comstock that is not consistent with what the 694 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 4: law intended, would be efforts to essentially enact a national 695 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 4: abortion ban. So we're going to be reminding him. The 696 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 4: question is, how are all of these folks who said 697 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 4: that this would not be disqualifying going to hold him 698 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 4: to accountable because that is actually where we will need 699 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 4: to grow and build our strength and power, right. 700 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really important point now, as 701 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 1: someone who did all of this research on Project twenty 702 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: two five and interviewed all these academics, one of the 703 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: things about Project twenty twenty five this embryoic personhood, right, 704 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: they call it fetal person but it's really they're really embryos. 705 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: It opens the door to a real war on birth 706 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: control too, which is where I think this is all headed, 707 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: and where if you're an evangelical, you want to shut 708 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: down abortion, but you really want to shut down birth control. 709 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 4: Right. 710 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping you could sort of explain where you're 711 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: seeing that, if you're seeing that maybe or not, and 712 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: how Planned Parenthood hopes to protect that kind of thing. 713 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 4: Well, look after the Dabbs decision, what we have seen 714 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 4: in our just in the health centers at Planned Parenthood, 715 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 4: you know, vasectomy appointments have increased by twelve hundred percent, 716 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 4: i UD appointments have increased by seven hundred and sixty percent, 717 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 4: birth control implant by three hundred and forty percent. Like 718 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 4: the people are speaking with their you know, with their 719 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 4: feet and near appointments, you know, around the kind of 720 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 4: healthcare that they need, right, you don't see that kind 721 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 4: of surge in demand without the you know, the the 722 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 4: concern and the fear that they will not be able 723 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 4: to get access to, you know, what is just considered 724 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 4: basic normal life as healthcare, right, affordable healthcare. We saw 725 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 4: the attacks as they came through the IBF case in Alabama. 726 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 4: We are going to continue to see the conversations they 727 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 4: were having in Tennessee. If you remember the lawmakers that 728 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 4: were caught on audio talking about like now is the 729 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 4: time to take on contraception. You know, these ideas are 730 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 4: out there. It is about as we have seen with 731 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 4: SB eight, with jobs, with you know, so many other 732 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 4: efforts to undo restrictions around abortion, that they always start 733 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 4: off kind of in a laboratory, you know, a law 734 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 4: where they're see how far they can push the boundary, 735 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 4: and then they use that to export to other states 736 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 4: who'd be willing to kind of test the law and 737 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 4: push that forward. And so even though you know, we 738 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 4: know ninety nine percent of women have used birth control 739 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 4: in their lifetime, we are going to see the restrictions 740 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 4: start to come into play as a way to see 741 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 4: how much they can get away with in the name 742 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 4: of power and control. 743 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a moment where the American 744 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, or do you think 745 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: that never happens. Like one of the things that I 746 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: was struck by in the last cycle was that you 747 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: would talk to voters and you would say, well, Trump's 748 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: going to do this, this and this, and they wouldn't 749 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: believe you. Do you think there's something that can happen 750 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: that voters will be like, oh my god? Or do 751 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: you think now? Yeah? 752 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 4: I asked this question a lot of myself because I 753 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 4: do think that. 754 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: This is literally what I think of all that. Like 755 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, is there a moment where they go like, 756 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't get the pill anymore, I 757 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: can't buy condoms like you know, or do they just 758 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: think like why did Joe Biden do this to me? 759 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 4: Why did Joe Biden do this to me? 760 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: Right? No, I know, but I'm just saying like that 761 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: they're so jacked up on misinformation and disinformation that they're 762 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: somehow like there were voters you remember during the Biden 763 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: administration who thought that Biden was the reason that Roe v. 764 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: Waite was overturned, right right right? 765 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 4: Because we're in like. 766 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: A disinformation you know, healthcape. 767 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, the thing I worry about. No, I mean, like 768 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 4: I think it's it's a really important question. And I 769 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 4: you know, and I say, it's like the thing I 770 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 4: ask myself it really is, how do you stop the 771 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 4: normalization of the harm, right, how do you stop the 772 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 4: kind of normalization of our freedoms being taken away? And 773 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 4: we cannot accept the fact that the future state of 774 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 4: reproductive healthcare is flying across the country get access to abortion, 775 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 4: getting on a bus, you know, and traveling eighteen hours 776 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 4: both ways in order to get back in time to 777 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 4: start your next shift. Like the reality that we are 778 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 4: allowing for a normalization treatment of people to not be 779 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 4: able to get the cure that they need where they live, 780 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 4: I think, is the first, like, you know, huge alarm bell. 781 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 4: And then you layer onto that people are actually dying, right, 782 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 4: people not even intended abortion care, but who have required 783 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,919 Speaker 4: it through their pregnancy, you know, outcomes are not now 784 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 4: no longer being able to get the access they need 785 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 4: in an emergent way. That like you continue to layer 786 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 4: on the harms and the normalization, and you say, like 787 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 4: how did we wake up? And look like why aren't 788 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 4: we there right now? 789 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: Like that is question? 790 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 4: But then I look at Corollari's in other movements, right, 791 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 4: I think about I think about all of the young 792 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 4: people that have died over the years in gun violence 793 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 4: in schools. You know, if we have normalized that through 794 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 4: shooter drillings and teaching kids how to be silent and 795 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 4: hide in closets to not draw attention. What have we 796 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 4: done to quell the outrage that needs to exist every 797 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 4: time a child dies? And so I wonder about the 798 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 4: exhaustion and the wariness of the outrage, and also like, 799 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 4: at what point, you know, are we able to you know, 800 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 4: bring people back to a real, formidable understanding that their 801 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 4: freedoms have been approached in this way? 802 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, Alexis. 803 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 4: Thank you, Mollie, No moment. 804 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: Perfectly Jesse Cannon, Milly. 805 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 2: So there was a hand gesture heard around the world 806 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 2: by one Elon Musk yesterday at Trump's inauguration, and it 807 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 2: seems it's got the ADL a little twisted like a 808 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 2: pretzel about what to do here? What are you seeing? 809 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: So here we go. This is not surprising at all, 810 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: but the ADL, which is a friend of Trump and 811 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: Elon so Trump. So yesterday Elon made a hand gesture 812 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: that certainly looked like a Nazi salute to everyone who 813 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: saw it, but not the brain trust at the ADL, 814 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: who tweeted, go for it. 815 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 2: This is a delicate moment. It's a new day. And 816 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 2: yet so many are on edge. Our politics are inflamed. 817 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 2: Social media only ats the anxiety. It seems that Elon 818 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 2: Musk made an awkward gesture at a moment of enthusiasm, 819 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 2: not a Nazi salute. But again, we appreciate that people 820 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 2: are on edge in this moment. All sides should give 821 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 2: one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit 822 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 2: of the doubt, and take a breath. This is a 823 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 2: new beginning. Let's hope for healing and work towards unity 824 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 2: in the months and years ahead. 825 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, heali like in unity from the river to the sea. 826 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: It's considered to be anti Semitism, but an actual Nazi 827 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 1: salute not so much watermelons. Here's Olab Schaltz. Perhaps you've 828 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: heard of him, German chancellor who Musk is mad at 829 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: because Musk wants the far right Nazi party to win 830 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: in Germany, and he said at the World Economic Forum 831 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, what we do not accept is if this 832 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: is support for extreme right positions. After a reporter asked 833 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: him what he thought of Musk's gesture, So, Adl, maybe 834 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: you should be as brave as the leader of Germany. 835 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 2: I think we have to zoom back history to September fourth, 836 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,479 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, where Elon Musk said the ADL, because 837 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 2: they are so aggressive in their demands and banned social 838 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,760 Speaker 2: mediacounts for even minor infractions, are ironically the biggest generators 839 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 2: of anti Semitism on this platform, and then threaten to 840 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 2: sue them for four billion dollars. 841 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: Four billion dollars. 842 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 2: Yes, it's really good that we let someone get this rich. 843 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: Good work everyone. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 844 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear 845 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: the best minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 846 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: If you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a 847 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,240 Speaker 1: friend and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.