Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and
Speaker 1: there's Chuck and it's just us. But we're going to
Speaker 1: do it no problem. Everybody just calmed down.
Speaker 2: Just the short stuff, that's right. I thought about getting
Speaker 2: one together about this topic because my daughter Ruby got
Speaker 2: the wind knocked out of her for the first time,
Speaker 2: oh no, a couple of weeks ago and told me
Speaker 2: about it. I wasn't there when it happened. It happened
Speaker 2: at school, and she said it was scary, and I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, listen, kiddo, that happened to me. I
Speaker 2: think she got hit in the chest or something. But I,
Speaker 2: when I was young, fell out of a tree about
Speaker 2: probably about I mean, it wasn't super high, but it
Speaker 2: was probably like seven or eight feet like directly on
Speaker 2: my back and got the wind knocked out of me
Speaker 2: really bad. I think maybe the only time that's happened.
Speaker 2: And if you've never had it happen, it's a very panicky,
Speaker 2: scary situation because you literally cannot get a breath. You're
Speaker 2: just like, I wish people could see me now because
Speaker 2: I'm sort of silently freaking out. But you cannot inhale
Speaker 2: or exhale for a very short period, for a period
Speaker 2: of a few seconds until you go and get your
Speaker 2: breath again finally. But I was like, what's going on there?
Speaker 2: And we found out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, that's funny that that coincided with somebody wrote
Speaker 1: it in an email in the last week or so
Speaker 1: asking for us to explain getting the really Yeah, so's
Speaker 1: it's in the air right now? Apparently.
Speaker 2: Well I wish we could name that person, but I
Speaker 2: didn't realize that, So thank you too, whoever that was.
Speaker 1: So there's another another name for this. It's called frenospasm.
Speaker 1: The reason why it involves your frontic nerve, which controls
Speaker 1: your diaphragm, which is essentially at the center of this
Speaker 1: whole thing. And to understand I guess how all this works,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to understand how we breathe, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh okay, I'll tell everybody how you breathe. So that
Speaker 1: diaphragm is a huge mass of like muscle and tendon.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like dome shaped. It almost looks like
Speaker 1: the insignia for the Star Trek Federation right right underneath
Speaker 1: your lungs. I'm trying to bring some of our nerdier
Speaker 1: fans back okay. And when it expands like we exhale,
Speaker 1: because it forces our lungs, it forces air out of
Speaker 1: our lungs. When we inhale again, the diaphragm contracts and
Speaker 1: gets smaller so our lungs can fill with air. Eventually
Speaker 1: they reach a point where they're low enough in pressure.
Speaker 1: The air inside of our lungs is low enough in
Speaker 1: pressure compared to the outside air pressure that the outside
Speaker 1: air is like I can't stand it anymore, and rushes
Speaker 1: in to fill our lungs up, which allows us to
Speaker 1: breathe again.
Speaker 2: Exactly. And if we're just hanging out, if we're relaxed,
Speaker 2: or even if we're doing something athletic, the diaphragm is
Speaker 2: working as it should. Breathing is involuntary. It's an automatic
Speaker 2: function of our nervous system. Our body's just doing it,
Speaker 2: and there's really no problems that are happening. The problem
Speaker 2: with getting winded happens when you get a either like
Speaker 2: a sock to the chest. If you ever look up,
Speaker 2: like like martial arts, like you know, where should I
Speaker 2: hit somebody to take them down, they'll list a bunch
Speaker 2: of things like the side of the neck or you know,
Speaker 2: all these different places where you where you can punch
Speaker 2: someone to kind of not paralyze them necessarily, but at
Speaker 2: least stop them. And they always say, like, aim for
Speaker 2: that solar plexus which is very near the diaphragm, and
Speaker 2: it sort of acts like a bull's eye if you're
Speaker 2: trying to say, like, punch there. And so if you
Speaker 2: get socked right there, either by a fist or if
Speaker 2: you fall out of that tree and land on your
Speaker 2: back or something, it can potentially, you know, paralyze at
Speaker 2: least temporarily paralyze that diaphragm because it's spasming to the
Speaker 2: point where you're just nothing is working as it should
Speaker 2: and it's it is super super scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So your diaphragm is either like you said, paralyzed
Speaker 1: or else it's spasming. And when that happens, not only
Speaker 1: can you not breathe in The reason you start panicking
Speaker 1: immediately is part of getting the wind knocked out of you.
Speaker 1: And the reason that name is so perfect is the
Speaker 1: first part of it is all of the air in
Speaker 1: your lungs is expelled suddenly, so you've got no air
Speaker 1: in reserve and you can't breathe. That's why it sucks
Speaker 1: so terribly terribly bad.
Speaker 2: You're like dying for a few seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, I mean you are. The thing is
Speaker 1: is from everything I've seen, it's not a life threatening thing.
Speaker 1: Your diaphragm stops spasming like clockwork in just a few seconds,
Speaker 1: and you start breathing again. It takes a little while
Speaker 1: for the panic to subside because your lizard brain is
Speaker 1: on like overdrive, but you will start breathing again. And
Speaker 1: talking about the solar plexus for a second, may I
Speaker 1: send my soapbox for a second. Yeah, So, if you
Speaker 1: read around the internet what causes the wind to get
Speaker 1: knocked out of you or what happens, people will add
Speaker 1: the solar plexus in and at base. The reason that
Speaker 1: it gets added as exactly as you described it, that's
Speaker 1: where your diaphragm is, right, Yeah, But the solar plexus
Speaker 1: specifically is a bundle of nerves that controls like your
Speaker 1: guts and your stomach and your spleen and your liver
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And it's actually the thing that
Speaker 1: slows down digestion when you're in fight or flight mode.
Speaker 1: It's that solar plexus bundle of nerves that's like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll just sit here for a little while while we
Speaker 1: run the problem that I found, and this is why
Speaker 1: I'm on my soapbox is plenty of people who have
Speaker 1: written articles on this kind of thing go a step
Speaker 1: further and say, well, your solar plexus is temporarily disabled,
Speaker 1: and so your diaphragm doesn't work. Your solar plexus has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with sending nerve signals to your diet.
Speaker 1: And it just drove me nuts to see it over
Speaker 1: and over and over again because they wouldn't they wouldn't
Speaker 1: explain it. Yeah, they wouldn't go any further. They just
Speaker 1: tossed that out. And for anybody who doesn't know or
Speaker 1: doesn't care to look further, like that's that's some somebody
Speaker 1: who knows what they're talking about wrote this fact based,
Speaker 1: researched article and it's just wrong. And that drives me
Speaker 1: so crazy. Man. It's everywhere. It's just so lazy, and
Speaker 1: it's it's just a form of spreading this information through laziness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, well, first of all, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's very big deal, so.
Speaker 1: It's it's not collectively cumulatively it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's uh, I think it's just sort of
Speaker 2: a more specific bullseye and a shorthand. For like, instead
Speaker 2: of saying, punch someone in the diaphragm or punch someone
Speaker 2: in the stomach, it's it's a little bit higher than that.
Speaker 2: The solar plexus is sort of midway between your navel
Speaker 2: and I guess what is it, Yeah, the bottom of
Speaker 2: your pecks. So I think it's just sort of shorthand.
Speaker 2: But it's such such a thing, such a shorthand, that
Speaker 2: getting the wind knocked out of you, like a doctor
Speaker 2: might even call it a solar plexus attack.
Speaker 1: You go see a different doctor. The doctor I want
Speaker 1: to shout out a guy named Kevin Tokoff t O
Speaker 1: k O p h at Catalyst University. Yeah, he did
Speaker 1: a great video on all this and went to the
Speaker 1: trouble explaining all that that the solar plexus really doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with it. It just happens to
Speaker 1: be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 2: Basically, he didn't get it worked up like you though.
Speaker 1: Huh No, No.
Speaker 2: He was a cool pretty cool all right. Go check
Speaker 2: out the video because it explains this in a pretty
Speaker 2: cool way with visuals. But we'll be back to talk
Speaker 2: about what you might do if you have found that
Speaker 2: you have had a solar plexus attack right after this man,
Speaker 2: All right, what can you do buddy if you get
Speaker 2: if you get socked in land on your back or something.
Speaker 1: Well, the stuff that we found is basically talking to
Speaker 1: the coach of the little league team. Basically, what you
Speaker 1: want to do is you have your your the person
Speaker 1: who had the wind knocked out of them, take a
Speaker 1: knee right, so when he's on the ground, when knees forward,
Speaker 1: have them raise their hands above their head and arch
Speaker 1: their back and stick their chest out. You want to
Speaker 1: hold their hands up and kind of pull it back
Speaker 1: a little bit and tell them to breathe deeply, long inhalations,
Speaker 1: short inhalations, long exhalations, and very quickly you will start
Speaker 1: breathing normally or the kid will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're by yourself, try to get into that
Speaker 2: you know position and raise your arms yourself. But if
Speaker 2: you're too freaked out, maybe just sit up and in
Speaker 2: like a crowd's position. Try and again breathe through your mouth.
Speaker 2: Breathe in through your mouth, that is, push your stomach out,
Speaker 2: then suck your stomach back like try and be real,
Speaker 2: just intentional with your breathing and try and relax, try
Speaker 2: and stay calm. That's like the biggest thing is like,
Speaker 2: all right, I know what's happened to me, and that
Speaker 2: I will breathe again, So try and kind of dim
Speaker 2: the panic a little bit. I've also seen where if
Speaker 2: you're near a pillow, if you follow a tree, you're
Speaker 2: kind of out of look, I guess, But if there
Speaker 2: is a pillow, you can put a pillow under your
Speaker 2: knees and head and that will, I guess, get you
Speaker 2: in a better position. But again, if you're with someone,
Speaker 2: try try to get them to help you or hopefully
Speaker 2: they'll know to help you with the over the head stuff.
Speaker 1: Right. I guess you could be a kid who knew
Speaker 1: they were going to fall over a tree by they
Speaker 1: were jumping out of a tree, so they strapped a
Speaker 1: pillow to their front and back and then found it
Speaker 1: didn't work. But then you have the pillow sandy, when
Speaker 1: you're trying to get to the breath back in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but just know that you'll start breathe. You'll
Speaker 2: get that big inhale in a matter of seconds and
Speaker 2: then you'll be just sort of breathing normally in a
Speaker 2: few minutes. Usually I saw like ten to fifteen, but
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that. It really even takes that long.
Speaker 1: Really long.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't remember when I or what the circumstances were
Speaker 1: for me getting the wind knocked on me, but I
Speaker 1: definitely have. It feels like a rite of passage.
Speaker 2: I think so, and hopefully it does not happen to you.
Speaker 2: But if it does, stay calm.
Speaker 1: One other thing though, If the breathing does not return
Speaker 1: to normal within several minutes or ten to fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: go to the hospital because you have like a frated,
Speaker 1: fractured rib or a collapse long totally something worse could
Speaker 1: have happened, but that's how you tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I have a tailbone bruise from the spring break,
Speaker 2: like two and a half weeks ago that just will
Speaker 2: not go away.
Speaker 1: Man, those hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just every time I'm sitting for a while
Speaker 2: and I get up and walk, I just feels like
Speaker 2: someone's stabbing me in my right butt cheek.
Speaker 1: Oh, you need one of those inflatable donuts.
Speaker 2: I guess that would help. It's just I think that
Speaker 2: a deep tailbone brush just takes a long long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to gaway. You're gonna tell us how you got that.
Speaker 1: Was it through rope trauma?
Speaker 2: No golf cart injury, one of those deals. You know,
Speaker 2: golf carts when you're sitting there, they have the little
Speaker 2: handrail that's very hard on the side right by your hip.
Speaker 2: If your going to sit down and your golf cart
Speaker 2: buddy hits the gas and it just it just drove
Speaker 2: right into my butt bone. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: all right though.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to end this one, all right.
Speaker 1: Short stuffed out.
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