1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and it's just us. But we're going to 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: do it no problem. Everybody just calmed down. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Just the short stuff, that's right. I thought about getting 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: one together about this topic because my daughter Ruby got 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: the wind knocked out of her for the first time, 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: oh no, a couple of weeks ago and told me 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: about it. I wasn't there when it happened. It happened 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: at school, and she said it was scary, and I 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: was like, hey, listen, kiddo, that happened to me. I 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: think she got hit in the chest or something. But I, 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: when I was young, fell out of a tree about 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: probably about I mean, it wasn't super high, but it 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: was probably like seven or eight feet like directly on 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: my back and got the wind knocked out of me 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: really bad. I think maybe the only time that's happened. 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: And if you've never had it happen, it's a very panicky, 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: scary situation because you literally cannot get a breath. You're 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: just like, I wish people could see me now because 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm sort of silently freaking out. But you cannot inhale 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: or exhale for a very short period, for a period 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: of a few seconds until you go and get your 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: breath again finally. But I was like, what's going on there? 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: And we found out. 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, that's funny that that coincided with somebody wrote 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: it in an email in the last week or so 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: asking for us to explain getting the really Yeah, so's 28 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: it's in the air right now? Apparently. 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: Well I wish we could name that person, but I 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: didn't realize that, So thank you too, whoever that was. 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: So there's another another name for this. It's called frenospasm. 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: The reason why it involves your frontic nerve, which controls 33 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: your diaphragm, which is essentially at the center of this 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 1: whole thing. And to understand I guess how all this works, 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: you kind of have to understand how we breathe, right, yeah, 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: oh okay, I'll tell everybody how you breathe. So that 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: diaphragm is a huge mass of like muscle and tendon. 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of like dome shaped. It almost looks like 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: the insignia for the Star Trek Federation right right underneath 40 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: your lungs. I'm trying to bring some of our nerdier 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: fans back okay. And when it expands like we exhale, 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: because it forces our lungs, it forces air out of 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: our lungs. When we inhale again, the diaphragm contracts and 44 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: gets smaller so our lungs can fill with air. Eventually 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: they reach a point where they're low enough in pressure. 46 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: The air inside of our lungs is low enough in 47 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: pressure compared to the outside air pressure that the outside 48 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: air is like I can't stand it anymore, and rushes 49 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: in to fill our lungs up, which allows us to 50 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: breathe again. 51 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: Exactly. And if we're just hanging out, if we're relaxed, 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: or even if we're doing something athletic, the diaphragm is 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: working as it should. Breathing is involuntary. It's an automatic 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: function of our nervous system. Our body's just doing it, 55 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: and there's really no problems that are happening. The problem 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: with getting winded happens when you get a either like 57 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: a sock to the chest. If you ever look up, 58 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: like like martial arts, like you know, where should I 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: hit somebody to take them down, they'll list a bunch 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: of things like the side of the neck or you know, 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: all these different places where you where you can punch 62 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: someone to kind of not paralyze them necessarily, but at 63 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: least stop them. And they always say, like, aim for 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: that solar plexus which is very near the diaphragm, and 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: it sort of acts like a bull's eye if you're 66 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: trying to say, like, punch there. And so if you 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: get socked right there, either by a fist or if 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: you fall out of that tree and land on your 69 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: back or something, it can potentially, you know, paralyze at 70 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: least temporarily paralyze that diaphragm because it's spasming to the 71 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: point where you're just nothing is working as it should 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: and it's it is super super scary. 73 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So your diaphragm is either like you said, paralyzed 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: or else it's spasming. And when that happens, not only 75 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: can you not breathe in The reason you start panicking 76 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: immediately is part of getting the wind knocked out of you. 77 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: And the reason that name is so perfect is the 78 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: first part of it is all of the air in 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: your lungs is expelled suddenly, so you've got no air 80 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: in reserve and you can't breathe. That's why it sucks 81 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: so terribly terribly bad. 82 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: You're like dying for a few seconds. 83 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, I mean you are. The thing is 84 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: is from everything I've seen, it's not a life threatening thing. 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: Your diaphragm stops spasming like clockwork in just a few seconds, 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: and you start breathing again. It takes a little while 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: for the panic to subside because your lizard brain is 88 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: on like overdrive, but you will start breathing again. And 89 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: talking about the solar plexus for a second, may I 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: send my soapbox for a second. Yeah, So, if you 91 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: read around the internet what causes the wind to get 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: knocked out of you or what happens, people will add 93 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: the solar plexus in and at base. The reason that 94 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: it gets added as exactly as you described it, that's 95 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: where your diaphragm is, right, Yeah, But the solar plexus 96 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: specifically is a bundle of nerves that controls like your 97 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: guts and your stomach and your spleen and your liver 98 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And it's actually the thing that 99 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: slows down digestion when you're in fight or flight mode. 100 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: It's that solar plexus bundle of nerves that's like, oh, Okay, 101 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: we'll just sit here for a little while while we 102 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: run the problem that I found, and this is why 103 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm on my soapbox is plenty of people who have 104 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: written articles on this kind of thing go a step 105 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: further and say, well, your solar plexus is temporarily disabled, 106 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: and so your diaphragm doesn't work. Your solar plexus has 107 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: nothing to do with sending nerve signals to your diet. 108 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: And it just drove me nuts to see it over 109 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: and over and over again because they wouldn't they wouldn't 110 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: explain it. Yeah, they wouldn't go any further. They just 111 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: tossed that out. And for anybody who doesn't know or 112 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: doesn't care to look further, like that's that's some somebody 113 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: who knows what they're talking about wrote this fact based, 114 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: researched article and it's just wrong. And that drives me 115 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: so crazy. Man. It's everywhere. It's just so lazy, and 116 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: it's it's just a form of spreading this information through laziness. 117 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, well, first of all, I don't 118 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: think it's very big deal, so. 119 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: It's it's not collectively cumulatively it is. 120 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's uh, I think it's just sort of 121 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: a more specific bullseye and a shorthand. For like, instead 122 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: of saying, punch someone in the diaphragm or punch someone 123 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: in the stomach, it's it's a little bit higher than that. 124 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: The solar plexus is sort of midway between your navel 125 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: and I guess what is it, Yeah, the bottom of 126 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: your pecks. So I think it's just sort of shorthand. 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: But it's such such a thing, such a shorthand, that 128 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: getting the wind knocked out of you, like a doctor 129 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: might even call it a solar plexus attack. 130 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: You go see a different doctor. The doctor I want 131 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: to shout out a guy named Kevin Tokoff t O 132 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: k O p h at Catalyst University. Yeah, he did 133 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: a great video on all this and went to the 134 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: trouble explaining all that that the solar plexus really doesn't 135 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: have anything to do with it. It just happens to 136 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: be in the wrong place at the wrong time. 137 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: Basically, he didn't get it worked up like you though. 138 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Huh No, No. 139 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: He was a cool pretty cool all right. Go check 140 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 2: out the video because it explains this in a pretty 141 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: cool way with visuals. But we'll be back to talk 142 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: about what you might do if you have found that 143 00:07:43,240 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: you have had a solar plexus attack right after this man, 144 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: All right, what can you do buddy if you get 145 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: if you get socked in land on your back or something. 146 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Well, the stuff that we found is basically talking to 147 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: the coach of the little league team. Basically, what you 148 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: want to do is you have your your the person 149 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: who had the wind knocked out of them, take a 150 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: knee right, so when he's on the ground, when knees forward, 151 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: have them raise their hands above their head and arch 152 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: their back and stick their chest out. You want to 153 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: hold their hands up and kind of pull it back 154 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: a little bit and tell them to breathe deeply, long inhalations, 155 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: short inhalations, long exhalations, and very quickly you will start 156 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: breathing normally or the kid will. 157 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're by yourself, try to get into that 158 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: you know position and raise your arms yourself. But if 159 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 2: you're too freaked out, maybe just sit up and in 160 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: like a crowd's position. Try and again breathe through your mouth. 161 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: Breathe in through your mouth, that is, push your stomach out, 162 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 2: then suck your stomach back like try and be real, 163 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: just intentional with your breathing and try and relax, try 164 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: and stay calm. That's like the biggest thing is like, 165 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: all right, I know what's happened to me, and that 166 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: I will breathe again, So try and kind of dim 167 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: the panic a little bit. I've also seen where if 168 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: you're near a pillow, if you follow a tree, you're 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: kind of out of look, I guess, But if there 170 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: is a pillow, you can put a pillow under your 171 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: knees and head and that will, I guess, get you 172 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: in a better position. But again, if you're with someone, 173 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: try try to get them to help you or hopefully 174 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: they'll know to help you with the over the head stuff. 175 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: Right. I guess you could be a kid who knew 176 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: they were going to fall over a tree by they 177 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: were jumping out of a tree, so they strapped a 178 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: pillow to their front and back and then found it 179 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: didn't work. But then you have the pillow sandy, when 180 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: you're trying to get to the breath back in here. 181 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but just know that you'll start breathe. You'll 182 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: get that big inhale in a matter of seconds and 183 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: then you'll be just sort of breathing normally in a 184 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: few minutes. Usually I saw like ten to fifteen, but 185 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: I haven't seen that. It really even takes that long. 186 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: Really long. 187 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 188 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't remember when I or what the circumstances were 189 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: for me getting the wind knocked on me, but I 190 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: definitely have. It feels like a rite of passage. 191 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: I think so, and hopefully it does not happen to you. 192 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: But if it does, stay calm. 193 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: One other thing though, If the breathing does not return 194 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: to normal within several minutes or ten to fifteen minutes, 195 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: go to the hospital because you have like a frated, 196 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: fractured rib or a collapse long totally something worse could 197 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: have happened, but that's how you tell. 198 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I have a tailbone bruise from the spring break, 199 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: like two and a half weeks ago that just will 200 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: not go away. 201 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Man, those hurt. 202 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just every time I'm sitting for a while 203 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: and I get up and walk, I just feels like 204 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: someone's stabbing me in my right butt cheek. 205 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Oh, you need one of those inflatable donuts. 206 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: I guess that would help. It's just I think that 207 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: a deep tailbone brush just takes a long long time. 208 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, to gaway. You're gonna tell us how you got that. 209 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: Was it through rope trauma? 210 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: No golf cart injury, one of those deals. You know, 211 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: golf carts when you're sitting there, they have the little 212 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: handrail that's very hard on the side right by your hip. 213 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: If your going to sit down and your golf cart 214 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: buddy hits the gas and it just it just drove 215 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: right into my butt bone. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm 216 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: all right though. 217 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: That's a great way to end this one, all right. 218 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: Short stuffed out. 219 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: Stuff you should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 220 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 221 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.