1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Can if I am six forty you're listening to the 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. I have a 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: lot to say about this Jimmy Kimmel situation, and like 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: one argument doesn't create a divorce, one joke or one 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: comment doesn't get you kicked off the air. Whether it's 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: temporary or permanent, we'll see. But a lot of people 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: are saying, well, I heard what he said, it didn't 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: sound like that big a deal, because in isolation, it 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: wasn't that big a deal. It was a long relationship. 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: And I'll play the clip later. It's not really important 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: right now to what I want to talk about. And 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: I don't have any notes in front of me, or 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: any news stories or anything. I'm just going to share 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: with you what it's like to be in the broadcast business. Like, well, 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Ray and I've been together over twenty five years now, 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: and Ken and I go, we're in it together for 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: over thirty five years. And here's how the broadcast business works. 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Do you ever, maybe you're in an industry, right and 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: maybe your industry gets in the news for some reason, 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you are hearing all these 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: people on television and radio talking about your industry, and 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: you sit there and go, they don't know what the 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: hell they're talking about. I'm sure people have said that 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: listening to us here, God, he doesn't know what he's 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: talking about. 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: I'm in the industry. 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes I get, you know, emails from you, and I 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: appreciate them because maybe sometimes I don't know what I'm 29 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: talking about. I am like you right now, I am 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 1: listening to about twenty four hours of everybody talking about 31 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: the First Amendment and the broadcast industry, and I'm thinking, oh, man, 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: they don't know what it's really like. They don't even 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: know what the law is, they don't know what the 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: whole structure is. So I'm going to tell consider this, 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: you know, my little contribution to the public. Good AM 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: Radios started in the nineteen twenties. About ten twelve years later, 37 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: they came up with the FCC Federal Communications Commission to 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: regulate broadcasting, and the FCC licenses the owners of radio 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: and television stations. The broadcasters don't own the licenses. We 40 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: get them because the government allows us to have them. 41 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: So understand that everybody in broadcast, radio and TV in 42 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: effect reports to the government in a sense. Now cable. No, 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: they have no regulatory capability over cable. When we're in 44 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: regards to content satellite, no streaming, no Internet, no all right, 45 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: all those other forms of communicator, but broadcasting where you 46 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: have a transmitter and you're sending out signals into the air. 47 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: The public owns the airwaves, and the government is representing 48 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: the public and they're supposed to monitor the stations that 49 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: we're all doing something in the public interest. And it's 50 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: been that way for almost one hundred years. And when 51 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: I started in radio, I had to get a license 52 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: from the government to speak on the radio. I grew 53 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: up in New Jersey, and when I was eighteen, I 54 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: drove it to New York City and I had to 55 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: take a test and they gave me an official looking 56 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: certificate that I was now licensed to work at a 57 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: radio station. And one of the duties we all had 58 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: at the radio station was to go to this monitor 59 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: this receiver in the studio and we had to check 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: transmitter readings and we had to write them down. Let 61 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: me tell you, anybody who owned I worked at a 62 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: numb or small local radio stations. They were terrified of 63 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the government, terrified of the FCC. And this is you know, 64 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: going back over thirty five years ago, they were terrified 65 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: of having their license revoked, of getting protest groups or listeners. 66 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: You know, every complaint letter a radio station or TV 67 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: station gets, you have to put them on file, and 68 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: anybody's allowed to come and look at the file. 69 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: It's called the public file. 70 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: And whenever a station is up for renewal of their license, 71 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: they have to announce, hey, we're up for renewal, so 72 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: that those who want to block the renewal can and 73 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: people try once in a great while it even works. 74 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: So it used to be the people terrified of the FCC. 75 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: When I was starting out, every radio station carried news 76 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: all the time, whether no matter what music format you played, 77 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: news was always carried. The were community affairs talk shows 78 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: late Saturday, late Sunday nights into Monday morning. There'd be 79 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: a block of five or six hour public service talk shows. 80 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: There still are, and it was all to meet the 81 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: FCC requirement that we were providing. We were providing programming 82 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: in the public interest, very broad term, never clearly defined, 83 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: so you always knew that was there. And then after 84 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: cable and satellite and streaming and internet, the FCC relaxed 85 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: a lot of its rules, and people kind of forgot 86 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: it existed. I think in the radio industry everything became 87 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: very lase a fair. But over the years, various presidents 88 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: and administrations of both parties have tried to turn the screws. 89 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: Lynden Johnson in the nineteen sixties very unhappy with the 90 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: way that Vietnam War was being covered by the networks. 91 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Richard Dixon famously went to war. In fact, he tried 92 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: to get a talk show host at the time, get 93 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: Caviot off the air. He's on tape as saying to 94 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: his aide, Hey, is there any way we can screw Caviot? 95 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, maybe with a tax investigation or something of 96 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: that nature. There was something until the nineteen eighties called 97 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: the fairness doctrine, the fairness doctrines. There are hardly any 98 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: political talk shows before the late nineteen eighties. In Rush Limbaugh, 99 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: there was a reason for that because of the fairness doctrine. 100 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: If if you had a guest on and they had 101 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: a strong opinion about something, then you had to put 102 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: on the opposing point of view. So if you had 103 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: a somebody railing away about any issue or any kind 104 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: of political political candidate they're on for thirty minutes, you 105 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: had to get the opposition on. 106 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: For thirty minutes. Then nobody really wanted to do a 107 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: show like that. 108 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: So what you had were Larry kingstyle talk shows where 109 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: they post when they would talk to celebrities or they 110 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: would talk to public officials, but only in a very 111 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: general way without any sharp edged opinion. Fairness doctrine was 112 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: repealed nineteen eighty seven, and that's why Rush Limbaugh exploded 113 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, because now he didn't have to 114 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: give three hours of time every day to the opposition. 115 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: The station did not have to do it either. That's 116 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: why KFI existed. KFI became a talk station in nineteen 117 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: eighty nine, and Kenny and I got here in ninety two. 118 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: Bill Handel started going I think he was here going 119 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: back eighty eighty. Became full time in ninety three. But 120 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: that was the demarcation point, was the fairness doctrine. Up 121 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: till then, you weren't allowed to express opinions at length 122 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: unless you put on the other side. So this, you know, 123 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: and we've had activists come at us. As you may know, 124 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: during the Obama administration, there were there was a certain 125 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: uh there was a certain particular advocacy group and they 126 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: were going after us and many other talk show hosts, 127 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: both national and regional. And you know, to create created, 128 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: creating mayhem, and there's you just always have to be 129 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: aware of the environment you're in. And always there are 130 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: political parties involved under the service. There's always an administration 131 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: involved under the service. It's never gone away. And that's 132 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: for news and that's for politics. And we've broadcast stations 133 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: have always required to do certain programming at different times 134 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: over the last one hundred years. And Trump is now 135 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: gone full bore into that because and I know why 136 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: because they did a study a few months ago and 137 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: the three broadcast networks on their newscasts give him ninety 138 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: two percent negative coverage, and so he's he wants revenge. 139 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: Now you get into this murky area of Jimmy Kimmel, who 140 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: started out doing an entertainment show and turned it into 141 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: a political show. And a lot of these guys get 142 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: really harsh and political and they want to hide behind 143 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: the concept of like, well, I'm just an entertainer. Okay, 144 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: you're an entertainer some of the time, but you're a 145 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: political commentator at other times, and When you do. 146 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 2: That, now you're swimming in a whole different waters. 147 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: I got more to say, but I just want to 148 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: sum up this segment by saying, I don't think any 149 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: host should be pressured by the government over what they say. 150 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to be and Jimmy Kimmel shouldn't be. 151 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: Nobody should be pressured by the government to say what 152 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: they want to say on broadcast radio or television. But 153 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: you do have to understand that the government holds the license, 154 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: and you do have to understand that. Let me tell you, 155 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: television executives are among the most frightened people in the world. 156 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: They got so frightened by the woke crowd five years ago, 157 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: and that's why you started seeing all kinds of bizarre 158 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: things on television. You started seeing shows about families where 159 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: it looked as if nobody was related to each other. 160 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: And that's because they were afraid of woke world. Now 161 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: they're afraid of Trump world. Television corporate executives are always afraid, 162 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: and they blow. 163 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: Up the wind. 164 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: They're trying just to make money. And if you make 165 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: a lot of money, you have some protection. To stop 166 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: making money. You don't have protection. I'll get into that 167 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: when we come back. 168 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A 169 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: six forty. 170 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: You know we're going to have on the show right 171 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: after two o'clock Steve Hilton, who's running for governor. In fact, 172 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: he polls the best among all Republicans right now, he's 173 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: in second place overall behind Katie Porter, the Democrat, according 174 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: to Emerson Polling last month. Steve Hilton, he's a former 175 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Fox host, former advisor to British Prime Minister Cameron, and 176 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: he's also a tech entrepreneur. Will have him on because 177 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: he's filing a lawsuit, federal lawsuit to stop Gavin Newsom's 178 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: redistricting plan. 179 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: So oh, that's right after two o'clock. 180 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: But I don't keep talking for a little while about 181 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: this with over here Jimmy Kimmel in his situation, and 182 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: as I was finishing, and just to reiterate for just 183 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: joining us, I don't think any host on radio and 184 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: television should be pressured by the government, no matter what 185 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: he's saying. I don't get upset. A lot of people 186 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: get upset when they hear hosts saying something. If I 187 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: don't like a show, I just turn it off and 188 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: when I hear people upset with what we do here, 189 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: if I'm with an earshot of it, I'll just say, well, 190 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: just turn it off. 191 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: It's not meant for you, all right. 192 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: When I don't like something, I just say to myself 193 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: that was not intended for me. I'm not in the demographic. 194 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: Somebody likes it, it's not me. I don't get mad. 195 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: It'sn't waste my time with it. But I don't know 196 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people are different. So when it comes 197 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: to Jimmy Kimmel, when you work in radio or television, 198 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: you're supposed to bring in revenue. 199 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: That's your main job. 200 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: You're supposed to bring in the audience, but the audience 201 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: has to lead to revenue. There are people who get audiences, 202 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: but those audiences can't be sold to an advertisement. And 203 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: there are people with small audiences who make a lot 204 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: of money because those audiences are very loyal, they respond 205 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: to all the advertising, or they are wealthy, whatever the 206 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: reason is. But primarily, first thing is you got to 207 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: be able to bring in revenue. Now, when I was 208 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: growing up, Johnny Carson was the obviously the king of 209 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: Late Night, and I loved watching his show, and I 210 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: loved watching Jay Leno and David Letterman over the years. 211 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: But Carson brought in seventeen percent of NBC's profits at 212 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: the time, and he used to get about seventeen million 213 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: people a night, sometimes more. I just said Jimmy Kimmel 214 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: his ratings. Kimmel's getting not seventeen million, He's getting in 215 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: one million a night, one million. There are three hundred 216 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: and forty million people in America, and three hundred and 217 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: thirty nine million of them don't bother to watch. Now 218 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: the million that do they enjoyed the show, that's great. 219 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: But if what they said about Stephen Colbert is true 220 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: that he was losing forty million dollars a year and 221 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: Kimmel has less than half of Colbert's audience, well then 222 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: I don't think Kimmel's making any money for ABC. And 223 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: there is something known as not worth it anymore too 224 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: much trouble. Broadcast companies, entertainment companies will put up with 225 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: a lot if they're making a lot of money off you. 226 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: And when you stop making money, it doesn't matter whether 227 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: you are right or wrong, or the advertisers are right 228 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: or wrong, or the host is right or wrong, or 229 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: they had the actives are right wrong, doesn't matter. You're 230 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: not making money, You're it's too much trouble, it's not 231 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: worth it. And that's where Kimmel is. If the numbers 232 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: are true and Colbert was losing forty million dollars a year, 233 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't see how Kimmel is not losing something similar. 234 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: I have never heard of a time, and that's why 235 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: I still don't know if those numbers are true. I've 236 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: never heard of a time where a company would employ 237 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: somebody and give them a two hundred person staff like 238 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert had lose forty million dollars a year. I've 239 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: just said that that's unheard of to me, unless somebody 240 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: else was subsidizing it, or unless the parent company had 241 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: a political motivation. 242 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. 243 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conspiracy theories, but I don't know 244 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: any of that. Someday I do, then it'll clear things up. 245 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: So my suspicion is that Jimmy Kimmel had a money 246 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: losing operation like Colbert, And my suspicion is that Jimmy Fallon, 247 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: who has even a smaller audience, is also a big 248 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: money losing operation. Because people simply don't watch broadcast television 249 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: at eleven thirty at night anymore, and the audiences have 250 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: plummeted in the last ten years since Lenno and Letterman 251 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: left the scene. These guys, for the most part, went 252 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: full political, full woke, anti Trump, pro Democrats, pro progressive, 253 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: and it got pretty vicious. And again I don't think 254 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: they should be kicked off the air for any of 255 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: those things. If you get an audience and you make money, 256 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: because if they were getting like if Colbert or Kimmel 257 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: were making the money that Johnny Carson made for NBC, 258 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: if they were responsible for seventeen percent of the profits, 259 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: they'd still be there. And Disney would go to court 260 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: or CBS would go to court and tell Trump to 261 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: go pound sand and there'd be a big fight. But no, 262 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: it's too much trouble. You're not worth it. That's the 263 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: situation he's in. And I have read so much and 264 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: heard so much nonsense from people who just don't understand. 265 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: This is not a the first I said this the 266 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: other day. The First Amendment means the government cannot prevent 267 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: you from expressing your opinion and cannot punish you and 268 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: take your freedoms away for expressing it. You the person, 269 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: but Jimmy kimillal go on a street corner and say 270 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: whatever he wants. The government can't do anything. But when 271 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: you're have broadcast licenses, you're in bed with the government. 272 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: It's may be wrong. 273 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: I said, nobody ought to lose their job because the 274 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: government puts pressure. But as I told you in the 275 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: first segment, everybody in broadcast TV and radio has been 276 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: living with this since the invention of radio and television, 277 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: and there's many incidents over the years. The comedy team 278 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: the Smothers Brothers famously got fired by CBS because their 279 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: comedy sketches were too anti Richard Dixon, too anti war. 280 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: There's always this tension of a perfect, pure world. So, yeah, 281 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: you have the First Amendment to say what you want, 282 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: but when you have a broadcast license at stake, not really, 283 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: And probably if the people at ABC were smarter, they 284 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: would have clipped out some of the comments, maybe urged 285 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Kimmel to change directions. 286 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: Maybe he would have quit. 287 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was clear you were steering 288 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: into different waters. Now it just depends whether you want 289 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: to survive or not. All right, got work coming up. 290 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 291 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: six forty. 292 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: Just a couple of more things because there were so 293 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: many angles to this Jimmy Kennel situation. Another major component 294 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: to this, extremely important is that ABC is a network, 295 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: but they only own relatively few stations themselves in the 296 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: big cities like New York, LA, Chicago own and operated stations, 297 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: but most of the affiliates are not owned by ABC, 298 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: and so you have to play ball with your affiliate owners. 299 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: And there is a company called Nextstar, which owns thirty 300 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: ABC affiliates, runs Jimmy Kimmel in all those markets, and 301 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: they had to get approval from the FCC firm a purchase. 302 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: They want to buy another television a company called Tenga, 303 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: and to buy Tenga you need approval from the FCC 304 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: because Tenga has television stations as well. And so that's 305 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: when they decided, or maybe they got the message that, hey, 306 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: you want this approved. You're running Jimmy Kimmel in thirty cities. 307 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: Maybe you shouldn't. Maybe they felt that way themselves. I 308 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: don't know. Another company called Sinclair, which is known to 309 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: be run by conservative executives, they also said they weren't 310 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: going to run Kimmel's show for the time being. Well, 311 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: now you've lost a big chunk of the country. You 312 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: have two major television companies for the smaller and medium markets. 313 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: But it's you know, covers a lot of territory and 314 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: affiliates get to say in all this. And again I 315 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: knew this firsthand. We were syndicated for a few years. 316 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: Now you don't really need to be because you know, 317 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: with the iHeartRadio app we're on in all fifty states 318 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: and around the world. But years ago, if you wanted 319 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: to go to other markets, you had to be syndicated, 320 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: and I would get calls from affiliates all the time. 321 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: And you have no idea how insane a lot of 322 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: people are who own broadcast stations or manage them or 323 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: holy I mean, there's a lot of crazy people out there, 324 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: and certain towns and certain markets didn't know what to 325 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: make of us. But you have to deal with them. 326 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: That's the business. You can't go, oh, I have a 327 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: First Amendment, right, it's. 328 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 2: Stick. It just stick. 329 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: It got to play ball with people the way the 330 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: world is. And then one more note on the fairness doctrine. 331 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: I mentioned that this was the law up until the 332 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: late nineteen eighties, where if you had somebody with a 333 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: controversial political opinion, you had to give equal time to 334 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: the other side. And that lasted, I think until nineteen 335 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: eighty seven, and then they got rid of it, and 336 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: then suddenly you had modern talk radio. 337 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: Rush Limbough and all the rest. 338 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: The Democrats periodically been very frustrated with the political tilt 339 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: of modern talk radio, and they have tried to revive 340 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: the fairness doctrine. They never got it passed, but that's 341 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: what they wanted to do. There were definitely bills introduced, 342 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: and there were definitely strong statements made that they wanted 343 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: to dismantle a station like KFI, and they wanted to 344 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: dismantle similar stations and other cities. So spare me the 345 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: hypocrisy of all these left wing people howling about First 346 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: Amendment rights, because what they wanted to do was put 347 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: modern talk radio entirely out of business. They weren't interested 348 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: in the First Amendment rights of any of the hosts 349 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: or any of the listeners who chose to listen to it. 350 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: They just thought it had become too much of a 351 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: political force, too much influence, and maybe we ought to 352 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: write a federal law to get rid of it, which 353 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: is what they had basically until nineteen eighty seven, where 354 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: you really couldn't have a great exchange of political opinion. 355 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: So I know, I hear a tremendous amount of hypocrisy, 356 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of ignorance, people who just don't understand 357 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: how the world works. The FCC has always been the 358 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: daddy that broadcasters had to report to. There is no owner, 359 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: how big you are. You could be Disney, you could 360 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: be Comcast which owns NBC, the New CBS owners, they 361 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: all got to report to the FCC, just like I 362 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: was in nineteen thirty four, just like it's always been 363 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: because back then in nineteen thirty four, there was only 364 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: a handful of AM stations. There were no FM, no TV, 365 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: and they were afraid that crazy people would take over 366 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: the stations and have an extreme influence on the public. 367 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: And they couldn't allow that. 368 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: So they had it highly regulated, highly regulated, the frequency 369 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: you're on, highly regulated, how many how much. 370 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: Power you have? 371 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: Highly regulated? Four until nineteen eighty seven. Your content, I mean, 372 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was a kid, I'd be listening 373 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: to the top forty station New York, and every half 374 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: are they every twenty five minutes they had to stop 375 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: and run five minutes of news. 376 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear the news. They do our long. 377 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: Newscast middle of all the hits. They'd run hours and 378 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: hours of public service programming on Sunday nights. I want 379 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: to do music on Sunday nights. I couldn't because the 380 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: FCC said so. So these people howling about the FCC, 381 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: howling about the First Amendment, you're just full of it. 382 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: It's never been that way for broadcasting. But everybody's used 383 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: to growing up in a world of internet streaming, cable, satellite, 384 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: where you can say anything you want. 385 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: There are no limits. 386 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: Like I said the other day, people are very upset 387 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: with immigration law being enforced. 388 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: It's because they. 389 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: Never saw it before. But the law has always been there. Well, 390 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: the FCC has always been there. It's just that for 391 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: the past thirty odd years, nobody there really cared very much. 392 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: But it was always there, and maybe you just didn't 393 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: grow up at a time over the last thirty years 394 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: where the FCC mattered, Well, it always did and now 395 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: it does again. And debate to the end of time 396 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: whether that's right or wrong, but it's not going to 397 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: change any time soon. And one more thing here that 398 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: just broke. Jimmy Kimmel was did not want to apologize 399 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: for his remarks and said he was going to double 400 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: down on going after Trump's Magi backers before they took 401 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: him off the air, because maybe it's time to play 402 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: the clip. 403 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: Could you play the clip? 404 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: And I'm probably only gonna play a few seconds of it, 405 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: But this is what he said the other night. 406 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 4: We hit some new lows over the weekend with the 407 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: Magga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered 408 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and 409 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: do everything they can to score political points from it. 410 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: In between the freaks, you can stop it there. So 411 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: he was implied that it was a Maga guy who 412 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: shot Charlie Kirk. That was wrong, that was false, And 413 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: by the time he makes those comments, he should have 414 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: own that. 415 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't know that. I can't tell you what was. 416 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: Going on in his head, and he wanted to go 417 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: back out last night and say more things about the 418 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: Maga crowd. What he said was false and it was 419 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: just really wrong considering what happened to Charlie Kirk. Charlie 420 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: Kirk didn't do anything, Jimmy Kimmel, And then when you 421 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: talk about the wife and kids witnessing the murder, that 422 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: was just stupid, and not to apologize, and then to 423 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: continue wanting to blame these imaginary MAGA supporters who shot 424 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. I don't know what's going on in the 425 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: guy's head, but in this climate, ABC and Disney said 426 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: enough because, like I told you before, what I read 427 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: is true. Kimmel's ratings, he's only got a million people watching. 428 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Johnny Carson had seventeen billion. Johnny Carson had seventeen percent 429 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: of NBC's profits credited to him. Kimo has no zero percent, 430 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: and it's probably believed based on Stephen colbert situation. Probably 431 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: he's losing tens of millions of dollars for ABC and Disney. 432 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: So why you would do that, I don't know. But 433 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: all right, now, that's enough for now. We'll talk more 434 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: about it. After three o'clock. 435 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM 436 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 3: six forty. 437 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: After two o'clock, we're gonna have Steve Hilton on. Steve 438 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Hilton is the leading Republican candidate for governor in California. 439 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: He's second in the overall rankings, behind the Democrat Katie Porter, 440 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: and he's ahead of the other major Republican in the race, 441 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: Chad Bianco. We've ever talked to Steve before. We're talking 442 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: to him on a specific issue. He's filed a federal 443 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: lawsuit to stop Gavin Newsom's redistricting plan. And you'll be 444 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: the first time you'll hear him. And he's a fascinating guy, 445 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: a fascinating background. He used to be an advisor to 446 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: the British Prime Minister. He's started a tech company. Parents 447 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: were from Hungary, he grew up in England. He came 448 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: to this country and he was a Fox News host 449 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: for about six years and he still as a commentator. 450 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: And I think he's got a lot to say that 451 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: you'll want to hear. And we'll have him on coming 452 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: up in minutes. You may be wondering where all these 453 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 1: people got their bizarre political beliefs from. Well, there's a 454 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: college back east called Oberlin College. It is the most 455 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: whack job, far left wing progressive college in the entire country. 456 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: And they produce women like Julia ju Xu. That's how 457 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: you say her name. And this is what she posted 458 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: this week. 459 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 5: So the day after Charlie Kirk died, I was in class. 460 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 5: My teacher said, I'll give you five minutes for hot 461 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 5: takes about Charlie Kirk. I was the only person who 462 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 5: raise their hand. I said, I've been saying we need 463 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 5: to bring back political assassinations. I don't feel bad, and 464 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 5: I don't think that everyone deserves the right to free speech. 465 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 5: I think some people should be afraid to express their 466 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 5: opinion in public. So this class is literally about revolution 467 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 5: in China. All of our readings for this month, I've 468 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: been talking about how violent revolution liberated millions of people 469 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 5: at liberated women. And then our reading for that day 470 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 5: was specifically about democratic dictatorship, where Mao writes about, yes, 471 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 5: people deserve free speech, but there should not be free 472 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 5: speech for reactionaries and imperialists and capitalists and all these 473 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 5: people who are enemies of the revolution, because that would 474 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 5: reverse the progress that was made there. 475 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: We go, this is what's going on, not just her, 476 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of other students, and it's being taught 477 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: to them in these classes. And she was influenced by 478 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: her what she learned about Chairman Mau in China and 479 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: Listen to her resume. She's on the advisory board of 480 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: the campus group the Gender, Sexuality and Attraction Initiatives. It's 481 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: an office that supports queer trands and women's programming at 482 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: the school. 483 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: He uses, she uses. 484 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: They then pronouns and is a member of Students for 485 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: a Free Palestine. So there you got the hull jackpot there, 486 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: and she thinks we need to bring back political assassinations 487 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: so we can get our freedoms back. All right, more 488 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: coming up, We're going to talk to Steve Hilton, the 489 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: leading Republican candidate for governor. We're going to talk specifically 490 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: this time about the lawsuit hes filed against Gavin Newsom. 491 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: Federal lawsuit over Newsom is what he says is an 492 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: illegal and unconstitutional redish plan. 493 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: That is next. 494 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 495 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: You can always hear the show live on KFI AM 496 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 497 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.