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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful little eleven year old girl, Madelina.

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Speaker 1: Her photos are all gone. Then there's the.

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Speaker 2: Hidden bag of cash, and why is a priest in

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Speaker 2: another country pay thousands and thousands of dollars? What does

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Speaker 2: that have to do with this eleven year old girl?

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Speaker 1: Where is Madelina?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nissy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Investigators have developed and followed nearly two hundred and fifty leads,

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Speaker 3: spending across state lines and across the globe. We have

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Speaker 3: interviewed hundreds of people in North Carolina and other states,

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Speaker 3: and again across the globe. We went door to door

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Speaker 3: to at least two hundred and forty five homes, focusing

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Speaker 3: on the Victoria Bay community where Maddelena lives. We canvas

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Speaker 3: businesses and scoured through hours of surveillance video from all

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Speaker 3: over the area. We also led land and water searches

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Speaker 3: around Lake Corneis.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing Deputy Chief Jennifer Thompson joining US. Deputy

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Speaker 2: chief of Cornelia's Police Department, been with l E over

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Speaker 2: twenty years. Believe it or not, Let's go straight out

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Speaker 2: to the Deputy Chief Chief. You were just describing an

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Speaker 2: exhaustive search so far for this eleven year old little girl, Madelina.

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Speaker 1: What I hear?

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Speaker 2: What all you and your people, men and women dedicated,

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Speaker 2: have done. It's got to get exhaustive, exhausting. And I

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Speaker 2: was looking at door to door to at least two

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Speaker 2: hundred forty five homes just before I get into her

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Speaker 2: disappearance and the missing photos, and the bag of cash,

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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars of cash, and then the priest in

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Speaker 2: another country getting paid thousands of dollars. Well, I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about what you and your team have done

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Speaker 2: so far to find her. How did you organize a

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Speaker 2: search of two door to door two hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: five homes at least and when did that happen?

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Speaker 1: It happened pretty early on.

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Speaker 4: We had the assistants with the FBI and the State

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Speaker 4: Bureau of Investigations here in North Carolina. We arranged a

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Speaker 4: border door canvas of Madelina's neighborhood. So hundreds of law

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Speaker 4: enforcement officers teamed up and literally went door to door,

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Speaker 4: knocking each door, seeing if anybody knew anything, heard anything,

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Speaker 4: had any information on Madelina.

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Speaker 5: If they you know what.

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Speaker 6: Her kind of everyday activities was and if we didn't,

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Speaker 6: if we weren't able to make contact with somebody, we

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Speaker 6: followed up. So uh, literally each door we knocked on

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Speaker 6: and made sure we made contact with somebody.

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Speaker 2: Deputy Chief, question, you brought in such a variety of

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Speaker 2: LA law enforcement, from the FBI to various local agencies.

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Speaker 1: How do you pay them all? It's got to be

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Speaker 1: over time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when it comes to how do we pay all

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Speaker 5: these officers that came in to assist us. From the beginning,

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Speaker 5: that money did not matter to us. A lot of

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Speaker 5: our officers who were off on the days of the

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Speaker 5: searches volunteered their time to come in. We paid them,

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Speaker 5: you know, so that money wasn't even on our radar.

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Speaker 5: It was it was hitting the streets to try to

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Speaker 5: find out information about Madelina. So the FEDS and the

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Speaker 5: state agencies and the other agencies that helped us out.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they sent people and it did not matter

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Speaker 5: what it was going to cost.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: So often, Chief, when we hear anything in the media

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Speaker 2: about LA law enforcement, it's bad. It's always police brutality,

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Speaker 2: Police did this, somebody used drugs, bl blah blah, And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's not true. What I am saying

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Speaker 2: of the most honorable people I have ever met, or

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Speaker 2: a law enforcement and I'm just thinking about when Madeleina

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Speaker 2: goes missing, it's all hands on deck, whether they're getting

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Speaker 1: Homes door to door.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned two things that really struck me. You refer

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Speaker 2: to her or the situation in the past.

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Speaker 1: That's all that finding Madelena was all was all that mattered.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about past tense there because with all of

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Speaker 2: the evidence that we're digging up from these newly released

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Speaker 2: documents regarding Moldova, it's very very, let me just say,

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Speaker 2: intriguing that she disappears and a priest there is paid

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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars. There's just a lot of trail to follow.

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Speaker 2: But Chief the FBI, how did they get into this?

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Speaker 5: We called them. We knew that we needed assistants greater

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Speaker 5: than what we had the manpower for. They have experience

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Speaker 5: obviously in working missing persons cases, and they were on

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Speaker 5: help of the FBI and Saetgur of Investigations, it was

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Speaker 5: all hands on deck pretty much from the get go.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm noticing with me is renowned death investigator,

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Speaker 2: professor forensics Joseph Scott and Morgan at Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 2: which has an incredible criminal justice and criminal procedure.

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Speaker 1: Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Host of a hit series Bodybags with Josephcott Morgan, Joe Scott,

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Speaker 2: You and I have been called in over time so

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Speaker 2: many times, and the chief is right. You don't think about, Wow,

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Speaker 2: I'm not getting paid for this. You think about the victim.

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Speaker 2: And it's in this case it's really a race against

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Speaker 2: the clock because when you've got a missing child, you're

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Speaker 2: thinking has she been kidnapped?

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Speaker 1: Has she been taken?

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Speaker 2: Every hour if somebody's driving this speed limit is sixty mph,

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Speaker 2: sixty more miles away. And I don't think that way

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Speaker 7: No, you don't. And you know, the old timers used

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Speaker 7: to refer to it as sleeping in your shoes, you know,

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Speaker 7: because time is of the essence. You're going to move

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Speaker 7: about and try to process every angle that you possibly can't.

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Speaker 7: You know, one of the interesting things about this case

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Speaker 7: is that You've got a major, a major thoroughfare, Interstate

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Speaker 7: highway that runs through this area, and I can only

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Speaker 7: imagine the authorities explored this to the extent that they

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Speaker 7: could at the time with seventy seven. I was seventy

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Speaker 7: seven running north and south, and just that roadway alone

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Speaker 7: and having access to it can get you just about

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Speaker 7: any place that you need to go in America. And

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Speaker 7: so time is of the sain. Every time you delay,

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Speaker 7: every time you wait that you're not deploying teams of people.

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Speaker 7: The individual in this case is poor child that's getting

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Speaker 7: further and further away potentially.

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Speaker 2: WT Chief Jennifer Thompson joining us at Cornelius PD Chief.

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Speaker 2: I have been told from other interviews that your people

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Speaker 2: were actually running. Some of them were running from door

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Speaker 2: they might search the curtilage, the buildings or the land

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Speaker 2: around the home, and they would literally jog to the

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Speaker 2: next door. You had to be thinking about what Jesseph

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan just said. That interstate that's so close, so

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Speaker 5: Right, we were thinking all sorts of things were going

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Speaker 5: through our heads. I mean the Interstate, the tom frame,

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Speaker 5: And you know, every missing person's case is important, but

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Speaker 5: you know, an eleven year old girl. Lots of us

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Speaker 5: in law enforcement that were here during that time are parents,

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Speaker 5: and so we knew the importance of getting out there

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Speaker 5: in the streets and talking in front of people. We

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Speaker 5: knew that was most important.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is a renowned attorney, criminal defense attorney Derek

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Speaker 2: Smith at DW Smith Legal dot com. Derek, when you

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Speaker 2: look at these photos, as you and I have looked

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Speaker 2: at so many missing children, murdered children, kidnapped children, children

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Speaker 2: that are part of a custody battle and they disappear.

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Speaker 2: Did you see these photos, Derek? I mean this little girl.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at the pictures. She is at Christmas

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Speaker 2: getting presents. It looks at one point that she is

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Speaker 2: at Yellowstone because.

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Speaker 1: I see a steaming pool of.

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Speaker 2: Water behind or there she is, you know, at there.

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Speaker 2: That looks like to me when I took the children

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Speaker 2: to Yellowstone. I mean, this child seems very loved. Look

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Speaker 2: at all those candles one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

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Speaker 2: eight nine. That looks like her tenth birthday And that

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Speaker 2: doesn't just happen Derek all of these photos showing all

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Speaker 2: of these events in front of a dessert at a

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Speaker 2: being loved. This child, somehow, somewhere along the way there

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Speaker 2: she is at Myrtle Beach was deeply loved, or Derek

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Speaker 2: Smith is like the House of Horrors. Remember that out

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Speaker 2: in California where the mom and dad would parade all

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Speaker 2: the children, like eleven of them out in matching outfits

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Speaker 2: some Christmas card, all the while they were being tortured inside.

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Speaker 1: But we don't get any hint of that here.

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Speaker 2: And in that case the Turpins, let me bring them

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Speaker 2: up to Ghule straight from hell. The Turpins homeschool their children,

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: My point is they were never really let out like

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Speaker 1: Madalena is.

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Speaker 2: She goes to school. She isn't swimming where she could

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Speaker 2: tell people if she wanted to, anything that was happening

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Speaker 2: at home, unlike the Turping case where the children were

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Speaker 2: literally chained to the beds. Okay, we don't have that here,

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Speaker 2: but we're seeing all of this evidence of real love.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, that's what makes these kind of cases so

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Speaker 8: tragic and so difficult. I mean, you can tell, as

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Speaker 8: you see in some of these cases with children victims

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Speaker 8: or one missing, you can see when you get some

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Speaker 8: of the photos from the family, how they're manufactured. You know,

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Speaker 8: this isn't really how they act. It's to see these

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Speaker 8: pictures don't seem to match reality, but it's not. In

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Speaker 8: this case. She looks genuinely happy, The parents look happy,

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Speaker 8: they look they look like a normal, regular happy family.

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Speaker 8: So what is going on here behind the scenes? What

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Speaker 8: are we missing? And that's the thing that's really makes.

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Speaker 2: You wish you to think, or maybe, Derek, we're not

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Speaker 2: missing anything within the home. Of course, the first place

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Speaker 2: you look when a child goes missing is in the home.

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Speaker 2: But to doctor Heidi Green, following up on this train

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Speaker 2: of thought, let's follow it through to its logical conclusion.

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Speaker 1: You see from when she's.

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Speaker 2: A little girl, all the activities, all the photos, all

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Speaker 2: the videos, every which depicts everything they're doing.

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Speaker 1: For guys.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Heidie Green, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist, author. You can

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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Heidigreen dot com. Yes, pictures can lie,

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Speaker 2: of course, they can lie, saying that a million times,

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Speaker 2: but these are not just snaps. They are out doing activities,

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Speaker 2: out with trips with the family, celebrating a birthday. That's

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Speaker 2: a family birthday. There's not a lot of kids around there.

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Speaker 2: They're having a family birthday, maybe at the supper table.

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Speaker 2: I've see Disney Yo Semite, Myrtle Beach. It paints a

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Speaker 2: picture of a very happy family. So I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: put the pieces together, figure out has this child been

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Speaker 2: spirit away? To Jamal Dave, I just but what do

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Speaker 2: the pictures, if anything, tell you, Doctor Heide, This was

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Speaker 9: Thing that I was so struck by as well. You

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Speaker 9: mentioned the case from California, and in that case, even

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Speaker 9: in those pictures, you could see that some of the

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Speaker 9: children were emaciated. You could see that some of the

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Speaker 9: children had sunken eyes, but not in this case. Her

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Speaker 9: eyes are bright and shining. She's making very exuberant facial expressions.

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Speaker 9: She looks well fed. This does not look like a

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Speaker 9: child who is being tortured or is living under any

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Speaker 9: sort of distress whatsoever. Her facial expressions, her body expressions

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Speaker 9: say that she is a genuinely happy child. And it

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Speaker 9: does give a sense that this is a child who

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Speaker 2: You're the professor of forensics at Jacksonville State. I just

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Speaker 2: very intuitive. A lot of us may look at those

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Speaker 1: There she is at Myrtle Beach. What do you see?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm not seeing anything amiss in these photos and videos.

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Speaker 7: Nothing, there's no wasting, there's no physical wasting, no diminishment.

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Speaker 7: You know, looking at this and you know for us,

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Speaker 7: because you can get a snapshot of the history, not

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: You see the last known depiction of eleven year old

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Speaker 2: Madelina Coach. Great, there she is, there, she is, Nothing

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Speaker 2: Let's play it on a loop for a moment. Everybody's

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Speaker 2: never seen again. Joining me an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: how many times did you look at that video for

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Speaker 5: Hundreds at least doing the same thing you did you

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Speaker 2: Joining me, Elaine outa Das investigative reporter, former reporter, People Magazine, Elaine,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. This case has been

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Speaker 10: When I look at that video, I just see a

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Speaker 2: A Deputy Chief Thompson, I assume you guys interviewed her

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Speaker 2: oh gosh, there's a stat Deputy Chief that about well

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Speaker 2: over thirty three percent of all missing children revolve around

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Speaker 5: We talked to everyone that you just mentioned. We sent

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Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you this much just got Morgan.

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Speaker 2: You don't just get off the school bus and dematerialize, Okay,

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Speaker 2: That doesn't happen. So I'm trying to figure out what,

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Speaker 2: I want to know what's in her backpack. I want

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Speaker 2: to know did she take her regular route home? Was

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Speaker 2: Was it close to her home?

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Speaker 5: It was close to her home?

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Speaker 1: How close corner?

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Speaker 5: I mean right near her house, not far at all

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Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, but you know, we've handled cases, investigated

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Speaker 1: Way to the bus stop.

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Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, being Omby, I'll never get his case

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Speaker 2: again for years. He had been taken by a mail predator.

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Speaker 2: to Elaine on a DS. Elaine, I've got a real

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Speaker 10: More than three weeks later on December fifteenth. Because they

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Speaker 10: to Madelina's mother and asked where she was. They left

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Speaker 11: On December fifteenth, Diana Kojacari tells the Bailey Middle School

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Speaker 11: searching for Medelina right away and begin work on a

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Speaker 12: The FBI joins local police in the search for Madelina

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something, lyne on ideas she's last

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Speaker 2: That is when a missing person's report is filed. When

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, what did that have to do with anything?

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Speaker 1: What that doesn't even make.

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Speaker 10: Sense to me, Elaine, I know, so it seems, you know,

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Speaker 10: I mean it's twenty twenty five. People have cell phones,

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Speaker 1: Have you seen her?

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Speaker 10: No one has seen her.

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Speaker 1: They don't talk about what you're making my head hurt.

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Speaker 2: A Deputy Chief Jennifer Thompson, hasn't anybody heard of Life

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Speaker 1: That is not happening.

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Speaker 2: And so the husband comes home and she does say,

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Speaker 1: See none of this is fitting together with me. It's

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Speaker 5: There are certain parts of that that are part of

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Speaker 1: What do you mean it was in one of the affidavits.

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Speaker 2: What was in one of the affidavits?

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Speaker 5: What the other lady just spoke about? Was that mentioned

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Speaker 1: Did they ever tell you what the argument was about?

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Speaker 5: Never really got a clear understanding as to what the

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Speaker 1: See right they are.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it, chief because to Heidie Green, I

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Speaker 2: So was the argument about something silly like that or

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Speaker 9: Nancy, you're a mother.

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Speaker 13: I'm a mother.

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Speaker 9: Anyone who's a parent who's watching this nose that there

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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Heidie Green, talk about an urgent nine

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Speaker 1: Period of time.

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Speaker 2: Does the name tot mom, Casey Anthony ring a bell.

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Speaker 1: It's not her that calls nine on one.

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Speaker 2: baby Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Listen to her on the nine one one.

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Speaker 14: Oh, my daughter, babysomer, I need to find her.

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Speaker 5: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where you kind

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Speaker 5: of took her a.

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Speaker 14: Month ago, that that my daughter's been looking for I

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Speaker 14: told you my daughter was looking for a month. I've

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Speaker 14: just found her today that I can't find my granddaughter.

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Speaker 14: She just admitted to me she's been trying to find

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Speaker 14: for herself. There's something wrong. I found my daughter's cars

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Speaker 14: to day and it's not sent a deadlock.

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Speaker 5: Okay, what is the three year old's name?

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Speaker 14: Chailey cy l Ee Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Now that is a concerned grandparent. So, Derek Smith, you're

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Speaker 2: a veteran criminal defense attorney. You try cases all over

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Speaker 2: your jurisdiction, won.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them.

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Speaker 2: So I smell a rat that nobody can tell me

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Speaker 2: this is the night that Madeline disappears or is shuttled

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Speaker 2: off to another location.

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: That leads me to the next question. Why would she

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Speaker 2: be sent overseas or elsewhere? This eleven year old girl?

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Speaker 2: How do we find out about a big bag of money?

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Speaker 2: Why is a priest in Moldova paid off thousands of dollars?

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Speaker 1: Four thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: Now, Derek Smith, they can't tell me what that argument

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Speaker 2: was about, and I want to know why.

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Speaker 1: You know there's a problem there, right, Oh, absolutely.

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Speaker 8: There's a problem. But you know as well as I

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Speaker 8: do what we were working in this and it's the

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Speaker 8: one thing that can overcome the love of you know,

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Speaker 8: of another, especially if a child is fear and in this,

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Speaker 8: in this situation, I believe there is some genuine fear

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Speaker 8: going on, fear of what we still don't know. But

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Speaker 8: as we were you know, we heard from the other

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Speaker 8: panelists here, every every parent and their child goes missing

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Speaker 8: for a short amount of time, they're going to freak out.

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Speaker 8: They're going to call people, they're going to try to

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Speaker 8: find out what's going on. It didn't happen here. No,

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Speaker 8: why didn't that happen here? Maybe because somebody knows what's

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Speaker 8: going on and they're afraid to bring that out for

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Speaker 8: whatever reason. They're afraid of their spouse. As the mother

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Speaker 8: was saying that she was afraid that something might happen

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Speaker 8: with the husband if she were to say something. Maybe

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Speaker 8: that's a possibility. Maybe something going on that we don't

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Speaker 8: even know about. That's an extra party in this that

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Speaker 8: she's afraid of. But the one thing that will stop

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Speaker 8: someone that loves and cares about the other is fear.

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Speaker 8: Fear for themselves, fear for their daughter in this case,

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Speaker 8: possibly fear from a spouse.

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Speaker 2: We just know this, then we learn about sightings credible

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Speaker 2: sightings of eleven year old Madeleina, and we learn about

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Speaker 2: an attempt to smuggle her out of the country.

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Speaker 13: For what investigators believe. Madelina's mother took a trip to

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Speaker 13: the mountains of North Carolina during the three week period

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Speaker 13: that she failed to report her daughter missing. Unsealed search

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Speaker 13: warrants state that Kojakari sent a text message in early

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Speaker 13: December indicating that she was in the presence of the

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Speaker 13: missing child. Ko Jakari claimed to be searching for Madalina.

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Speaker 13: Less than two weeks later, surveillance photos captured a girl

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Speaker 13: and a man at Loew's Foods. The man reported to

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Speaker 13: be Madeleina's only known blood relative in the US. Sirch

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Speaker 13: warrants revealed that Diana Kojakari asked a distant relative if

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Speaker 13: he would help with smuggling her and Madelina away from

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Speaker 13: her bad relationship with her husband.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 12: Search warrants reveal in the weeks after Madelina's disappearance that

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Speaker 12: Diana Kojakari pays a priest in Moldova a combined four

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Speaker 12: thousand dollars after talking with him by the phone for

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Speaker 12: more than ten minutes. It was determined by Cornelia's police

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Speaker 12: detective Gina Patterson that Western Union money was sent to

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Speaker 12: Diana Kojakari's mother and a priest in Moldova.

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Speaker 1: Why then we learn even more listen.

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Speaker 12: Madelina Kojakari's grandmother, Rodka ko Jakari, through a translator, accuses

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Speaker 12: Diana's husband, Christopher Palmitter, of trafficking Diana and Madelina for

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Speaker 12: five million dollars. While that might seem a wild accusation,

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Speaker 12: a search warrant suggests Diana and Rodka Kojakari contacted a

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Speaker 12: distant relative asking if he would help in smuggling Diana

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Speaker 12: and Madelina from their home in North Carolina. Before Madelina disappeared,

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Speaker 12: Diana told the relative she was in a bad relationship

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Speaker 12: with Palmitter and I wanted a divorce, paying.

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Speaker 2: A priest in another country in Maltova thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 2: We also learned that the mom was spotted with a

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Speaker 2: huge amount of cash.

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Speaker 1: All that money seems to belie.

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Speaker 2: The claim that this was all because she wanted to

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Speaker 2: get out of a relationship. She could do that right

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Speaker 2: here in the US. So to WSU Jennifer Thompson. Why

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Speaker 2: pay a priest four thousand dollars? Why is mom seeing

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Speaker 2: with stacks of cash?

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Speaker 5: What do you think the priest situation? You know, her

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Speaker 5: being from Moldova and some of her religious beliefs. You know,

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Speaker 5: it was explained to us that it was sent for prayers.

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Speaker 5: You know, throughout the investigation we have uncovered some other oa.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, whoa wait, four thousand dollars for prayers. Here

533
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Speaker 2: in the US, you can get prayers for three for free.

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Speaker 2: I can say prayer right now and it won't cost

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Speaker 2: me a nickel. Four thousand dollars for a priest in

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Speaker 2: Moldova to pray.

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Speaker 1: Really, you bought that?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I didn't say we bought it. I just said that's

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Speaker 5: what we were told initially.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm taking you didn't buy it. Praise the Lord,

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Speaker 2: Deputy Chief. I've only heard good things about you, and

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Speaker 2: you scared me there for a moment, But then we're

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Speaker 2: learning more.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 13: One theory is that Madelina may have been the victim

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Speaker 13: of human trafficking. Court documents detailed call in which ko

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Speaker 13: Jakari and her mother discuss a large bag of money

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Speaker 13: and a theory that the girl's stepfather gave the girl

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Speaker 13: away for money. Palmeter is hurting calls with his brother

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Speaker 13: and sister in law, saying Diana Kojacari had a lot

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Speaker 13: of cash and he didn't know where she got it.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Elaine Atadias investigative reporter formerly with People magazine, Elaine,

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Speaker 2: you have scoured all the court records, all the documents,

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Speaker 2: all the affidavits. Is there anything to this theory? And

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Speaker 2: where did all that money come from? I mean, that

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Speaker 2: is that's what they're trying to find out.

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Speaker 10: I mean they put search warrants for a safety deposit box,

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Speaker 10: loan records, credit cards, bank accounts, their telephones, So police

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Speaker 10: have scoured everything trying to find out who's getting money.

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Speaker 10: Is that what this is all about? I mean, we

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Speaker 10: don't know what the reason anyone's being paid, but we

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Speaker 10: do know that Diana paid four thousand dollars to a priest,

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Speaker 10: that is what we know for.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and had conversations about smuggling the child to another country.

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Speaker 2: But my question is why why send the child all

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Speaker 2: the way to Moldova and why is the mom still here?

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Speaker 2: But based on discoveries by Deputy Chi Jennifer Thompson and others.

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Speaker 2: Another and possibly more sinister picture appears.

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Speaker 12: The North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation search warrant shows

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Speaker 12: investigators seized a phone early in the investigation that identified

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Speaker 12: with a Discord account with thirty seven unread messages. Investigators

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Speaker 12: believe the Discord account belongs to Madelina. The same Warren

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Speaker 12: noted this investigation involves the belief sexual exploitation of a

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Speaker 12: minor child victim. Discord is a voice, video and chat

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Speaker 12: app popular among video gamers, but Chile predators are known

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Speaker 12: to use Discord to groom victims and trade sexual exploitation material.

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Speaker 2: Do we have the crux of her disappearance? Is she

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Speaker 2: dead or alive? Was she sex exploited? Was she trafficked

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Speaker 2: for sex? J Justscott Morgan? Could you explain what is

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Speaker 2: in Discord?

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, it's actually if you're around kids, which I'm

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Speaker 7: around a lot of them college students that are gamers,

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Speaker 7: it's they have the ability to hop onto these networks

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Speaker 7: and talk to one another. And there's also, as was

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Speaker 7: mentioned in the report, a video element to this as well.

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Speaker 7: So you're already in a community of people that might

588
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Speaker 7: be made up of underage people and all it takes

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Speaker 7: is for some predator out there to get their hooks

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Speaker 7: into some kind of linkage through Discord and you can

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Speaker 7: begin to talk to individuals. Also, Look, there are many

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Speaker 7: disaffected kids that are out there, and if they have

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Speaker 7: someone that pops onto their feed that just wants to

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Speaker 7: be their friend, quote unquote, it can be quite dicey

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Speaker 7: at best.

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Speaker 2: Let me go now to WT Chief Jennifer Thompson, what

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Speaker 2: do you make of this little girl having thirty seven messages?

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Speaker 2: Obviously some of them sex related because now the investigation

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Speaker 2: is veering into a sexploitation of a child direction.

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Speaker 5: Super concerning, and those search warrants were done in the

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Speaker 5: beginning of the investigation through a North Carolina SBI investigator

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Speaker 5: that handles specifically those tops of cases, exploring if that

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Speaker 5: was a possibility of what happens about Elena?

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Speaker 2: What in the Discord messages made them believe that she

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Speaker 2: had been trafficked or sexually exploited? What in those thirty

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Speaker 2: seven messages?

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Speaker 5: Chief, I wish I could go into detail, but I

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Speaker 5: can't go into detail about the specifics of the messages.

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Speaker 2: Elaine atidiis joining US investigative reporter formerly with People magazine.

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Speaker 1: Elaine.

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Speaker 2: I'm very concerned that the mother was out burning her

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Speaker 2: daughter's photos, which I find very disturbing. Why would you

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Speaker 2: burn your child's mattress in a fire pit, her pictures,

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Speaker 2: the mattress, her clothing, her Halloween costume, family photos.

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Speaker 1: And a fire pit. What can you tell me about that?

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Speaker 10: I mean, officially there, you know, police have not revealed

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Speaker 10: motive or a lot of reasons, but we can think

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Speaker 10: that burning her personal belongings, it's almost as if she's

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Speaker 10: getting rid of the fact that she existed. Anything personal

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Speaker 10: related to Madelina was burned in that fire pit. And

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Speaker 10: in fact, neighbors remember seeing a fire going on at

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Speaker 10: the house. But one witness said, we didn't even know

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Speaker 10: that Madelina was missing, so without that information, they just

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Speaker 10: they saw it more as a fire hazard versus anything

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Speaker 10: nefarious going on.

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Speaker 2: You know. Doctor Heidie Green a clinical psychologist at doctor

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Speaker 2: heidigreen dot com.

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Speaker 1: I find it hard Like if I'm making a.

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Speaker 2: Scrapbook or photo album, if I have a dupe, a

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Speaker 2: duplicate picture of the twins, I have a hard time

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Speaker 2: even throwing that duplicate in the trash right after.

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Speaker 1: I make the album.

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Speaker 2: I'm attached to it, and I actually have big bags

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Speaker 2: that say dupes on the outside where I won't throw

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Speaker 2: away a picture of the twins.

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Speaker 1: And this mom, according to reports, and.

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Speaker 2: I sit till proven guilty, is burning her photos, her Halloween.

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Speaker 2: I have every Halloween costume the twins have ever worn.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's crazy, but I don't want

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Speaker 2: to throw them away. They bring back all these amazing

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Speaker 2: memories of trick or treating, but her clothing, her pictures,

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Speaker 2: her Halloween costume, but her mattress.

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Speaker 1: Why would you burn pictures of your child?

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Speaker 9: This is where the story really gets bizarre and even

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Speaker 9: more difficult to understand, because while we do know that

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Speaker 9: everybody responds differently to trauma, and sometimes when people are

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Speaker 9: in a trauma state, they do things that seem very unusual,

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Speaker 9: but it is again very hard to believe that a

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Speaker 9: grieving or panicked mother would be burning her child's pictures.

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Speaker 9: If anything, she would be passing these pictures out trying

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Speaker 9: to get the word out that her daughter is missing.

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Speaker 2: Where as eleven year old Madeline Cojacari and recently released documents,

653
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Speaker 2: we're learning a lot straight out to professor forensic's death

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Speaker 2: investigator Joe Scott, Morgan Jo Scott. I understand that multiple

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Speaker 2: search warrants were executed in the home. Stains were swabbed

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Speaker 2: in several areas, from a light switch to the carpet

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Speaker 2: in a bedroom. I wonder if that's the same bedroom

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Speaker 2: where the mattress was burned. There's nothing good about mommy

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Speaker 2: burning the mattress in the backyard.

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Speaker 7: No, it's a very specific item.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you know.

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Speaker 7: When you said that, I was scratching my head thinking,

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Speaker 7: you know, one heck, would you burn a mattress? Generally

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Speaker 7: we find all kinds of biological samples on mattresses, and

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Speaker 7: particularly when you're talking about violent prompts, we're talking about

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Speaker 7: the issuance of blood, there would be blood deposition. Perhaps

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Speaker 7: why I can't imagine, in my wildest dreams, why someone

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Speaker 7: would purpose to destroy a mattress other than it would

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Speaker 7: hold some kind of physical evidence relative to this and

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Speaker 7: the fact that they would do it in a fire pit.

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Speaker 7: It would really draw attention to you in that and

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Speaker 7: I find it interesting that the neighbors thought well as

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Speaker 7: a fire hazard. They had no connectivity between this missing

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Speaker 7: child and the burning of these items. At that point

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Speaker 7: in time.

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Speaker 1: We wait, as the investigation goes on.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: disappearance this eleven year old little girl, Madelina ko Jakari,

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Speaker 2: please dial seven zero four eight nine two seven seven

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Speaker 2: seven three repeat seven zero four eight nine two seven

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Speaker 2: seven seven three. There is a twenty five thousand dollars reward.

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Speaker 2: We remember American hero Detective Benjamin Campbell Main State Police

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Speaker 2: passed away in the line of duty. Nine years with

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Speaker 2: law enforcement. Survived by grieving wife Hillary and their son.

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Speaker 2: Sentenced to life without dad. American hero Detective Benjamin Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,