WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: The Traitors 401

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to pod Meats Twirl, the podcast from two guys

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<v Speaker 1>who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the

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<v Speaker 1>Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So

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<v Speaker 1>now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,

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<v Speaker 1>but Will is convinced that he could win. We are

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<v Speaker 1>Wilfred Ell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, won a

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<v Speaker 1>TV expert, won a TV skeptic, Both dance scholars join

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<v Speaker 1>us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the top wardrobe choices. This is pod meets

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<v Speaker 1>Twirled Trading Places. Yes, Will, you are uh, you are

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<v Speaker 1>looking glorious.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you're talking about. I'm unaware of

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get them. Oh oh wow, I did not

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<v Speaker 1>get the memo that we are doing costumes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is no I figured eventually, I'm always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the Trader and you're going to be Alan Cumming.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're just going to be more fabulous every single show.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, I gotta die my hair. Apparently like he's

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<v Speaker 1>not doing just wardrobe, he's doing like makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, where by the end, he's literally just wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a yellow melted candle. It's the greatest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so it's the best. We've ended up watching

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes. We'll break them up in the three pod episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>But because they were all dropped right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I was thrown into the deep end.

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<v Speaker 1>You are, I spent three hours watching Traders, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me it wasn't a glorious three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it. It's pretty glorious. It's pretty glorious.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one thing that's undeniable about the show is that

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<v Speaker 1>it knows exactly what it is. Yep, and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Oh yeah, all right, So I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear your background with the show, because we're in fourth season.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you watched all the three previously? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was told to start with season three, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the last season, which is then how I knew,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, Dylan Ephron going into the Dance with the Stars.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, I this is the second season I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>watched I before. He was one of the winners. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>more than one person can win. It's not just one winner.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was a faithful or yes, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we can tell people. Yes, so he was a faithful okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was one of those things where I forget

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<v Speaker 2>who told somebody at iHeart I forget might have been

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<v Speaker 2>produced guitar, might have been Amy, I can't remember who,

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<v Speaker 2>but somebody was like, you should watch this Traders, and

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<v Speaker 2>Sue and I were like, was it you?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect? Thank you? And we didn't even have She gave

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<v Speaker 2>us her link for Peacock to start. I've since gotten

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<v Speaker 2>my own. But it was one of those things where

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was like, that's how they get you,

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<v Speaker 2>and it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>The hooked well.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of those things where I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll watch this, and by three episodes in,

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<v Speaker 2>Sue and I were not only hooked, but saying this

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<v Speaker 2>is no business being as good as it is, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just so addictive and wonderful, and by I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the end of the credits of the second episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I could win the whole show.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, So I mean, I'm assuming I'm gonna assume

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<v Speaker 1>everybody listening has a general sense of what Traders are

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<v Speaker 1>but or what Traders is, but let's just go over

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<v Speaker 1>it as quickly as possible to sort of lay the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>It's essentially, from my point of view, the game Mafia,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like a party game that I've played before, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's other variations on it, like where Wolf

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<v Speaker 1>right Secret. Hitler is the Bord version that came out

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<v Speaker 1>like I want to say, eight years ago that became

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<v Speaker 1>super popular. And there are always these games where you're

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<v Speaker 1>either one of the masses who are innocent and helpful

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<v Speaker 1>in this case faithful or a villager, or you're a

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<v Speaker 1>killer or a Mafia member or a werewolf for Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>or something evil, and you won't you don't know who's who,

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<v Speaker 1>so you sit around and you basically lie to each

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<v Speaker 1>other's faces. These games make me so uncomfortable. My wife

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<v Speaker 1>and I have made it a rule to never play

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<v Speaker 1>them again because they're very in Hollywood, these are very

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<v Speaker 1>popular games, and my wife and I are very into games,

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<v Speaker 1>like we do running charades all the time. We host

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<v Speaker 1>huge running trades. It's been a huge part of our relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when we started dating, we started going to running

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<v Speaker 1>charades games and then started hosting them ourselves, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>become a big, like a pillar of our community, to

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<v Speaker 1>the extent that we played like one hundred person running

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<v Speaker 1>tarrades game at our wedding. I know. Yeah, we've done

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<v Speaker 1>it for charity. We do it at Sundance every year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's become like a big part of our identity. But

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<v Speaker 1>we also as part of our sort of gaming community

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<v Speaker 1>of friends, we always get invited to Mafia and Wearwoth

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<v Speaker 1>Knights and Secret Hitler games. And we've only played a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times. And the last time we played Secret Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, was like eight years ago. And

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<v Speaker 1>my wife is like, you very good at line, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very good at line when she wants to be, I

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<v Speaker 1>am the exact opposite. I I cannot lie. I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I get so tense, I get so emotional, and I

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<v Speaker 1>get there, like the cognitive dissonance of look sking at

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<v Speaker 1>somebody and not I can't do it. So within the

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<v Speaker 1>last time we played, I just immediately caved. I was like, yeah, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an not say I can't because someone here. Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>They confronted me. They're like, but wait, you just said this,

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<v Speaker 1>and why did you say that. I was like, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally I'm totally a fascist. I'm sorry, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do it. In that same game, my life

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<v Speaker 1>played it so well that when we finished, the game

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<v Speaker 1>was over and somebody was so pissed. They were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually a Nazi, You're actually a knot and like

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<v Speaker 1>got in her face. Oh god, and Alex was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't do this anymore, like this game, like these

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<v Speaker 1>games are too emotional, and I'm like, great, because I

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<v Speaker 1>hate these things. So so I would be horrible on traders.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldnot take. I mean like i'd be a good

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<v Speaker 1>faithful because again, what you're doing, what you're doing is

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<v Speaker 1>a faithful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's essentially you're a detective. You're trying to and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing. It's like a memory game too, because

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<v Speaker 2>what did you say three days ago? Because that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>match up with what you just said now?

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<v Speaker 1>And bah. So that I thank you. Be very good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would be terrified to be sitting there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like everybody on this show is so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be a trader, like that's all they want to do, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think i'd want to be a faithful as much

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<v Speaker 2>as as much as I can wear the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell out of a cloak.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think i'd want to be a faithful

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<v Speaker 2>because I want to be able. Is that you're a

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<v Speaker 2>sociopath who wanted to. Oh, I didn't say I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be great as being a trader, because I would. I

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<v Speaker 2>had the same thing I told Sue when we first

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<v Speaker 2>got together. And obviously this is not a conversation you

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<v Speaker 2>should ever have to have with your partner. But because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an actor, because of the way I am, because

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<v Speaker 2>I am incredibly good at lying, I said to her,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm never ever going to lie to you

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm really good at it, You'll never know. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, and I don't ever want to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm never ever going to lie, and I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's one of those things where because I am,

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<v Speaker 2>I can just I mean again, I smoked for for

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<v Speaker 2>how many years without my parents ever knowing, and started

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<v Speaker 2>smoking pot when I was young without anybody ever knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone blames my parents, and it's like, no, I was

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<v Speaker 2>a master at hiding that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I never really knew this part of you, having

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<v Speaker 1>known you, you know, since I was thirteen and you

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<v Speaker 1>were sixteen. I always thought of you as just a

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<v Speaker 1>great storyteller, you know, a funny performer, obviously a good

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<v Speaker 1>improviser like there's but I've actually only seen it in action,

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<v Speaker 1>where in public you took on a character and stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with it. When we got into a cab, the uber

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<v Speaker 1>and the woman we were on tour with our with

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<v Speaker 1>the Podmets World, and we were in town to do

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<v Speaker 1>a live show, and the woman, the woman driving, asked

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<v Speaker 1>us what we were in town for, and I forget

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<v Speaker 1>why you decided to do this. We somehow said that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you were like, Oh, we're in town because of

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast that we've created, and rather than telling the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>you decided to do it a podcast all about crabs

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<v Speaker 1>and crab fishing. And we were like what. Danielle and

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<v Speaker 1>I were in the back seaquing where's this going? And

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<v Speaker 1>then she was like, really crap, Oh I know, why

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<v Speaker 1>were we somewhere where crabs are?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I honestly don't remember where we were. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's playing yes, But.

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<v Speaker 1>For a twenty thirty minute ride, she kept asking questions

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<v Speaker 1>and you kept be answering them, and I kept waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for you to be like, I can't do this, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry. I'm just kidding, because I was getting increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable with the deceit, even the harmless deceit that we

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<v Speaker 1>were making up a different podcast that we were in

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<v Speaker 1>town to promote. Do you remember what you started throwing

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<v Speaker 1>from the backman? I wanted to make you cave, I

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<v Speaker 1>said yeah. I said, well, we were working on the

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<v Speaker 1>theme song in the flight over you want to sing

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<v Speaker 1>the theme song for? And you didn't bat at I

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<v Speaker 1>and did it? You did it?

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<v Speaker 2>I called it in the Pot was the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast we did, And what was the theme song?

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, We'll give you what we are, We'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you what we got, We'll give you what we are

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<v Speaker 2>because we were in the pot and I was like

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<v Speaker 2>singing the thing as we were going on. I'd also

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<v Speaker 2>like to point out out as a fan of Deadly

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<v Speaker 2>as Catch. I'd like to say that not a single

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<v Speaker 2>fact that I told her was incorrect. Everything I told

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<v Speaker 2>her about all the different species of crab and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>all of them were everything I told her.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I lied about was everything else. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've i've as a reality show watcher. I've really only

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<v Speaker 1>watched Survivor of shows in this vein, and mostly I

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<v Speaker 1>got into it because of the survival factor, which no

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<v Speaker 1>longer is really they don't even do on Survivor anymore now,

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<v Speaker 1>Survivors has become. Yeah, it's mostly strategy. They don't really

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<v Speaker 1>focus on Like if you watch the early seasons, they

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<v Speaker 1>really focused on, you know, how do you build a fire?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I seed the season season two pretty much,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm as far as I understand that the contestants are

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<v Speaker 1>still dealing with that, but they don't focus on in

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<v Speaker 1>their coverage. It's mostly people coming in and strategizing how

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<v Speaker 1>to manipulate one another form. But even that one has

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<v Speaker 1>much more of a physical component to you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a physical challenge thing. The puzzles that they do, uh

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<v Speaker 1>Traders is very interesting because it's most just social manipulation presentation,

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<v Speaker 1>and the challenges are somewhat physical so far that I've noticed,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not quite the point. The point is about who

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<v Speaker 1>you pick to help you in a challenge, how you

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<v Speaker 1>screw somebody over. And the money seems almost beside the point,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're running around getting money, but it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot, and no one seems to really care about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also it's it's for somebody who deals with anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>You would think this is exactly the place I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be because it's one of those things where

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<v Speaker 2>you are you're you have to listen to what everything

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<v Speaker 2>everybody says, and you're second guessing what everybody says and

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<v Speaker 2>are they really my friend?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they not?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yes, it is absolute aci.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Now let me tell you what is

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<v Speaker 1>not my nightmare? The setting. I love a good castle,

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful challenge and cloaks all the like Druid inspired

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<v Speaker 1>wicker mass styles. YEA love it. This is there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bookcase with a hidden like engines. Yeah. I was made

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<v Speaker 1>for this setting. So I am into that way more

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<v Speaker 1>than I would say him survivor, you know, tropic.

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<v Speaker 2>I googled it is. It is apparently twenty like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes outside of Inverness.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know, everybody's trying to get it there now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's it's a gordiful castle.

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<v Speaker 2>And again then then you've got one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>fabulous hosts in the history of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Alan Comming. I've seen him on stage a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times. He's one of these legendary, legendary actors

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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't often get to do his own accent. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it really does have that Scottish accent, and man, he

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<v Speaker 1>is letting it, letting it fly?

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<v Speaker 2>Was I with you in New York when we saw

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<v Speaker 2>him at you and I were having lunch somewhere and

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<v Speaker 2>then he came in a full lime green with the

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<v Speaker 2>tiny little dog on the leash? Was I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say that you and I were together when we saw him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that's so. Yeah, that's right. He had like

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<v Speaker 1>a fool like a like an overcoat that was clean

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<v Speaker 1>and a hat too, I think, yeah, of course, So

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<v Speaker 1>this really is kind of his style to be this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, to be this fabulous and it's and it works.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what happened first then did they create the

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<v Speaker 1>show like for him or did they just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have this idea for the show? And then I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think there's a UK version.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is all based on a UK version

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<v Speaker 2>which is older, which I don't know if he hosts

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<v Speaker 2>that one as well, because I've only seen the American version.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Shall we get into the cast? Heck? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? So everybody is driven to a castle in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Scotland, I guess outside Inverness, and this

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<v Speaker 1>season a lot of people I have no idea who

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<v Speaker 1>anybody is not gonna lie I have culturally disabled Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's start with Candice Dillard Bassett, a real

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<v Speaker 1>housewive of the Potomac. Don't know who that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who that is either. No, never never

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<v Speaker 2>seen this person before.

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<v Speaker 1>Colton Underwood who was on the back. Was he the

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<v Speaker 1>bachelor at one point? Yeah, okay, maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know him either, Caroly I think he's a football

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<v Speaker 2>player who then came out as gay.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe. Oh, I think he was a professionelor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even though he's gay, he didn't come he came

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<v Speaker 2>out after Okay, So he was a football player and

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<v Speaker 2>then he was a bachelor and then he came out

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<v Speaker 2>as gay.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha. Okay, Wow, that's a that's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Series of progression. Yeah, it's a progression, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline Stanbury, Real Housewives of Dubai. No, Donna Kelcey. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>heard of Donna Kelcey. I had not heard of Donna Kelcey.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've heard the name Travis and Jason. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I should say.

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<v Speaker 2>All people there's sportsball people and he's married to singer

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<v Speaker 2>lady are going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be Yeah, exactly Eric Knaum is a singer songwriter who

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea and now we're going to look

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<v Speaker 1>him up. Dorinda Medley another real housewife. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of housewives coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew Dirinda only because she was the first person

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<v Speaker 2>kicked off of the last season.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha. Oh so they said that, right, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I know watches some of these housewives, so she knew

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<v Speaker 2>some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Ian Terry from Big Brother. Nope. Johnny Weird an

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic figure skater. I knew Johnny.

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<v Speaker 2>You know Johnny whare No?

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<v Speaker 1>When was he in the Olympics? Like how long? Nineties?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, But he's he's become very well

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<v Speaker 2>known because he and Tara Lepinske, who's also on the

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<v Speaker 2>show as a skater. Yeah. Uh, they are like co

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<v Speaker 2>hosts of all the Olympic events. So like the big

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<v Speaker 2>the big one of the faces of the Olympic ice

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<v Speaker 2>skating right now for like on location with my they

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<v Speaker 2>are and he's always got these really fabulous So he's

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<v Speaker 2>a two time Olympian in two thousand and six and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. Wow, not the radies, and so he's always

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<v Speaker 2>got like Alan Cumming, he's always decked out in all

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<v Speaker 2>this pretty amazing stuff. And he's really funny, like legitimately funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Kristin Kish is a pop chef. You must know she

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<v Speaker 1>know her, she's ours.

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<v Speaker 2>Now she's a house She was a contestant, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she went from being a contestant to taking

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<v Speaker 2>over for pad Malakshmi. And we love pad Mlashmie. We're like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's going to replace Padma. And then Kristin came

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<v Speaker 2>in and we actually like her more interesting and she

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<v Speaker 2>is and again I know it's not about looks, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>not because she's funny and smart, but she's arguably one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best looking women I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, she extricts me. She's beautiful, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>also very cool. Yeah, super cool. She's like, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>sort to hang out with you, like you seek cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I met her at D twenty three and I literally

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<v Speaker 2>walked up and I was like, my wife and I

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<v Speaker 2>love you, and she's like, oh, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>because and she was as cool there.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate like the idea because I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>maybe chefs are just kind of cool in general, but

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<v Speaker 1>like she just doesn't give off host vibes, which I

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<v Speaker 1>was intrigued. I was like, she's a host and so

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<v Speaker 1>laid back and yeah cool, great Top Chef host. Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>Rinna a real housewife of Beverly Hills.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew her because she was an actress. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she's married to Harry Hamlin and she was on I

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<v Speaker 2>think a soap opera for years and years and years.

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<v Speaker 2>People also don't like her very much. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>as a housewife. I think she's like one of the

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<v Speaker 2>hated housewives. I think, but I've never seen an episode

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. Oh, apparently everybody loves her. Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea. Oh but she's no longer on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>no idea, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Ballas hey Holder, frame Mark older, frame mark a. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dancing with the Stars. Great to see him on here.

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<v Speaker 1>I really did love him on this last season. Came

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<v Speaker 1>to really appreciate his choreography. And yeah, it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>he was with who had a great work in Whitney.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. They had a really I mean they got

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<v Speaker 1>really close. I mean I feel like they were contenders.

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<v Speaker 1>Maura Higgins Nope Island. Oh but you I thought you

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<v Speaker 1>were a Love Island person.

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<v Speaker 2>I am but there's thirty seven seasons of Love Island,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're ninety five episodes a season, so we got

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<v Speaker 2>like three seasons in and bout out. So I doubt

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<v Speaker 2>that she had we ever saw her, no idea that was.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's bringing a lovely accent. Do you think sot

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<v Speaker 2>into the accent?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Michael Rapp Report actor, I've known him forever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was a huge fan of when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a teenager, The movie Beautiful Girls. I don't remember no,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. For whatever reason, that was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those movies there's like a whole series of movies where

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<v Speaker 1>we're like people going home for the holidays and like

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<v Speaker 1>in her twenties, reflecting on their adolescence. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>really good one, kind of a forgotten masterpiece. And Michael

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<v Speaker 1>rapp Report is so good in that movie. Really, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never really liked him in anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, he was great in Oh God, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>one with Brad Pitt. It's the whole huge cast. It

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the first ones that Quentin Tarantino wrote

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<v Speaker 2>but didn't direct. Oh It's Gonna Kill Me. True Romance,

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<v Speaker 2>True Romance.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I haven't seen that for ages. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even remember him in that.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the he was Brad Pitt's roommate, who actually

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<v Speaker 2>is the the actor. Yeah, and he was great and

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<v Speaker 2>Higher Learning too, he played the crazy skinhead and Higher

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<v Speaker 2>Learning which was another good movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean maybe I just haven't seen much of

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<v Speaker 1>his career beyond Beautiful Girl, but I always associated with

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful Girls. Wonderful movie. All right, monet exchange for RuPaul's

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<v Speaker 1>drag race no idea. Natalie Anderson from Survivor I actually

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<v Speaker 1>do know. Okay, this is she's She was also on

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing Race, okay with I think she did Amazing Race

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<v Speaker 1>with her sister. I think that's where she started, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she ended up going on Survivor. I love her,

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<v Speaker 1>love her. At one episode she just came out wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a bra and a jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, that was It was literally a joke on Seinfelm

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<v Speaker 2>like she's just wearing a bra and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what did she In.

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<v Speaker 1>General, the Trader's clothing thing is a real.

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<v Speaker 2>Called Traders The Land of Stupid Hats is what the

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<v Speaker 2>name of this show.

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<v Speaker 1>She had and fuzzy sweaters, lots of fuzzy It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the textures are textures and colors. I'm sitting there. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, by episode three, I'm like, well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just like we're gonna look back in like twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, man, the twenty twenties were crazy. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the same way that we do, like when

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<v Speaker 1>we see like insane late sixties early seventies outfits of

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.239
<v Speaker 1>people war on TV, and then it like goes through

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<v Speaker 1>periods where it gets more subdued. You know, we're like,

0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.040
<v Speaker 1>but we're in a crazy We're in a keycocking period,

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Like everybody is just let me go nuts, and this

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<v Speaker 1>show is the epitome of that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what scared me when I first watched it. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, I don't have the outfits to be

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<v Speaker 2>on this show. And then I saw Rappaport walk on

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<v Speaker 2>with like his regular shirt on. I'm like, okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be that guy. Yeah, I'll be fine, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Portia Williams another Real Housewives. I mean, so how many

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<v Speaker 1>housewives sleep?

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like they did that last year too. They

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of housewives, a lot of survivor. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess they're just called not the housewives, but the survivor

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, like Big Brother people. I guess they're just

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<v Speaker 2>called gamers. I guess Love Island technically are gamers.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>The other one that no one from this season but

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<v Speaker 2>the last two seasons was the Challenge on MTV.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, okay, right, all right? Rob Cesternino was from Survivor.

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<v Speaker 1>But I must have missed this season because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who he is.

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know either, Rob. She was really smart too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Yeah, which is what he was, right

0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of him? All right, Rob Rousch from

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<v Speaker 1>Love Island. You know you didn't know that one either.

0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Ron Funches. I do know who he is after, comedian,

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 1>very funny guy. Yep uh. Stephen Colletti from One Tree Hill.

0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Sue said she knows him from something else too. It

0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.439
<v Speaker 2>wasn't just and Laguna Beach, that's but One.

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<v Speaker 1>Tree Hill was like late nineties, early aunts, right I think?

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<v Speaker 2>So? Yeah, Hill was a regular show, right, yeah, like

0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a show show.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't. It wasn't a reality show. It was a show. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's the show that Leon Norris was on.

0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:40.959
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Orris was a part of that. He played mouth. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen it. I mean multiple people who worked on

0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.240
<v Speaker 1>it or were on it. But so he's kind of

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like a contemporary of Bars. Okay, cool, yeah, all right.

0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Tara Lipinsky another Olympic figure skater. You know who she is?

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<v Speaker 1>I do not.

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<v Speaker 2>She was and she's Johnny Weir's partner. Now she's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Pinske I think was the gold medal. She was a

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<v Speaker 2>gold medalist, like she won the whole thing.

0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Cool. Tiffany Mitchell from Big Brother, No Clue. And then

0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Jam Jam from Survivor, who I did actually know I

0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.399
<v Speaker 1>season he won apparently, which this was news to me,

0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.480
<v Speaker 1>but I definitely watched the beginning of his season. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it might have been the last might have been

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<v Speaker 1>the last season. Anyway, I had watched the beginning of it,

0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.160
<v Speaker 1>but my family finished it without me, so I knew

0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:28.119
<v Speaker 1>who he was, all right, going in based on what

0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.359
<v Speaker 1>you knew, any predictions, any people you were behind saying

0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.359
<v Speaker 1>this is this is my person, I'm rooting for them now.

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I was rooting for Kristen Kish and for Mark Ballast

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 2>because I know them. But no, I have no idea

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.199
<v Speaker 2>whatsoever who I was going to like or who I

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:45.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't or none.

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 1>How about you, because you had survivor of people. Yeah,

0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I came in. I was like, Natalie's Natalie's got a

0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.480
<v Speaker 1>good shot and I'm still I was like, I think

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.159
<v Speaker 1>because she has a way of being very forceful and

0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 1>very strong, but not obnoxious like she doesn't she does

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and bug people, and I was like, that's a good

0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.360
<v Speaker 1>position to be in, you know, which I think has

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.119
<v Speaker 1>played out a little bit not she hasn't spoken up

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 1>that much. And then I was rooting for Mark Ballast

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.080
<v Speaker 1>just because I liked him with the stars, and I

0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.120
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, this will be cool. But I kind

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of also thought jam Jam had a has a good shot,

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>has had a good shot, I feel less so after

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:25.440
<v Speaker 1>watching the first three, well he's really he's like really likable,

0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.359
<v Speaker 1>and if he ends up being a trader, I was like, Oh,

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be able to get away with it.

0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I also thought Donna Donna Kelsey really had a shot

0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.440
<v Speaker 2>only because and they mentioned it on the first episode.

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 2>No one would want to vote against her because of

0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.520
<v Speaker 2>the Swifties, right, they're an army. It's like if you

0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 2>sneeze in her direction, they want to kill you. So no,

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:46.600
<v Speaker 2>everyone even alluded to the fact where they're like I

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:49.440
<v Speaker 2>don't want to vote against her because so she had

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 2>a legitimate shot. I thought of taking the whole thing.

0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Wow, you were wrong. I know, I'll say, I

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 1>guess everybody. I couldn't believe the way that all that

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.800
<v Speaker 1>went down. All right, let's get into this. Yeah. Episode one,

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.879
<v Speaker 1>they introduce all the players outside of the castle. We

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 1>got flames, then we got this new thing, which I mean,

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 1>all of this was new to me, but this notion

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.719
<v Speaker 1>of a secret trader. Oh, brilliant idea, really great idea.

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Now that I've watched three episodes with the Secret Trader,

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how this show works without the Secret

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Trader because part of the phone was not knowing who

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:28.280
<v Speaker 1>the trader was, like exactly, yes, man, I was. I was.

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I was sitting there guessing constantly based on people's behavior.

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like that's a really cool wrinkle that

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.199
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna have to keep up because it was it

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 1>was pretty fun great anyway, So all the all the

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 1>contestants went up one by one. Alan Cummings showed off

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a card box that he opens up and one of

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 1>them see is that they're a trader. We find out

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.000
<v Speaker 1>who that is in episode three, but once the trader

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.880
<v Speaker 1>was chosen. They all go into the castle. They get

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 1>to mingle. No windows in this castle, by the way,

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like you got everything out of bock,

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>everything out.

0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 2>They also allude several times to how hot it is

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 2>in there. You heard them say, like, it's so hot

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 2>in here, so they're probably blocking off everything.

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.919
<v Speaker 1>It's stifling. There's lights everywhere.

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.679
<v Speaker 2>They're all caked in makeup, with all that fabulous outfit.

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.160
<v Speaker 2>They're all probably sweating profusely in there as they're doing

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 2>their show.

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then getting drunk.

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like there's probably some some alcoholics.

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Good food. Yeah, all right. Yeah. So then they sit

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 1>around a table and they put on their blind folds,

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and the traders are chosen. So this is the way

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>traders are usually chosen, right, correct? Okay, so yeah, this

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>is all the same. They get a little tap on

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder, which is very tense, very tense. This would

0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 1>be my nightmare. This is why I would be sweating bullets,

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and which is so you would not want the tap.

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, no, no, please don't tap me.

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Please don't let me be honest and upfront and building

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 1>alliances based on you know, but even that's stressful because

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>as the show goes on, I'm like, I, no one

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 1>knows shit, man, Now do you know if someone's lying?

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:00.160
<v Speaker 2>You don't.

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>And I'm so trusting. If someone looked me in the

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 1>eyes and was like, rider, I am a faithful, I don't.

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I just I would just be like, Okay, okay, I

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:10.439
<v Speaker 1>shall believe you. Yeah, I believe you.

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 2>But you can also tell Alan. You know, he has

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>those preliminary interviews with everybody before the roundtable, and I

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.239
<v Speaker 2>saw especially more last year than this year. Last year

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of people like, I want to be

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 2>a faithful I really want to be a faithful I

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 2>want to root out traders, whereas this year you got

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 2>more people going like I'd be the best trader in

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the world. I don't know what I'd tell him other

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.439
<v Speaker 2>than you're fabulous and don't wear stupid hats like everybody

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 2>else is wearing.

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Well. I wonder how they make this decision, because this

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>is the central decision of Oh and then I have

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>another question, are there more traders as that as the

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>season goes on, there can be if if traders would

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>betting picked off one at a time, they can also

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>have the ability to go instead of murdering somebody, saying

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>you either die tonight or you become one of us.

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 2>So it's like they there's times where they can go

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>to murder somebody and instead turn them, So.

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 1>The traders get to decide if they want to not

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>murder somebody.

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.120
<v Speaker 2>And no, it's not the traders like they'll come back

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Like last year, Alan would come into the tower and

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 2>be like everyone, what happen And he'll say, like, you

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>can either kill this person tonight or you can turn

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 2>them to the traders. And then they've got to you know,

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the fun part, and I'm sure it'll happen at some point,

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 2>is when the traders start turning on each other. I

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>mean that's when they're they're throwing each other under the

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 2>bus dating.

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Could they technically murder each other?

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 2>No, but they can get themselves. They can have one

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of the other people eliminated.

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Wait, Tars saying yes at the roundtable.

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at the round table. They can they can banish somebody.

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you can sell the trades, right, so they

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>could banish somebody.

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they can't murder somebody, but they can banish somebody.

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>But now do the traders always have to agree on

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>who they're murdering or is it just I think so

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>because there's been Yeah, yeah you do, but like a

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of them don't.

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>It's usually like two out of three vote and ones

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 2>upset with the decision, like that's happened many times. Yeah,

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm also wondering. So Sue and I were talking about it,

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the logistics where it's how do

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 2>they how do they guarantee nobody sees the traders leaving

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:06.159
<v Speaker 2>the building to go to the tower.

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, obviously they have cameras everywhere. Well, but that's that's

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>my other question.

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 2>Is is it like do you hear, you know, an

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>announcement like all right, everybody's stay in your room. Nobody's

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 2>allowed to leave your room for them.

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>You heard there's a dong At one point there was

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>like a thing telling them to go to bed.

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so I'm wondering if that's what it is.

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like you're not allowed to leave, you're not allowed

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>to do anything. Because we're just wondering the legit and

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 2>exactly what you were saying, do does Alan coming get

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 2>to pick who they are? Are all the producers deciding

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>who who's going to be the Trader. I mean, my

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 2>guess is the producers sit around and they figure out

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 2>who they.

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Want to pick. They don't stay in the castle. What, Yeah,

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>they're not actually like jumping there. They go to a hotel. Yes,

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>every night. That's so sad.

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so when they walk upstairs to bed, they're not

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 2>really walking upstairs to bed.

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>No. And those those glamorous shots of them in like

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 1>their room or the bathtub like we saw Dylan like

0:27:58.200 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>shirtless and every scene last week.

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 2>All did last season was work out with weights at

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>twelve o'clock at night, and it's like, why are you

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>doing sit ups?

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>So they were faking that. It's definitely like, it's definitely yeah,

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>they're okay. I was curious because whenever they like walked

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>out to get murdered, I was like, where are they?

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Where are they walking into a room with a chair,

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the geography never quite made sense to me. So,

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, so they don't stay at the castle. You're

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>upset about this. I am a little upset.

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm no, I want to go. I still want to

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>go on the show, but not as much.

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can stay to Radison here, probably a nicer

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>spot than the ratis. Yeah, probably okay, So it's raison,

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>all right, Candice, Lisa and Rob R. Robert. I had

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>no feelings about any of this because who any of

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>them were. I didn't either, but they were all stoked. Yeah, them,

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>we're stoked.

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>And is there a reason why? Candice through most of

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the first episode was dressed like a flight attendant from

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy. It was like she was dressed like a

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 2>PanAm flight attendant from the seven was like, what.

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you wearing? That's kind of a vibe throughout all

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>of them because I'm trying to in the last.

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Time they picked their own outfits. Of course they do.

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's picking that but her.

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 2>And then there was the one woman they Stansberry, who

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 2>was had borrowed the jacket from the lead singer of

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Talking Heads, the huge jacket she was wearing, and then

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 2>everyone went to dumb hat store. It was it was

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>an interesting, interesting first episode.

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I dig the amount of money just on

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>their clothing, Like these are like thousands of dollars in

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>outfits that these but they must bring their own is

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>what she is? What? Yeah? They so? I mean they

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>they're showing up with a It's a lot. I'd be

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>sponsored by Target. It's all my clothes would be from Target. Yeah,

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>all right. We we met up in the turret where

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the traders took.

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Their Wait, I have a question for you.

0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 2>For so they're picked around table and they're in the blindfold.

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>The second they say take your blindfold off, would you

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>rip your blindfold off to then stare at everybody to

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>see if anybody had a weird reaction? Or do you

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>think that would draw too much attention to yourself for

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.719
<v Speaker 2>then people thinking, oh, he's overdoing it, he's obviously a trader.

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I would, well, I don't know. I would definitely.

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't see. This is why I'd be so bad.

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I would just do it. I would just look at everybody,

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think I would get any answers, right Like.

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>My takeaway so far from the show is that there's

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>just no way to read people right like, and maybe

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just horrible at it, but I have been consistently

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>wrong in my predictions. Right, absolutely, everybody right, because because

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>we don't know who the secret trader is, so I

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen there going like.

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I called that from I called that from

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>step one. But I also, oh god, of course of

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 2>course because it's party.

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>It was perfect. It was perfect. But you're just thinking

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>like a producer then, or were you reading the situation. No, no, no,

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>totally just thinking like a producer. No, had nothing to

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>do with how they were all thinking, apparently because they

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>were right, and I was sitting there going, poor Donna,

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>there's no way. Oh see, that's I'd be so bad

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>this game.

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, no, that was so that's what I was thinking,

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>was because as I said that, I was sitting here

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 2>watching Sue and I was like, oh, first thing I

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 2>would do, rip off my blindfold and stare around the table,

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>see if I can catch somebody smiling or something. And

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 2>she's like, no, the second you do that, they're gonna

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>think you're over doing it. And then now you've drawn

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 2>attention to yourself because you can also just get banished.

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>So if everyone's like I saw you at the table

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like you were so that's all other things.

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>You also just don't want to be annoying, like you

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>just realized that like a lot of times, they're just

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>voting out people like like Michael Rappaport is not long

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>for this castle, and it's because he's just bugging the

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>crap out of everybody. It's like, you know, even knowing

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>he's not a I was kind of thinking he was

0:31:58.000 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>the secret Trader.

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Because I thought so maybe for a brief second there,

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>and then I was like, he can't be. He's just

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 2>doth protest too much.

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>He's just like, dude, it's not about you, calm down.

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>But he's just manages to like make everything about him

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and just like I'm a true I'm a hunter, I'm

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a trader, hunt, I'm.

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Like, suck, I'm a trader and you know it, clap

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:20.719
<v Speaker 2>your hands. I was like, I hope they vote him

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>off even if they don't think he's a trader. At

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 2>this point, they go to the turret, so they're picked

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>those three or picked.

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, they're happy about it. I guess they picked the

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>right people.

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think there would have been anybody there

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>that would have been unhappy to if you picked to

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:49.959
<v Speaker 2>be a trader. I don't think you go on that

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>show if you only want to be a.

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Faithful right, So, which is why I should not go

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>on the show. You'll be fine when we're there.

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll take care of you or i'll take carry you

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>all right.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>The next day the first mission coffins floating in a

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>lock and lock they got to throw out in groups,

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>pick up coffins, bring them back and throw the I

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>mean this amazing.

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>There's what a hundred coffins in the lock and some

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>of them are dollar signs, in some of them an ex's.

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>So if you find a dollar sign, you have to

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>hook it up to your boat and bring it all

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 2>the way back to the shore. And you thought that's

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>all you had to do and then throw it in,

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>but no, then of course there's the other twist, which

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 2>is you have to put it in the coffin.

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>You have to put it in the ground, in the

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>grave of one of your fellow people, get a pool

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>from which they can be murdered. They can be murdered.

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's even that right, So that's where, Yeah, it's

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the psychological factor that you know, because the physical challenges

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>don't seem that hard. It's not like on Survivor. It's

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>like real you know, they're like climbing, they have to

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>work in teams and do crazy physically exhausting things. This

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>is like not that hard, But there's always a psychological element, right,

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>like how are you going to you know, choose your

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.879
<v Speaker 1>group turn on people you know from the other team

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>or from the other boats. Yeah, a lot of chaos.

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't really keep up with, like who was with

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>who at this point it felt a little muddy muddy

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>for me, like I just I just couldn't tell you, like.

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there was any who's doing. I don't

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 2>think there was because there was no There was no

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>real rhyme or reason to it.

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of like you grab the thing, you

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 2>go and then you throw it into the ground.

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 1>So they weren't working in teams even though they were.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It was confused. But wasn't there drama atwards? Yes,

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>because they're this like question whether Michael Rappaport had said

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.760
<v Speaker 1>put it in one of the housewives, which.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I thought he did, was I thought you did.

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I was going crazy because they keep acting as if

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>he didn't say it.

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 2>And I thought he did, yeah, and Susan said he didn't,

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, no, he did.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>He said put it in one of the housewives.

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 2>And then somebody said no, we don't. We're not just

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>going to target the housewives like I could have sworn

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 2>he said that.

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I am so with you dude. Okay, so confused by

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>this good because I was like, wait, like when when

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Candice like backed down from that, I was like, but

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>but he did. He did say thanks. I thought the

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>same thing. So were we both having like a Mandela

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>effect here?

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she I don't know. I'll have to go back

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.479
<v Speaker 2>and watch it again. I could have sworn he said

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 2>something about putting it in the ground in one of

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 2>the Housewives.

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Man, I was so yeah, I just like totally like

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>got gas lip by the conversation me to the next

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>two episodes that I was like, oh, I guess he

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't say it, and she really was just being you know,

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>manipulative by bringing it up in the car. No, but okay,

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of God, he said it. I thought he said it. Yeah.

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise it felt pretty random. Who ended up with a grave?

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>You know? And yeah, you know they they were just

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>marked for death apparently.

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>But there's a couple of people remember where it was, like,

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>was it Mark? It might have been Mark Ballas who

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 2>they had to go out of their way to make.

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 2>He even said, He's like, well that wasn't convenient, Like

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 2>you had to walk like three back to put it

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>in in his thing.

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, why are you picking?

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 2>And by that point I don't think he'd spoken a

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 2>word since the beginning of the show.

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, very subdued. I actually am concerned. I was like,

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 1>he's not speaking up enough. But also maybe that's the

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 1>way to go play under the redit car.

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, let them get to separate the wheat from the chaff,

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of get to where you got it, because the.

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Strong personalities are already getting on my nerves exactly, and.

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 2>They're going to be voted on. Yeah, just yes, this dude.

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 2>The second thing I have soron is on you. It's like,

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, oh, so you got to make sure there's

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 2>this hands over here, so then you're just over here,

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 2>just nice quiet, yeah.

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, all right. So in the car on the way

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 1>back from the challenge is where this drama with Candace

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and Portia and man Candace is a lot.

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I also don't think she's particularly good. She's not No,

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think she's particularly good. She doesn't remember what

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>she said yep. And yeah, Porscha is also truly horrible

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>at this game. Awful.

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of people that are not good, Like,

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she got voted out and I was like

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I would have voted for you, and I knew she wasn't.

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Well I guess she could have been a secret trader,

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, oh, yeah, vote for her because

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 1>she's slipped slipped of the tongue saying we killed what

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you're saying twice and you have every opportunity to defend

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>yourself and you don't really have a good defense. So anyway,

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>but Candace and Candace decided to like tell this maybe

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>a lie, but you and I.

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>The truth.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, anyway.

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Then Maura is another one because when they said said, hey, well, Maura,

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 2>you were in the car.

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>What did she say?

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I don't remember.

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't even remember being on the show, Like wait, what,

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not here. It was weird. They were all sort

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of like backing down. Yeah, interesting, but I mean that's

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.879
<v Speaker 1>where like Rappaport was so confrontations, like what she said,

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna go talk right now?

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so either he's the hell out.

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I love that one.

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I forget who it was who said it at the end.

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 2>It might have been Rob c but one of them

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 2>at the end was like, either you're the worst trader

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in the history of the world or you're a bad

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 2>faithful like kind of either way you should go because

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 2>you're it's it's one of the two and neither one

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 2>of those are conducive to the game essentially, right, So

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>it was, yeah, he's very grading.

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>All right. They get back and have that little confrontation,

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>and then the players go to bed. Traders get together,

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and now this whole aspect with a secret trader got

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to send them the list from which they chose super

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.399
<v Speaker 1>interesting because otherwise normally they would just be wide open, right,

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 1>they could just pick whoever they wanted.

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.879
<v Speaker 2>From that from the list of whoever lost the game

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 2>from the graveyard. Yes, so if they didn't get a

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 2>shield in one of these things or something like that,

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>then it's like, that's your pool to pick from. But

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 2>normally in the ones I've seen the traders get together

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>and here the five we can pick from. Who are

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 2>we gonna pick?

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 2>And this that's not this time now it's and it

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 2>makes sense too that the list they send has four

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.280
<v Speaker 2>because the secret trader also doesn't know who the regular

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 2>traders are. So if they just picked the three traders,

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, we can't murder anybody on that list, right,

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 2>So that's why there's four people, because one of them

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 2>has to at least be eligible to kill.

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, so here's a question, because this came up. One

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of the things that Porsche slipped up about was saying

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>four traders, and is it always four? Is there a

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>number of traders? Is it? I thought it was three.

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was three.

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 2>But again they change because there's a secret trader, or

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>they bring somebody in later, or maybe there's now there's

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 2>just two after they kick somebody out. So I think

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>the most there's gonna be as four, but I've seen

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 2>as little as two and as many as four. I

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:50.399
<v Speaker 2>think normally it was three.

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, the four people on the secret Traders list

0:39:54.000 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>were rob are, Ian, Mark, and Eric. Rob Ar is

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 1>one of the traders. Yeah, so he wasn't gonna I

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 1>thought the trader's reaction to this was they didn't investigate

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 1>them enough, because like, these were really interesting choices. They

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 1>were kind of like bland and a little generic, yeah,

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>like and it didn't seem based on anything strategy and anything.

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 1>And I'm the traders were just kind of like, oh, well,

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it, and then they just picked one.

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>But I would have taken more time to try and

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>figure out who the secret trader was based on this list.

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you would have been able to

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 1>do that, But after the fact, I was like, why

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't they analyze that more? Like why didn't they say, like,

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:40.280
<v Speaker 1>who's picking just kind of these four dudes who haven't

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 1>really stood out, like not anybody who's been annoying, not

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>anybody you know. In retrospect, I don't know if there

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 1>was much strategy. I think it was just kind of

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>picking names out of a hat.

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what I was thinking about.

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It's so ridiculous.

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 2>But you're obviously in this castle, you're killing time, you

0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know what to do.

0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>People are playing chess.

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I would have gotten together a good old fashioned Hangman

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>game and I would have played with everybody because then

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I get to see your handwriting and I would have

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 2>been able to match it to whatever is on the list,

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>and I would have instantly been like, Oh, that's that's

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:12.760
<v Speaker 2>a secret trader.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Bam, right there, you're you're evil, my friend. I love it.

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it. Where's my cloak? No,

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 1>we're good, all right. They decided to uh to murder

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.839
<v Speaker 1>ian Ian who's a gamer, which I guess makes sense.

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna get rid of Eric, who I don't

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.319
<v Speaker 2>know who that is. I'm sure they don't either. I

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 2>guess he's a singer songwriter.

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.799
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it seemed pretty generically he has not made

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 1>any ways. It's not like formed big alliances. That's obvious. No,

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean the housewives were the only people that really

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 1>seemed banded together, right. I mean, I guess the two

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>figure skaters, but they are intentionally avoiding each other. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>he said, they're like, we're not gonna let every which

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>is super smart. But the housewives keep actually voicing their

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.439
<v Speaker 1>alliance and their you know, allegiance to one another, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is a big mistake. Although I guess in

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<v Speaker 1>the same and in the fact that two of them

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 1>are writers, it's going to work in their favor.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would like to know how far in advance,

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<v Speaker 2>if at all, you know who else you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the show with, right, because my guess, because

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<v Speaker 2>again I would think hopefully they don't let them know

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<v Speaker 2>at all, because all you would do is if you

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<v Speaker 2>google Tarle Penske, you would see that the skaters are

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<v Speaker 2>together in all types of weather.

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<v Speaker 1>They're best friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So they would never be able to hide the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they weren't best friends Johnny were and Tarle Penske.

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<v Speaker 2>You google one, you're going to find another, be like

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>you googling me or Danielle. We're going to pop up

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<v Speaker 2>on your feed at some point, right, So it's they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to know. So my guess is because if you

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<v Speaker 2>remember at the very beginning, there's a couple of people

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<v Speaker 2>that are like, oh my god, you're here. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe you're here. And I'm hoping they don't know who

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 2>else is on the show until they get into the cars.

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<v Speaker 2>That must be the case, right, because you don't because

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be able to do too much research.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so we actually jumped ahead because at the end

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:05.959
<v Speaker 1>of this episode, we still didn't know who.

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>They murdered, right, that's right, So we don't know who

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 2>tech erase that maybe Ian isn't dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So something I had I thought about watching this

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 1>show that was like compared to other reality shows, I

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>guess Survivor being the one that I watched. I was

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>fascinated by the age of the contestants. Everyone's a little

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 1>older than most reality shows. This is definitely like, I mean,

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 1>there's you know Mara and uh what's his name? Or

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>the Love Islands were like the they're like the the

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:43.279
<v Speaker 1>young crowd. Everyone else is like middle aged, And I

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>think it's smart because you want people with complexity, you

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>want layers. Do you want people who are like you know,

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's definitely not like the Love is Blind crowd

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 1>where they're just like, let's make up, make up. So

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was super inch. It makes for a

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>really cool dynamic because all these people have, you know,

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>have very very interesting approaches. So far, I'm not a

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 1>fan of canvas. I'm not either, be honest, but the

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Two Traders, I'm not super stoked on No, I'm not

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>really like enjoying their villainy.

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's the guy Rob r.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, has almost no personality. Yeah, that's but he's playing well,

0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>he's playing very well. But watching him, I know, it's

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 1>like this guy there's almost like he doesn't even have

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 1>any inflection when he speaks.

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Like this guy has no personality. It's weird.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, dude, how are you? I guess because.

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>On Love Island, take off your shirt, make out with

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>a good looking girl.

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 1>That's he makes a joke. At one point he's like,

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm confused by what we're doing here taking off my

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>shirt and I haven't. Yeah, that was the funny thing

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 1>said the whole time. No, he's growing on me by by,

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 1>but this first episode, I was like, why pick him

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 1>to be a trader? It's it's a really boring choice. Yeah,

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and I and I I guess maybe the people that

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:09.399
<v Speaker 1>seem more uh sophisticated, like jam Jam Michael Rappaport would

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.240
<v Speaker 1>have been maybe too obvious, you know, the producers decided

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, yeah, but yeah, this was uh, you know,

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>this was a good episode. I'm definitely did it suck

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you in, brought you Oh yeah, oh yeah, totally. I'm

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, like we didn't get a roundtable, you know,

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>which happens next episode, and so I really liked that.

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Seeing that brought the show fully together for me. Yeah,

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>if I had just seen this, I probably would have

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>been like, well it's good. Yeah, yeah, because you know,

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.879
<v Speaker 1>like I said, Canvas and Lisa are not like super No,

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm just like, but you know, there's

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of there's room to grow, there's room

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to grow.

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 2>They also would have had you at Scottish Castle at

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 2>least for at least for two episodes.

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah all right. Well that's it

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>for this episode of Pod Needs Twirled. Alliances were tested,

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>trust misplaced, and once again we are left with a cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 1>Join us next time as we continue our journey through

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<v Speaker 1>season four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 1>said in his Scottish play, fair is foul and foul is.

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Fair, did he say it with a stupid hat?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably,