Speaker 1: Welcome to pod Meats Twirl, the podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: but Will is convinced that he could win. We are
Speaker 1: Wilfred Ell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, won a
Speaker 1: TV expert, won a TV skeptic, Both dance scholars join
Speaker 1: us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,
Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is pod meets
Speaker 1: Twirled Trading Places. Yes, Will, you are uh, you are
Speaker 1: looking glorious.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm unaware of
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 1: I didn't get them. Oh oh wow, I did not
Speaker 1: get the memo that we are doing costumes.
Speaker 2: This is no I figured eventually, I'm always going to
Speaker 2: be the Trader and you're going to be Alan Cumming.
Speaker 2: So you're just going to be more fabulous every single show.
Speaker 1: And like, I gotta die my hair. Apparently like he's
Speaker 1: not doing just wardrobe, he's doing like makeup.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where by the end, he's literally just wearing
Speaker 2: a yellow melted candle. It's the greatest thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it's the best. We've ended up watching
Speaker 1: three episodes. We'll break them up in the three pod episodes.
Speaker 1: But because they were all dropped right off the bat,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was thrown into the deep end.
Speaker 1: You are, I spent three hours watching Traders, But.
Speaker 2: Tell me it wasn't a glorious three hours.
Speaker 1: You know it. It's pretty glorious. It's pretty glorious.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: There's one thing that's undeniable about the show is that
Speaker 1: it knows exactly what it is. Yep, and it's going
Speaker 1: for it. Oh yeah, all right, So I want to
Speaker 1: hear your background with the show, because we're in fourth season.
Speaker 1: Have you watched all the three previously? Okay?
Speaker 2: So I was told to start with season three, which
Speaker 2: is the last season, which is then how I knew,
Speaker 2: for instance, Dylan Ephron going into the Dance with the Stars.
Speaker 2: So no, I this is the second season I've ever
Speaker 2: watched I before. He was one of the winners. Yeah,
Speaker 2: more than one person can win. It's not just one winner.
Speaker 2: So he was a faithful or yes, well, I guess
Speaker 2: we can tell people. Yes, so he was a faithful okay,
Speaker 2: And it was one of those things where I forget
Speaker 2: who told somebody at iHeart I forget might have been
Speaker 2: produced guitar, might have been Amy, I can't remember who,
Speaker 2: but somebody was like, you should watch this Traders, and
Speaker 2: Sue and I were like, was it you?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Perfect? Thank you? And we didn't even have She gave
Speaker 2: us her link for Peacock to start. I've since gotten
Speaker 2: my own. But it was one of those things where
Speaker 2: and then it was like, that's how they get you,
Speaker 2: and it worked.
Speaker 1: The hooked well.
Speaker 2: It was one of those things where I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll watch this, and by three episodes in,
Speaker 2: Sue and I were not only hooked, but saying this
Speaker 2: is no business being as good as it is, and
Speaker 2: it's just so addictive and wonderful, and by I don't
Speaker 2: know the end of the credits of the second episode,
Speaker 2: I knew I could win the whole show.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So I mean, I'm assuming I'm gonna assume
Speaker 1: everybody listening has a general sense of what Traders are
Speaker 1: but or what Traders is, but let's just go over
Speaker 1: it as quickly as possible to sort of lay the ground.
Speaker 1: It's essentially, from my point of view, the game Mafia,
Speaker 1: which is like a party game that I've played before, right,
Speaker 1: and then there's other variations on it, like where Wolf
Speaker 1: right Secret. Hitler is the Bord version that came out
Speaker 1: like I want to say, eight years ago that became
Speaker 1: super popular. And there are always these games where you're
Speaker 1: either one of the masses who are innocent and helpful
Speaker 1: in this case faithful or a villager, or you're a
Speaker 1: killer or a Mafia member or a werewolf for Hitler
Speaker 1: or something evil, and you won't you don't know who's who,
Speaker 1: so you sit around and you basically lie to each
Speaker 1: other's faces. These games make me so uncomfortable. My wife
Speaker 1: and I have made it a rule to never play
Speaker 1: them again because they're very in Hollywood, these are very
Speaker 1: popular games, and my wife and I are very into games,
Speaker 1: like we do running charades all the time. We host
Speaker 1: huge running trades. It's been a huge part of our relationship.
Speaker 1: Right when we started dating, we started going to running
Speaker 1: charades games and then started hosting them ourselves, and it's
Speaker 1: become a big, like a pillar of our community, to
Speaker 1: the extent that we played like one hundred person running
Speaker 1: tarrades game at our wedding. I know. Yeah, we've done
Speaker 1: it for charity. We do it at Sundance every year.
Speaker 1: It's become like a big part of our identity. But
Speaker 1: we also as part of our sort of gaming community
Speaker 1: of friends, we always get invited to Mafia and Wearwoth
Speaker 1: Knights and Secret Hitler games. And we've only played a
Speaker 1: couple of times. And the last time we played Secret Hitler,
Speaker 1: I want to say, was like eight years ago. And
Speaker 1: my wife is like, you very good at line, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good at line when she wants to be, I
Speaker 1: am the exact opposite. I I cannot lie. I am.
Speaker 1: I get so tense, I get so emotional, and I
Speaker 1: get there, like the cognitive dissonance of look sking at
Speaker 1: somebody and not I can't do it. So within the
Speaker 1: last time we played, I just immediately caved. I was like, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm an not say I can't because someone here. Wait.
Speaker 1: They confronted me. They're like, but wait, you just said this,
Speaker 1: and why did you say that. I was like, you're right,
Speaker 1: I'm totally I'm totally a fascist. I'm sorry, I just
Speaker 1: I can't do it. In that same game, my life
Speaker 1: played it so well that when we finished, the game
Speaker 1: was over and somebody was so pissed. They were like,
Speaker 1: you're actually a Nazi, You're actually a knot and like
Speaker 1: got in her face. Oh god, and Alex was like,
Speaker 1: we can't do this anymore, like this game, like these
Speaker 1: games are too emotional, and I'm like, great, because I
Speaker 1: hate these things. So so I would be horrible on traders.
Speaker 1: I couldnot take. I mean like i'd be a good
Speaker 1: faithful because again, what you're doing, what you're doing is
Speaker 1: a faithful.
Speaker 2: It's essentially you're a detective. You're trying to and that's
Speaker 2: the other thing. It's like a memory game too, because
Speaker 2: what did you say three days ago? Because that doesn't
Speaker 2: match up with what you just said now?
Speaker 1: And bah. So that I thank you. Be very good.
Speaker 1: But I would be terrified to be sitting there. And
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody on this show is so excited
Speaker 1: to be a trader, like that's all they want to do, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not that.
Speaker 2: I think i'd want to be a faithful as much
Speaker 2: as as much as I can wear the.
Speaker 1: Hell out of a cloak.
Speaker 2: I think I think i'd want to be a faithful
Speaker 2: because I want to be able. Is that you're a
Speaker 2: sociopath who wanted to. Oh, I didn't say I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be great as being a trader, because I would. I
Speaker 2: had the same thing I told Sue when we first
Speaker 2: got together. And obviously this is not a conversation you
Speaker 2: should ever have to have with your partner. But because
Speaker 2: I'm an actor, because of the way I am, because
Speaker 2: I am incredibly good at lying, I said to her,
Speaker 2: I said, I'm never ever going to lie to you
Speaker 2: because I'm really good at it, You'll never know. And
Speaker 2: it's like, and I don't ever want to do that,
Speaker 2: So I'm never ever going to lie, and I haven't.
Speaker 2: So it's it's one of those things where because I am,
Speaker 2: I can just I mean again, I smoked for for
Speaker 2: how many years without my parents ever knowing, and started
Speaker 2: smoking pot when I was young without anybody ever knowing.
Speaker 2: Everyone blames my parents, and it's like, no, I was
Speaker 2: a master at hiding that shit.
Speaker 1: See, I never really knew this part of you, having
Speaker 1: known you, you know, since I was thirteen and you
Speaker 1: were sixteen. I always thought of you as just a
Speaker 1: great storyteller, you know, a funny performer, obviously a good
Speaker 1: improviser like there's but I've actually only seen it in action,
Speaker 1: where in public you took on a character and stuck
Speaker 1: with it. When we got into a cab, the uber
Speaker 1: and the woman we were on tour with our with
Speaker 1: the Podmets World, and we were in town to do
Speaker 1: a live show, and the woman, the woman driving, asked
Speaker 1: us what we were in town for, and I forget
Speaker 1: why you decided to do this. We somehow said that,
Speaker 1: but you were like, Oh, we're in town because of
Speaker 1: a podcast that we've created, and rather than telling the truth,
Speaker 1: you decided to do it a podcast all about crabs
Speaker 1: and crab fishing. And we were like what. Danielle and
Speaker 1: I were in the back seaquing where's this going? And
Speaker 1: then she was like, really crap, Oh I know, why
Speaker 1: were we somewhere where crabs are?
Speaker 2: Maybe I honestly don't remember where we were. I think
Speaker 2: he's playing yes, But.
Speaker 1: For a twenty thirty minute ride, she kept asking questions
Speaker 1: and you kept be answering them, and I kept waiting
Speaker 1: for you to be like, I can't do this, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm just kidding, because I was getting increasingly
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the deceit, even the harmless deceit that we
Speaker 1: were making up a different podcast that we were in
Speaker 1: town to promote. Do you remember what you started throwing
Speaker 1: from the backman? I wanted to make you cave, I
Speaker 1: said yeah. I said, well, we were working on the
Speaker 1: theme song in the flight over you want to sing
Speaker 1: the theme song for? And you didn't bat at I
Speaker 1: and did it? You did it?
Speaker 2: I called it in the Pot was the name of
Speaker 2: the podcast we did, And what was the theme song?
Speaker 2: Was like, We'll give you what we are, We'll give
Speaker 2: you what we got, We'll give you what we are
Speaker 2: because we were in the pot and I was like
Speaker 2: singing the thing as we were going on. I'd also
Speaker 2: like to point out out as a fan of Deadly
Speaker 2: as Catch. I'd like to say that not a single
Speaker 2: fact that I told her was incorrect. Everything I told
Speaker 2: her about all the different species of crab and everything,
Speaker 2: all of them were everything I told her.
Speaker 1: The only thing I lied about was everything else. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: I've i've as a reality show watcher. I've really only
Speaker 1: watched Survivor of shows in this vein, and mostly I
Speaker 1: got into it because of the survival factor, which no
Speaker 1: longer is really they don't even do on Survivor anymore now,
Speaker 1: Survivors has become. Yeah, it's mostly strategy. They don't really
Speaker 1: focus on Like if you watch the early seasons, they
Speaker 1: really focused on, you know, how do you build a fire?
Speaker 1: That's what I seed the season season two pretty much,
Speaker 1: I'm as far as I understand that the contestants are
Speaker 1: still dealing with that, but they don't focus on in
Speaker 1: their coverage. It's mostly people coming in and strategizing how
Speaker 1: to manipulate one another form. But even that one has
Speaker 1: much more of a physical component to you know, there's
Speaker 1: a physical challenge thing. The puzzles that they do, uh
Speaker 1: Traders is very interesting because it's most just social manipulation presentation,
Speaker 1: and the challenges are somewhat physical so far that I've noticed,
Speaker 1: they're not quite the point. The point is about who
Speaker 1: you pick to help you in a challenge, how you
Speaker 1: screw somebody over. And the money seems almost beside the point,
Speaker 1: like they're running around getting money, but it's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot, and no one seems to really care about that.
Speaker 2: And it also it's it's for somebody who deals with anxiety.
Speaker 2: You would think this is exactly the place I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to be because it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: you are you're you have to listen to what everything
Speaker 2: everybody says, and you're second guessing what everybody says and
Speaker 2: are they really my friend?
Speaker 1: Are they not?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, it is absolute aci.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Now let me tell you what is
Speaker 1: not my nightmare? The setting. I love a good castle,
Speaker 1: a beautiful challenge and cloaks all the like Druid inspired
Speaker 1: wicker mass styles. YEA love it. This is there's a
Speaker 1: bookcase with a hidden like engines. Yeah. I was made
Speaker 1: for this setting. So I am into that way more
Speaker 1: than I would say him survivor, you know, tropic.
Speaker 2: I googled it is. It is apparently twenty like twenty
Speaker 2: five minutes outside of Inverness.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, everybody's trying to get it there now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's it's a gordiful castle.
Speaker 2: And again then then you've got one of the most
Speaker 2: fabulous hosts in the history of the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Alan Comming. I've seen him on stage a
Speaker 1: couple of times. He's one of these legendary, legendary actors
Speaker 1: who doesn't often get to do his own accent. No,
Speaker 1: it really does have that Scottish accent, and man, he
Speaker 1: is letting it, letting it fly?
Speaker 2: Was I with you in New York when we saw
Speaker 2: him at you and I were having lunch somewhere and
Speaker 2: then he came in a full lime green with the
Speaker 2: tiny little dog on the leash? Was I want to
Speaker 2: say that you and I were together when we saw him?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's so. Yeah, that's right. He had like
Speaker 1: a fool like a like an overcoat that was clean
Speaker 1: and a hat too, I think, yeah, of course, So
Speaker 1: this really is kind of his style to be this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to be this fabulous and it's and it works.
Speaker 1: I wonder what happened first then did they create the
Speaker 1: show like for him or did they just kind of
Speaker 1: have this idea for the show? And then I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a UK version.
Speaker 2: I think this is all based on a UK version
Speaker 2: which is older, which I don't know if he hosts
Speaker 2: that one as well, because I've only seen the American version.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, Shall we get into the cast? Heck? Yes,
Speaker 1: all right? So everybody is driven to a castle in
Speaker 1: the middle of Scotland, I guess outside Inverness, and this
Speaker 1: season a lot of people I have no idea who
Speaker 1: anybody is not gonna lie I have culturally disabled Yep.
Speaker 1: All right, let's start with Candice Dillard Bassett, a real
Speaker 1: housewive of the Potomac. Don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: I don't know who that is either. No, never never
Speaker 2: seen this person before.
Speaker 1: Colton Underwood who was on the back. Was he the
Speaker 1: bachelor at one point? Yeah, okay, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Didn't know him either, Caroly I think he's a football
Speaker 2: player who then came out as gay.
Speaker 1: I believe. Oh, I think he was a professionelor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though he's gay, he didn't come he came
Speaker 2: out after Okay, So he was a football player and
Speaker 2: then he was a bachelor and then he came out
Speaker 2: as gay.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Okay, Wow, that's a that's a.
Speaker 2: Series of progression. Yeah, it's a progression, definitely.
Speaker 1: Caroline Stanbury, Real Housewives of Dubai. No, Donna Kelcey. I'd
Speaker 1: heard of Donna Kelcey. I had not heard of Donna Kelcey.
Speaker 1: But I've heard the name Travis and Jason. That's what
Speaker 1: I should say.
Speaker 2: All people there's sportsball people and he's married to singer
Speaker 2: lady are going to.
Speaker 1: Be Yeah, exactly Eric Knaum is a singer songwriter who
Speaker 1: I have no idea and now we're going to look
Speaker 1: him up. Dorinda Medley another real housewife. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of housewives coming.
Speaker 2: I knew Dirinda only because she was the first person
Speaker 2: kicked off of the last season.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Oh so they said that, right, And.
Speaker 2: I know watches some of these housewives, so she knew
Speaker 2: some of them.
Speaker 1: Okay, Ian Terry from Big Brother. Nope. Johnny Weird an
Speaker 1: Olympic figure skater. I knew Johnny.
Speaker 2: You know Johnny whare No?
Speaker 1: When was he in the Olympics? Like how long? Nineties?
Speaker 2: I want to say, But he's he's become very well
Speaker 2: known because he and Tara Lepinske, who's also on the
Speaker 2: show as a skater. Yeah. Uh, they are like co
Speaker 2: hosts of all the Olympic events. So like the big
Speaker 2: the big one of the faces of the Olympic ice
Speaker 2: skating right now for like on location with my they
Speaker 2: are and he's always got these really fabulous So he's
Speaker 2: a two time Olympian in two thousand and six and
Speaker 2: twenty ten. Wow, not the radies, and so he's always
Speaker 2: got like Alan Cumming, he's always decked out in all
Speaker 2: this pretty amazing stuff. And he's really funny, like legitimately funny.
Speaker 1: Kristin Kish is a pop chef. You must know she
Speaker 1: know her, she's ours.
Speaker 2: Now she's a house She was a contestant, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: and then she went from being a contestant to taking
Speaker 2: over for pad Malakshmi. And we love pad Mlashmie. We're like,
Speaker 2: no one's going to replace Padma. And then Kristin came
Speaker 2: in and we actually like her more interesting and she
Speaker 2: is and again I know it's not about looks, of course,
Speaker 2: not because she's funny and smart, but she's arguably one
Speaker 2: of the best looking women I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: You know what, she extricts me. She's beautiful, but she's
Speaker 1: also very cool. Yeah, super cool. She's like, man, I
Speaker 1: sort to hang out with you, like you seek cool.
Speaker 2: I met her at D twenty three and I literally
Speaker 2: walked up and I was like, my wife and I
Speaker 2: love you, and she's like, oh, thank you very much
Speaker 2: because and she was as cool there.
Speaker 1: I appreciate like the idea because I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: maybe chefs are just kind of cool in general, but
Speaker 1: like she just doesn't give off host vibes, which I
Speaker 1: was intrigued. I was like, she's a host and so
Speaker 1: laid back and yeah cool, great Top Chef host. Lisa
Speaker 1: Rinna a real housewife of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: I knew her because she was an actress. I think
Speaker 2: she's married to Harry Hamlin and she was on I
Speaker 2: think a soap opera for years and years and years.
Speaker 2: People also don't like her very much. I don't think
Speaker 2: as a housewife. I think she's like one of the
Speaker 2: hated housewives. I think, but I've never seen an episode
Speaker 2: in my life. Oh, apparently everybody loves her. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: have no idea. Oh but she's no longer on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no idea, all right.
Speaker 1: Mark Ballas hey Holder, frame Mark older, frame mark a. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Dancing with the Stars. Great to see him on here.
Speaker 1: I really did love him on this last season. Came
Speaker 1: to really appreciate his choreography. And yeah, it seemed like
Speaker 1: he was with who had a great work in Whitney.
Speaker 1: That's right. They had a really I mean they got
Speaker 1: really close. I mean I feel like they were contenders.
Speaker 1: Maura Higgins Nope Island. Oh but you I thought you
Speaker 1: were a Love Island person.
Speaker 2: I am but there's thirty seven seasons of Love Island,
Speaker 2: and they're ninety five episodes a season, so we got
Speaker 2: like three seasons in and bout out. So I doubt
Speaker 2: that she had we ever saw her, no idea that was.
Speaker 2: But she's bringing a lovely accent. Do you think sot
Speaker 2: into the accent?
Speaker 1: All right? Michael Rapp Report actor, I've known him forever,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a huge fan of when I
Speaker 1: was a teenager, The movie Beautiful Girls. I don't remember no,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. For whatever reason, that was one of
Speaker 1: those movies there's like a whole series of movies where
Speaker 1: we're like people going home for the holidays and like
Speaker 1: in her twenties, reflecting on their adolescence. That was a
Speaker 1: really good one, kind of a forgotten masterpiece. And Michael
Speaker 1: rapp Report is so good in that movie. Really, I've
Speaker 1: never really liked him in anything else.
Speaker 2: Oh really, he was great in Oh God, what's the
Speaker 2: one with Brad Pitt. It's the whole huge cast. It
Speaker 2: was one of the first ones that Quentin Tarantino wrote
Speaker 2: but didn't direct. Oh It's Gonna Kill Me. True Romance,
Speaker 2: True Romance.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't seen that for ages. I don't
Speaker 1: even remember him in that.
Speaker 2: He was the he was Brad Pitt's roommate, who actually
Speaker 2: is the the actor. Yeah, and he was great and
Speaker 2: Higher Learning too, he played the crazy skinhead and Higher
Speaker 2: Learning which was another good movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean maybe I just haven't seen much of
Speaker 1: his career beyond Beautiful Girl, but I always associated with
Speaker 1: Beautiful Girls. Wonderful movie. All right, monet exchange for RuPaul's
Speaker 1: drag race no idea. Natalie Anderson from Survivor I actually
Speaker 1: do know. Okay, this is she's She was also on
Speaker 1: Amazing Race, okay with I think she did Amazing Race
Speaker 1: with her sister. I think that's where she started, and
Speaker 1: then she ended up going on Survivor. I love her,
Speaker 1: love her. At one episode she just came out wearing
Speaker 1: a bra and a jacket.
Speaker 2: Yep, that was It was literally a joke on Seinfelm
Speaker 2: like she's just wearing a bra and I was like,
Speaker 2: what did she In.
Speaker 1: General, the Trader's clothing thing is a real.
Speaker 2: Called Traders The Land of Stupid Hats is what the
Speaker 2: name of this show.
Speaker 1: She had and fuzzy sweaters, lots of fuzzy It's like
Speaker 1: the textures are textures and colors. I'm sitting there. I
Speaker 1: was like, by episode three, I'm like, well, this is
Speaker 1: just like we're gonna look back in like twenty years
Speaker 1: and be like, man, the twenty twenties were crazy. Look,
Speaker 1: you know the same way that we do, like when
Speaker 1: we see like insane late sixties early seventies outfits of
Speaker 1: people war on TV, and then it like goes through
Speaker 1: periods where it gets more subdued. You know, we're like,
Speaker 1: but we're in a crazy We're in a keycocking period,
Speaker 1: Like everybody is just let me go nuts, and this
Speaker 1: show is the epitome of that.
Speaker 2: That's what scared me when I first watched it. I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I don't have the outfits to be
Speaker 2: on this show. And then I saw Rappaport walk on
Speaker 2: with like his regular shirt on. I'm like, okay, I'll
Speaker 2: be fine.
Speaker 1: You'll be that guy. Yeah, I'll be fine, all right.
Speaker 1: Portia Williams another Real Housewives. I mean, so how many
Speaker 1: housewives sleep?
Speaker 2: It seems like they did that last year too. They
Speaker 2: had a lot of housewives, a lot of survivor. I
Speaker 2: guess they're just called not the housewives, but the survivor
Speaker 2: and uh, like Big Brother people. I guess they're just
Speaker 2: called gamers. I guess Love Island technically are gamers.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: The other one that no one from this season but
Speaker 2: the last two seasons was the Challenge on MTV.
Speaker 1: Right right, okay, right, all right? Rob Cesternino was from Survivor.
Speaker 1: But I must have missed this season because I don't
Speaker 1: know who he is.
Speaker 2: I don't know either, Rob. She was really smart too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, which is what he was, right
Speaker 1: to get rid of him? All right, Rob Rousch from
Speaker 1: Love Island. You know you didn't know that one either.
Speaker 1: Ron Funches. I do know who he is after, comedian,
Speaker 1: very funny guy. Yep uh. Stephen Colletti from One Tree Hill.
Speaker 2: Sue said she knows him from something else too. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just and Laguna Beach, that's but One.
Speaker 1: Tree Hill was like late nineties, early aunts, right I think?
Speaker 2: So? Yeah, Hill was a regular show, right, yeah, like
Speaker 2: it's a show show.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't a reality show. It was a show. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's the show that Leon Norris was on.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Orris was a part of that. He played mouth. I've
Speaker 1: never seen it. I mean multiple people who worked on
Speaker 1: it or were on it. But so he's kind of
Speaker 1: like a contemporary of Bars. Okay, cool, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Tara Lipinsky another Olympic figure skater. You know who she is?
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 2: She was and she's Johnny Weir's partner. Now she's terrible.
Speaker 2: Pinske I think was the gold medal. She was a
Speaker 2: gold medalist, like she won the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Cool. Tiffany Mitchell from Big Brother, No Clue. And then
Speaker 1: Jam Jam from Survivor, who I did actually know I
Speaker 1: season he won apparently, which this was news to me,
Speaker 1: but I definitely watched the beginning of his season. I
Speaker 1: think it might have been the last might have been
Speaker 1: the last season. Anyway, I had watched the beginning of it,
Speaker 1: but my family finished it without me, so I knew
Speaker 1: who he was, all right, going in based on what
Speaker 1: you knew, any predictions, any people you were behind saying
Speaker 1: this is this is my person, I'm rooting for them now.
Speaker 2: I was rooting for Kristen Kish and for Mark Ballast
Speaker 2: because I know them. But no, I have no idea
Speaker 2: whatsoever who I was going to like or who I
Speaker 2: wasn't or none.
Speaker 1: How about you, because you had survivor of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I came in. I was like, Natalie's Natalie's got a
Speaker 1: good shot and I'm still I was like, I think
Speaker 1: because she has a way of being very forceful and
Speaker 1: very strong, but not obnoxious like she doesn't she does
Speaker 1: and bug people, and I was like, that's a good
Speaker 1: position to be in, you know, which I think has
Speaker 1: played out a little bit not she hasn't spoken up
Speaker 1: that much. And then I was rooting for Mark Ballast
Speaker 1: just because I liked him with the stars, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this will be cool. But I kind
Speaker 1: of also thought jam Jam had a has a good shot,
Speaker 1: has had a good shot, I feel less so after
Speaker 1: watching the first three, well he's really he's like really likable,
Speaker 1: and if he ends up being a trader, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to get away with it.
Speaker 2: I also thought Donna Donna Kelsey really had a shot
Speaker 2: only because and they mentioned it on the first episode.
Speaker 2: No one would want to vote against her because of
Speaker 2: the Swifties, right, they're an army. It's like if you
Speaker 2: sneeze in her direction, they want to kill you. So no,
Speaker 2: everyone even alluded to the fact where they're like I
Speaker 2: don't want to vote against her because so she had
Speaker 2: a legitimate shot. I thought of taking the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, you were wrong. I know, I'll say, I
Speaker 1: guess everybody. I couldn't believe the way that all that
Speaker 1: went down. All right, let's get into this. Yeah. Episode one,
Speaker 1: they introduce all the players outside of the castle. We
Speaker 1: got flames, then we got this new thing, which I mean,
Speaker 1: all of this was new to me, but this notion
Speaker 1: of a secret trader. Oh, brilliant idea, really great idea.
Speaker 1: Now that I've watched three episodes with the Secret Trader,
Speaker 1: I don't know how this show works without the Secret
Speaker 1: Trader because part of the phone was not knowing who
Speaker 1: the trader was, like exactly, yes, man, I was. I was.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there guessing constantly based on people's behavior.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a really cool wrinkle that
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to keep up because it was it
Speaker 1: was pretty fun great anyway, So all the all the
Speaker 1: contestants went up one by one. Alan Cummings showed off
Speaker 1: a card box that he opens up and one of
Speaker 1: them see is that they're a trader. We find out
Speaker 1: who that is in episode three, but once the trader
Speaker 1: was chosen. They all go into the castle. They get
Speaker 1: to mingle. No windows in this castle, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you got everything out of bock,
Speaker 1: everything out.
Speaker 2: They also allude several times to how hot it is
Speaker 2: in there. You heard them say, like, it's so hot
Speaker 2: in here, so they're probably blocking off everything.
Speaker 1: It's stifling. There's lights everywhere.
Speaker 2: They're all caked in makeup, with all that fabulous outfit.
Speaker 2: They're all probably sweating profusely in there as they're doing
Speaker 2: their show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then getting drunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like there's probably some some alcoholics.
Speaker 1: Good food. Yeah, all right. Yeah. So then they sit
Speaker 1: around a table and they put on their blind folds,
Speaker 1: and the traders are chosen. So this is the way
Speaker 1: traders are usually chosen, right, correct? Okay, so yeah, this
Speaker 1: is all the same. They get a little tap on
Speaker 1: the shoulder, which is very tense, very tense. This would
Speaker 1: be my nightmare. This is why I would be sweating bullets,
Speaker 1: and which is so you would not want the tap.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, no, please don't tap me.
Speaker 1: Please don't let me be honest and upfront and building
Speaker 1: alliances based on you know, but even that's stressful because
Speaker 1: as the show goes on, I'm like, I, no one
Speaker 1: knows shit, man, Now do you know if someone's lying?
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 1: And I'm so trusting. If someone looked me in the
Speaker 1: eyes and was like, rider, I am a faithful, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just I would just be like, Okay, okay, I
Speaker 1: shall believe you. Yeah, I believe you.
Speaker 2: But you can also tell Alan. You know, he has
Speaker 2: those preliminary interviews with everybody before the roundtable, and I
Speaker 2: saw especially more last year than this year. Last year
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of people like, I want to be
Speaker 2: a faithful I really want to be a faithful I
Speaker 2: want to root out traders, whereas this year you got
Speaker 2: more people going like I'd be the best trader in
Speaker 2: the world. I don't know what I'd tell him other
Speaker 2: than you're fabulous and don't wear stupid hats like everybody
Speaker 2: else is wearing.
Speaker 1: Well. I wonder how they make this decision, because this
Speaker 1: is the central decision of Oh and then I have
Speaker 1: another question, are there more traders as that as the
Speaker 1: season goes on, there can be if if traders would
Speaker 1: betting picked off one at a time, they can also
Speaker 1: have the ability to go instead of murdering somebody, saying
Speaker 1: you either die tonight or you become one of us.
Speaker 2: So it's like they there's times where they can go
Speaker 2: to murder somebody and instead turn them, So.
Speaker 1: The traders get to decide if they want to not
Speaker 1: murder somebody.
Speaker 2: And no, it's not the traders like they'll come back
Speaker 2: Like last year, Alan would come into the tower and
Speaker 2: be like everyone, what happen And he'll say, like, you
Speaker 2: can either kill this person tonight or you can turn
Speaker 2: them to the traders. And then they've got to you know,
Speaker 2: the fun part, and I'm sure it'll happen at some point,
Speaker 2: is when the traders start turning on each other. I
Speaker 2: mean that's when they're they're throwing each other under the
Speaker 2: bus dating.
Speaker 1: Could they technically murder each other?
Speaker 2: No, but they can get themselves. They can have one
Speaker 2: of the other people eliminated.
Speaker 1: Wait, Tars saying yes at the roundtable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the round table. They can they can banish somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can sell the trades, right, so they
Speaker 1: could banish somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they can't murder somebody, but they can banish somebody.
Speaker 1: But now do the traders always have to agree on
Speaker 1: who they're murdering or is it just I think so
Speaker 1: because there's been Yeah, yeah you do, but like a
Speaker 1: lot of them don't.
Speaker 2: It's usually like two out of three vote and ones
Speaker 2: upset with the decision, like that's happened many times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm also wondering. So Sue and I were talking about it,
Speaker 2: like a lot of the logistics where it's how do
Speaker 2: they how do they guarantee nobody sees the traders leaving
Speaker 2: the building to go to the tower.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously they have cameras everywhere. Well, but that's that's
Speaker 1: my other question.
Speaker 2: Is is it like do you hear, you know, an
Speaker 2: announcement like all right, everybody's stay in your room. Nobody's
Speaker 2: allowed to leave your room for them.
Speaker 1: You heard there's a dong At one point there was
Speaker 1: like a thing telling them to go to bed.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I'm wondering if that's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like you're not allowed to leave, you're not allowed
Speaker 2: to do anything. Because we're just wondering the legit and
Speaker 2: exactly what you were saying, do does Alan coming get
Speaker 2: to pick who they are? Are all the producers deciding
Speaker 2: who who's going to be the Trader. I mean, my
Speaker 2: guess is the producers sit around and they figure out
Speaker 2: who they.
Speaker 1: Want to pick. They don't stay in the castle. What, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not actually like jumping there. They go to a hotel. Yes,
Speaker 1: every night. That's so sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when they walk upstairs to bed, they're not
Speaker 2: really walking upstairs to bed.
Speaker 1: No. And those those glamorous shots of them in like
Speaker 1: their room or the bathtub like we saw Dylan like
Speaker 1: shirtless and every scene last week.
Speaker 2: All did last season was work out with weights at
Speaker 2: twelve o'clock at night, and it's like, why are you
Speaker 2: doing sit ups?
Speaker 1: So they were faking that. It's definitely like, it's definitely yeah,
Speaker 1: they're okay. I was curious because whenever they like walked
Speaker 1: out to get murdered, I was like, where are they?
Speaker 1: Where are they walking into a room with a chair,
Speaker 1: you know, like the geography never quite made sense to me. So,
Speaker 1: all right, so they don't stay at the castle. You're
Speaker 1: upset about this. I am a little upset.
Speaker 2: I'm no, I want to go. I still want to
Speaker 2: go on the show, but not as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can stay to Radison here, probably a nicer
Speaker 1: spot than the ratis. Yeah, probably okay, So it's raison,
Speaker 1: all right, Candice, Lisa and Rob R. Robert. I had
Speaker 1: no feelings about any of this because who any of
Speaker 1: them were. I didn't either, but they were all stoked. Yeah, them,
Speaker 1: we're stoked.
Speaker 2: And is there a reason why? Candice through most of
Speaker 2: the first episode was dressed like a flight attendant from
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy. It was like she was dressed like a
Speaker 2: PanAm flight attendant from the seven was like, what.
Speaker 1: Are you wearing? That's kind of a vibe throughout all
Speaker 1: of them because I'm trying to in the last.
Speaker 2: Time they picked their own outfits. Of course they do.
Speaker 2: Nobody's picking that but her.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then there was the one woman they Stansberry, who
Speaker 2: was had borrowed the jacket from the lead singer of
Speaker 2: Talking Heads, the huge jacket she was wearing, and then
Speaker 2: everyone went to dumb hat store. It was it was
Speaker 2: an interesting, interesting first episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, I dig the amount of money just on
Speaker 1: their clothing, Like these are like thousands of dollars in
Speaker 1: outfits that these but they must bring their own is
Speaker 1: what she is? What? Yeah? They so? I mean they
Speaker 1: they're showing up with a It's a lot. I'd be
Speaker 1: sponsored by Target. It's all my clothes would be from Target. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. We we met up in the turret where
Speaker 1: the traders took.
Speaker 2: Their Wait, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For so they're picked around table and they're in the blindfold.
Speaker 2: The second they say take your blindfold off, would you
Speaker 2: rip your blindfold off to then stare at everybody to
Speaker 2: see if anybody had a weird reaction? Or do you
Speaker 2: think that would draw too much attention to yourself for
Speaker 2: then people thinking, oh, he's overdoing it, he's obviously a trader.
Speaker 1: No, I would, well, I don't know. I would definitely.
Speaker 1: I can't see. This is why I'd be so bad.
Speaker 1: I would just do it. I would just look at everybody,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I would get any answers, right Like.
Speaker 1: My takeaway so far from the show is that there's
Speaker 1: just no way to read people right like, and maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just horrible at it, but I have been consistently
Speaker 1: wrong in my predictions. Right, absolutely, everybody right, because because
Speaker 1: we don't know who the secret trader is, so I
Speaker 1: haven't seen there going like.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I called that from I called that from
Speaker 2: step one. But I also, oh god, of course of
Speaker 2: course because it's party.
Speaker 1: It was perfect. It was perfect. But you're just thinking
Speaker 1: like a producer then, or were you reading the situation. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: totally just thinking like a producer. No, had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with how they were all thinking, apparently because they
Speaker 1: were right, and I was sitting there going, poor Donna,
Speaker 1: there's no way. Oh see, that's I'd be so bad
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, that was so that's what I was thinking,
Speaker 2: was because as I said that, I was sitting here
Speaker 2: watching Sue and I was like, oh, first thing I
Speaker 2: would do, rip off my blindfold and stare around the table,
Speaker 2: see if I can catch somebody smiling or something. And
Speaker 2: she's like, no, the second you do that, they're gonna
Speaker 2: think you're over doing it. And then now you've drawn
Speaker 2: attention to yourself because you can also just get banished.
Speaker 2: So if everyone's like I saw you at the table
Speaker 2: and I felt like you were so that's all other things.
Speaker 1: You also just don't want to be annoying, like you
Speaker 1: just realized that like a lot of times, they're just
Speaker 1: voting out people like like Michael Rappaport is not long
Speaker 1: for this castle, and it's because he's just bugging the
Speaker 1: crap out of everybody. It's like, you know, even knowing
Speaker 1: he's not a I was kind of thinking he was
Speaker 1: the secret Trader.
Speaker 2: Because I thought so maybe for a brief second there,
Speaker 2: and then I was like, he can't be. He's just
Speaker 2: doth protest too much.
Speaker 1: He's just like, dude, it's not about you, calm down.
Speaker 1: But he's just manages to like make everything about him
Speaker 1: and just like I'm a true I'm a hunter, I'm
Speaker 1: a trader, hunt, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, suck, I'm a trader and you know it, clap
Speaker 2: your hands. I was like, I hope they vote him
Speaker 2: off even if they don't think he's a trader. At
Speaker 2: this point, they go to the turret, so they're picked
Speaker 2: those three or picked.
Speaker 1: Right, they're happy about it. I guess they picked the
Speaker 1: right people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there would have been anybody there
Speaker 2: that would have been unhappy to if you picked to
Speaker 2: be a trader. I don't think you go on that
Speaker 2: show if you only want to be a.
Speaker 1: Faithful right, So, which is why I should not go
Speaker 1: on the show. You'll be fine when we're there.
Speaker 2: I'll take care of you or i'll take carry you
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: The next day the first mission coffins floating in a
Speaker 1: lock and lock they got to throw out in groups,
Speaker 1: pick up coffins, bring them back and throw the I
Speaker 1: mean this amazing.
Speaker 2: There's what a hundred coffins in the lock and some
Speaker 2: of them are dollar signs, in some of them an ex's.
Speaker 2: So if you find a dollar sign, you have to
Speaker 2: hook it up to your boat and bring it all
Speaker 2: the way back to the shore. And you thought that's
Speaker 2: all you had to do and then throw it in,
Speaker 2: but no, then of course there's the other twist, which
Speaker 2: is you have to put it in the coffin.
Speaker 1: You have to put it in the ground, in the
Speaker 1: grave of one of your fellow people, get a pool
Speaker 1: from which they can be murdered. They can be murdered.
Speaker 1: So it's even that right, So that's where, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the psychological factor that you know, because the physical challenges
Speaker 1: don't seem that hard. It's not like on Survivor. It's
Speaker 1: like real you know, they're like climbing, they have to
Speaker 1: work in teams and do crazy physically exhausting things. This
Speaker 1: is like not that hard, But there's always a psychological element, right,
Speaker 1: like how are you going to you know, choose your
Speaker 1: group turn on people you know from the other team
Speaker 1: or from the other boats. Yeah, a lot of chaos.
Speaker 1: I couldn't really keep up with, like who was with
Speaker 1: who at this point it felt a little muddy muddy
Speaker 1: for me, like I just I just couldn't tell you, like.
Speaker 2: I don't think there was any who's doing. I don't
Speaker 2: think there was because there was no There was no
Speaker 2: real rhyme or reason to it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like you grab the thing, you
Speaker 2: go and then you throw it into the ground.
Speaker 1: So they weren't working in teams even though they were.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was confused. But wasn't there drama atwards? Yes,
Speaker 1: because they're this like question whether Michael Rappaport had said
Speaker 1: put it in one of the housewives, which.
Speaker 2: I thought he did, was I thought you did.
Speaker 1: I was going crazy because they keep acting as if
Speaker 1: he didn't say it.
Speaker 2: And I thought he did, yeah, and Susan said he didn't,
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, he did.
Speaker 1: He said put it in one of the housewives.
Speaker 2: And then somebody said no, we don't. We're not just
Speaker 2: going to target the housewives like I could have sworn
Speaker 2: he said that.
Speaker 1: I am so with you dude. Okay, so confused by
Speaker 1: this good because I was like, wait, like when when
Speaker 1: Candice like backed down from that, I was like, but
Speaker 1: but he did. He did say thanks. I thought the
Speaker 1: same thing. So were we both having like a Mandela
Speaker 1: effect here?
Speaker 2: Maybe she I don't know. I'll have to go back
Speaker 2: and watch it again. I could have sworn he said
Speaker 2: something about putting it in the ground in one of
Speaker 2: the Housewives.
Speaker 1: Man, I was so yeah, I just like totally like
Speaker 1: got gas lip by the conversation me to the next
Speaker 1: two episodes that I was like, oh, I guess he
Speaker 1: didn't say it, and she really was just being you know,
Speaker 1: manipulative by bringing it up in the car. No, but okay,
Speaker 1: sort of God, he said it. I thought he said it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Otherwise it felt pretty random. Who ended up with a grave?
Speaker 1: You know? And yeah, you know they they were just
Speaker 1: marked for death apparently.
Speaker 2: But there's a couple of people remember where it was, like,
Speaker 2: was it Mark? It might have been Mark Ballas who
Speaker 2: they had to go out of their way to make.
Speaker 2: He even said, He's like, well that wasn't convenient, Like
Speaker 2: you had to walk like three back to put it
Speaker 2: in in his thing.
Speaker 1: So it's like, why are you picking?
Speaker 2: And by that point I don't think he'd spoken a
Speaker 2: word since the beginning of the show.
Speaker 1: Yes, very subdued. I actually am concerned. I was like,
Speaker 1: he's not speaking up enough. But also maybe that's the
Speaker 1: way to go play under the redit car.
Speaker 2: Yes, let them get to separate the wheat from the chaff,
Speaker 2: kind of get to where you got it, because the.
Speaker 1: Strong personalities are already getting on my nerves exactly, and.
Speaker 2: They're going to be voted on. Yeah, just yes, this dude.
Speaker 2: The second thing I have soron is on you. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, oh, so you got to make sure there's
Speaker 2: this hands over here, so then you're just over here,
Speaker 2: just nice quiet, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, all right. So in the car on the way
Speaker 1: back from the challenge is where this drama with Candace
Speaker 1: and Portia and man Candace is a lot.
Speaker 2: I also don't think she's particularly good. She's not No,
Speaker 2: I don't think she's particularly good. She doesn't remember what
Speaker 2: she said yep. And yeah, Porscha is also truly horrible
Speaker 2: at this game. Awful.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of people that are not good, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, she got voted out and I was like
Speaker 1: I would have voted for you, and I knew she wasn't.
Speaker 1: Well I guess she could have been a secret trader,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, yeah, vote for her because
Speaker 1: she's slipped slipped of the tongue saying we killed what
Speaker 1: you're saying twice and you have every opportunity to defend
Speaker 1: yourself and you don't really have a good defense. So anyway,
Speaker 1: but Candace and Candace decided to like tell this maybe
Speaker 1: a lie, but you and I.
Speaker 2: The truth.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2: Then Maura is another one because when they said said, hey, well, Maura,
Speaker 2: you were in the car.
Speaker 1: What did she say?
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: No, I don't even remember being on the show, Like wait, what,
Speaker 1: I'm not here. It was weird. They were all sort
Speaker 1: of like backing down. Yeah, interesting, but I mean that's
Speaker 1: where like Rappaport was so confrontations, like what she said,
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna go talk right now?
Speaker 2: Yes, And so either he's the hell out.
Speaker 1: I love that one.
Speaker 2: I forget who it was who said it at the end.
Speaker 2: It might have been Rob c but one of them
Speaker 2: at the end was like, either you're the worst trader
Speaker 2: in the history of the world or you're a bad
Speaker 2: faithful like kind of either way you should go because
Speaker 2: you're it's it's one of the two and neither one
Speaker 2: of those are conducive to the game essentially, right, So
Speaker 2: it was, yeah, he's very grading.
Speaker 1: All right. They get back and have that little confrontation,
Speaker 1: and then the players go to bed. Traders get together,
Speaker 1: and now this whole aspect with a secret trader got
Speaker 1: to send them the list from which they chose super
Speaker 1: interesting because otherwise normally they would just be wide open, right,
Speaker 1: they could just pick whoever they wanted.
Speaker 2: From that from the list of whoever lost the game
Speaker 2: from the graveyard. Yes, so if they didn't get a
Speaker 2: shield in one of these things or something like that,
Speaker 2: then it's like, that's your pool to pick from. But
Speaker 2: normally in the ones I've seen the traders get together
Speaker 2: and here the five we can pick from. Who are
Speaker 2: we gonna pick?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And this that's not this time now it's and it
Speaker 2: makes sense too that the list they send has four
Speaker 2: because the secret trader also doesn't know who the regular
Speaker 2: traders are. So if they just picked the three traders,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, we can't murder anybody on that list, right,
Speaker 2: So that's why there's four people, because one of them
Speaker 2: has to at least be eligible to kill.
Speaker 1: Well, so here's a question, because this came up. One
Speaker 1: of the things that Porsche slipped up about was saying
Speaker 1: four traders, and is it always four? Is there a
Speaker 1: number of traders? Is it? I thought it was three.
Speaker 1: I thought it was three.
Speaker 2: But again they change because there's a secret trader, or
Speaker 2: they bring somebody in later, or maybe there's now there's
Speaker 2: just two after they kick somebody out. So I think
Speaker 2: the most there's gonna be as four, but I've seen
Speaker 2: as little as two and as many as four. I
Speaker 2: think normally it was three.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the four people on the secret Traders list
Speaker 1: were rob are, Ian, Mark, and Eric. Rob Ar is
Speaker 1: one of the traders. Yeah, so he wasn't gonna I
Speaker 1: thought the trader's reaction to this was they didn't investigate
Speaker 1: them enough, because like, these were really interesting choices. They
Speaker 1: were kind of like bland and a little generic, yeah,
Speaker 1: like and it didn't seem based on anything strategy and anything.
Speaker 1: And I'm the traders were just kind of like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't get it, and then they just picked one.
Speaker 1: But I would have taken more time to try and
Speaker 1: figure out who the secret trader was based on this list.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would have been able to
Speaker 1: do that, But after the fact, I was like, why
Speaker 1: didn't they analyze that more? Like why didn't they say, like,
Speaker 1: who's picking just kind of these four dudes who haven't
Speaker 1: really stood out, like not anybody who's been annoying, not
Speaker 1: anybody you know. In retrospect, I don't know if there
Speaker 1: was much strategy. I think it was just kind of
Speaker 1: picking names out of a hat.
Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking about.
Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But you're obviously in this castle, you're killing time, you
Speaker 2: don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: People are playing chess.
Speaker 2: I would have gotten together a good old fashioned Hangman
Speaker 2: game and I would have played with everybody because then
Speaker 2: I get to see your handwriting and I would have
Speaker 2: been able to match it to whatever is on the list,
Speaker 2: and I would have instantly been like, Oh, that's that's
Speaker 2: a secret trader.
Speaker 1: Bam, right there, you're you're evil, my friend. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Where's my cloak? No,
Speaker 1: we're good, all right. They decided to uh to murder
Speaker 1: ian Ian who's a gamer, which I guess makes sense.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get rid of Eric, who I don't
Speaker 2: know who that is. I'm sure they don't either. I
Speaker 2: guess he's a singer songwriter.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it seemed pretty generically he has not made
Speaker 1: any ways. It's not like formed big alliances. That's obvious. No,
Speaker 1: I mean the housewives were the only people that really
Speaker 1: seemed banded together, right. I mean, I guess the two
Speaker 1: figure skaters, but they are intentionally avoiding each other. Remember
Speaker 1: he said, they're like, we're not gonna let every which
Speaker 1: is super smart. But the housewives keep actually voicing their
Speaker 1: alliance and their you know, allegiance to one another, which
Speaker 1: I think is a big mistake. Although I guess in
Speaker 1: the same and in the fact that two of them
Speaker 1: are writers, it's going to work in their favor.
Speaker 2: But I would like to know how far in advance,
Speaker 2: if at all, you know who else you're going to
Speaker 2: be on the show with, right, because my guess, because
Speaker 2: again I would think hopefully they don't let them know
Speaker 2: at all, because all you would do is if you
Speaker 2: google Tarle Penske, you would see that the skaters are
Speaker 2: together in all types of weather.
Speaker 1: They're best friends.
Speaker 2: So they would never be able to hide the fact
Speaker 2: that they weren't best friends Johnny were and Tarle Penske.
Speaker 2: You google one, you're going to find another, be like
Speaker 2: you googling me or Danielle. We're going to pop up
Speaker 2: on your feed at some point, right, So it's they're
Speaker 2: going to know. So my guess is because if you
Speaker 2: remember at the very beginning, there's a couple of people
Speaker 2: that are like, oh my god, you're here. I can't
Speaker 2: believe you're here. And I'm hoping they don't know who
Speaker 2: else is on the show until they get into the cars.
Speaker 2: That must be the case, right, because you don't because
Speaker 2: you'd be able to do too much research.
Speaker 1: Well, so we actually jumped ahead because at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode, we still didn't know who.
Speaker 2: They murdered, right, that's right, So we don't know who
Speaker 2: tech erase that maybe Ian isn't dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So something I had I thought about watching this
Speaker 1: show that was like compared to other reality shows, I
Speaker 1: guess Survivor being the one that I watched. I was
Speaker 1: fascinated by the age of the contestants. Everyone's a little
Speaker 1: older than most reality shows. This is definitely like, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's you know Mara and uh what's his name? Or
Speaker 1: the Love Islands were like the they're like the the
Speaker 1: young crowd. Everyone else is like middle aged, And I
Speaker 1: think it's smart because you want people with complexity, you
Speaker 1: want layers. Do you want people who are like you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely not like the Love is Blind crowd
Speaker 1: where they're just like, let's make up, make up. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was super inch. It makes for a
Speaker 1: really cool dynamic because all these people have, you know,
Speaker 1: have very very interesting approaches. So far, I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan of canvas. I'm not either, be honest, but the
Speaker 1: Two Traders, I'm not super stoked on No, I'm not
Speaker 1: really like enjoying their villainy.
Speaker 2: Well, he's the guy Rob r.
Speaker 1: Yeah, has almost no personality. Yeah, that's but he's playing well,
Speaker 1: he's playing very well. But watching him, I know, it's
Speaker 1: like this guy there's almost like he doesn't even have
Speaker 1: any inflection when he speaks.
Speaker 2: Like this guy has no personality. It's weird.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, how are you? I guess because.
Speaker 2: On Love Island, take off your shirt, make out with
Speaker 2: a good looking girl.
Speaker 1: That's he makes a joke. At one point he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm confused by what we're doing here taking off my
Speaker 1: shirt and I haven't. Yeah, that was the funny thing
Speaker 1: said the whole time. No, he's growing on me by by,
Speaker 1: but this first episode, I was like, why pick him
Speaker 1: to be a trader? It's it's a really boring choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I I guess maybe the people that
Speaker 1: seem more uh sophisticated, like jam Jam Michael Rappaport would
Speaker 1: have been maybe too obvious, you know, the producers decided
Speaker 1: to Yeah, yeah, but yeah, this was uh, you know,
Speaker 1: this was a good episode. I'm definitely did it suck
Speaker 1: you in, brought you Oh yeah, oh yeah, totally. I'm
Speaker 1: you know, like we didn't get a roundtable, you know,
Speaker 1: which happens next episode, and so I really liked that.
Speaker 1: Seeing that brought the show fully together for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I had just seen this, I probably would have
Speaker 1: been like, well it's good. Yeah, yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, Canvas and Lisa are not like super No,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just like, but you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's room to grow, there's room
Speaker 1: to grow.
Speaker 2: They also would have had you at Scottish Castle at
Speaker 2: least for at least for two episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah all right. Well that's it
Speaker 1: for this episode of Pod Needs Twirled. Alliances were tested,
Speaker 1: trust misplaced, and once again we are left with a cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: Join us next time as we continue our journey through
Speaker 1: season four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare
Speaker 1: said in his Scottish play, fair is foul and foul is.
Speaker 2: Fair, did he say it with a stupid hat?
Speaker 1: Probably,