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Speaker 1: Welcome to pod Meats Twirl, the podcast from two guys

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Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the

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Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So

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Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,

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Speaker 1: but Will is convinced that he could win. We are

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Speaker 1: Wilfred Ell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, won a

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Speaker 1: TV expert, won a TV skeptic, Both dance scholars join

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Speaker 1: us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,

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Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is pod meets

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Speaker 1: Twirled Trading Places. Yes, Will, you are uh, you are

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Speaker 1: looking glorious.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm unaware of

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Speaker 2: what's happening.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get them. Oh oh wow, I did not

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Speaker 1: get the memo that we are doing costumes.

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Speaker 2: This is no I figured eventually, I'm always going to

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Speaker 2: be the Trader and you're going to be Alan Cumming.

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Speaker 2: So you're just going to be more fabulous every single show.

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Speaker 1: And like, I gotta die my hair. Apparently like he's

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Speaker 1: not doing just wardrobe, he's doing like makeup.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where by the end, he's literally just wearing

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Speaker 2: a yellow melted candle. It's the greatest thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it's the best. We've ended up watching

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Speaker 1: three episodes. We'll break them up in the three pod episodes.

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Speaker 1: But because they were all dropped right off the bat,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I was thrown into the deep end.

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Speaker 1: You are, I spent three hours watching Traders, But.

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Speaker 2: Tell me it wasn't a glorious three hours.

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Speaker 1: You know it. It's pretty glorious. It's pretty glorious.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: There's one thing that's undeniable about the show is that

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Speaker 1: it knows exactly what it is. Yep, and it's going

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Speaker 1: for it. Oh yeah, all right, So I want to

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Speaker 1: hear your background with the show, because we're in fourth season.

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Speaker 1: Have you watched all the three previously? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So I was told to start with season three, which

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Speaker 2: is the last season, which is then how I knew,

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Speaker 2: for instance, Dylan Ephron going into the Dance with the Stars.

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Speaker 2: So no, I this is the second season I've ever

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Speaker 2: watched I before. He was one of the winners. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: more than one person can win. It's not just one winner.

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Speaker 2: So he was a faithful or yes, well, I guess

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Speaker 2: we can tell people. Yes, so he was a faithful okay,

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Speaker 2: And it was one of those things where I forget

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Speaker 2: who told somebody at iHeart I forget might have been

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Speaker 2: produced guitar, might have been Amy, I can't remember who,

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Speaker 2: but somebody was like, you should watch this Traders, and

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Speaker 2: Sue and I were like, was it you?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Perfect? Thank you? And we didn't even have She gave

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Speaker 2: us her link for Peacock to start. I've since gotten

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Speaker 2: my own. But it was one of those things where

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Speaker 2: and then it was like, that's how they get you,

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Speaker 2: and it worked.

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Speaker 1: The hooked well.

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Speaker 2: It was one of those things where I said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll watch this, and by three episodes in,

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Speaker 2: Sue and I were not only hooked, but saying this

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Speaker 2: is no business being as good as it is, and

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Speaker 2: it's just so addictive and wonderful, and by I don't

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Speaker 2: know the end of the credits of the second episode,

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Speaker 2: I knew I could win the whole show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So I mean, I'm assuming I'm gonna assume

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Speaker 1: everybody listening has a general sense of what Traders are

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Speaker 1: but or what Traders is, but let's just go over

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Speaker 1: it as quickly as possible to sort of lay the ground.

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Speaker 1: It's essentially, from my point of view, the game Mafia,

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Speaker 1: which is like a party game that I've played before, right,

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Speaker 1: and then there's other variations on it, like where Wolf

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Speaker 1: either one of the masses who are innocent and helpful

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Speaker 1: in this case faithful or a villager, or you're a

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Speaker 1: or something evil, and you won't you don't know who's who,

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Speaker 1: so you sit around and you basically lie to each

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Speaker 1: them again because they're very in Hollywood, these are very

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Speaker 1: like we do running charades all the time. We host

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Speaker 1: huge running trades. It's been a huge part of our relationship.

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Speaker 1: Right when we started dating, we started going to running

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Speaker 1: tarrades game at our wedding. I know. Yeah, we've done

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Speaker 1: it for charity. We do it at Sundance every year.

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Speaker 1: It's become like a big part of our identity. But

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Speaker 1: of friends, we always get invited to Mafia and Wearwoth

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Speaker 1: I want to say, was like eight years ago. And

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Speaker 1: my wife is like, you very good at line, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very good at line when she wants to be, I

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Speaker 1: am the exact opposite. I I cannot lie. I am.

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Speaker 1: I get so tense, I get so emotional, and I

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Speaker 1: get there, like the cognitive dissonance of look sking at

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Speaker 1: last time we played, I just immediately caved. I was like, yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: They confronted me. They're like, but wait, you just said this,

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Speaker 1: and why did you say that. I was like, you're right,

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Speaker 1: I'm totally I'm totally a fascist. I'm sorry, I just

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. In that same game, my life

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Speaker 1: played it so well that when we finished, the game

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Speaker 1: you're actually a Nazi, You're actually a knot and like

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Speaker 1: got in her face. Oh god, and Alex was like,

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Speaker 1: we can't do this anymore, like this game, like these

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Speaker 1: games are too emotional, and I'm like, great, because I

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Speaker 1: hate these things. So so I would be horrible on traders.

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Speaker 1: I couldnot take. I mean like i'd be a good

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Speaker 1: faithful because again, what you're doing, what you're doing is

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Speaker 2: It's essentially you're a detective. You're trying to and that's

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Speaker 2: the other thing. It's like a memory game too, because

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Speaker 2: what did you say three days ago? Because that doesn't

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Speaker 1: And bah. So that I thank you. Be very good.

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Speaker 1: But I would be terrified to be sitting there. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like everybody on this show is so excited

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Speaker 1: I'm not that.

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Speaker 2: I think i'd want to be a faithful as much

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Speaker 1: Hell out of a cloak.

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Speaker 2: I think I think i'd want to be a faithful

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Speaker 2: because I want to be able. Is that you're a

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Speaker 2: be great as being a trader, because I would. I

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Speaker 2: had the same thing I told Sue when we first

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Speaker 2: got together. And obviously this is not a conversation you

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Speaker 2: should ever have to have with your partner. But because

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Speaker 2: I'm an actor, because of the way I am, because

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Speaker 2: I am incredibly good at lying, I said to her,

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm never ever going to lie to you

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Speaker 2: because I'm really good at it, You'll never know. And

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Speaker 2: it's like, and I don't ever want to do that,

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Speaker 2: So I'm never ever going to lie, and I haven't.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's one of those things where because I am,

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Speaker 2: I can just I mean again, I smoked for for

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Speaker 2: how many years without my parents ever knowing, and started

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Speaker 1: See, I never really knew this part of you, having

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Speaker 1: were sixteen. I always thought of you as just a

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Speaker 1: great storyteller, you know, a funny performer, obviously a good

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Speaker 1: the Podmets World, and we were in town to do

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Speaker 1: why you decided to do this. We somehow said that,

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Speaker 1: but you were like, Oh, we're in town because of

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Speaker 1: a podcast that we've created, and rather than telling the truth,

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Speaker 1: you decided to do it a podcast all about crabs

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Speaker 1: and crab fishing. And we were like what. Danielle and

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Speaker 1: I were in the back seaquing where's this going? And

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Speaker 2: Maybe I honestly don't remember where we were. I think

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Speaker 2: he's playing yes, But.

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Speaker 1: For a twenty thirty minute ride, she kept asking questions

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Speaker 1: and you kept be answering them, and I kept waiting

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Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm just kidding, because I was getting increasingly

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Speaker 1: were making up a different podcast that we were in

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Speaker 1: town to promote. Do you remember what you started throwing

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Speaker 1: from the backman? I wanted to make you cave, I

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Speaker 2: I called it in the Pot was the name of

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Speaker 2: Was like, We'll give you what we are, We'll give

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Speaker 2: because we were in the pot and I was like

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Speaker 2: like to point out out as a fan of Deadly

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Speaker 2: as Catch. I'd like to say that not a single

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Speaker 2: fact that I told her was incorrect. Everything I told

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Speaker 1: The only thing I lied about was everything else. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I've i've as a reality show watcher. I've really only

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Speaker 1: watched Survivor of shows in this vein, and mostly I

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Speaker 1: I'm as far as I understand that the contestants are

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Speaker 1: their coverage. It's mostly people coming in and strategizing how

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Speaker 1: to manipulate one another form. But even that one has

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Speaker 1: much more of a physical component to you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a physical challenge thing. The puzzles that they do, uh

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Speaker 1: Traders is very interesting because it's most just social manipulation presentation,

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Speaker 1: and the challenges are somewhat physical so far that I've noticed,

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Speaker 1: they're not quite the point. The point is about who

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Speaker 1: like they're running around getting money, but it's not a

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Speaker 2: wasn't just and Laguna Beach, that's but One.

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00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: Tree Hill was like late nineties, early aunts, right I think?

433
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: So? Yeah, Hill was a regular show, right, yeah, like

434
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: it's a show show.

435
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't a reality show. It was a show. No,

436
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: it's it's the show that Leon Norris was on.

437
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:40,959
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

438
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 1: Orris was a part of that. He played mouth. I've

439
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 1: never seen it. I mean multiple people who worked on

440
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: it or were on it. But so he's kind of

441
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: like a contemporary of Bars. Okay, cool, yeah, all right.

442
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: Tara Lipinsky another Olympic figure skater. You know who she is?

443
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: I do not.

444
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: She was and she's Johnny Weir's partner. Now she's terrible.

445
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 2: Pinske I think was the gold medal. She was a

446
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 2: gold medalist, like she won the whole thing.

447
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: Cool. Tiffany Mitchell from Big Brother, No Clue. And then

448
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: Jam Jam from Survivor, who I did actually know I

449
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: season he won apparently, which this was news to me,

450
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: but I definitely watched the beginning of his season. I

451
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: think it might have been the last might have been

452
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: the last season. Anyway, I had watched the beginning of it,

453
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: but my family finished it without me, so I knew

454
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: who he was, all right, going in based on what

455
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: you knew, any predictions, any people you were behind saying

456
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: this is this is my person, I'm rooting for them now.

457
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: I was rooting for Kristen Kish and for Mark Ballast

458
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: because I know them. But no, I have no idea

459
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 2: whatsoever who I was going to like or who I

460
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: wasn't or none.

461
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: How about you, because you had survivor of people. Yeah,

462
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: I came in. I was like, Natalie's Natalie's got a

463
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: good shot and I'm still I was like, I think

464
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: because she has a way of being very forceful and

465
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: very strong, but not obnoxious like she doesn't she does

466
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: and bug people, and I was like, that's a good

467
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: position to be in, you know, which I think has

468
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: played out a little bit not she hasn't spoken up

469
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: that much. And then I was rooting for Mark Ballast

470
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: just because I liked him with the stars, and I

471
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this will be cool. But I kind

472
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: of also thought jam Jam had a has a good shot,

473
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: has had a good shot, I feel less so after

474
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: watching the first three, well he's really he's like really likable,

475
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: and if he ends up being a trader, I was like, Oh,

476
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to get away with it.

477
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: I also thought Donna Donna Kelsey really had a shot

478
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: only because and they mentioned it on the first episode.

479
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: No one would want to vote against her because of

480
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: the Swifties, right, they're an army. It's like if you

481
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: sneeze in her direction, they want to kill you. So no,

482
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: everyone even alluded to the fact where they're like I

483
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: don't want to vote against her because so she had

484
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: a legitimate shot. I thought of taking the whole thing.

485
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, you were wrong. I know, I'll say, I

486
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: guess everybody. I couldn't believe the way that all that

487
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: went down. All right, let's get into this. Yeah. Episode one,

488
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: they introduce all the players outside of the castle. We

489
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: got flames, then we got this new thing, which I mean,

490
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: all of this was new to me, but this notion

491
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 1: of a secret trader. Oh, brilliant idea, really great idea.

492
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: Now that I've watched three episodes with the Secret Trader,

493
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how this show works without the Secret

494
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: Trader because part of the phone was not knowing who

495
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: the trader was, like exactly, yes, man, I was. I was.

496
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: I was sitting there guessing constantly based on people's behavior.

497
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a really cool wrinkle that

498
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to keep up because it was it

499
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: was pretty fun great anyway, So all the all the

500
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: contestants went up one by one. Alan Cummings showed off

501
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: a card box that he opens up and one of

502
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: them see is that they're a trader. We find out

503
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: who that is in episode three, but once the trader

504
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: was chosen. They all go into the castle. They get

505
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: to mingle. No windows in this castle, by the way,

506
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you got everything out of bock,

507
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: everything out.

508
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: They also allude several times to how hot it is

509
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: in there. You heard them say, like, it's so hot

510
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: in here, so they're probably blocking off everything.

511
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: It's stifling. There's lights everywhere.

512
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: They're all caked in makeup, with all that fabulous outfit.

513
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: They're all probably sweating profusely in there as they're doing

514
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: their show.

515
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then getting drunk.

516
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like there's probably some some alcoholics.

517
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: Good food. Yeah, all right. Yeah. So then they sit

518
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: around a table and they put on their blind folds,

519
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: and the traders are chosen. So this is the way

520
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: traders are usually chosen, right, correct? Okay, so yeah, this

521
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: is all the same. They get a little tap on

522
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: the shoulder, which is very tense, very tense. This would

523
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: be my nightmare. This is why I would be sweating bullets,

524
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: and which is so you would not want the tap.

525
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, no, please don't tap me.

526
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: Please don't let me be honest and upfront and building

527
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: alliances based on you know, but even that's stressful because

528
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: as the show goes on, I'm like, I, no one

529
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: knows shit, man, Now do you know if someone's lying?

530
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 2: You don't.

531
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: And I'm so trusting. If someone looked me in the

532
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: eyes and was like, rider, I am a faithful, I don't.

533
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: I just I would just be like, Okay, okay, I

534
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: shall believe you. Yeah, I believe you.

535
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: But you can also tell Alan. You know, he has

536
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: those preliminary interviews with everybody before the roundtable, and I

537
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 2: saw especially more last year than this year. Last year

538
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of people like, I want to be

539
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: a faithful I really want to be a faithful I

540
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: want to root out traders, whereas this year you got

541
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: more people going like I'd be the best trader in

542
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: the world. I don't know what I'd tell him other

543
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: than you're fabulous and don't wear stupid hats like everybody

544
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: else is wearing.

545
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: Well. I wonder how they make this decision, because this

546
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: is the central decision of Oh and then I have

547
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: another question, are there more traders as that as the

548
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: season goes on, there can be if if traders would

549
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: betting picked off one at a time, they can also

550
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: have the ability to go instead of murdering somebody, saying

551
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: you either die tonight or you become one of us.

552
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: So it's like they there's times where they can go

553
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: to murder somebody and instead turn them, So.

554
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: The traders get to decide if they want to not

555
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: murder somebody.

556
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: And no, it's not the traders like they'll come back

557
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: Like last year, Alan would come into the tower and

558
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: be like everyone, what happen And he'll say, like, you

559
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: can either kill this person tonight or you can turn

560
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: them to the traders. And then they've got to you know,

561
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: the fun part, and I'm sure it'll happen at some point,

562
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: is when the traders start turning on each other. I

563
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: mean that's when they're they're throwing each other under the

564
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: bus dating.

565
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: Could they technically murder each other?

566
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: No, but they can get themselves. They can have one

567
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: of the other people eliminated.

568
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: Wait, Tars saying yes at the roundtable.

569
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the round table. They can they can banish somebody.

570
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can sell the trades, right, so they

571
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: could banish somebody.

572
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they can't murder somebody, but they can banish somebody.

573
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: But now do the traders always have to agree on

574
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: who they're murdering or is it just I think so

575
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: because there's been Yeah, yeah you do, but like a

576
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: lot of them don't.

577
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: It's usually like two out of three vote and ones

578
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: upset with the decision, like that's happened many times. Yeah,

579
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: I'm also wondering. So Sue and I were talking about it,

580
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: like a lot of the logistics where it's how do

581
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: they how do they guarantee nobody sees the traders leaving

582
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: the building to go to the tower.

583
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: Well, obviously they have cameras everywhere. Well, but that's that's

584
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: my other question.

585
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: Is is it like do you hear, you know, an

586
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: announcement like all right, everybody's stay in your room. Nobody's

587
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: allowed to leave your room for them.

588
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: You heard there's a dong At one point there was

589
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: like a thing telling them to go to bed.

590
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I'm wondering if that's what it is.

591
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: It's like you're not allowed to leave, you're not allowed

592
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: to do anything. Because we're just wondering the legit and

593
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: exactly what you were saying, do does Alan coming get

594
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 2: to pick who they are? Are all the producers deciding

595
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: who who's going to be the Trader. I mean, my

596
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: guess is the producers sit around and they figure out

597
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: who they.

598
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: Want to pick. They don't stay in the castle. What, Yeah,

599
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: they're not actually like jumping there. They go to a hotel. Yes,

600
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: every night. That's so sad.

601
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when they walk upstairs to bed, they're not

602
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: really walking upstairs to bed.

603
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: No. And those those glamorous shots of them in like

604
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: their room or the bathtub like we saw Dylan like

605
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: shirtless and every scene last week.

606
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: All did last season was work out with weights at

607
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: twelve o'clock at night, and it's like, why are you

608
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: doing sit ups?

609
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: So they were faking that. It's definitely like, it's definitely yeah,

610
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: they're okay. I was curious because whenever they like walked

611
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: out to get murdered, I was like, where are they?

612
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: Where are they walking into a room with a chair,

613
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, like the geography never quite made sense to me. So,

614
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: all right, so they don't stay at the castle. You're

615
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: upset about this. I am a little upset.

616
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm no, I want to go. I still want to

617
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: go on the show, but not as much.

618
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can stay to Radison here, probably a nicer

619
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: spot than the ratis. Yeah, probably okay, So it's raison,

620
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: all right, Candice, Lisa and Rob R. Robert. I had

621
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: no feelings about any of this because who any of

622
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: them were. I didn't either, but they were all stoked. Yeah, them,

623
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: we're stoked.

624
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: And is there a reason why? Candice through most of

625
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: the first episode was dressed like a flight attendant from

626
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy. It was like she was dressed like a

627
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: PanAm flight attendant from the seven was like, what.

628
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: Are you wearing? That's kind of a vibe throughout all

629
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: of them because I'm trying to in the last.

630
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Time they picked their own outfits. Of course they do.

631
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: Nobody's picking that but her.

632
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

633
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: And then there was the one woman they Stansberry, who

634
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: was had borrowed the jacket from the lead singer of

635
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: Talking Heads, the huge jacket she was wearing, and then

636
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: everyone went to dumb hat store. It was it was

637
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: an interesting, interesting first episode.

638
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I dig the amount of money just on

639
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: their clothing, Like these are like thousands of dollars in

640
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: outfits that these but they must bring their own is

641
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: what she is? What? Yeah? They so? I mean they

642
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: they're showing up with a It's a lot. I'd be

643
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: sponsored by Target. It's all my clothes would be from Target. Yeah,

644
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: all right. We we met up in the turret where

645
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: the traders took.

646
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Their Wait, I have a question for you.

647
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

648
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: For so they're picked around table and they're in the blindfold.

649
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: The second they say take your blindfold off, would you

650
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: rip your blindfold off to then stare at everybody to

651
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: see if anybody had a weird reaction? Or do you

652
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: think that would draw too much attention to yourself for

653
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 2: then people thinking, oh, he's overdoing it, he's obviously a trader.

654
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: No, I would, well, I don't know. I would definitely.

655
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: I can't see. This is why I'd be so bad.

656
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: I would just do it. I would just look at everybody,

657
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: but I don't think I would get any answers, right Like.

658
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: My takeaway so far from the show is that there's

659
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: just no way to read people right like, and maybe

660
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm just horrible at it, but I have been consistently

661
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: wrong in my predictions. Right, absolutely, everybody right, because because

662
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: we don't know who the secret trader is, so I

663
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: haven't seen there going like.

664
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, I called that from I called that from

665
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: step one. But I also, oh god, of course of

666
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: course because it's party.

667
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: It was perfect. It was perfect. But you're just thinking

668
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: like a producer then, or were you reading the situation. No, no, no,

669
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: totally just thinking like a producer. No, had nothing to

670
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: do with how they were all thinking, apparently because they

671
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: were right, and I was sitting there going, poor Donna,

672
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: there's no way. Oh see, that's I'd be so bad

673
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: this game.

674
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, that was so that's what I was thinking,

675
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: was because as I said that, I was sitting here

676
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: watching Sue and I was like, oh, first thing I

677
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: would do, rip off my blindfold and stare around the table,

678
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: see if I can catch somebody smiling or something. And

679
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: she's like, no, the second you do that, they're gonna

680
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: think you're over doing it. And then now you've drawn

681
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: attention to yourself because you can also just get banished.

682
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: So if everyone's like I saw you at the table

683
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: and I felt like you were so that's all other things.

684
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: You also just don't want to be annoying, like you

685
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: just realized that like a lot of times, they're just

686
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: voting out people like like Michael Rappaport is not long

687
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: for this castle, and it's because he's just bugging the

688
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: crap out of everybody. It's like, you know, even knowing

689
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: he's not a I was kind of thinking he was

690
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: the secret Trader.

691
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 2: Because I thought so maybe for a brief second there,

692
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: and then I was like, he can't be. He's just

693
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: doth protest too much.

694
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: He's just like, dude, it's not about you, calm down.

695
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: But he's just manages to like make everything about him

696
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: and just like I'm a true I'm a hunter, I'm

697
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: a trader, hunt, I'm.

698
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: Like, suck, I'm a trader and you know it, clap

699
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: your hands. I was like, I hope they vote him

700
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: off even if they don't think he's a trader. At

701
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: this point, they go to the turret, so they're picked

702
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: those three or picked.

703
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: Right, they're happy about it. I guess they picked the

704
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: right people.

705
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there would have been anybody there

706
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: that would have been unhappy to if you picked to

707
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 2: be a trader. I don't think you go on that

708
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: show if you only want to be a.

709
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: Faithful right, So, which is why I should not go

710
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: on the show. You'll be fine when we're there.

711
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: I'll take care of you or i'll take carry you

712
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: all right.

713
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: The next day the first mission coffins floating in a

714
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: lock and lock they got to throw out in groups,

715
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: pick up coffins, bring them back and throw the I

716
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: mean this amazing.

717
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: There's what a hundred coffins in the lock and some

718
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: of them are dollar signs, in some of them an ex's.

719
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: So if you find a dollar sign, you have to

720
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: hook it up to your boat and bring it all

721
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: the way back to the shore. And you thought that's

722
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: all you had to do and then throw it in,

723
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: but no, then of course there's the other twist, which

724
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: is you have to put it in the coffin.

725
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: You have to put it in the ground, in the

726
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: grave of one of your fellow people, get a pool

727
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: from which they can be murdered. They can be murdered.

728
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: So it's even that right, So that's where, Yeah, it's

729
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: the psychological factor that you know, because the physical challenges

730
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: don't seem that hard. It's not like on Survivor. It's

731
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: like real you know, they're like climbing, they have to

732
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: work in teams and do crazy physically exhausting things. This

733
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: is like not that hard, But there's always a psychological element, right,

734
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: like how are you going to you know, choose your

735
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: group turn on people you know from the other team

736
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: or from the other boats. Yeah, a lot of chaos.

737
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't really keep up with, like who was with

738
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: who at this point it felt a little muddy muddy

739
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: for me, like I just I just couldn't tell you, like.

740
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: I don't think there was any who's doing. I don't

741
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: think there was because there was no There was no

742
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: real rhyme or reason to it.

743
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: You know.

744
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like you grab the thing, you

745
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: go and then you throw it into the ground.

746
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: So they weren't working in teams even though they were.

747
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was confused. But wasn't there drama atwards? Yes,

748
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: because they're this like question whether Michael Rappaport had said

749
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: put it in one of the housewives, which.

750
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: I thought he did, was I thought you did.

751
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I was going crazy because they keep acting as if

752
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: he didn't say it.

753
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: And I thought he did, yeah, and Susan said he didn't,

754
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, he did.

755
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: He said put it in one of the housewives.

756
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: And then somebody said no, we don't. We're not just

757
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: going to target the housewives like I could have sworn

758
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: he said that.

759
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: I am so with you dude. Okay, so confused by

760
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: this good because I was like, wait, like when when

761
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: Candice like backed down from that, I was like, but

762
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: but he did. He did say thanks. I thought the

763
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: same thing. So were we both having like a Mandela

764
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: effect here?

765
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: Maybe she I don't know. I'll have to go back

766
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 2: and watch it again. I could have sworn he said

767
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: something about putting it in the ground in one of

768
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: the Housewives.

769
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Man, I was so yeah, I just like totally like

770
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: got gas lip by the conversation me to the next

771
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: two episodes that I was like, oh, I guess he

772
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: didn't say it, and she really was just being you know,

773
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: manipulative by bringing it up in the car. No, but okay,

774
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: sort of God, he said it. I thought he said it. Yeah.

775
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Otherwise it felt pretty random. Who ended up with a grave?

776
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: You know? And yeah, you know they they were just

777
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: marked for death apparently.

778
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: But there's a couple of people remember where it was, like,

779
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: was it Mark? It might have been Mark Ballas who

780
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: they had to go out of their way to make.

781
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: He even said, He's like, well that wasn't convenient, Like

782
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: you had to walk like three back to put it

783
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: in in his thing.

784
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: So it's like, why are you picking?

785
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: And by that point I don't think he'd spoken a

786
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: word since the beginning of the show.

787
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Yes, very subdued. I actually am concerned. I was like,

788
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: he's not speaking up enough. But also maybe that's the

789
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: way to go play under the redit car.

790
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: Yes, let them get to separate the wheat from the chaff,

791
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of get to where you got it, because the.

792
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Strong personalities are already getting on my nerves exactly, and.

793
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: They're going to be voted on. Yeah, just yes, this dude.

794
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: The second thing I have soron is on you. It's like,

795
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: you know, oh, so you got to make sure there's

796
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: this hands over here, so then you're just over here,

797
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: just nice quiet, yeah.

798
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: Right, all right. So in the car on the way

799
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: back from the challenge is where this drama with Candace

800
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: and Portia and man Candace is a lot.

801
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: I also don't think she's particularly good. She's not No,

802
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: I don't think she's particularly good. She doesn't remember what

803
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: she said yep. And yeah, Porscha is also truly horrible

804
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: at this game. Awful.

805
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: There's a couple of people that are not good, Like,

806
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean, she got voted out and I was like

807
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I would have voted for you, and I knew she wasn't.

808
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: Well I guess she could have been a secret trader,

809
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, yeah, vote for her because

810
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: she's slipped slipped of the tongue saying we killed what

811
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: you're saying twice and you have every opportunity to defend

812
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: yourself and you don't really have a good defense. So anyway,

813
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: but Candace and Candace decided to like tell this maybe

814
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: a lie, but you and I.

815
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: The truth.

816
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, anyway.

817
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: Then Maura is another one because when they said said, hey, well, Maura,

818
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: you were in the car.

819
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: What did she say?

820
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't remember.

821
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: No, I don't even remember being on the show, Like wait, what,

822
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm not here. It was weird. They were all sort

823
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: of like backing down. Yeah, interesting, but I mean that's

824
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: where like Rappaport was so confrontations, like what she said,

825
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna go talk right now?

826
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: Yes, And so either he's the hell out.

827
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: I love that one.

828
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: I forget who it was who said it at the end.

829
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: It might have been Rob c but one of them

830
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: at the end was like, either you're the worst trader

831
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: in the history of the world or you're a bad

832
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: faithful like kind of either way you should go because

833
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: you're it's it's one of the two and neither one

834
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: of those are conducive to the game essentially, right, So

835
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: it was, yeah, he's very grading.

836
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: All right. They get back and have that little confrontation,

837
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: and then the players go to bed. Traders get together,

838
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: and now this whole aspect with a secret trader got

839
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: to send them the list from which they chose super

840
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: interesting because otherwise normally they would just be wide open, right,

841
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: they could just pick whoever they wanted.

842
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: From that from the list of whoever lost the game

843
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: from the graveyard. Yes, so if they didn't get a

844
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: shield in one of these things or something like that,

845
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: then it's like, that's your pool to pick from. But

846
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: normally in the ones I've seen the traders get together

847
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: and here the five we can pick from. Who are

848
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: we gonna pick?

849
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: Right?

850
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: And this that's not this time now it's and it

851
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: makes sense too that the list they send has four

852
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: because the secret trader also doesn't know who the regular

853
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: traders are. So if they just picked the three traders,

854
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: it's like, well, we can't murder anybody on that list, right,

855
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: So that's why there's four people, because one of them

856
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: has to at least be eligible to kill.

857
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: Well, so here's a question, because this came up. One

858
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: of the things that Porsche slipped up about was saying

859
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: four traders, and is it always four? Is there a

860
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: number of traders? Is it? I thought it was three.

861
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: I thought it was three.

862
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: But again they change because there's a secret trader, or

863
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: they bring somebody in later, or maybe there's now there's

864
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: just two after they kick somebody out. So I think

865
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: the most there's gonna be as four, but I've seen

866
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: as little as two and as many as four. I

867
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: think normally it was three.

868
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the four people on the secret Traders list

869
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: were rob are, Ian, Mark, and Eric. Rob Ar is

870
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: one of the traders. Yeah, so he wasn't gonna I

871
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: thought the trader's reaction to this was they didn't investigate

872
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: them enough, because like, these were really interesting choices. They

873
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: were kind of like bland and a little generic, yeah,

874
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: like and it didn't seem based on anything strategy and anything.

875
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: And I'm the traders were just kind of like, oh, well,

876
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: I don't get it, and then they just picked one.

877
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: But I would have taken more time to try and

878
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: figure out who the secret trader was based on this list.

879
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would have been able to

880
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: do that, But after the fact, I was like, why

881
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: didn't they analyze that more? Like why didn't they say, like,

882
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: who's picking just kind of these four dudes who haven't

883
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: really stood out, like not anybody who's been annoying, not

884
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: anybody you know. In retrospect, I don't know if there

885
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: was much strategy. I think it was just kind of

886
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: picking names out of a hat.

887
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking about.

888
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous.

889
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: But you're obviously in this castle, you're killing time, you

890
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: don't know what to do.

891
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: People are playing chess.

892
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: I would have gotten together a good old fashioned Hangman

893
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: game and I would have played with everybody because then

894
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: I get to see your handwriting and I would have

895
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: been able to match it to whatever is on the list,

896
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: and I would have instantly been like, Oh, that's that's

897
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: a secret trader.

898
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: Bam, right there, you're you're evil, my friend. I love it.

899
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Where's my cloak? No,

900
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: we're good, all right. They decided to uh to murder

901
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: ian Ian who's a gamer, which I guess makes sense.

902
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get rid of Eric, who I don't

903
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: know who that is. I'm sure they don't either. I

904
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: guess he's a singer songwriter.

905
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, it seemed pretty generically he has not made

906
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: any ways. It's not like formed big alliances. That's obvious. No,

907
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean the housewives were the only people that really

908
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: seemed banded together, right. I mean, I guess the two

909
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: figure skaters, but they are intentionally avoiding each other. Remember

910
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: he said, they're like, we're not gonna let every which

911
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: is super smart. But the housewives keep actually voicing their

912
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: alliance and their you know, allegiance to one another, which

913
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: I think is a big mistake. Although I guess in

914
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: the same and in the fact that two of them

915
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: are writers, it's going to work in their favor.

916
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: But I would like to know how far in advance,

917
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: if at all, you know who else you're going to

918
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: be on the show with, right, because my guess, because

919
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: again I would think hopefully they don't let them know

920
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: at all, because all you would do is if you

921
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: google Tarle Penske, you would see that the skaters are

922
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: together in all types of weather.

923
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: They're best friends.

924
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: So they would never be able to hide the fact

925
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: that they weren't best friends Johnny were and Tarle Penske.

926
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: You google one, you're going to find another, be like

927
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: you googling me or Danielle. We're going to pop up

928
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: on your feed at some point, right, So it's they're

929
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: going to know. So my guess is because if you

930
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 2: remember at the very beginning, there's a couple of people

931
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: that are like, oh my god, you're here. I can't

932
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: believe you're here. And I'm hoping they don't know who

933
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: else is on the show until they get into the cars.

934
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: That must be the case, right, because you don't because

935
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: you'd be able to do too much research.

936
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: Well, so we actually jumped ahead because at the end

937
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 1: of this episode, we still didn't know who.

938
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: They murdered, right, that's right, So we don't know who

939
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: tech erase that maybe Ian isn't dead.

940
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So something I had I thought about watching this

941
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: show that was like compared to other reality shows, I

942
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: guess Survivor being the one that I watched. I was

943
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: fascinated by the age of the contestants. Everyone's a little

944
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: older than most reality shows. This is definitely like, I mean,

945
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: there's you know Mara and uh what's his name? Or

946
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: the Love Islands were like the they're like the the

947
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: young crowd. Everyone else is like middle aged, And I

948
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: think it's smart because you want people with complexity, you

949
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: want layers. Do you want people who are like you know,

950
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely not like the Love is Blind crowd

951
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: where they're just like, let's make up, make up. So

952
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: I thought that was super inch. It makes for a

953
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: really cool dynamic because all these people have, you know,

954
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: have very very interesting approaches. So far, I'm not a

955
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: fan of canvas. I'm not either, be honest, but the

956
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: Two Traders, I'm not super stoked on No, I'm not

957
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: really like enjoying their villainy.

958
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: Well, he's the guy Rob r.

959
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, has almost no personality. Yeah, that's but he's playing well,

960
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: he's playing very well. But watching him, I know, it's

961
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: like this guy there's almost like he doesn't even have

962
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: any inflection when he speaks.

963
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Like this guy has no personality. It's weird.

964
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, how are you? I guess because.

965
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: On Love Island, take off your shirt, make out with

966
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: a good looking girl.

967
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: That's he makes a joke. At one point he's like,

968
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm confused by what we're doing here taking off my

969
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: shirt and I haven't. Yeah, that was the funny thing

970
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: said the whole time. No, he's growing on me by by,

971
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: but this first episode, I was like, why pick him

972
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: to be a trader? It's it's a really boring choice. Yeah,

973
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: and I and I I guess maybe the people that

974
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: seem more uh sophisticated, like jam Jam Michael Rappaport would

975
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: have been maybe too obvious, you know, the producers decided

976
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: to Yeah, yeah, but yeah, this was uh, you know,

977
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: this was a good episode. I'm definitely did it suck

978
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: you in, brought you Oh yeah, oh yeah, totally. I'm

979
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, like we didn't get a roundtable, you know,

980
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: which happens next episode, and so I really liked that.

981
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: Seeing that brought the show fully together for me. Yeah,

982
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: if I had just seen this, I probably would have

983
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: been like, well it's good. Yeah, yeah, because you know,

984
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: like I said, Canvas and Lisa are not like super No,

985
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just like, but you know, there's

986
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's room to grow, there's room

987
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: to grow.

988
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: They also would have had you at Scottish Castle at

989
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: least for at least for two episodes.

990
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah all right. Well that's it

991
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: for this episode of Pod Needs Twirled. Alliances were tested,

992
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: trust misplaced, and once again we are left with a cliffhanger.

993
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: Join us next time as we continue our journey through

994
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: season four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare

995
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: said in his Scottish play, fair is foul and foul is.

996
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: Fair, did he say it with a stupid hat?

997
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: Probably,