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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello friends,

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Speaker 1: we have a guest you have all been waiting for,

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Speaker 1: asking for, excited for. Today, we're joined by the iconic

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Speaker 1: Melanie Lynsky on the podcast Melanie has become an industry staple.

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Speaker 1: She has amassed a plethora of gorgeous, thought provoking roles

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Speaker 1: across film and television over the course of thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and we are all obsessed with her latest role starring

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Speaker 1: opposite Christina Ritchie in the ten time Emmy nominated Showtime

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Speaker 1: series Yellowjackets. Soon, Melanie is leading a film called Pike

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Speaker 1: River opposite Robin Malcolm, directed by Robert Sarkis, which touches

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Speaker 1: on the profound impact of a disaster in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: We recently got to fangirl her on HBO's critically acclaimed

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Speaker 1: The Last of Us, and today we're going to dig

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Speaker 1: into what inspires her and motivates her as an artist,

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Speaker 1: a parent, a spouse, and the coolest girl any of

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Speaker 1: us knows. Let's dig in with Melanie Lynskey.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hi, Hi, I'm so glad you're here, so thank

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Speaker 2: you for having me. Thanks so much to me, so

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Speaker 2: much to me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like life is so crazy and since the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: no one hangs out, which is okay because everyone it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, sometimes I just have to figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to bamboozle people to come sit here, just.

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Speaker 2: So I can squeeze you. Yeah, until I know. I know,

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Speaker 2: I feel the same Easton.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously a side note, but like this, I've

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Speaker 1: known for so long. You're one of those people I

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Speaker 1: have that deep feeling with where I'm like, we never

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Speaker 1: are in the same place, so we don't really hang out.

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Speaker 2: But I am convinced.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean this in the way that fans

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Speaker 1: say it to me, and I'm sure they say it

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Speaker 1: to you. I mean it in a real way where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, she's kind of my best friend, only I

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Speaker 1: don't know it, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if we hung out all the time,

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Speaker 1: you would know my you would just be one of

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Speaker 1: the first people i'd call. I don't see you a lot,

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Speaker 1: but you make me feel safe that way, like the

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Speaker 1: way my closest friends make me feel.

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Speaker 2: That's the loveliest thing you could possibly say, And I

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Speaker 2: feel so the same. And it's funny and I felt

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Speaker 2: it from the moment I meet you. Yeah. I was

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Speaker 2: just like, oh yeah, I was like, oh hi, yeah,

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Speaker 2: yeah we where were we?

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Speaker 1: You had that cute little house in like Eagle Rock

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Speaker 1: or an Achoo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we meet when you worked with Jimmy with

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Speaker 2: my ex husband. Yes. Yeah, you say that so gently

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Speaker 2: and kindly. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the same feeling about mine. So well

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Speaker 1: done you.

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Speaker 2: No, it's good. I'm glad my daughter's like fascinated with him.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah. I accidentally said 's husband in front of

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Speaker 2: her one day and she was like, oh mommy, and

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Speaker 2: she was like, did you kiss him? Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: I said yeah, I sure did a bunch of times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I know. I was like, and I kissed other

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Speaker 2: people too. It's good for her to know. I don't

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Speaker 2: want her to have the like well sure princes singular

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Speaker 2: princes fantasy, you know, like where she's like there's one

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Speaker 2: true love, like I can't stand it. Yeah. Oh how

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Speaker 2: old is she? No? Six? Wow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're really in it. Yeah, it's it's really funny.

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Speaker 1: My partner has kids. Oh yeah, therefore and about to

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Speaker 1: and so everyone's you know, yeah, there's all these different families, and.

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Speaker 2: To kids, it's so obvious.

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Speaker 1: But someone said something in front of her about Oh

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Speaker 1: it was us. We were going to a wedding, and

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Speaker 2: And we were like, oh.

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you explain to a four

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Speaker 1: And sometimes the mommy and daddy or the mommies or

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, how do you say it's a ceremony

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't know how to explain any of this

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Speaker 1: From weddings and When we got home, we showed her

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Speaker 1: pictures of our friends who got married and they're like,

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Speaker 1: very cool elder lesbians in their sixties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this very cute wedding.

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Speaker 1: And the immediate feedback was, wow, Auntie Cindy looks so pretty,

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Speaker 2: Wow, look at those look at the big trees.

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Speaker 1: Because we were in Palm Springs. She's very into the

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Speaker 1: and we said, yeah, weddings are fun, and she goes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna marry Ruby, who's her best friend at school.

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Speaker 1: We were like, so cute, Yes, sure.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, whatever you want. Oh my god, I overhood my daughter.

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Speaker 2: The other day, a babysitter who hasn't been with us

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Speaker 2: for a while was there and Kahi, my daughter, was like,

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Speaker 2: I have a crush on Levi and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: marry Levi. And her babysitter was like, oh, I thought

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Speaker 2: you had a crush on Ione, who was her best friend,

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Speaker 2: and she goes, well, she's my ex girlfriend, but we're

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Speaker 2: still friends. So I heard Sophie just that laughing so much. Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's so fun. The stuff they say, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: she's my ex girlfriend. It's wild. You're like, where did

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe now she has context for yeah face two, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I love it. That's cute. But yeah to the kids,

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Speaker 2: kids are not like, wait, why are two women marrying

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Speaker 2: these people are in love. Those people are in well

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Speaker 1: Really we're jumping into kids and real present. But interestingly enough,

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Speaker 1: the place I love to start with people is connected

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Speaker 1: because so many people know you, especially you from the

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Speaker 1: iconic nature of your filmography, all the movies you've given

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Speaker 1: given us as viewers. And I always think this question

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Speaker 1: Like would you as an adult go oh there I

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I do. I mean, I see

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Speaker 2: she's feeling is so great, and she can't sit around

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Speaker 2: Like I'm the oldest of five, my household was very

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Speaker 2: It was just my husband and I were both with

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Speaker 2: the way she feels totally fine to talk about her

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Speaker 2: did understand the aspect of taking something from your own

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, maybe if you hadn't been in that eldest

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Speaker 1: that's so interesting that you know, from not having had it,

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Speaker 2: You know, hope she wants to talk to me about them,

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Speaker 1: But it's like what I think about, especially when they're little,

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Speaker 1: them refine. Yeah, those feelings, and they're I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're the generation we're all our therapists talk to us

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Speaker 1: about having a toolkit because clearly our parents didn't have any.

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Speaker 1: And it's like she will be more adept at using

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Speaker 2: I hope. So yeah, Like I remember she was like

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Speaker 1: having their moments. Melanie Lensky's getting her due, Kate Winslet

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00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: has a show that finally deserves her, Like, yeah, you

435
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: guys have You've sprinkled magic dust on all of us.

436
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: And it's not lost on me that you did that

437
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: project together when you were in the midst of trying

438
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: to figure this all out for yourself, that both of

439
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: us you know, I don't know her personally, but she

440
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: shared many of these things.

441
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it even.

442
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: Feels like, oh, these incredible women are helming the most

443
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: successful projects and entertainment and really taking up their space.

444
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: And then you know, the sort of backlash to our

445
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 1: auton and liking ourselves seems to be so strong, and

446
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, yeah, this is my side of

447
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: the sesar.

448
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. It's crazy to me. I'm just like,

449
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: oh no, we can't let go of it. We just can't. No,

450
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: I do have to say, Like when I worked with

451
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: Kate and I was fifteen and she was seventeen, I

452
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: was so in awe of her. I just adored her.

453
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: We had very like big sister little sister vibes, Like

454
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: I worshiped her, and we were very very close, like

455
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: best best best friends. And to watch her work and

456
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: to just see like she was the most beautiful woman.

457
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: I didn't know people could be that beautiful in real life.

458
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: Like I just was like, this is crazy. She just

459
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: looked she was so gorgeous. And then you know, she

460
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: went out in the world and she started working, and

461
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: it just felt like the natural order of things because

462
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: I was like, I've met like a genuine movie star,

463
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: and then she started to become a movie star. I

464
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: was like, that makes sense, that's what should happen. And

465
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: then to see I guess it was mostly after Titanic,

466
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: this crazy backlash that she had to endure and the

467
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: way people talked about her body. I felt like I

468
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: was living in an alternate reality. I was like, no,

469
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: but that, like it was so bizarre and people commenting

470
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: on her body and I was like, that's the most

471
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: beautiful woman I've ever seen. Don't talk about anybody like that,

472
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 2: But I just it felt like backwards world. Yeah, and

473
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: the fact that she had to endure that and she

474
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 2: did it with so much grace and so much care

475
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: for other women at a time when it was not

476
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: spoken about, people were not sitting around talking about body

477
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: image because nobody had different bodies and she didn't even

478
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: have a different bodies was tiny, but she was forced

479
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: into this position and she stepped into it so gracefully,

480
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: And I remember at the time being like so furious

481
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: on her behalf that she had to do that, but

482
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: also just an awe of the fact that she was

483
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: able to and she wanted to uplift other women. And

484
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: I knew it was a struggle for her. I knew

485
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: how she felt about her body was a struggle. And

486
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wonder if she came to accept

487
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: herself more because she was put in a position of

488
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: lifting up other women and making other women feel seen.

489
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: But just like how difficult that was for her and

490
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: how unfair And at a moment where she was just

491
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: like stunning the world with her talent, and of course

492
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: people someone has to like take you down when you're

493
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: like literally on top of the world and then the

494
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: biggest movie of all times. Ione has to be like Ben,

495
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: this thing an invented thing, that's not even wrong with her.

496
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I've just a lot of compassion

497
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: for what she had to go through. And she's still

498
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: doing that. She's still like such an incredible spokesperson for women.

499
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: It's really like, for all these years, it's pretty amaze.

500
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's such an odd thing to be because

501
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: it does feel like they want to put you on

502
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: the pedestal just so they can enjoy.

503
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: Knocking you off.

504
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, was the moment of making that film because

505
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: you all were so young and you know, hadn't quite

506
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: exploded out into the world of the industry yet. Did

507
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: did you know it would change things? Or did it

508
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: feel a bit like summer camp?

509
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: It was my first job, so I just I couldn't

510
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 2: believe I was on a movie set and Kate was

511
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: like very professional, and she had been working for a

512
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: long time. It was her first movie, but she'd done

513
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: a lot of television and so she was really telling

514
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: me how things worked. And I remember her saying, like,

515
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: what are you going to spend your money on? It

516
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: wasn't very much money. When I back but like I

517
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: was like, I'm bent this money, and I realized like

518
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: she was thinking she was going to get another job,

519
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: she was going to I was like, this is it

520
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: for me, Like I'm going to keep this money in

521
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: a bank account to last me for the rest of

522
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: my life, which is so funny. But she was, you know,

523
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: thinking about like jobs in the future, and I it

524
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: was just I couldn't believe I was there. I felt

525
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: like I'd want to fan competition or something. Yeah, we'll

526
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: be back in just a minute.

527
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: After a few words from our favorite sponsors.

528
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: Well, so what happened next?

529
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: Because you know your filmography is over one hundred titles long,

530
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: is it?

531
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, it doesn't seem right.

532
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: I was like, my goodness, gracious, it's a factoid that

533
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I read and went grit.

534
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

535
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: And you you have been part of such a conic

536
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: things through your career, and I've also heard you talk.

537
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: About how.

538
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been gorgeous and it never quite

539
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: did the globally explosive thing like this until Yellowjackets. But

540
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: you're like one of the most prolific successful actors ever,

541
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: how does that is it just hard to have it

542
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: sort of resonate the things you're doing, or is it

543
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: that actor's stress of every job you're wondering if you're

544
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: ever going to get another job.

545
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that thing, okay. And I never had the

546
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: goal of being famous. I'm very shy, I'm I don't

547
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: like it. I'm very grateful now. I don't get recognized

548
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: very much, and when I do, somebody is very specific

549
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: and they know exactly it's either they know exactly where

550
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: they know me from when they have something very specific

551
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: to say, or as someone who's like, did you go

552
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: to such and such college? And if I didn't, they're

553
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: like like thrown off by the accent. So I can

554
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: kind of still move around and just be normal in

555
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: the world. I was always so afraid of not being

556
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: able to do that, you know, and I never sort

557
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: of being like a true famous person. It feels like

558
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: a prison. I agree. Yeah, yeah, So this has come

559
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: sort of like as close as I would ever want

560
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: to get, and it's very strange but also manageable. But

561
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: it's also so.

562
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: Cool as a you know, as a fan of yours

563
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: and then as such a fan of the show to

564
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: watch what you ladies have built and to watch the

565
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: hunger for it, the reception of it, the excitement around

566
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: it for women who you know, when we were in

567
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: our twenties they were telling us. By the time we

568
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: were forty, we don't never work.

569
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Again, I know.

570
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: And you're like, sorry, I'm just owning the hottest show

571
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: on TV at forty four.

572
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: You're welcome. Is it sort of delicious? It's incredibly delicious,

573
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: so great, love it. I love it too, and I

574
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: just think there's so much opportunity. Like a very dear

575
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: friend of mine in New Zealand created a show She's

576
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: just Too sixty. She created a show that she's the

577
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: star of It just got nominated for a BAFTA for

578
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Best International Show. It's called After the Party and now's

579
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Robin Malcolm. Oh yeah, whenever it comes out here, it's

580
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: so so, so good and she's like sixy and great

581
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: and funny and she made it happen for herself and

582
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: it was everywhere it's eared, it's been huge. It's been

583
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: so popular because like there's a hunger for it. People

584
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: want to see stories about women who are not like

585
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: twenty five years old. No disrespect to twenty five year olds,

586
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: but you know, it's people want to stories about women

587
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: who are like themselves.

588
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And I want to see stories that aren't just

589
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: about high school.

590
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

591
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: And I understand the irony of saying that as a

592
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: girl who got famous on a show about high school. Yeah,

593
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: but it can't just be that. And when I look

594
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: at our you know, small to overlapping large groups of friends,

595
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: we are all so much hotter, better looking, funnier and

596
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: more interesting than we were twenty years ago. And I

597
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: think twenty years ago we were pretty cute. I think

598
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: so too, but we're better now. Yeah, And I want this.

599
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: I want our world reflected well. And I want the

600
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: girls that are playing the high school girls now to

601
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: know like, we're here.

602
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: We got you. Yeah.

603
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want that so much. What is it

604
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: like doing that sort of dance with yourselves and your

605
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: younger selves on the show, you know, because obviously you're

606
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: you're shooting in I would imagine different locations different at

607
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: different times. Do you get to spend much time I'm

608
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: with the alter ego? High school kids are not?

609
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: Really, we try to. We try to see each other

610
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: whenever we can. Sophie and I are really close, and

611
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: my closest friend on the show was someone who played Lottie,

612
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: and hers is Court and you who plays Lottie. So

613
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: the four of us would get together a bit, which

614
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: is really cute and fun, sweet and a thing that

615
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: I found because I was very concerned with like being

616
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: an advocate for everybody, and I reached out and I

617
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: was like, if you need anything, I'll be your spokesperson

618
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: whatever you need. And they were all kind of like,

619
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: oh thanks. They were like that's so sweet. But they

620
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: did not need me at all. There's an agency that

621
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: they have that is just inherent in a way of

622
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: standing up for themselves that I love. I love it. Wow. Yeah,

623
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: nobody's like is it okay if I say this. They're

624
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: just like, well, I'm going to say something, and I

625
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: just I'm like, okay, you really don't need me. Do

626
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: you feel like you learn from them too? Yeah? Oh yeah,

627
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: very much.

628
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: And I always wonder about this when you're on a

629
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: show that has just changed the zeitgeist in the way

630
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: that Yellowjackets has. Did you did you know when you

631
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: read the script? Did you think, oh, this is one

632
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: of the best things I've read in years, or was

633
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: it the sort of arc of season one? Like did

634
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: you have a clue before it came on and you

635
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: saw the reception or were you sort of taken with

636
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: it the way the audience was.

637
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: I thought it was really good. Yeah, I thought the

638
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: pilot was so well written. I also had an infant,

639
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: and I was interested in being in half of a show.

640
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: I was so tired. I was like, that sounds great.

641
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: That sounds great.

642
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: By the way, I agree, yeah, I'm like, how do

643
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: we do more of what you're doing? Oh?

644
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: Please, They're like in half of the show with this

645
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: other timeline. I was like, I'm listening. Oh, but I

646
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: just thought the pilot was so good. I have no

647
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: idea how many people they offered it to before it

648
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: came to me, but I'm very but no, I know

649
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: that there were really Yeah, but I'm very grateful, thank

650
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: you to all those people who passed. I just was,

651
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm I just loved it. I loved it so much,

652
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: and I was just like, yeah, this feels right. And

653
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: then we made the pilot. Everything felt great, and we

654
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: just heard nothing, not like good job, it looks great,

655
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: what nothing? We had absolutely nothing. And then it was

656
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: the pandemic and I was just like, well, I guess

657
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: nothing's happening with that. Then it seems like just like

658
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: nothing at all. And then I was on a call

659
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: with my psychic and all I wanted to talk about

660
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: was whether I was going to have another baby. And

661
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: she started to tell me that there was something going

662
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: to happen in my career. It because it didn't happen

663
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: when I was twenty five. I thought, well, that's never

664
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Said that's coming, and you've already done a

665
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: bit of it, and I was like, I did a pilot,

666
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's going. It's like, oh no,

667
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: that's it. It's going. Okay, Well I want this woman's fine,

668
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: I'll give you her phone number. She's amazing. I'm giving

669
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: her phone number to so many people. Now she's impossible

670
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: to get an appointment. Well, well it makes time for me,

671
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: but but yeah, it was absolutely so. I had that

672
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: kind of a hits up because she's never wrong. But

673
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: it didn't make any sense to me. I was just like,

674
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I'm forty four years old. We've

675
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: heard not a word about this pilot. It's been nine months.

676
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: I think at that point, like nothing. It's so crazy.

677
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then what you got the call and they

678
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: said you need to move to Vancouver in three days later.

679
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, in one month, please change entirely. Yeah exactly.

680
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: And your baby and the damn it. Oh my god.

681
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: Wait, I have all these questions about your coworkers and

682
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: female rage and all these thoughts, and I'm like, hold on,

683
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: when did you start seeing a psychic? Tell me everything?

684
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: Oh? My therapist I had a therapist was no, you

685
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: should talk to No. Yeah, I love this, I know,

686
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: and she's been very she's very healing, okay, because a

687
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: lot of people get very judgy about these things.

688
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: And then there's also a part of me that things look,

689
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: there's so much we know. There's so much we know

690
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: we don't know about science and the universe, and we

691
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: know where this teeny tiny galaxy in this giant you know,

692
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: mcflurry of galaxies essentially, like there's so much out there

693
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: that we can't possibly understand. When I think about the

694
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: things we know that our grandparents didn't know, that doctors

695
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: didn't know. Yeah, I get excited about possibilities and energy,

696
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: and I think there are people who are tapped into

697
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: that A lot.

698
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: Of us aren't. Yeah, but how do you.

699
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's a little bit of a

700
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: feeling of well, why not if my therapist says it

701
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: to me? But how did you make the leap to say, oh, forget,

702
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm just going to book an appointment with us.

703
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: I can can see what happens. I just was too curious.

704
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: She was a very unconventional therapist. She passed away a

705
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: few years ago. I'm sorry, but she did a lot

706
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: of weird I was in group therapy with her. That

707
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: was always a fun time. Was she your five day person?

708
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: She'd sent me the first time she met me, she

709
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: sent me to the five day place. Oh, I like her.

710
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: It's my kind of broad.

711
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: It's not I don't feel like you're decision well, but

712
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: I don't feel like you'd say, lady like she feels

713
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: like abroad.

714
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: She's abroad. She was broad like, she really was. She

715
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: really was. But yeah, the first time she met me,

716
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: she was like, you know where you have to go?

717
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: And she like called them and I was like, told

718
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: me for twenty minutes, are you sure? Like? But I

719
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: trusted it? Is it time? Yeah? Wow? It was very strange.

720
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: And then how do you I'm so curious about this, how.

721
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: Do you kind of mitigate the.

722
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not that comes from a psychic Like people

723
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: will say it can be fun, take it with a

724
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: grain of salt it, but then I'm obsessed with things.

725
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: So how do you let it be additive and not

726
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: make you paranoid?

727
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: I think because I talk to she's very good at

728
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: talking about energies, how to deal with particular people, the

729
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: types of energy that's going to be coming towards you.

730
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: Like if there's somebody you're having difficulties with, she can

731
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: tell you. Like there was one coworker I was kind

732
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: of like intimidated by years ago. She was like, just

733
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: sit there and say nothing. And I was like, that's

734
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: so rude, and she was like, it's not like he

735
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: needs a little space. I just couldn't figure it out.

736
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to be friends with him,

737
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: but I'm sort of nervous, like, and she said, just

738
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: say absolutely nothing. Yeah, but I did. I just like

739
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: sat in the cast here and then one day he goes,

740
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, I love you. Don't come in here going

741
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: oh blah blah blah blah feeling that you need to talk.

742
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: It just really like feels really calm, and I feel

743
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: like you're just waiting for the time to be right

744
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: and then we like we're still very dear friends. Wow,

745
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Like she just knows I don't think. Yeah, she just

746
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: knows things about how people operate. So a lot of

747
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: it when I talk to her as that is just

748
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: you know, energy, or she can read the energy around

749
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: like a project that might come up and my god,

750
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm excited. Yeah, how fun.

751
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: It's very she's very fun and now for our sponsors.

752
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: So that's something I'm curious about because energy is important

753
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: on a project. I try to explain to people that

754
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: being cast on a show is essentially like having an

755
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: arranged marriage with fifteen to twenty five people.

756
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

757
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have to be immediate family, you have

758
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: to have great chemistry, you have to somehow know how

759
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: to communicate with everyone, even though everyone communicates differently and

760
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: they're total strangers. Yeah, and they're going to ship you

761
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: off somewhere and you're going.

762
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: To live together. Yeah. So true. It's like if you

763
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: had to marry everyone on Big Brother. Yeah.

764
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: It's confusing.

765
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And.

766
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm really curious because you do. You've got these parallel

767
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: storylines on the show, and it's this big group of women,

768
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: and I do think we're in a different time where

769
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: we get to be additive to each other instead of

770
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: encouraged to behave like, oh, there's only room for one

771
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: of you, so compete, ladies. Yeah, how do you How

772
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: does it feel energetically with this big group of women

773
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: and then this sort of younger group of women that

774
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: you guys want to look out for, but who are

775
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: teaching you things too?

776
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: Do you?

777
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: Did you have to sort of sit down and go, Okay, guys,

778
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: I know we all come from the early aughts, absolute

779
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: nightmare of Hollywood, but we're going to be cool and

780
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: be friends. Or were you all just ready? I think

781
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: we were all ready. We were all very very grateful

782
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: for the job, which is a nice thing. And it

783
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: was also during COVID we couldn't really hang out very much,

784
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: so we would do you know, Marco Polo.

785
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: I would leave each other, these Marco Polos. We were

786
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: just talking like and it would be at different times

787
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: like mine would be when my daughter had finally gone

788
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: to sleep, and Spring sitting next to her and bear

789
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Juliet's were like roaming around the streets and the cameras

790
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: like over here somewhere, just like yeah, so anyway, you know,

791
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: and they were all Christina's were always driving. She was like,

792
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: I'm fine, I put the camera somewhere. They were all

793
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: like such like a microcosm of our personalities, but we

794
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: just witnessed each other like how each other's days were.

795
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: And then we just started talking about our families, our past,

796
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: like se really harassed us. You know, just every everything

797
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: came out and it was so bonding. And so then

798
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: by the time we were at work together, we're like sisters.

799
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: And also I'm grateful that we all wanted to do

800
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: that and trusted each other enough. And then you know,

801
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: I know, people have had arguments and it's never going

802
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: to be easy when there's a group of people who

803
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: are so close knit. But the younger cast is like

804
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: that too, they're so close. Yeah. Like at Samantha, who

805
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: plays young Misty, she had a baby shower during production

806
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: last season and everybody was there and it just was

807
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: like really a special time to see how well we

808
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: all knew each other. It was really special. What a

809
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 2: cool what a cool moment.

810
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know if you're allowed to tell us,

811
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: but you know, the data we have all the numbers,

812
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: including you know, your film A.

813
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: Season three was the most watched season. Are we gonna

814
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: get a I don't know, so I want to know.

815
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: I know we're all a bit panicky. I can't. I mean, well,

816
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: we gotta call the psychic. Yeah, I'm scared to ask her.

817
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: I haven't told her for a few months.

818
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. When you this is

819
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: gonna seem like a weird tangent. But my brain made

820
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: the connection, which was, well, it's kind of the inner knowing, right,

821
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: And then.

822
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I wonder if that's how you

823
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: felt when you met Jason. And I was like, I realized.

824
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask you, did you feel like

825
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: you just knew when you met Jason?

826
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: And You're like, ma'am, what is this segue? But it

827
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: made sense. I understand the connection here, you know, yeah.

828
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: Did it Did it feel very different to you, you

829
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: know when you guys.

830
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 2: Met each other?

831
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: Or was it because I know you did movie after

832
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: movie together. Did it a while for you to go,

833
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, wait, is it.

834
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: This guy that I know? Well? We on the first

835
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: movie was when we like got together, but we were

836
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: both very chaotic. We both had like just gone through

837
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: breakups like just and it was he I don't know,

838
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: everybody seemed kind of like background noise to me. I

839
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: just couldn't focus on anyone or anything. And it felt

840
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: so chaotic and like my husband moved out of the house,

841
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: like it was.

842
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Just well you yeah, because you were going through a divorce.

843
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was so And it was even before

844
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: like the divorce. Jimmy and I took a long time

845
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: to sign divorce papers because it was just so depressing.

846
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: Every time we hung out, we were like, let's do

847
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: a nicktime. It just felt we didn't have It was

848
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: a very easy process, but just a signing no, I

849
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: get it. Oh yucky. I also think that's.

850
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: Listen, that's adulthood. Nobody decides to get a divorce until

851
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: they've been on a torture train for a pretty long time. Yeah,

852
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: and when you say it's time and someone moves out

853
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: or you both move or whatever, that's a long time coming.

854
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: And I don't know, well, and maybe it felt different

855
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: for you too.

856
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I'm projecting my experience and also the

857
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: experience of a bunch of my friends who weirdly went

858
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: through it and I did.

859
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. It was a really weird summer.

860
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: Speaking of I watched a video by a psychic who

861
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: said twenty twenty three was the year of the Great divorce,

862
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: Like nineteen twenty nine was the year of the Great Depression,

863
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three was the year of the Great divorce.

864
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: And if you actually look at the records, I'm like,

865
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: I am a basic pitch that I got divorced in

866
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, so and everybody else but a we

867
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: survived it well. But I find it so interesting because

868
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: when you meet someone or reconnect with someone or whatever

869
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: it is in that absolute chaos, I think maybe it's

870
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: easy to think, oh, this is a sweet rebound moment

871
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: or a nice distraction whatever. You also maybe it's the

872
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: moment you need.

873
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: The love of your life. I don't know. I mean

874
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: it ended up being, but if someone had come down

875
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: and that's the love of your life, I would have

876
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: been like, oh, I hope not. I don't he's not

877
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: doing very well. Like he was such a mess. So cute,

878
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: but he was like such a mess. I don't know.

879
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: I barely kind of noticed it, like I was like,

880
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: it seems sweet. I just had too much else going

881
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: on totally, And then one night he was like, you

882
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: know when I went through my breakup, Like one of

883
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: the things that was really great for me was like

884
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: kissing someone, like when you realize you can kiss someone.

885
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh okay, like it just felt

886
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: so weird and kiss me. I know. I was like

887
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: what and he was like, I don't know, just nouse

888
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: you were wondering. I all thought that was like a

889
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: helpful thing. And I was like and then I realized, like,

890
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: well I'm free too. I guess it's like it feels

891
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: too soon, yeah, but all right, And so then that happened,

892
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: and then it was very weird. We could say like

893
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like the spirit of our daughter

894
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: or something, which sounds weird when you're talking about kissing

895
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: each other. But something something happened.

896
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: You like felt something yeah, weird, something weird, just like oh,

897
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: let's say say like it was like kind of like

898
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: an oh no, it was sort of feeling oh god, yeah,

899
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to get to have the sludy

900
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: rebound sex.

901
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: I know, well there that goes. Yeah, it just was.

902
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: It was very I think also neither of us were

903
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: anywhere near ready for it, yeah, and I just didn't

904
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: want it. Yeah, but when it happens to you. It happens.

905
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's weird because you know, things are so

906
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: clear in hindsight. Yeah, when I think about that, oh

907
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: my god, by the way, in the absolute chaos, being

908
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: like there could be no worse time, I know, realizing

909
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: that I loved my partner and being like, oh god,

910
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: I have there's no not trying to do this. Yeah,

911
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: I've given myself every reason not to, and now I'm

912
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: going to.

913
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah.

914
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: And I I had a not as not a spirit

915
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: of a wise six year old, but what I had

916
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: was like I felt like something passed through me, if

917
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like I took a deep breath in

918
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: a way I never had before.

919
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting, and I went, uh oh yeah.

920
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: But thank god because it was complicated and it was hard,

921
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: and I think if I hadn't had that feeling that

922
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: made me sit and be quiet.

923
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: Like you've been on set with that man. Yeah, just wait.

924
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna sit in my chair

925
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm going to wait. And I don't know why, yeah,

926
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: because I probably should run, But what I'm gonna do

927
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna wait. I

928
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: sat and I waited, and now I'm like, like, I'm

929
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: too old to say I know what's forever and what

930
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: the future holds. But I'm like, I've just I've never

931
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: I've never taken a deep.

932
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: Breath like this, So yeah, it's nice. I Jason and

933
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: I were talking the other day and I was like,

934
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: everybody's boring. Like people are great. I love people. I

935
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: love meeting people, talking to people, but there's no like,

936
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: oh what that they like? You know, like, isn't it weird.

937
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: When you're like I genuinely want to just hang out

938
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: at home all I.

939
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: Want to do. I know, I mean, this is lovely,

940
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: it is. Do you know what I was about to

941
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: say is I'm like.

942
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: What I would really love is for you too to

943
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: call or will come?

944
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: Yes?

945
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: Then on my head other people that are so happy

946
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: at home, I'm like, do you want to hang out.

947
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: In my home? Or maybe we come to your exactly.

948
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: It's just that, yeah, we have to do upset otherwise.

949
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: I know, I feel great, Like it's wild.

950
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I love knowing because I adore him and

951
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: you know I adore you, and oh my god, he's

952
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: just the most wonderful and I just think about you know,

953
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: we used to run around la and go to auditions

954
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: together when you were babies, and so it's like I

955
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: cherish him in that sweet childhood sort of energy.

956
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's funny.

957
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: To know that you were like not him and then

958
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: everything was a mess because on the internet, you guys

959
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: are a couple.

960
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: You know, you're a.

961
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 3: Couple goals, the hashtag we hate it, which is probably

962
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: so annoying, but it's also because it's really undeniable how

963
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 3: lovely you both are, and you're lovely together, and you're

964
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: just very genuine about all of it.

965
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: I think how much you love each other and how

966
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: silly life is. How do you do you try to

967
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: ignore the Internet or does it amuse you?

968
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: I think it amuses Jason. Jason is more like online

969
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: than I am. It sort of freaks me out a

970
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: little bit. It is funny because I think if him

971
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: from that period of time would see this, he would

972
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: be so shocked. He'd be like, what is happening? Who's

973
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: this guy like professing his love? Like he was really

974
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: trying to be like cool single guy. Yeah, I know,

975
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 2: I know it was really he did his best. Sweet

976
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: It was a real journey, Sweet baby, I know, sweet baby,

977
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: but we were in a couple's therapy like three weeks

978
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: after we met each other with the same therapist. Amazing. Yeah,

979
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: what did she say? In our first session? She figured

980
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: out that she was also seeing Jason and I was like, oh, well,

981
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: then I guess you can't be my therapist. She was like, ah,

982
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: like coming together, let's see what happens. So I was like, okay, okay,

983
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: you're you have no boundaries. Oh my god, I'm amazing.

984
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: So I love you.

985
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: I wish my therapist had no boundaries. I keep trying

986
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: to get him to hang out with me hmm, and

987
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: he won't and I'm like, Trevor, you're married to a woman.

988
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm dating a woman. It's so not weird, Like let's

989
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: all go to lunch. And he's like, no, it's not ethical,

990
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, but why. It's like we talk about

991
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: our partners all the time, and I want to, like

992
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: m I don't know. It feels weird that I don't

993
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: know her, and he's like, it's not weird for me.

994
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: Stop stop, this is how it should bathe That is

995
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: more normal. I don't like it. That is more normal.

996
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: I mean, my therapist was like bringing a shaman in now,

997
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: and again I'm not mad at it. I think we

998
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: need the shaman for this issue.

999
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: As deeply nerdy about science as I am, I'm also

1000
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: really into the mystical. It's like yependulum really swings both

1001
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: ways for me.

1002
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very into the mystical. Like I like, we

1003
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: moved a little while ago to a new house and

1004
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: my organizer made this box that he said, and I'm

1005
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: making a box that's going to be called mystic box.

1006
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh what. She was like, it's

1007
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: for your mysticism items. And I was like, I don't

1008
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: think I have. And then I was like, oh, my god,

1009
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: many an item, so many and that many animals? Oh

1010
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: my god in the tarot dicks and I have a

1011
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: good one for you. Oh do you? Oh I'm excited. Okay, Oh,

1012
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm excited.

1013
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors that I really

1014
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: enjoy and I think you will too. I love being

1015
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: in my forties, and I love what love feels like

1016
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: in my forties, and I love our world of even

1017
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: work in our forties. What does it feel like for

1018
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: you like to be here and so present? And I

1019
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: don't know, are you kind of in love with your

1020
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: forties too.

1021
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: I am, I think like a big surprise, not surprise,

1022
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: but like, if I'm being super honest, I love being

1023
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: a mother so much, and so a big pad of

1024
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: I think in my forties because I had my daughter

1025
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: when I was forty one, and then I was like,

1026
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: I just I want to do that again, and I

1027
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: haven't been able to. So that's taken up a lot

1028
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: of I guess I have not had as much appreciation

1029
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: from my forties because I felt a little bit of

1030
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: a ticking bock on this thing that I think I'm

1031
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: starting to make peace with. That's the greatest kid in

1032
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: the world. We just give everything to this little person. Yeah,

1033
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: So that's been the only kind of like about that.

1034
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: But otherwise just feel I'm very grateful to be parenting

1035
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: at this age, even though it's meant that another one

1036
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: hasn't been able to happen, right, because I just I

1037
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: know myself, I know her, I know her dad, I

1038
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: love her dad. Like it's not a relationship where we're

1039
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: trying to figure things out or figure each other out.

1040
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: It's very calm, right, and I just has been so

1041
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: surprisingly wonderful.

1042
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's a I never like to say a

1043
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: settled feeling, because I always feel like using that word

1044
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: is so close to settling down or settling Yeah, you know,

1045
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: but it's like an ease, like there's more of a

1046
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: rest and how it feels maybe to be in this

1047
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: stage very very much.

1048
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: And I didn't think that was the thing I was

1049
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: capable of. Like I remember that same boyfriend who helped

1050
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: me through my eating disorder, we like went on a

1051
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: vacation and I was sneaking away to the payphone to

1052
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: call my agent because I knew it was like just relaxed,

1053
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: it's not time for work, and I was like totally.

1054
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: And then I'd be like, is anything coming? Like what

1055
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,479
Speaker 2: happened with that audition? Like I was so worried about

1056
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 2: what snakes? What snakes? What's going to happen? Yeah, I

1057
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine. Even all through my thirties, I felt that

1058
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: so much, like what's coming, how's it going to be received,

1059
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: what's the next job? And you know, I know part

1060
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: of that is being in a place where work has

1061
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: been easy for the last few years, which I'm so

1062
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: grateful for, but it's also just being happy. Yeah, and

1063
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: when I go to work, I'm like, do I really

1064
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: want to leave me? Do I really want to not

1065
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: be able to volunteer at school for a few weeks

1066
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: and not to drop off and not drive her home

1067
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: and hear about her day and everyone who's annoying her

1068
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: and everyone who she loves. You know, Oh, it's so crazy. Yeah.

1069
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: We had a biting incident with one of Ash's kids

1070
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: not doing it having it done to them at school,

1071
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is this feeling?

1072
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: What is this rage?

1073
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: What is this like I will punt a small child

1074
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: if they don't stop doing this ye to this kid

1075
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: who is magic to me? Yeah, And I was like, wow,

1076
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: this is And I called a lot my friends who

1077
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: have little kids, and I was like, nobody told me

1078
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: about like the defensive rage part. One of my girlfriends goes,

1079
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: you know that adage about how mom could pick up

1080
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: a car.

1081
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1082
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: I was like, yep, ding ding ding, Yeah, understood, got it,

1083
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: that's true.

1084
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: The angriest I've ever seen, Jason, I think, was we

1085
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: were in Atlanta. My daughter like mad a little friend

1086
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: on the playground. He was a boy. He was like

1087
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: maybe eighteen months older than her, and he was maybe

1088
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: four and a half. She was like three, and he

1089
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: said to her, you just sit in the corner and

1090
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to be playing, and you just watch me playing.

1091
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: And she was like, I'll play and he was like no, no, no,

1092
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: you just watch and I'm going to be And so

1093
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: she sat there and I was like and Jason was like,

1094
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: get out. Like he was so he didn't like yell

1095
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: at a child, but he like, he was like, come on,

1096
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: get out of there, like, don't play with this kid.

1097
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, you gotta take it down a notch.

1098
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: But he was so furious that anybody would like tell

1099
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: her child to sit in a corner and just watch it.

1100
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: She was like, he was like no.

1101
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,959
Speaker 1: I was like, what a metaphor for the patriarchy, my god.

1102
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: Truly on the topic of saving the world, if you

1103
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: have to be stranded in the woods, and now this

1104
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: can be person or character with one of your Yellow

1105
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: Jackets castmates, like back to the Apocalypse question, who are

1106
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: you picking to really help you survive or a character?

1107
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: Gosh, that'd all be very very good. I do feel

1108
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: like Christina is very practical and she would be good

1109
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: in an emergency. I think I like that.

1110
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could reboot any classic nineties film or

1111
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: show and star in it.

1112
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 2: What would it be? It's really Oh, I shouldn't say

1113
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: that my husband's on Metlock, but I like that, you

1114
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: know what.

1115
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: I think of that as as more of a reimagine.

1116
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: It's a reimagine, perhaps even a chapter two.

1117
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so different. It is. The Matlock is so

1118
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: different and it's very fun and I am obsessed with it.

1119
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: I am. Do you have an answer for this? It's

1120
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: such a good question.

1121
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: I do, and I read the weird thing? Is it

1122
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: hit me this week?

1123
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: Moonlighting? Oh, it's so good. Come on right, See my

1124
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: favorite show when I was maybe like ten, that's not

1125
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: quite the when was thirty something. That was my favorite show.

1126
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: But I think that's late eighties. That's okay, it's close enough.

1127
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: It was my favorite show. Oh, I lated it. And

1128
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: I also really loved La Law. Oh my god. La

1129
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: Law was so good. It's so good. Yeah, is there

1130
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: a good like Flashy? We could be like sexy lawyers.

1131
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: You know, I would like to play a lawyer. I

1132
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: would too. I never get to do stuff like that.

1133
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: Why I always have a car? I'm always like in

1134
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: a plaid shirt or like because you was.

1135
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: So emotionally available as an that people are like, let

1136
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: us see her, let us see the darkness, and you're like,

1137
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: give me a.

1138
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: You want a power suit and a nice heel. I do.

1139
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: Put some shitty lawyer named Zach in his place.

1140
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: I never have to wear heels at look. Okay, never.

1141
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: Hollywood, Like, who do I address for this part? If

1142
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: you're listening, Hollywood, we'd like to do a law show.

1143
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, and you should be on it. I

1144
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: love it.

1145
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: Oh, my dad still can't believe I'm not a lawyer.

1146
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: He's like you just He's like, you.

1147
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Were made to argue on behalf of people. I'm like,

1148
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: you're what You're not? Charles. What's a role?

1149
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: Well, this is always a funny question because I'm like,

1150
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: this came from one of our producers who's never had

1151
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: to audition for anything.

1152
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: What's the role that you turned down that you still

1153
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: think about? Well, I was never in a position to

1154
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: be like.

1155
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: When people say have to choose your roles, You're like,

1156
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: I am auditioning a job.

1157
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: I will say it's been a long time since I

1158
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 2: which I'm feel very grateful, which feels correct because I'm

1159
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: bad at it. I hate it. I think it's a

1160
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: separate skill.

1161
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: It is, and it's like, I'm never going to have

1162
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: the experience I don't care who I'm reading with that

1163
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to have with you in a scene when

1164
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: you surprise me with something you think or like it's

1165
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: alchemy between two people and the audition is inherently hollow

1166
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: because the other person isn't there. Yeah, thank you for

1167
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: coming to my ted talk.

1168
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a chemistry read I'm fine with same. Yeah,

1169
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: but just an audition, and especially when they give you

1170
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: like all the crying scenes.

1171
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: And it's like twelve pages by tomorrow, I know, my god, no,

1172
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: thank you? Yeah, Okay, I think this is a long list.

1173
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: But who has been the celebrity fan of yellow jackets

1174
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: that's just tickled you the most or surprised you the most.

1175
01:04:52,840 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: Gosh, it's really nice that it's been received so well. God,

1176
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: I actually don't know. I don't know why.

1177
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: In my brain I have this vision of Meryl streep

1178
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: Oh telling you how much she loves yellow Jackets. I

1179
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: don't know if it's happened.

1180
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: But happen it's not happened.

1181
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, in my brain, that would be the really

1182
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: fun one for you.

1183
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: That would be a really fun one. I think it's true.

1184
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: I think it's true. I was at a Patty and

1185
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: making the staalim. It was like I love you, and

1186
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: I said I love you and she goes, no, you don't,

1187
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't look that uncool, Like

1188
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: yes I do. I was like, I really genuinely do.

1189
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: She's so cool. It's so cool. The fact that you

1190
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 2: said that, Okay.

1191
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: We're officially now the Megan the Stallion fan club means

1192
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: I have to tell you what happened. So this past year,

1193
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: Elton John does this big fundraiser during the Oscars to

1194
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: raise money for the AIDS Foundation. I went, I turn

1195
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: around and Megan the Stallion is eight inches from my face,

1196
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: floating by in this.

1197
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: Like Marrigl dress. She's so beautiful, and I got she's

1198
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: so beautiful, it's like crazy.

1199
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: I lost control of my physical body and gasped that

1200
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: loud into her face and she turned and I went, sorry,

1201
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: I love you, and she goes, oh my god, girl,

1202
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: I love you.

1203
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: And I was like not possible. And she was like

1204
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: what and her friend was like.

1205
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: No, she she really like she likes your show. And

1206
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: I was like wait what And I was like, we

1207
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: have to take a picture and nobody's gonna believe me

1208
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: that this happened.

1209
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: And we took a picture, and then for the rest

1210
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: of the night, I'm.

1211
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: Like, she's just really a nice lady who probably is

1212
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: so nice to everyone who loves her and makes you

1213
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: feel like she knows you and loves you. And I

1214
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: saw her yesterday and I walked into.

1215
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: A room and she went Sylphia her girl. And I

1216
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, she meant it. I'm telling

1217
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: you that it's trick.

1218
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: She's she likes serialized television dramas and she mean, Okay,

1219
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: she meant it.

1220
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: That's nice. She was very sweet. She's an icon. Yeah.

1221
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 2: I could not have been more awkward. No, And then

1222
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: I stood differ a minute, and then I was like,

1223
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: can I get you a drink? She was like, okay,

1224
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 2: there's no like buying, you know, you just get it.

1225
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 2: I don't drink. I can't be you can get a drink.

1226
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: She's fine, just like thanks though, and you're like cool.

1227
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was such a nerdy kid, like

1228
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how.

1229
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: To I can't be in those rooms. I can't be

1230
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: around famous people and my best friend it's horrible, and

1231
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: my best friend goes to things with me, and she'll

1232
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: be like, stop at your being so weird.

1233
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: You are also a famous person, And I'm like, not

1234
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: like Megan the Stallion, like I can't.

1235
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why suddenly I lose the ability to

1236
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: be regular because I'm like, well, do I tell you

1237
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: about all the things I know that you've done that

1238
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: I think are great?

1239
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: Or is that awkward? So then do I not tell you? So?

1240
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: Then do I pretend that I don't know about you?

1241
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: So I feel like I become the the like clown

1242
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: car version of myself.

1243
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a good look for me. I'm sure

1244
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 2: it's very adorable. It's not. But but I know what

1245
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: you mean, Like it's a really it's very hard to

1246
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: know how to behave mm hmm hmm. Well, I can't

1247
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: wait to just start running and hiding behind you at work.

1248
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 2: Please please, thank God, more awkward, perfect, great come out

1249
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 2: from behind me. You'll seem really collected, really cool.

1250
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna I'm going to take a page

1251
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: from the psychic and just be quiet.

1252
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: It's so so weird, Like I've never felt more awkward

1253
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 2: in my life.

1254
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: She's right, Well, yep, and now you're friends with this man? Yeah,

1255
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: dying to know who it is, but I shan't ask

1256
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: whilst the world is listening, My dear, My favorite thing

1257
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,440
Speaker 1: to ask people is and it can be personal or professional,

1258
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: it can really be anything that comes to mind. But

1259
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: right now, for you, in this lovely moment in your life,

1260
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: what feels like you're working progress?

1261
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, there's there's so much. I feel like I

1262
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: still am learning to accept good things. It sounds a

1263
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: bit silly, but I had to admit that to myself

1264
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 2: the other day. Yeah, like, you don't have to sort

1265
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: of struggle through something. You can ask for things to

1266
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: be better. You don't have to be well, this is

1267
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: like better than my wildest dreams. You know. It's just

1268
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: allowing yourself to want good things and good people around you.

1269
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: And like, I don't know, I just sort of it's

1270
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: so hard for me to accept positive things happening that

1271
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: there's a part of me that's like, well that's enough,

1272
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 2: then that's good. Thank you so much. I had, and

1273
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 2: then I was like, no, I want good things to

1274
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: keep happening and I to multiply. Yeah, And so I

1275
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 2: think it's that. And then also just every day with

1276
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: my daughter, just trying to be a better parent to

1277
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 2: her and learn more about her. I love it.

1278
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's sort of interesting, right. You never want

1279
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: her to feel like she had a finite amount of

1280
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: good things.

1281
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, So yeah, here's an interesting like reparenting of

1282
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 2: yourself that happens. Yeah, it's kind of cool, it's amazing.

1283
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: And I remember Sarah Paulson said that to me years ago,

1284
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: who was one of my very wisest friends. And she

1285
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: always like she would be a therapist if she wasn't

1286
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 2: an actor. She just always has the most perfect thing.

1287
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: And I remember being very anxious about doing something after

1288
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: work or something like that, and feeling very guilty about

1289
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: being away from my child. And she pointed out to

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Speaker 2: me that, you know, when you've had any kind of

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Speaker 2: like neglect is a big word, but you know you've

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Speaker 2: felt sort of things missing in your life, you can

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Speaker 2: really try to overcorrect with your kids. And she said,

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Speaker 2: you have to understand that like having your own time

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Speaker 2: and doing something for yourself is not neglect. It's very natural.

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Speaker 2: It's actually really good for her to see that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, I am kind of

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Speaker 2: over correcting. And she doesn't want a parent who's just like, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to be here with you whenever I'm

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Speaker 2: not actively working for the household. You know, she's seeing

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Speaker 2: her mom have a life. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is the love you model with your

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Speaker 1: spouse will teach her. Yeah, love she sees you give

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Speaker 1: yourself will teach her. The love she sees between you

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Speaker 1: and your girlfriends, yeah, will teach her. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's really special to remember that. You know, if this

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Speaker 1: is neutral and and your upbringing felt like this much

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Speaker 1: was in the red, you don't want to go that

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Speaker 1: much farther into the green.

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Speaker 2: You wanna you want to get like just on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the neutral. And yeah, so it's full

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Speaker 2: but easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's a really that's a beautiful observation.

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Speaker 2: Me. Thank you for sharing, thank you for coming, Thank

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Speaker 2: you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Lola.

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Speaker 2: This is so fun. This is so fun.