Speaker 1: Last time on Obscureum Invasion of the Drones.
Speaker 2: We track high value aerospace targets so to breakdown into
Speaker 2: the business world, but our many focus is to go
Speaker 2: after the UAPs better within the news.
Speaker 3: Right now, now, big white one looks like it's coming closer.
Speaker 4: They are all over.
Speaker 3: There's another one right directly above me, to my left.
Speaker 5: The most plausible thing I heard, though, was that it
Speaker 5: was somebody that was conducting experiments as far as figuring
Speaker 5: out whether these things can do perimeter surveillance or missile sites.
Speaker 1: There's actually a report that one of these mysterious crafts landed.
Speaker 2: Were there other drones there besides mine? Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you who they were?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Do you think he's lying?
Speaker 1: Despite pushback from the FAA and helping me speak with
Speaker 1: special agent called Bumberger of the Law Enforcement Assistance Program,
Speaker 1: I figured out how to contact him directly. I never
Speaker 1: received a response. I worked at other angles, and one
Speaker 1: of those was to look further into what Rod Miller
Speaker 1: and his group of backcountry drone hunters were still observing
Speaker 1: months after the initial sightings. I'd soon learn that some
Speaker 1: of their revelations were much more mysterious than the FAA
Speaker 1: is Silence chapter thirteen. Into the Night, Rod became the
Speaker 1: go to local everyone shared their unidentified aircraft experiences with
Speaker 1: the social media group he was always active in, called
Speaker 1: Drone Intelligence Center Colorado, Nebraska, Wyoming in all other states
Speaker 1: stayed the long term hub for public conversation. However, what
Speaker 1: was being talked about in Rod's separate drone hunter's messenger
Speaker 1: chat remained a secret. I reconnected with Rod with the
Speaker 1: hope that after we'd catch up, he'd add me to
Speaker 1: the private thread.
Speaker 6: I use a Geiger counter, which is of course when
Speaker 6: I start out as always zero, and then also having
Speaker 6: any MF meter. Of course, he didn't show any lights
Speaker 6: at all because there's no electrical I mean, there was
Speaker 6: nothing out there.
Speaker 1: Rod's latest process for studying the craft involved using a
Speaker 1: Geiger counter to detect radiation in an EMF meter to
Speaker 1: signal electromagnetic fields usually emitted from man made sources such
Speaker 1: as wiring. He frequented many areas to follow the objects,
Speaker 1: but his self discovered ancient site in northeast Colorado continued
Speaker 1: to be a hotbed for activity.
Speaker 6: I know one night there was eleven of the orbs
Speaker 6: that left the site the MF meter pegged itself, which
Speaker 6: is huge, and the guy encounter was like an off
Speaker 6: radiation to So there's that's just two of the things
Speaker 6: I check. You know, it's we don't know what. I
Speaker 6: don't know what else that throws off.
Speaker 1: Rod sent me a couple videos of what he described.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a way to verify his exact location when
Speaker 1: the clip was taken or what might be just outside
Speaker 1: of the video frame.
Speaker 6: I would notice that these orbs would flash lights, and
Speaker 6: it's like they're communicated with each other with flashing lights.
Speaker 6: So it got to the point where when I was
Speaker 6: at my setup, that's what I would do is I
Speaker 6: would flash lights in the same patterns that they are
Speaker 6: and which would bring him in closer. And then I
Speaker 6: have tested different tones, and when I play the sounds
Speaker 6: it if it's an upbeat tempo, they will actually the
Speaker 6: ORMs flash their lights in beat with the music. I'm
Speaker 6: videos to show this. If I use a different tone
Speaker 6: that's a real peaceful, mellow tone, the orbit will just
Speaker 6: turn really pretty blue color. The whole thing will be blue.
Speaker 6: And but if you use a bass tone, they turned red.
Speaker 6: They become violent. I mean, they'll come at you real hard.
Speaker 6: They act like a living bean. I mean they show curiosity.
Speaker 6: They just show different emotions. You know, you can feel it.
Speaker 6: One time I was playing the mellow tone that turned
Speaker 6: them blue, and I had one come literally right up
Speaker 6: in front of me, and then it went back to
Speaker 6: the other arms real quick, and then it came up
Speaker 6: by me and it was there, literally so close. I
Speaker 6: felt like I could reach out. I could actually feel
Speaker 6: some kind of a weird energy coming off of it.
Speaker 1: Rod spoke with a directness. The things he said didn't
Speaker 1: seem possible, but he pulled me into his world in
Speaker 1: a way where I found myself rooting for his story
Speaker 1: to be true. Was he just grasping for a way
Speaker 1: to connect it all? Living an adventure he'd always dreamed of.
Speaker 1: Rod was obviously driven by his family's safety and lifelong
Speaker 1: obsession with geography and ancient cultures, But the truth was
Speaker 1: outside of his battle with critics. Rod then shared that
Speaker 1: he was in a battle for something else. Time he'd
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with an aggressive type of brain cancer.
Speaker 6: Wasn't long after that close call, ve close experience I
Speaker 6: had had. I've had like prive heart attacks my hereditary thing,
Speaker 6: and I'd plugged up again. And while I was in
Speaker 6: the hospital and they brain tumor that I had was
Speaker 6: was still there or you know, but to what degree
Speaker 6: or how much longer I had to live because they
Speaker 6: had when they diagnosed me with the brain tumor, it
Speaker 6: was an attack that you know, there wasn't nothing that
Speaker 6: they could do about it. They wanted to treat it,
Speaker 6: treat the cancer, but I wouldn't let them because they
Speaker 6: basically said it was pretty hopeless and I just don't.
Speaker 6: I wanted to die peacefully and not in a hospital.
Speaker 6: Smart long story short, the toumur's gone, like missing totally,
Speaker 6: like wasn't even there. I have to either tie that
Speaker 6: to to God healing me or that close encounter, you know,
Speaker 6: with that blue being thing.
Speaker 1: What would you say to skeptics, I.
Speaker 6: Think humans in in in general, any of us, we're
Speaker 6: all fear based. I mean, that's that's just that's what
Speaker 6: a human being is. We're fear based. Some people, can
Speaker 6: you know, there's things that push them past that. You know,
Speaker 6: maybe it's concerned, maybe it's just you know, curiosity, there's
Speaker 6: certain things. But there's some people that really that just
Speaker 6: remain fear based. And those people are the ones that
Speaker 6: usually that fear base leads them to denial. And I
Speaker 6: mean I've learned that. You know, like when I take
Speaker 6: a video, if it's a big ORB, I reference the
Speaker 6: moon in their video. I do everything I can because
Speaker 6: I know the skeptics are going to be strong. I
Speaker 6: know that they're going to say that's not a NORB,
Speaker 6: that's the moon. So I reference the moon and then
Speaker 6: I show that word, and I try to make it
Speaker 6: as clear undeniable proof as I can get.
Speaker 1: Proof is a daunting word, which I was continually reminded of,
Speaker 1: especially relating to UAPs, UFOs orbs, drones or whistleblowers. I
Speaker 1: called the kit Carson County Sheriff's office to see if
Speaker 1: there were recent sidings near the general location. Rod described me.
Speaker 1: A representative for the sheriff's office stated that things seem quiet. However,
Speaker 1: a farming family who lived nearby confirmed strange lights were
Speaker 1: still being seen.
Speaker 4: My name is Tammy Fogg, and I've lived in the
Speaker 4: area for sixty seven years. I was born here except
Speaker 4: when I went to college at k.
Speaker 1: You met at the center of Rod's in her circle
Speaker 1: was his sister, Tammy. She's a registered nurse and our
Speaker 1: n administrator and Chase's drones with him.
Speaker 7: Rod put me in this messenger group. Are you in
Speaker 7: that group too?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's called drone Hunters. We got real careful on
Speaker 4: who we added to that group because we're just there
Speaker 4: to share information. We don't aren't necessarily in there for
Speaker 4: somebody to come in with big criticism. It's there. You
Speaker 4: can express your ideas freely in pictures if you would
Speaker 4: like to. And if you needed help, if you were
Speaker 4: out drone watching somewhere, you know, and you had a
Speaker 4: flat tire or you thought you needed help taking some pictures,
Speaker 4: you can put that on there, shoot your location and
Speaker 4: so be there in a little bit so because my
Speaker 4: brother will go look at some of those remote site
Speaker 4: If you had a flat tire out there, or something
Speaker 4: spooky happened, you'd be way out there.
Speaker 1: The Drone Hunter messenger chain, which I finally made it into,
Speaker 1: was a mix of shaky video posts cell phone photos
Speaker 1: of blurry lights in the sky. In commentary on the
Speaker 1: sightings and other current events, there was a definite right
Speaker 1: leaning slant to the conversations. Sometimes folks were rasping for conclusions. However,
Speaker 1: I could tell there was a common goal to see
Speaker 1: cancers instead of spreading unvalidated theories.
Speaker 4: We've studied hard on like the starlink systems. We have
Speaker 4: flight radar loaded in our phones so that we don't
Speaker 4: accidentally pick up an aircraft, you know, and think that
Speaker 4: it's a drone. I mean, we're genuinely concerned about what's
Speaker 4: up there.
Speaker 7: Rod kind of told me that he had like a
Speaker 7: close encounter and he had been diagnosed with cancer and
Speaker 7: he said it wasn't looking good. He talked about that
Speaker 7: with him at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, because he did have like a tumor and
Speaker 4: it was getting progressively worse. He was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to treat this, you know, it just is
Speaker 4: what it is. He did have a heart attack, was
Speaker 4: shipped out to Greeley. He has more than one stint
Speaker 4: in his heart. They put another stent in and so
Speaker 4: I said, Rod, while you're there, he had had that
Speaker 4: droning encounter that he was talking about at that time.
Speaker 4: He said, I said, have some check and do you
Speaker 4: know that was totally gone. So can I explain that medically?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I cannot.
Speaker 1: Hearing a nurse's take on Rod's diagnosis added the layer
Speaker 1: of authority to his mystifying story. Like Rod, I wanted
Speaker 1: to know if Tammy saw the unknown objects communicating with
Speaker 1: each other?
Speaker 7: Have you experienced this before?
Speaker 4: Truthfully, not so lunch, because not that just because I
Speaker 4: usually get spooped and get the heck out of there.
Speaker 4: But like at that ancient site up there, you know,
Speaker 4: he can set up and they seem to be you know,
Speaker 4: just they'll stay right there for a time that you know,
Speaker 4: he can try lights and found and that type of thing.
Speaker 4: But he goes there quite often. And there are a
Speaker 4: couple older farmers out there that say they've been seeing
Speaker 4: that stuff for a number of years.
Speaker 1: Since Rod's observations were anything but normal, I've been burning
Speaker 1: to ask Tammy how her drone hunting encounters compared to his.
Speaker 1: She began telling me about a night in early twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: right after the objects first appeared in northwest Kansas.
Speaker 4: So I was sent out down in a draw in
Speaker 4: the middle of a field, felt very confident with where
Speaker 4: I was at. I was in the car, had the
Speaker 4: windows down, and it was getting like nine point thirty
Speaker 4: twenty to ten maybe ten, and I thought, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to see enoughing tonight. I'm going on home,
Speaker 4: and just about that time, down over the top into
Speaker 4: that draw came three triangular, huge about the size of
Speaker 4: a vehicle craft, but they did not look like anything
Speaker 4: I had ever seen from this planet. I flipped the
Speaker 4: lights on the car, and when I did that, it
Speaker 4: appeared to startle them, because they started these these all
Speaker 4: these kind of flashing lights. And I looked my head
Speaker 4: out the window, went to take a picture, and the
Speaker 4: stuff out of the one closest to me started coming out.
Speaker 4: That was like the fog stuff. I inhaled it. It
Speaker 4: was like I couldn't get my breath and burnt my eyes.
Speaker 4: I reached down, started the car and took off in
Speaker 4: the car up over the top of the thing. They
Speaker 4: backed those things up and were started to come after
Speaker 4: me as I was coming down the road at a
Speaker 4: low like I mean, at a low level. Then I
Speaker 4: was headed back for town and then they just zipped off.
Speaker 7: Yeah, with you being a medical professional, did you think
Speaker 7: he needed to go to the er and have you know,
Speaker 7: have that checked out?
Speaker 4: Or yes, I loved it, Yes you'd go to the R.
Speaker 4: I did not go to the R but I felt
Speaker 4: like I should have, because what in the blue blazes
Speaker 4: was I going to tell him happened? They would have
Speaker 4: thought I was nuttiers than alone. Do you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? I did not go. Did I feel like
Speaker 4: I should have? Yes? Did I come into the house
Speaker 4: and take an albu or all breathing treatment, Yes? I did.
Speaker 1: Chapter fourteen worked over time. The disconnect between local and
Speaker 1: federal officials investigating the sidings only increased if these objects
Speaker 1: were in fact breaking laws. The FAA or other agencies
Speaker 1: I wasn't even aware of couldn't enforce regulations. The general
Speaker 1: consensus seemed to be that we know there's something not
Speaker 1: normal flying around up there, but we don't know what
Speaker 1: to do about it. We're going to pretend it's not there.
Speaker 1: These factors opened the door to conspiracy theories and outside
Speaker 1: interpretations of the mystery, including one prominent news outlet publishing
Speaker 1: that the encounters I and so many people experienced weren't real.
Speaker 1: This viewpoint was built on the idea of mass hysteria.
Speaker 1: Since I'd made a commitment to keep an open mind
Speaker 1: and look into every angle of this story, it was
Speaker 1: important to understand what, if any, facts fueled this perspective.
Speaker 8: My name is Barry Markowsky. My position is Distinguished Professor
Speaker 8: Emeritus at Universe City of South Carolina in sociology.
Speaker 1: Barry Markowsky has a PhD from Stanford and he's one
Speaker 1: of the nation's top experts on mass hysteria. What is
Speaker 1: mass hysteria and how does hysteria develop around a particular event?
Speaker 8: So, mass hysteria is it's a temporary phenomenon, it's spontaneous.
Speaker 8: It involves spreading false beliefs within some population or group,
Speaker 8: and those false beliefs typically lead to irrational thoughts and
Speaker 8: irrational behavior, sometimes destructive behaviors. There could be physical manifestations,
Speaker 8: people could get sick, or psychosomatic manifestations. And it often
Speaker 8: develops around particular events when there's an awareness that other
Speaker 8: people are experiencing the same thing or holding the same
Speaker 8: beliefs or similar beliefs. That provides a kind of validation
Speaker 8: that further reinforces the effect. Putting this into context, I've
Speaker 8: watched a lot of UFO videos where you can hear
Speaker 8: the people who are taking the video of the UFO.
Speaker 8: You can hear them conversing on the audio track, and
Speaker 8: they and the people around them are literally negotiating the
Speaker 8: meaning of what they're seeing to listen to them, you
Speaker 8: would think that this little light in the sky, which
Speaker 8: is often all that it is, is the most extraordinary
Speaker 8: thing they've ever seen. You're seeing in these or hearing
Speaker 8: in these videos, this contagion effect, this amplification effect, happening
Speaker 8: in real time. So again it's showing how, even more
Speaker 8: than the final domenon itself up in the sky, people
Speaker 8: are being influenced in their beliefs by the other people
Speaker 8: around them, and they will often end up concluding that
Speaker 8: they have seen an extraterrestrial visiting Earth or something really
Speaker 8: extraordinary like that.
Speaker 3: If someone saw what they thought was a drone in
Speaker 3: the sky and they spoke with a separate group who
Speaker 3: saw it and thought it was a plane, would that
Speaker 3: person's interpretation of what they saw change.
Speaker 8: So you're more likely to change your belief if you
Speaker 8: find that a lot of people around you believe something
Speaker 8: that you don't. You're more likely to change your belief
Speaker 8: if the people who hold that alternative belief have some
Speaker 8: kind of authority or status in your eyes, and you're
Speaker 8: more likely to change your belief if they are socially
Speaker 8: close to you than if they're socially distant. Another interesting
Speaker 8: and related aspect of this is memory. Memory, it turns out,
Speaker 8: is a really malleable thing, and even when you've experienced
Speaker 8: something and feel that you understood what you saw, it's
Speaker 8: possible that the influence of other people, the reinterpretations that
Speaker 8: they provide you, cause you to think about what you
Speaker 8: experienced in a different way, and your memory of it
Speaker 8: can actually change as your brain is filling in gaps
Speaker 8: or substituting bits of information.
Speaker 1: I agreed memories could get blurred, but those memories I
Speaker 1: documented were tied to strong emotions, and that was key
Speaker 1: for me. Regardless of the finer details of an encounter,
Speaker 1: people never forgot how the craft made them feel. There
Speaker 1: was no doubt in my mind that even though the
Speaker 1: sightings were fewer and farther between compared to when the
Speaker 1: craft first arrived in late twenty nineteen, many folks in
Speaker 1: the region continue to experience a strange phenomenon in the sky.
Speaker 1: This unsettling realization kept me thinking about a conversation I'd
Speaker 1: had with family friend and aviation expert Bill Bowerley.
Speaker 9: Truthfully, yes, I still think it's it's government. Maybe they're
Speaker 9: training for future kinds of threats. This is how we
Speaker 9: find that threat. The technology is there. So if they're training,
Speaker 9: if this is a training squadron and they come out
Speaker 9: here to train, then okay, what are you training for?
Speaker 9: That some kind of threat we're trying to stop, maybe
Speaker 9: backpacked nuke from coming into the country. Well it got
Speaker 9: into the country, maybe a dirty bomb, maybe this how
Speaker 9: do we find it. Let's just go put five hours
Speaker 9: of fuel on this airplane and just go see where
Speaker 9: they land. It may be in the middle of a
Speaker 9: isolated pasture somewhere with just a couple of trucks. It
Speaker 9: could very well be on a fenced off remote former
Speaker 9: ICBM silo that the military still has, because there's a
Speaker 9: lot of those that don't have anything in them now.
Speaker 9: So if the military was launching them, or somebody utilizing
Speaker 9: military facilities, there's a good way to hide yourself.
Speaker 1: It was apparent that I needed to find out if
Speaker 1: there was any connection between nuclear missile sites in the
Speaker 1: unidentified aircraft coming up on obscure invasion of the drones?
Speaker 1: Do you know how many people used to live in here?
Speaker 3: Like at one time four seven.
Speaker 6: From Cheyenne Zeffie Warren.
Speaker 3: When the Air Force was asked, they said, oh, we
Speaker 3: don't know nothing.
Speaker 6: Okay, with all the missile sites, they would have known it.
Speaker 10: A couple of them broke off, had stopped over the
Speaker 10: police station, and our local FAA said, and we don't
Speaker 10: know anything about that. We don't show any scheduled flights.
Speaker 10: We don't show anything on a radar, We don't show
Speaker 10: anything in the air.
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