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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I Am Devin,
Speaker 1: joined as always by Joe and Steve, and today we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about another mystery. It's a disappearance. I
Speaker 1: guess I've been on a disappearance kick lately, like for
Speaker 1: the last year. Is this like foreshadow and you're about
Speaker 1: to disappear yourself? Possible? We are going to talk about
Speaker 1: the appearance of Anna Waters, which happened a long time ago.
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. This was suggested by
Speaker 1: Morgan listener, probably lots of other people too, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. Anna disappeared on January sixteenth, nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1: She was five years old at the time. Anna's family
Speaker 1: history is kind of important to the story. So I
Speaker 1: guess we're going to start there a little bit. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of a big chunk of the understanding it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the theories and what all of the thoughts on it is.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense. Yeah, So that's kind of where
Speaker 1: we're going to start. So it's aid they're very relevant
Speaker 1: to the story or depending maybe not relevant at all. Yeah, possible, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we think it probably is. Yeah, a mystery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Anna's mother Michaela Benedict. Is that how you pronounce her name?
Speaker 1: Because it confuses me every time I look at it.
Speaker 1: So I looked up a lot of different pronunciations of this.
Speaker 1: A lot of them are Resilion and they're like michael
Speaker 1: A La, and I'm I don't think it could be Michelle,
Speaker 1: but I think it's Michaela. Okay, because I was really
Speaker 1: confused every time I read enough, wait, crude. So we'll
Speaker 1: go with that. Yeah, We're just gonna pick and go.
Speaker 1: She met Anna's dad, George Waters, in college. George was
Speaker 1: trying to he was studying to become a doctor, and
Speaker 1: shortly after they were married, they moved to the San
Speaker 1: Francisco area so that he could complete his residency. Also
Speaker 1: part of this family was Michaela's two sons from a
Speaker 1: previous maybe marriage, maybe just relationship. I don't really know, uh,
Speaker 1: the story behind that. I know they were both born
Speaker 1: in Greece. I don't think I don't think she was
Speaker 1: married to the man, so I think that George was
Speaker 1: her first husband. That okay, So that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that I was going to ask about, because I
Speaker 1: read somewhere that George was her second husband and that
Speaker 1: she was married when she met him. It's boss well, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. I mean i'd never found
Speaker 1: any clear and frankly, I didn't really look too far
Speaker 1: into that because I don't think it actually pertains to
Speaker 1: the story too terribly. You're probably right in probably I
Speaker 1: just easily confused, and so I was. Unless the previous
Speaker 1: husband was all embittered about you know, maybe I don't
Speaker 1: think so. He was also in Greece, so somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they together had an a in eighteen sixty seven, which
Speaker 1: was actually the same year that a man named George
Speaker 1: Brody maybe came into their lives. I'm and I'm unclear
Speaker 1: how George and George met. However, they became pretty instant friends. George, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's what I've been calling them? And did George did
Speaker 1: George Brody ever come by the house and meet MICHAELA.
Speaker 1: I believe, yes, it was a weird relationship. And we'll
Speaker 1: dive a little bit more intil I've heard about the relationship.
Speaker 1: But also for the sake of Claire Party, I'm going
Speaker 1: to call George Waters George and George Brodie Brodie. You
Speaker 1: don't want to say George the other George. It's gonna
Speaker 1: get really confusing into this. This is like that book
Speaker 1: that I read about a monkey when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Was so confusing with the George all the time. Got
Speaker 1: a coworker name whose name is also Joe, so he's
Speaker 1: other Joe except for the instances when I am other.
Speaker 1: I want to just totally get above that and just
Speaker 1: go with the last name in the first name. So
Speaker 1: Brody was much older than George. Nobody really knows how
Speaker 1: by how much. For certain from photos I've seen of them,
Speaker 1: I would guess that Brody was at least twenty years
Speaker 1: older than George. Would you guys agree with that? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was definitely a generation between them. I was sick of.
Speaker 1: It was actually a bigger gap. I think it probably
Speaker 1: was to like about being generous too, I mean, to
Speaker 1: both of them. I guess, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's nothing being friends with somebody's different ages in you.
Speaker 1: There's not on the face of it. Their friendship was
Speaker 1: really weird. You you'll see it as described as a
Speaker 1: cult of personality often, but basically Brody just became the
Speaker 1: number one most important thing to George and his life.
Speaker 1: Brody was super controlling and George was letting him influence
Speaker 1: every single facet of his life. This was the This
Speaker 1: was the seventies, though, and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: that going on. People were looking for Gus, Yes, there was.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where I'm going is that there was a
Speaker 1: lot of people who said, there's this other thing, and
Speaker 1: these people are going to tell me how to do it,
Speaker 1: and I will just do what they say. That's why
Speaker 1: the cult phenomena was so big in the seventies as well.
Speaker 1: You know, after the after the Manson murders, a lot
Speaker 1: of actually famous celebrity types are furiously backpeddling away from
Speaker 1: their relationship with Charlie Manson. A lot of glamorous Hollywood
Speaker 1: types were really into Charlie. Yeah, but he wasn't the
Speaker 1: only GurGur. There was a whole It was kind of
Speaker 1: a social norm. Yeah. The trick with this one, though,
Speaker 1: is that Brody only had this kind of relationship with George.
Speaker 1: He it wasn't like he had a big following or anything.
Speaker 1: He just had this one person. So it's a little Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little different, although George at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, fairness, he was having some metal issues and
Speaker 1: so that might have you know, contributed something through this
Speaker 1: weird relationship and we'll talk about that. Yeah. Shortly after
Speaker 1: Anna was born, MICHAELA and George divorced, and the number
Speaker 1: one reason you'll see cited for that was actually his
Speaker 1: relationship with Brody. But they divorced, and then Brody and
Speaker 1: George moved in together into like a really shady part
Speaker 1: of San Francisco, de Yeah, and into the kind of
Speaker 1: I think it was a pay by the month hotel
Speaker 1: room even and it didn't it didn't even have a
Speaker 1: bathroom in It was shared a bathroom down the hall.
Speaker 1: And this is interesting to know because George was a working,
Speaker 1: high paid physician at the time, and so he could
Speaker 1: have easily afforded something better than that. It was probably
Speaker 1: supporting stuff, you know, he was and I don't know
Speaker 1: that he was necessarily a high paid physician, but he
Speaker 1: was a well paid physician. I think that by saying
Speaker 1: he's high paid, you infer that he's got a level
Speaker 1: of wealth, and he probably actually did because he was
Speaker 1: working part time at two jobs. The reason that I
Speaker 1: say he was highly paid. Was because Michaela's book talks
Speaker 1: about him being very well compensated. I never got that
Speaker 1: impression from the stuff I read. But at the very
Speaker 1: least he could have afforded a nicer place for them
Speaker 1: to live. He was also totally financially supporting Brodie, but again,
Speaker 1: they could have afforded a nicer place than this, for sure. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll just leave at that. Michaela later met a man
Speaker 1: named Joseph Ford in nineteen seventy one and they got
Speaker 1: married three yeah or two, it doesn't really matter. I
Speaker 1: would have also divorced you. Frankly, yeah, definitely. Joseph was,
Speaker 1: by all reports of loving committed father to all of
Speaker 1: Michaela's children. The family lived in half Moon Bay in California,
Speaker 1: which is on the coast of California, just south of
Speaker 1: San Francisco. I've been there town. It's actually I've heard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you go like started San Mateo on the Bay
Speaker 1: and just go basically due west across the peninsula, you
Speaker 1: wanted up at half Moon Bay. Yeah, I've heard, it's
Speaker 1: really nice. Okay, So backstory done, yeah, yeah, back story done.
Speaker 1: On January six, Anna had been attending pre K that morning.
Speaker 1: I don't know if everywhere this is true, but in America,
Speaker 1: I believe most places you do half day pre k
Speaker 1: pre kindergarten. Those who don't know what pre K is,
Speaker 1: pre K was a little pre me. We didn't have
Speaker 1: pre K when I was a kid. Yeah, people had
Speaker 1: daycare for a while, and it is a scholastic program.
Speaker 1: Usually it was at a at the school that her others,
Speaker 1: her older brothers were attending. Yeah. The funny The funny
Speaker 1: thing is that is during the seventies, in the eighties,
Speaker 1: I believe school districts ran pre K programs, and then
Speaker 1: of course as funding began to dry up, that was
Speaker 1: shifted to other programs, sort of like Headstart was one.
Speaker 1: And now I don't know anybody that has a kid
Speaker 1: in pregy. I'm sure that they're putting their kid in
Speaker 1: some kind of pre kidergarten program, but I don't actually
Speaker 1: know how those are operating anymore, just because the funding
Speaker 1: in this country, by state, even it's just city, even
Speaker 1: it's just so I was, I mean, I was in
Speaker 1: pre K when it was around still run through Portland
Speaker 1: Public when I was in school here, So it was
Speaker 1: a couple of moons ago ken yesterday anyway. Anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: so on a road the bus home, I've seen it
Speaker 1: reported as at noon, but I've also seen it reported
Speaker 1: that she got home at one, And I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: that it was an hour long bus ride from her
Speaker 1: pre kindergarten class to her home, so I'm not really
Speaker 1: sure it was mid day. They kind of lived in
Speaker 1: the sticks up that little road, but it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: taken an hour. You can't put a four year old
Speaker 1: on a bus for an hour. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: stuck behind a school of us? I could see it
Speaker 1: taking an hour easily. Anyway. I'm sure I grew up
Speaker 1: in the boonies, you can, yeah, alright, fine enough. I've
Speaker 1: seen reporting that some family friends dropped by for a
Speaker 1: visit earlier that I don't know. It was the seventies.
Speaker 1: I guess likely adult family friends. So all the friends
Speaker 1: chatted with her mother and stepfather. Anna went to her room,
Speaker 1: changed her clothes, and if you really care to see
Speaker 1: what she was wearing, you can go find a description
Speaker 1: of it. And she went outside to play. It was
Speaker 1: a rainy day, but not so unpleasant that a child
Speaker 1: couldn't enjoy themselves. Around one thirty on A returned inside
Speaker 1: to hang up her coat, which I guess was too warm,
Speaker 1: or maybe it had stopped raining, or I don't really
Speaker 1: know why. If you've ever warned a raincoat when it's
Speaker 1: even slightly warm outside, I could see why she wouldn't know,
Speaker 1: especially those old grubbery ones. Oh yeah, you get his
Speaker 1: wet wearing the things did you do without them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Then she well, she went right back outside after she
Speaker 1: returned her coat inside, and then at about to her
Speaker 1: mom said that she had heard on a singing to
Speaker 1: the cats outside about for that campaign. At two fifteen,
Speaker 1: she said she didn't hear on out there anymore. But
Speaker 1: they did have a family dog that was prone to
Speaker 1: barking at any kind of intrusion of anybody who it
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. It was a younger dog.
Speaker 1: It was more of a puppy dog. Oh, excitedly barking
Speaker 1: instead of warning barking, I think either, but definitely reacting
Speaker 1: to any presence other than the ones that it was
Speaker 1: used to. And the reason that I mentioned that is
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a family dog that had been left
Speaker 1: over from her marriage to George. Did not know George right, theoretically,
Speaker 1: I mean theoretically, so since you didn't hear the dog barking,
Speaker 1: she just didn't really think anything of her not being
Speaker 1: able to hear on a singing anymore. So. At t twenty,
Speaker 1: Michaela went to call on A to come inside, but
Speaker 1: didn't see her in the backyard anymore. So at that point,
Speaker 1: Joseph and Michaela started to search for Anna, but at
Speaker 1: about two five they still hadn't found any sign of her,
Speaker 1: and they just called the cops. Which is that point
Speaker 1: terrible because I mean a lot of parents know this
Speaker 1: is that you your kid disappears, you know, from your
Speaker 1: view and from earshot, and you start freaking out and
Speaker 1: yelling just to find the kid looking at you like what,
Speaker 1: I followed a bug? It's okay, Like that's what people
Speaker 1: just expect to be the case. So I can imagine
Speaker 1: how they'd be like, oh, god, she followed a cat
Speaker 1: again or something. Yeah, and five minutes later you're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: maybe she didn't. Yeah, so yeah, well looking but you know,
Speaker 1: and by the way, this is a kind of a
Speaker 1: rural area. It's nice also, it's a it's a nice
Speaker 1: quiet area that not a lot of people who were unfamiliar,
Speaker 1: who didn't just live in the area, drove through or
Speaker 1: we're in at all. And also, by the way, no
Speaker 1: scary critters living there. I mean, there's no like bears
Speaker 1: or mountain lions, not really as far as we know.
Speaker 1: One of the first things that the police did was
Speaker 1: to ring the tsunami siren, which you know, in other
Speaker 1: places is called a tornado siren or a bomb drill
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, a siren that's meant to notify people.
Speaker 1: I So I read this as well, and I'd also
Speaker 1: read that the cop who showed up rang the siren
Speaker 1: on his car. Okay, Now that makes more sense to
Speaker 1: me because I would think that ringing the local that's
Speaker 1: kind of a big step to freak the entire community,
Speaker 1: like it just that seems above and beyond. Have you
Speaker 1: lived in a place where those sirens are used frequently?
Speaker 1: I've been place the Okay, So there are a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a very big difference between sounding the tsunami
Speaker 1: warning like one time, you know, as a local, having
Speaker 1: lived in a place where they do that, what actual
Speaker 1: warning sirens sounds like because they just turn it on
Speaker 1: and it goes forever versus versus just you know, having
Speaker 1: a go down and then people would just be like
Speaker 1: what I mean whatever, Um, yeah, I agree, it is
Speaker 1: totally possible that actually what you know it actually happened.
Speaker 1: Was it just seemed an extreme step, That's all I'm getting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was a smaller community, so a five
Speaker 1: year old wandering away, they just kind of I think
Speaker 1: they really did think she had just wandered away and
Speaker 1: if they could just raise a sirens, she would come back.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to think about the irony though, that
Speaker 1: if they actually blasted this tsunami alert and everything, and
Speaker 1: like they'll delect for this little to save this a
Speaker 1: little five year old girl, and time like two or
Speaker 1: three other five year old kids get like trampled by
Speaker 1: all the people evacuating. This is why you don't just
Speaker 1: randomly layer those horns were off topic already total, that's
Speaker 1: okay anyway, Uh, if you haven't already guessed, whatever siren
Speaker 1: was sounded did not bring on a running so they
Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned this yet, but there was a what's
Speaker 1: referred to as a creek that was running along the
Speaker 1: back edge of their property. I don't know it was
Speaker 1: it sounds like it was a really strong creek at
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, but they all that they decided that
Speaker 1: that seemed like a thing that was really dangerous, and
Speaker 1: they decided to converge their search on the creek. Well,
Speaker 1: if this is January, you know that's the middle of winter.
Speaker 1: I grew up next to a teeny tiny little creek
Speaker 1: that in January was torrent So I can I mean
Speaker 1: and what I know, in a summertime creek was something
Speaker 1: that I could take three big steps and cross. In
Speaker 1: the wintertime, I would never even dare to go near it.
Speaker 1: So I can see why they would say if it's
Speaker 1: that kind of scenario, I can see why they would
Speaker 1: immediately like, oh, yeah, that's that's a problem. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was in a flooding stage at that time, and Michaela
Speaker 1: has said time and time again that she always felt
Speaker 1: like that creek was a danger to her family. But
Speaker 1: you know, it was a nice house. I A lot
Speaker 1: of people want to have would love to have a
Speaker 1: creek running through their property. I think it was kind
Speaker 1: of a love hate relationship with that creek for her,
Speaker 1: where she thought, I really like having it running through
Speaker 1: my property, but also I have a five year old
Speaker 1: and when it floods, she could easily fallen and drowned.
Speaker 1: And that seems to be exactly what they thought had
Speaker 1: actually happened to an unsable totally understandable. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: They actually thought it was so strong that her bought
Speaker 1: she could have drowned and washed away, not just drowned.
Speaker 1: It was only like two or three miles to the
Speaker 1: ocean and washed down the property. Yeah, exactly. Although it
Speaker 1: kind of snakes around a little bit, goes under highway
Speaker 1: once through a culvert, not a bridge, so she would
Speaker 1: have probably gotten a hung up somewhere, right, And that
Speaker 1: was the hope. They actually did send divers down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also by the way it dumps out onto a beach,
Speaker 1: it doesn't just you know, flow out of a cliff
Speaker 1: into the aggression rights. Yeah, her body would likely have
Speaker 1: been found had this happened, But I think so again,
Speaker 1: that's a little more theories. Like I said, divers were
Speaker 1: sent down, so it was that's how deep it was
Speaker 1: that you'd have diverse code down into this creek. They
Speaker 1: were hanging under ropes, yeah, I would guess, But they
Speaker 1: didn't find anything, which was kind of a bumber. They
Speaker 1: and actually I've seen it, said that this was one
Speaker 1: of the most extensive searches that's ever happened in California Coast,
Speaker 1: or something like that. Some neighbors came forward a couple
Speaker 1: of days later and said that they had actually seen
Speaker 1: a white paneled truck with two men, one much younger
Speaker 1: than the other, drive along and normally very otherwise very
Speaker 1: quiet road. Yeah, that nobody ever really drove on except
Speaker 1: for locals. Yeah, if you look at it on the
Speaker 1: on the area, it's just it's not. It's not a
Speaker 1: throwaway from one place to another. It goes up and
Speaker 1: it sort of dead ends into another snaky little road
Speaker 1: that snakes off in a different direction. It's not a
Speaker 1: short cut between any two places at all. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's also not it's not the kind of place you
Speaker 1: just kind of get lost going. I also, I have
Speaker 1: a problem with this. You know, it was a couple
Speaker 1: of days later. They didn't really know exactly what time
Speaker 1: they saw this truck, you know, if it was indeed
Speaker 1: that afternoon, if it was much later that afternoon, if
Speaker 1: it was earlier that morning, if it was even early
Speaker 1: on that day, maybe not even the same day, were
Speaker 1: they sure it was the same day. I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah. And then the other part of that
Speaker 1: was they always say two men, one was much older
Speaker 1: than the other. But I've never ever seen somebody say
Speaker 1: like one of them was twenty and the other was sixty.
Speaker 1: It's always just been like, and we know how freaking
Speaker 1: subjective that is me today sitting in a truck next
Speaker 1: to me about two months ago with the full on beard.
Speaker 1: There one of the massive age difference in appearance, and
Speaker 1: you could literally have one guy with a beard and
Speaker 1: one guy without and they're the same age, and you'd
Speaker 1: have no idea, especially in a moving vehicle. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: these kind of details, that's uh, you know, people are grasping.
Speaker 1: But it looks to me like this is a classic
Speaker 1: plumber apprentice situation. It was Mario and Luigia. They're the
Speaker 1: same age. Well I guess they're not. They're brothers. They're
Speaker 1: close to the the same age. Yeah, but that that mustache
Speaker 1: makes Mario looks so much older than Luigi. And it
Speaker 1: turns out they also had different different fathers, so that helps. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's more to this story, but I kind of want
Speaker 1: to dig into that as we dig into theory. Reason
Speaker 1: is that okay with you guys, So I guess we'll
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Speaker 1: We're back. So theory number one is a creek, highly unlikely,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'll have it on here anyway. I guess,
Speaker 1: like I said, the divers found nothing. There has been
Speaker 1: official journalistic reporting that says that, yes, this is what
Speaker 1: happened to her. Realistically, there is no evidence for against this. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's I mean theory. I mean, if there
Speaker 1: had been enough flow and she that she had something,
Speaker 1: it would have been a fluke. But conceivable. Well, she
Speaker 1: gets all the way down to the to the ocean
Speaker 1: without hanging up on something, which would be flucky. But
Speaker 1: I guess it's conceivable. I don't think it's as flukey
Speaker 1: as you do. Because she's a five year old girl.
Speaker 1: She's a little It's not me with my my arms
Speaker 1: and legs flailing around as I'm tumbling through water. I
Speaker 1: am more likely to snag on something than someone that
Speaker 1: is a quarter of my size because they're much there's
Speaker 1: much smaller dangly bits, so I could see her bouncing
Speaker 1: off stuff. It also depends on what she's wearing. So
Speaker 1: if she was you know, she was in that rain
Speaker 1: jacket that we've talked about that maybe she was wearing
Speaker 1: it was super hot. Those things are kind of have
Speaker 1: big seams and straps and stuff, so that would hang up.
Speaker 1: Whereas if she was just in say a T shirt, well,
Speaker 1: that leaves less stuff to snag on things. I this is,
Speaker 1: I mean, barring all of the cookiness down the line
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about, Like, I kind of
Speaker 1: think that this might be what happened, because well fits
Speaker 1: flood stages. Two miles is not a very long time.
Speaker 1: The trick with this one for me is that there
Speaker 1: is just as much evidence that this happened as any
Speaker 1: of our other theory. But here's the thing about about
Speaker 1: about water in flood stage it's just picking up lots
Speaker 1: of crap and flushing it all down stream, and it
Speaker 1: winds up building up in all kinds of places and
Speaker 1: what we call strainers, and these are these are just big, huge,
Speaker 1: like piles of brush and branches and god knows what
Speaker 1: that the water flows to and end. Then you get
Speaker 1: pushed up against it, but the pressure won't let you
Speaker 1: move and you drown or to have exposure. And so
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just unlikely that she would have avoided all.
Speaker 1: But it's only two miles. I mean, what you're talking
Speaker 1: about is things that happened of the course of miles
Speaker 1: and miles, those pockets and those whirls and those eddies.
Speaker 1: It is. But if it's but again, I think that
Speaker 1: it at flood stage there's less of that those pockets
Speaker 1: for her to get caught in. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: This is the one that I think has got to
Speaker 1: be the most likely based on everything else that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about, just from what I've seen happen
Speaker 1: to things in water before. It's hard to like hard
Speaker 1: drives that are neutraly buoyant. Well, she was wearing rain boots.
Speaker 1: I guess one word as that I guess I would
Speaker 1: just assume that those yeah, that something would. It's just
Speaker 1: it's really a shame that they didn't actually just right
Speaker 1: after they started searching the creek, that they didn't send
Speaker 1: somebody down to the beach just you know, waight there
Speaker 1: immediately see what comes, see what comes popping out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, it's a shame. But that's where
Speaker 1: we're at. The next theory is the theory m calling
Speaker 1: the mysterious couple. I've known a lot of those, like
Speaker 1: how do these two get together? Because it's just so weird,
Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you and
Speaker 1: your wife, Yeah a little bit. Yeah, it was not
Speaker 1: so strange anyway. The mysterious couple comes from Anna's oldest brother. Okay, Nanda, Yeah, Nanda.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I've seen it reported that
Speaker 1: he is was is nine years older than her. But
Speaker 1: I've seen it reported that it was either of the
Speaker 1: brothers that remembered this. But thirty years after her disappearance,
Speaker 1: one of her older brothers recalled that a month or
Speaker 1: so prior to Anna's disappearance, the three he had repressed it.
Speaker 1: Apparently the kids had been walking together and a car
Speaker 1: pulled up driven by a man and a woman was
Speaker 1: in the passenger seat. He described the car as a
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties model Chevrolet I Paula, because we're not supposed
Speaker 1: to say Chevy anymore. It's Chevy. You can't say Chevy.
Speaker 1: It's Chevy America. When did that rule come out? A
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Chevy was like, we don't want
Speaker 1: to be Chevy, we want to be Chevrolet. That's because
Speaker 1: they were trying to distance themselves from Chevy Chase. Yeah, Ok,
Speaker 1: the town the actor, because have you seen fletch Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually it was not very good. There you go. This
Speaker 1: is why they wanted to distance themselves. It took them
Speaker 1: so anyway, it was a Chevrolet and Paula with Washington
Speaker 1: license plates, not California, which, by the way, that's like
Speaker 1: a thousand miles north. Yeah, this is a lot of
Speaker 1: detail to remember thirty years later. The woman had long,
Speaker 1: dark hair and wore a loose fitting white shirt with
Speaker 1: embroidery on it. Anna's brother could not describe the man.
Speaker 1: Apparently she tried to coax on A. The woman tried
Speaker 1: to coax on A into the car, and Anna refused,
Speaker 1: and so they just drove away and I've seen in
Speaker 1: different recollections, different details about him saying how he felt
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. I does it feel convenient that
Speaker 1: it's a thirty year later revelation to anybody? Um, it
Speaker 1: just it's it smacks strange for me, and as I
Speaker 1: understand that people do remember things, suddenly I've done it.
Speaker 1: But it's well, first of all, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: memory is unreliable. You don't know that he actually had
Speaker 1: this memory. He dreamed it after all this time, or
Speaker 1: watching the documentary about the Stranger Danger and yeah, or
Speaker 1: he dredged up an old memory and his mind his
Speaker 1: memory kind of embroidered it. But it's certainly I don't
Speaker 1: even know why he bothered to mention it, because it
Speaker 1: certainly is useless at this point in time. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I guess that is a it's a theory that
Speaker 1: they could be involved somehow in her disappearance, like they
Speaker 1: were the ones that could probably to abduct her or
Speaker 1: any other you know, cute little girl. They're on a
Speaker 1: scouting mission. They spotted Anna and thought, hey, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a little girl scavenger hunt. So they came by the
Speaker 1: next month and try it again. Yeah, it seems unlikely,
Speaker 1: but again just as much evidence for this as any
Speaker 1: of her other theories. That there have been theories that
Speaker 1: Anna is the Sandra Guario State Beach remains, or the
Speaker 1: Donia Anna County Jane Doe, the Allegheny County Jane Doe
Speaker 1: nineteen five, or the Newport News City Jane Doe. She
Speaker 1: knew none of those. The hell out of those corpses,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that, and they just weren't
Speaker 1: They didn't match. One of them, the beach remains was
Speaker 1: actually a boy, and the other Jane does were too
Speaker 1: old or something. That's and that's I feel really bad
Speaker 1: for Anna's mother because every time a Jane know is linked,
Speaker 1: not when they're found, but when they're somebody links into
Speaker 1: this case, I can only imagine that it just opens
Speaker 1: the whole bag open again and you got to go
Speaker 1: through everything all over again to find out, oh no,
Speaker 1: not it. And I don't know if the police actually
Speaker 1: do that out. That's just like Reddit web these are
Speaker 1: old enough that I have a feeling that this a
Speaker 1: lot of this or some of this has got to
Speaker 1: be pret heavy internet slew thing. I think some of
Speaker 1: it might be like news reporters and what's his name,
Speaker 1: the friend that was playing p I. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: guys like him, who oh hey, I found out about
Speaker 1: this one. Let's check it out. Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he did it, but people who were trying to be helpful. Well,
Speaker 1: the state beach remains that one was the police. They
Speaker 1: really did think they thought those remains were her because
Speaker 1: it was a small and that was a jaw bone
Speaker 1: and part of a skull. Yeah, it was pretty close
Speaker 1: Moon Bay, but all the other ones, I think they're
Speaker 1: so far away that you know there's news. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm talking like East Coast right. Well, there's there is
Speaker 1: this draw for people, I think to constantly. We see
Speaker 1: this all the time with disappeared missing people, where people
Speaker 1: then go through Jane and John Doe cases and say, oh,
Speaker 1: this person kind of matches the description only except for
Speaker 1: they were three ft shorter and had blue hair instead
Speaker 1: of our blue eyes instead of brown eyes. But you know,
Speaker 1: they died twenty years later and this person would have
Speaker 1: been that age, so there, you know, and there's just
Speaker 1: there's like a grasping at straws for a little bit.
Speaker 1: There's just unfortunately for all the missing kids are out there,
Speaker 1: that just had enough, Jane does and John does to
Speaker 1: go around. Yeah that's true, or there are too many.
Speaker 1: Probably it's probably actually more accurate. Anyway. Our next and
Speaker 1: final theory, the George squared is that like square dancing
Speaker 1: or is that like the math problem? Because I remember
Speaker 1: in high school algebra slash calculus slash trigonomics free slash slashology,
Speaker 1: there was the George squared problem. So this is that
Speaker 1: the last theory. You don't have a theory about the
Speaker 1: cats murdering or because she was annoying them what they're
Speaker 1: singing or no, if listen, if anybody's cats were going
Speaker 1: to kill them because of annoying singing, you'd be in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my cats love my singing. No, they talked to you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've written us scathing letters about your singing a little backstabbers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not going to get their extra snacks. Not stabbers anyway. Sorry,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead, and okay, let's basically the theory. I
Speaker 1: call it George squared. It's that George, her father, her
Speaker 1: biological father, and his weird George George Brody had something
Speaker 1: to do with her dispearance. And you may be wondering why,
Speaker 1: other than you know, just a divorce, why we would
Speaker 1: say that George might kidnap his own daughter. Not unusual, Actually,
Speaker 1: it's not unheard of. It's actually pretty frequently happens, I think.
Speaker 1: But it actually has a lot more to do with
Speaker 1: Brodie and his relationship with Anna than it has to
Speaker 1: do with George and his relationship with Anna, which is
Speaker 1: that And I don't know how many times Brodie actually
Speaker 1: met on I don't either. It seemed to be kind
Speaker 1: of obsessed with was, so he had to have met
Speaker 1: her at least once, apparently, or at least see a picture. Ever, yeah,
Speaker 1: it may have even just been a picture for all
Speaker 1: you know. As as we mentioned a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: George would call Brodie several times a day to check in,
Speaker 1: like he was prettyisi he was pretty much incapable of
Speaker 1: making a decision without Brodie's input, And I believe I
Speaker 1: have read reports that it came down to even like
Speaker 1: what was George going to eat for lunch? Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll wait until we get to that part of the
Speaker 1: story because some of that information I question fair enough.
Speaker 1: As also mentioned, George financially supported Brodie honestly for me
Speaker 1: when I first started reading this story, and for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, I think there's a bit of a question.
Speaker 1: There was a bit of a question of whether Brodie
Speaker 1: was even real or not. And the reason for that
Speaker 1: is because George was diagnosed schizophrenic and that was affecting
Speaker 1: his behavior a lot, and I think some people just thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe Brodie is just a made up guy personality, just
Speaker 1: some sort of you know, part of his mental illness.
Speaker 1: And and obviously I think we need to say it now,
Speaker 1: is that George was not receiving, as far as I
Speaker 1: can tell, any medical treatment to help him with that condition.
Speaker 1: He wasn't, which puts him into that position of as
Speaker 1: we've talked about before, he becomes prey and just as
Speaker 1: likely to be hurt or more likely to be hurt
Speaker 1: than anybody else by his illness. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: likely that actually Brodie was taking advantage of his illness.
Speaker 1: But I'll just you know, put that out there, that
Speaker 1: there was a question Brodie was real. He was a
Speaker 1: real human photo photos of him, But the relationship there
Speaker 1: even like really does seem even like it. Brodie could
Speaker 1: have just as easily been some sort of manifestation of
Speaker 1: George's mental illness. This is kind of a what was
Speaker 1: that movie Edward uh Norton was in Fight Club? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fight Club? That that kind of scenari imagine Brad Pitt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not to say that that's how schizophrenia manifests itself. Um,
Speaker 1: but George was diagnosed shortly after Anna's birth with schizophrenia.
Speaker 1: That's kind of sad. But the Jordan Brodie did he
Speaker 1: have any like medical expertise, said all or anything like that. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He wasn't a doctor or anything. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he didn't have any like psychiatric education or very little
Speaker 1: is known about Brodyum, but as far as I know,
Speaker 1: he didn't have any experience in anything. He was he
Speaker 1: was kind of a freeloader. Yeah, that sounds like there
Speaker 1: are plenty. But so I assume he's dead by now.
Speaker 1: Does anybody know We'll talk about that in a second. Actually,
Speaker 1: I just want to get through what we're what we
Speaker 1: were talking about a second ago. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if George was diagnosed with schizophrenia before or after
Speaker 1: the divorce. I know he was. He was diagnosed because
Speaker 1: he was behaving erratically and in a manner that was
Speaker 1: not normal for him, and he actually reportedly displayed a
Speaker 1: lot of behaviors that did demonstrate him to uh sometimes
Speaker 1: not always, but sometimes be a danger to himself and others.
Speaker 1: But his family didn't want to have him committed to
Speaker 1: an institution because they wanted him to be able to
Speaker 1: retain his physicians license. Which which family members? Do you know?
Speaker 1: I first I thought it was the wife, But then
Speaker 1: I'm like, now, because like, that doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 1: Or is it his? I have no idea, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I have no idea. I because she
Speaker 1: was getting child support from him when when he was gone.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but I all, but I also don't
Speaker 1: think after the divorce, she would have had no authority
Speaker 1: with which to make medical decisions for him, So it
Speaker 1: would have had to have been whoever his next of
Speaker 1: kin would have been. Is my understanding of how those
Speaker 1: things work. I've I've been really lucky to not ever
Speaker 1: have to deal with such a hard, tough question. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. But at the same time, the idea
Speaker 1: of like, I couldn't imagine somebody with a good conscious
Speaker 1: letting him continue to practice medicine knowing that he is
Speaker 1: not experiencing reality as reality always is, and he was
Speaker 1: and he was still practicing medicine. Should be clear about
Speaker 1: that for everybody who's listening. Not only did he retain
Speaker 1: his doctor's license, he was a practicing position through this
Speaker 1: entire thing. Yeah, like I said earlier, like when they
Speaker 1: moved to the Tenderling, he was working two jobs at
Speaker 1: two different places. Like who who thinks that's Maybe he
Speaker 1: didn't have a very bad without treatment. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: under his maybe he actually was getting medicated. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't really know, I I but like I said, there
Speaker 1: have been reports that he was kind of a danger
Speaker 1: sometimes not always put sometimes, so that's something. Although again
Speaker 1: sometimes in custody battles to charges like that get made.
Speaker 1: So maybe he wasn't a danger or I don't think
Speaker 1: there was a custody battle. I don't think anybody thought
Speaker 1: that Anna should ever go live with him. I don't
Speaker 1: even think I think George just walked away. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure. I mean, despite Brodie's weird obsession that we
Speaker 1: are just about to talk about, I don't I have
Speaker 1: never once read anything about a custody battle. It's been
Speaker 1: my understanding the entire time that MICHAELA was just automatic
Speaker 1: was always going to have custody of Anna. That's my
Speaker 1: understanding of it. That's good, saves a lot on lawyer fees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, So I guess we should talk about Brody's
Speaker 1: obsession with Anna because we've been talking around. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: been dancing around this. He was very odd obsession with Anna,
Speaker 1: and as mentioned, I don't actually know if he ever
Speaker 1: met her or just saw pictures of her or what,
Speaker 1: but he said that he thought she was the reincarnation
Speaker 1: of a woman that he used to live with. I've
Speaker 1: seen most places I see it say it was a
Speaker 1: woman that he had a long term relationship with. You,
Speaker 1: So I would presume some kind of partner relationship. And
Speaker 1: she definitely born, yes, because she died two months before
Speaker 1: Anna was born. Because that's how that stuff works with
Speaker 1: the eternal wheel, is there a so there's a waiting
Speaker 1: period then you know, just immediately get repatriated into a
Speaker 1: new bod. You gotta wait two months out there in
Speaker 1: the ether for you know, it's not don't you asked
Speaker 1: me that? Because yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Basically,
Speaker 1: Brodie had George asked Michaela to legally change Ana's name
Speaker 1: to if however you pronounce it's not a real thing.
Speaker 1: It's not a real name, so it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 1: has zero meaning whatsoever. The reason that he that Brodie
Speaker 1: wanted on his name to be changed to that is
Speaker 1: because it would mean that her name would nu numeral
Speaker 1: numerals when you can't even say it's not human neurologically.
Speaker 1: Maybe um add up to his name. And I should
Speaker 1: also mention here that George Brody is probably a fake name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't actually, as far as we don't have a
Speaker 1: social Security number, we don't have crap. We don't know
Speaker 1: any thing about him. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about this actually, to be honest, half of that
Speaker 1: it did happen, you know, Yeah, I don't. Do you
Speaker 1: change the name of your kids when my weird friend
Speaker 1: wants you to change that the kid's middle name, you know,
Speaker 1: would first name on the first I was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: I thought that he wanted it to be her middle name. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I I saw every word that it was that I
Speaker 1: was looking at, and I've also seen it said that
Speaker 1: she did change the middle name to ef. I fear
Speaker 1: how I have no say or maybe or maybe she
Speaker 1: just told George, yeah, I took care of that. I
Speaker 1: changed it. Well, and that would be the smartest way
Speaker 1: if if you know that he is easily riled up
Speaker 1: and unstable, and the easy answer is just say I
Speaker 1: took care of it that you know how the county
Speaker 1: is the papers in the male little show when he's
Speaker 1: just just tell him, Brody, it's fine, it's in the pipeline,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Yeah. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: that kind of seems enabling behavior, like you're enabling Brodie
Speaker 1: or you're even enabling your ex husband and father of
Speaker 1: your child to enable Brodie to continue this weird obsession
Speaker 1: with your five year old daughter. Well, listen, this was
Speaker 1: this was not the only cuckoo stuff that was going on,
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm sure read the stuff about George was
Speaker 1: going around to all of her friends his his wise
Speaker 1: friends are now ex wise friends, saying that she had
Speaker 1: been unfaithful with to him and I believe it was
Speaker 1: with Brodie and trying to get them to launch a
Speaker 1: campaign to get her to write letters of apology to
Speaker 1: him for doing so. I mean, like it's obvious that
Speaker 1: this guy was always coming at her with some random
Speaker 1: off the wall demands slash request just from the little
Speaker 1: the few stories that I picked up. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: kind of a mess. It's so sad. Illness, you know,
Speaker 1: all the way around, can really be really everybody. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody gets everybody. As Joe was asking about earlier, though,
Speaker 1: Brody died of throat cancer in ninete. We think so.
Speaker 1: George was actually the one who signed Brodie's death certificate.
Speaker 1: So he was still a licensed physician then he was.
Speaker 1: He was practicing the whole time. Yeah, what was it
Speaker 1: was he writing prescriptions for medical marijuana or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe. So it was in California, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the death certificate was totally empty other than the date
Speaker 1: of death. Didn't have a cause of death. Isn't that
Speaker 1: kind of required? It was throat cancer and it was
Speaker 1: the date of death, and even that is in question.
Speaker 1: There's no birthdate, no social security number, no important information,
Speaker 1: no identifying anything, no identifying anything. And after Brody passed away,
Speaker 1: George burned everything, like not the hotel obviously, but like
Speaker 1: all of the paperwork just didn't happen to be in
Speaker 1: his apartment. He was in a safety deposit box that
Speaker 1: he had no access to. Yeah. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: all of Brody's personal effects, everything of all of George,
Speaker 1: all of George's paper, everything pertaining to Anna that was
Speaker 1: in the hotel room. All of it just burned. Anybody
Speaker 1: know what happened to Brodie's body, buried, cremated? I have
Speaker 1: no idea. What's another mystery for us Attackle's body. I
Speaker 1: think it was officially disposed of, ye in a normal
Speaker 1: okay way? Yeah, Steve, I think you mentioned earlier Doug French,
Speaker 1: I mean I gave you his name. Yeah, Doug French
Speaker 1: was not an actual private investigator, but he was a
Speaker 1: friend of that family revolved. That's we were all private
Speaker 1: investigators in a way. That's true. He wasn't a licensed
Speaker 1: private investigator, because that is the thing. And he did
Speaker 1: a steak out of the he he followed George around
Speaker 1: a lot. He was he and the family, I guess,
Speaker 1: really felt that George and Brodie were probably involved in
Speaker 1: on his disappearance. So he did a steak out of
Speaker 1: the shady hotel that George and Brodie shared, and he
Speaker 1: he said he got a hotel room next to theirs,
Speaker 1: but it was actually crop the alley. No, he started
Speaker 1: staking out nowhere and he just watching them, just trying
Speaker 1: to follow them around. And then he got a hotel room,
Speaker 1: but it was my understanding that it was still across
Speaker 1: an alley, like a small alley. First. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. He was just following them around. He lived
Speaker 1: in a van across the street from their their hotel,
Speaker 1: living in a van in the tenderlow. And what a
Speaker 1: joy that would be. Yeah, with garbage fair taped in
Speaker 1: the windows, so you know, that thing was nice and
Speaker 1: cool all day long. And then he moved into the
Speaker 1: apartment across the alley from Yeah, and but it's you know, crappy.
Speaker 1: It's like film noir crappy hotel rooms where you can
Speaker 1: hear everything from across the alley. Maybe everything, maybe not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after many days of getting no useful information, basically just
Speaker 1: hearing phone conversations from oh this is once he got
Speaker 1: once he got the room right in the store to theirs,
Speaker 1: I thought it was still across the way. But either way,
Speaker 1: because his initial stuff said that he could. They kept
Speaker 1: the blinds down except for say, like the last two
Speaker 1: or three inches and whatever that equates two millimeters. You
Speaker 1: can figure it out, and so he could see a
Speaker 1: little bit through the windows, but that's all he could
Speaker 1: see was a little bit of their comings and goings.
Speaker 1: And then he managed to get a room in the
Speaker 1: same apartment or the same building, in the same floor,
Speaker 1: and then somehow finagled his way into the apartment right
Speaker 1: next door, and that's where a lot of his surveillance,
Speaker 1: usually standing information comes from. Okay, well, but he never
Speaker 1: actually took the initiative and just went and broken into
Speaker 1: their apartment. So, uh, he did something slightly different. Yeah, Basically,
Speaker 1: he was getting no good information. He was just hearing
Speaker 1: Brodie answer the phone and say, well, maybe you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have tuna for lunch or whatever. Weird decisions stuff was happening,
Speaker 1: and so finally he decided to bait them, and he
Speaker 1: sent a letter to George at George's place of work
Speaker 1: at one of the hospitals he worked at that basically
Speaker 1: said if you, uh, if you know anything about Hona's disappearance,
Speaker 1: I beg of you, please come find me, meet meet
Speaker 1: with me and tell me what you know. Asking for
Speaker 1: anything outside yeah, outside of Brodie's control. And so he
Speaker 1: signed a letter his own name and everything, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: gave him his phone number, and he gave him a
Speaker 1: phone number and I don't know the phone number that
Speaker 1: he was had access to. And George didn't respond to
Speaker 1: that to Doug, but he went home and told Brodie
Speaker 1: about it, and Brodie George mumbled, I'm glad that Todd
Speaker 1: is dead or something like that. Now, remember this is
Speaker 1: all with the old school method of listening to the
Speaker 1: wall to the wall, ear to the wall, or the
Speaker 1: the empty glass to wall. And he apparently recorded a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of their conversations. And I remember reading I
Speaker 1: think it's him that had the blog post, and it's
Speaker 1: really long, and it's really strangely written and kind of meandering.
Speaker 1: But he talks about having the relevant bits transcribed. Yet
Speaker 1: I've not. I've not been able to find the relevant
Speaker 1: bits haven't either. And actually, there's one weird thing about
Speaker 1: this story that I just want to bring up really quickly.
Speaker 1: There was a Wikipedia page. How does that down? It's
Speaker 1: been removed so you can see it. Well, we often
Speaker 1: don't post links to Wikipedia pages, but we will post
Speaker 1: this link because you have to go through the web
Speaker 1: archive to get it. But I don't understand why it
Speaker 1: was removed it's weird. I don't usually have like documentation
Speaker 1: of things like that. Yeah, I just wasn't able to
Speaker 1: find any of that, So I don't really know. There's
Speaker 1: just like a lot of weird stuff that happens around
Speaker 1: this case. But I agree, I wasn't able to find
Speaker 1: any of the transcribed relevant bits or anything like that.
Speaker 1: One thing I will say is that it's it's reported
Speaker 1: that George never reached out to michaela about honest disappearance.
Speaker 1: The only thing he ever said to anybody he was
Speaker 1: he called his lawyer to see if he could stop
Speaker 1: paying child support payments because Anna had disappeared. That was
Speaker 1: his only reaction to his five year old going missing.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like he didn't really have a relationship
Speaker 1: with her, right It doesn't seem like he got visit
Speaker 1: days and blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: but if he is also as deeply I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be gentle about this, If he is as far into
Speaker 1: it in his mental illness as we all kind of
Speaker 1: believe he probably was, then she wasn't part of his reality.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of understandable that the only time he
Speaker 1: thinks about it is the once a month when he
Speaker 1: has to write a check and that's all she is take.
Speaker 1: It could also be I mean, if he truly believed,
Speaker 1: as he was going around saying people that his wife
Speaker 1: was unfaithful to him. If he truly believed that, he
Speaker 1: might have very well thought Anna was not even his daughter.
Speaker 1: And so no, it would have been Brodie's daughter. And
Speaker 1: that's somehow even weirder. It is weirder. And but yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but uh, and you know, that's the thing
Speaker 1: I really don't get. If he truly believed that Brody
Speaker 1: had a thing with his wife, why is he living
Speaker 1: with this guy? Wouldn't why murder the guy is not
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do. I don't. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about his behavior, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it probably does have come down to the
Speaker 1: mental illness that he was suffering. But the bigger question
Speaker 1: I have with this theory is they weren't hiding anyone
Speaker 1: in their hotel room. Nope, Brody didn't abscond with Anna.
Speaker 1: It would have been like kidnap and send her away.
Speaker 1: But they didn't go on trips to visit anyone. So like,
Speaker 1: what was the motive behind, but there was there was
Speaker 1: a significant portion of time that elapsed between when she
Speaker 1: disappeared and when this friend did his quote unquote steak
Speaker 1: out of George Squared, plenty of time to get rid
Speaker 1: of the body or I mean, I get the feeling
Speaker 1: it was at least six months or a year later.
Speaker 1: So if indeed they had taken her, then there was
Speaker 1: tons of time for her to have been lost in
Speaker 1: the streets of the tenderloin if anything else, you know,
Speaker 1: because they obviously we're paying attention to her. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just there's tons of times for anything to have
Speaker 1: happened to that kid, if indeed they were the young
Speaker 1: man and the old man or older man in the
Speaker 1: panel van. Yeah, it's well, again, it's really tricky because
Speaker 1: there's there's no actual evidence for this right there. We
Speaker 1: can all agree that there were some weird things going
Speaker 1: on at that time just with the relationship and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, but there's no actual evidence that they had
Speaker 1: anything to do with it. And then again, I just
Speaker 1: don't I don't see them. I don't see the motive.
Speaker 1: I just don't. Well, I can see one motive, which
Speaker 1: is that if he didn't want to pay child support,
Speaker 1: then getting rid of on that thing that they would
Speaker 1: relieve of that problem. I gotta tell you there's an
Speaker 1: easier way to solve that problem, and is that is
Speaker 1: just to not write to check. You can always do that.
Speaker 1: Is there's a lot of dudes who do that everywhere.
Speaker 1: The money which is a total, you know, a total lie.
Speaker 1: But you didn't skip out on it. Yeah, that's good. Boy.
Speaker 1: Did be dead? Leave town and change your name, and
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of ways to get away. Become George Brodie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brodie George. Yeah, Brodie George and George Brodie traveling duo. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think overall, something bad probably happened to Anna,
Speaker 1: but I don't have a good sense of what that was.
Speaker 1: I think that I think there's a hundred percent chance
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I think that. Personally. My belief is
Speaker 1: that she went into the creek and she went into
Speaker 1: the ocean and she was sucked out into the tide
Speaker 1: and maybe her remains were never to be found. We
Speaker 1: know what the ocean does two bodies. There's one more theory.
Speaker 1: She fell into Neverland or Wonderland and she's there being
Speaker 1: very happy, oh with Alice and the rabbit. Well, that's
Speaker 1: cool for her, that's what happened. I hope that's what happened.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll take that. Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not gonna buy. I don't buy the
Speaker 1: creek theory. It's a tiny little creek and it dumps
Speaker 1: right onto the beach. I don't think her body would
Speaker 1: have made it across the beach into the ocean, So
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm buying somebody abducted her for some god
Speaker 1: knows what reason. Yeah, although even that doesn't make any sense, because,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I mean, in a rural area like that,
Speaker 1: where you're going to stick out like a sore thumb,
Speaker 1: there's so many better places to go to find an
Speaker 1: abduct a little kid than that place. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: probably why George. The two Georgis make the most sense
Speaker 1: as suspects. But even though they had and there's no
Speaker 1: evidence of course. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's impossible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes us back to the maybe the creek in
Speaker 1: so bad after all. Yeah, it's just one of those
Speaker 1: really frustrating circular cases. Yeah, so now you guys have
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