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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I Am Devin,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by Joe and Steve, and today we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about another mystery. It's a disappearance. I

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Speaker 1: the appearance of Anna Waters, which happened a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. This was suggested by

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Speaker 1: don't know. Anna disappeared on January sixteenth, nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 1: She was five years old at the time. Anna's family

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Speaker 1: the theories and what all of the thoughts on it is.

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Speaker 1: Anna's mother Michaela Benedict. Is that how you pronounce her name?

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Speaker 1: Because it confuses me every time I look at it.

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Speaker 1: She met Anna's dad, George Waters, in college. George was

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Speaker 1: part of this family was Michaela's two sons from a

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Speaker 1: is just as much evidence that this happened as any

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00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: of our other theory. But here's the thing about about

427
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: about water in flood stage it's just picking up lots

428
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: of crap and flushing it all down stream, and it

429
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: winds up building up in all kinds of places and

430
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: what we call strainers, and these are these are just big, huge,

431
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: like piles of brush and branches and god knows what

432
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: that the water flows to and end. Then you get

433
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: pushed up against it, but the pressure won't let you

434
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: move and you drown or to have exposure. And so

435
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just unlikely that she would have avoided all.

436
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: But it's only two miles. I mean, what you're talking

437
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: about is things that happened of the course of miles

438
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: and miles, those pockets and those whirls and those eddies.

439
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: It is. But if it's but again, I think that

440
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: it at flood stage there's less of that those pockets

441
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: for her to get caught in. But it doesn't matter.

442
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: This is the one that I think has got to

443
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: be the most likely based on everything else that we're

444
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: going to talk about, just from what I've seen happen

445
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: to things in water before. It's hard to like hard

446
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: drives that are neutraly buoyant. Well, she was wearing rain boots.

447
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: I guess one word as that I guess I would

448
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: just assume that those yeah, that something would. It's just

449
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: it's really a shame that they didn't actually just right

450
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: after they started searching the creek, that they didn't send

451
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: somebody down to the beach just you know, waight there

452
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: immediately see what comes, see what comes popping out? Yeah,

453
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, it's a shame. But that's where

454
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: we're at. The next theory is the theory m calling

455
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: the mysterious couple. I've known a lot of those, like

456
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: how do these two get together? Because it's just so weird,

457
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you and

458
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: your wife, Yeah a little bit. Yeah, it was not

459
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: so strange anyway. The mysterious couple comes from Anna's oldest brother. Okay, Nanda, Yeah, Nanda.

460
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I've seen it reported that

461
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: he is was is nine years older than her. But

462
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: I've seen it reported that it was either of the

463
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: brothers that remembered this. But thirty years after her disappearance,

464
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: one of her older brothers recalled that a month or

465
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: so prior to Anna's disappearance, the three he had repressed it.

466
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: Apparently the kids had been walking together and a car

467
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: pulled up driven by a man and a woman was

468
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: in the passenger seat. He described the car as a

469
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties model Chevrolet I Paula, because we're not supposed

470
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: to say Chevy anymore. It's Chevy. You can't say Chevy.

471
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: It's Chevy America. When did that rule come out? A

472
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Chevy was like, we don't want

473
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: to be Chevy, we want to be Chevrolet. That's because

474
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: they were trying to distance themselves from Chevy Chase. Yeah, Ok,

475
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: the town the actor, because have you seen fletch Yeah,

476
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: actually it was not very good. There you go. This

477
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: is why they wanted to distance themselves. It took them

478
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: so anyway, it was a Chevrolet and Paula with Washington

479
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: license plates, not California, which, by the way, that's like

480
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: a thousand miles north. Yeah, this is a lot of

481
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: detail to remember thirty years later. The woman had long,

482
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: dark hair and wore a loose fitting white shirt with

483
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: embroidery on it. Anna's brother could not describe the man.

484
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: Apparently she tried to coax on A. The woman tried

485
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: to coax on A into the car, and Anna refused,

486
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: and so they just drove away and I've seen in

487
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: different recollections, different details about him saying how he felt

488
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. I does it feel convenient that

489
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: it's a thirty year later revelation to anybody? Um, it

490
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: just it's it smacks strange for me, and as I

491
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: understand that people do remember things, suddenly I've done it.

492
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: But it's well, first of all, it's like, you know,

493
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: memory is unreliable. You don't know that he actually had

494
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: this memory. He dreamed it after all this time, or

495
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: watching the documentary about the Stranger Danger and yeah, or

496
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: he dredged up an old memory and his mind his

497
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: memory kind of embroidered it. But it's certainly I don't

498
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: even know why he bothered to mention it, because it

499
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: certainly is useless at this point in time. Correct, Yeah,

500
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: but I guess that is a it's a theory that

501
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: they could be involved somehow in her disappearance, like they

502
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: were the ones that could probably to abduct her or

503
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: any other you know, cute little girl. They're on a

504
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: scouting mission. They spotted Anna and thought, hey, yeah, it's

505
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: a little girl scavenger hunt. So they came by the

506
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: next month and try it again. Yeah, it seems unlikely,

507
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: but again just as much evidence for this as any

508
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: of her other theories. That there have been theories that

509
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: Anna is the Sandra Guario State Beach remains, or the

510
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Donia Anna County Jane Doe, the Allegheny County Jane Doe

511
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: nineteen five, or the Newport News City Jane Doe. She

512
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: knew none of those. The hell out of those corpses,

513
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that, and they just weren't

514
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: They didn't match. One of them, the beach remains was

515
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: actually a boy, and the other Jane does were too

516
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: old or something. That's and that's I feel really bad

517
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: for Anna's mother because every time a Jane know is linked,

518
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: not when they're found, but when they're somebody links into

519
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: this case, I can only imagine that it just opens

520
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: the whole bag open again and you got to go

521
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: through everything all over again to find out, oh no,

522
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: not it. And I don't know if the police actually

523
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: do that out. That's just like Reddit web these are

524
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: old enough that I have a feeling that this a

525
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: lot of this or some of this has got to

526
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: be pret heavy internet slew thing. I think some of

527
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: it might be like news reporters and what's his name,

528
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: the friend that was playing p I. Yeah, you know

529
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: guys like him, who oh hey, I found out about

530
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: this one. Let's check it out. Like I'm not saying

531
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: he did it, but people who were trying to be helpful. Well,

532
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: the state beach remains that one was the police. They

533
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: really did think they thought those remains were her because

534
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: it was a small and that was a jaw bone

535
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: and part of a skull. Yeah, it was pretty close

536
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Moon Bay, but all the other ones, I think they're

537
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: so far away that you know there's news. I mean,

538
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking like East Coast right. Well, there's there is

539
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: this draw for people, I think to constantly. We see

540
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: this all the time with disappeared missing people, where people

541
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: then go through Jane and John Doe cases and say, oh,

542
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: this person kind of matches the description only except for

543
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: they were three ft shorter and had blue hair instead

544
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: of our blue eyes instead of brown eyes. But you know,

545
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: they died twenty years later and this person would have

546
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: been that age, so there, you know, and there's just

547
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: there's like a grasping at straws for a little bit.

548
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: There's just unfortunately for all the missing kids are out there,

549
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: that just had enough, Jane does and John does to

550
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: go around. Yeah that's true, or there are too many.

551
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: Probably it's probably actually more accurate. Anyway. Our next and

552
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: final theory, the George squared is that like square dancing

553
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: or is that like the math problem? Because I remember

554
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: in high school algebra slash calculus slash trigonomics free slash slashology,

555
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: there was the George squared problem. So this is that

556
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: the last theory. You don't have a theory about the

557
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: cats murdering or because she was annoying them what they're

558
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: singing or no, if listen, if anybody's cats were going

559
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: to kill them because of annoying singing, you'd be in trouble. Yeah,

560
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: my cats love my singing. No, they talked to you guys. Yeah,

561
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: they've written us scathing letters about your singing a little backstabbers. Yeah,

562
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: they're not going to get their extra snacks. Not stabbers anyway. Sorry,

563
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: let's go ahead, and okay, let's basically the theory. I

564
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: call it George squared. It's that George, her father, her

565
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: biological father, and his weird George George Brody had something

566
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: to do with her dispearance. And you may be wondering why,

567
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: other than you know, just a divorce, why we would

568
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: say that George might kidnap his own daughter. Not unusual, Actually,

569
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: it's not unheard of. It's actually pretty frequently happens, I think.

570
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: But it actually has a lot more to do with

571
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Brodie and his relationship with Anna than it has to

572
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: do with George and his relationship with Anna, which is

573
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: that And I don't know how many times Brodie actually

574
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: met on I don't either. It seemed to be kind

575
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: of obsessed with was, so he had to have met

576
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: her at least once, apparently, or at least see a picture. Ever, yeah,

577
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: it may have even just been a picture for all

578
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: you know. As as we mentioned a little bit earlier,

579
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: George would call Brodie several times a day to check in,

580
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: like he was prettyisi he was pretty much incapable of

581
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: making a decision without Brodie's input, And I believe I

582
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: have read reports that it came down to even like

583
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: what was George going to eat for lunch? Okay, So yeah,

584
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: I'll wait until we get to that part of the

585
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: story because some of that information I question fair enough.

586
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: As also mentioned, George financially supported Brodie honestly for me

587
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: when I first started reading this story, and for a

588
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: lot of people, I think there's a bit of a question.

589
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: There was a bit of a question of whether Brodie

590
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: was even real or not. And the reason for that

591
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: is because George was diagnosed schizophrenic and that was affecting

592
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: his behavior a lot, and I think some people just thought, well,

593
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: maybe Brodie is just a made up guy personality, just

594
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: some sort of you know, part of his mental illness.

595
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: And and obviously I think we need to say it now,

596
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: is that George was not receiving, as far as I

597
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: can tell, any medical treatment to help him with that condition.

598
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: He wasn't, which puts him into that position of as

599
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: we've talked about before, he becomes prey and just as

600
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: likely to be hurt or more likely to be hurt

601
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: than anybody else by his illness. Yeah, I think it's

602
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: likely that actually Brodie was taking advantage of his illness.

603
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: But I'll just you know, put that out there, that

604
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: there was a question Brodie was real. He was a

605
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: real human photo photos of him, But the relationship there

606
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: even like really does seem even like it. Brodie could

607
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: have just as easily been some sort of manifestation of

608
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: George's mental illness. This is kind of a what was

609
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: that movie Edward uh Norton was in Fight Club? Yeah?

610
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: Fight Club? That that kind of scenari imagine Brad Pitt. Yeah,

611
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: that's not to say that that's how schizophrenia manifests itself. Um,

612
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: but George was diagnosed shortly after Anna's birth with schizophrenia.

613
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: That's kind of sad. But the Jordan Brodie did he

614
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: have any like medical expertise, said all or anything like that. No,

615
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: he didn't. He wasn't a doctor or anything. Yeah, so

616
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: he didn't have any like psychiatric education or very little

617
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: is known about Brodyum, but as far as I know,

618
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: he didn't have any experience in anything. He was he

619
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: was kind of a freeloader. Yeah, that sounds like there

620
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: are plenty. But so I assume he's dead by now.

621
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Does anybody know We'll talk about that in a second. Actually,

622
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: I just want to get through what we're what we

623
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: were talking about a second ago. I don't I don't

624
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: know if George was diagnosed with schizophrenia before or after

625
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: the divorce. I know he was. He was diagnosed because

626
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: he was behaving erratically and in a manner that was

627
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: not normal for him, and he actually reportedly displayed a

628
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: lot of behaviors that did demonstrate him to uh sometimes

629
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: not always, but sometimes be a danger to himself and others.

630
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: But his family didn't want to have him committed to

631
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: an institution because they wanted him to be able to

632
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: retain his physicians license. Which which family members? Do you know?

633
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: I first I thought it was the wife, But then

634
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, now, because like, that doesn't make any sense?

635
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: Or is it his? I have no idea, to be

636
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: honest with you, I have no idea. I because she

637
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: was getting child support from him when when he was gone.

638
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, but I all, but I also don't

639
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: think after the divorce, she would have had no authority

640
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: with which to make medical decisions for him, So it

641
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: would have had to have been whoever his next of

642
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: kin would have been. Is my understanding of how those

643
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: things work. I've I've been really lucky to not ever

644
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: have to deal with such a hard, tough question. But

645
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. But at the same time, the idea

646
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: of like, I couldn't imagine somebody with a good conscious

647
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: letting him continue to practice medicine knowing that he is

648
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: not experiencing reality as reality always is, and he was

649
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: and he was still practicing medicine. Should be clear about

650
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: that for everybody who's listening. Not only did he retain

651
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: his doctor's license, he was a practicing position through this

652
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: entire thing. Yeah, like I said earlier, like when they

653
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: moved to the Tenderling, he was working two jobs at

654
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: two different places. Like who who thinks that's Maybe he

655
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: didn't have a very bad without treatment. Maybe it was

656
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: under his maybe he actually was getting medicated. Yeah, I

657
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: don't really know, I I but like I said, there

658
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: have been reports that he was kind of a danger

659
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: sometimes not always put sometimes, so that's something. Although again

660
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: sometimes in custody battles to charges like that get made.

661
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: So maybe he wasn't a danger or I don't think

662
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: there was a custody battle. I don't think anybody thought

663
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: that Anna should ever go live with him. I don't

664
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: even think I think George just walked away. Yeah, I'm

665
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: pretty sure. I mean, despite Brodie's weird obsession that we

666
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: are just about to talk about, I don't I have

667
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: never once read anything about a custody battle. It's been

668
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: my understanding the entire time that MICHAELA was just automatic

669
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: was always going to have custody of Anna. That's my

670
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: understanding of it. That's good, saves a lot on lawyer fees. Yeah,

671
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: all right, So I guess we should talk about Brody's

672
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: obsession with Anna because we've been talking around. Yeah, we've

673
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: been dancing around this. He was very odd obsession with Anna,

674
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: and as mentioned, I don't actually know if he ever

675
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: met her or just saw pictures of her or what,

676
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: but he said that he thought she was the reincarnation

677
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: of a woman that he used to live with. I've

678
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: seen most places I see it say it was a

679
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: woman that he had a long term relationship with. You,

680
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: So I would presume some kind of partner relationship. And

681
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: she definitely born, yes, because she died two months before

682
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: Anna was born. Because that's how that stuff works with

683
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: the eternal wheel, is there a so there's a waiting

684
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: period then you know, just immediately get repatriated into a

685
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: new bod. You gotta wait two months out there in

686
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: the ether for you know, it's not don't you asked

687
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: me that? Because yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Basically,

688
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: Brodie had George asked Michaela to legally change Ana's name

689
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: to if however you pronounce it's not a real thing.

690
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: It's not a real name, so it doesn't matter. It

691
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: has zero meaning whatsoever. The reason that he that Brodie

692
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: wanted on his name to be changed to that is

693
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: because it would mean that her name would nu numeral

694
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: numerals when you can't even say it's not human neurologically.

695
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: Maybe um add up to his name. And I should

696
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: also mention here that George Brody is probably a fake name. Yeah,

697
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: we don't actually, as far as we don't have a

698
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: social Security number, we don't have crap. We don't know

699
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: any thing about him. I don't know. I don't know

700
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: anything about this actually, to be honest, half of that

701
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: it did happen, you know, Yeah, I don't. Do you

702
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: change the name of your kids when my weird friend

703
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: wants you to change that the kid's middle name, you know,

704
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: would first name on the first I was supposed to be.

705
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: I thought that he wanted it to be her middle name. Yeah. See,

706
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: I I saw every word that it was that I

707
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: was looking at, and I've also seen it said that

708
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: she did change the middle name to ef. I fear

709
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: how I have no say or maybe or maybe she

710
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: just told George, yeah, I took care of that. I

711
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: changed it. Well, and that would be the smartest way

712
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: if if you know that he is easily riled up

713
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: and unstable, and the easy answer is just say I

714
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: took care of it that you know how the county

715
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: is the papers in the male little show when he's

716
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: just just tell him, Brody, it's fine, it's in the pipeline,

717
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Yeah. But on the other hand,

718
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: that kind of seems enabling behavior, like you're enabling Brodie

719
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: or you're even enabling your ex husband and father of

720
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: your child to enable Brodie to continue this weird obsession

721
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: with your five year old daughter. Well, listen, this was

722
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: this was not the only cuckoo stuff that was going on,

723
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm sure read the stuff about George was

724
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: going around to all of her friends his his wise

725
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: friends are now ex wise friends, saying that she had

726
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: been unfaithful with to him and I believe it was

727
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: with Brodie and trying to get them to launch a

728
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: campaign to get her to write letters of apology to

729
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: him for doing so. I mean, like it's obvious that

730
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: this guy was always coming at her with some random

731
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: off the wall demands slash request just from the little

732
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: the few stories that I picked up. Yeah, it was

733
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: kind of a mess. It's so sad. Illness, you know,

734
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: all the way around, can really be really everybody. Yeah, yeah,

735
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: everybody gets everybody. As Joe was asking about earlier, though,

736
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: Brody died of throat cancer in ninete. We think so.

737
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: George was actually the one who signed Brodie's death certificate.

738
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: So he was still a licensed physician then he was.

739
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: He was practicing the whole time. Yeah, what was it

740
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: was he writing prescriptions for medical marijuana or something like that.

741
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't believe. So it was in California, Yeah, and

742
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: the death certificate was totally empty other than the date

743
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: of death. Didn't have a cause of death. Isn't that

744
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: kind of required? It was throat cancer and it was

745
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: the date of death, and even that is in question.

746
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: There's no birthdate, no social security number, no important information,

747
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: no identifying anything, no identifying anything. And after Brody passed away,

748
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: George burned everything, like not the hotel obviously, but like

749
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: all of the paperwork just didn't happen to be in

750
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: his apartment. He was in a safety deposit box that

751
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: he had no access to. Yeah. Yeah, it was like

752
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: all of Brody's personal effects, everything of all of George,

753
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: all of George's paper, everything pertaining to Anna that was

754
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: in the hotel room. All of it just burned. Anybody

755
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: know what happened to Brodie's body, buried, cremated? I have

756
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: no idea. What's another mystery for us Attackle's body. I

757
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: think it was officially disposed of, ye in a normal

758
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: okay way? Yeah, Steve, I think you mentioned earlier Doug French,

759
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean I gave you his name. Yeah, Doug French

760
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: was not an actual private investigator, but he was a

761
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: friend of that family revolved. That's we were all private

762
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: investigators in a way. That's true. He wasn't a licensed

763
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: private investigator, because that is the thing. And he did

764
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: a steak out of the he he followed George around

765
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot. He was he and the family, I guess,

766
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: really felt that George and Brodie were probably involved in

767
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: on his disappearance. So he did a steak out of

768
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: the shady hotel that George and Brodie shared, and he

769
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: he said he got a hotel room next to theirs,

770
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: but it was actually crop the alley. No, he started

771
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: staking out nowhere and he just watching them, just trying

772
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: to follow them around. And then he got a hotel room,

773
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: but it was my understanding that it was still across

774
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: an alley, like a small alley. First. Yeah, that's what

775
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean. He was just following them around. He lived

776
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: in a van across the street from their their hotel,

777
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: living in a van in the tenderlow. And what a

778
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: joy that would be. Yeah, with garbage fair taped in

779
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: the windows, so you know, that thing was nice and

780
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: cool all day long. And then he moved into the

781
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: apartment across the alley from Yeah, and but it's you know, crappy.

782
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: It's like film noir crappy hotel rooms where you can

783
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: hear everything from across the alley. Maybe everything, maybe not. Yeah,

784
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: after many days of getting no useful information, basically just

785
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: hearing phone conversations from oh this is once he got

786
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: once he got the room right in the store to theirs,

787
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: I thought it was still across the way. But either way,

788
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: because his initial stuff said that he could. They kept

789
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: the blinds down except for say, like the last two

790
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: or three inches and whatever that equates two millimeters. You

791
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: can figure it out, and so he could see a

792
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: little bit through the windows, but that's all he could

793
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: see was a little bit of their comings and goings.

794
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: And then he managed to get a room in the

795
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: same apartment or the same building, in the same floor,

796
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: and then somehow finagled his way into the apartment right

797
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: next door, and that's where a lot of his surveillance,

798
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: usually standing information comes from. Okay, well, but he never

799
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: actually took the initiative and just went and broken into

800
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: their apartment. So, uh, he did something slightly different. Yeah, Basically,

801
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: he was getting no good information. He was just hearing

802
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Brodie answer the phone and say, well, maybe you shouldn't

803
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: have tuna for lunch or whatever. Weird decisions stuff was happening,

804
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: and so finally he decided to bait them, and he

805
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: sent a letter to George at George's place of work

806
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: at one of the hospitals he worked at that basically

807
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: said if you, uh, if you know anything about Hona's disappearance,

808
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: I beg of you, please come find me, meet meet

809
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: with me and tell me what you know. Asking for

810
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: anything outside yeah, outside of Brodie's control. And so he

811
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: signed a letter his own name and everything, Yeah, and

812
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: gave him his phone number, and he gave him a

813
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: phone number and I don't know the phone number that

814
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: he was had access to. And George didn't respond to

815
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: that to Doug, but he went home and told Brodie

816
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: about it, and Brodie George mumbled, I'm glad that Todd

817
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: is dead or something like that. Now, remember this is

818
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: all with the old school method of listening to the

819
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: wall to the wall, ear to the wall, or the

820
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: the empty glass to wall. And he apparently recorded a

821
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: whole bunch of their conversations. And I remember reading I

822
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: think it's him that had the blog post, and it's

823
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: really long, and it's really strangely written and kind of meandering.

824
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: But he talks about having the relevant bits transcribed. Yet

825
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: I've not. I've not been able to find the relevant

826
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: bits haven't either. And actually, there's one weird thing about

827
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: this story that I just want to bring up really quickly.

828
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: There was a Wikipedia page. How does that down? It's

829
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: been removed so you can see it. Well, we often

830
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: don't post links to Wikipedia pages, but we will post

831
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: this link because you have to go through the web

832
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: archive to get it. But I don't understand why it

833
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: was removed it's weird. I don't usually have like documentation

834
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: of things like that. Yeah, I just wasn't able to

835
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: find any of that, So I don't really know. There's

836
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: just like a lot of weird stuff that happens around

837
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: this case. But I agree, I wasn't able to find

838
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: any of the transcribed relevant bits or anything like that.

839
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: One thing I will say is that it's it's reported

840
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: that George never reached out to michaela about honest disappearance.

841
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: The only thing he ever said to anybody he was

842
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: he called his lawyer to see if he could stop

843
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: paying child support payments because Anna had disappeared. That was

844
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: his only reaction to his five year old going missing.

845
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: And it sounds like he didn't really have a relationship

846
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: with her, right It doesn't seem like he got visit

847
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: days and blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, So,

848
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: but if he is also as deeply I'm trying to

849
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: be gentle about this, If he is as far into

850
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: it in his mental illness as we all kind of

851
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: believe he probably was, then she wasn't part of his reality.

852
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: So it's kind of understandable that the only time he

853
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: thinks about it is the once a month when he

854
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: has to write a check and that's all she is take.

855
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: It could also be I mean, if he truly believed,

856
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: as he was going around saying people that his wife

857
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: was unfaithful to him. If he truly believed that, he

858
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: might have very well thought Anna was not even his daughter.

859
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: And so no, it would have been Brodie's daughter. And

860
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: that's somehow even weirder. It is weirder. And but yeah,

861
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: I know, but uh, and you know, that's the thing

862
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: I really don't get. If he truly believed that Brody

863
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: had a thing with his wife, why is he living

864
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: with this guy? Wouldn't why murder the guy is not

865
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do. I don't. I have a

866
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: lot of questions about his behavior, and I think a

867
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: lot of it probably does have come down to the

868
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: mental illness that he was suffering. But the bigger question

869
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I have with this theory is they weren't hiding anyone

870
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: in their hotel room. Nope, Brody didn't abscond with Anna.

871
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: It would have been like kidnap and send her away.

872
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: But they didn't go on trips to visit anyone. So like,

873
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: what was the motive behind, but there was there was

874
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: a significant portion of time that elapsed between when she

875
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: disappeared and when this friend did his quote unquote steak

876
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: out of George Squared, plenty of time to get rid

877
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: of the body or I mean, I get the feeling

878
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: it was at least six months or a year later.

879
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: So if indeed they had taken her, then there was

880
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: tons of time for her to have been lost in

881
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: the streets of the tenderloin if anything else, you know,

882
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: because they obviously we're paying attention to her. I mean,

883
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: it's just there's tons of times for anything to have

884
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: happened to that kid, if indeed they were the young

885
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: man and the old man or older man in the

886
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: panel van. Yeah, it's well, again, it's really tricky because

887
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: there's there's no actual evidence for this right there. We

888
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: can all agree that there were some weird things going

889
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: on at that time just with the relationship and blah

890
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: blah blah, but there's no actual evidence that they had

891
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: anything to do with it. And then again, I just

892
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: don't I don't see them. I don't see the motive.

893
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 1: I just don't. Well, I can see one motive, which

894
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: is that if he didn't want to pay child support,

895
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: then getting rid of on that thing that they would

896
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: relieve of that problem. I gotta tell you there's an

897
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: easier way to solve that problem, and is that is

898
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: just to not write to check. You can always do that.

899
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: Is there's a lot of dudes who do that everywhere.

900
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: The money which is a total, you know, a total lie.

901
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: But you didn't skip out on it. Yeah, that's good. Boy.

902
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: Did be dead? Leave town and change your name, and

903
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of ways to get away. Become George Brodie. Yeah,

904
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: Brodie George. Yeah, Brodie George and George Brodie traveling duo. Yeah.

905
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think overall, something bad probably happened to Anna,

906
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: but I don't have a good sense of what that was.

907
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: I think that I think there's a hundred percent chance

908
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I think that. Personally. My belief is

909
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: that she went into the creek and she went into

910
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: the ocean and she was sucked out into the tide

911
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: and maybe her remains were never to be found. We

912
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: know what the ocean does two bodies. There's one more theory.

913
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: She fell into Neverland or Wonderland and she's there being

914
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: very happy, oh with Alice and the rabbit. Well, that's

915
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: cool for her, that's what happened. I hope that's what happened.

916
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll take that. Yeah, I don't,

917
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not gonna buy. I don't buy the

918
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: creek theory. It's a tiny little creek and it dumps

919
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: right onto the beach. I don't think her body would

920
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: have made it across the beach into the ocean, So

921
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm buying somebody abducted her for some god

922
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: knows what reason. Yeah, although even that doesn't make any sense, because,

923
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, I mean, in a rural area like that,

924
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: where you're going to stick out like a sore thumb,

925
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: there's so many better places to go to find an

926
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: abduct a little kid than that place. Yeah, which is

927
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: probably why George. The two Georgis make the most sense

928
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: as suspects. But even though they had and there's no

929
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,360
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930
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,360
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931
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932
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