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Speaker 1: Hey, every well, welcome back to beat Your Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jell and I'm Serena, and we are here today

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Speaker 1: with our guests from Grant season. Carolina, Welcome to Batler

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys. How are you good? How are you

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Speaker 2: all as well?

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Speaker 3: All as well?

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Speaker 2: Where you were? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Now that the season's finally officially done.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, where should we?

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Speaker 1: Let's start because you haven't been on our podcast, so

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Speaker 1: we haven't had a chance to talk to you during

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Speaker 1: the season. Let's start from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how did you get on the show?

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Speaker 4: I got on the show because I saw it's funny,

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Speaker 4: because my friend my best friends always wanted me to

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Speaker 4: go on the show. We've always watched the show and

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Speaker 4: they're all married and I'm the one that's not. But

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Speaker 4: I always figured like applying would be such a hassle

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Speaker 4: and nothing would get.

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Speaker 2: Red, Like it just seems like this long form. And

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Speaker 2: I saw this.

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Speaker 4: Like a sponsored ad on Instagram and it was a

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Speaker 4: casting person saying like, oh, let me know if you

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Speaker 4: want to, So I just DMed him, did not expect

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Speaker 4: anything from it, and it just moved super quickly.

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Speaker 3: Wow, where do.

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Speaker 1: You Where do you live? Okay, so you go, you

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Speaker 1: go on, you go on the show, you cast it.

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Speaker 1: What are your initial thoughts? Are you excited, nervous, hesitant

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Speaker 1: at all?

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Speaker 2: So I was excited.

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Speaker 4: I felt like, you know, it felt like a right fit.

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Speaker 2: It felt like Grant would be a good match with me.

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Speaker 4: I knew that he had lived, he had played basketball

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Speaker 4: in Puerto Rico and the d R, so I knew

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Speaker 4: that he had that in him. And I watched one

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Speaker 4: of his interviews on the File Files and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: he seems really emotionally intelligent. Like if I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you guys can tell, but I'm a very anxious person.

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Speaker 2: And it felt like I felt at ease. Sorry, I

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Speaker 2: kind of yapped a little bit there.

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Speaker 1: It's a podcast, yep, yep, all you want. You felt

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Speaker 1: at at ease because you thought Grant, you and Grant

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Speaker 1: would mesh well.

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Speaker 4: I felt that we would mesh well, and I felt

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Speaker 4: that me and production would mesh well.

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Speaker 2: It just felt it just felt like harmonious.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, No, that's a good word for it.

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Speaker 3: So going onto the show, what is your dating history

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Speaker 3: and where are you at kind of in your your

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Speaker 3: dating life, your journey and hearing The Bachelor.

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Speaker 4: So I had only had two serious relationships prior to

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Speaker 4: the show. One of them was like the healthy kind

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Speaker 4: of love when I was younger, and it was like

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Speaker 4: a few years and it didn't work out, but it

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Speaker 4: wasn't anything negative or traumatizing or anything bad.

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Speaker 2: And then my second serious.

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Speaker 4: Relationship was the DJ that I mentioned that everyone seemed

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Speaker 4: to think was hilarious.

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Speaker 2: And that one was pretty bad.

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Speaker 4: But I learned a lot about what I wanted, what

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Speaker 4: I don't want. And sounds super cheesy to say, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have heard this, but

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Speaker 4: I've always heard that typically you have like three loves

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Speaker 4: in your life. You have like the puppy love, the

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Speaker 4: one that gives you the heartbreak and the lessons, and

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Speaker 4: then you find your person. And I just felt really

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Speaker 4: ready for that. Yeah, so that's kind of where I

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Speaker 1: Okay, nice, And then what are your initial thoughts stepping

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Speaker 1: out of the limo and seeing Grant in person for

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Speaker 1: the first time.

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Speaker 2: So everyone had asked me, like, are you nervous?

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Speaker 4: I was like, no, I got this in the bag,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm gonna be confident, it's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 2: No, I got so nervous.

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Speaker 4: I knew that my little bit was going to be

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Speaker 4: like in Spanish, but I didn't think it all the

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Speaker 4: like laughing at me because he didn't get it. But

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Speaker 4: I think he wanted to be respectful so he was

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Speaker 4: like but I could tell that the joke wasn't landing,

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Speaker 4: hate for your boy home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was awkward, but we made it through.

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Speaker 3: It didn't Watching it watching it as an audience member

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Speaker 3: I felt like viewing it were like in on the

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Speaker 3: joke with you, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I also like said the same thing twice.

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Speaker 4: Maybe with the subtitles you can't tell.

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Speaker 2: But wait, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, my dogs are deciding to not behave right

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Speaker 4: now one sec.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: This is not the first puppy interruption we have had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I used to podcast with her dog

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Speaker 1: interrupted us every time. Okay, okay, our grant was physically

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Speaker 1: is he your type?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Well I okay, I don't really have a type because

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Speaker 4: you if you if you look at my dating history,

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Speaker 4: like everyone looks super different, but I thought it was

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. Okay, that's gonna start.

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Speaker 3: And then walk us through your first conversation with him

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Speaker 3: night one.

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Speaker 2: It was really sweet.

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Speaker 4: Uh I Also I still felt awkward though.

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Speaker 2: You're not used to dating someone on camera, so.

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Speaker 4: You have like these like bright lights on you, and

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Speaker 4: it's like you feel like you know a little bit

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Speaker 4: you know how you don't know how much you want

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Speaker 4: to share. You don't want to get too deep on

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Speaker 4: night one, and it was never my intention to tear

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Speaker 4: up on night one, but our conversation just started flowing.

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Speaker 4: And you know, my dad had just recently gone through

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Speaker 2: And it was just really sweet.

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Speaker 3: And so you your first conversation, you felt like, well,

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Speaker 3: what went well? It's obviously the most overwhelming is night wine.

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Speaker 3: You know, camera's lights. It's like kind of a jarring experience,

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Speaker 3: and obviously you got but I was in my head. Sorry, no,

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Speaker 2: Was so in my head. I was so in my head.

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Speaker 4: I was like because you see the sweet moments, but

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Speaker 4: there was definitely like a you know where someone's like, so, like, what.

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Speaker 2: Are your hobbies?

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Speaker 4: And you're like, oh, this is not going well. Like

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Speaker 4: when you have to ask that, it's like that you

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Speaker 4: like filler question. You're like, he hates me. I'm going home.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, I was in my head constantly on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's interesting to hear because I feel like

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Speaker 3: watching Night One back it. You know, if we were

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Speaker 3: to name a couple of people that seemed to have

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Speaker 3: like a really good first conversation, it seemed very natural,

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Speaker 3: but you felt like you were like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how that went. Maybe I'm going home tonight.

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Speaker 3: Did you feel confident you're getting a risk?

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, by the way people are saying like,

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Speaker 4: she's so dramatic, she's like shaking. I wasn't shaking of

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Speaker 4: my name wasn't called into like the middle, which is

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Speaker 4: so dramatic of me to already be assuming that I'm

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Speaker 4: just going home, but I was like, it's not me,

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Speaker 4: it's not me, Like it's just not happening.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's jump to I forgot, you know, I

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Speaker 1: forgot exactly the group date, but it was the group

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Speaker 1: that interaction or that moment went with Grant?

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Speaker 4: With Grant, I thought it was great, Like the dancing portion,

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Speaker 4: we were just like talking and laughing the whole time,

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Speaker 4: it was really sweet, and yeah, we just had a

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Speaker 4: in my head about the first night because the first time,

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Speaker 2: Connection right away. So it's kind of like I did.

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Speaker 4: I felt like if I got sent home night one,

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Speaker 4: Like at that point, I was like, Okay, we're really

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Speaker 4: building something and he's seeing like who I really am.

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Speaker 3: So you're starting to feel more secure in the relationship

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just think that, like I was so

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then while he was dancing with you, he

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Speaker 1: was thinking of Rose, let's let's let's talk about now

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Speaker 1: we need to talk about that, because that was probably

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Speaker 1: I would that was like the biggest storyline of the show.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked, can we go?

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Speaker 2: Can't we back to rock real quick?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I want to. I want. I just wanted to be

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Speaker 4: known that the crowd was screaming kiss, Kiss, Kiss, So

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Speaker 4: to me, it really felt like like it's like a performance,

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Speaker 4: And that is why I felt so bad, because I

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Speaker 2: Up until this point.

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Speaker 4: And I just remember even from night one, everyone was

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Speaker 4: felt like it was just like girly pop chat, like

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Speaker 2: And I was insecure because I didn't kiss him.

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Speaker 4: And so I was just like whatever, like we're having fun.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's like I meant it, but it was

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Speaker 4: that it. That's kind of why I felt so bad

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Speaker 4: after the fact, because it was like wait oh, like.

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Speaker 1: Oops, yeah, you kissed him in front of the entire group.

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Speaker 1: But also like, but.

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Speaker 4: When a crowd is chanting kiss kids, like what do

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Speaker 4: you do? No, like stay shy and not do it, like.

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Speaker 3: And it happens every season, Like You're not the first

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Speaker 3: the girls at a group date.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, and I can admit the straddling

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Speaker 4: was a lot, but I will in my defense and

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Speaker 4: I am sorry to everyone. I remember when I was

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Speaker 4: my dresses are tight and like I'm never like I'm

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Speaker 4: like awkwardly, like it felt like this is like I'm

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Speaker 4: wearing pants. This is the one time I could get

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Speaker 4: I didn't mean to hurt anyone, but also we knew

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And to be honest, I don't think like I

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Speaker 4: Leaving that night, I felt awkward, but it didn't feel

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Speaker 2: Drama like I think.

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Speaker 3: They were felt like it was like a tough night,

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Speaker 4: It felt like the girls were saying like, look, we

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Speaker 2: So it was like, your feelings are valid, but it's

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Speaker 2: Up with Grant. I was like, that's a great plan.

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Speaker 4: So it felt kind of like, wait, so you said

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It just felt icky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your hope was that everything could get resolved amongst

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was always the goal for me. Oops.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's now jump to what was the It

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you want to walk us through that conversation?

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Speaker 4: Sure? I was expressing to them because we had all

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Speaker 4: So we were kind of like, how much of this

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Speaker 3: Wait by exact same thing. What are you referring to?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it was because they never even

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Speaker 3: Them, like on their one on one time during night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so finance because they were yeah, so you So.

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Speaker 1: You guys are kind of piecing together in this moment,

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Speaker 4: From my one on one and we were just kind

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Speaker 4: And I mean on my one on one, Grant said.

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Speaker 4: And you have to keep in mind that, like, for

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Speaker 4: And so we didn't have the time to do that.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you're just tell you tell your story. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Rose that told me that granted the exact

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Speaker 4: In Latia, and you know, he he.

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Speaker 4: And I will say she did say should we keep

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Speaker 2: And I was like, no, let's like let's help each other, like.

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Speaker 4: I think she really thought he said that, and it

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to look into it because I told him,

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Speaker 4: I know you're probably frustrated. We can discuss it later

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Speaker 4: it was just miscommunication.

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Speaker 4: I was coming at him from a place of you're

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Speaker 4: I just wish the next time you could like tell

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Speaker 4: knowing that I was really scared that it would lead

444
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 4: to drama.

445
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 2: So I was really disappointed.

446
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,479
Speaker 1: Okay, So but when you left that conversation with Rose,

447
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: what was agreed upon between both of you was it was?

448
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: It was there no understanding. Did you say like, hey,

449
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: I won't repeat this, You won't repeat this?

450
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 4: No? Okay?

451
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 2: So what so so.

452
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 4: We we kind of mad made jokes like oh, we're

453
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 4: going to protect each other, and like Dina and Rose

454
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 4: like giggled and I tried giggling too, but it really

455
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 4: was still sitting with me. It was a pit in

456
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: my stomach feeling. And had I told her that I.

457
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't going to repeat it, I wouldn't.

458
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 4: I would never like my word means everything to me,

459
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 4: and I remember thinking like, I hope she doesn't ask

460
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 4: me to not bring it up, because I don't know

461
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 4: how to move forward without it. And I was like,

462
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 4: I need to sit with it and think about how

463
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 4: I can not betray her but still find the answers

464
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 4: that I need. And I went to bed, trying to

465
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 4: like pretend that everything was fine, but it wasn't. In

466
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 4: the next morning, you can ask anyone like I really

467
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 4: had like a pit.

468
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: In my stomach feeling.

469
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 4: I was like, like I was so anxious, you know,

470
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: I thought I was just gonna go home.

471
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: Because I believed her.

472
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: Looking back on that night specifically, is there anything you

473
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 3: wish you had done differently? And is there anything you

474
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: wish Grant had done differently that you feel like could

475
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 3: have allowed the situation to unfold in a better way.

476
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 4: I wish Grant had stuck to had stuck to his word.

477
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 4: I wish Grant had you know. My frustration with Grant

478
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: is like, don't make promises you can't keep. Like if

479
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 4: he had just told me, hey, I need to address

480
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 4: it with Rose, we could have both gone and addressed

481
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 4: it with her.

482
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I do feel really bad.

483
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 4: I feel really really bad that Rose was dragged into it.

484
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 4: I really tried to protect her. I thought I did

485
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: a good enough job. Like I walked away from that

486
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 4: conversation thinking he doesn't know who it is. When he's

487
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 4: listing names, I'm like, no, what's stop? Because I didn't

488
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: want him to. There's there's a moment when someone says like,

489
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 4: is it this person? You're like, I'm not going to

490
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 4: tell you. It kind of sounds like you are. And

491
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 4: I definitely didn't want to like attribute it to someone

492
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: who wasn't it. But I'm like, no, what's stop right now?

493
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 4: Like I didn't want him to keep going down the list.

494
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 4: And I also didn't realize that there were two people

495
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: that had been on that date who had already left.

496
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 4: So in the moment, I think in my head, I'm

497
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 4: picturing the date and I'm thinking there's still other people

498
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 4: that it could have been. It just felt like he

499
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: doesn't know and he's okay with it, and I'm walking

500
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 4: away with it with the resolution that I needed. And

501
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: I didn't let my friend down, And you know that

502
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 4: was that.

503
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: So I do wish sorry, go ahead.

504
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: Looking back on it now, do you wish you would

505
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: have told Rose like, hey, this is affecting me and

506
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: if I talked to Grant, I may bring it up.

507
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: Do you wish you would have given her that heads up?

508
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: I I wish no. I wish I could have done

509
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 4: a better job of protecting her. I felt like if

510
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 4: I told her that I wanted to bring it up.

511
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 4: She would have asked me not to, and again, I

512
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 4: can't commit to something and then not follow through. So

513
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have been able to tell her I won't

514
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: do it.

515
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: And then do it anyway, you know.

516
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: And I was just I really really wanted to protect

517
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 4: her and I didn't want to stress her out and

518
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 4: have everything it's going to get back to me, Like,

519
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 4: you know, I thought I was gonna be able to

520
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 4: pull it off.

521
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: I really did so world it would have been like,

522
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: bring it to Grant and it ends there, like you

523
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: have your one conversation with Grant and like Rose's name

524
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: never gets brought up, and you guys like air it

525
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 3: out well initially and then it's done.

526
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 4: Initially, I was so confident that what she said was

527
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 4: right that I was gonna like walk up to him

528
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: and be like I'm done, Like I'm not even discussing it,

529
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 4: like I want to leave this show right now.

530
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm over it.

531
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: But then I let it sit with me, and I

532
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 4: was like, I'm I'm thinking it all through, and I'm like,

533
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 4: I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

534
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: And what I'm assuming might have happened is he.

535
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: May have said it in a way to like pacify

536
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 4: the situation from that group day where everyone was upset.

537
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: But what I was letting him know.

538
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 4: Was, if it is me at the end of all

539
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: of this, I don't want to watch it back and

540
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 4: be humiliated. And I said those exact words to him.

541
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 4: If you did say this, even if you didn't mean it,

542
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 4: even if even if now you feel different because now

543
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 4: you're more into me or whatever it is, like, I

544
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: don't want to watch his back and be humiliated. I

545
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 4: want a man that like stands by his word and

546
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: doesn't have to like bring me down to lift someone

547
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 4: else up. But I also thought maybe he didn't mention

548
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 4: my name, Maybe he was just trying to you know,

549
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: so in giving him that benefit of the doubt, that's

550
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: kind of like all I wanted to do, and and

551
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: I hope that that's.

552
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: Not what he had said.

553
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: What do you believe? What do you believe?

554
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: What do you think really happened? Do you think he

555
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: said it or you.

556
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 4: I don't think he mentioned my name from from what

557
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: we saw, okay and that clip. But I do think

558
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 4: that Rose was valid in thinking what she did because

559
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 4: he's saying I'm not gonna lie like I was thinking

560
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: about you, and it kind of sounds like like, oh, like,

561
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 4: I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't too her

562
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: because I was thinking about you.

563
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: I well, I don't know. That's that's very different. Like

564
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: if if Grant said like I was thinking about you

565
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: on the date, that's very different from saying I was

566
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: thinking about you while I was dancing with Carolina, like

567
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: those are.

568
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: But I feel like watching the clip, I can.

569
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: I see both sides should happen.

570
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: I see both sides, and that's what I wanted to believe,

571
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: And I was like, I can see both sides. But

572
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: I also think that Grant is saying weird things to

573
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 4: too many people, and I'm just trying to tell him, like,

574
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 4: you can do things and reassure other people without doing

575
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: too much and being disrespectful.

576
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: And that's what I really wanted to clear the air with.

577
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you had a sense of anxiety

578
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: or paranoia about the way Grant was moving after this

579
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: incident with Rose?

580
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely.

581
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: I it's frustrating because Rose wasn't mad at me that night.

582
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 4: She was mad at him, and she came crying to

583
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 4: me and we talked about it in the room, and

584
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

585
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: She changed her story.

586
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: Later and wasn't mad at you. After No found out

587
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: you said that to Grant, she was fine.

588
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: No, she came to me like, no, she wasn't fine.

589
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: She was crying.

590
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 4: But we went up to her room to talk about it.

591
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry whatever,

592
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 4: and she's like, no, like I don't even know if

593
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: I want to be here. So it was kind of

594
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 4: like both of us like talking about him, and I

595
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: was like, oh damn. And that's already a red flag

596
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: for me too, because it's kind of like if you're

597
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: not treating rosewell and if you're not treating the other

598
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: women well, and like why, Like that's still a red

599
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 4: flag for me, right, Like I want a guy who's

600
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 4: gonna be respectful to everyone. There was just a lot

601
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: going on in my mind that I was just like,

602
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: can I trust this guy?

603
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: And I was crucified for.

604
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: That, So I was gonna say so I was, yeah,

605
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: jumping from Rose because we kind of see that unfold

606
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: and then we see Rose goes home the following week.

607
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 3: Let's move on to your conversation with Juliana. Can you

608
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: just walk us through, you know, Juliana pulls you outside.

609
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: It seems like you are unassuming of like what is

610
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: about to happen, what she's pulling you aside for, and

611
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: we see she wants to a dress. Kind of your

612
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: behavior in the house and how it's affecting the other women.

613
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: Were you surprised by this conversation or did you have

614
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: a sense of like there was turmoil in the house

615
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: surrounding your relationships a little bit.

616
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: I was surprised about the topic of the conversation. I

617
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: was not surprised that Juliana was trying to stow the pod,

618
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: which is why I was like trying to shut it down.

619
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: I was like, you're not gonna catch me fighting another

620
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: woman on TV. Like I was just like this, I'm bored,

621
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: Like I I don't want to be a part of this.

622
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: She said, I believe on your podcast that she lost

623
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: her pool when the Rose situation happened, and she did

624
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: so after the Rose situation. Juliana came at Rose while

625
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: Rose was already crying right after that Rose ceremony, and

626
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: she's like, in front of everyone, she's calling her out

627
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: like she should have like talked to her grant directly.

628
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah, and I had to step in and

629
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: defend Rose and be like, if anything, blame me, but like,

630
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: why are we doing this. Let's not fight with women

631
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: like it's it's gonna be fine, Like let's move on.

632
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: So you know, I never had like a friendship with Juliana,

633
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: so when she told me, I was like, Okay, what's

634
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: this going to be about? And yeah, it just felt

635
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: like it was performative. I feel like at the hotel

636
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: we could have talked about it. We could have had

637
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: a civil conversation the same way that we me and

638
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: Rose did. We didn't want me and Rose didn't feel

639
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 4: like we were trying to create drama for a TV show.

640
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: It felt like we were friends. And with Juliana, I

641
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: was like, you you couldn't I've told her this. I

642
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: was like, you could have addressed this at the hotel.

643
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: You don't have to be doing this like for show.

644
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 4: And the way that she approached it is she comes

645
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: up to me and she's like, I'm just going to

646
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: keep it real because we've been talking shit about you

647
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: and I just want you to know before it airs.

648
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm like, okay, so.

649
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: What is your question? Like I don't even know you're

650
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: not trying to have a conversation with me. You're trying

651
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 4: to I don't know if it's like a cert dominance

652
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: or have like this hero like arc or something that

653
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: you're protecting grant.

654
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: I don't. It just felt like it came out of

655
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: left field, and.

656
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: I and her sayecause I remember that, I remember that

657
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: conversation and being like, what did we just watch? Like

658
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: what was And I just.

659
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: Didn't understand because you also watch it with the interviews,

660
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: so you know what they're saying or they're thinking going

661
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: into it. But like when she's coming at me and

662
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: saying that they're talking about me, I'm like, about what like?

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00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: And then she's like, well, you have like doubts about

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Speaker 4: being here, and I'm like, well, the thing is like

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Speaker 4: and you guys know how this works.

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Speaker 2: In the real world.

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Speaker 4: You don't talk about you don't talk about your relationship

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Speaker 4: with the guy with the same girls that are dating him.

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Speaker 2: But here we have to write.

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Speaker 4: And so I was like, how am I being negative

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Speaker 4: by being neutral by saying I do like him, but

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Speaker 4: I still have questions.

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Speaker 2: I still need to get to know him more.

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Speaker 4: I still like I feel like that's always been a

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Speaker 4: part of the show, like we've always part of the

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Speaker 4: show is struggling with getting to know the guy while

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Speaker 4: he's still spending time.

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Speaker 2: With other women.

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Speaker 4: And and it was like, what do you mean, I'm negative?

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Speaker 4: Like what is I wasn't seeing like where was coming from.

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Speaker 4: So I just didn't understand it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like a lot of the women were

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Speaker 1: under the It was just like Carolina has gotten time

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Speaker 1: with him, and she's not appreciative, and she's complaining and

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to be here or doesn't think this is working. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: none of us have time, have gotten time, right, Like

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Speaker 1: that was kind of.

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Speaker 3: The general argument.

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Speaker 4: Way, Yeah, but I think anything that well, I just

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Speaker 4: think that like just like Grant didn't know who he

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Speaker 4: wanted to be with, and that's fair, Like it seems

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Speaker 4: so like, I don't know, like embarrassing anti like anti

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Speaker 4: feminists to be like I'm going to bow down to

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Speaker 4: this man because he's the bachelor and have no doubts

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Speaker 4: about him because he's the bachelor. So like I at

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Speaker 4: this moment, I remember asking Juliana, I was like, so

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Speaker 4: you mean to tell me that if he proposed to you,

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Speaker 4: you can absolutely say that you will say yes, And

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Speaker 4: she's like yeah, and I'm like, well, then I'm sad

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Speaker 4: for you because you haven't even been on a one

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Speaker 4: on one So how can you know that you want

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Speaker 4: to be with the guy? Like, I don't think you know.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a whole process, and even that whole process

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Speaker 4: is really short. It's a short amount of time to

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Speaker 4: get married, to get engaged to someone.

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Speaker 2: But like, we still had more time to go.

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Speaker 4: So I wasn't saying I hate the guy, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to be here. I was saying I feel like

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Speaker 4: I need more time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, I think this is

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Speaker 1: a good place to stop the interview. Everyone, please stay

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Speaker 1: tuned because we will be doing part two with Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to Better app Yall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and be sure to tune into part two. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for listening. Bye,