WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: Was Atlantis A Real Place? 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.360 Hello there, it's me Josh and for this week's s 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:07.040 Y s K Selex, I've chosen our episode. Was there 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.600 a real Atlantis? And it turns out they're very well 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.200 may have been. At the very least there's a very 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.440 exciting lost city. The archaeologists found that well, it may 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.599 have been the model for the Atlantis legend. I don't 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:21.800 want to ruin anything. I don't want to spoil anything, 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:30.160 So just kick back and enjoy this adventure episode. Welcome 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:39.800 to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.680 and welcome to the podcast on Josh Clark Back in 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.720 the Saddle again with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We share 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.319 a horse, we do. I have a horse side car. 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:54.840 Actually it's a small mule. Yeah, that's attached to your horse. Yeah, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.319 and I have to lean into the corners. It's more 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:04.360 of a hay car then a side car. Back in 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.039 the Saddle, meaning we are back from Texas and back 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.199 in the recording booth for the first time in two weeks. Yeah, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.759 it feels nice, dude, to be back in this smelly, little, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.039 dimly lit room. Yeah, it's strangely at least it's not 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.880 like blood colored, you know. Yeah, man, that'd be weird. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.920 Um so chuck, Yes, I guess we should get started. Huh, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.680 you don't have an intro? Well, I mean I was 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.880 gonna use the intro. Is the intro? Go ahead? Then? 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.839 Have you have you ever heard of a place called Atlantis? 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.039 I have? Are you? Are you read like the Triangle 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:45.360 the vacation getaway? No, we're like Britney Spears stayed for 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.400 free for like a month when they opened and try 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.360 to generate buzz. I'm sure they were packing them in 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.760 after that. I think they have been. I don't know. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:59.000 I can't. I can't discuss the financial a state of Atlantis, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.480 the resort and the hamas. But what I can discuss 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:06.280 is Atlantis, the possibly fictitious place. Yeah, I'm gonna go 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.440 ahead and go on record as fictitious. Are you well? 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.680 After reading this? And by the way, this was awesome, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.400 I had no idea about the secret surprise that's coming. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.280 Which one, well, the the other place, the real place? 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.400 Oh gotcha? Okay? Which I meant to ask you before 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.280 how we pronounced that? But we'll just get to that 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.160 and I'll let you say it first. But yeah, I'm 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.760 gonna say it's fictitious and based on that. Okay, I 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.080 think I kind of go with that too, mainly because 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.639 one of the things about Plato is, uh, he was 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.280 the only person ever mentioned Atlantis. Plenty of people have 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.760 mentioned it after him, but it was based on what 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.119 he said, which kind of makes you think like, okay, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:56.160 is this um, this is an allegory. Probably it's about wickedness. Yeah. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.120 What was his book in to Maus? Yeah, that was 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:03.080 the book where he first mentioned it, and it was 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.320 written in three sixty b C. And Tomaus is one 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.600 of his dialogues, I believe. And Plato has a thing 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.359 where he likes to take real places, real people, real events, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:20.239 and then just kinda use some literary license. He's a philosopher, Okay, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:26.880 yeah he was. He was not a documentarian of real things, right, Um. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:32.240 But along the way somewhere that idea got lost, right right. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.560 So for example, Sodom and Gomorrah. I I would wager 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.040 that a lot of people think that Sodom and Gomorrah 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:45.480 something really happened, and then um it was it was 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.320 taken Eventually it was used as allegory that these people 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.240 were punished by God. Um, but really, you know, something 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.880 really bad happened to him, and somebody decided, Hey, this 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.560 is a great, great chance to use this as a 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.279 life lesson for everyone. So there's a really strong possibility 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.640 that Plato did the same thing because as he describes Atlantis, um, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:11.600 they they had gotten kind of hubristic. I guess it 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.280 does mimic other things in the Bible, that's for sure 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.599 it does. And um, the great god Poseidon, who is 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.880 the god of the sea and of earthquakes, decided that 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.040 he was kind of tired of the people of Atlantis, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.640 which was the seat of a cult that worshiped him. Right, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.400 so he, using the techniques at hand, said he created 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.880 He's he I guess created an earthquake that generated a 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:41.800 tsunami that sunk Atlantis beneath the waves, lost forever. Yeah. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.159 I think the quote from the book was sank into 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.000 the sea in a single day and night of misfortune. Yeah, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.600 that's putting it lightly so. And he placed it too, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.400 didn't he. Actually, Yeah, it's where off Spain, the Pillars 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.839 of Hercules, which is now called the Strait of Gibraltar, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.719 And there's people looking in Spain now right, still think 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:07.360 legitimate bona fide Archaeologists they're fun. Yeah, so um, so Plato, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.240 I guess part of the problem is he's he's saying, like, yes, 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.880 this this was at the Strait of Gibraltar in his 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.400 parlance at the time. He's saying, is that the Straight 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.599 of Gibraltar. The problem is is Atlantis was this magnificent 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:26.719 rings city, um, and it had like fantastic technology and 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.800 architecture and it was just an amazingly advanced place. But 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:36.640 he also says that this has happened nine thousand years ago, right, right, 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.160 so nine thousand years before him. So they're aliens. Well 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.000 that was that is thanks to a guy named Ignacious Donalding. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.279 So this guy, so Plato writes about Atlantis, goes about 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:51.200 his business, right, and apparently nobody back then took it seriously. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.680 And that's like modern man were the first people to say, oh, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.080 maybe there wasn't Atlantis. Yeah, back to the day, everyone's like, nah, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.120 it's just Plato going off again. It was this one guy, 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.799 Ignatious Donnelly can lay it all at his feet, jerk, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.920 because in eighty two he published a book called Atlantis 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:13.720 The Antidiluvian World, and in it he's saying, Okay, the Azores, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.000 the Azores Man. I wish i'd like that one up, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.320 and I think that's right. Um, the islands in the 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.159 middle of the Atlantic, that's actually the highest peaks of 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.720 the highest mountaintops of Atlantis. And wait there's more. Uh, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:31.599 the incredibly advanced civilizations in Egypt and high up in 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:36.040 the Andes of Peru, pre inca. Um, those were colonies 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.920 set forth by Atlantis that survived because they weren't there 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.800 for the sinking of Atlantis. So basically, um, we have 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.920 civilization to thank We have Atlantis to thank for civilization. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.279 The problem is all of this is totally unfounded, but 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:53.240 it just kicked off the um occultization of Atlantis. Yeah. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.040 That it's been placed everywhere from uh, South China, see 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.720 the Caribbean, the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, the Canary Islands, Antarctica, 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.400 supposedly Switzerland. Really Yeah, I didn't chase that one down, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.960 but I saw somewhere that somebody said, Switzerland, let's go 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.640 ahead and say everywhere. Yeah, everywhere, Atlantis is everywhere. There's 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.200 um Edgar Casey, who is known as the Sleeping Prophet 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.760 of Virginia Beach, who's a psychic he Um, he said 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.560 that Atlantis stretched from the Gulf of Mexico to Spain, 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.320 and that the Bermuda Triangle. There are a lot of 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.120 you know, if there is mystery in the Bermuda Triangle, 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.440 it's due to Atlantis. Is energy crystals, I will say, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.640 though he said it would rise off Beminy. And then 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.560 when they discovered the Beminy Road, everyone's like see there, yeah, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.520 and then it's two bad. Cherry's not here because she's like, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.960 I dove the Beminy Road. Yeah. Guest producer Maddie is 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.760 in the house. Hey, Matt, we didn't mention that. Um So, 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.480 once Donnelly comes along and kind of takes up the 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.360 mantle of searching for Atlantis and making it as far 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.600 out as possible, it just becomes more and more of 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:05.520 the dope mean of like fringe dwellers. Right, sure, but 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:10.000 that is not to say that there aren't legitimate archaeologists 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.040 searching for something like Atlantis. That that doesn't mean that 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.840 there isn't something that inspired Plato, right, and we probably 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.880 know what that is. Actually, that's where my money is. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:23.960 And now you're gonna make me say it, even though 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:30.960 I asked you to say it. Hilaki Haliki Hiliki Haliki Haliki, Yeah, okay, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.920 Haliki spelled he like, Yeah, Um, I saw some weird 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.760 pronunciation things that I didn't understand when I looked it up, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.760 so I just figured i'd hear it preview. That was 0:08:40.840 --> 0:09:04.480 Greek to you, it was indeed, um, So yeah, the 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.840 cats out of the bag. As far as I'm concerned, 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:14.240 it is Hiliki. Well. It was a super interesting story though. Um. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.280 This was well documented by lots of people, not not 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.880 like a single source like Plato, single made up source exactly. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.520 And it was a lost Greek city. It suffered a 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:29.679 fate much like Atlantis supposedly did. Yeah. So Hliki was 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:34.480 this um very powerful city in ancient Greece on the 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.719 Gulf Corinthum, very nice in that area. Yeah yeah, I 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.679 imagine have you been No, I want to go. Um. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.120 It was powerful enough to have its own colonies, so 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.520 I mentioned if Atlanta had colonies in like Germany, this 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.840 is very much the case for Hliki. And it was 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.600 the seat of power for a twelve city league called 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.880 the Achaian League, which is kind of like the Confederacy 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.800 in the South, so that you like having a bar 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.160 in a different city that's like your home bar like 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.640 you know they have like it's usually football based. There's 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.440 like a New York Jets bar at Pittsburgh Steelers bar 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.600 in Atlanta. Maybe that the same thing. I thought it 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.480 was more like the capital of like a number of states. Okay, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.640 but I don't think it's the same thing. But I 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.960 like that analogy. I'm just being coy. Um, so the 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.520 the key in league, now, I've just realized that I 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:33.280 missed something. Now that's a joke. Yeah, So the the 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.320 heliki is the city or the center of the key, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.760 and league get controlled like the shipping around there. And 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.360 by the time Plato came about, it was hundreds of 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.280 years old, already very active port they have their own coinage. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.200 Yeah yeah, and it looked very cool too. I looked 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:55.920 up the coins like dolphins and Poseidon and yeah, pitch 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.760 or not pitchforks, what do they call the tridents? Tridents? 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.080 And it was they had Poseidon on the coin because 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.400 this was like the seat of a cult of Poseidon. Yeah, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:11.000 just like Atlantis exactly. And um it was had a 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:16.320 very prominent, well known statue of Poseidon, just like Atlantis. Right, 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.520 that's right. So the similarities are starting to mount top 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.240 they are, and uh, they really mount in a big 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:27.760 way in December of three seventy three BC, when the 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.960 townspeople started noticing, Wait a minute, all these small animals 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.160 are scurring for the hills and that's never a good sign. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.199 Because we did talk about in another podcast how animals 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.600 can sense underground tremmors. I had to have been in 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.560 how earthquakes were. Yeah, I think that's what it was. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.559 And sure enough, earthquake came in the middle of the 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.400 night on the fifth day, and that was followed by 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:55.760 an enormous wave and just like that overnight, just like Atlantis, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.320 it was submerged to the bottom of the sea. Well 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.760 not the bottom but no, and not necessarily the sea either. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.600 As we'll see, this is getting more mysterious. So, um, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.559 so this really happened. This is pretty Uh, it was 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:15.439 a pretty well known event. Um. One of the there, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.120 I guess we should say there were no survivors, like 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.080 people from the surrounding cities got together like um, a 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.040 search party, a rescue party, um that set out at 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.800 dawn just a few hours after this happened, and there 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.520 was well I think they got they walked as far 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.000 as they couldn't were like, oh yeah, well there's now 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.800 like a sea where there used to be this this 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.160 um city gone. There was no one there apparently. The 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.480 only thing visible were the tops of um the trees 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.640 in Poseidon's sacred grove. I would guess all of trees 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.600 yea uh. And there were ten ships and this will 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.400 come up later too from Sparta that were a docked 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.360 there in the port and they were gone as well, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.600 just gone, and that will play an important part here 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:04.439 coming up soon. Yeah. So um, imagine like there's a city, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.200 it's a very powerful, rich city, and you live out 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.120 in the boondocks and you just know something happened there 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.560 as an earthquake, so you go to check on the 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.000 city and then the city's gone and it's just silence, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.719 and there's ten ships that aren't there anymore. Everything is 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.320 just gone. Creepy. What was even creepier though, is you 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.560 could look down into the city underwater and see it 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.640 all there still, yeah, including the statue of Posidon, which 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:32.000 apparently still stood erect and in place right and local 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:36.160 fishermen and ferryman um reported having their nets get caught 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.839 in poseidon statue all the time, which is kind of ironic. Yeah, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.800 but Um, so you could see Hliki for hundreds of years, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.640 which is one of the reasons why it's so well 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.440 documented because there were it was kind of like have 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.280 you heard of than of tourism, dark tourism or death tourism. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.720 So um, it was kind of like an early version 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.360 of a dark tourism site, like come this massive terrea, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.520 Yeah exactly, um, and you could go check it out, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.080 and travelers and writers and scholars did, and they documented 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:14.760 what they saw, um pretty pretty um specifically too, Like 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.800 in Stadia, they said, well, here's the this is where 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.360 the city is now, this is where it was in 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.000 relation to you know this river, that river, so like, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.840 the sources are pretty pretty abundant, and they're pretty specific. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:35.000 Speaking of abundant and rivers and sources, look at you. Uh. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.520 That area was was unique in that it had these 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.320 three rivers that met there, uh, bringing fresh water in. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.080 So you got some good fresh water, you got some 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.720 good seawater with tons of good seafood, you got very 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.640 rich land for crops. We've got irrigation because we've got 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.160 the fresh water. The weather is gorgeous. So it's right 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.600 here on on the lovely seaside, and that's what made 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.080 it and on the ideal spot for people to say, hey, 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.520 maybe we should settle down here. Yeah, let's hang out 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.840 here for a while, get fat on shrimp. Unfortunately, it's 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.680 also a bad spot because there are two fault lines 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.880 that run parallel through the area, and uh, they haven't 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.400 been known to call some major disruption over the years, 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.880 like the earthquake that destroyed Hiliki and generated the tsunami. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.280 So it's it's kind of like this whole place is 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.600 like made to produce a lost city, right yeah, because 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:32.360 there's other places around the world, um, where there's violent 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.440 tectonic activity and its coastal, so that means that it's 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.120 in danger of a tsunamill California not with a tsunami, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:46.920 I don't think. Japan, yeah, um, the Malaysian tsunami two four. Um, Yeah, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.800 there's a lot of places. But to produce a so 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.160 that's that will ruin a coastal city, right yes, But 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.960 for it to become lost, it has to be covered 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:01.160 up somehow, and Hiliki is in a really unique situation 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.440 for this because of those three rivers that form the 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:08.360 Hiliki Delta where Hiliki was situated, right, So you've got 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.160 the earthquake, You've got the tsunami. So you have a 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.080 ruined city now submerged. And then these three rivers bring 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.080 a lot of silt to the area, and so eventually 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.680 Hiliki was covered up over over the centuries. Yeah, you 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.040 put it in the article about how if you bought 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.360 a house or not bought a house, Let's say, built 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.720 a house along the shore in eight ninety, it would 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.920 be a thousand feet inland, which imagine is quite a 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.880 rub for people that build that lovely house right on 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.920 the water, because within a century or so it's gonna 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.120 be a couple of streets back and there's like tin 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.400 jerks in front of you that have built houses exactly. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.640 And it's kind of like what's that game where you 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.720 like leap frog? Oh yeah, I think you can say 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.880 Monopoly where you build bigger houses than the other guy. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.200 Oh yeah, that would have worked too. Um. So you've 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.240 got the tsunamis, you've got the river, You've got the silt, 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:09.240 the silt. You also have UM the delta itself. Because 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.440 of this violent activity, UM is moving up their finding 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.520 over time. It's it's rising. So you have a rising delta, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.800 which is low. It's like right at sea level, but 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.880 it's it's getting bigger and silt is piling it up 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:30.560 and making dry ground even further jut out into the coast. Well, 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.879 what it made was a nice little surprise for archaeologists, 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.080 and I imagine archaeologists just went berserk with this place. Yeah, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.560 they had no idea. They just thought Hliki itself was there. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.800 They knew it was there, and that they suspected it 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.000 would be kind of like a Pompeii, but even more 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:53.639 um they considered it even more vital to archaeology or 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.840 the archaeological record than Pompeii. Even Well, what they found 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.960 though is you know, Josh, but we're gonna spring it 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:05.200 on you now, is six other distinct occupied horizons besides 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.560 six other ones are seven total, six total, six total, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.719 five others besides Hilikia underneath one on top of the 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:17.200 other that had been settled and civilized and wiped out 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.119 and covered up and like just kind of captured in time. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.879 That is crazy, Yeah, which, what what were they? So 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.520 there was one from the Byzantine period, which was pretty long. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.359 I think it ran from two d to the fifteenth 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:34.159 century UM, and then beneath that there is a Roman 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.400 ruin which is from the second to the fourth a d. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.720 And that one even features a Roman road which is 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.280 the road that travelers and writers used to come look 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:49.359 at Hiliki the ruins um and that one also chuck. 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.600 This just blows in my mind. It's so captured in 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:57.000 time that there's a human skeleton a top a like 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:02.280 a cattle skull that like it was knocked on top 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.080 of this beast and killed like by rock and rubble 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.920 and just kept there. So there's skeletons are intertwined now 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.760 and that nuts. So the Roman cities on top of Hiliki, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.800 then beneath h leaky uh, they found even more stuff. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:23.840 They found a settlement from the Bronze Age, and before 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:30.160 that they kept digging and found uh, prehistoric Neolithic period civilization, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.000 possibly as old as twelve thousand years. I wonder if 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.240 there's something beneath that even I don't know. This makes 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.639 me think they should start digging in Los Angeles or 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.800 other like seaside retreats to see what you could find. Well, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.080 there's a whole um. There's this whole idea, especially among 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:52.800 Atlantis hunters, that it's extremely intuitive because of rising sea 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.840 levels that anything that was established around the last Ice 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.399 Age or even at about the end of it, the 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.040 sea levels of ridges and like more than a hundred 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:06.600 feet since then. So any coastal cities now underwater. That's 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.000 like a big big thing that they hunt for an 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.960 hour that archaeologists are kind of starting to try to 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:17.840 get into is um looking for human habitation underwater. Like 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.719 there's this whole area off of Whales, I think Northern Wales, 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:27.600 Northern Ireland, maybe Um or Scotland anyways, called dogger Land 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.760 and it's like just the submerged area that used to 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.360 be above ground and they're they're they're finding like Neolithic 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.159 settlements there and that cool. Well, and you know, the 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.560 earth has changed so much over the course of its 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.840 existence that what's here didn't used to be here, and 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.960 what was there was something else, and so yeah, I 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.480 think it's there's no telling what's down there, but that 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.960 that idea and that the fact that you can find 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:58.800 Neolithic settlements under water supports, ironically the notion that there 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:03.560 could be something like a land that's lost somewhere like Hiliki. Right. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.040 So yeah, so these guys they found this this um 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.919 area and once they found Hilliki. It all started to 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.919 they just it was like jack pot, jackpot, jackpot. But 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:40.480 finding Hiliki itself um proved a little more difficult than 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.880 they thought, especially considering all the documentation they had. Yeah, 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.560 they knew supposedly knew where it was, quote unquote like 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.119 it's not like they were searching for a needle in 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:53.439 a haystack. They were searching for like, uh, like a 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:57.760 pool que in a haystack, you know. Uh. So in 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.280 the late eighties a couple of cornell prest us or 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.639 started looking for it for real z s and uh. 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.000 They had a little bit of misinterpretation um for the 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.960 word for the translation for body of water. And lucky enough, 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.040 they had a Greek woman with them. Well she's one 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.240 of the Cornellia professors. Oh she was. Yeah. Well then 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.400 lucky that she was Greek, Well yeah, because she translates. 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.160 She was like, wait a minute, She's like, it may 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.360 not be in the gulf after all, It maybe inland. 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.840 And they were like, yeah, everybody had been thinking that 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.919 this was the gulf had swallowed him up, swallowed up 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.000 the city, which makes sense, right. It turns out it 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.879 was an inland lagoon that did so. I think it 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.119 was very much akin to the you know, the Noah's 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:42.000 Ark episode. We just did, um, what is it? The 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:45.040 Dead Sea? I think where they think that the Dead 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.840 Sea used to be freshwater right now it's salt water 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:53.080 because that's evidence of the flood happening. And probably what 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:58.520 they think is the Mediterranean overwhelmed the straight I can't 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:03.400 remember what's straight it was, you're searching the reaches. Yeah, anyway, 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:05.359 I think it was much the same way, like the 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:09.520 city used to be around a lagoon, and then the 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.640 lagoon got a lot bigger, thus swallowing the city. Right, 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:14.959 So they looked under land, and all of a sudden 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.000 they had to ditch their scuba gear for shovels, and 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.639 they found the first Roman city, the first ruins. We're like, 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:25.440 wait a minute, twelve feet just twelve feet below the land, 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.280 which doesn't seem like that far at all. No, it's not, 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.760 because the Roman rumors were like four or five ft. Yeah, 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.399 I would think that someone would have accidentally found it 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.239 before that, even you know, well that kicked it off. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.800 There was a German archaeologists who was traveling in the 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.440 area and found a Hliky coin with Poseidon on. It 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.120 was like, Holy cow, this is significant. So I think 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.879 that's kind of how it started. Yeah, so they found 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.720 have found a lot of stuff since then, um buildings, 0:23:55.160 --> 0:24:01.199 industrial buildings, kilns, looms, intersecting streets. Yeah, with buildings along 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.040 these streets like a real city. Yeah. Uh what else? 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:10.120 The coins, of course, UM, jugs, jugs with their original contents, 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.359 and those are from the Bronze Age. They found a 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:17.720 storehouse of like jugs of different sizes and types from 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.080 the Bronze Age. So we're talking like five thousand years old. 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.280 They don't have any idea about these civilizations, but this 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.200 was contemporary to like ancient Troy, which itself was considered 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:34.320 a legendary city until hiring Schleiman found it. Um. So 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:39.879 they just finding this stuff is amazingly awesome because and 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.960 there's more yea, there is supposedly, yes, So they think 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.800 that they found the outskirts of Haliki and that they 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.879 there's a lot more left, and that it's intact. Oh, 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.960 they're not actually at Hliki yet. No, they're in Hiliki, 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:56.760 but they're not in the city center, they don't you. Yeah, 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.240 so they're just out in the outskirts. That's what they think. 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.480 UM and when they were looking for Hiliki out in 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:07.080 the gulf. They found something cool too, didn't they. I 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.080 don't think I know this, you do know it. They 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.600 found a sea wall ancent sea Wolf of the City, 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.400 and they also found what they think are the ten 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.040 Spartan ship. Oh yeah, that's right. I thought you were 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.920 going to say the Statue of Poseidon. That would be like, well, 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.040