1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Hello there, it's me Josh and for this week's s 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Y s K Selex, I've chosen our episode. Was there 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: a real Atlantis? And it turns out they're very well 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: may have been. At the very least there's a very 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: exciting lost city. The archaeologists found that well, it may 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: have been the model for the Atlantis legend. I don't 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: want to ruin anything. I don't want to spoil anything, 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: So just kick back and enjoy this adventure episode. Welcome 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast on Josh Clark Back in 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: the Saddle again with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We share 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: a horse, we do. I have a horse side car. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Actually it's a small mule. Yeah, that's attached to your horse. Yeah, 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: and I have to lean into the corners. It's more 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: of a hay car then a side car. Back in 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: the Saddle, meaning we are back from Texas and back 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: in the recording booth for the first time in two weeks. Yeah, 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: it feels nice, dude, to be back in this smelly, little, 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: dimly lit room. Yeah, it's strangely at least it's not 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: like blood colored, you know. Yeah, man, that'd be weird. 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Um so chuck, Yes, I guess we should get started. Huh, 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: you don't have an intro? Well, I mean I was 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna use the intro. Is the intro? Go ahead? Then? 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: Have you have you ever heard of a place called Atlantis? 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: I have? Are you? Are you read like the Triangle 26 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: the vacation getaway? No, we're like Britney Spears stayed for 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: free for like a month when they opened and try 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: to generate buzz. I'm sure they were packing them in 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: after that. I think they have been. I don't know. 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't discuss the financial a state of Atlantis, 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the resort and the hamas. But what I can discuss 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: is Atlantis, the possibly fictitious place. Yeah, I'm gonna go 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: ahead and go on record as fictitious. Are you well? 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: After reading this? And by the way, this was awesome, 35 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: I had no idea about the secret surprise that's coming. 36 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: Which one, well, the the other place, the real place? 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: Oh gotcha? Okay? Which I meant to ask you before 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: how we pronounced that? But we'll just get to that 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: and I'll let you say it first. But yeah, I'm 40 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: gonna say it's fictitious and based on that. Okay, I 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: think I kind of go with that too, mainly because 42 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: one of the things about Plato is, uh, he was 43 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: the only person ever mentioned Atlantis. Plenty of people have 44 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: mentioned it after him, but it was based on what 45 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 1: he said, which kind of makes you think like, okay, 46 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: is this um, this is an allegory. Probably it's about wickedness. Yeah. 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: What was his book in to Maus? Yeah, that was 48 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: the book where he first mentioned it, and it was 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: written in three sixty b C. And Tomaus is one 50 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: of his dialogues, I believe. And Plato has a thing 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: where he likes to take real places, real people, real events, 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: and then just kinda use some literary license. He's a philosopher, Okay, 53 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: yeah he was. He was not a documentarian of real things, right, Um. 54 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: But along the way somewhere that idea got lost, right right. 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: So for example, Sodom and Gomorrah. I I would wager 56 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: that a lot of people think that Sodom and Gomorrah 57 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: something really happened, and then um it was it was 58 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: taken Eventually it was used as allegory that these people 59 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: were punished by God. Um, but really, you know, something 60 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: really bad happened to him, and somebody decided, Hey, this 61 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: is a great, great chance to use this as a 62 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,279 Speaker 1: life lesson for everyone. So there's a really strong possibility 63 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: that Plato did the same thing because as he describes Atlantis, um, 64 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: they they had gotten kind of hubristic. I guess it 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: does mimic other things in the Bible, that's for sure 66 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: it does. And um, the great god Poseidon, who is 67 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: the god of the sea and of earthquakes, decided that 68 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: he was kind of tired of the people of Atlantis, 69 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: which was the seat of a cult that worshiped him. Right, 70 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: so he, using the techniques at hand, said he created 71 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: He's he I guess created an earthquake that generated a 72 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: tsunami that sunk Atlantis beneath the waves, lost forever. Yeah. 73 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: I think the quote from the book was sank into 74 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: the sea in a single day and night of misfortune. Yeah, 75 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: that's putting it lightly so. And he placed it too, 76 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: didn't he. Actually, Yeah, it's where off Spain, the Pillars 77 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: of Hercules, which is now called the Strait of Gibraltar, 78 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: And there's people looking in Spain now right, still think 79 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: legitimate bona fide Archaeologists they're fun. Yeah, so um, so Plato, 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: I guess part of the problem is he's he's saying, like, yes, 81 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: this this was at the Strait of Gibraltar in his 82 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: parlance at the time. He's saying, is that the Straight 83 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: of Gibraltar. The problem is is Atlantis was this magnificent 84 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: rings city, um, and it had like fantastic technology and 85 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: architecture and it was just an amazingly advanced place. But 86 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: he also says that this has happened nine thousand years ago, right, right, 87 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: so nine thousand years before him. So they're aliens. Well 88 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: that was that is thanks to a guy named Ignacious Donalding. 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: So this guy, so Plato writes about Atlantis, goes about 90 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: his business, right, and apparently nobody back then took it seriously. 91 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: And that's like modern man were the first people to say, oh, 92 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: maybe there wasn't Atlantis. Yeah, back to the day, everyone's like, nah, 93 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: it's just Plato going off again. It was this one guy, 94 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 1: Ignatious Donnelly can lay it all at his feet, jerk, 95 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: because in eighty two he published a book called Atlantis 96 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: The Antidiluvian World, and in it he's saying, Okay, the Azores, 97 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: the Azores Man. I wish i'd like that one up, 98 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's right. Um, the islands in the 99 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: middle of the Atlantic, that's actually the highest peaks of 100 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: the highest mountaintops of Atlantis. And wait there's more. Uh, 101 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: the incredibly advanced civilizations in Egypt and high up in 102 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: the Andes of Peru, pre inca. Um, those were colonies 103 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: set forth by Atlantis that survived because they weren't there 104 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: for the sinking of Atlantis. So basically, um, we have 105 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: civilization to thank We have Atlantis to thank for civilization. 106 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: The problem is all of this is totally unfounded, but 107 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: it just kicked off the um occultization of Atlantis. Yeah. 108 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: That it's been placed everywhere from uh, South China, see 109 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: the Caribbean, the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, the Canary Islands, Antarctica, 110 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: supposedly Switzerland. Really Yeah, I didn't chase that one down, 111 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: but I saw somewhere that somebody said, Switzerland, let's go 112 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: ahead and say everywhere. Yeah, everywhere, Atlantis is everywhere. There's 113 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: um Edgar Casey, who is known as the Sleeping Prophet 114 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: of Virginia Beach, who's a psychic he Um, he said 115 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: that Atlantis stretched from the Gulf of Mexico to Spain, 116 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: and that the Bermuda Triangle. There are a lot of 117 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, if there is mystery in the Bermuda Triangle, 118 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: it's due to Atlantis. Is energy crystals, I will say, 119 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: though he said it would rise off Beminy. And then 120 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: when they discovered the Beminy Road, everyone's like see there, yeah, 121 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: and then it's two bad. Cherry's not here because she's like, 122 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: I dove the Beminy Road. Yeah. Guest producer Maddie is 123 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: in the house. Hey, Matt, we didn't mention that. Um So, 124 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: once Donnelly comes along and kind of takes up the 125 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: mantle of searching for Atlantis and making it as far 126 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: out as possible, it just becomes more and more of 127 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: the dope mean of like fringe dwellers. Right, sure, but 128 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: that is not to say that there aren't legitimate archaeologists 129 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: searching for something like Atlantis. That that doesn't mean that 130 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: there isn't something that inspired Plato, right, and we probably 131 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: know what that is. Actually, that's where my money is. 132 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: And now you're gonna make me say it, even though 133 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: I asked you to say it. Hilaki Haliki Hiliki Haliki Haliki, Yeah, okay, 134 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: Haliki spelled he like, Yeah, Um, I saw some weird 135 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: pronunciation things that I didn't understand when I looked it up, 136 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: so I just figured i'd hear it preview. That was 137 00:08:40,840 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: Greek to you, it was indeed, um, So yeah, the 138 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: cats out of the bag. As far as I'm concerned, 139 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: it is Hiliki. Well. It was a super interesting story though. Um. 140 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: This was well documented by lots of people, not not 141 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: like a single source like Plato, single made up source exactly. 142 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: And it was a lost Greek city. It suffered a 143 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: fate much like Atlantis supposedly did. Yeah. So Hliki was 144 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: this um very powerful city in ancient Greece on the 145 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: Gulf Corinthum, very nice in that area. Yeah yeah, I 146 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: imagine have you been No, I want to go. Um. 147 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: It was powerful enough to have its own colonies, so 148 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: I mentioned if Atlanta had colonies in like Germany, this 149 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: is very much the case for Hliki. And it was 150 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: the seat of power for a twelve city league called 151 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: the Achaian League, which is kind of like the Confederacy 152 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: in the South, so that you like having a bar 153 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: in a different city that's like your home bar like 154 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: you know they have like it's usually football based. There's 155 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: like a New York Jets bar at Pittsburgh Steelers bar 156 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Maybe that the same thing. I thought it 157 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: was more like the capital of like a number of states. Okay, 158 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's the same thing. But I 159 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: like that analogy. I'm just being coy. Um, so the 160 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: the key in league, now, I've just realized that I 161 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: missed something. Now that's a joke. Yeah, So the the 162 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: heliki is the city or the center of the key, 163 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: and league get controlled like the shipping around there. And 164 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: by the time Plato came about, it was hundreds of 165 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: years old, already very active port they have their own coinage. 166 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it looked very cool too. I looked 167 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: up the coins like dolphins and Poseidon and yeah, pitch 168 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: or not pitchforks, what do they call the tridents? Tridents? 169 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: And it was they had Poseidon on the coin because 170 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: this was like the seat of a cult of Poseidon. Yeah, 171 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: just like Atlantis exactly. And um it was had a 172 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: very prominent, well known statue of Poseidon, just like Atlantis. Right, 173 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: that's right. So the similarities are starting to mount top 174 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: they are, and uh, they really mount in a big 175 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: way in December of three seventy three BC, when the 176 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: townspeople started noticing, Wait a minute, all these small animals 177 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: are scurring for the hills and that's never a good sign. 178 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: Because we did talk about in another podcast how animals 179 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: can sense underground tremmors. I had to have been in 180 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: how earthquakes were. Yeah, I think that's what it was. 181 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: And sure enough, earthquake came in the middle of the 182 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: night on the fifth day, and that was followed by 183 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: an enormous wave and just like that overnight, just like Atlantis, 184 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: it was submerged to the bottom of the sea. Well 185 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: not the bottom but no, and not necessarily the sea either. 186 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: As we'll see, this is getting more mysterious. So, um, 187 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: so this really happened. This is pretty Uh, it was 188 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: a pretty well known event. Um. One of the there, 189 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: I guess we should say there were no survivors, like 190 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: people from the surrounding cities got together like um, a 191 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: search party, a rescue party, um that set out at 192 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: dawn just a few hours after this happened, and there 193 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: was well I think they got they walked as far 194 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: as they couldn't were like, oh yeah, well there's now 195 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: like a sea where there used to be this this 196 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: um city gone. There was no one there apparently. The 197 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: only thing visible were the tops of um the trees 198 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: in Poseidon's sacred grove. I would guess all of trees 199 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: yea uh. And there were ten ships and this will 200 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: come up later too from Sparta that were a docked 201 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: there in the port and they were gone as well, 202 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: just gone, and that will play an important part here 203 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: coming up soon. Yeah. So um, imagine like there's a city, 204 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: it's a very powerful, rich city, and you live out 205 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: in the boondocks and you just know something happened there 206 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: as an earthquake, so you go to check on the 207 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: city and then the city's gone and it's just silence, 208 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: and there's ten ships that aren't there anymore. Everything is 209 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: just gone. Creepy. What was even creepier though, is you 210 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: could look down into the city underwater and see it 211 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: all there still, yeah, including the statue of Posidon, which 212 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: apparently still stood erect and in place right and local 213 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: fishermen and ferryman um reported having their nets get caught 214 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: in poseidon statue all the time, which is kind of ironic. Yeah, 215 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: but Um, so you could see Hliki for hundreds of years, 216 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why it's so well 217 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: documented because there were it was kind of like have 218 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: you heard of than of tourism, dark tourism or death tourism. 219 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: So um, it was kind of like an early version 220 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: of a dark tourism site, like come this massive terrea, 221 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, um, and you could go check it out, 222 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: and travelers and writers and scholars did, and they documented 223 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: what they saw, um pretty pretty um specifically too, Like 224 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: in Stadia, they said, well, here's the this is where 225 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: the city is now, this is where it was in 226 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: relation to you know this river, that river, so like, 227 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: the sources are pretty pretty abundant, and they're pretty specific. 228 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of abundant and rivers and sources, look at you. Uh. 229 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: That area was was unique in that it had these 230 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: three rivers that met there, uh, bringing fresh water in. 231 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: So you got some good fresh water, you got some 232 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: good seawater with tons of good seafood, you got very 233 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: rich land for crops. We've got irrigation because we've got 234 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: the fresh water. The weather is gorgeous. So it's right 235 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: here on on the lovely seaside, and that's what made 236 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: it and on the ideal spot for people to say, hey, 237 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe we should settle down here. Yeah, let's hang out 238 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: here for a while, get fat on shrimp. Unfortunately, it's 239 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: also a bad spot because there are two fault lines 240 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: that run parallel through the area, and uh, they haven't 241 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: been known to call some major disruption over the years, 242 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: like the earthquake that destroyed Hiliki and generated the tsunami. 243 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like this whole place is 244 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: like made to produce a lost city, right yeah, because 245 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: there's other places around the world, um, where there's violent 246 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: tectonic activity and its coastal, so that means that it's 247 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: in danger of a tsunamill California not with a tsunami, 248 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't think. Japan, yeah, um, the Malaysian tsunami two four. Um, Yeah, 249 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of places. But to produce a so 250 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: that's that will ruin a coastal city, right yes, But 251 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: for it to become lost, it has to be covered 252 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: up somehow, and Hiliki is in a really unique situation 253 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: for this because of those three rivers that form the 254 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: Hiliki Delta where Hiliki was situated, right, So you've got 255 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: the earthquake, You've got the tsunami. So you have a 256 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: ruined city now submerged. And then these three rivers bring 257 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of silt to the area, and so eventually 258 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: Hiliki was covered up over over the centuries. Yeah, you 259 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: put it in the article about how if you bought 260 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: a house or not bought a house, Let's say, built 261 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: a house along the shore in eight ninety, it would 262 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: be a thousand feet inland, which imagine is quite a 263 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: rub for people that build that lovely house right on 264 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: the water, because within a century or so it's gonna 265 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: be a couple of streets back and there's like tin 266 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: jerks in front of you that have built houses exactly. 267 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: And it's kind of like what's that game where you 268 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: like leap frog? Oh yeah, I think you can say 269 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: Monopoly where you build bigger houses than the other guy. 270 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would have worked too. Um. So you've 271 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: got the tsunamis, you've got the river, You've got the silt, 272 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: the silt. You also have UM the delta itself. Because 273 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: of this violent activity, UM is moving up their finding 274 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: over time. It's it's rising. So you have a rising delta, 275 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: which is low. It's like right at sea level, but 276 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: it's it's getting bigger and silt is piling it up 277 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: and making dry ground even further jut out into the coast. Well, 278 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: what it made was a nice little surprise for archaeologists, 279 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: and I imagine archaeologists just went berserk with this place. Yeah, 280 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: they had no idea. They just thought Hliki itself was there. 281 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: They knew it was there, and that they suspected it 282 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: would be kind of like a Pompeii, but even more 283 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: um they considered it even more vital to archaeology or 284 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: the archaeological record than Pompeii. Even Well, what they found 285 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: though is you know, Josh, but we're gonna spring it 286 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: on you now, is six other distinct occupied horizons besides 287 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: six other ones are seven total, six total, six total, 288 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: five others besides Hilikia underneath one on top of the 289 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: other that had been settled and civilized and wiped out 290 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: and covered up and like just kind of captured in time. 291 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: That is crazy, Yeah, which, what what were they? So 292 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: there was one from the Byzantine period, which was pretty long. 293 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: I think it ran from two d to the fifteenth 294 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: century UM, and then beneath that there is a Roman 295 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: ruin which is from the second to the fourth a d. 296 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: And that one even features a Roman road which is 297 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: the road that travelers and writers used to come look 298 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: at Hiliki the ruins um and that one also chuck. 299 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: This just blows in my mind. It's so captured in 300 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: time that there's a human skeleton a top a like 301 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: a cattle skull that like it was knocked on top 302 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: of this beast and killed like by rock and rubble 303 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: and just kept there. So there's skeletons are intertwined now 304 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: and that nuts. So the Roman cities on top of Hiliki, 305 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: then beneath h leaky uh, they found even more stuff. 306 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: They found a settlement from the Bronze Age, and before 307 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: that they kept digging and found uh, prehistoric Neolithic period civilization, 308 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: possibly as old as twelve thousand years. I wonder if 309 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: there's something beneath that even I don't know. This makes 310 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: me think they should start digging in Los Angeles or 311 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: other like seaside retreats to see what you could find. Well, 312 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: there's a whole um. There's this whole idea, especially among 313 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: Atlantis hunters, that it's extremely intuitive because of rising sea 314 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: levels that anything that was established around the last Ice 315 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: Age or even at about the end of it, the 316 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: sea levels of ridges and like more than a hundred 317 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: feet since then. So any coastal cities now underwater. That's 318 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: like a big big thing that they hunt for an 319 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: hour that archaeologists are kind of starting to try to 320 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: get into is um looking for human habitation underwater. Like 321 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: there's this whole area off of Whales, I think Northern Wales, 322 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: Northern Ireland, maybe Um or Scotland anyways, called dogger Land 323 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: and it's like just the submerged area that used to 324 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: be above ground and they're they're they're finding like Neolithic 325 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: settlements there and that cool. Well, and you know, the 326 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: earth has changed so much over the course of its 327 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: existence that what's here didn't used to be here, and 328 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: what was there was something else, and so yeah, I 329 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: think it's there's no telling what's down there, but that 330 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: that idea and that the fact that you can find 331 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: Neolithic settlements under water supports, ironically the notion that there 332 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: could be something like a land that's lost somewhere like Hiliki. Right. 333 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, so these guys they found this this um 334 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: area and once they found Hilliki. It all started to 335 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: they just it was like jack pot, jackpot, jackpot. But 336 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: finding Hiliki itself um proved a little more difficult than 337 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: they thought, especially considering all the documentation they had. Yeah, 338 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: they knew supposedly knew where it was, quote unquote like 339 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: it's not like they were searching for a needle in 340 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: a haystack. They were searching for like, uh, like a 341 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: pool que in a haystack, you know. Uh. So in 342 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: the late eighties a couple of cornell prest us or 343 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: started looking for it for real z s and uh. 344 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: They had a little bit of misinterpretation um for the 345 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: word for the translation for body of water. And lucky enough, 346 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: they had a Greek woman with them. Well she's one 347 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: of the Cornellia professors. Oh she was. Yeah. Well then 348 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: lucky that she was Greek, Well yeah, because she translates. 349 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: She was like, wait a minute, She's like, it may 350 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: not be in the gulf after all, It maybe inland. 351 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: And they were like, yeah, everybody had been thinking that 352 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: this was the gulf had swallowed him up, swallowed up 353 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: the city, which makes sense, right. It turns out it 354 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: was an inland lagoon that did so. I think it 355 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: was very much akin to the you know, the Noah's 356 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: Ark episode. We just did, um, what is it? The 357 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: Dead Sea? I think where they think that the Dead 358 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: Sea used to be freshwater right now it's salt water 359 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: because that's evidence of the flood happening. And probably what 360 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: they think is the Mediterranean overwhelmed the straight I can't 361 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: remember what's straight it was, you're searching the reaches. Yeah, anyway, 362 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: I think it was much the same way, like the 363 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: city used to be around a lagoon, and then the 364 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: lagoon got a lot bigger, thus swallowing the city. Right, 365 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: So they looked under land, and all of a sudden 366 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: they had to ditch their scuba gear for shovels, and 367 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: they found the first Roman city, the first ruins. We're like, 368 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: wait a minute, twelve feet just twelve feet below the land, 369 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: which doesn't seem like that far at all. No, it's not, 370 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: because the Roman rumors were like four or five ft. Yeah, 371 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: I would think that someone would have accidentally found it 372 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: before that, even you know, well that kicked it off. 373 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: There was a German archaeologists who was traveling in the 374 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: area and found a Hliky coin with Poseidon on. It 375 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: was like, Holy cow, this is significant. So I think 376 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: that's kind of how it started. Yeah, so they found 377 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: have found a lot of stuff since then, um buildings, 378 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: industrial buildings, kilns, looms, intersecting streets. Yeah, with buildings along 379 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: these streets like a real city. Yeah. Uh what else? 380 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: The coins, of course, UM, jugs, jugs with their original contents, 381 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: and those are from the Bronze Age. They found a 382 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: storehouse of like jugs of different sizes and types from 383 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: the Bronze Age. So we're talking like five thousand years old. 384 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: They don't have any idea about these civilizations, but this 385 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: was contemporary to like ancient Troy, which itself was considered 386 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: a legendary city until hiring Schleiman found it. Um. So 387 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: they just finding this stuff is amazingly awesome because and 388 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: there's more yea, there is supposedly, yes, So they think 389 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: that they found the outskirts of Haliki and that they 390 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot more left, and that it's intact. Oh, 391 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: they're not actually at Hliki yet. No, they're in Hiliki, 392 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: but they're not in the city center, they don't you. Yeah, 393 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: so they're just out in the outskirts. That's what they think. 394 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: UM and when they were looking for Hiliki out in 395 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: the gulf. They found something cool too, didn't they. I 396 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: don't think I know this, you do know it. They 397 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: found a sea wall ancent sea Wolf of the City, 398 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: and they also found what they think are the ten 399 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Spartan ship. Oh yeah, that's right. I thought you were 400 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: going to say the Statue of Poseidon. That would be like, well, 401 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: they'll find an event the motherload if they found that, 402 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: things still standing upright under the earth. So they keep following. 403 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: They started by following the Roman road, right, So they're 404 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: basically they're unearthing, like imagine this student there unearthing like 405 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: three lost cities at once. Isn't that insane? Do you know? What? 406 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: Like an archaeological treasure trove that is. So they're unearthing them. 407 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: And as long as they don't intersect, right, as long 408 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: as like the Roman town isn't built directly over the 409 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: Statue of Poseidon to where getting to Poseidon would undermine 410 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: the Roman town um, then they should be able to 411 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: get at all. And they're gonna be doing They will 412 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: excavate this for decades. So this has been ongoing since 413 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: the late eighties. Well, no, they really started uncovering stuff 414 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: in like two thousand, but they started in so awesome. Yeah, 415 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: very cool. So that's a Haliki. So of course, Chuck, 416 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: this doesn't mean that anybody has stopped searching for Atlantis. 417 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Like the archaeologist in Spain. Yeah, he's looking inland though, 418 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: which comes from this theory. So maybe he's honest. One, 419 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: it's possible he's gonna start digging up in Barcelona and 420 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: people are gonna say, what are you doing? Yeah, drink 421 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: some wine. So, uh, you were saying that you think 422 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: that Plato was inspired by Hliki. I think there's substantial 423 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: evidence in what we've said. But also keep in mind 424 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: Laki happened in three seventy three. Plato wrote his book 425 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: in three sixty, thirteen years later, and he lived in 426 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: the area. This is a pretty well known catastrophe. I 427 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: think you're probably right, But with it, we would not 428 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: have had the awesome TV show Man from Atlantis had 429 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: it not been for Plato. No, I guess that's true. 430 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: Did you watch that? No, that was a little before 431 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: your time. And there's an awesome um HP Lovecraft short 432 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: story about a German U boat that ends up in Atlantis. 433 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: It's awesome. I tried to find YouTube stuff of Man 434 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: from Atlantis and then there's plenty out there. You know 435 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: he had the webbed hands when I was a kid up, Really, 436 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: you had webbed hands and feet. It's not Prince Nemore, 437 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: is it the submarter Prince of Nemore Nemo. No, Prince Nemore, 438 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: He's a Marvel comic guy. No, no, no, it was Man. 439 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: It was a schlocky It ran for like one year. 440 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Was like, yeah he was he had supero he had 441 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: superhuman strength and uh could breathe underwater, had gills, and 442 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: he had webbed feet in hands and um, I think 443 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: like some government agency snapped him up to do like 444 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: investigative undersea work for them. Oh, I know you're talking 445 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: about Welcome Back Cotter. It was a dude from from Dallas. 446 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: Uh Patrick? What's his face? Patrick Ewing? Patrick Guffy? You're 447 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: thinking jr. You Patricking is the basketball player, right, Patrick Duffy? Yah? Yeah, 448 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: h this was good stuff. I've never heard of that show. Yeah, 449 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: it was only around for one year. I think. Boy, 450 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: I was into it when I was like seven. Good stuff. 451 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: You had webbed hands. Yeah, it got me into Plato. 452 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: You hadn't been eating it for years. Funny guy. All right, 453 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: so that's it. You got anything else? I got nothing. 454 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this one with me. It was awesome. 455 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for opening my eyes to coolness. Anytime. If 456 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: you want to know more about Juliki, you should search 457 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: for was there a real Atlantis? By typing that into 458 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: the search bar house to works dot com and I 459 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: said that, which means it's time for a listener. Man. 460 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: That's right, Josh. Remember when we did a little TV 461 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: pilot recently. Um, we tried to get these book INDs 462 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: onto the show. They arrived a little late. We weren't 463 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: able to. But I want to tell everyone about this 464 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: project because that sounds very cryptic. Uh, this from my Hey, guys, 465 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: have been a big fan for a couple of years, UM, 466 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: and I especially like that some of your causes you 467 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: have taken on and considered and done podcast about them, 468 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: Kiva and the Cooperative for Education in particular. So our 469 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: Guatemala podcast gave him an idea for a Facebook fundraising 470 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: idea to raise awareness for co op our buddies Cooperative 471 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: for Education Cincinnati to do the awesome textbook programs and 472 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: UH Computer Center Labs in Guatemala, and he proposed to 473 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: them and they said, hey, y'all, let's do this. So 474 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: his idea was to create quote unquote celebrity book INDs 475 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: with just this basic idea. Take an ordinary set of 476 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: book INDs, although they are pretty fancy looking, right, I 477 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: gotta admit, uh in, make them super famous uh pop 478 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: culture icons through social media, and then sell them for 479 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: a million bucks and give it all to co ed. 480 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: So that's the plan. It's a good plan. I don't 481 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: know if we added anything to that. We added at 482 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: least sevent Okay, good um, he says. I know it 483 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but crazy is usually what it takes to 484 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: get people to notice things. The rational thinking behind this 485 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: is that to get famous, all you need to have 486 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: are a ton of people believing that you're famous. You know, yeah, 487 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean, what else is celebrity exactly. Uh. So they're 488 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: trying to drum up celebrity for these book ends to 489 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: raise awareness. They have sent them around the world to 490 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: meet people and to be on TV shows and in movies. Uh. 491 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: They're documenting this on Facebook, the travels of these book ends, uh, 492 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: in Twitter and blogs for people to follow. And our 493 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: big audacious goal is to get as many Facebook fans 494 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: as Kim Kardashian. She has nine million fans. Can you 495 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: plead them? Yes? Wow? Uh So, what we're hoping for 496 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: your listeners is that they will like the idea enough 497 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: to want to help. All you have to do it 498 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: can be as simple as going to the Facebook page. Uh, 499 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: follow you on Twitter, the celebrity book ins that is, 500 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: tweet about us, blog about us, tell your friends to 501 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: like us, and hook us up with any celebrity friends 502 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: that you might have. Um, they have been in the 503 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: hands of Danny de Vito, uh, Matt burning your of 504 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: the National. I didn't know how to pronounce that, but 505 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: I do love the National, and I believe I saw 506 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges holding these things, did you really Yeah? And 507 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: then before us Yeah, So we actually got a little 508 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: de Vito Bridges stank on our hands unless they clean 509 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: these things. And they sent it to us originally to 510 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: get it in our cubicles on the TV pilot, but 511 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: they arrived a little late and we weren't able to. 512 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: So we just did some pictures and maybe on down 513 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: the road, if we do any more TV stuff, we 514 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: can get them on television and do our part to 515 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: help raise awareness man so uh Facebook dot com, im 516 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: slash Celebrity Bookends or Twitter at Celebrity Bookends or send 517 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: an email to Celebrity Bookends at Gmail, and that raises 518 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: awareness to eventually sell these things to Danny de Vito 519 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: to raise money for co ed for a million bucks. Well, 520 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: I certainly don't have a million bucks. Well, we also 521 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: have our own Twitter handle and you can get in 522 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: touch with us too. While you're talking to Celebrity Bookends. 523 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: You can tweet to us whatever you want. There's no rules, 524 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: uh except that has to be a hundred forty characters 525 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: or lest just that ru um. That's s Y s 526 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: K podcast. We're also on Facebook at Facebook dot com 527 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: slash stuff you Should Know, and you can send us 528 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: an email as well at stuff podcast dot com dot 529 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: for more on this and thousands of other topics. 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