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Speaker 1: Really it's been one of those up and down seasons

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Speaker 1: Niko Horner. Welcome into north Side Territory. Foul Territory Networks

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Speaker 1: Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney.

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Speaker 1: Were your Cubs beat writers for The Athletic Patrick Today,

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Speaker 1: the Cubs Are they stuck? That's the theme for Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's you know, I think we've we've probably

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Speaker 1: hearing from people around the league and and not so

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Speaker 1: much as like stating fact as much as like asking

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Speaker 1: the question, like how like what are the moves? How

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Speaker 1: do they how do they get to a place where

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Speaker 1: they're not kind of like stuck in this eighty three

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Speaker 1: to eighty five win, you know, cycle, like where it

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Speaker 1: kind of feels like they are. And and you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked the last episode about everyone kind of admitting

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Speaker 1: hiding the ball here. They know they're not good enough.

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Speaker 1: And there was this big jump from twenty two to

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Speaker 1: optimism right like that that made it feel like, ah,

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Speaker 1: jump this year and that didn't happen, and that that

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Speaker 1: makes it feel like, oh, wait a second, where are they?

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Speaker 1: Are they? This eighty three win team? Is that what's

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Speaker 1: and you looked at the contracts, you start to wonder,

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Speaker 1: how do you get better? Okay? And and I think

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Speaker 1: it's it comes down to there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: look at it that way. Those are good ballplayers and

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get rid of them, but they're

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Speaker 1: could fit into those spots. So kind of what do

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Speaker 1: you do? How do you how does this work? How

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Speaker 1: what's the vision to make this eighty three ish win

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Speaker 1: not sure if we're going to solve that conundrum during

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Speaker 2: I think that no promises the.

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Speaker 1: Front office is faced with this answering this question, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think we've had the same experience in reporting out

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Speaker 3: perspective that's gained as Game one sixty two approaches like

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Speaker 3: this is not just like a a Twitter rant or

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Speaker 3: industry is being bandied about. And I think you're right

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Speaker 3: to point out that these are good players. This is

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Speaker 3: Term, medium term deals at reasonable prices for the production.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I think the Cubs are kind of

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Speaker 3: going back and forth here, like, yes, say is a

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Speaker 3: But you don't want to like lose that ability in

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Speaker 3: still think Bellinger could be really valuable, like his ability

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Speaker 2: It really plays over one sixty two.

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Speaker 3: And so that's why you wrote it again, and I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree. I think that's that's probably I

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Speaker 1: think that's that's the philosophy you kind of have to

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Speaker 1: we weak at? Where like we need to upgrade at

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Speaker 1: position X, right, like capture isn't good enough? Upgrade there? Okay,

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Speaker 1: saying don't explore it, don't don't try and be creative,

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Speaker 1: search for other creative ways to get better. The most

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Speaker 1: Being the rotation already a strength, make it even better, right.

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Speaker 1: do with what's available. Improving catchers really hard. I think

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Speaker 1: The Cubs have to do this, It's just something they

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Speaker 1: And and he's he's had some better games of late,

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Speaker 1: and you're seeing that as he's it's exactly a hundred

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Speaker 1: His war is a little bit down, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the question isn't just like what's the

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Speaker 1: trading him? What like what you get in return? And

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Speaker 1: Right that, like what's that value bring to the team,

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Speaker 1: believe he's like, we're solving for wins. Right when I

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Speaker 1: would we love to have one guy that provides eight wins? Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it'll be hard to line up that value,

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Speaker 3: I think you're talking about I mean, not you in particular,

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Speaker 2: And valuing him that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And when you talk about depth, I do think

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Speaker 1: I think next year is the year where we're not

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Speaker 1: year where where they will be coming up. They're all

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Speaker 1: those guys unless they're traded. I didn't even mention James

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Speaker 1: Toronto's I don't know who in that group is getting traded.

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Speaker 1: Some of them probably are this winter.

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Speaker 2: And probably in their best interest to trade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But but others are going to be at minimum

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Speaker 1: depth that's called up, called upon almost immediately when there's

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Speaker 1: a need, uh, and and that that's how you build

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Speaker 1: a good team. They do need a difference making move

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Speaker 1: somewhere in there. And uh, you know, ultimately it made

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Speaker 1: And I think you're right what you said. We were

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Speaker 1: both a little surprised by the greatest move. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: if they can they can continue, If they can continue

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Speaker 1: to surprise us, hey, more power to them. But right

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Speaker 1: now it is hard to see a clear path to

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Speaker 1: improving this lineup at least, which is why it may

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Speaker 1: have to be the pictures. All right, Patrick, that's it

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Speaker 1: for today. We'll have another podcast coming out this week

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Speaker 1: to wrap up the season. We'll do that next week,

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Speaker 1: I guess the Gentle Talk Back week as well. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening everyone, This is Northside Territory. Make

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Speaker 1: you covered all off season. Thanks so much for listening.

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