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She is a proud and active 39 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: member of the n w a c P United Way 40 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: and she spirit has the Minority at Large program for 41 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: the Democratic Executive Committee of Alabama. She also made history 42 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: as the only woman of color in the United States 43 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: to be the sole owner of a certified use all 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: over dealership. So to my guests, how are you doing? 45 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: I am doing fine, thank you. How has the pandemic 46 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: been treating you? Well, the pandemic just been keeping us 47 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: in the house. But so far, no one in my 48 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: family has had the COVID. So we've been blessed over here. 49 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: And I said, you've been kind of busy. I've been 50 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: real busy, Yes, because you've been everywhere I have. I have, 51 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: I've been a lot of places. Um. But um, I'm 52 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: excited and I enjoy I like traveling anyway. So it's 53 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: not it's it's it's not a problem trying to stay covered. 54 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: I know doing these times. I feel like your story 55 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: proves the misconception is wrong or what a being in 56 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: the game. Why do you think women have a hard 57 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: time with getting the respect that they deserve, Because me 58 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: and always feel like they dominate. Um that that's a 59 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: meal um perception of the game. And they feel as 60 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: though women are not smart enough to are or strong 61 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: enough to be in in in that type of hustle 62 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: or that type of game, and so they don't respect women, 63 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: and you know, they treat them, you know, very hard. MM. Hmm. 64 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: It has been said that you were the longest reigning 65 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: drug dealer in the country. How long were you in 66 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: the game? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I didn't realize that 67 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: until either game and UM we set out with the 68 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: interview and it was like, okay, so when did you start? 69 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I started like eighty four? Is 70 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: when did you fit it? Like two thousand four And 71 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, like, thirty years, what do you know? Yeah, 72 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: but I did a lot in them thirty years and 73 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: just like thirty years, you know. So you started very young. 74 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: I did. I did. I Actually I was eighteen when 75 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: when I started, um learning the Huffle game. Um, I 76 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: was nineteen when we started selling marijuana, and then from marijuana, 77 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: of course you know everything else cocaine, crack cocaine, and 78 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: that's that's what it was. But I was I was young. 79 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: I was still young. Because still young, because I'm in 80 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: my twinnies, early twenties and twenties and even early thirties 81 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: and so but I had a lot of respect, uh 82 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: in my twinnies and then and and throughout the rest 83 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: of my career. UM in the game, do you feel 84 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: like you get the respect that you deserved. And the 85 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: reason why I asked this because when I was watching 86 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: their documentary on b T, you put emphasis on the 87 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: original Queen of the South. Oh yeah, I got the 88 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: respect I earned UM in the respect earlier on UM. 89 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: And people just gravitated to me. And you know, after 90 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: you let them know who you are, then they knew 91 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: how to accept me. They knew how to approach me, 92 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: on how to come to me because they know that, 93 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, I just didn't play games. I've never been 94 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: wanting to play games or you know, so it was 95 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: always business for me, and so I treated it as 96 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: such and people respected that, you know. And so that's 97 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: why I had respect no matter where I went throughout Alabama, anywhere, 98 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, Texas, anywhere I went, I had respect. So 99 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: and because I give respect. So let's start from the beginning. 100 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: So how was your childhood growing up? My childhood growing up? 101 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: All in all, I had a great childhood, but I 102 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: also had my father. My parents. You know, they fought 103 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: all the time. My father would fight my mom when 104 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: he wanted to leave the house and you know, be 105 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: gone from Friday to Sunday, either gabbling or with women 106 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: or whatever. But he never he never abused me and 107 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: my brothers. He didn't beat us or anything like that. 108 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: The just abuse of my mom. And we've seen her 109 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: get hit in the head and pickle jars and and stuff, 110 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: head cut off and beat with belts of different stuff. 111 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: But besides all of that, Uh, we had we had 112 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: a great life. You on. My mom, she was a shopper. 113 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: We shopped all the time. She worked for the government. 114 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: My dad had his own construction company. And um, and 115 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: so my grandparents, you know, they they were always in 116 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: our life, always in my life. And so and I 117 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: went to public private schools before I went to public schools. 118 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: So I think I've had I had a I think 119 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: I had a great life, you know, uh, average life, 120 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: I would say. And he was also a model. Yes, 121 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I modeled from from when I was nine years old 122 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: up until I think I just I stopped about three 123 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: years ago. Um, I stopped. But but he was the 124 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: model now yeah all night, I mean, yeah, she still 125 00:08:54,679 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: looked good. Yeah, and I I stopped. Um, I got 126 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: tired of doing runways and I kind of like let 127 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: that go. Um, but yeah, I love it. That's like 128 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: my you know, how people have their downtime and stuff 129 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: that they did when you know that that they're comfortable with. 130 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: And during the course of me selling drugs, whenever I'm 131 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: off the scene, that's my downtime is to model and 132 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: to be on stage. I get a piece, I get 133 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: piece or a draw, so that that was my quiet 134 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: peace time. That's what I like to do. And so 135 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: I did a lot of beauty pageants and I wanted 136 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: like over two hundred trophies in in competition beauty pages 137 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: all over Comlex. Not yeah, I few, I want quite 138 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: a few. Ain't know. I know, I'm jumping ahead of 139 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: the story. But I saw a picture that you drew 140 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: of yourself when you was in jail, and I'm like, wall, 141 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: she drew this, Yeah, the black and white one. That 142 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: was nice. Yeah, I drew myself. I actually just found 143 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: another one that I sent to a friend. I showed 144 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: it to it. That was when I first got the 145 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: prison and I drew it. But it was like it 146 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: was my feelings. It was a picture of feelings and 147 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: that's how I felt. I felt a mess and crying 148 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: and just confused about a lot of stuff, and that's 149 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: what the picture is. But yeah, I draw um when 150 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm bored or depressed. I draw. That's what gives me 151 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: comfort or I shocked. So if I shop a lot, 152 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: i'm depressed anything like some retail therapy, right, Always make 153 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: me happy for the moment, always make me real happy. 154 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, man, ye know, I can tell it's gonna 155 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: be such a good interview. Like I'm telling you not. 156 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean, all the ladies um stories are really good, 157 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: but it's only certain people who like stood out to me, 158 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: and yours was one of them. I'm like, yo, I 159 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: gotta get out of the show because you told some 160 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: you told some stories and I'm like, nah, she is jokes. No, 161 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: they didn't even tell the half of it. They were 162 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: really upset. It was like, oh my god, we're thinking 163 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: about doing a two part on you, maybe a three 164 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: because my story is so huge. They had to content 165 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: the little fortified. I knew it because it was certain parts. 166 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: I felt like it was kind of rushed and I'm like, 167 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: I feel like, I feel like they took so deep 168 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: out because it was uh such a short Yeah, they did. 169 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: They took they took a lot out of and because 170 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: they had some really exciting times uh. And I would 171 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: say exciting because I was in the game and it 172 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: was fun. We had fun. Um the guys, my guys, 173 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: my crew. I always like to teach them not just 174 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: selling drugs. It was about survival and learning how to 175 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: take care of yourself when you get older. Because they 176 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: were they were young, they were teenager and oh yeah, 177 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: they like Michael, oh my God like oh yeah, it 178 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: was it was quite a few of them. Uh. And 179 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: I basically you could say I raised Michael and his 180 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: younger brother and um, his his brother that that that 181 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: was killed. Um. I came into his life when he 182 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: was about fourteen, fourteen and fifteen. Michael was about ten 183 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: and their younger brother was probably by seven or eight. 184 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: And um to this day, they they Michael and his 185 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: younger brother, they dote on me, uh literally because I 186 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: still help them. I still helped them regardless of what. 187 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: And my thing was was to teach them, teach them 188 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: to be given, um because I would make them when 189 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: they make money, I would make them give the homeless 190 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: money because I always did. I said, you can't give 191 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: them as much as I can a day because I 192 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: make more, but you give them something and God will 193 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: bless you. You know what I'm saying. I always trying 194 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: to teach them that because that's that's what I learned 195 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: from my mom, my grandmother. And you know, we always 196 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: went to church, and we stated we grew up at 197 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: church and goodness. But and that's a good thing. Um. 198 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: But I tried to steal in them positive stuff. It 199 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: wasn't that we was always riding around and and and 200 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: doing things or shooting people or something like that. A 201 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: lot of days was was teaching them, you know, the 202 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: ones that was in school. I would take them to school. 203 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: And then when they decided to drop out of school, 204 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: well I take them to school. They have beat me 205 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: back to the problem. But yeah, but still yeah, yeah, 206 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: and and and they all looked up to me and 207 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: loved me. I took them to their first restaurants. I 208 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: took them, you know, to their first amusement part. I 209 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: would take them to Atlanta and and do stuff as 210 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: they grew, as they got older and stuff. But you know, um, 211 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: it's about helping people, you know. And I helped a 212 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of people when I was in out there. You know, 213 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I paid a lot of people utility be I had 214 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: a lot of kids, um, you know, clothed a lot 215 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: of kids. Christmas, I didn't I I gave more toys 216 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: than sun across the UH two people especial kids that 217 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: I knew there wasn't gonna have anything because I knew 218 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: their parents was on drugs or something like that. I 219 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: always would look out for him. You know. Sometimes when 220 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: I come to the projects and go in the store, 221 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even see not one child. As soon as 222 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: I walk in the store. I think every single child 223 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: in the project made it to the store, from the 224 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: vitty ones to the teenager. And it's like I had 225 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: a radarre, Yeah, And they would just come piling in 226 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: and I would just buy them whatever they picked up, 227 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, And so you know, it was good, you know, 228 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: some good times and some bad times. But well, in 229 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: your documentary, because I feel like we're jumping all over place, 230 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: but y'all, her story is amazing. People talk about your 231 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: book later. Um. In your documentary, you share that your father, 232 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: what you already spoke about, was very absta towards your mother. 233 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: And there was an incident when you stood up to 234 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: your father to protect your mom and he shot at 235 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: you and your siblings. So in what ways did that 236 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: affect you? Well? I had he when he went to 237 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: when he jumped on my mom, I was just tired. 238 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: I had already made up in my mind that if 239 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: he touched my mom again. So I had already build 240 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: this up throughout the week because so much and so yeah, 241 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: and so we did. I jumped on him and my brother. 242 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: It was just me and Javans and so and Javans 243 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: was the eight seven or eight or something like that, 244 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: and so he had him by the leg and stuff. 245 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: But I was literally on his back, just touching him, 246 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: and he slung us off and he went in his pocket. 247 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: He always kept a pistol. He went in his pocket 248 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: and he shot at us, and we ran out the house. 249 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: We had these huge pine trees in the yard and 250 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: we literally stood up undergroom. He didn't know where we 251 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: went because it was dark, and then finally we ran 252 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: down to the neighbor's house. Um. And that to me 253 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: made me feel like um, and my dad would do 254 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: that and my dad would shoot at me, so somebody else, 255 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: and so I I and if my dad jumped on 256 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: my mom, maybe some man trying to jump on me. 257 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna have that. So I started developing 258 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: that mindset at a young age that I just not 259 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: gonna let no man mistreat me. You're not gonna do 260 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: me any kind of way. If anybody get done any 261 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of way, I'm gonna do it to you, You're 262 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: not definitely not gonna do it to me. And I'm 263 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: not going to be in love with nobody to the 264 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: point that you can do anything to me. I don't 265 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: love like that. And uh so it just made me 266 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: feel um like you know, or did he Did you 267 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: ever reconcile after that? Oh? Oh yeah, Um, I didn't. Never. 268 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: I didn't never stop loving my dad because of what 269 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: he done it. And he didn't never stop doing for 270 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: us because like even when I said it Ben and 271 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: and now since I thought about it and seen it, 272 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: it was like normal to us. But that wasn't that 273 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: wasn't normal. We didn't realize normal. But it's normal, right, 274 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: And so we we just didn't we didn't elaborate on 275 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: it to the point that, oh, we're gonna jump out 276 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: of the window kill ourselves or well, you know, I 277 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: mean we did. I don't want to say we didn't care. 278 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: It just didn't affect us like and and I didn't. 279 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: I just thought it was I just looked at it 280 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: like normal. We just go on. And yeah, before my 281 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: dad passed away in March. He passed away, my dad. 282 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: He died oled thank you. He got a week before 283 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: um b Et called me to let me know I 284 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: was be on the show and so but anyways, we 285 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: had got really, really really close. We were already close, 286 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: but we got really close really after my mom had passed. 287 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: My mom died in ninety seven, my mom and grandmother, 288 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: and so I had only my grandfather and my dad, 289 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: and so I got really close to my grandfather, which 290 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: was my mother's father, and my dad, and so I 291 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: helped him, which I helped all of them. When my 292 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: mom and grandmother was sick, I helped him. And when 293 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: my grandfather got down, I helped him. And then my father, 294 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, I was there for him, taking him to 295 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: the doctor. And do us who got really close, and uh, 296 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: he apologized for you know, he said if I ever 297 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: hearded you, you know, or anything when he was coming up, 298 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry. I thought you know it probably though, 299 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: Yeah it was and and uh, my my brothers they 300 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: never really forgave him, Uh, but I did. And it's 301 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: it's a lot, and I guess they did in their 302 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: old way. Yeah, but he done a lot. He hed 303 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: done a whole lot, and you know, as far as 304 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: mistreating my mom, but for us he did. And my 305 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: dad he really he really still buy me with with 306 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: my model and my mother didn't want me to so 307 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: she didn't never take me, but my dad in and 308 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: my dad would go to my brother's games and stuff. 309 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: He supported us and whatever we wanted to do. Even 310 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: all the way up to now, my dad was was 311 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: the one driving me all over the country when I 312 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: was doing beauty pages and winning. I go ahead, queen, 313 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, well I did, you know, because I never 314 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: got it. I didn't never participate in no padget if 315 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: if it wasn't um at least uh and mostly teen 316 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: to dollars pagetes them the ones that I like to 317 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: get in and I would win and my dad would well, 318 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: I guess he was my manager. I don't know, but 319 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: he was. He was there with me. He would drive me, 320 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: he would take me or he would go with me. 321 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: Um and everything that I did, even when I started 322 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: my car business, my dad was there when I first 323 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: opened the doors and stuff. You know, he he just 324 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: been been my support or a creative so he kind 325 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: of understood that feel. M Oh yeah, oh, definitely he 326 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: all our life. Uh, he had his instruction company, so 327 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: I didn't never know nothing else but to to have 328 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: my own business. Or I could have chose. What my 329 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: mom wanted me to do was to goost job, to 330 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: college and they'll work and then go to work for 331 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: for a rest. So arsenal, I retired and that's that 332 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: was never me. I'm I would never retire. Never, I'll 333 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: quit before I feel you. So as you got older, 334 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: so how did Champ change your life? Well, Champ changed 335 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: my life because here you have this schoolgirl. Um not 336 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: the only time I've ever seen drugs was in a book. 337 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: Um And and the kids at our school there wasn't hustlers. 338 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: They didn't do stuff like like that. So all that 339 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: was exciting to me. So he taught me the strengths. 340 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: He taught me how to hustle. And he would tell me. 341 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: He he would tell me that people, guys would try 342 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: to treat me, They will try to come on to me, 343 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: to try to get to me. And he told me 344 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 1: that I need to develop my mind to look past 345 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: that because I know how I look. I don't need 346 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: nobody to to confirm what I look like. And I'm 347 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: doing business and he said, that's just a way for 348 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: people to tell which is true, and especially me. And 349 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: so he taught me. He taught me how to maneuver 350 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: and and and hustle in the streets. That's what he 351 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: taught me. And then we started selling marijuana, and of 352 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: course I learned, I learned the weights, I learned how 353 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: to beg I learned how to distribute it and learn 354 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: how to sail you know. Um, so he changed my life, 355 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: uh tremendously because he's the one that put that hustle, 356 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: or I could say he brought that hustle. Yeah, yeah, 357 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: you're right, right, he just he just brought it to 358 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: the forefront. And so, you know, and we really was 359 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: we really worked good together, you know. And so when 360 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: he got locked up because he shot a guy and 361 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: that was over, I think that it was a skinned game. 362 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not even sure so long ago, but the 363 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: guy he ultimately went to gil for that prison. And 364 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: so when he went, when he left the streets people, 365 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, so I had to go and get our money. Yeah, 366 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot of uh we even 367 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: stuff out on the streets. So we had a lot 368 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: of money out there. When I go to collect. Well, 369 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: they don't want to pay this. This is one of 370 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: my stories. Go ahead, let's see, let me go, let me. 371 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: Let me back up just a little bit. So the 372 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: shooting part. Okay, So one day we were riding, Me 373 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: and Champ was riding down the parkway. A guy passed by, 374 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: and you know, people just speak when the guy spoke, 375 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: and I spoke back, and then I turned up a 376 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: gardener juice and champed ghet the card and justice went 377 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 1: all up my nose. And I thought I was going 378 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: to drown because my mama was sid you could draw water, 379 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: and so I thought I was about drowned. And so 380 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: when we got I was driving, I said, okay, I 381 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: got something for you. So when we got to his 382 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: mom's house, I went up under the seat and I 383 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: pulled out a pistol and I started shooting at him. 384 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: And uh so that's when I first started shooting people. 385 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: And it was him and and and so that's how 386 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: this how my quick shooting came. And plus my dad, 387 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: I always shooting always, That's what I was talking to, right, yeah, 388 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: with then you know where my mom's from, Tennessee, right, 389 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: I don't gun out, ain't gonna shoot up no, no, 390 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: my dad said, if you pull and shoot it, So 391 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: that's what I did. Whether I want to or not, 392 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot anyway because that's what I do. Anyway. 393 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: So dude told me, he said, I can't give your 394 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: ass ship bitch. I said, oh, but you are, and 395 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: so he acted. He still wouldn't give it to me. 396 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: So I just waded my person. I pulled my pills 397 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: a out and I shot him in the leg and 398 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: took my money and then dare anybody to do anything 399 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: about it? And so then that's when all that stuff. 400 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: So then how did you transition? Because I know you 401 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: said you got bored, but like you just completely left 402 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: and decided to go back to school. No, no, no, no, 403 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go back to school until well, I went 404 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: to school several times the way you're saying it those 405 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: years look throughout. I went with that. I started, and 406 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: I dropped out, and then um a few years later, 407 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: I would back to Annial. Then I went to Drake Technical, 408 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: then I went to Californnil. So I did nails for 409 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: eighteen years and so so any race. When I got 410 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: out of prison the last time, I decided to go 411 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: back to school and this time, I went for legal 412 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: studies because I wanted to be At first, I wanted 413 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: to be a d A because I wanted to make 414 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: some changes, which that would have made me the first 415 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: drug queen pin felling to be a d A ever. 416 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: But I said, well, I can't really make no real 417 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: changes as being a a counting d A. So then 418 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: and the reigning um district attorney he was supposed to 419 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: be in a documentary but they couldn't get the contractor 420 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: re right for him being they steal the d A 421 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: and and so. But in a way he offered me 422 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: a job when I he said, when you finished law school, 423 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: I want you to come and work as a d A. So, 424 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, drug dealers just they get those opportunities which 425 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't understand to me, like I love the drug 426 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: dealer story because I think drug deals are some of 427 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: the smartest people out there. We'll see. I want you 428 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: to be smarter than them. That's what you got the 429 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: real life. They don't They they know you are, but 430 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: they don't want they don't want you to be smarter 431 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: than them and have beaten them at their own game. 432 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: And and but you know, I just found favor God 433 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: allow these people, you know, so that that will find 434 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: favor in me. So Rex Reynolds, the um chief of 435 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: ex chief of police, he's now Alabama State representative. He's 436 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: on a documentary he and they cut so much, but 437 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: he all he was on there telling them that he 438 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: went to the Attorney General, Steve Marshall, and they called 439 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: me three different times and offered me a job to 440 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: work with the Attorney General of Alabama. So that for 441 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: a criminal justice reform and prison reform. And I filed 442 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the lawsuit against the Department of Correcer. Yeah, because I 443 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't like especially when when we're going to jail, like 444 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: how they treat women is just very disgusting. So I 445 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: want to touch on that part too. So you can 446 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: educate the listeners because you did a lot for them 447 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: at the prison that you was at and I know 448 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: they were sick of you, oh they were. So when 449 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: you met Paul Boy, he introduced you to sell cocaine. 450 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: So how did that happen? Well, you see, Paul Boy 451 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: was one of the little boys they used to come. 452 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: Let me go back. Champ's younger brother, and and and Champ. 453 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: It's pol boys cousins. The first cousin. So Poe Boy 454 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: used to come to the house where he was a 455 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: young boy, and so he got chance to you know, 456 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: and I used to take them places and do stuff. 457 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: They used to come to the house. They used to 458 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: play football whatever little boys do, you know. And um, 459 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: so later on, when he was seventeen, I had That's 460 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: when Champion went to jail. I had stopped selling, went 461 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: back to school and all that little stuff. And so 462 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: I ran into him and he told me what he 463 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: was doing in the projects. He said he was selling cocaine. 464 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: And I told, boys, really, you ain't selling cocaine, you know, 465 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: and never seen you know. And because at that time 466 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: it was just like impossible, you know, it was just 467 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: hard to get or or whatever. Then it became political. 468 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: But anyways, he said, come out there. I do, and 469 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: he said I got some guys selling for me too. 470 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: I really got it going on. I said, okay, I'll 471 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: come out there. Well I didn't for a while. I 472 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: was at school and stuff. So one day I said, darn, 473 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: I need some money. I said, you know what, let 474 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: me go out here and see where he's talking about. 475 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: You know. I saw. I went out there, and sure 476 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: enough he had going on and so he so, so 477 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, and I had, like I said, I've never 478 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: seen cocaine but in a book. And so I literally 479 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: went when I started selling cocaine, I went to the 480 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: library and checked out a book on cocaine so I 481 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: could read about it, so I could learn where it 482 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: came from business, how to manage market and run your 483 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: business exactly. And so he showed me how to do 484 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: bundles and so and and then at the time they 485 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: would put him in medicine bottles with right, you know, 486 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: the little tricks and stuff. And he showed me how 487 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: to do all of that, and so I said wow. 488 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: And so I started making a little money. I was like, Hi, 489 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: I make more money doing this than I was with 490 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: the marijuana. And then it's not as bulky marijuana bulky 491 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: and it's not as boky. And so that's how all 492 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: of that got started. And and so I was just 493 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: independently out there just really making me, you know, a 494 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: few dollars or whatever, um, but also learning more about 495 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: the streets on a younger level of how they were 496 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: operating and how the streets was being operated and and stuff. 497 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: So I learned, I learned to actually learn a lot 498 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: from a kid. You know, I learned quite a bit 499 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: from him within the two years because um he was 500 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: killed when he was not and so yeah, yeah, and 501 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: it was it was. It was sad. It was sad. Um. 502 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: But what changed is that his little crew, some of them, um, 503 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: they were like literally upset, literally crying on the streets. 504 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: And so I was like, okay, so don't worry. You know, 505 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: I can I handle it. I take over. You know 506 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I need a crew, and y'all need 507 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: a leader because they knew nothing about leading, you know, 508 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: they didn't even know how to cop the somebody to 509 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: give them something and then they sell it, right, And 510 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: so that's how I got my first little crew. And 511 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: then it just started growing and growing as I started 512 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: getting bigger and I started meeting more people. Then I 513 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: started going to Birmingham and I was dealing with with 514 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: some guys in Birmingham and stuff, and and then it 515 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: just and then really I'm like, you need your own 516 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: because I'm telling you just don't do this story justice. 517 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: And uh so we helped go ahead. No, I was 518 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: just gonna say we had a lot of incidents beside 519 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: the Bowling Alley incident, I know everybody you know tripped 520 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: out with Michael with the sign and that was our word. 521 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: We declare war. And you don't see this sign. Let's 522 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: you know what what's about to pop off? Hey? And 523 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: and and it will and and we had it was set. 524 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: We had a lot of different incidents, but we had 525 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: one that we thought that they were going to put 526 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: it in the documentary, but they didn't get a chance to. 527 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: I just made it to the projects and I went 528 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: into my eyes. I used to keep my drugs. I 529 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: had an uncle that lived in one of the projects 530 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: and I used to keep my drugs in their freezer. 531 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: And so I just walked in the house. Just got 532 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: to the project, walked in the house and I heard 533 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: something make a noise like boo boo, and so I 534 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: looked at the window. Well, what I saw was some 535 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: guys dressed in ninja, all black, jumping out of the trees, 536 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: flipping off the rooftop of the project. And when they 537 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: reached the their back they came out with shotguns. They 538 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: had the guys laying out down the street on the 539 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: on the curve on the sidewalk and it was the police, 540 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: but they was just jumped. There was in Ninja and 541 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: and that was like ninja turtle stuff. It was that 542 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: was crazy. Um, we we had a lot of everything 543 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: are just going so fast because I'm pretty sure you 544 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: escaped death a lot of times. Um, what did you 545 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: really think? Uh? I didn't really think about it. Um. 546 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: And I didn't never really think about it until after 547 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: the murder um that I was ultimately charged for and 548 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: his dad was laying out outside of my apartment and 549 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: the police found me. He had a shotgun, so I 550 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: came home. He would have shot me. So that's been 551 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: about the only that's like the only time that it 552 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: has been like surreal. But I wasn't even in town, 553 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: so I'm not coming home because I wasn't in town 554 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: when it happened. And so yeah, I hadn't really thought 555 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: about it except for you when you went to jail 556 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: the first time. Do you think it made you more 557 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: into a beast? Well, it made me angry, yeah, because 558 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: of how it went down, you know. Okay, that's what 559 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: I was thinking. Yes, Um, the first time I went 560 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: to here, it was at the hotel, and yes, and yeah, 561 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Oh, I know it 562 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: made me angry that I was in there, and that's 563 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: when I met Helen Forward, the other the other officer 564 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: that was on there, and she just really ever say, 565 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: she said, you're too smart to be in here, and 566 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: right right, I know, right, but I'm not smart enough 567 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: because I slipped, And so I said, I won't slip 568 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: no more. My dad always used to tell me, said, 569 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: the next log I get all won't be this damn slippery. 570 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: So I used to always say that the next log 571 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: I get all won't be this damn slippery. And so 572 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,959 Speaker 1: when I when I went back to the streets, because 573 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: I got six months in the county jail, and so 574 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: when I went back to the streets, then I changed 575 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: it up, and I changed the people that was around 576 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: me almost to zero um. And then I just started 577 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: going at it a different way. So I was hardly 578 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: ever on the scene. Uh, my guys did most did 579 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: all of the work. I still backed my own stuff 580 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: at the time or whatever, go buy it and bag it. 581 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: Then I got to a point where I didn't go 582 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: and buy it. Other people when bought it, other people 583 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: brought it back, other people cut it up. And I 584 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: already know how much I'm supposed to get off of 585 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: every key or whatever I bought, you know, and so, um, 586 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: I was always I have faded to black basically. Then 587 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: I had a couple of police officers that was working 588 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: on my payroll that kept me well informed and so 589 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: and we almost got caught with that and had to 590 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: go had police had interrogate me and him, and I 591 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: was like, man, what did you telling myself? Y'all got me? 592 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: You you at he's not telling and I'm not telling, 593 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: So you have nothing, you know. I So that was 594 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: that was So how did you link up with the cartel? 595 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: Because that's like a really big thing. I would I 596 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: was mad. Yeah, he he just looked like he sold 597 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: drugs and I don't know, I could just sense a person. 598 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: I don't know. But anyways, we got to talking, and um, 599 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: one conversation led to another and then and that that 600 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: was a plug, you know. And I was always looking 601 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: for major plugs, you know. So I would just I 602 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: would I would leave town and go to Birmingham or 603 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: anywhere and just pull up and just carry on conversation 604 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 1: and and link up with one of the top plugs. 605 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: That's how I looked up What was the biggest truck 606 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: you ever received from the Conflict Show? So how yeah, 607 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: and that two of your keys is where I probably 608 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: right at two to three million dollars. It depends on 609 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: how you bag it up. Oh, if it depends. It 610 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: really depends on how you bag it up. Because if 611 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: I sent it out in all twenties fifties and heard dollars, 612 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: I could well over uh four five million dollars. But 613 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: this question just came to mind. He says, you made 614 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: a lot of money. What's the most expensive thing you 615 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: have about yourself? I had because bm w he that's 616 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: what I bought from myself. I bought those three cars 617 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: um within weeks support uh um and yeah, telling nothing 618 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: that I m I just did crazy stuff. I bought 619 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: my dog. You know those rope chains that the fat 620 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: boys used to wear. I bought my child one. He 621 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: was black and uh and I bought him one. And 622 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: there was a crown and it had diamonds and rubies 623 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: and stuff in at the bottom and said king and 624 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 1: that was his name, And so I bought that at 625 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,919 Speaker 1: the time it was so that was a lot back 626 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 1: there for a change, and he would wear that whenever 627 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: we drive the Jaguar or something. I put that on 628 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: at man. I think he knew the difference he acted, 629 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: and I just wasted a lot of money. I wasted 630 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of money on a lot 631 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: of nothing. Really. I would get a hotel room for 632 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: me and the crew, and we were staying there for months. Um. 633 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: You know, I bought them their clothes and shoes and 634 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: fed them every day. And you know I had about 635 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 1: sixty and seventy guys working for me, and uh, I 636 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: wasted a lot of money. And then some of sometimes 637 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, um, I would throw a parties at the hotel. 638 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: We have their hotels, and um, I just set out 639 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,919 Speaker 1: a half a brick and let them do it there 640 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: they want to do, you know, So I did, you know, 641 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: I not to care of my mom and my brothers 642 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: and you know, my family. One of my favorite stories 643 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,760 Speaker 1: that she was telling was the bubastic yo your faith 644 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: when you was story. Yes, I spent all day making 645 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: it too. Uh. This day it was just in the 646 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: project on board. They had nothing else to do. And 647 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: so it was this metal pipe and it was some wood, 648 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,320 Speaker 1: and so I got the wood because I needed to 649 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: be able to grip it, because I couldn't, you know, 650 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: just hold that pipe like that. So I put the 651 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: wood on there so I could be able to grip 652 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: it and wrapped it with that great tape and so 653 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: paid that stick all day long. I end up having 654 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: to use a couple of times. Um, I hook this 655 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: girl at the club with it, and she was fighting 656 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: it like you didn't even heard her, and uh, ultimately 657 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,879 Speaker 1: I had to put it down and just will her 658 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: real good. But uh, but then we took this guy 659 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: out in the woods and strung his ass up because 660 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: he had broken one of my guys. Uh car and 661 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: show his music. Well, if you still from vill you 662 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: have stole for me. And so so we found out 663 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: who done it, and we took him out in the 664 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 1: woods and we strung him up naked and beat his 665 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: ass with that stick. That's why I called a hoop 666 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 1: a stick. I got a hoop of stick. Now it's 667 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 1: a little bit stick. My little bread baker said, I'm 668 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 1: gonna get off. Came from So you were arrested again, 669 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: but this time it was for murder and you were 670 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: facing the death penalty. But when you went to trial 671 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: things were starting to look up for you. How did 672 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: you know that you was winning the case? Mm hmm, 673 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: Well because my lawyers I had I had the best 674 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: lawyers in Alabama. I had to make Duel McDaniel firm 675 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: and they were top top lawyers, and they kept tripping 676 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: up the the state's witness. So and then the state 677 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: tried to get one of my gods as their witness. 678 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: So then oh yeah, Then on top of that, we're 679 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: talking about a fifteen year old. You didn't even have 680 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: get his mom's permission to question him, so anything he 681 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: said cannot even be admissible. Even so he was not 682 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: turning against me, but he's a child. You can't use it. 683 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: So that that that guy blowed in their face. Uh 684 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 1: right then, and then um, the officers and the investigators 685 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: kept lying in and tripping up because they said, first 686 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: I've done it. Well, then when they found out they 687 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: because they said, well, and what they were trying to 688 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: justify that with is that my my guy he had 689 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: Uh look guy, little fifteen year old. I bought him 690 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 1: a cutlass and it was green. My it was money green, 691 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: and so was my Jaguar was money green. So he's 692 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: they said, um, trying to say that I was in 693 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: a green car. And so the d A said that 694 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: I was in a green Jaguar, but I wasn't my 695 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: dad had my car. I was in his cutlass. And 696 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: so when they said, tell the courts what kind of 697 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: car she was in, they said, she was in a 698 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: green car. Yes, now tell the courts what kind of 699 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 1: car it was? I saw? He said, uh, seventy seven 700 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: was gonna be a cutlass that he could have went 701 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: through on foward. And because he wanted the jury to 702 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: know that I had a Jaguar too, you know that 703 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: that was big. And and so they kept lying, and 704 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 1: my mother told me those a lot of confusion going though. 705 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: And I fasted and prayed through through that. No, baby, 706 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,839 Speaker 1: I fasted for three days. No I would I I 707 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: fast no food, no water, nothing but prayer, nothing but 708 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: my mind focused on the Lord. And I fasted three 709 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,760 Speaker 1: three days. And uh. And so anyways, God prevailed, of course, 710 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: and I was found not guilty. The judge I had 711 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: a jury, and you know it wasn't nothing but God, 712 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: because the next day when we went to court, the 713 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 1: judge said, lead the jury in the deliberating room, and 714 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: counsel's approached the bench. He asked there, he said, last 715 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: night I went to the scene of the crime, and 716 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: where you said, miss she could have possibly seen no 717 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: murder take place. It was over a hundred people up 718 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: and down my highway. They did see it. And I've 719 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: been looking around in my core room and I don't 720 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: see nobody be in charge for her, he said as 721 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: the DA. Did they have any more witnesses put on? 722 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: He said no, And he asked my lawyer, did he 723 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 1: having a witness to put off? He said no, because 724 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: the only mines I had was my daughter. She was 725 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: an infinite and said therefore I had no witness yea, 726 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 1: and so that so he dismissed that I don't have 727 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: a choice but to dismiss this case, he said, to 728 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: acquit on her and case dismissing, He hit the mallet. 729 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: Then he said, oh, and by the way, for the record, 730 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: can and will not ever be uh any charges pertaining 731 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: man and gallop. It walked out, How y'all, that was 732 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 1: Part one of I was the original Queen pen of 733 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 1: the South. Part two is dropping real son, So please 734 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: stay tuned, and I'm telling y'all it's just as good 735 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: as part one. If you have any questions, comments or concerns, 736 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 1: please make sure to email me at hello at the 737 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,399 Speaker 1: PhD podcast dot com. Until next time, everyone later