Speaker 1: Yesterday, I had the opportunity to speak with the one
Speaker 1: and only Candae Owens. For those of you who don't know,
Speaker 1: she's a far right to pundit who's not afraid to
Speaker 1: speak a mind on a variety of topics, even if
Speaker 1: her stance is controversial. She's an African American with conservative views.
Speaker 1: They usually don't sit well with a whole lot of people,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about that before we play
Speaker 1: this interview. See on this show. One of the things
Speaker 1: that have been transpiring over the last weeks and months
Speaker 1: is that we've seen a lot of liberals come on
Speaker 1: to this show. We've seen Eric Adams, the Man of
Speaker 1: New York, on this show. We've seen Minority Leader in
Speaker 1: the House, the one and only Hakeem Jeffries, the successor
Speaker 1: to Nancy Pelosi. You just saw me interview former New
Speaker 1: York governor candidate for the mayor seed of New York,
Speaker 1: mister Andrew Cuomo. You've seen Chris Cuomo on this show
Speaker 1: on many occasions. Bill o'riley's been on this show. Byron Donald,
Speaker 1: representative out of the state of Florida, He's been on
Speaker 1: this show. But when you see these folks and let
Speaker 1: me not forget Wes Moore, the Governor of Maryland. He's
Speaker 1: also been on this show. A lot of times. People
Speaker 1: forget some of those guys. They remember others. Josh Shapiro
Speaker 1: has been on the show, Governor of Pennsylvania. And from
Speaker 1: what I'm being told, there's a whole bunch of people
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill that want to end up on this show,
Speaker 1: and I'm honored to have them all.
Speaker 2: I say all of that to say on this show,
Speaker 2: this platform.
Speaker 1: I pride myself on being fair minded. I'm not an
Speaker 1: officionado when it comes to politics. I'm just a conscientious observer.
Speaker 1: I read the news, I watch stuff on television. I
Speaker 1: see what I see. I wonder about what's going on
Speaker 1: based on the facts that are disseminated to us. I'm
Speaker 1: able to deduce balls and strikes and how to call it,
Speaker 1: and I go from there. With some people, that's not
Speaker 1: good enough, my response is you're going to have to
Speaker 1: get over it. I'm not here to be friends, not
Speaker 1: here to make enemies either, but I am here to
Speaker 1: be fair, and part of fairness is letting people speak
Speaker 1: and giving them an opportunity to express their views, even when.
Speaker 2: I don't agree. With them.
Speaker 1: In the case of Candace Owens, we're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: I got off for twenty five minutes. She's already promised
Speaker 1: that she's coming back on and we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: more lengthier discussion about all the things that entails Candace Owens,
Speaker 1: what makes her who she is.
Speaker 2: But why would I be interested in talking to her?
Speaker 1: It's not just because she's opposite to say, somebody like
Speaker 1: a Roland Martin or an Arreva Martin, who have been analysts,
Speaker 1: left wing analysts.
Speaker 2: I might add that blessed me with their.
Speaker 1: Presence on this show, but it's also to pique my
Speaker 1: curiosity and it edify me to some degree. You see,
Speaker 1: when I think about blacks who are conservatives, I see
Speaker 1: a guy like Officer Tatum out there. I want to
Speaker 1: meet that man. I don't want to talk to that man.
Speaker 1: In terms of black conservatives, like an Officer Tatum, like
Speaker 1: a Canvas Owned, and various others. They piqued my interest.
Speaker 1: Do you know why? Because they deviate from the norm.
Speaker 1: You see, when people make an argument against the Black
Speaker 1: community and they say that we're monolithic and our thinking.
Speaker 1: I don't like that when they say that eighty five
Speaker 1: to ninety percent of.
Speaker 2: The people in a black community are going.
Speaker 1: To vote democratically. Data has always unnerved me for a
Speaker 1: few reasons. Number one, I remember when to B. Johnson
Speaker 1: was quoted as saying, before nineteen sixty four civil rights
Speaker 1: legislation was placed in the law. Put this through, Push
Speaker 1: this legislation through. It will have the negroes vote for us.
Speaker 2: For the next two hundred years.
Speaker 1: And I think about how divided society can be, how
Speaker 1: divided communities can be. You can be Hispanic, you could
Speaker 1: be Dominican, you could be Cuban, you could be Guatemali,
Speaker 1: you could be Venezuelan, and you could be Puerto Rican,
Speaker 1: you could be Mexican. It doesn't matter. You can't go
Speaker 1: to all of them and say, oh, excuse me, we
Speaker 1: got their vote.
Speaker 2: You can't take them for granted.
Speaker 1: You can't go to white too, are Catholics, white to
Speaker 1: are Jewish and say oh.
Speaker 2: We got their vote.
Speaker 1: You can't go to the Asian community and say, oh
Speaker 1: we got their vote.
Speaker 2: We got that a lot.
Speaker 1: But somehow, some way you could say that about us. So,
Speaker 1: on one hand, we have a party which is a democratic party,
Speaker 1: which at least some people in the black community believe
Speaker 1: has taken us for granted because they know they.
Speaker 2: Got to vote.
Speaker 1: And then you got folks on the side of the
Speaker 1: Conservatives who's saying, there's no way in hell were going
Speaker 1: to get the black vote, so why worry about them?
Speaker 1: And as a result, we end up being a disenfranchised community.
Speaker 2: That's the argument we were making before this passed election
Speaker 2: back eight years ago.
Speaker 1: Nine years ago, Trump looked at America, Black America in particular,
Speaker 1: and said, what do you have to lose? Fast forward
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four. He didn't have to say that,
Speaker 1: because we saw a Democratic Party leaning significantly to the
Speaker 1: progressive left with the rhetoric they were spewing, and it
Speaker 1: cost them an election. How do we know that Trump
Speaker 1: won all the swing states, His popularity increased within the
Speaker 1: eighty nine percent of the counties in the United States
Speaker 1: of America, His popularity increased within the black community, within
Speaker 1: the Hispanic community.
Speaker 2: And with young voters.
Speaker 1: And for the first time in twenty years, a Republican
Speaker 1: won the popular vote, not just the electoral college vote.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that should give you cause to pause and to
Speaker 1: stand up and pay attention and no wonder what's the.
Speaker 2: Other side thinking.
Speaker 1: Rather than challenge them on every single thing they think,
Speaker 1: feel and spill, step back, simply ask the question and
Speaker 1: listen to what they have to say, knowing there's another
Speaker 1: day to get into a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2: That's what I decided to do with Candice Owens. Say
Speaker 2: what you will about her.
Speaker 1: She's smart as a whip, highly intelligent, very articulate, and
Speaker 1: doesn't play. There will be times in the future where
Speaker 1: hopefully she and I can get together and butt heads
Speaker 1: over one issue or another, but this interview wasn't the
Speaker 1: time for that. It was my first time ever meeting
Speaker 1: her and speaking to her to my knowledge, and I
Speaker 1: simply wanted to ask some questions out of curiosity, to
Speaker 1: get her response and let that response be heard to
Speaker 1: the masters, no judgment, no pushback. There would be another
Speaker 1: time for that, not this interview now. With only twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes with her, I just wanted to hear how
Speaker 1: she would answer certain questions before I revisit those issues
Speaker 1: and many more with her later. She promised to come back,
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for that. For now, Let's just listen
Speaker 1: in here what she has to say. Your boy, Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith with the one and only Candace Horns take a
Speaker 1: look now. I want to start off by saying, I
Speaker 1: am not responsible for any comments that are about to
Speaker 1: be made.
Speaker 2: I'm just interviewing.
Speaker 1: I'm just listening and hearing from the other side.
Speaker 2: Per Se. Buckle up with the seat belt for this.
Speaker 1: One, because my next guest is considered a controversial figure
Speaker 1: known for her provocative statements and conservative views. She's built
Speaker 1: a successful media brand, which includes a popular podcast and
Speaker 1: a new book called Make Them a Sandwich Why Real
Speaker 1: Women Don't Need Fake Feminism. Despite facing criticism and controversy,
Speaker 1: she remains unapologetic and continues to push boundaries with her
Speaker 1: content and her opinions. Please welcome to The stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith Show, the One and Only Candace Owens.
Speaker 2: Candice, how are you? Pleasure to meet you? How's everything?
Speaker 3: It is great and I'm actually so excited. I kept
Speaker 3: this from your producer because it's too good for me
Speaker 3: not to have told you as we're running live, because
Speaker 3: this is a full circle moment. But I've actually met
Speaker 3: you before. Okay, and my ex boyfriend many years ago
Speaker 3: was a huge stephen A Smith. So we watched you
Speaker 3: and Skip every single morning, and then we went to
Speaker 3: a Knicks game, and.
Speaker 4: He was like, do you think you can get a
Speaker 4: hand get him to give you a handshake?
Speaker 3: And you were coming in under and like after the
Speaker 3: game had ended, you were obviously in the front.
Speaker 4: We were not that close. And I was.
Speaker 3: Like, Stephen I Smith, Stephen I Smith, please please shake.
Speaker 4: My hand, and then he caught it on camera and
Speaker 4: then you gave.
Speaker 3: Me a high five, and it basically made it made
Speaker 3: our whole life, just.
Speaker 1: So you know, well, listen, I'm glad we have a
Speaker 1: farm memory together. But it's a pleasure to meeting you.
Speaker 1: And just for the record, you are not in enemy territory,
Speaker 1: so I've.
Speaker 2: Got a lot of questions to ask you.
Speaker 1: But before I even get into all of that, I
Speaker 1: hear congratulations as an order mother of three expecting a
Speaker 1: fourth child.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 3: That is correct? Eight more weeks to go here. So
Speaker 3: it's just a factory over here. And thank you very much.
Speaker 3: It's a blessing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely congratulations to you and you and you and your
Speaker 1: hubby and your family and everything like that. Wishing you
Speaker 1: nothing but the best. Let's get right to it, Candice.
Speaker 1: First things first, you know, when you saw the election
Speaker 1: results take fold and you saw Donald Trump win the election,
Speaker 1: popular vote, electoral college vote, et cetera, et cetera. What
Speaker 1: were the thoughts that ran through your mind when you
Speaker 1: saw the results transpiring?
Speaker 3: You know, I think that the first thing I thought
Speaker 3: was that old school expression, it's the economy stupid. You know,
Speaker 3: we've done a lot and everyone's screaming at each other
Speaker 3: all the time. There's been all these social movements and
Speaker 3: key versus her and black versus white. But at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, people just weren't living well under
Speaker 3: the Biden regime. I call it a regime, but it
Speaker 3: it gets down to how was I living? What were
Speaker 3: the gas prices? How expensive are groceries? Are you willing
Speaker 3: to try something different? And I think genuinely, there's a
Speaker 3: fatigue that is setting in, that has set in, that
Speaker 3: was beginning to sort of percolate of people that are
Speaker 3: just exhausted with being angry.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Like the media constantly selling.
Speaker 3: This guy's this, this guy's that, she's this, she's that.
Speaker 3: I think we're all just tired and that's kind of
Speaker 3: a good thing.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Donald Trump won the election or
Speaker 1: that the progressive left and their thought process, their policy,
Speaker 1: some of the things that they were spewing. It was
Speaker 1: more product of them losing. That's what I've been saying.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about him winning. It was about America saying, nah,
Speaker 1: he's closer to normal than what the hell we're hearing
Speaker 1: over here.
Speaker 2: We don't like this, and that's what transpire. What do
Speaker 2: you think it was?
Speaker 4: You are completely on the money with that.
Speaker 3: It was really more that the left lost, and it
Speaker 3: was a weird. It was very strange to watch Kamala run.
Speaker 3: I will say that because she really only ran for
Speaker 3: one hundred days, right, Trump had been running throughout four years,
Speaker 3: basically kind of up a loss in twenty twenty, and
Speaker 3: she kind of just comes in and.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a coronation, which I think.
Speaker 3: Was disrespectful to the left leading voter base, Like it
Speaker 3: was just, well, he has kind of said he's knighted me,
Speaker 3: and therefore I am the person that you should be electing.
Speaker 3: And she didn't really work for and rather was I
Speaker 3: think quite accusatory. If you don't elect her, it's because
Speaker 3: you have an issue with women. I don't think Obama's
Speaker 3: speech to the brothers, the quote unquote brothers helped him any.
Speaker 3: He's he's been gone. He's in Martha's vineyard, living in
Speaker 3: a house god knows how much it costs, not something
Speaker 3: I could afford. And stead he kind of reappears to
Speaker 3: sort of lecture the brothers about their responsibility, and I
Speaker 3: just don't think it's sat well this time around, just
Speaker 3: a different time, a different audience, and people kind of realizing, Hey,
Speaker 3: that's not really enough. Paint me a vision, tell me
Speaker 3: what you're actually going to do for me. Don't tell
Speaker 3: me that it's just simply my responsibility to give this
Speaker 3: woman votes because she's a woman.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I want to transition to Trump back to Trump in
Speaker 1: this regard.
Speaker 2: I we just saw it a world just so it
Speaker 2: wasn't a press conference or anything like that. I don't
Speaker 2: call it that.
Speaker 1: Him with Ukrainian President Zelensky and how he went at
Speaker 1: him and what have you now Zalinski. If I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: you didn't speak too highly of him, am I. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure I'm calling you act accurately. You
Speaker 1: called them a homosexual actor?
Speaker 2: Is that true? Did you call him that?
Speaker 3: I also just called him the neighborhood crackhead kind of
Speaker 3: just goes around asking for money.
Speaker 4: I've called him a welfare queen. Ghetto. This is the thing.
Speaker 4: The media kind of had me depict it throughout.
Speaker 3: BLM as this person that uses these words to describe
Speaker 3: black people.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, let's be very clear.
Speaker 3: When I am calling somebody like Zelensky a welfare queen,
Speaker 3: there's a reason for that. You come here with your handout, asking, asking, asking,
Speaker 3: making demands. It's funny because I was having a discussion
Speaker 3: with my husband about this, and you know, it's people
Speaker 3: that tend to need the most that make these sorts
Speaker 3: of demands, and they're so arrogant. He's taken billions away,
Speaker 3: unaccounted billions, by the way, So you and I have
Speaker 3: to get to work because Zolenski wants his borders protected
Speaker 3: and we can't have our borders protected because that would
Speaker 3: be a race. This thing to ask for, but he's
Speaker 3: allowed to demand that you and I get to work
Speaker 3: because he spent all the billions.
Speaker 4: His wife is shopping in Paris.
Speaker 3: The oligarchs in Ukraine are all buying yachts, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I have absolutely no respect for him, but I want
Speaker 3: to say I have not respected that man since day one.
Speaker 4: This is not something that's new. I just I just
Speaker 4: saw him coming.
Speaker 1: It's not something that's new. But what about Trump and
Speaker 1: Dvance and how they conducted up sols. You and I
Speaker 1: might disagree on this particular issue because I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with what you're saying in terms of I was on
Speaker 1: the record saying, listen, you're coming with your hand out.
Speaker 2: You need money. You might you might not want to
Speaker 2: be confrontation.
Speaker 1: You might want to be a bit more diplomatic Zalisky,
Speaker 1: because you're the one that's in need. And Trump wasn't
Speaker 1: wrong when he said, oh, you don't have any of
Speaker 1: the cause. You don't have any of the cause. The
Speaker 1: flip side to it, however, is that the press conference in.
Speaker 2: The Oval Office.
Speaker 1: We know if this is the White House, this isn't,
Speaker 1: this isn't some place in Ukraine. And he's got broken English,
Speaker 1: and you got the Vice president interrupted them, you got them.
Speaker 2: I thought, somewhat bullying him.
Speaker 1: To some degree. I just didn't think it was necessary.
Speaker 1: It was a good look. That's where I'm coming from.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong and feeling Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I think you're perfectly.
Speaker 3: I mean, these are your feelings, they're valid, right, if
Speaker 3: that's how you felt for me, I felt it was refreshing.
Speaker 3: I'm so tired of politics. I know they always button
Speaker 3: it up for us. They're constantly telling us, oh this,
Speaker 3: and saying things that sound good but don't actually result
Speaker 3: in good things. And I think it was sort of
Speaker 3: the frustration of how much he has taken from America
Speaker 3: to not come with some respect.
Speaker 4: And I likened it too.
Speaker 3: Even when you go to your granddad's house and it's
Speaker 3: your birthday, your mom kind of makes you.
Speaker 4: Wear something special.
Speaker 3: You know he's going to give you a car and
Speaker 3: slip some cash in there, one hundred dollars. Granddad's always
Speaker 3: good for that, and you just come with some decorum
Speaker 3: and some respect. This dude is wearing he has been
Speaker 3: wearing military fatigues for like five years. Now, okay, put
Speaker 3: on a suit. As soon as he gets out of
Speaker 3: the car. Trump's like, well, he's drum addressed up.
Speaker 4: This should let you know.
Speaker 3: It's just signal to the public that what he's doing
Speaker 3: is an act. Why give me a scenario, a reason
Speaker 3: why he can't put on a suit, even if you're
Speaker 3: in the midst of a war, Why can't you put
Speaker 3: on a suit?
Speaker 4: When you're coming to ask for money.
Speaker 3: Well, because he wants people to see him as a
Speaker 3: guy that's downtrodden in the trenches.
Speaker 4: And he's not that.
Speaker 3: This guy's been on the cover of Vanity Fair, he's
Speaker 3: been on the cover of Vogue, He's been on the
Speaker 3: cover of Forbes. He's doing photo shoots, he did a
Speaker 3: three hour podcast with Lex Friedman. He asked and was
Speaker 3: declined a spot to go to the Oscars a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago.
Speaker 4: And so this is making a mockery. It's just making
Speaker 4: them put on a suit.
Speaker 2: See you.
Speaker 1: Now, this is why, this is why people gotta be
Speaker 1: careful about messing with you, Because I was.
Speaker 2: Getting ready to disagree with you until.
Speaker 1: You threw out those last thing. I didn't know he
Speaker 1: tried to go to the Oscars. I didn't know he
Speaker 1: tried to be uncomfort I didn't know that stuff. Candas,
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't know. Okay, that does change it a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 4: It's a literal actor, by the way. You know that
Speaker 4: that I know.
Speaker 2: That, I know that, I know what.
Speaker 1: I will say this on any sympathy for the fact
Speaker 1: that Russia did attack his nation.
Speaker 2: I mean that that there's some sympathy for that.
Speaker 1: Right, we see the rubble, we see the catastrophe that
Speaker 1: is Ukraine. We've seen Putin bombing them for crying no,
Speaker 1: and we've seen that happen, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the thing for me is, and the reason why
Speaker 3: I say that I've been I've had this opinion since
Speaker 3: the very beginning, is I don't rely on politicians.
Speaker 4: I think all politicians lie.
Speaker 3: And so I was reading the transcripts leading up to
Speaker 3: this moment of Putin's speeches and Biden's speeches and trying
Speaker 3: to discern what the truth was, and Putin was saying,
Speaker 3: you guys gave us assurances that NATO was not going
Speaker 3: to expand one inch eastward into our territory. Essentially, NATO
Speaker 3: is a military. We were putting a military on his border.
Speaker 3: Despite in nineteen eighty nine when the Berlin Wall came
Speaker 3: down as a condition an agreement for them to agree
Speaker 3: to take down the Berlin Wall, we promised and you
Speaker 3: can go look at this inn NSA declassified documents. James
Speaker 3: Baker was the Secretary of State at that time. We
Speaker 3: promised them that we would never move NATO eastward. So
Speaker 3: you have to imagine the memory that they have, and
Speaker 3: they're going, why are you now doing that?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, we're saying that Ukraine is going
Speaker 3: to join NATO, and he's saying this is unacceptable.
Speaker 4: America can't keep changing its mind.
Speaker 3: And so when I was able to validate what he
Speaker 3: said and to read the speeches, you cannot walk away
Speaker 3: from that without an understanding that we are the aggressors.
Speaker 3: Everything that we say Russia is doing, recreating the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4: We are doing that. What is the European Union? What
Speaker 4: is NATO?
Speaker 3: And we've been getting away for it for too long
Speaker 3: under this guise of quote unquote spreading democracy. So I
Speaker 3: fundamentally disagreed with what I saw as Western propaganda trying
Speaker 3: to paint Puntin as a monster for holding us to
Speaker 3: our promises and not telling the public that he just
Speaker 3: randomly woke up one day and just said I want
Speaker 3: you know, I want to do hood rests up with
Speaker 3: my friends and he went into Ukraine.
Speaker 4: That's not that's a fairy tale. That's not what happened.
Speaker 3: And not beyond that, like you saw when he sat
Speaker 3: down with Tucker Carlson, he asked to join NATO himself.
Speaker 3: Why are we not having a productive relationship with Russia.
Speaker 4: I call that Cold War hangover.
Speaker 3: People that grew up under their desks afraid of a
Speaker 3: nuclear bomb can never see Russia outside of being villainous
Speaker 3: and quite frankly, I think Zelensky is a He suspended elections,
Speaker 3: he's locked down churches, he's locked up nuns.
Speaker 4: I'm a Christian. I don't like this guy at all.
Speaker 1: Can as always being quite honest, I get that part.
Speaker 1: Let me transition to you, specifically to get to the
Speaker 1: real reason I wanted you on this podcast. First, before
Speaker 1: I even get into that, I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: I know your voice is very, very powerful. For those
Speaker 1: of you who don't know, top ten on Spotify, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're one of the top podcasters in the nation, if
Speaker 1: not the world. I know everybody tries to listen to you,
Speaker 1: and they should because you are not an idiot. You
Speaker 1: know what the hell you're talking about, and you can
Speaker 1: challenge anybody, and I give you credit for that. I
Speaker 1: got to ask, however, though, leading up to the election,
Speaker 1: your voice was far more conspicuous in the past, over
Speaker 1: the last several years.
Speaker 2: Than it was right before the election.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong in saying that? And if I'm writing
Speaker 1: saying that why was that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there were some life changes.
Speaker 3: Obviously, I was pretty publicly fired, so there was a
Speaker 3: lot of things that I was just doing, trying to
Speaker 3: start my own business and to get back onto the airwaves.
Speaker 3: But going back to what I said earlier, I have
Speaker 3: had sort of a fatigue with politics, you know. I
Speaker 3: was quite bored really with the same arguments. I need
Speaker 3: a little bit of a challenge, and for me, I
Speaker 3: just I like people to argue things honestly. Whatever your
Speaker 3: opinion is, it's totally fine, but just let's argue honestly
Speaker 3: and not use all the same rhetoric. And so to
Speaker 3: be this far into it's is like the third time
Speaker 3: Trump is running and we're seeing the same thing.
Speaker 4: Oh, everyone who supports him is a racist, is sexist.
Speaker 4: I'm just bored, you know.
Speaker 3: And I've always, by the way, been very passionate about culture, vaccines.
Speaker 3: I'm also a mom now, so in the beginning I
Speaker 3: was married, I had no children. Now my interests have
Speaker 3: naturally shifted since becoming a parent, and so I think
Speaker 3: people are seeing more sides of me.
Speaker 4: And in many ways, I'm growing up.
Speaker 3: Publicly, and it's been refreshing, you know, refreshing to kind
Speaker 3: of take people on the journey and to show people
Speaker 3: that I'm not just a Trump supporter, which the media
Speaker 3: did a very good job of painting that caricature of me.
Speaker 2: You don't think that's an act. You don't think that's
Speaker 2: an ad.
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a caricature, but you
Speaker 1: don't think that's an accurate description of you as being
Speaker 1: a Trump supporter.
Speaker 3: No, I am a Trump supporter, but I'm not just
Speaker 3: a Trump supp And I think in the beginning they
Speaker 3: kind of made it seem like I was always angry,
Speaker 3: always talking bad about black people, which is like any
Speaker 3: person that listens to my podcast, white people get it
Speaker 3: ten times worse. But the media will only pluck a
Speaker 3: clip when I'm speaking about a black issue and then it's, oh,
Speaker 3: there she is again saying stuff about black people. They
Speaker 3: did a very good job of conditioning I would say,
Speaker 3: the public, just via the mainstream media and flashy headlines,
Speaker 3: to think that I had, like they call me like
Speaker 3: a self hating black person.
Speaker 4: It was completely wild. It was out of it was
Speaker 4: out of control.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, this is the thing, and this is the
Speaker 1: thing that gets me in trouble because obviously me being
Speaker 1: a black man, b being a centrist sort of center
Speaker 1: left as opposed to center right. I've been one that
Speaker 1: was inclined to vote democratic, you know, at least for
Speaker 1: the presidency for the vast majority of my life. If
Speaker 1: it was anybody other than Trump, I think I would
Speaker 1: have voted conservative this time around, I'm sort of becoming
Speaker 1: even more enlightened.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use that word.
Speaker 1: Because I was so disgusted with the left and what
Speaker 1: I saw. My patience is run thin at times. And
Speaker 1: then I've listened to you over the years and the
Speaker 1: things that I didn't like is like, will you just
Speaker 1: describe what people would say about you? And I'm saying, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, is she wrong? What is she saying
Speaker 1: that you disagree? How Come you can't say you disagree
Speaker 1: with and make your points as to why like she does,
Speaker 1: as opposed to just attacking her. Which brings me to
Speaker 1: my next question, what's it like being a black conservative
Speaker 1: in America?
Speaker 2: Nobody better how asked this question than you.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's a hell of a lot easier than it
Speaker 3: was when I first got into this back in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: because people that was the first time they saw Trump
Speaker 3: and people just could not see past how could this
Speaker 3: possibly happen. I think the media had a stronger hold
Speaker 3: on people's minds then that it does now.
Speaker 4: Now we've seen the explosion of independent media.
Speaker 3: People are able to get their voices out outside of
Speaker 3: the New York Times and CNN and Fox News, and
Speaker 3: that's helped tremendously to defeat all of these media caricatures
Speaker 3: that are being created.
Speaker 4: But I find it now it's pioneering.
Speaker 3: To put it in a nice way, and I think
Speaker 3: it's the most rewarding thing ever, when what I have
Speaker 3: found is that if you just stand for truth, even
Speaker 3: in the beginning when it's really hard and people say
Speaker 3: terrible things about you and I've been called everything you
Speaker 3: could possibly imagine, then there's that moment, even if it
Speaker 3: takes years, where they they do come back and they
Speaker 3: say you were right, particularly about BLM. I mean, I
Speaker 3: was hitting the drum about the finances so early, and
Speaker 3: I'm going this like, I'm not saying that you don't
Speaker 3: have feelings about this thing, but I am telling you
Speaker 3: something else is going on and this is not This
Speaker 3: is going to harm the black community in the end,
Speaker 3: this money is just going to be zapped out of communities,
Speaker 3: and communities are going to be destroyed. And then when
Speaker 3: that was proven right, it was so refreshing to hear
Speaker 3: people say, yeah, we kind of hated her for a
Speaker 3: really long time. We're kind of saying this for a
Speaker 3: really long time. And then you know the fraud of
Speaker 3: Patrice's colors and what they were doing with the money,
Speaker 3: and so my brain just works differently. I am different,
Speaker 3: and I'm happy being different. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: the same, but I also do respect. I think I've
Speaker 3: learned in the process as well, is to just respect
Speaker 3: where people are at.
Speaker 4: You know, I wasn't. My sisters did not like where
Speaker 4: I was at when I started.
Speaker 2: How many how many? How many sisters do you have?
Speaker 3: I have two sisters and they're they're my best friends.
Speaker 3: So one is a year older, ones a year younger.
Speaker 4: So I grew up. Were like a trio.
Speaker 2: They stay with you, they gives you, they stand with you. Huh.
Speaker 4: Well, they just didn't really care to me. That's Candice.
Speaker 3: I've always been different, you know, and they didn't know
Speaker 3: what I was on or what I was thinking. And
Speaker 3: now this last election, they voted for Trump, which is crazy,
Speaker 3: Like that means they were fully on the left and
Speaker 3: they just sort of saw it, and so it's just
Speaker 3: been cool to see that and they now like my podcast.
Speaker 4: Before they didn't even listen to it, but we always had.
Speaker 3: I grew up obviously in a not obviously, but my
Speaker 3: family's has a great sense of humor. And that was
Speaker 3: one of the worst things they hated about BLM is
Speaker 3: that I've always thought that black people culturally like we're like,
Speaker 3: we're the funniest, We're the funniest. You always want to
Speaker 3: go listen to Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, and you saw
Speaker 3: that removal where everything was just taken so seriously, were
Speaker 3: so easily offended, And I hated it that I thought
Speaker 3: the best parts of what the black culture represented to
Speaker 3: me growing up was removed. And for me and my sisters,
Speaker 3: they never cared. Like I'd be like, can you watch
Speaker 3: my cat? I have to go to a Trump thing,
Speaker 3: and my sister would be like, oh, you're going to
Speaker 3: another one of your clansmen rallies, Like yeah, I'll watch
Speaker 3: your cat.
Speaker 4: You know, it's always a joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I get it, And I guess for me
Speaker 1: because I think about it, and I remember when you
Speaker 1: showed up.
Speaker 2: I believe it was in Paris.
Speaker 1: You were with Kanye West, and you were wearing the
Speaker 1: White Lives Matters, White Lives Matter shirt and what have you.
Speaker 2: And I said, damn, And I was upset. I was
Speaker 2: actually upset at you.
Speaker 1: And here's why, Candas, because I looked at it and
Speaker 1: I said, no, don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 2: Don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 1: You can sit up there and you can talk to
Speaker 1: folks about your views, what you know and educate folks
Speaker 1: without them being closed minded because they saw something and
Speaker 1: visualized something and automatically deemed that you were.
Speaker 2: Against us as a people.
Speaker 1: So I mean, as you reflect on a moment like
Speaker 1: that and you talk about the black community and politics, how.
Speaker 2: Do you feel, how do you gauge what's the.
Speaker 1: Right thing to do and what's not the right thing
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 3: You know, for me, the discussion and polite discussion, it
Speaker 3: doesn't work. I have found that you can go back
Speaker 3: and watch me on stage with TI and Killer Mike,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't work with the black community. And I
Speaker 3: have a theory on this, and I think partially it's
Speaker 3: because we have this instance of father absence, but that we.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of attitudes.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of attitudes, and if you try to
Speaker 3: come politely, you're just gonna get disrespected. And so in
Speaker 3: terms of the white Lives Matter shirt, first off, Kanye,
Speaker 3: that's how he communicates. He communicates with art. That's like,
Speaker 3: this was Kanye's thing that I was stepping into. But
Speaker 3: I understood what he was saying there because he is
Speaker 3: someone that does not like no one puts Kanye in
Speaker 3: the corner. No one tells Kanye what he has to be.
Speaker 3: And so when you start saying, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 3: superimpose you just being a black victim on someone like
Speaker 3: Kanye West. And you know, he hated when white people
Speaker 3: would come up to him and say black lives matter.
Speaker 3: So he's like, Okay, you want to patronize me, let
Speaker 3: me patronize you.
Speaker 4: Your life matters.
Speaker 3: Too, Like oh yeah, like white white lives matter too,
Speaker 3: and I want you to know that white lives matter,
Speaker 3: your life matters. He never liked that, uh yeah, the
Speaker 3: patronization of it. And so I and I felt the
Speaker 3: same way, and we communicate differently. I usually am using
Speaker 3: more bombastic words, but that moment, to me, especially as
Speaker 3: someone who grew up and really Kanye's music kind of
Speaker 3: gave me the courage to be myself, to have to
Speaker 3: be an archetype of what a black woman should be.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was a moment for me that I reflect on
Speaker 3: very fondly. And yeah, it broke the internet and there
Speaker 3: it started a lot of conversations. But imagine if black
Speaker 3: people were just like, yeah, every time I saw a
Speaker 3: white person, I'm with your white life matters.
Speaker 4: It's just there's something about it. I just don't like.
Speaker 4: It wasn't from me.
Speaker 2: You brought up the use of bombastic words.
Speaker 1: You used that with George Floyd as well, who was
Speaker 1: murdered by a police officer in Minnesota, and obviously a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the black community had a real
Speaker 1: problem with you as it pertained to that.
Speaker 2: That brings me to this question, when you take these positions,
Speaker 2: does it enter your mind.
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word vitriol because I
Speaker 1: think that's a bit too strong and that's unfair.
Speaker 2: To you and I don't want to do that. But
Speaker 2: when you consider the fact that so.
Speaker 1: Many people in the black community have voted democratic senis
Speaker 1: the civil rights legislation in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2: Remember what Linda B.
Speaker 1: Johnson said that, you know, did you pass this legislation
Speaker 1: and we'll have the negroes vote for us for the
Speaker 1: next two hundred years.
Speaker 2: Remember that statement. I know, I remember that statement. I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: because of.
Speaker 1: Your knowledge of politics, your obvious knowledge of the issues,
Speaker 1: when you speak on these things and you take positions
Speaker 1: about you take such positions, particularly if it's antithetical or
Speaker 1: the antithesis of what the black community will point to,
Speaker 1: do you think about it and do so on purpose?
Speaker 1: Because dare I say you're disgusted with us as a
Speaker 1: community for being hoodwinked by the Democratic Party in your eyes?
Speaker 2: Is that possible?
Speaker 3: So that's a very good question, and disgusted would not
Speaker 3: be the right term for it. Frustrated, yes, and constantly
Speaker 3: trying to give people the facts so that they understand
Speaker 3: and that we Lyndon Bange Johnson was an avowed racist
Speaker 3: and he hated us, and yet we are doing everything
Speaker 3: that he wanted us to do.
Speaker 4: We are reacting emotionally and not rationally. We seem to
Speaker 4: be a stereotype of irrationality.
Speaker 3: Actually, all we have to do is make them feel
Speaker 3: something and they won't react.
Speaker 4: And I want to be clear, it's not just Black Americans.
Speaker 3: The Me Too movement was another manifestation of that very
Speaker 3: you know, That's why I'm doing with Harvey Weinstein series.
Speaker 4: But what really does upset me about the black.
Speaker 3: Community is that the manner in which we defend criminals,
Speaker 3: you will not find this in any other community. Okay,
Speaker 3: so black, black, white, white person gets shot killed unarmed.
Speaker 3: They're not coming out. White people are not coming out
Speaker 3: and burning down their own neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: Right, they're gonna be.
Speaker 1: Did you see the black community attack me for going
Speaker 1: off about oh JB is celebrated.
Speaker 2: Did you see that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 3: They conditioned us to actually defend the worst in our communities.
Speaker 4: They just will let it go.
Speaker 3: You think Chinese people are gonna run outside if they're like,
Speaker 3: well this and this guy was high on fentanel, he
Speaker 3: gotten to brush up with police officers and he died.
Speaker 3: Chinese people will be like especially Asian Asian moms are
Speaker 3: just dead serious.
Speaker 4: They'd be like, you idiot, you know, good for you,
Speaker 4: So you're you're an embarrassment. Never come home. This is
Speaker 4: how Asian women are.
Speaker 3: They have a standard you think Jewish people are coming
Speaker 3: outside and gonna, you know, rally around, and you know
Speaker 3: they all know that they think of as like a
Speaker 3: natural process. We don't want to associate with that. And
Speaker 3: we have the exact opposite mindset. And when I say
Speaker 3: the exact opposite, I mean also the reverse of that,
Speaker 3: being that the most educated and the most accomplished people
Speaker 3: in our community in terms of their intellect.
Speaker 4: We reject. How can we ever get ahead?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Oh, Conda, Liz a Rice. No, she's a trader. She's
Speaker 3: an uncle Tom. Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice, He's a trader.
Speaker 4: He's an uncle Tom.
Speaker 3: Doctor Ben Carson, a literal brain surgeon. Black people will
Speaker 3: call him stupid.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: So there's no way Black America can get ahead with that,
Speaker 3: With that backwards mindset where you put you put George
Speaker 3: Floyd on a T shirt and you denigrate and disrespect
Speaker 3: someone like Clarence Thomas.
Speaker 4: I'm just not with it. You know, you got a.
Speaker 1: New platform called Club Canvas, and I'm wondering how important
Speaker 1: is you.
Speaker 2: I know it's you're.
Speaker 1: Going to speak your truth. You have proven that time
Speaker 1: and Tom and Tom again. Okay, but in the process
Speaker 1: of doing. So, as you have this new platform, how
Speaker 1: important is it for you, if at all, to reach
Speaker 1: and resonate with the black community or to really really
Speaker 1: provoke change all across the board, particularly in the United
Speaker 1: States of America.
Speaker 2: Where do you lie with that?
Speaker 4: Yef?
Speaker 3: The number one thing is for me to reach people
Speaker 3: who want to hear the truth, and so that comes
Speaker 3: in all different shapes and sizes and colors, and our
Speaker 3: demographics have really changed or just it's very mixed people
Speaker 3: all around the world like I have. Shockingly, I would
Speaker 3: say in Africa they absolutely love me. I mean, like
Speaker 3: the amount of Nigerian to listen to my podcast Daily Uganda.
Speaker 3: So it's not a color thing. It's important for me
Speaker 3: to get information out there I don't think would otherwise
Speaker 3: be available. So with Club Candace, you know, I have
Speaker 3: my vaccine series. I am quote unquote anti VAXX. Don't
Speaker 3: vaccinate my children, and I want people to know why.
Speaker 3: I want people, especially if you want to talk about
Speaker 3: something Black Americans should learn about, it's the vaccine industry.
Speaker 3: We were targeted, you know, what was sent over to
Speaker 3: Africa to experiment and make people infertile. Hispanic women, Native
Speaker 3: Americans and black Americans were experiments on and this is
Speaker 3: the stuff that matters. And so also, obviously the book
Speaker 3: club to introduce him to the books that I read
Speaker 3: outside of the school system that kind of helped forge
Speaker 3: a lot of my opinions, a lot of my political opinions.
Speaker 4: And so that's really fun that we meet every two weeks.
Speaker 3: And so it's you just getting kind of whatever goes
Speaker 3: on in this headquarters of crazy.
Speaker 4: It's all happening at club Candice.
Speaker 1: Make them a sandwich. Why real women don't need fake feminism?
Speaker 1: Explain that title, please.
Speaker 3: We just need to destroy the feminist movement. It's just
Speaker 3: so toxic. And I think that on the heels of
Speaker 3: Kamala's loss. And you know this, women are unhappy because
Speaker 3: they're being told to compete with men.
Speaker 4: We are not like men.
Speaker 3: We are not built like men biologically, mentally, physically, we
Speaker 3: are just not men. And the idea that to be
Speaker 3: equal in society I have to have the same aspirations
Speaker 3: as a man is going to be something that makes
Speaker 3: women chronically unhappy, which is what we're dealing with today
Speaker 3: and learning the real history of feminism and I'm mimicking
Speaker 3: Gloria Stein. I'm a famed photo of her, who was
Speaker 3: actually a CIA operative, will wake people up to the
Speaker 3: fact that these decisions that you're being that are being
Speaker 3: told to you of Like, yes, feminist movement was amazing.
Speaker 3: Was the CIA looking for a way to tax household
Speaker 3: wholesold households two ways? And it has not led to
Speaker 3: the enriching of the household. It has not led to
Speaker 3: the enriching of our life experiences. And the biggest joys
Speaker 3: in my life are being able to be at home
Speaker 3: with my children and my husband, and I'm just tired
Speaker 3: of being told that that makes me somehow backwards.
Speaker 4: You got to defend men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, hey, listen, I'm not compleatly. I'm not
Speaker 1: complay about that matter a little bit, al right. You
Speaker 1: reach interviewed former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein from prison. Why
Speaker 1: did you want to talk to him and what was
Speaker 1: the most surprising thing you.
Speaker 2: Got from it?
Speaker 3: I have been a hater of the me two movementsince
Speaker 3: Stay one, even before I had sons and now I
Speaker 3: have three. I knew that we need due process and
Speaker 3: watching men lose their entire lives on the basis of
Speaker 3: an allegation, and I could have literally ruined your life, Stephen.
Speaker 4: I could have been like he touched my.
Speaker 3: Hand at that NIXT game and I remember this and
Speaker 3: cro you've been done, canceled over forever. And that's wrong, okay,
Speaker 3: because women lie, men lie, women lie, facts don't lie,
Speaker 3: and we need due process. And so the Harvey Weinstea case,
Speaker 3: someone brought it to me and said, take a look
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 4: And I actually thought he was.
Speaker 3: Guilty when I first got on the phone with him
Speaker 3: in prison and were totally on different sides of the
Speaker 3: political spectrum. But a friend had reached out and said,
Speaker 3: I think you'll be the only person that will actually
Speaker 3: take a look at this and tell the truth. And
Speaker 3: I've just always been committed to telling the truth and
Speaker 3: it is my belief. And I think that once I
Speaker 3: show the public the facts of this case, that Harvey
Speaker 3: Weinstein was wrongfully convicted and his a CASI just got
Speaker 3: overturned in New York as it should have, and now
Speaker 3: it's being sent back down in the appellate courts. He
Speaker 3: got so it's got to be retried, and I just
Speaker 3: want the We got to go back to the beginning.
Speaker 3: We got to put this genie back into the bottle
Speaker 3: and back into the me too bottle, and it all
Speaker 3: begins with Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 4: And so I'm really excited about bringing that series for it.
Speaker 2: Got you before I let you get on out of here.
Speaker 1: You know, my producers and my issue mispronounced Kamala Harris's
Speaker 1: name twice.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure you didn't do that on purpose.
Speaker 4: No, I just don't know how what is it? Is it?
Speaker 2: Kamala, Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris, Kamala.
Speaker 4: Hass That's what I said. I said Kamala this right.
Speaker 1: I'm just well, don't worry about it. It's okay, It's
Speaker 1: all right, you said Kamala, but don't worry about it
Speaker 1: in terms of me.
Speaker 4: She's got an issue.
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 1: Listen, I know you gotta go. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: I just want to say one thing to you. I've
Speaker 1: interviewed a lot of liberals on this show. I'm telling
Speaker 1: the conservatives they're welcome on the show too. If I'm wrong, correctly,
Speaker 1: if I'm right, agree with me, I have no I'm
Speaker 1: not in this game contrary to what they've been right
Speaker 1: about it. I like being fair minded and giving everybody
Speaker 1: an equal platform. Rest themselves, and I appreciate you taking
Speaker 1: the time to come on the show. I really thank
Speaker 1: you for it, and you're welcome back on the show anytime.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: I would love to come back.
Speaker 3: Like I said, this feels so full circle to me,
Speaker 3: from the high five to this, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Works for me. You take care of yourself all the best.
Speaker 1: I want to get in to what we just heard
Speaker 1: from Candice Hounds. Okay, be clear, I'm fully aware. You
Speaker 1: heard her comments about Kanye, you heard her answering my question,
Speaker 1: you heard the way she answered my question about George Floyd.
Speaker 1: The primary reason I wanted her on this show was
Speaker 1: because I was curious as to how she felt as
Speaker 1: a black conservative, particularly as it pertained to black people,
Speaker 1: because of the vitriol that I've seen aimed in her direction.
Speaker 1: Are there times where I feel that she's a bit abrasive?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Are I feel she's that way unnecessarily so? Yeah, Even
Speaker 1: she acknowledged she just don't have time, the mother three,
Speaker 1: expecting a fourth kid, preoccupied with a lot of things
Speaker 1: that occupy ourselves in life, and she don't have patience
Speaker 1: intolerance for nonsense and games. That's how she feels. Everybody
Speaker 1: has their feelings. We have a right to disagree. And again,
Speaker 1: when we have a lengthier discussion, I will most certainly
Speaker 1: be a bit more probing and challenging. This wasn't the
Speaker 1: time for that, my first time meeting her, my first
Speaker 1: time talking to her. I wanted to hear what she
Speaker 1: had to say, and I wanted to hear the perspective
Speaker 1: that she provided to the masters out there, and how
Speaker 1: unapologetic she is in doing so.
Speaker 2: I got that, and I appreciate it, because.
Speaker 1: Here's what I want everybody to understand, and I want
Speaker 1: us to understand that we'll never get far till we
Speaker 1: learn to do this, no matter what our emotional state
Speaker 1: of mind is, no matter how turned off we might
Speaker 1: be over the things that people say and a manner.
Speaker 2: In which they say it. Yes it's true. Every truth
Speaker 2: ain't meant to be heard. Yes it's true.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it is about the way you say something instead
Speaker 1: of what you're just saying.
Speaker 2: But far more often than not, the truth is supposed
Speaker 2: to usurp everything.
Speaker 1: And when that young lady speaks, don't even think about
Speaker 1: challenging her intelligence. Don't even think about challenging her ability
Speaker 1: to articulate her point of view. You better know what
Speaker 1: the hell you're talking about when you come at her.
Speaker 1: That's what I take away, just as much as anything else.
Speaker 1: I can't wait until she and I sit face to
Speaker 1: face one day and volley back and forth about what
Speaker 1: we feel, what we believe, what we stand for, and why.
Speaker 1: Cause I'm certainly different than her when it comes to
Speaker 1: some political positions she has taken and beyond. There is
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But I can't deny. She's sharp
Speaker 1: as attack, and you damn well better be if you
Speaker 1: gonna come for her. Because ladies and gentlemen like it
Speaker 1: or not, Candice owns she's not going anywhere, even when
Speaker 1: you thought she was gone. She's around number eight on
Speaker 1: Spotify's list of podcasts and climbing, and she's in her thirties.
Speaker 1: She's not going away. No matter what summer you want,
Speaker 1: She's not going away.
Speaker 2: Deal with that. If not, I get the impression she
Speaker 2: will make you