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Speaker 2: I need that. Good mornings, sweet and Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Nodunk's podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Thursday, October nineteenth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. I'm jay E Skeets here in the

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Speaker 1: Five star Friday. Oh jar is saying, is that crazy?

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Speaker 1: I think we haven't done it since the end last season,

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Speaker 1: What a tease.

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Speaker 2: This week we've had a blast doing some over unders.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we did our NBA Awards Predictions podcast. Go check

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Speaker 2: that one out. If you haven't already wherever you download

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Speaker 2: and listen to podcasts, or here on YouTube calling our

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Speaker 2: shots on a couple of these, and our guy Jerome

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Speaker 2: these as well. So just another reason to subscribe to

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Speaker 2: us on YouTube. I would also like to say congratulations

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Speaker 2: to the Las Vegas Aces and their fans on a

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Speaker 2: second consecutive w NBA championship. Wilson phenomenal in the closeout

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Speaker 2: game there twenty four points, sixteen boards in thirty nine

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Speaker 2: minutes of play. Did you catch any of this or

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Speaker 2: any thoughts here on the Aces going back to back?

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Speaker 1: Tip I tapped in probably about halftime after Survivor was over.

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Speaker 1: Huge comeback by the Aces, Asia Wilson reasserting the fact

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Speaker 1: she's the best player in the league. Also cool to

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Speaker 1: see Sabrina Yenescu just puker guts out live on on camera.

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Speaker 1: That was sick and then like hitting literally sick, still

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Speaker 1: hitting big shots. Came down to the last possession, like

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Speaker 1: that's a classic game right there, and the Aces man

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Speaker 1: they won that without three of their top seven. Candice

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Speaker 1: Parker out for a long time, Chelsea Gray went down

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Speaker 1: kiyas Stoves went down. Dynasty in action right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tough game for Stewie. They're pointing out in the

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Speaker 2: stream team Yeah, three for seventeen. I want to say,

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Speaker 2: not a great night to do that, but yes, congrats

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Speaker 2: to the Aces and their fans. All right, let's get

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Speaker 2: into it because last year this took a long time.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna move with some pace here this morning. We

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Speaker 2: are once again ranking all thirty teams with the tier Maker.

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Speaker 2: We've got five tiers. Okay, title contenders, final four flirts,

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Speaker 2: playoff locks, playing hopefuls, and then the lottery lads. So

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Speaker 2: those bottom basement dwelling teams. So let's start, you know what,

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Western Conference. Yeah, throw a dumbs up.

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Speaker 2: We're always starting with the East. We're always starting with

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Speaker 2: the Atlantic Division. No, not today, We're starting with the West.

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Speaker 2: So let's do it. I believe you've got it fired

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Speaker 2: up on your computer their TK. Yeah, baby, let's have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our first contender ABC later, we're going straight to

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Speaker 1: the d's. The Dallas Mavericks thirty eight and forty four

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Speaker 2: That's where we're picking between sure, you're not convincing either

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Speaker 1: It's not locked until the episode's over. You want to

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Speaker 2: I do, but I'll tell you right now we're dropping

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you did make me sad when we were doing

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Speaker 1: title contenders spot. This one's a bit more interesting. I

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Speaker 2: I think that's where I would put them in that

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Speaker 2: they do not see the Warriors again in a playoff series. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: Am I sleeping on the Warriors? Am I overlooking them?

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Speaker 2: repeat everybody agrees with that, but it got off to

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Speaker 2: a bad start with Draymond and Pool. But man, you

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Speaker 2: got Curry still, you got Clay, you got Wiggins, you

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Speaker 2: hoping at least this is year they finally get something

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Speaker 2: from a Kaminga and Orra Moody. I mean it could

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Speaker 1: I like him as a final four flirt, and I

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Speaker 1: do not like you completely disrespecting Kevon Looney, the only

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Speaker 1: Is who is coming off the bench?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's Chris Paul, so that means it's

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Speaker 1: Looney's an adaptable guy. He went like starter bench starter

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Speaker 1: take some turns on the bench. But honestly, this is

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Speaker 1: I'm sure probably, Like after the trade deadline, I could

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Speaker 2: They're an interesting team because you just said it, all

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, definitely a volatile team. We'll see how

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Speaker 2: it goes throughout the season. Next to our first non

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Speaker 1: What a run.

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Speaker 1: Oh the Houston Cockets Rockets. The Houston Rockets is up next. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where are they? They're still in the lottery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The over under was a surprising thirty one and

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Speaker 1: There are there. They're not a play and hopeful.

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Speaker 1: They're hopefully they're a play and hopeful. If things break correctly,

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Speaker 1: They'll definitely be improved. But like, it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. It doesn't. Like and like, I know,

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Speaker 2: They should give up man and make that move. Have

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Speaker 2: Harden and Westbrook just carry you all regular season, tell

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Speaker 2: you know forty five, forty six, first seven wins, get

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Speaker 1: Couple of series.

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Speaker 2: That's smart.

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Speaker 1: That's actually really smart. I love that. It's like Roger

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Speaker 2: So there's something there.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea of like an old witch woman

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Speaker 1: You can have Kawhi, Leonard Paul George, Russell Westbrook and

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Speaker 1: Do you do it?

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Speaker 2: And you have to give us back eight hundred toilets

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Speaker 2: in your new stadium.

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Speaker 1: Sweaty guy? Do I do it? All right? We're staying

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Speaker 2: that made a lot more sense around Lebron and Ad.

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Speaker 1: Anybody aged stars. Yes, yes, And I mean this is

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Speaker 2: Well, they've won fifty plus games the last two.

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Speaker 2: So that means I mean you're I guess if you're

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Speaker 1: I am too dubious about where they stand when it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Next up, Minnesota timber Wolves. They've made

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Speaker 1: But uh, I think I would be confident throwing them

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Speaker 1: That guy loves to foul, absolutely loves it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is a tough exercise because you

434
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,199
Speaker 2: never know who the hell they're playing. Sure once we

435
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Speaker 2: get to real playoff series, because some of these teams

436
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 2: are like, you know, the Achilles heel for that particular team,

437
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 2: whatever style of play, or they just have their number,

438
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Speaker 2: whatever it is. But I like where we got them

439
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 2: right in the middle.

440
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Speaker 1: There. New Orleans Pelicans once upon a time the one

441
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 1: seed in the Western Conference during this very calendar year.

442
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I think it was early January

443
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 1: when they were atop the West Zion coming back brandon

444
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 1: Ingram he's back. They've had a couple of little small

445
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: injuries here to Jose Alvarado, and we'll see who actually

446
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,679
Speaker 1: makes it through the season for them. But where are

447
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 1: you going with the Pelicans. That's a tough call.

448
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little lower on the Pels than some.

449
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 2: I think I got him as a play and hopeful.

450
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 2: I think even these teams that I'm confused about and

451
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 2: whether or not their stars play like in the in

452
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 2: the MAVs and Clips and blah blah blah, I just

453
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 2: don't think they're as good as them. And they're already

454
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 2: coming an injured That sucks. I mean, like three guys, key,

455
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 2: guys are either banged up are going to be on

456
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 2: the sideline so start the season. That's that's not great.

457
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 2: But they're gonna hope that Zion, brandon Ingram CJ are

458
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 2: at least playing because that never happens either. But play

459
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Speaker 2: and hopeful for me.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's exactly right. They injuries included. They

461
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: seem to finish about five hundred every single year, so

462
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: that could be the same and this one could look

463
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: dumb for us. You know, if Zion is healthy for

464
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Speaker 1: the entire season, he plays sixty games we're talking about. Okay,

465
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Speaker 1: they're a playoff lock and maybe even challenging for a

466
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Speaker 1: conference finals. But I think playing hopeful it's pretty solid

467
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,479
Speaker 1: right now. Team that made the play in last season

468
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Speaker 1: forty and forty two, the Oklahoma City Thunder. We're all

469
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Speaker 1: hyped on the Thunder. But are you willing to say

470
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Speaker 1: they're a lock for the playoffs? Skeets? Wow?

471
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 2: Wow, not really like what type of lock? Like a

472
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: master lock or like a crappy lock that we used

473
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Speaker 2: to have at high school.

474
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're saying, Gage, you put on like a

475
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: diary that you just yank.

476
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Speaker 2: Those ones are even a tiny little dumb key, Yeah,

477
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Speaker 2: you just go you just like rip it off, are Yeah,

478
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: it depends on the lock. It's borderline, you know, obviously

479
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: the look I think their Their plans this year are

480
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Speaker 2: to be in the playoffs, like make it. Whether that's

481
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Speaker 2: coming in through the plan or just getting there as

482
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Speaker 2: a top six seed. That'll be their goal. And that's

483
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Speaker 2: I mean, you've seen them play, We've talked about their talent.

484
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Speaker 2: We won't go over it again. We were you know,

485
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 2: we were we were debating the over under there because

486
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: it was quite high for this team. But I don't

487
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Speaker 2: mind either putting them at the top of the play

488
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Speaker 2: and hopefuls or maybe the bottom of a playoff lock

489
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: and maybe we switch it around. You have the ultimate decision.

490
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Speaker 2: You have the cursor.

491
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Speaker 1: I've got the cursor, and I'm thinking, at a cursory

492
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Speaker 1: glance to put them in the playoff block for right now,

493
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Speaker 1: because I look at their logo and I see, okay, see,

494
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: and it's almost like spelling the word lock. It'll be

495
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: fun to cheer for the Thunder. But you're right, they

496
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: could definitely be into the play and Hopefuls. There's gonna

497
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: be good teams in the Western Conference in the play

498
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Speaker 1: in tournament. Some of these teams that think they should

499
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Speaker 1: be the third seed are gonna finish eighth. It could

500
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Speaker 1: be the Thunder. It could be a difference of two

501
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 1: games between third and eight.

502
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: Look at this, the middle finger is forming here on

503
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Speaker 2: the tier maker.

504
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: This is gonna hurt. This is gonna make it look

505
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: like when you give the middle finger, but the thumb

506
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: is sticking out to the side. I don't know if

507
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Speaker 1: you're more of like a straight up guy or including

508
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Speaker 1: the thumb, but I think we're gonna be adding to

509
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Speaker 1: the thumb because the Phoenix Suns are up next, and

510
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Speaker 1: I gotta imagine they're going into the title contenders tier.

511
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Speaker 2: Yes they're good. I mean, yeah, it's one of the

512
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: top two tiers. Some people are not as convinced, but

513
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Speaker 2: I am, I really am, man. I think there's gonna

514
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: be a juggernaut regular season team. Sure, the playoffs are

515
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: a different story. And can they get stops, which you

516
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: do need to do in a playoff series. Not every

517
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: night are your guys gonna be, you know, shooting the

518
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: lights out? Though they got three of them. So even

519
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: on a night where Beal's struggling, maybe Booker and KT

520
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: are right, or a night Kat doesn't have a going

521
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: Booker and Beel are okay, But yeah, they're they're a

522
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Speaker 2: title contender. I like Frank Vogel as their coach here too,

523
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: And I think they've got enough of the the work

524
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: they did in adding a bunch of these guys with

525
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: not a lot of operating room when it came to

526
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Speaker 2: a salary cap space. I like what they've done with

527
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: the rest of the roster, and not every one of

528
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: them will be like, oh, banger, banger, banger, but they

529
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: only need two or three to hit and play their

530
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Speaker 2: role and I and the whole eating thing gone. They're

531
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Speaker 2: they're pumped about that.

532
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: Man, they they're pumped about absolutely started playing with Nurkic.

533
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: Yet though, well yeah, I know, but.

534
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna look at this roster a lot differently come

535
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Speaker 1: playoff time. You're gonna be like, oh, they're starting Grayson Allen,

536
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: they're starting use of Nurkic. But that's what it's like

537
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: when you have three max contracts. But I'm with you

538
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: title contenders now, and we'll see how many of these

539
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: random veteran signings, Like they just signed a bunch of

540
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: league pass guys. If you're a sickoh you see him

541
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: play three minutes and see an incredible highlight, You're like,

542
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: that guy could be good. Those are great flashes we'll

543
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: see if any of them actually pan out. I'm a

544
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: little dubious, but I do think they're still title contenders. Okay,

545
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: that's what we got them. I think we're going down

546
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: to the bottom tier here, Skeets. The Portland trail Blazers.

547
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: They traded away Damian Lillard, they brought in DeAndre and

548
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: they brought in Malcolm Brogden. They got time Lord. What

549
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: else they got new Scoot? Well, yes, the course, they

550
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: got Sharp. They got Simon's. A lot has changed for

551
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: the Portland trail Blazers. And they signed Jeremy Grant to

552
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: a huge deal. I guess they could trade him come

553
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: trade deadline as well, but it feels like an easy

554
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: lottery pick to me.

555
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: They are, Yeah, they are, and we you know, we

556
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: talked about Chauncey Phillips and whether if they got off

557
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: to a slow start, will he be there for the

558
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: for the long term or maybe maybe Terry Stotts is

559
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: going back to Portland. Terry's he just leaves in Milwaukee

560
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: Bucks as coach. Yeah, you know, they're they're.

561
00:24:54,119 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: Lottery lads below the Rockets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

562
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: so too. Yeah, the Rockets. The Rockets care more about

563
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: showing progress this season than the Blazers. Yes, this is

564
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: year one of their rebuilds, if you ever want to

565
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: call it a rebuild. But yes, all right, Sacramento Kings

566
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: finished third in the West last season. Pretty good. Yeah,

567
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: lost the games. Haven't hold though, beam not lit.

568
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: No, I mean it took a fifty point game from

569
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Speaker 2: Steph Curtis, the greatest players all time. Okay, that's right.

570
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: I just wanted to get it.

571
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Speaker 1: They're a playoff lock easily.

572
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: Oh easily.

573
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Speaker 1: You think they're a Final four thirt.

574
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Uh No, probably not. I would have them at the

575
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Speaker 2: top of the playoff locks, top of the locks, absolutely

576
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Speaker 2: shocked if they are not a playoff team. Now, I

577
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: would like to say, specifically to John Hollinger out there,

578
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 2: what the fuck? What does Johnny know that I don't.

579
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Speaker 2: Hollinger had the Kings, I believe, eleventh in the Western.

580
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: Thirty nine wins.

581
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Speaker 2: I want to say he's off by ten wins. They're

582
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: gonna be flirting with fifty. I could almost try and

583
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: sit here and convince myself and you and everybody that

584
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: they're a Final four flirt. But I won't go that far.

585
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: I will temper my expectation because I'd like to see

586
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: they win a playoff series until you're really in that

587
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: conversation so exactly why I have them as a playoff lock.

588
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: But come on, you don't. I mean, I know I'm

589
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: higher on the Kings than maybe you are, but a

590
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: lot of it was surprising to me. I was surprised

591
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: to see that as well when I saw that from

592
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Speaker 1: John Holland. I think they're a playoff lock. They could

593
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: probably finish anywhere three to six, just because the standings

594
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: will be so close. And then, like you're saying, I

595
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: think Sibonis's shortcomings show a little bit more in the playoffs,

596
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty bad to lead the league in rebounding

597
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: and then completely punked on the glass by Kevon Looney,

598
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: which is what happened uh to Sibonis in the first

599
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: round last year. Uh. But they're a good team and

600
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: they play such a fun and fast style that they

601
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: can rack up wins, especially in the regular season, and

602
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: we'll see how things go matchup wise in the playoffs.

603
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: But I'm with you on a lock. Okay, I would

604
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: probably personally have them below the Grizzlies, but this is

605
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: a King's podcast, so we're keeping him at the top

606
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: of the locks.

607
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: Shout out to Douce and Mo.

608
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Shout out to duson mo uh, and also shout out

609
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: to Mike and Brad.

610
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: That's right, but Brad for sure.

611
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Just named our two favorite players. San Antonio Spurs. You

612
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: gotta put him in the play in tears skates that crazy?

613
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: Are they a lottery team?

614
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: Ooh man, I don't know.

615
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

616
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: This Wemby thing. I can't figure out. This guy looks awesome.

617
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: This guy looks awesome. Every clip I'm seeing is insane.

618
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I can see why he went number one.

619
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, this good pick, ye smart pick. I mean even

620
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: like they're showing like he nutmegeda guy last night.

621
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

622
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: He threw a crazy pass to the corner. I forget

623
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: who hit it or shot it, missed it, but it

624
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: was an incredible pass for anyone, let alone a seven

625
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: four seventy five guy. Like the guy is unreal?

626
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: Is it?

627
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: Is he enough to get him into the play and hopeful?

628
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm almost starting to convince myself that he is. Well,

629
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: what do you want to do? Are they a lottery

630
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: team still or are they hopeful?

631
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: I think they're a lottery team still. They started Jeremy

632
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: Sohan at point guard last night in that game. Yeah,

633
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: cool if it works out, but like, that's pretty strange

634
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: to roll out that as a starting lineup. And if

635
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: you're just looking at the Western Conference, like some team

636
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: has to lose games, right, Trailblazers are gonna lose games.

637
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: That's why the Rockets and the Spurs I think are

638
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: down here as well. Like you know, at the conference

639
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: was more top heavy and we had a bigger middle class.

640
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: Maybe you're talking about the Spurs of the Rockets getting

641
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: into a play in tournament, but it's just so competitive

642
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: throughout the middle of it that I think there's got

643
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: to be bad teams and these are one of them. Okay,

644
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, like I'm hype on chet Holmgrin

645
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: And as soon as I said I'm taking it for

646
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: a rookie there, I'm like, that's foolish. That's not gonna work.

647
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: That's absolutely not gonna work. You never know.

648
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: Again, we talked about it like if OKC is like

649
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: suddenly a forty five to fifty one team, it helps

650
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: his case because I would still have a big part

651
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, look, we want a great rookie of

652
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: the ear race. A lot of times, rookie of the

653
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: e race is so because it's like over, you know,

654
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: six weeks into the season. Like it was like after

655
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: Benedict Mathern hit a bit of a wall, it was like, well,

656
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Powell's winning, and rightfully so in a lot of times

657
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: that happens. Let's get a race here, Let's have some

658
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: debates throughout the year. So we are through all the

659
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: Western No, sorry, Ja Jazz, let's do that real quick.

660
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: One last Western Conference team in the Utah Jazz. They

661
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: were in the play in mechs last season until basically

662
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: the end of the season when they fell out of

663
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: the race. I think they're still a play in full

664
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: kind of team. Yeah, because they feel better. I mean,

665
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: they feel better than the Spurs, Rockets, and Blazers, so

666
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: they can't be in that tier. Yeah, and I like that.

667
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I would agree, though it wouldn't totally surprise

668
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: me if at the end of the season either the

669
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: Spurs or the Rockets had a better record than the Jazz,

670
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: if they decided to trade more guys. I mean there's

671
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: a really young team, right, Like, Yeah, Markin is like

672
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: their established veteran at this point.

673
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: So we've done all the Western Conference teams. We have

674
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: ten teams in like the playoffs or above.

675
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's how they do it.

676
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, okay, I see what you mean. Yeah,

677
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: with the play in there's a making well right, so

678
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: playoff lock means play in lock.

679
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: It's controversial.

680
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: I don't mind it right now. There, that's fine, Yeah,

681
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: that's all right, okay, perfect, that's the Western Conference. We

682
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: move with some pace there that. Yeah, let's see if

683
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: we can keep it up with the Eastern Conference. Will

684
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: take a quick break and be right back. Don't go anywhere,

685
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: all right, Still here in the Classic Factory, we've done

686
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: the Western Conference. When it comes to ranking all fifteen teams,

687
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: we do have a lot of teams in the playoff

688
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: locks or above Final four Flirts, title contenders.

689
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

690
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: They have started to drop the MAVs chant in the

691
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: stream team. They a lot of people, I mean there's

692
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: a lot of votes saying, hey, drop the MAVs, Clips

693
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: and Thunder even down a tier. But yeah, do you

694
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: want to you want to cave to the stream team

695
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: and just drop the Magis. Let's do it. I do

696
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: drop the MAVs, drop the MAVs. There they get down

697
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: disrespect just like that. Okay you did this?

698
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, Vin says, dim the beam? What dim the beam?

699
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: He Hollinger?

700
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: Is that John Holland has got a burner YouTube account?

701
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh they're both bold.

702
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Wait what his name's Vin? I love it? Okay, I

703
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: love it?

704
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: All right, So the Eastern Conference, let's do it. Let's

705
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: rank him.

706
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Just imagine John Hodge. You're dressing like Vindel regularly, big

707
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: jane necklace, white prospector.

708
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: He's sort of like who is the guy on ESPN

709
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: that everybody thought he had a ponytail.

710
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: John Clayton's similar to that. Well, uh segway. John Hollinger

711
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: lives near Atlanta. Let's talk about the Hawks. Peace up,

712
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: atom down skeets. You're gonna put him in the playoff locks.

713
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: I know you're up on the Hawks right now.

714
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: I am, but I feel like I'll be alone in this.

715
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: You know you weren't even this was one we disagreed on.

716
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: The over under, which was I want to say forty

717
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: one and a half, forty two and a half something

718
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: like that. I was pretty confident in the Hawks over.

719
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: You wanted the under. You thought they would you know,

720
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: sort of be once again a five hundred team when

721
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: one lose one, when one lose one, when one lose one.

722
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: But ah, man, I think they're gonna be better than

723
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: our Raptors, are Bulls, a couple other teams in the East.

724
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: I sort of have them as a as a lock.

725
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: But if you want to put them at the top

726
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: of a play in hopeful that they would come in

727
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: that way, like, look, if they get in, it will

728
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: probably through go It will like last year.

729
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: It'll be through the play in tournament. They beat the heat,

730
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: they beat the heat. He forgets, they crush them on

731
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: the glass. Clint Capella went wild on the offensive rebounds. Yeah.

732
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: I mean then they lost to the Celtics in the

733
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: two seven matchup, But I think they're in there. Where

734
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: do you want to put them?

735
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I man, I'll put the Hawks as a playoff lock.

736
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if I buy it. But both

737
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: my kids wore a tray young Jersey to school today,

738
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: so on a wow, that was where your favorite team day?

739
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: Now. I know this is weird because we now have

740
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: both conferences in here, but I would have them where

741
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: you do right now, at the bottom of the playoff lock,

742
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: like I like all those Western Conference teams more than them.

743
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: Right, So you think they could get a top four seed.

744
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: That would mean beating out basically like the Heat, the Sixers,

745
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: the Calves. No.

746
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: I think they could get the sixth seed, though, which

747
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: is why we got the big seed. I think they could.

748
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: They should be in contention for they.

749
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: Should be battling. They should be battling the Knicks. Really

750
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: for the fifth or sixth seed.

751
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: Probably a lot of history, Trey Young versus the next

752
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: cool stuff, Doc Rivers, Doc Rivers, first guy that I

753
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: thought of that played for both franchise, Nix and Hawks.

754
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, what else?

755
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: You got Tim Hardaway Junior, Kevin Knox. Right, all right,

756
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: here's an easy one. The Boston Celtics, the Bean Town Boys.

757
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: You put them in the title contenders because you should. Yeah,

758
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: of course, easy one.

759
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: Of course you got Tatum for m VP for crying

760
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: out loud. They're gonna win a lot of regular season games, so.

761
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: Does John Hollinger.

762
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: I saw, yeah, I saw that. You two smart guys,

763
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: you two vinheads. Yeah, of course they're there. I mean

764
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: they're they're I mean, they've been a Final four flirt forever.

765
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: They're going to the finals.

766
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: They have a couple of seasons ago. They just got

767
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: to avoid the Miami Heat.

768
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly right.

769
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: But they're there.

770
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought. I think in Hollinger's thing today, he

771
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: mentioned that the Bucks or the Celtics have been in

772
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals for the last seven years, and

773
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: then the other team has been basically the heat, right,

774
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: like they've made three of the past four. He Hawks

775
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: snuck in there. Yeah, if you're stretching back far enough,

776
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, Celtics easily titled.

777
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: They're saying over the last seven seasons, the Celtics or

778
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: the Bucks have at least been in the Eastern Conference Finals.

779
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: I do believe.

780
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, they're there.

781
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Would you have them as the number one title contender?

782
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: Because that was the NBA dot Com GM survey result

783
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: was that them and the Nuggets were the top two seeds.

784
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 2: I would have above the Suns, but not above the Nuggets. Yeah,

785
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: that's where I put them.

786
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: I agree, better to man duo in Denver than in

787
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: Boston playoffs at least. Yeah, all right, the Brooklyn Nets

788
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: are next on our list. I think this is probably

789
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: a play and hopeful team.

790
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, I would. Now we can put them

791
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: right there, you know, to see this team for some reason.

792
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I know the Ben Simmons part of it

793
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: is is what's you know, piquing my interest? But I

794
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: love mckail Bridges. I was, you know, I called that one.

795
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: At least I felt confident about this guy is going

796
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: to surprise a lot of people as sort of the

797
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: lead guy when he moved over in the Katie trade

798
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: and was you know, given the keys and his own

799
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: team really and and he honestly was amazing, Like he

800
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: even exceeded my expectations. Can he do it from the

801
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: start of the season for the length of a season.

802
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: That's that's what separates the good players from the great players.

803
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: I got faith in them, but they are definitely a

804
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: play and hopeful That's where I would have them, and

805
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: you got them there.

806
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think play and hopeful is right. It

807
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: is cool though that they have one of the duos

808
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: from the Team USA team that finished fourth. You said

809
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: it today, all right, it's good for the Nets. It's

810
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: good for the Nets Charlotte Hornets. Are they a lottery lads?

811
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: Or are you gotta call these this team of play

812
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: and hopeful? Man?

813
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: We talked through it on the over under, like the idea,

814
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: like was last year just this weird dip because they

815
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: were good two years ago when LaMelo played. Really they

816
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: were like a forty three win team. Yeah, yeah, easy

817
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: to say. It doesn't feel like that. It feels like

818
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: they've been garbage for ten straight years. But they were solid.

819
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: I would have them at the top of the lottery lads.

820
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they got They still got

821
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: a lot of drama surrounding the team. They do they do,

822
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: we got victors. Hang it out. Wow.

823
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: Adam Price in the stream team is saying six seed

824
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: hornets Adam, that is that's a that's a hot take

825
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: right there. I haven't heard.

826
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that. And I'm high on LaMelo ball.

827
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, and I think he will make

828
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: them look a lot better and have them contending for

829
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: the play in But sixth seed wow wow wow yeah, yeah,

830
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

831
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: No.

832
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: Next team, Chicago Bulls. The Chicago Bulls. What did they

833
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: do this season? Nothing? Barely. They brought Javon Carter in,

834
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: They got Tory Craig. Yeah, they got Patrick Williams.

835
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had a great game in the preseason didn't.

836
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: He did. He he did have a twenty point game.

837
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: I think he shot like three or fourteen and one

838
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: of them didn't. He shot fourteen times. I know, it's amazing.

839
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 2: I could be wrong.

840
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. Well, I mean, you talk about disrespect.

841
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: John Hollinger said the Sacramento Kings are the eleven seed.

842
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: John Hollinger said that the Chicago Bulls are a twelve

843
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: seed and they're gonna blow it up this year. A

844
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: tear came to my eye. Wow, he is so wrong.

845
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: And I don't I cry a teer for him being

846
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: so wrong about the Chicago Bulls because this team is

847
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: a play in lock.

848
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well playing lock.

849
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: This is in lock. We're coming for that tenth seed

850
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: once again. And you don't want to see Dr de

851
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: Rozan in the play in tournament. You do not know.

852
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: No, she's gonna scream you out of some free throws.

853
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: That's right.

854
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: She did it to my team. Uh oh wow. At

855
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: the bottom of the play in hopefuls, he slides them there.

856
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, they probably have. They're they're fighting the jazz

857
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: in the I think you have to put them there

858
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: because of what Hollands are saying. Though of a lot

859
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: of teams in the league. They do feel like if

860
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: they got off to a slow start, they might finally say,

861
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: let's move some of these pieces and let's really stop

862
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: being uh, the ninth and tenth seed in the Eastern

863
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: Conference and maybe literally be worse for a couple of

864
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: years and get some high draft picks and try and

865
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: find a star. So that makes sense. They're playing that's fine.

866
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: Looks Was I dreaming about trying to find an old

867
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: Carlos Boozer Jerny to celebrate the arrival of Cameron Boozer

868
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: to Chicago? Maybe I was, Okay, maybe I.

869
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: Was, Oh, oh, you're already looking ahead.

870
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if they're going to be in the

871
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: top of the twenty five or twenty six draft, it

872
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: would be nice to bring in somebody who has some

873
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: history in Chico.

874
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: Does the Bulls have all their picks back? Now they've

875
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: they've got all those all those picks that went to

876
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: the Magic.

877
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: The Magic ones are done, but they still owe one

878
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: to the San Antonio Spurs, I believe. Oh, but there's

879
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: some protections on that, so okay, they could keep it

880
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: all right? Playing, Yeah, playing lock you better lock it

881
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: in top ten? Maybe in the East. Cleveland Cavaliers had

882
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: a great season last year, fifty one wins, one of

883
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: the best defenses in the league, but a disappointing performance

884
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, getting beat by the Knicks basically playing

885
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: their style of basketball.

886
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: This is, uh, you know, recency bias at its best, right,

887
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: because they had a great season.

888
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: You just said.

889
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that though, because they got sort of embarrassed

890
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: by the New York Knick, especially on the glass there,

891
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: and it was like whoa, they were out hurry and

892
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 2: it was like shocked a lot of people. So it's like, yeah,

893
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: was that a good season? Yeah, it actually was, but

894
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't a taste in your mouth. They shouldn't be

895
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: losing in the first round. Maybe, But I struggle with

896
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: this team. This is one squad. I go back and

897
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: forth between yeah, they're sort of like, you know, a

898
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: playoff lock or me, you want to get crazy final

899
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: four floor, and then I'm like, ah, no, they're sort

900
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: of more around these teams we have on some of

901
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 2: these lower tiers. How do you feel about them?

902
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I think they're at worse. They're a playoff lock,

903
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: Like this will be a great regular season team, they'll

904
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: finish with one of the four best.

905
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: Yes, but but hold on, so were the Sacramento Kings,

906
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean they so they got to win the series.

907
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in the playoff loock category as well. I

908
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: think that the Kings and honestly the Grizzlies sort of

909
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: and then the Caves are all sort of similar. I

910
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be great in the regular season, but

911
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: their style of play maybe doesn't lend itself to playoff success.

912
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: And we will see, you know how Donovan Mitchell shows

913
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: up in a playoff series YAU seven' do it well

914
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: with Utah and then he helped shoot the Caves out

915
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: of it last season, I thought. I also don't think JB.

916
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: Bickers Staff is that great of a coach, but he

917
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: probably at least gets an entire season followed by the

918
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: playoffs before they decide to make another move. So I'm

919
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: willing to put them near the top of the playoff

920
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: lock category, like right around the Kings and the Grizzlies.

921
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you wouldn't expect, I don't know why, like

922
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: their defense to like fall off a cliff like this

923
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: was the number one defense in the league last year.

924
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: Mobley was like in the running for Defensive Player of

925
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: the Year, very very young, should only get better.

926
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: Really is second on the favorites list, I think yeah.

927
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: On the Buds.

928
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean just a lot of these teams

929
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: don't play defense. So you do, and you put an

930
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: effort on that end, you will win a lot of games.

931
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, playoff lock. You slotted them in behind the

932
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: Kings and the Grizzlies there, sure.

933
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, all right. Detroit Pistons had the worst lottery

934
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: luck last year, worst record in the league. Wow, got

935
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: the fifth pick. Maybe they'll have better luck this year

936
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: because they're going back in the lottery.

937
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: You're putting them there? How low are you putting them? Though? Man,

938
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: you really hate the Pistons. I've picked up on this.

939
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: Who's good on the Pistons?

940
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Well, Kate Cunningham, is it?

941
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

942
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: I think so we'll see, we.

943
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: Will see, we will see, we we'll see.

944
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: I think Jayalen Duran will be a good reputable center

945
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: moving forward. I love both Thompson twins. Sounds like he

946
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: might I know, yeah, sounds like he might start. They

947
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: might lean into that. Actually should for defensive reasons and

948
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: stuff like that. They got boggy still in the shooting. Yeah,

949
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm a little higher on them than you are. But

950
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: they're in the they're in the lottery lads. They're with

951
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: the lads down there. But you got them, you got

952
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: them basically right up the bottom. But we don't have

953
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: like you think the Hornets are going to be better

954
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: than the Pistons.

955
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. Okay, okay. Indiana Pacers, oh,

956
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: hipster pick, hipster pick. Yeah. It would be cool to

957
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: see them be a playoff lock.

958
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're not.

959
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: It's a little optimistic, I think.

960
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would. I have them quite high and

961
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: playing hopeful thought.

962
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: That's versus pacers, Pacers, pacers, pacers.

963
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't even hesitate with that.

964
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: Pacers versus Pelicans.

965
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: No, No, I like where you got.

966
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: I think that's right, that's that's fine with me. They

967
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: finished eleventh last year, is that right? Yeah?

968
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: Sounds right? Uh, I mean the stat nine would be great.

969
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: That's stat that you dropped on the over under man.

970
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: When Heliburton plays their five hundred team, that feels right.

971
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: That's that's why they're being a play and mix. If

972
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: he plays, you know, hopefully he's healthy and you know,

973
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: some of the other additions to the team makes sense

974
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 2: and some of the young guys should just get better.

975
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: And they got a bunch of Canadians, so you know,

976
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: so yeah, I like that.

977
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I like that where we have them excellent Miami heat.

978
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: This is a weird one. This is a weird one.

979
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you got at least put him in the

980
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: Final four flirts at worst. Are they a title contender?

981
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: They've made the finals more than any of these teams

982
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: that are in the title contender's realm right now.

983
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: The tough part about this is you could see a

984
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: season where they don't even make the damn playoffs. But

985
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: if they're in any sort of playoff series, they could

986
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: be any team in the Eastern Conference, which is why

987
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: you would then have them at a Final four flirt.

988
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: So it's like if are we almost like, are we

989
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: simming the regular season and they are getting them in there?

990
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: Because if that's the case, then yeah, they're a final

991
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: four flirt because we've seen time and time again, especially

992
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: against teams like the Celtics and Bucks, they got their number,

993
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: they can hang with them, and they're and obviously led

994
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: by Jimmy Butler. But it's just like they're gonna be

995
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: a like they're not gonna be a great regular season

996
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: team again, I don't think so they are. You know,

997
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: you still you got an old Kyle lowry Man. Yes,

998
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: you've got Jimmy who's gonna miss twenty five games. Bam

999
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: is a great player, but sort of like can go

1000
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: missing at times a little bit.

1001
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah uh.

1002
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: And then they lost a lot of shooting. Now they're

1003
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: really good at just plugging another guys who will shoot

1004
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: thirty eight percent from deeply that happens. I am high

1005
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: on Himahawks Junior getting some burning and being a dark

1006
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: horse Rookie of the Year pick. But a playoff a

1007
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: playoff locker, final four flirt? Where are we putting them?

1008
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for the heat. They

1009
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: gotta be final four flirts. Okay, they just look better

1010
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. This is a team that's obviously built

1011
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: for the playoffs in their regular season. Perhaps I'm getting

1012
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: a heat culture pilled here, but I think they'll be

1013
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: They're easily going to make the top six, I think

1014
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: this year because they don't want to have to do

1015
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: the play in thing again. Last year they were beat.

1016
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: They were beat. The Bulls had them, That's right, they

1017
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: had them, except for Deard Rosen had to go to

1018
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: school that day. It lost to the Hawks, and they

1019
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: lost to the Hawks, so weird. Did they do it

1020
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: on purpose? Oh wow?

1021
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right right, okay, final four floirts at the

1022
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: bottom of that tier.

1023
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: Sounds good. Milwaukee Bucks, where are we putting on title contenders? Yes? Yes, absolutely?

1024
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: Where do you want it?

1025
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: I mean really, I think we just need to have

1026
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: the debate. Are you putting them ahead of the Celtics

1027
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: or not?

1028
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: I would interesting. I think the Celtics will finish with

1029
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: a better record in the regular season, but I trust

1030
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: the Bucks a little bit more in the playoffs. Even

1031
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: though we haven't seen this Bucks team play together in

1032
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Maybe that's why I trust them more. I've

1033
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: seen I've seen what Jason and Jayden can do in

1034
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I've seen their up and down nature and

1035
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: their streakiness. But I've also seen the Bucks lose to

1036
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: an eighth seed. So who knows?

1037
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: Ooh, sure, put them where you got them.

1038
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: It goes Nuggets over Celtics.

1039
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: It goes Nuggets, Bucks, Celtics, Suns. Right now in our

1040
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: title contenders.

1041
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: I like it.

1042
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: Let's leave it for the for a second and we'll

1043
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: come back to it at the end.

1044
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: The New York Knicks playoff team.

1045
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm in on the Knicks. I think they're

1046
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: the same team they were. They have TIBs, an insane

1047
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: coach who's always going to have them in a position,

1048
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: obviously going to have a game plan and have them ready.

1049
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: They have a lot of good talent, and they won

1050
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: a decent amount of games last year and they won

1051
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: a playoff series, which was huge for the Knicks fans

1052
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: in the MSG crowd. So they're a playoff lock. Oh yeah, yeah,

1053
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: there's no way or final flour flirting. But yeah, where

1054
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: do you put them?

1055
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: I would put that. I would have them right here,

1056
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: right ahead of the Hawks, the Hawks. Honestly, maybe ahead

1057
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: of Okay, see as well. I know they're different conferences,

1058
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: but I would have them ahead of the Hawks. Jalen

1059
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: Brunson was like twenty seven points per game during the

1060
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: second half of the season. He's awesome. He's awesome. Julius

1061
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Randall is an incredible regular season player. They're pretty solid,

1062
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: like one through ten, so you're right between the depth

1063
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: of the roster, their coach, yep, and you know, just

1064
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: they played defense. They're a pretty tough team as well.

1065
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be a good regular season team

1066
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: and then matchup wise is what I'll determine where they

1067
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: go in the playoffs. Like, I don't know, I think

1068
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: we probably all did. We all picked the Calves last year.

1069
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

1070
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: Maybe So if that didn't seem like a like a

1071
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: good matchup for the next and they just went out

1072
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: and completely punked him, I was pretty Impressiveeah.

1073
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: A lot of people I think had the Calves over

1074
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: the Knicks. Yeah, okay, I like that spot, and I'm

1075
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: with you for all the reasons you said. I like

1076
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: that I'm hearing from like Julius Randall and sort of

1077
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: this team. I don't know if you've seen under their quotes,

1078
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: like they're talking about like all right, it's like go time.

1079
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: We have a team here now, like we can start

1080
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: making some noise here. So I like that they're a

1081
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: playoff lock in the Eastern Conference and ahead of the Hawks.

1082
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, behind the Calves, ahead of

1083
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 2: the Hawks.

1084
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Perfect. Perfect, the Orlando Magic, great run to the season

1085
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: at seasons end last year, didn't quite make it into

1086
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: the play in turn, but we saw Palo Boncaro balling

1087
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: for the fourth place United States FEEVERAL World Championship team,

1088
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and we saw Fronz Wagner balling for the first place

1089
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: FEB World Championship team.

1090
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: They're a play in hopeful that that will have to be,

1091
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, written on the whiteboard in the locker room.

1092
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: Make the play in turn make Honestly, it'll be a

1093
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: disappointing year if they don't, I think with some of

1094
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: the talent they've got growing there. Yeah, yeah, they won

1095
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: how many games did you say?

1096
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: They went thirty? Did they get the thirty five last year?

1097
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: Maybe you got to improve on that. Improve you're in

1098
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: a play in, I mean close. So yeah, that's that's

1099
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: the tier I have them in because they're better. They

1100
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: should be better than all those teams on the lower tier.

1101
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, Yeah, And I don't know, it'll

1102
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: be sad for me if they are better than the Bulls,

1103
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: considering you know, the Booch trade. But it's certainly possible.

1104
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean, yeah, the Magic. They're a sneaky

1105
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: pick for some of the hipsters out there too, Like

1106
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: you said, what they did at the end of last

1107
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: year and getting some guys back, I mean, Jonathan Isaac

1108
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: is he playing again. Is that guy back playing defense?

1109
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think he is. I'm pretty sure he is.

1110
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Who knows?

1111
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So will they be better than our Bulls and Raptors?

1112
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: That would be tough for us, But it's in the

1113
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 2: realm of possibility. So okay, that's perfect.

1114
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: At the end of the play in hopeles, where are

1115
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: you going to put the Philadelphia seventy six Ers. They've

1116
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: got the reigning MVP in Joel Embiid, they've been a

1117
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: one seed in the Eastern Conference quite recently. They can

1118
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: beat any of the bad teams in the playoffs, and

1119
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: then we've seen how things go for a seventy six

1120
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: Ers team here. I think they're probably a playoff lock still.

1121
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1122
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: I mean, they got Embiid in Maxie at the very least,

1123
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens with James Harden, assuming he'll

1124
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: be traded at some point. Maybe Terrence Man comes and

1125
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: they somehow have two guys wearing sketchers on the same

1126
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: court together, Embiid and Terrence Man. The sketchers, the Sixers sketchers. Guys,

1127
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: we'll see. I think they're just a playoff lock right now,

1128
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: and maybe we readjust this for them to be a

1129
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: Final four flirt come playoff time.

1130
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: Here's my question with the Philadelphia seventy six ers with

1131
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: this whole hardened thing, which we haven't talked a lot

1132
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: about this week obviously, you know, still saying get me

1133
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: out of here, and this whole idea they're gonna trade

1134
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: with the Clippers or not. Do they need to get

1135
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: this taken care of before the start of the season,

1136
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: This this sort of hardened cloud hanging over the franchise

1137
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: as we get really close to tipping off here.

1138
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: I mean, what are the options really? They could get

1139
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: it done before the season, or they can start the

1140
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: season and basically wait till December fifteenth when more players

1141
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: become trade eligible. Though it doesn't seem like they're looking

1142
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: at anybody else besides the Clippers right now.

1143
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: And so what in that scenario you just tell James

1144
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: to like, hey, chill up, hanguston.

1145
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, my guess is that's what happens really? Yeah? Wow,

1146
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like Darryl Moury definitely regrets the way

1147
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: the Chris Paul trade happened. When Harden was pushing for

1148
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: Chris Paul to be traded in Westbrook to come in

1149
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: he felt like his hand was forced and that has

1150
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: led to repercussions for the Rockets that they're still feeling

1151
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: like these picks that they're going to be given to

1152
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: the Rockets, I think are still part of that Chris

1153
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: Paul trade. So now that he's being pressured by James

1154
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Harden for another thing after the way he attained Harden

1155
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: for the Ben Simmons trade, I just think it's gonna

1156
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: be a waited out until. I mean, he's probably hoping

1157
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: that the Clippers have a terrible start to this season,

1158
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: right or like Kawhi Leonard goes down with an eight

1159
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: week injury at the start of the season and the

1160
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: Clippers are needing something, So I think probably weighted up.

1161
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like you're right, unless that happens in LA,

1162
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 2: what's their rush really? Yeah, I mean we were debating

1163
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: there's still gonna be a good team, we know with

1164
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: Kawhi and Paul Georgia in the playoffs, so you know,

1165
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: they got any chance to beat anybody, but they're not

1166
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: gonna be like they don't need to get this done.

1167
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: We don't need Harden night one. Uh so Yeah, but

1168
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: at the same time, man, just be like, if you're

1169
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: embiid and you're all these guys all you're gonna be

1170
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: asked about after every loss, hell ever win, is like

1171
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: you know what could have James done? Or you know,

1172
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: like it's just like it's like you're just constantly being

1173
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: asked about it, and it's such like ugh, like the

1174
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 2: vibe are already not great with this team even worse

1175
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: in this situation. I mean, Nick Nurse is gonna try

1176
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: his best to like forget it, like he said something

1177
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: like I was surprised James Harden wasn't here. What I know,

1178
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: he's just trying to say that, But just get it done,

1179
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: I would. I know it's not gonna be a great return.

1180
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be a great return regardless,

1181
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: So maybe just do it.

1182
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: Like the bullet Darryl, it was interesting in the sam

1183
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: Amic piece basically saying that the the Sixers already have

1184
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: a trade for Terrence Man if he gets traded to

1185
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: the Sixers. So we'll see what Daryl's cooking if it

1186
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: actually goes down. But for now, playoff locks is fine.

1187
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: Would you have him above or behind the Cleveland Cavaliers,

1188
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: I guess is the only I think.

1189
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: I would go behind yeah, and mainly because of this

1190
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: wholehearted situation.

1191
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: Hanging its Yeah, it's not good. That's not good. All right?

1192
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: Moving on Toronto Raptors. You ever heard of them? Yeah,

1193
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: they're a team. They made the play in last season,

1194
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: finished with the ninth seed, but were eliminated by Deard Burism.

1195
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean look at their record after they

1196
00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: got Perdle.

1197
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: What did the record after they got pertal?

1198
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: And I mean van Le No, but Dennis Shreuter gold

1199
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: medal winning Dennis Shrewder running the point. I don't know.

1200
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: I mean, they're right around your bulls. I think they're

1201
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: in the play in tier. It's just where we slot them.

1202
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: I have been lower on the Raptors coming into the

1203
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: season than a lot of people. Raptors fans are very optimistic.

1204
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I love about them.

1205
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: And then I start listening to enough podcast and I

1206
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: start convincing myself that I'm wrong, and I might be.

1207
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: Maybe I am, you know, maybe Scottie Barnes is sort

1208
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: of back after that bad season last year, and the

1209
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: vibes are different with Darko as the head coach, and

1210
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 2: there is talent on the team in Og and Siakam,

1211
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: but they're not. They're not a final four floor by

1212
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: any means. They're not a playoff walk So ahead of

1213
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 2: the Bulls, I see you slotted them there. Flip a coin, Yeah,

1214
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: flip a coin.

1215
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean the raptor S finished with a better record

1216
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: than the Bulls, beating than the play in tournament. We

1217
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: might be heading for another note, Dunk's ball.

1218
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very true.

1219
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: I wonder if, literally I wonder if one of these

1220
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: teams will blow it up, because it's like you either

1221
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: pick the Raptors as the team that's gonna do it

1222
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: or the Bulls as the team that's gonna do it.

1223
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: Will either of them? We shall see? The Bulls never

1224
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: want a tank, and Massion never wants to trade people,

1225
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: So a stop in either direction. Our final team on

1226
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: the tier list, perhaps our final ad to the lottery

1227
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: lads category, the Washington Wizards. Gonna be a great bad

1228
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: team to watch, Gonna be a hilarious bad team to watch.

1229
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: Sorry, I can't hear you over the barking dog and

1230
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: the goddamn air conditioning going on. Holy shit, what is

1231
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: going on in here?

1232
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: Bring the dogs in here.

1233
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: That's one's for all the dogs, the Wizards, I mean,

1234
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: it's fun watching Jordan Pool go for forty. I'll tell

1235
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: you that Afdia going. I'm open man, I'm open, are you?

1236
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: But I have them at the in the final tier. Yes,

1237
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 2: I do not think they're going to win a ton

1238
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 2: of movements. They are with the lottery lads. Yeah, yeah,

1239
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: you put them behind the Spurs.

1240
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: Is that what you want to I put him behind

1241
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: the Spurs, But really, I guess it's behind the Hornets.

1242
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: But they're probably about the same, the Hornets and the Wizards. Yeah,

1243
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: like they the Pistons at least, as one of the

1244
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: lottery teams in the Eastern Conference are majority young players, right,

1245
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: Like you expect that team to be bad. But then

1246
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: when you look at the Hornets and you look at

1247
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: the Wizards, a lot of vets around. Younger vets certainly,

1248
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: but still veteran guys like Abdi has been into the

1249
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: league for quite some time at this point. Obviously Pools established,

1250
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: Kuzma's established as well, So I think that's fine for them.

1251
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: Middle of the lottery lads category.

1252
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: You think Jordan Poole could lead the league in points

1253
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: per game?

1254
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: Do you think it's crazy?

1255
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: Could he do a deal?

1256
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy. I think it's crazy because not

1257
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: a guy that draws a lot of free throws, and

1258
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: that's something you gotta do. He could lead the league

1259
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: in shot attempts quite easily, though. Yeah yeah, he's gonna try.

1260
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's gonna give it a go.

1261
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: Okay, they got the Wizards at the bottom. So let's

1262
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: take a look a final look here. We've ranked all

1263
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 2: thirty teams. We have four teams in the title contender spot.

1264
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: It's the Nuggets, Bucks, Celtic, Suns. Our final four flirts

1265
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: are Lakers, Warriors, Heat.

1266
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: That feels like the respect tier. We're giving you a

1267
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: lot of.

1268
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: Respects, still respect for no doubt. Playoff locks. We got

1269
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 2: a lot of them. We have them in order. King's Grizzlies, Calves, Sixers, Wolves, Clippers, Nicks,

1270
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 2: thunder Hawks, playing Hopefuls, the stream team, you know, twisted

1271
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: our arm and made us drop. The MAVs down there,

1272
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: that's the they're leading this this tier here, but it

1273
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: goes MAVs, Pelicans, Pacers, Nets, Jazz, Raptor's Bulls, Magic and

1274
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: then the lottery lads. We got Hornet, Spurs, Wizards, Rockets, Pistons, Blazers.

1275
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: I feel Okay about that. Anything you want to change.

1276
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: Nothing I want to change. I feel like that's a

1277
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: pretty representative representation of how we've been feeling about these teams. Here,

1278
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: the dogs are here, The dogs are here. This one.

1279
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it that Hazel's only tall

1280
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: enough that you can see her little tail above the table.

1281
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: I am curious, though the stream team is going to

1282
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: get together any sort of chance to change one of these.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's take a break. We'll see if the

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00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 2: stream team starts a chant to move one of these

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00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: teams around. And when we come back, we'll talk about

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00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: the Rockets trading Kevin Porter Junior to the Thunder and

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00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: them immediately waving them and we got tweeted to night.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back, all right. Not many chants starting

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Speaker 2: in the stream team, though. People are debating where to

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00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: put Hazel the Dog, which tier I think final four flirt.

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Speaker 2: It's a very comes around, looks at you with those

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Speaker 2: puppy dog eyes, So I think that's where we'll slot

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Speaker 2: in Hazel Cosmo lottery lad, Yeah, yeah, all right. On Tuesday,

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00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: the Houston Rockets traded Kevin Porter Junior and two future

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00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: second round picks to The Thunder immediately waved Porter. Sorry

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Speaker 2: my audio just cut out there. I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: You're having a day, man.

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Speaker 2: I'll just start over. On Tuesday, the Houston Rockets traded

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Speaker 2: Kevin Porter Junior and two future second round picks to

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Speaker 2: the Thunder, who immediately waived Porter. The Rockets acquired Victor

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00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: Oladipo and Jeremiah Robinson Earl in the deal, while the

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00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: Thunder received a twenty seven second round pick by way

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00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: of Minnesota and a twenty eight second round pick by

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: way in Milwaukee. Houston has been working to trade KPJ

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00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: since last month, following his arrest on charges of felony

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Speaker 2: assault and strangulation due to an alleged attack on his girlfriend. So, yeah,

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00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: this deal goes down, and a lot of people had

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Speaker 2: opinions on it, like, oh, feels icky, But then again,

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Speaker 2: this is the business of the NBA. Do you have

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Speaker 2: a take on this one?

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Speaker 1: I think both takes are right. This does feel gross.

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: That's a sad situation, and I also don't love the

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Speaker 1: optics of both the Thunder and the Rockets kind of

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Speaker 1: like profiting from being in the KPJA business. For lack

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Speaker 1: of a better word right, like they're both getting something

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00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: out of us. But what I do like is that

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Speaker 1: by trading him to the thunder and then being able

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Speaker 1: to wave him immediately, the paycheck and is big and

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00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: one step closer to KPJ being out of the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some people wondering should the league institute like

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Speaker 2: a temporary no movement clause for players that are facing

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00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: legal charges. I saw Eric Kreen write about this at

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Speaker 2: The Athletic. He had an interesting article on the whole

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00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: situation and the idea that, Yeah, in a strange way

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00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: to quote Eric, actually this commodifies domestic violence in the

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00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: parlance of NBA contracts. So it's like this weird behavior,

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: the horrible behavior becomes salary cap maneuvering. But it is

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: what it is. In the thunder Man, they are addicted

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Speaker 2: to second round picks.

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Speaker 1: Can't stop themselves.

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00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: They have the thunderdo ten future first round picks and

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: eighteen future second round picks from other teams to use

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00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: themselves or of course dangle in trade talks. Ten first

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01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: round picks from other teams, eighteen second round picks from

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01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: other teams. That is the largest stockpile in the league.

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Speaker 2: Dare i say, a history of Jay any sports franchise,

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: it's wild.

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Speaker 1: We have to go back to the herschel Walker trade,

1339
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: the Vikings in the confine. You see the actual breakdown

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01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: of numbers. But yeah, I mean, obviously the Thunder can't

1341
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: use all those picks, like it's impossible to roster that

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: many players. But that's why they're able to do. Like

1343
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: when they drafted Usman Jang, they traded three first round

1344
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: picks because they're like, this guy is the guy we want, right,

1345
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: So that's what they're gonna be able to do. Similar

1346
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 1: to the Case and Wallace pick. They identify whoever they

1347
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: like kind of in the middle of the first round,

1348
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in the lottery, and then they're able to throw

1349
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: together three lesser picks and be like, hey, this is

1350
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: the one guy we want. We're gonna take our chance

1351
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: on him. That's pretty interesting, and who knows, maybe someday

1352
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: they get closer and closer to a championship with Shay

1353
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: and Chet and then they're like, hey, we can push

1354
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: in and actually get a big time player. Obviously, the

1355
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: risk with OKAC is retaining that player, but when you've

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01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: got enough picks that you could do it multiple times.

1357
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: That's worth it, you know. But yeah, man, Sam Presty,

1358
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: this guy is stockpiling, stockpiling sand, they call him.

1359
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, all right, Let's get to tweet.

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01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: Of the night. Tweet of the Knight. Wow.

1361
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: Tweet of the Knight. Ex of the Knight comes from

1362
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: at Usher NBA, who had a great tweet showing a

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01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 2: picture of Reggie Jackson playing preseason hoops and it says,

1364
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson is wearing a headband, goggles, a mouthguard. You

1365
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: don't really wear a mouthguard, but you know what I mean, undershirt, armsleeve,

1366
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: two wristbands, tights and top it all off, mismatched shoes.

1367
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson really is the accessory king. And what was

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Speaker 2: your reply to this tweet?

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Speaker 1: This was Kirk Heinrichian hourrising for Reggie Jackson. The previous

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: accessory king, I think was Kirk Heinrich, who would wear

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01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: every piece of neoprene you could find, as well as

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01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: the goggles. But man, Reggie taking it next level with

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01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: the mouth guard, with the headband as well.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Like I almost like wish he was, Like

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01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: I wish he had a giant chain on. I wish

1376
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: he had a watch on some little ankle bracelet you

1377
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: know something cute? Fantastic replies to this tweet, including yours

1378
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: dude spent all his VC on accessories, Absolutely right, dude

1379
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: had a Dix coupon shout out to the sporting goods

1380
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: Dix and uh and then Sody wrote all of that

1381
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: just to offensive foul on the drive made me laugh.

1382
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: So good stuff there, Reggie Jackson, are accessory king.

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01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: Look good, play good. I like that. That's what they

1384
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: should give that a ward out lest success riser. Wow.

1385
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he's already got the belt.

1386
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: He's like got a liberal belt right now.

1387
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: He's playing in that.

1388
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: He's like sweet.

1389
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: One more thing to put on some more flair. He

1390
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: should have some buttons.

1391
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: And stuff like that.

1392
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sure, what else can you add?

1393
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: Like what does he not have like no shooting sleeves?

1394
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: You know, like he doesn't have an arm sleeve? Yeah?

1395
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: Did he? Yeah?

1396
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: You couldn't see it behind Uh. I think it was

1397
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: sort of behind the planner.

1398
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, you just saw close.

1399
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: What a day. Oh anyway, I think it's a good

1400
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: time to wrap up this podcast. Sure you tell us

1401
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: did we botch it when it came to ranking all

1402
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: thirty NBA teams. Who's too high, Who's too low? Let

1403
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 2: us know in the YouTube comments. Tweet at us at

1404
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 2: No Dunk Sync. If you're a Survivor fan, join us

1405
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: in a couple of hours over at No Buffs Live

1406
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: on YouTube at one pm Eastern search for No Bus

1407
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: Survivor forty five. We are going to be talking about

1408
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: last night's episode and guys, great NBA angle to this one. Caleb,

1409
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: who is Canadian, was quoted last night in the episode

1410
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: sing I can be Kawhi. Leonard just put me on

1411
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: the Raptors.

1412
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1413
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: It was like like if you made the then diagram

1414
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: NBA fans, Survivor fans, my face right in the middle.

1415
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 2: I mean even just Raptors stands, I guess my face

1416
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: right there. So we will be talking about Caleb and

1417
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: everything that happened in episode four US Survivor. That's on

1418
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: No Buffs. But thanks so much for joining us here today.

1419
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: Hit that like button, make sure you subscribe, leave your

1420
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: boys a five star rating and review, and find out

1421
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: tomorrow on the Drop podcast whether or not we do

1422
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: five star Friday.

1423
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: Get your reviews in, Yeah, get them in. We might

1424
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: they might show up. In time.

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01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: Get them in regardless, and we will be here. We'll

1426
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 2: do some more burning questions about the upcoming season which

1427
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: starts Tuesday, and a whole lot more fun on the drop,

1428
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: but that's tomorrow at ten am Eastern. Thanks for joining

1429
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: us again. Till that, Clipper Bros.

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01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: Love you guys, awesome. Thanks for joining us in. Remember

1432
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest living directors is Quentin Tarantino.

1433
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't, You didn't know. That's how Quentin Tarantino started.

1434
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: Spelled his name with a P. Go check the clib

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Speaker 2: brace thet eight people

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Speaker 1: M