WEBVTT - Legally Brunette: The Idaho College Murders 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.760 be your host, Emily Simpson with my sidekick Shane. I 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:10.760 love how Shane always just has a first name. It's 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:15.440 never Shane Simpson. It's like Shaer Madonna and Shane. Anyway, 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.280 we're just gonna do a little update. If you listened 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.440 to the last episode, we did a little tidbit on 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.400 this Kimberly Sullivan case, which is the crazy step mom 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.520 who kept her step son locked away for twenty years. Anyway, 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.520 there's just a little bit of an update on that. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.760 She the biological mom, which we were questioning before. Remember 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:36.839 when we were talking about this case, like where is 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.400 the Yeah, because it's the step mom that kept him 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.400 locked away. Yes, So there was a USA article that 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.400 came out that so the biological mom came forward and 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.720 the biological mom is a fifty two year old woman 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.840 named Tracy and she was who identified herself as the 0:00:54.840 --> 0:01:00.400 biological mother of Kimberly Sullivan's stepson. And she said, thirty 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.080 two years ago, due to personal reasons and for the 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.520 full benefit of my son, she made the gut wrenching 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.960 decision to give full custody to the ex husband. First 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:11.560 of all, I just have to say, as a mother, 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.319 I can never wrap my brain around someone giving away 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.960 full custody of their children, regardless of the circumstances. I 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:22.280 just I cannot imagine any scenario where I give up. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.520 My children, unless it was a full blown adoption scenario, 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.000 like a parent is giving away the child for a 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:30.160 better life. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:31.959 To go and oh, okay, no, I understand that. I 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.960 guess I don't understand a situation where you're the biological mother, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.560 you have the child, but then you give up full 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.319 custody to the other parent and you just don't want 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.520 any kind of visitation or anything anyway. She said it 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.680 was a painful, emotional decision that's hard for any mother 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.800 to make, but she thought it would have She thought 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.040 her son would have a better life, which is the 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.520 irony here in retrospect, this does not come to pass. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:57.720 For the last thirty years, my family and I have 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.640 searched for him to reconnect, only to be turned away 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.120 and shut out. So she claims that they had been 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.120 looking for him and that she had reached out, and 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.080 that basically the father and the stepmom didn't want her 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.200 to have anything to do with the child. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:11.960 Well, yeah, because she's gonna find out he was locked 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:12.520 in a room. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.400 Probably. She claims that the last few days had been 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.040 so shocking, disturbing, and disgusting to even seem true. I 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.160 hope him, pray we can all begin to heal and 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.680 help my son to lead a full, happy, loving life. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.680 I know deep in my heart I have always been 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.880 there for him and always will. Please grant us time, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.480 peace and respect as we cope with this tragic situation. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.880 So she said that she had tried to be in 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.600 her son's life. She also has a daughter who would 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.040 be the man who was I guess they never released 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.600 his name. I just keep calling him the man, but 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.680 he's the step son and the one that was the victim, 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.200 the victim that was locked away. He has a half sister, 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.639 and apparently the half sister had been using social media 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.440 and other online tools to try and find her brother 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.320 for years, but had not had any success. Well, we 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.440 know he's not on social media because he's been tortured 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:02.359 for the past twenty years. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:03.400 So you know it now. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.480 It's kind of sad because these people wanted to look 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.200 for him, and they were probably hopeful they'd have a 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.480 relationship with him. And then he was in a good 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.200 place and that maybe you know, he had good upbringing 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.440 and now they could reconnect, now that maybe the mom 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.040 is in a better situation, and only to find out 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:18.360 that he. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.880 Was you know, yeah, well, I mean, how devastated would 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.200 you be as a mother if her intent in the 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.200 beginning was really she did give up custody because she 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.560 thought he would have a better life with the father 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:31.840 who maybe was more She might. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.000 Have thought it would be less co parenting issues, and 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.520 maybe he could have some stability because maybe they were 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.240 at odds, and so she thought, you know what, instead 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.960 of me fighting this father all the time, maybe I'll 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.440 give him a stable household and just let him go. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.839 Yeah. But then to think thirty years old, I yeah, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.120 find out that you gave away full custody of your 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:50.720 child because you thought they would have a better life, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:58.400 and then you come to learn that they were locked away, starved, emaciated. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.960 Torture and almost couldn't have been a worse life. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.040 Had to set their house on fire in order to 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.920 get someone's attention and be saved. His half sister says, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.400 I just want him to know that he has a 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.080 big sister, And I've always known he had, that he's existed. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.560 I've always loved him and I've always been trying to 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.279 find him. I've been looking for him for over a decade. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.960 I wanted to wait until he was eighteen. I'm almost 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.200 thirty five now. There was nothing, no social media, no 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.960 court records. So it seems to me that she did 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:25.800 kind of try to do. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.680 A deep diet doesn't exist. And I bet you the 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.000 parents deliberately were not on the internet. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:36.400 Also, probably they were probably hiding this, hiding everything about this, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:37.240 this family life. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:38.479 Now they're all over the internet. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:44.599 Yeah. So, Kimberly Sullivan, who is the stepmom this step son. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.280 I don't know where she's at as far as a case, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.120 I mean as she was arrested, and I don't think 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.080 we've had any update, right, I. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.640 Don't know, but hope she doesn't get doesn't see the 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:54.640 light a day, right. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.280 So, the step son and his biological mother have not 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.240 connected since this discovery, which was a month ago, but 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.800 the mother told NBC Connecticut that she hopes that they 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:07.000 reunite soon. I hope so too. I hope I hope 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.760 that he has some yes, And it sounds like the 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.560 sister is very interested in being a part of his life. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.520 So hopefully there is some happy ending for this man. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.599 Because maybe he can get uh, maybe he can collect 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:20.840 the insurance proceeds from the f fire. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:25.080 He deserves at least that much. Yes, all right, here's 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.120 another interesting story. I just want to do a little 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.480 brief background on some of these smaller cases, and then 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.039 we're actually going to go into the Brian Coburger case, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.760 which is the Idaho murders case. I just I read 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.760 this and I actually found this. I don't know why 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.640 I found it interesting. Maybe because it's a husband and 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:41.880 wife and we're a husband. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:44.200 Now. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.360 I'm curious to know what it says, wife kills husband. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:48.359 I find this interesting. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.320 It's actually husband tries to kill a wife. But oh, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.719 so this is Ario and his name's Gerhard Koenig. He 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.719 is a man accused of trying to kill his wife 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.120 in Hawaii. This just recently happened. So on Monday, March 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.560 twenty fourth, forty six year old Gerhard tried to push 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.440 his wife Ariel off of a cliff in Oahu on 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.240 a trip that he planned for her birthday. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.720 So they're not from Hawaii. 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:13.880 No, I think they live in Maui. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:18.200 Actually Okay, so they're locals, yes, and so thanks for 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:22.280 her birthday, he plans a birthday trips surprise, yes. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:23.919 Push. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.919 The couple, who have been married for six years and 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.479 shared two young children together, live in Maui. Ariel told 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.960 the story of her attempted murder in her own words 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.760 and an application for a restraining order against her husband 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:35.479 on Thursday. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.240 So he how did she succeed? How did she overcome 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.520 his pushing her off a cliff? 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.720 Okay, so let's get into the details of this. Gerhard, 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.120 who is the husband, suggested that they take a hike 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.240 on a trail near one of the local lookouts. In 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.599 her court filing, she noted the topography of the trail, 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.200 saying it was very narrow ridge sections with steep drop 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.000 offs on both sides. He then won it as selfie 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.880 at the edge of the cliff, but she was uncomfortable 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.920 and moved away. He's like, no, one foot off the 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:15.640 cliffs closer a little more, she said. That was when 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.720 her husband tried to push her. He was yelling something 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.960 to the effect of get back over here. I'm so 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.720 effing sick of you, and he continued to push me. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.920 She wrote. She thought he was joking at first, I 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:26.600 don't know why I would. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.920 Oh, so he wants to give her some last words 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.120 before he pushes her off. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.360 Well, he's mad. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.600 Because she's moving away. She's not close enough to the edge, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.760 so he's yelling at her to get back over there. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.440 And then she claims that she quickly realized that he 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.200 was not joking, that he was seriously trying to make 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.280 me fall off of the cliff. She then writes, and 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.320 this is an application for a restraining order, that she 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.560 threw herself onto the ground away from the edge to 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.960 save herself, at which point her husband climbed on top 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.000 of her. At one point, she said, this is a doctor. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.480 By the way, he's an antithesiologist. He grabbed his bag 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.160 and pulled out a syringe and vial and tried to 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:06.760 inject her. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.000 He brought his medical bag. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.840 Yes, wouldn't that have been a sign? Don't you think 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:12.880 He's like, let's go on a hike, but I'm just 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.040 gonna bring my my anesthesiologists bag with me. 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:17.040 Wow. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.320 So, so he's attempting to inject her with something? 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.960 Yes, so too. Yes, So she's awesome. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.360 I know she's a badass. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:26.880 I should have pushed him off the cliff. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.040 I do not know what was in the syringe, but 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.680 Gerhardt is an antithesiologist and has access to several potentially 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.240 lethal medications as part of his employment, she wrote in 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.240 this court filing. Ultimately, the doctor who's the husband, grabbed 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.600 a rock and began to pound her in the head. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.520 Miss Koenig told police that he also grabbed her hair 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.959 and smashed her face into the ground. Luckily for her, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.800 there were two women farther down the trail that interview 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.360 that intervened, and they told police that they heard a 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.000 woman screaming for help. One of the women told police 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.040 that she ran ahead and saw a man hitting a 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.800 woman in the head with a rock. He is trying 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:01.320 to kill me. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:02.880 The woman holding a medical bag. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:07.280 Yes, a man with a medical bag and a syringe, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.240 close to the edge of a cliff on a trail 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.000 was beating her over the head with a rock. They 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:14.840 shouted that they were calling nine to one one and 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.640 the man fled. The women then helped Miss Koenig down 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.760 the trail. I like that he flees like no one's 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:22.439 going to know what's him. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.079 Hopefully they won't be identify my wife won't be able 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:26.800 to identify me. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.840 Police pull out an all points bulletin for doctor Koenig 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.520 and shut down the area around the look at and 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.160 trails during a multi hour manhunt. He was found and 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.600 taken into custody about six pm that evening. In the interim, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.839 Miss Koenig said she learned that doctor Koenig had called 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.120 one of his adult children. So he has adult children 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.480 with a different wife. I guess he called. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.960 They have a children together, they two, they have two. 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.920 Young children together, and they were married for six years. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:57.120 But apparently he called one of his adult children via FaceTime. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.440 Allegedly he was covered in blood and said I just 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.400 tried to kill Ari, but she got away. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.679 Yeah, can you can you be my alibi? 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.800 It's I hate that I'm laughing at this, but. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.160 This is well, if she didn't survive, we certainly no. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.080 But she she survived. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.520 So I mean not she didn't sur write without any trauma, right. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.240 Ms Koonig wrote that she is afraid for herself. Well, 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.200 that seems obvious at this point, her children and the 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.559 rest of her family if her husband is released on bail. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.840 His bail has been set at five million, and he 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.240 is expected back in court on March thirty first for 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.320 preliminary hearing. I find this case so interesting that I 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.240 feel like we might have to do a follow up 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.520 after his March thirty first preliminary hearing. I just clearly 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:46.000 poorly executed, clearly not well thought out, or he underestimated 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.640 how strong Yea his wife is. I think he thought 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.200 he was just going to be able to push her 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:51.480 off the edge really easily. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.240 So my goodness, all right. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.000 That to get into the bulk of what do. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.679 We know the motive? I you know, I have a. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.440 I assumed that there was a mistress because when I 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.400 was reading and it said he facetimed, I thought it 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.080 was going to say he facetimed his mistress. But it 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:07.920 wasn't his mistress. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.760 It was but his daughter wasn't in on it or 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.560 anything or there's no no, not known anything about. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.000 That, not that we know of right now, although it 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.760 makes me speculate because he called the adult child and 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:23.199 said like she got away basically, so I don't know 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.480 if other people were involved in this plot. We shall 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.720 stay tuned and let you know of any updates on 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.640 this case. But Shane is not taking me to Maui 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:40.040 or Uah anytime soon. I refuse to go all right, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.079 all right, let's get out. Have to be more creative, Yeah, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.920 to think of something better than that. Okay, let's get 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.880 into the bulk of this episode. We really wanted to 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.200 do the Brian Coburger case, which is the Idaho student murders. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.520 I've had tons and tons of you guys out there 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.480 that have been listening to legally Brunette thank you by 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.960 the way, dming me and asking us to go through it. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.560 So he he does go on trials soon. I believe 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.640 it's August eleventh, So this will be just an episode 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:10.000 of the background, the facts, the evidence, where we're at currently, 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.280 and then we hope to most likely follow the trial 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.120 once he goes to trial. Let's do a little bit 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.320 of the background of this case. Let's just give us 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.720 some background information so we're all on the same page. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.360 So in the early hours of November thirteenth and twenty 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.839 twenty two, University of Idaho students. It was Kaylee Gonkalvius 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.760 who was twenty one, Madison Mogan twenty one, Xana Kernodle 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.000 twenty and Ethan Chapin twenty. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.160 How many lived in the house. 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.560 So there were five girls that lived within the house. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.960 Ethan was staying the night with his girlfriend Xana, he 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.040 did not live in the home, and then there were 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.120 the two survivors. So on this night, on November thirteenth, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.200 twenty twenty two, there were four college students were murdered 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.400 and they're off campus residents. Thirty year old Brian Koberger 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.520 has been accused of the murders and is being charged 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.800 with four counts of first degree murder and one count 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.360 of burglary. At his arraignment, he did not I don't 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:04.880 know if you knew this, But when they asked him 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.560 how he pleaded, he just he stayed silent. So the 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.920 judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.200 He should have entered it guilty plea. If you don't 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.680 say anything, then you're gonna be guilty. Yeah, but it's 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.480 and it would be easy. Then you just sent in something. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.280 Yeah, but I feel I feel like that's unconstitutional. I 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:23.719 don't know. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.880 I wasn't talking about legality. Oh, I'm sorry, guys, clearly 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.000 a nut murder. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:36.280 Well, he is innocent until proven guilty, so we have 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.960 to we have to stick with that. If convicted, he 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.480 could face the death penalty and Idaho. Also, I know, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:43.520 I don't know if he read. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.000 This method of death penalty in Idaho. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:45.520 I don't know. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.280 I didn't look that up, but I'm going to look 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.760 it up. Okay, look up it's important facts. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.360 Yeah, I really need to prepare myself for all the questions. 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.080 I don't know what. I don't know what would it be? 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:56.600 Chair? 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.880 Electric chair or lethal injection? Aren't those the only two methods? 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:01.760 Firing squad? 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.320 They do use the firing squad. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.640 You t use the firing squad. There was someone that 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.320 was executed this month. I think I don't remember what 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:10.800 state that shows the firing squad. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.240 Oh wow, that's what I would choose. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:14.640 You would choose the firing squad. 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.680 Yeah, well, I would choose not to commit crimes that 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:21.280 are first choice. I've thought about this. You stand there 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.440 with a blindfold. Yeah, right, you don't really know what's 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:25.640 going on, and it's. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:26.840 Just you don't know what's going on. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:29.280 I guess you. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.200 Don't see what's going on, right, Like like the lethal 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.600 injection is there's too many steps. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.000 I don't understand why there's. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:41.800 Strapping you down. There's multiple injections. They you know, all 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.200 this stuff and it's like a slow process to your death. Okay, 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.040 firing squad, I go stand there, there's ten armed men 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:51.920 that stand in front of you, or however many there is, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.560 only one has a bullet. I don't know how that 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.800 really helps their conscious but yeah, that way, you don't 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.200 know who did it. That's the same with the electric share. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.720 There was multiple, which is and you flipped. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.320 Him and you didn't know which one did it. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.000 Why is that supposed to protect the person firing? 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.840 Yeah, so maybe they have some conscience of well, I 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.400 don't know if it was me they killed them, which 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.120 is like, but I was willing to point a gun 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.800 at them and pull the trigger. Anyway, it's just one 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.000 quick shot in the heart and. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:17.800 That's it and it's over. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:19.680 Yeah, so that's what you would shoot. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.680 Yeah, firing squad is now the primary method of execution, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.640 and lethal injection is an alternative. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:36.400 See that was right, that's crazy to me, all right. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.840 There were two survivors from that night. The roommates were 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.920 Dylan Mortenson and Bethany Funk. They were home at the 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.880 time of the murders. There's a lot of interesting things 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.120 are going with that. We're going to get more in 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.480 detail into that so the events of that night. After 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.320 a busy Saturday night out, all the roommates were back 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.040 at the house by approximately two am the morning of 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:00.160 November thirteenth. Kernodle and Shapen, they're the ones that are dating, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.800 had been at a party at a frat house, and 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.440 Matty Mogan and gun Calves were at a local bar. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.640 Then they stopped at a food truck. It was called 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.320 the grub Truck. I actually was very interested in the 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:11.800 food truck. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.360 I know, I knew the food truck would catch you. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.880 Yeah, I did for a late night snack. And there's 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.920 actually video surveillance on the food truck because they I 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.720 guess what they do. They put it onto TikTok or 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.760 something like all the it's like a like a marketing 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.360 a marketing thing for them. So there was actually very clear. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.920 Footage of provide security. They might document in case someone steals. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:36.720 Someone seals tacos. Come again, right, If I was ever 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.920 going to commit a crime, it would be something It would. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.000 Be sealing eating someone's it would be eating. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.400 Somebody else's tacos. Yeah. Xana Kernodle briefly left her room 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.760 to grab a door dash order at around four a m. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.720 According to court documentary. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.160 You know, it's really funny that all these things nowadays 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.840 provide a digital footprint like door dash, you know, ring camera, yes, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.160 door dash, even the food truck has apparently is live 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:02.200 streaming or whatever. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.840 I do know, honestly, I was thinking about this in 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.600 this case because the digital footprint is so interesting on 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:12.159 how they tracked Brian Coberger back to this crime, and 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.600 it made me think it's really difficult to commit crimes now. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:19.520 Well, certain crimes apparently you can push someone off a cliff. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:20.000 As well as you're. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.160 On these trails. 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:28.320 Everything here is going to be like modern day like tracking, right, That's. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:29.000 How they got to Ghettle. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.600 So the third floor of the house house gone Calvez 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.280 and her dog in one room, and then Mogan was 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.400 in another bedroom. Yet the night when the murders occurred, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.240 the two of them were sleeping in the same bed 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.000 when they were murdered, and the dog was in the 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.520 other room. Cernodle and Shapin were on the second floor, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.040 and so was Mortensen, and Mortenson was the one that lived. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.800 According to the affidavit, Funk was alone occupant on the 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.280 first floor, where the front door was Around four am 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.120 Mortenson woke up to noises up stairs, and she told 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.359 police she thought gon Kalviz was playing with her dog 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.400 on the third floor. Then she heard crying coming from 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.600 the direction of Kernodle's room and looked outside once more. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.720 From above, she then felt like she heard a male 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.159 voice that was in shape and saying something to the 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.400 effect of it's okay, I'm going to help you. This 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.840 is all according to the affidavit that was filed, it's 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.440 not clear where the male's voice was coming from. Mortensen 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.879 heard crying again and open the door. I think this 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.680 is the third time. She opens the door, and this 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.640 time when she opens the door, she sees a figure 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.960 clad in black clothing with a mask covering their mouth 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:43.240 and nose, walking forward towards her. Then she freezes, is 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:47.000 what she says. She's just stand there shot and he 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.920