WEBVTT - Euphegenia Doubtfire Is A Trans Icon 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.960 Did missus Delfhire tuck? No, because she was wearing those 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.560 long skirts, but she was also wearing pantyhose. I if 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.680 Robin Williams character is assists man, I don't think he would. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.600 I don't think he would talk No. I I think 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.840 I think she tucked for the experience to feel fish, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.119 to feel fish, you wanted to feel the soft and 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:29.159 Quint Welcome to Like a Virgin the show where we 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:35.159 give yesterday's pop culture today's tanks. I'm Rose, damn you. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.519 I am Francrondo, and I love that you gave that 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.560 a What did you do to die? To die today? 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.920 At a minute or two until two? You really think 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.559 distinctly hard to say, but hard or still to do? 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.600 The um? Did you ever have to what other like 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.560 kind of did you have to do? Buddy gum money 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.599 and cut to cut? Oh? I had to do all 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.160 of them, you know, a girl? Oh, I know. I 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.400 literally went to acting school and to do all of them. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.560 Speak red leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather, red leather, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.040 yellow leather. Speaking of acting school, I did ditch my 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:12.480 last class. Good good. I feel like after after your 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.280 venting session on air last week, I think that was 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.920 the right choice to make. Well, I don't think anybody 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.200 in the class like well knows who I am or 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.040 like what that I have that I'm talking. No, I 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.440 meant the right choice for you. Oh, thank you, thank 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:31.520 you because you because you m had so many um uh, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.319 you know, negative things to say about it, like, yeah, 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.520 I really did, and I should I should also say 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.040 that I just for the record that I did not ditch, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.480 so to speak. It is it was like my last 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:48.080 full day in la or was and was supposed to be. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.120 You were supposed to be in New York today, but 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.840 you're not. I texted you bright and early this morning. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.680 I texted you Taylor Swift's masterpiece Welcome to New York, 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.800 which I thought was really nice and welcoming of me. Yeah, 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.360 and you were still in Los Angeles. No. I really 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.720 appreciated the message, even though I do kind of think 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.000 that's the worst song on nineteen eighty nine, and let's 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.560 not I don't want to start a fight or the show. Well, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.280 I don't think it's bad. I just think it's you know, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.120 my least face. No, no no, no, move on. Oh my god. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.240 Um well, I had let me tell you I saw 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.960 Phoebe on Sunday. It was quite lovely. We we missed you. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.680 We wished you were at my moving sale. Oh I 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.600 thought you guys were just hooked up. Yeah, we Um. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.600 Phoebe came to pick up a night a night stand, 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:39.280 some some dishware after hustling me on prices. Is that right, Phoebe? 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:44.359 We really had some negotiation happening. So um, how generally 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.919 was the sale? Did you get rid of lots of stuff? Rose? 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:54.400 I actually don't think I was prepared for what actually happened. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.920 I sent out an email the night before that was like, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.919 do not come before noon if I hear a buzz 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.880 before noon? Like, no, I didn't like, I will not respond. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:09.040 Twelve oh one, I get a buzz, I go down 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.760 to like let this person in. There is a line 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.840 of more than twenty people. LA's Hottest Club is easily 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:23.160 easily two dozen people waiting outside my apartment. I was 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.440 so gooped, like and I honestly, here's the thing. Did 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.240 you take any of nonloads that day? I did? I did? 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.720 I take seventy five loads? The guy that took seventy 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.240 five loads literally lives a few blocks away from that apartment. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.240 He was probably at the sale. He was probably what wait, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.080 did you wait? Phoebe just told us that she hooked 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.720 up with someone in the bathroom a friends moving sale. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.280 What Phoebe, Phoebe, Phoebe, are you making an appearance on 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.400 the show? I need? Actually, do you want to share? 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.200 Can you? You're like, I can't. Well, the well, the 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.320 versions will just have to you know, well, this will 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.160 remain cloaked in mystery. Okay, this will remain cloaked in mystery. Um, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.200 all you need to know is that, um, you know Rose, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.120 you and I we had We've had a lot of 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.320 trials and tribulations with Los Angeles flight culture. It's really 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.640 difficult to get people to show up for things on time, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.920 let alone show up to things at all. And now 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.240 I figured out that if I ever want any of 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.040 my friends, loved one's, colleagues, followers to show up to something, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.600 all I have to do is tell them that I'm 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.200 having in a state sale and they will show up 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.880 on time because they think you're dead. And I have 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.000 to pay respects to your your your exquisite corpse. And 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.240 you know, I use the word I use the term 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.200 of state sale like as a joke. And I don't 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.680 quite know if everyone there thought it was a joke. Um, 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.240 but I did sell really nice stuff. So you're a 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.159 state sale because I finally killed you, Yes, because you 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.960 finally killed me. But um, anyways, what did you do 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:55.680 this weekend? Rose? Um? I had um sex, lot of sex. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.359 I am in such I know we talked about that. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.000 I was like trying to jump start a slut era. Honey, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.240 it has been started. It has been the parties as 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.159 in the immortal words of Pink. Um, what is the 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.160 actually what is the pink song that I'm referencing? U. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.880 Let let's get this party started. Yeah, I get this 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:23.280 fatties dat it Um? Yeah, I am a whore. I'm 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:31.320 I am in. I am in a whore era. Um. 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.000 You know, this weekend I had some sex. I went 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:42.080 to a screening of the classic animated film Anastasia um 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:46.039 with a friend of the show and and friend Hunter 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.279 Harris at Nighthawk, which was, Um, it was like a 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.760 BuzzFeed comments section in a movie theater. Was there was there, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.680 you know, a talk back afterward about about the Russian 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.040 dynasty and no nobody Scott this guy did introduce the 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.520 movie and he felt it necessary to tell us that 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.320 he was gay, and it was like, Babe, we knew, honey, 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:13.320 you're introducing Anastasia, you're a homosexual. I also ran into 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.159 a Rosebud while I was out furniture shopping. That was 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.960 very nice. I love my fans. There were many Rosebuds 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.920 furniture shopping at my at my sale this this weekend. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.160 Who I forgot They wanted to all send their love 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.080 to you. A lot of people saying a lot of 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.080 people at the sales saying say hi to Rose, say 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.320 hi to Rose, Um, why is a Rose here? A 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.279 lot of people that didn't know that you're not in 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:38.839 La anymore. A lot of realized that is. Some people 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.320 don't don't seem to be don't seem to have caught 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.240 onto the fact that I switched coasts. No, No, A 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.479 lot of people, you know, still kind of figuring it out. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.040 And that's how you like it. You like to keep 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.200 people on your toes about your exact location at any time. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.480 And I want an air of mystery around me at 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.320 literally all times. And myself take I take a lot 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:04.120 of pride in and actually I'm very profitable in um 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.039 making sure that no one knows where I live at 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.360 any time, nor what I do for a living. Um, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.600 and I think that that is just something that listen 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.600 that just because you don't do anything for a living, 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.280 because I don't, because I don't do anything of us 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.840 and I don't have jobs, I don't do anything, and 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.040 I don't live anywhere, and that is just what should 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.960 be said. Well that's all about to change, mama, it is. Um. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.480 You know what else I did this weekend? So on 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.280 on Friday night, after watching drag Race, some friends and 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.000 I decided to start rewatching and just like that, which 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.600 I have not watched so since it was first airing, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.160 so what the fuck? And then then I just and 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.880 then um, one of them had to leave because they're 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.880 like family. Cat died and so I just so I 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.160 just kept watching and just like that, and then watched 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.160 it the next day too, and watched the whole season 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:01.640 in like two days. And it it really is as 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:06.160 insane as we remember it being. It's like, it's not 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.480 that it's bad, like this is the thing. It's not, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.120 it's not, but it just the things that we remember 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.720 about it, like the the chadas of it all, the 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.240 like extreme wokeness, that all is as bad as you 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:28.960 remember it because it's such an overcorrection like that is 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.520 that directly comes from all the criticisms that were always 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:34.840 you know, leveled at Sex in the City that it 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.560 didn't reflect the real New York City because it wasn't diverse, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.760 and you know the ways it treated you know, queer 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.760 people and people of color, and it just like it 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.199 just corrected those things in the wrong way instead of 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:55.960 actually folding queer people and people of color organically into 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:02.360 the story, it like made Chaday. Yeah. But you know, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.280 and like every person on the show is like a 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:11.400 non binary diva, I mean kind of. Yeah. I feel 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.920 like Miranda's going to transition at some point. I think 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.160 it's happening. Well, did you see that tweet that was 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.320 going around of the photo that someone had taken in 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.280 LA and it said Chay and Miranda are fighting on 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:28.880 my street. Oh no, yeah, so I do think that Chay. Well, 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.040 this is what I'm hoping and what I'm thinking, Okay, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.280 is that you know, Miranda will go to La with Chay. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.559 That's how the second season will start. But I think 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.200 they'll break up with it'll break up pretty yeah, And 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.720 because Miranda has to come back to New York and 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.520 I think they'll want to get rid of Chay. I 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.320 think so that he's more of a looming presence as 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.679 opposed to an every day did I say he You 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:59.400 did well, well, Fran just miss gendered Chay Diaz. Oh 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.120 my god, I'm sorry. I'm just sorry the jokes. I 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.400 couldn't have written it better myself. I'm honestly disoriented. I 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:13.040 the non binary trans podcaster misgendered the non binary trans podcast. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.960 I honestly okay, maybe I will tell the virgins. Maybe 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.800 maybe I'm just kind of still in a certain headspace 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.360 after seeing radios out at Comment Everybody a few weeks ago, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.760 where where they were giving heat, maybe they were giving 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.679 he him in the kind of leather snapback they were 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.000 they were wearing, and it just it stuck with me. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.599 But I that I appreciate you holding me accountable in 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.760 that moment. I always be. I WI shouldn't be perceiving 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.920 gender at any time, at any point um in any way, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.320 thank you. Should we not shall not be perceiving gender, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.040 No never. We shouldn't be assuming gender, but we should 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.680 be perceiving it. No no, no, gender should never be perceived. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.840 We should just actually see everyone as like just faceless, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.000 gooey like orbs, just these floating balls of light. You're 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.200 really reminding me of what I was doing this weekend, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:04.640 that floating balls of light onni Okay, okay, here's I 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.960 have a bone to pick with men. Okay, Why why 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.480 do you jerk off when we're going to hook up? 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.440 Why do you jerk off before I get there? Do? People? 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.320 I realized that I'm being yeah, and I realized that 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.920 I'm being hypocritical because I said recently, oh yeah, I 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.319 like to jerk off for I have a hookup. But 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.880 I know, I know myself, and I know that for me, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.720 that's a warm up. And then I have at least 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:38.840 two more nuts left in me. And these fuckers I 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.640 show up and they're fucking soft. And it's like, it's 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:45.280 one thing if you like can't get hard and you're 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.200 just like it's whatever, Like it's fine, don't worry about it. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.400 But like, if you can't get hard and you want 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.520 me to suck your dick pretending like it's hard in 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.959 an effort to get you hard, No, no, no, no no 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:01.400 no no, this is not improv class baser. Yes I'm 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.360 saying I'm saying no, but I'm saying no, but um 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:10.280 no and no but you're soft, No but you're soft. Yeah, 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.920 I don't. I don't really want to to solve the 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.120 Swedish puzzle box, that is, how do I get you 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:19.440 hard again? Um, Sometimes, especially with guys these days or 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.200 people with dicks who are just you know, we're they're 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:27.200 onto antidepressants, on adderall on estradile, on all of the 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.520 things of the above, all of the all of the 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.720 some of us for some of us, all of the above, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.000 alex some some divas, yeah, some divas among us. I 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.840 have multiple Bonard deterrence in our system and therefore, you know, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:42.800 can't get it up. But like, if I have to 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.719 figure that out, it's like that is that is a 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.880 I really care about you. I'm going to figure if 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.679 I'm going to figure that out for you. And if 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.280 I don't, then you don't have to be hard and 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.280 and that's okay, Well we'll find It's like, I'm fine 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.360 if you're not hard. I don't feel any sort of 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.200 way about it. If you're still down to clown. You know, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.720 if I know them like I feel like I do, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.480 if I already kind of know what their thing is like, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.559 if I know you love nipples or if I know 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.280 you love x y Z. It is kind of fun 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.839 sometimes to be like, Okay, let's get your engines revved, sweetie. Um, 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.040 but I uh yeah, no, it's it's it requires a 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.400 lot of a lot of patients, time consideration, and uh 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.520 that's just those are things that you and I that 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:28.920 girls have. Yeah, I don't have the spoons. Don't have 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:33.400 to care about to care about your flaccid penis, especially 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.120 not when I I just feel like I give so much. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:43.120 I'm always hard. I am. It's just never been a 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.160 problem for me. I like, don't I don't get it. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:50.000 And I just feel similarly like, um, I can't get 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.960 I'm hard right now, I'm hard right And I on 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.839 the flip side, um can't really get hard for the 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.400 boner deterrence aforementioned. And so you know, you just you 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.800 just pop up viagara, much like Samantha in season two 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.960 of is that season two of Sex in the City. Yeah, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:06.840 I watched it the other night because after I finished 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.480 and just like that, what did I do? I started 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.560 watching Sex in the City. I'm Samantha getting addicted to 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.120 VIAGRAA is actually one of the funniest things that's ever 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.000 happened on Sex in the City, her singing operatically as 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:24.200 the guy Fox her Yeah, comedy go. She did that 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.200 a couple of times. She sort of had an operatic 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.400 crescendo more than one. She's kind of giving some and 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:51.280 she's also kind of you being Hello, Hello, don't are 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:59.040 you there? God? It's me Missus Doubtfire? Hello? Hello? Why? 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:06.920 Why that? Why that is? Why is it so funny? 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:14.240 Because it is? Because it is? Um Okay, So, Missus 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:20.920 Doubtfire is a trans icon. That's where we're starting. That's 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:25.600 where we're starting. Definitive statement, fully supported by every person 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:33.160 on this podcast by on iHeartRadio Incorporated llc UM critics, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.240 all podcasts were aware. Yes, yes, Missus Doubtfire is a 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:44.200 trans icon. Yes, before Disclosure, there was Missus before Doubtfire 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:49.800 featured in Disclosure. Yeah it is. It is because let's 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.960 in a negative way, right, yeah, so is this ship 0:15:54.080 --> 0:16:00.000 is we versions? We are so excited to do that. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.600 As we've said before, Missus Doubtfire was a primordial episode 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:09.640 of this podcast, a pre eminent practice episode that rosen 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.320 I did. Um So rosen I were not virgins to 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:18.040 this movie. Obviously it is. It is as Monocultures and 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.520 one of the formative films of my childhood. It's also 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.280 the reason i'm trans It's the reason it's the reason 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.360 I'm trans. No. When I went, when I went to 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:31.640 callen Lord fateful day in February, I said, give me 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.040 the Missus Doubtfire special stat when I when I go 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.280 to Spain for my ffs, I'm showing them a photo 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:46.120 of Missus Doubtfire. Um of m Euphagenia doubtfire if Agenia. Yeah. Um, okay, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.560 so wait I we're jumping up going back. So um 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.760 missus Doutfire obviously was mentioned in disclosure in a negative way. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.440 And yeah, it does belong to this era of just 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.960 to like level set with visions. It does belong to 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:03.200 this era of movies where men dressing up as women. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.359 Whether it was like um, Big Mama's House. Yeah, quote 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.399 quote unquote Big Mama's House, Um tutsie, which I've actually 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.639 never seen. Um, Like these movies were in like men 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.120 dressing up as women are like hiding out as women. Um. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.440 And that's like the gag was like, you know, the 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:25.040 peak of comedy and it was still is still still is. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.840 Oh I don't care, And this is if this is 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.040 the episode that finally guts us canceled, you know, be 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:39.800 it so, be it so for anyone who is a 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.520 virgin to missus doubtfire. It is in nineteen ninety three 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:49.960 UM comedy starring Robin Williams, who is daddy, Let's be clear. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.240 And also in this film is Mommy is mother mother? 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.119 So um so it starts Robin Williams, also Sally Field 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:04.159 icon brasnin Harvey Fierstein like this cast is stacked. It 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.280 was directed by UM Chris Columbus, who also directed the 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:13.919 home alone films the first two Harry Potter movies jk Rowling, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:19.240 jk Rowling, UM Connection, It's all It's it's all connected. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.440 This this was the film that radicalized jk Rowling as 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.440 as a rad film. I was gonna say that's that's 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.240 Actually the only thing that connects us to to jk 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.080 Rowling is that we this is both our favorite films. Yeah, 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.440 for very different reasons, for very different reasons. Yeah, but 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.000 there's some overlaps. So the movie. The movie is about UM, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.880 a man named, quote unquote, man named Daniel Hillard who 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.040 um you know. He He and his wife Sally Field 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.480 UM have three kids. And their marriages and trouble and 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.760 he's a voice actor, like I think, like the opening 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.320 of the film is so iconic where he's doing, um, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:04.240 the the animation dubbing and um, you know, sally Field 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:09.040 decides to divorce him and he is, you know, not 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.040 not going to be allowed to see his kids, and 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.040 so as a way to get to spend time with them, 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.480 m he finds out that sally Field is looking for 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.760 a nanny and he creates, with the help of his 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.840 brother Harvey Fierstein, this character of missus Doubtfire, who's this 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:29.840 older English like the perfect like quintessential older English lady 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.719 who you know, comes in and cares for the children 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.440 and sort of like, um, changes everyone everyone's lives for 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.880 the better, but it's actually their dad. In drag bootleg 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.639 transsexual Mary Poppins is kind of like what is happening 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:48.560 a little bit? Yes, um and um, you know this 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:54.600 film was a huge, a huge success. It grossed four 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.600 hundred and forty one point three million dollars on a 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:04.880 twenty five million dollar budget. Um, I did not know that. Yes, 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.639 as Phoebe just said, the best drag show in the world, 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:12.639 the most successful drag show in history, RuPaul wishes, and 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.240 it really is a film that has I think stood 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.879 the test of time. It was made into a physical 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.320 that I don't think was super successful. It's one of 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:27.240 my favorite nineties movies. It I think at the time 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.920 like spoke to me as a child, like I of 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.280 course I could make jokes about you know, like the 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.840 cross drive site and transniss of it all. But I 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:40.080 think the thing that I really um liked about it 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.200 as a kid was thought it was a story about 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.120 a family going through a divorce, and I'm a child 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.560 of divorce, oh and so, and I think like particularly that, 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.359 particularly this time in the nineties, there was a I 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.720 don't I don't know a lot of people from that 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.560 time my life whose parents didn't get divorced. And so 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.440 I think maybe like this was the right moment for 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.280 this movie in the culture. And something else that I 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.960 think should be noted and part of why I think 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.680 the reason Missus Doutfire stands the test of time. But 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.480 despite being quote unquote problematic in some ways, is that 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.040 Robin Williams is there's no one who can do what 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.120 he does what he did and does in this movie 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:25.920 so expertly and perfectly like he has an unpredictability and 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.600 so many of the things that he says on screen 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.240 are completely improvised. M And I don't know. Yeah, I 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.680 just I'm sorry Phoebe Phoebe, Phoebe just dropping in the 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.440 chat that she had that that I wanted Sally Field 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.440 and Missus Doutfire to hook up, which like, listen, we 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.959 can find you that fan fiction or that fan art. 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.840 Sure it exists to back up rows. When you do 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.760 you remember like first seeing this movie, Yeah, I'm pretty 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.879 sure I saw it in theaters. Okay, do you remember, like, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.800 even if it wasn't that viewing, do you remember just 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.760 how the movie made you feel as a kid, because 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.800 I feel like I can kind of pinpoint it. Yeah, 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:11.359 I um loved. I have a very you know, vivid 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.800 memories of especially that opening scene where he's in the 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.320 recording booth, and I think like this was one of 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:21.320 the first times that Robin Williams became, um, you know, 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:26.640 a figure in my childhood, like through this film. Um, 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.280 I think mostly like my experience of it were impressions 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.800 like Missus Doubtfire with the cake on her face, and um, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.239 Pierce Brosnan getting out of the pool was like an 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:42.159 early like erotic memory of mine and um, you know, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.879 Sally Field kind kind of being like the shrill like 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:51.480 working mom was very I mean, um, not not I 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.880 wouldn't want to say true to my own life experience, 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:58.240 but like it was certainly familiar. Um, and yeah, I 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:04.840 just thought like this was there. I do think there 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:08.800 was like kind of a golden age of like family 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:14.040 comedies around this time, because they think later those morphed 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.480 into in the later nineties, those morphed into rom coms. 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.480 And this was really like fun for the whole family 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:24.760 and it was like specifically a family story and there 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:29.480 wasn't really any romance in it. And that's something kind 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.480 of amazing about it, as like a cultural object. Is 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.280 that me some a kid who was like so so 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.280 sheltered somehow this was like slipped through the c This 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.600 is something that all parents, so many different backgrounds still 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.640 wanted to watch even though it's about like a cross stresser, 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.000 and um, you know, in terms of like my earliest memories, 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.920 I do I watched it with my family. Like, my 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.000 family loved this movie. There was nothing kind of like 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.840 weird or problematic about it. But I remember the moment 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:04.240 where Robin Williams goes over to Harvey Harvey Fierstein's house, right, 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:09.160 and he's a fagot and they're putting him in drag 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.479 and I remember being like, what the fuck is happening? 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.040 Like what's going on? Like it like seminal like gender 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.639 things in me were terrified. I was like, this is 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.520 so scary and I've never seen this before. That scene 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.119 definitely wasn't awakening, and I think for me what it 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:31.600 was was, I it was my first experience of, even 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.520 though I didn't recognize that at a time, seeing other 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:40.960 queer people having a shared language and wanting to understand 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.800 the things that they were referencing, Like when she looked 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.560 kind of like Barbara and they started singing make a Match, 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:50.600