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Speaker 1: Quint Welcome to Like a Virgin the show where we

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Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's tanks. I'm Rose, damn you.

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Speaker 1: I am Francrondo, and I love that you gave that

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Speaker 1: a What did you do to die? To die today?

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Speaker 1: At a minute or two until two? You really think

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Speaker 1: distinctly hard to say, but hard or still to do?

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Speaker 1: The um? Did you ever have to what other like

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Speaker 1: kind of did you have to do? Buddy gum money

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Speaker 1: Speak red leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather, red leather,

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Speaker 1: yellow leather. Speaking of acting school, I did ditch my

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Speaker 1: last class. Good good. I feel like after after your

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Speaker 1: the right choice to make. Well, I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: I texted you Taylor Swift's masterpiece Welcome to New York,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was really nice and welcoming of me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad. I just think it's you know,

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Speaker 1: my least face. No, no no, no, move on. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Um well, I had let me tell you I saw

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Speaker 1: Phoebe on Sunday. It was quite lovely. We we missed you.

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Speaker 1: We wished you were at my moving sale. Oh I

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Speaker 1: thought you guys were just hooked up. Yeah, we Um.

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Speaker 1: Phoebe came to pick up a night a night stand,

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Speaker 1: We really had some negotiation happening. So um, how generally

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Speaker 1: I actually don't think I was prepared for what actually happened.

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Speaker 1: to like let this person in. There is a line

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Speaker 1: of more than twenty people. LA's Hottest Club is easily

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Speaker 1: You know, this weekend I had some sex. I went

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Speaker 1: Why do you jerk off before I get there? Do? People?

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Speaker 1: an effort to get you hard, No, no, no, no no

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Speaker 1: trans you know what I mean? This is you know there.

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00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: I think there are a few readings of this film,

423
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: Like there is like the very literal reading of what

424
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: it is. There's also a very drag reading of this film.

425
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: And there's also a ter reading. There's a turf reading

426
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: of this film. And I do think there's a trans

427
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: reading of this film because because um, you know, there

428
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: is there is a way you could look at this

429
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: film and say, like this person is um, you know,

430
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: experiencing gender euphoria by inhabiting this you know, female presentation

431
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: that at the end of the movie, Like, I think

432
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about this movie is that it doesn't

433
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: end with Missus Doubtfire being cast off. She still exists

434
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: through the end of the film, and like it almost

435
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: is like, you know, Daniel has emerged with Missus Doubtfire.

436
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: And I do think like in a sequel film is

437
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: maybe like he is, she is living full time as

438
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: a Jenia Doubtfire. Oh yes, oh yes, I mean she's

439
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: if she's a star as if a Jenia, then she's

440
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: a star. Okay, let's keep it there. Um, Like I think,

441
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: I think, I think, Um, Missus Doubtfire is like the

442
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: pro to like trans show girl, like starts off doing

443
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: drag and then and then transitions. Yeah, and had to

444
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: do it in secret, right, Like when she was doing drag,

445
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: no one knew she was doing drag and drag and

446
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of you know drag drag art firms

447
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: at the time. It's like you had to be incognito,

448
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: you had to cause play as a woman, like you

449
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: had to be a quote unquote cross dresser. And let's say,

450
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: the order to be viable by culture and let's say

451
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: this Missus Doubtfire, unclockable, unclockable. Not a single person clock

452
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: Turte never, never, single person in this clock Turte. If

453
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: only I could, if only I could be as unclockable,

454
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: if only I could pass as hard as Missus Doubtfire

455
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: Halloween costume. This year, maybe I will be Missus dolfire, considering,

456
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: considering that you're like previous best Halloween costume is also

457
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: that of an old woman old rose? Is that the

458
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: secret to being is that the secret to passing like

459
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: to be elderly? Elderly? Yeah, it's because like there is

460
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: something about age that's like a little it's like so

461
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: gendered while also being like a little post gender. That

462
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: maybe is the sweet spot of unclockability. Yeah, I mean yeah.

463
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Look when Alexis Stone puts on that Missus Doubtfire drive

464
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: for the fucking Valenciaga show Unclockable, no one would ever

465
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: look twice at her. Okay, um yeah, I oh god,

466
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I she is. I really do. I would never want

467
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: a reboot of this movie, but I would no, no, no,

468
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: no never, no. I don't want them to touch it.

469
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: It would be so bad it would make woke. Yes,

470
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: they would try to make a chance they would try

471
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: to make a woke And also this just this movie

472
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: can't really exist without Robin Williams. It's just there's no

473
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: one that can do a version of it. There's no

474
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: one who can take what Robin did and do something

475
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: different like it just it can't be done. But like

476
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: I do, I do think the fashion is great, and

477
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: that's something that's like kind of funny about Alexis Stone

478
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: as Missus Doubtfire. Now it's like the old lady like

479
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: floral print thing is in like Granny is in. Yes,

480
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: let's be clear, Missus Doubtfire was serving kunt. She's serving

481
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: you cut she's giving cunt to cut um. Is this

482
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: your favorite Robin Williams performance? No, just because Aladdin was

483
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: a very formative object in like my childhood between me

484
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: and my mom when I was like like five six,

485
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: like my earliest one of my earliest cultural memories is

486
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: watching Aladdin. And I love that you latched onto the

487
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: first scene when he's doing all these voices, because all

488
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: the voices that Robin Williams does in that scene are

489
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: one probably a lot of them are improvised. But two, actually,

490
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I remember watching something about Robin Williams

491
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: and learning that many of those voices are actually improvised.

492
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: But in Aladdin as well, a lot of those lines

493
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: are improvised, and they like did the animation around it.

494
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: And I just think that what Robin does as a

495
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: voice actor specifically, which is again showcased, if not kind

496
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: of um, it's like a kind of cipher for Robin

497
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: Williams as a character in a little bit in a

498
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: few ways as a very talented voice actor that like,

499
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: his ability to vacillate between so many different personalities is

500
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: like fucking cool, Like it's and when you watch him

501
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: do it on the mic, you're like, how is he

502
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: doing that? And I think that that was encapsulated in Aladdin?

503
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: What about you? Is that I'm assuming this is your face?

504
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: It is missus Daalfhier, although I will say I'll Thoria

505
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Curveball and say that a close second for me is

506
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: one of his rare dramatic roles. Have you ever seen

507
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: What Dreams May Come? No? What is that? Okay? What

508
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Dreams May Come is this movie that was on HBO

509
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: like all the time when I was a kid, or

510
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: like maybe Showtime or Cinemax, And it's a film in

511
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: which Robin Williams dies and goes to Heaven and his

512
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: like Guardian angel Is I think played by Cuba Gooding Jr.

513
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: But then his wife, who's still alive, kills herself and

514
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: goes to Hell, and so he leaves Heaven and goes

515
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: to Hell to say of her. And it's it's a

516
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: very like, really visually stunning movie. And it wasn't probably

517
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: a flop, but I really appreciate it. You know, I've

518
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: never seen Dead Poets Society. Oh, you wouldn't like it

519
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: that much, but I don't. It's like a it's like

520
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: a slow It's just it's a slow, sad movie about

521
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: like masculinity and pedagogy and like mentorship. Oh pass, Yeah,

522
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: gorgeously written, like really, earnest Um doesn't really it's a

523
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: it's a doesn't really have a lot of laughs. A

524
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: lot it doesn't have. It doesn't have the Robin Williams

525
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of characterizations. It has the Robin Williams who had depth,

526
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: the Robin Williams who you know was sitting with so

527
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: much darkness that we never really knew about as well. Yeah,

528
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I did. Used to watch Mork and Mindy a lot

529
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: when it was on that's the gay one. It's well,

530
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean kind of he's an alien, so like, oh right,

531
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's kind of gay. Adams has played

532
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: gay before, and something were going, do you think Robin

533
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Williams is hot? Because I do. I think he's so sexy.

534
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: The only time I thought that Robin was hot was

535
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: when I was seeing some of a lot of these

536
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of whenever we see like occasional tributes to Robin

537
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Williams or like no one did it like Robin Williams,

538
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Like I love this air where everyone's like yeah, like

539
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: Robin Williams was out here wearing like JPG and like yes,

540
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: like great fashion, like gender bending like on on these

541
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of step and repeats and red carpet moments looking

542
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: fine like but also having a point of view in

543
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: men's style that no one else had. He was very daddy.

544
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: He was he was uncle. He was so uncle. He

545
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: oh wait, that is so on the nose rose like.

546
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: He was not giving daddy, he was giving uncle. He

547
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: was so uncle for that. He was Unkey's uncle Ronnie's

548
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 1: New Horror. He's the uncle in Uncle Ronnie's New hor

549
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Real real virgin will get that reference. Um. He like

550
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: he's so he's so hairy and like he's a little

551
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: short and like the glasses. Um, I think he's kind

552
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: of sexy in Jumanji. Jumanji is another great Robin Williams movie. Same, yeah,

553
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: I loved Jumanji growing up. Do you think Missus Doubtfire

554
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: is a dike? Yeah, absolutely, like the honey she plays

555
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: soccer like she is a soccer diema. Okay. Oh Phoebe

556
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: also said he was kind of gay and flubber, which

557
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: is totally true. Another movie. I was allowed to watch

558
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: almost any Robin Williams movie growing up, and I did

559
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: watch that movie. Um yeah, wait, you know what part

560
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: I love and Missus Doubtfire is when Missus Doubtfire is

561
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: like kind of getting drunk and the guy starts hitting

562
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: on her and her her leg hair is showing, and

563
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: the guy's like like, fine with me, Fine with me,

564
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm into it. Hey, I like that you're like that,

565
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: And I think I think Missus Delfire was like, I

566
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: think it's very much like um person who transitions and

567
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: like has historically been straight or like only into women,

568
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, through experimenting with gender they start

569
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: to find that there, you know, sexuality is a bit

570
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: more fluid. Yeah exactly. I mean that wasn't the conversation,

571
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: but like that's the conversation we're having right now. Um,

572
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm dread obviously, Like so I feel like rose between

573
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: you and I and the history of this podcast, the

574
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: moment where we were like, oh, this is the funniest

575
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: movie on the planet is obviously when Missus Delfire plunges

576
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: her face into a cream pie. I do think it

577
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: was coconut cream pie key lime, Yeah, coconut key lime.

578
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: A moment it was it was it was actually a

579
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Sunday riley or lemon merangue pie. Maybe it's probably lemon

580
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: merangue yeah, um yeah, yeah exactly. And I don't know what,

581
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: but something happened between you and I, Rose, something happened

582
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: that like singed us together like that. That's when that's

583
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: when she says hello, can we do another? One? One, two, three? Hello?

584
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: And and it was just like it was, Um, nothing

585
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: has ever been funnier, nothing in the film has ever

586
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: been funnier than Missus Doltfire saying hello, Yes, it's ineffable,

587
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: it's in effigenia, it's it is it is like really

588
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: like it was just fucking it was just funny, and

589
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: and I think that, honestly, part of the reason that

590
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Rose and I are being like a little trolley is

591
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: because there is something absurdly funny about like a man

592
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: dressing up as a woman and like being the hero

593
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: of the story by way of like tricking, tricking, if

594
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: not like usurping non consensually, his like friends family loved

595
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: ones um in a way that like turfs, hey, you know,

596
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: in the way that turfs like demonize and in ways

597
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: that in this part of culture were monocultural. It's also

598
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: very like Shakespearean almost, It's like a little like Moliere,

599
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: like French farce. Oh yeah, a comedy of errors, you know,

600
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, and the drag of it all,

601
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: the scene at the restaurant where he has to keep

602
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: where she has to keep, she has to keep, you know,

603
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: getting in and out of her guiche the whole time,

604
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: the whole time. You know. Obviously, like a lot of

605
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: what we're saying about missed out hard being a trans

606
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: movie or like a little tongue in cheek, But there

607
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: are so many parts of it that I look back

608
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: at now and resonate with me so strongly, Like the

609
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: scene with irony with no irony, like the scene where

610
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: um missus Doubtfire's son clocks her tea when she sees

611
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: her standing up and peeing. Yes, like that is trans

612
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: experience trans not honestly, nothing is like more gender affirming

613
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: and more gender destroying than like lifting like the lifting

614
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: my skirt up at a urinal to piss, which obviously

615
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: like I have not done in a very long time.

616
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: It's like real, It's like I think the last time

617
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: I did it was like at the Glad Awards in

618
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I think I saw that photo. Um, I yeah,

619
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: I I you know, to be transparent, ip sitting down,

620
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: but I but I do. But it is trans It

621
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: is like there's there is a thing where it's just

622
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: like that is a thing, that's a that's that's a thing,

623
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: and we immediately latch onto it. Um yeah, I think

624
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: that that kind of namable, that unnamable trans quality is

625
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: just I definitely saw it as a kid and also

626
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: understand it also much like Missus Delfire, I do put

627
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: on a full set of prosthetics every day before I

628
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: go outside, and that's you know, that's what makes it

629
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: even harder when I do get miss gendered because it's like,

630
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: what the fuck did I fucking glue all the ship

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Speaker 1: to my face for? Yeah? Um the double DS and

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00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: a top and bottom of Veneers that I have on

633
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Speaker 1: right now? You are still calogging me, how dare Missus

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00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Doubtfire was giving? Body? Do you? Okay? Okay? If we're

635
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Speaker 1: looking at Missus Doubtfire Okay. We talked a little bit

636
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Speaker 1: about like from a trans perspective, but I think a

637
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: lot of drag queens love Missus Doubtfire as a drag figure,

638
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: and like there's certainly so much there in the in

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00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: the movie to support that reading or like that legacy

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00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: that she has. M your actu actually pointing out something

641
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: that I think is, dare I say, missing from this movie,

642
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: which is Missus Doubtfire musical number right? That could? That

643
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: could and should have happened. And I think that we

644
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: were even though we did get a little bit of

645
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 1: like Robin Williams singing, we really needed Missus Doubtfire original song.

646
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Wait, you know what I

647
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: didn't even think about when we were talking about how

648
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: hot Robin Williams is. The hottest he was was in

649
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Speaker 1: the Birdcage when he was gay. That's when he was

650
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: the gayest. We forgot that he actually did play gay

651
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: opposite Nathan Lane, and he was so he was like

652
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: giving like Versacci, like like chest hair, gold chain, like

653
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: sleazy Miami vibes. It was Versacci. Yeah, And I so

654
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Speaker 1: I've only seen that movie once, but like that movie,

655
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Speaker 1: like really like the gayness of it all, Like Robin

656
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Williams ken I was gonna say, can say baggett Um,

657
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that, though I'm gonna say Robin Williams,

658
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: I'll say he can say baggett we can say too. No.

659
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: He was so he was so effortless in a gay role.

660
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: He had no qualms and had no was unfazed by

661
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Speaker 1: the task of being gay. But I've only seen that

662
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: movie once, and I just remember the plot of the

663
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: movie is like insane, right, like what's the it is movie?

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Speaker 1: The plot of the movie is that, um, they're this

665
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Speaker 1: gay couple who own um a nightclub in Miami. Their

666
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: son is getting married, but um, his bride to be

667
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: his parents don't know that his dads are gay. I

668
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: mean it's based off Lakaja Foe. And so when the

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Speaker 1: parents come to visit Nathan Lane, um dresses in drag

670
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: to you know, play, so to pretend that they are

671
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: a hetero couple. So it's like Christine Bransky. Yes, so

672
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: it's another So I would actually say that I think

673
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: maybe the Bird Cage and Missus Doubtfire exists in the

674
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: same cinematic universe. So Nathan Lane and Robin Williams like

675
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: broke up. Robin Williams married Sally Field and then the

676
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: plot of Missus Dolfire happened, and he was like, wait, wait, wait,

677
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: this worked once before it could work again. I thought

678
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: you were gonna say that, like after Nathan you know,

679
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: had this like stint. After Nathan Lane had this stint

680
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: as as dressing up as a woman, he realized she

681
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: realized transitioned Field. Yes, no, no, no, no, no, I

682
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Speaker 1: was gonna say she transitioned to whatever, you know, her

683
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Speaker 1: new name was. I don't know what herr her like

684
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of drag name was in um the bird Cage,

685
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Speaker 1: but I was gonna say she transitioned. And then later

686
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Speaker 1: in Robin Williams's wife later after Sally Field happened, she

687
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: transitioned as well. And now Missus Doubtfire and Nathan Lane

688
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: as a woman are a T for T couple. Couple.

689
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Speaker 1: That's where I thought you were going. Um, I would

690
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Speaker 1: support that. I think, thank you, that works well. Um.

691
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: Something else that's amazing about um the Birdcage was Christine

692
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: Baranski playing a homophobe. They're like, need to be more

693
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Speaker 1: movies and TV shows where Broadway divas play homophobes, like

694
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: Patty Lapone has done in HS Yes and I Pose

695
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: and in Ugly Betty Yes typecasting yes, typecasting much. Yeah.

696
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Speaker 1: I mean Laon is a little bit of a homophobe

697
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Speaker 1: with like the amount of gaze screaming at her all day,

698
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: every day, her entire life. In the words of Madonna,

699
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: she would kill fags who hate women period. Like yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that, Like, um, yeah, Patty, any sort of

701
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: diva that wants to play homophobe can because she's earned

702
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: that right as a lauded diva. So I never saw

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00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: the Missus Doubtfire musical that was either just on the

704
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: West End or was maybe also on Broadway. We need

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Speaker 1: to see it and no, I oh oh, so I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm There's a couple of fun facts here on the

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Speaker 1: Missus Doutfire Wikipedia page. A young Blake Lively was almost

708
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Speaker 1: one of the children. So what okayo you know? Um,

709
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: Warren Beady m was almost Missus Doubtfire um, and also

710
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: Tim Allen was almost Missus Doubtfire but turned down both

711
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: the roles, probably because he is as as he's a

712
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: horrible person and I think he's like a conservative like

713
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Trump supporter. Now, yeah, he's He's a huge, huge Fox

714
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: newser He was the one of the first celebrities to

715
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Speaker 1: say that coming out as a Republican is like harder

716
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: than like coming out as gay or whatever. Coming out

717
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: as a Republican in Hollywood means that like no one

718
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: will ever work with you again, and that's like why

719
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: we don't see Tim Allen projects anymore, which like I'm

720
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: grateful for, but Tim Allen unfortunately did raise me like

721
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: we were a home improvement family. I wonder if I'm

722
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: trying to think if there's anything in the culture now

723
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: rose that like exemplifies what I'm going to try and

724
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Speaker 1: talk about. But I do think that this era not

725
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: just the era of comedies where men dressed up as women,

726
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: but like era of comedies that are kind of body snatchy,

727
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: like hot Chick or white Chicks or I was gonna

728
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: say Freaky Friday, but like ones were like you like

729
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: a man is trapped in a woman's body, things like that.

730
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: Like I think people are afraid of those narratives now,

731
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: and yet they are really funny. I've actually I've I

732
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: haven't seen it since like middle school. Like White Chicks

733
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: is so good. Did you see that video that's been

734
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: going around on Twitter of the dance battle scene from

735
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: White Chicks and they're dancing to songs from the new

736
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: Caroline Policheck album White Chicks. We should have a guest

737
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: on to break down White Chicks for us, because like

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Speaker 1: that is a movie that I did watch like a

739
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Speaker 1: year a year, year and a half ago, and as

740
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: someone who you know doesn't need to like make critique

741
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: on this movie might as a passing as observation, I

742
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: was like this was ahead of its time in so

743
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: many ways, Like it was like a it was like

744
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: get out level like cultural commentary that I think went

745
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: under the radar because it was also extremely stupid. But

746
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: you know what, some of the stupidest movies have some

747
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: of the most incisive things to say about the world.

748
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Euch like Missus Doubtfire sort of predicted the gender discourse

749
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: we would be having decades later. When Missus Doubtfire stood

750
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: to piss at that toilet, she pissed all over Stone

751
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: this heteronormativity, Um all over JK rolling space. Yeah exactly. Um,

752
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: did you are you gonna see? Are we going to

753
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: see Sally Field in eighty for Brady? No? Oh, we

754
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: already we We've talked about a sports movie. It's not

755
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: a sports movie. It is a sports movie. It's about

756
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: old ladies. I'm not about football. I'm not seeing it.

757
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: It's about football the way like Space Jam is about

758
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: like basketball. And I don't like Space Jam because of

759
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: that Space Jam is. I also don't think I'm not

760
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: a Space Jam girl. But I don't know. Um my vibe,

761
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: but I do. I do love Sally Field. Um, what

762
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: are what are some of your other favorite Sally Field performances?

763
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I can only think of Missus

764
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: Doubtfire and eighty for Rady, my favorite performance is eighty

765
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: for Rady. I don't know. I don't know if I'm

766
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: seeing Sally Field in anything but Missus Doutfire, And like

767
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: I know, she has like a long history of incredible

768
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: filmwork and well, honestly, her oscars acceptance speech is her

769
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: greatest performance, like that, Oh yeah, you like me, you

770
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: really like me. I love Sally Field, but the fact

771
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: that her rebound from what Robin Williams was literally Pierce

772
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: Brasen in literally James Bond is just slightly unbelievable. Yeah,

773
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean the comically attractive like new Boyfriend Trope is

774
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: like endlessly funny to me, and Pierce Brosnin is like

775
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: comically attractive in this movie. Isn't there a moment? Isn't

776
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: there a moment where okay, what there's a there's a

777
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: scene where Pierce Brosnin and Missus Doubtfire are interacting at

778
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: like what a beach club or like a pool like

779
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: a yeah, do you remember this? Like a country club? Yeah,

780
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: isn't doesn't mean like have the hots for her something

781
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: or no, he but he he comes up to the

782
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: bar to like talk to her and kind of you know,

783
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: he's trying to like get get get in with her

784
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: because he's you know, romancing Sally Field. M A lingering question.

785
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: Do you think that one of the children of Missus

786
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: Doubtfire grows up to be a serial killer because of

787
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: how a scarred they are from this experience? Not a

788
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: serial killer, but like they definitely like, you know, grew

789
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: up to write like a kind of wait, who is

790
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: that child actor that just wrote the memoir that everyone's reading. Oh,

791
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm glad my mom died? Yeah, who was Jenette McCurdy? Yeah,

792
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: I see, I see one of these kids growing up

793
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: and writing like a Janette McCurdy s like I'm glad

794
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: my dad transitioned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes, that is

795
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: the book that I add that I want to read.

796
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like this is all my trauma

797
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: and yet it was all for the better. You know.

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00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: Um that I think is the story that I want

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00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: to read. So um, you know in the Realm of

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00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: Cross Dressing, you know, Harvey fire scene is in this

801
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: movie who would go on to originate the role of

802
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: Ed Turnblood on Broadway And Hairspray, um, which is another

803
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: like obviously iconic, you know, gender fuckery musical, much like

804
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: the film which starred Divine and as we've said on

805
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: this pod before, John Travolta's last significant performance, which is bizarre,

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00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: Well yeah, John, okay, so missus doubtfire walked. So John

807
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: Travolta in Hairspray could run that's not that's not at

808
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: all a joke, that is not absolutely to know I'm

809
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: being one hundred percent. And also I will say John

810
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Travolta was also uncompable as editor and bloods. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know about that. But and

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Speaker 1: that's movie magic. Well, slide intoward d MS at Like

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Speaker 1: a Virgin four twenty sixty nine and tell us your

814
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Speaker 1: thoughts about missus Doubtfire. Do you think it's an iconic

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Speaker 1: drag film, an iconic trans film? Um? Do you think? Um?

816
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: If a Jenia Doubtfire waits in line for her estra

817
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: dialet calan lord or she an aputure girl? Or does

818
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: she go to a private practice? Um? And as always,

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