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Speaker 1: All right, guys. Before we get started today, a big

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Speaker 1: As the Chargers lose to the forty nine Ers twenty

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Speaker 1: as always, joined by Haley Elwood and Eric Smith, Bolts

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Speaker 1: dropped to five and four, a promising start to the game.

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Speaker 1: They held a lead for nearly three and a half quarters.

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking about this last night, guys. In

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Speaker 1: the solution, or the reason rather why they lost, it

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Speaker 1: is very simple. They ran out of guys. You've run

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Speaker 1: out of guys. I mean so many starters are out.

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Speaker 1: You lose two defensive tackles in Tito Abonia and Christian Covington.

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Speaker 1: Your top tight end goes out. Keenan and Mike were

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Speaker 1: already out. We know the injuries on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Trey Pipkins in starting this one, Foster Sarell did. So, Haley,

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Speaker 1: this could be a very short podcast, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go about twenty minutes today. What would you say your

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Speaker 1: thoughts were, I guess on what you saw yesterday, really

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Speaker 1: for three and a half quarters, because I think the

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Speaker 1: Chargers surprised a lot of people with the way they

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Speaker 1: stayed in this game. I think they did, and I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of it. To me, I'll call it

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Speaker 1: even though you mentioned it's more of like three and

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Speaker 1: a half quarters versus that other half. But one other

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Speaker 1: guy to note on the injury front or just bodies front,

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Speaker 1: was the loss of Jerry Tillery, of waiving him last

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Speaker 1: week and knowing that you were also going to be

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Speaker 1: down him as well. Daniel Popper. I was reading what

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Speaker 1: he wrote in The Athletic and he made a good point.

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Speaker 1: He said there's a difference between excuses and an explanation,

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Speaker 1: and after the game to a point, all the quotes

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Speaker 1: where we're not making excuses for losing guys, you know

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Speaker 1: in the injuries that we've battled, but I think the

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Speaker 1: like the Falcons, and maybe against teams that they've sort

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Speaker 1: of beat recently, Houston, Cleveland, Denver, to a point, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's worked. But when you face a team like the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers, who I believe had eight

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Speaker 1: players returned to that game that didn't play two weeks

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Speaker 1: very strong, you get outmatched to a point, just purely

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Speaker 1: numbers wise, purely body wise. And I think you saw that,

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Speaker 1: and no one, in my opinion, is discounting the fight

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Speaker 1: that this team had because they hung tough and they

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Speaker 1: were in it really to the end. In fact, when

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Speaker 1: the Niners missed that extra point on the McCaffrey touchdown

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, I was like, that could loom

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Speaker 1: large conceivably, and it almost did, to the point where

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Speaker 1: the Chargers did get the ball back at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game. But you know, the interception happened, it

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Speaker 1: didn't matter. But it's just the reality of the situation

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Speaker 1: that you are now a very very wounded team ten

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Speaker 1: weeks going into eleven weeks into this season. You might

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Speaker 1: of the Mikes and the keenans are and I know

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Speaker 1: Staley will talk later today. Defensively, you're now dealing with

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Speaker 1: They were they were slowing that Niners running attack. You

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Speaker 1: out of the second half, Eric, the Niners were just

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Speaker 1: Just like the locker room walking in, it was it

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Speaker 1: And it was just like the fight they had the

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