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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Colin Coward Podcast. That would be me. You know,

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Speaker 1: through the years of covering athletics, I've been really lucky.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I've had the good fortune to cover

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Speaker 1: crazy stories Mike Tyson in his early twenties. I've had

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Speaker 1: the good fortune to live in the New England region

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Speaker 1: during the Patriots dynasty. You know, had the good fortune

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Speaker 1: to be at the Blazers Shack and Kobe against the

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Speaker 1: Final Fours. I've been almost to everything in sports, but

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Speaker 1: it's always been about the people. Like you just meet

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Speaker 1: really cool people. And Mark Few at Gonzaga is my

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Speaker 1: favorite person in sports. And he's a humble guy. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this before he comes on, but we

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Speaker 1: spent time together on more than one occasion, and he's

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Speaker 1: really he's really built an amazing program. It's international, it's

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Speaker 1: got NBA players, and it's just it's just so instructional

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Speaker 1: and fundamentally sound, but yet it's got a little flare

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Speaker 1: to it. I think this year in college basketball, that

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Speaker 1: little school in Spokane, Washington is the best offense in America,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure it's close. They do everything well.

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Speaker 1: They go small ball, they move it, they're good in transition,

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Speaker 1: and he's really built a power. This is now a

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Speaker 1: top five program in college basketball. It is Look it

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Speaker 1: up and want to bring on an introduce you to

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Speaker 1: just one of the best people, one of the smartest

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Speaker 1: people I've ever met, My buddy Mark few Well. I

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Speaker 1: always root for the same two teams every year in

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Speaker 1: the tournament. I root for Villanova because of Jay Wright,

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Speaker 1: and I root for Mark few because of Gonzaga. And

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Speaker 1: the other night I'm in La having dinner with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people from Spokan and I said, the hell,

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Speaker 1: Gonzaga is playing fifteen minutes away at Merrimount. We got

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Speaker 1: stuck in this big, corporate, mucky muck dinner and we

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Speaker 1: Mark does an amazing job and he's such a good guy.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, if my kids had any athletic ability, i'd

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Speaker 1: send into Mark few, But of course they're like Dad,

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Speaker 1: they don't, so it doesn't matter. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm great. It's been a part of

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Speaker 1: a fun year and a fun team and man for group.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to pick a group to go through

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Speaker 1: They they've somehow, some way made it fun and made

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Speaker 1: it entertaining. But much more important than that, Colin, Hell

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Speaker 1: are you? Isn't it crazy? My wife's a vegan. I

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Speaker 1: work out every day, and I ended up in a

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Speaker 1: am I doing here? I don't have anything, I said.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you and her friends, like Colin's

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Speaker 1: So you know what happened, You know, Mark, life is arbitrary.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I had a ski

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Speaker 1: workers are unbelievable. They're just unbelievable. And I'm on blood

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Speaker 1: because you know, outside of Florida, we played early in Texas,

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Speaker 1: you're in a team sport, you're trying to build team.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, I you know, that's why the NBA

425
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Speaker 1: has deadlines, right, I mean, and you can't just roam

426
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: for me, you know, wake up one day and beyond

427
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: another team the next. It's just and to compare us

428
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: to like, well, any other student can just leave. I mean,

429
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: that's just paully Anna. You know, you gotta there's a

430
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: there's a mix of doing what's right and for the

431
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Speaker 1: student athlete, but also for you know, competitive equity and

432
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: things and trying to build leagues. So I'm kind of

433
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Speaker 1: looking forward to how we kind of navigate our way

434
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Speaker 1: through this stuff, I think, which is simple rules like

435
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: that will be fine. The name and image likeness stuff

436
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: is is a monster because it's just it it's hard

437
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: to figure out where it's gonna go and and what

438
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: the boundaries are going to be on it. And I

439
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: think in the back of all us coaches minds is

440
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: just that you know, we're not thinking like the legislators

441
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Speaker 1: are the legislators, or you know, thinking about, hey, these

442
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: guys have been denied all this and all that, and uh,

443
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: but you have to make it so it doesn't turn

444
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: into a recruiting thing where that's right, that's right, the

445
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: local and the boosters and everything and and people who

446
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: might have successful online online businesses. You know, it's just

447
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: it's just got to be on the up and up.

448
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: And hey, listen, I had really Hotsimir and I wish,

449
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: like heck he could have made money off his name,

450
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 1: image and like and just he would have been huge

451
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Speaker 1: and is huge, Uh, you know over an Asian as

452
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: well as here in the States. And I wish, like

453
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: heck he could have capitalized that in some way, shape

454
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Speaker 1: or form. But again, we you just got to have

455
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Speaker 1: some boundaries and then you know, I'm all for kind

456
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Speaker 1: of seeing where that goes too. I think we just

457
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: it's just is this a fine line? You know, You've

458
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Speaker 1: got to be a little give and take on this

459
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Speaker 1: stuff until we can figure it out. Mark feu guns

460
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: like a basketball coach and my friend joining us. So

461
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw some rando questions at you, and I

462
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: like these because I'm fascinated with a recruiter. I love

463
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Speaker 1: recruiting him a dork. So I don't know if you

464
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Speaker 1: recruited Zion, but do you remember the first time you

465
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Speaker 1: saw him, Zion Williamson, Because I was one of one

466
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Speaker 1: of my rare moments Mark where I was right, and

467
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: I used to I argued, I think with Gottlieber somebody,

468
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: I said, listen, the way the NBA structured today, he

469
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: initiates so much contact. He's gonna be He's gonna be

470
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Speaker 1: Carl Malone. He's gonna be the free throw on his

471
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: whole career. My only concern is gonna shoot seventy five

472
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Speaker 1: percent from the line, and if he can, he's gonna

473
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Speaker 1: average twenty nine a game. Because everything he does is

474
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Speaker 1: into people. He just creates body conflict all the time.

475
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Speaker 1: So I was a huge Zion fan. Do you remember

476
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Speaker 1: the first time you saw him in your impressions, because

477
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: many people said he wasn't as dominant young. I do remember,

478
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: and I would have been in that camp. I saw

479
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Speaker 1: him and I thought, wow, here, first of all, just

480
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Speaker 1: mind boggling the explosion yea off the floor for somebody

481
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Speaker 1: that size. I mean, he's a he's a he's a

482
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: big kid or man or whatever he is now. And

483
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: so I remember watching that and going, oh, that's gonna

484
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: be interesting. You know, our team just gonna play off him,

485
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: which a lot of them did, but he's just one

486
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: of those rare guys where it doesn't matter. I mean,

487
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: then he just gets more steam coming at you. Exactly

488
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: bad idea. And then we had the u A pleasure slash,

489
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Speaker 1: you know, torture of having to guard him in Maui

490
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Speaker 1: that year. We played him in the Maui championship game,

491
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: and I remember, just live and in person, and we

492
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Speaker 1: have a probably best athlete we've ever had here in

493
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Clark, I mean, just amazingly quick off the floor

494
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: and Ruey it was a great athlete in his own right.

495
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: And man, that was a heck of a college game

496
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: watching those guys go at it but I mean I

497
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: was just almost in awe of how quick and how

498
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: explosive Zion was. But also I think the other thing

499
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: that's underrated about him calling he's a really good basketball player.

500
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Speaker 1: Like we were talking earlier about a feel for the game.

501
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: He's got a really good feel for the game. He

502
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: knows how to pass, he knows he knows when to

503
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: hit those creases. I remember being really impressed with that,

504
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Speaker 1: like right in the middle of the Duke Gonzaga game

505
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: in Maui, Like, you know, this kid's athletic. Man, he

506
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: knows how to play too. So yeah, that was my

507
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Speaker 1: first impression with him. All right, another Rando recruiting question

508
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: because I am into this crap. You're just rolling your

509
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: eyes at me now because this is a kind of

510
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: stuff I would talk about in your boat. Well, I

511
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: just me to call you Rando recruiter or something like that.

512
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Who is who is the best player? Now? Michael Jordan

513
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: was very good early, but he developed Who was the

514
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: best player early? You've ever seen in recruiting? Oh, let's see,

515
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: uh huh man, I uh. I remember seeing Derek Rose

516
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: back when he was you know this Derrick Rose back

517
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: before the knee injuries and all that was beyond fast

518
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: and beyond I mean just you couldn't guard him. He

519
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: especially in the open floor. You you absolutely just could

520
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: not guard him. And I remember, for some reason watching

521
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: him a lot during that time. There's been so many

522
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: because you end up in all those gems recruiting and

523
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: you end up catching games here and there. That's trying

524
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: to sit out to me. Okay, And finally, my last

525
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: recruiting question. I remember talking to Jerry Tarkanian about Don McLean.

526
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: Remember him, Yeah, yeah, And I said, tark He's not

527
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: that athletic. He scored a lot, but I'm like, I

528
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: don't know, does he separate? And and and Jerry said, Colin,

529
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: he he ends up scoring twenty eight and you think

530
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: he has twelve. He is just points. And was there

531
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: ever a player that you didn't quite get and you

532
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: looked up nine years later he's in the NBA. Have

533
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: you ever missed or not missed but just thought, wow,

534
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. I've missed terribly over the years.

535
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: I mean, just oh, come on. First of all, that

536
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: trait was what finally drove us to Adam Morrison because

537
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: it was the same thing watching Adam in high school.

538
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: He was kind of quirky looking and ran differently. And

539
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: my assistant, Leon Rice, is now the head coach at Boys.

540
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: He had sent me to watch him and I called

541
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: him at half time like, ah, you know, leon Adam,

542
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: oh man, this guy doesn't even try on defense, he

543
00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: doesn't kind of shuffles around weird and he's like, really, well,

544
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: how many does he have? And I'm like, you know,

545
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's got ten or fifteen or whatever.

546
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: And then at that time, the guy I was at

547
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: the table watching the game. The guy hands me the

548
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: stats and I always remember this. I'm like, you know what,

549
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: leon he's got thirty and a half. I think I'll

550
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: stay for the second half. That's funny. Yeah, And you

551
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: know who does that now? I'm always I'm always pushing

552
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: and prodden and on my man, Drew, Timmy, And then

553
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'll look at the stat sheet

554
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day and he's you know,

555
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: ten for thirteen and has I mean, I think he

556
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: has fourteen and he's got twenty seven. So some of

557
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: those guys just have that gift, you know. I mean,

558
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: the ball just goes in easy, and because it goes

559
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: in easy. You expect every one of them to go

560
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: in right, and then you're like, well why did you

561
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: miss that? And so just unrealistic expectations. But well it

562
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: was you guys, all right. So the tournament's about to start. Um, well,

563
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna win a lot of games. I'll tell you that.

564
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean to put any pressure on you, but

565
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: it is. I always had this theory on the tournament.

566
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Tell me if this is a bunch of nonsense emanates

567
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: from the show on a somewhat yeah, regular Bay, not

568
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: regular Bay. I'm okay, I'm okay with it, my nonsense.

569
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I own it. Yes, So I always I

570
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: always thought in the tournament, you're gonna struggle at some point.

571
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: You've got to have something you're great at. There's got

572
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: to be something in crisis that is your go to

573
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: and that's going to get you through that bad half,

574
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: a bad call, foul trouble. If I said today, Gonzaga,

575
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: you really struggle for an eight minute stretch in the

576
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: second half, what is the go to for you that

577
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: you know you can get every game? I would say

578
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: our offense has been crazy, assistantly good this year, and

579
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: in a variety it hasn't been well. You know, Okay,

580
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: we'll take Drew Timmy away or or Corey Kisberd has

581
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: to shoot well, or you know, Jalen Suggs as to

582
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: play great. I mean, I have the supreme confidence in

583
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: our offense. I'll figure out a way, you know, for

584
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: us to either get through a draw, a small draft

585
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: or uh, you know, maybe we're getting scored on and

586
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: on a regular basis at the other end. And and

587
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: so I would say that's probably, you know what I

588
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: have the most confidence in that'll it'll kind of get

589
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: us over that, you know, because we have really been

590
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: playing good defense this year. But you know, if we

591
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: were to hit a low, we ran into somebody hot

592
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: or couldn't stop somebody, I would hope our offense would

593
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of carry us over that, you know. All right, son,

594
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: gonna go home tonight with that beautiful view gonna have.

595
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: You know, Tom Brady doesn't have a beer in season?

596
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever have a beer during the season? I

597
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: think you know the answer to that. All right, buddy,

598
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: there's a certain beach that probably has. Yes. It's great

599
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: seeing you say hi to your lovely wife and your fam.

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00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: You know, I love you and I'm rooting for you

601
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: and we'll talk soon. Thanks for doing this, man, Oh

602
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: you got it. I hope you're all healthy and good man.

603
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: You had us all scared dinner. So best of health

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00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: and best of luck. All right, Thanks Mark? Yeah, I

605
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: see you, buddy. Hope you enjoyed Mark few my buddy

606
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: as much as I did. He's just a riot and

607
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: he's so funny in person, knocking down beers on his

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Speaker 1: boat in and around spoken in Idaho. There is nothing better.

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