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Speaker 2: So let's start Packers twenty seven Lion six. There were

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Speaker 2: two things in the office a season that worried me.

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Speaker 2: They hired within the building. They lost two great coordinators,

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Speaker 2: an auspicious debut by the coordinators. The second thing that

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Speaker 2: worried me rebuilding the old line. They have really pushed

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Speaker 2: averaged two point two yards of carry on the road. Also,

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Speaker 2: if you take Ben Johnson and McVeigh out of Jared

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Speaker 2: we can get to Mike in a second. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: to Troy. They were not really that competitive. They didn't

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Speaker 2: the NFL, there's thirty two teams. Lions are elite, Go

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Speaker 2: get the best oc. What was your first impressions of

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Speaker 2: Detroit's offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're the first guy i've ever seen

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Speaker 1: that made a grand proclamation after the Hall of Fame game,

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Speaker 1: and you were right, they were a mess. I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, Colin, were a little early. But one thing

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Speaker 1: was clear watching the Jets today is Aaron Glenn's a

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Speaker 1: Now, I do think replacing the defensive coordinators are hard,

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Speaker 1: he's Sean Payton guy. He's John Gruden's guy. It's like,

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Speaker 1: they never did so to me calling plays, most people

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Speaker 1: you know where I stood. I thought the Packers are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was funny.

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Speaker 2: And it's like that tells you organizationally and coaching, they're

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Speaker 2: There's a certain I mean it's kind of cool when

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Speaker 1: But the Micah Parsons move, you know, Reggie White was

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Speaker 2: Of the That's why I defended the Micah Parsons move.

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Speaker 2: I look at Green Bay as a place where Mike

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Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff came out when ESPN threw

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Speaker 2: that's that's Dallas leaking stories to cover their face, right,

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Speaker 2: But Mike is going to work in Green Bay. Mike

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Speaker 2: This was a wildly frustrated game if you're a Niner fan,

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Speaker 1: Order. Now I just did.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk Pittsburgh thirty four, Jets thirty two

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Speaker 2: One of the best one o'clock window games I've ever watched.

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Speaker 2: about Let's talk about Pittsburgh's win. I mean it's interesting

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Speaker 2: was in his first game, and he's not been great

431
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Speaker 2: in openers. The last reopeners I covered with the Jets

432
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 2: and the points. But I will say I thought Aaron

433
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 2: overall his mindset, he said this, I am here to

434
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 2: elevate others and that I'm impressed with.

435
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with that defense, which they were gonna be good,

436
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 1: was gonna have to be a top five defense. They

437
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 1: got shreded today. I mean, Justin Fields looked like he

438
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: was at Ohio Statey Games. The best game ever, big time.

439
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: He didn't he was all now, didn't miss a throw. Look,

440
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: calm in the pocket, was running around like he was

441
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. He was excellent.

442
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 2: He was I'm gonna tell you something. There's a stat

443
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 2: he didn't have a single off target throw. I'm sitting

444
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: with great, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking I've always

445
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: been I've always said he's a bouncer on the league guy.

446
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: You can't build around him. It's the first time I've

447
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 2: ever watched him and went.

448
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: Oh shit, you can build around justin fields.

449
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what his numbers were, but if

450
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Speaker 1: they had won the game, I would have problem giving

451
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: him Player of the Week. He was, you could still

452
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Speaker 1: give it to him. He was fantastic. One thing we

453
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,959
Speaker 1: have to come to grips with the Rodgers because it's

454
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Speaker 1: easy to do this. Well, you got to give him

455
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: that extra year after the A kill's not the first

456
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: year after that. It's too He's he's Jared Goff. Mobility, yes,

457
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: he cam, he is. His day is moving or done. Yeah,

458
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: you watch Purty Darnold, even some guys the average mobility,

459
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: he's not even close to them. So that's a big

460
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: problem for him. So some of those back shoulders, you know,

461
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: or back foot throws, which he's always done, don't. The

462
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: zip's not quite the same. Still got a good arm,

463
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: but I thought some of those back foot throws that

464
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Speaker 1: he had in Green Bay forever where he could throw

465
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Speaker 1: ninety eight, probably ninety one, ninety two. Now so now

466
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Speaker 1: he's smart, he's accurate with the ball, so he's still

467
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Speaker 1: you know some of those you know balls around the

468
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Get it to his guys DK let

469
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: him run. But and listen offensively, what did he account

470
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Speaker 1: for four touchdowns to day? He was not He was fine.

471
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Speaker 1: But I did watch this thinking like we have to

472
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Speaker 1: kind of embrace last year, like this is a new

473
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Speaker 1: player now well the Hall of Fame. I'm not saying

474
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: he's Manning and Brady just purely in the pocket, but

475
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: he's much closer to that than the guy that was

476
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for that's fifteen years and to me, if

477
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Speaker 1: they're going to be good, though, they have to be

478
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Speaker 1: a top light defense. Watching that game today, I know

479
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Speaker 1: they pulled it off. They're still playing the Jets, who

480
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Speaker 1: probably can end up winning six to seven games.

481
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Speaker 2: They have no chance to be a good time and

482
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Speaker 2: they only averaged They only average two point seven yards

483
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Speaker 2: of carry. And this has been a problem. So Najee

484
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Speaker 2: Harris is gone. This has been a problem for Pittsburgh

485
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Speaker 2: for about six years. They have talented offensive linemen. They've

486
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Speaker 2: used draft capital on their offensive line. I mean the

487
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: kid from West Virginia, the center is going to be

488
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: a pro bowler, if not already. So my take is

489
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Speaker 2: this is sort of a Steeler dilemma. It's not Arthur

490
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: Smith's issue. Whatever it is. They don't run the ball. Well,

491
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Speaker 2: there's a way Aaron's going to have to win. I

492
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Speaker 2: mean the Jets, let's be honest, We're picked for fourth.

493
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Speaker 2: So now they may be better than that, but they

494
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: were picked for fourth. But for Aaron to work, he

495
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: needs a running game. And that was one of my

496
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: issues is the Steelers just haven't done that in forever.

497
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Speaker 1: Well, I gotta take the l on this. I like

498
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the Iowa kid. He clearly had a disastrous training camp.

499
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Speaker 1: He had one carry today for negative two yards. And

500
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Speaker 1: you listen, he was a third round pick. Breese Hall

501
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: a second round pick. If you just watch Breese Hall today,

502
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Speaker 1: you went, that's an NFL running back like that guy

503
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: making guys miss, making explosive plays. You should be able

504
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Speaker 1: to find guys on the second day of the draft.

505
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Speaker 1: Second or third did immediately impact. Now, I understand Briese's

506
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: been in the league for a couple of years, but

507
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: the Caleb Johnson thing has been a disaster so far,

508
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: and they depended on him because Jalen Warren, he really

509
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: is a rotational scap back throwing the ball a little bit,

510
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: but he's by far their best back. They can't rely

511
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Speaker 1: on this other guy, Kenneth Gadwell was like a back end,

512
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Speaker 1: rotational guy for the Eagles, so that they do have

513
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Speaker 1: a starting running back issue well, and so like luckily

514
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: they have some you know DK that Austin's pretty explosive player, Freyerman,

515
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Speaker 1: they have a lot of weapons in terms of like

516
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Speaker 1: the past, the ball, but the running game. Like you said,

517
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Speaker 1: if Caleb Johnson, let's just say this year is a

518
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: disaster form not a bust or anything. But he's just

519
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: year one is a negative. Yeah, that's a problem, and

520
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: I think they would have to start looking around. Listen,

521
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: they're all in on this season. Do you trade for

522
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Speaker 1: a running back?

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Speaker 2: Watching the game, my take was before the trade deadline,

524
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: Steelers are going to look around this league. There's going

525
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Speaker 2: to be a good running back and a bad team,

526
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Speaker 2: and they're going to give up a third or fourth

527
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Speaker 2: round pick. But watching this game, I'm like, listen, this

528
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Speaker 2: Jets team is I mean, we thought they were a

529
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Speaker 2: lottery team next year, a top six pick next year.

530
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Speaker 2: We don't know if Aaron Glenn's can coach. I mean

531
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Speaker 2: Aaron glenn On the defense was a mess. So I

532
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: think the Steelers keep your eye on.

533
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Speaker 3: Them making a move. And I don't know who that

534
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Speaker 3: running back is going to be.

535
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Speaker 1: I mean it could be Breece Hall. I mean he

536
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: wants a new contract. Who knows what. If the Jets

537
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Speaker 1: are two and four, two and five, I will say it,

538
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Speaker 1: give him a third round pick, get.

539
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Speaker 2: Him beyond Justin Fields and Breecee Hall. The left side

540
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Speaker 2: of the offensive line, I mean that's what they attacked.

541
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: The left side of the jets on line was creating

542
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: big crevices, big creases. So whatever in Elaja Vera Tucker

543
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: got hurt, I thought, oh the Jets all line. What

544
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: a bomber. He former USC guy gets banged up a lot.

545
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: But they some of those holes were substantial. So and

546
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: you know the thing about Justin Fields is that there

547
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: are certain boxes. John, you're a former scout. If I

548
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: said there's this guy, teammates love him. Good size, really

549
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: good arm, super athletic. I mean, there's no reason he

550
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 2: doesn't look like this more often. I mean, we never

551
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: know if a guy sees the field does he process stuff.

552
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

553
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: We're not there. But in terms of size, whip move it.

554
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: He also plays courageously like he will collide with people.

555
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: In fact, almost to a fault. He doesn't slide. He

556
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: did once today smartly he slid. But there's when you

557
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: he was foreign to with the Steelers last year. If

558
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Speaker 2: you extrapolated his numbers last year, you know he was

559
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: gonna be like a ninety five quarterback rating guy, which

560
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 2: is a starter in the NFL. So I think if

561
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Speaker 2: you're a Jets fan, you had to come out of

562
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: this game feeling like, hey man, this this justin fields

563
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: Bresee Hall, Garrett Wilson. They found their left tackle, left

564
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: side of the offensive line, I'd be pretty optimi. I mean,

565
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: Miami is cooked, so I mean and by the way,

566
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: New England offensively looked timid, like they don't trust Drake

567
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: may If I'm the Jets, I come out of this

568
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: game and I'm like, no, no, we can battle for

569
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: a playoff spot. That was my big takeaway on that division.

570
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: We'll watch Buffalo Baltimore tonight. But I mean New England

571
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: they don't trust Rake may Or, they don't have the juice.

572
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: But Miami is done.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami's got awful. I mean he was already the

574
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Speaker 1: first guy to get fired on all the betting markets.

575
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: That thing's a lock, and that team was gonna suck

576
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: no matter what. I mean. People playing them in joint

577
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: practices like, hey, I'm not sure what's going on over there.

578
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: When you hear that, they're like, what, oh, what is this?

579
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Speaker 1: I do think really quick on fields. One thing we

580
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: don't talk about enough. And one when I was doing

581
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: your show down in LA I was talking with some

582
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: of your guys when we were getting coffee. They're like,

583
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: what's something that if you could do it over again,

584
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: you would have done differently? And I said, the one

585
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: thing I've learned, and I think this carries over to

586
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know our business work with a bunch

587
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: of different people, is the power of character. And when

588
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: you are a quarterback, I mean, all the best quarterbacks

589
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL their character, their character is pretty elite. Yeah,

590
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean when you when you look at this group

591
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: of guys. Fields got replaced in Chicago and then the

592
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: situation last year in Pittsburgh handled himself, I mean incredibly well. Yes,

593
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean Russell, this started leaking stuff immediately when the

594
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: season ended about Arthur Smith and pointing the figure I've

595
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: never heard a peep from Justin Fields or his people

596
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: never heard a beep, and you just watched the way

597
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: the guy's characters. Everyone has ever had high things or

598
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: good things to say about him, even when Ryan Poles

599
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: traded him, He's like, you know, I felt like I

600
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: owed him something, just what a good guy he is.

601
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: I've been blown away. I didn't think he was a

602
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: good enough passer, and today whatever they're doing just calmed

603
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: him down a little bit because he's already always had

604
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: the arm I think sometimes touch A lot of people

605
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: thought like when he got in the pocket he would

606
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: get He just struggled to fluidly read defenses in terms

607
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: of like we just it happens to a lot of guys.

608
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: Sam was a knock on Sam Darnald. Sometimes you get

609
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: to a place where people believe in you and you

610
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: can just play instead of think yeah, you know. And

611
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: I saw a guy today that was just kind of

612
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: playing yeah, and it looked very fluid a lot like

613
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: he did in college. Because his athletic and just physical

614
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: tools are pretty elite of the he had the best

615
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: physical tools of the group like Trevor Lawrence went number one.

616
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: He had better physical.

617
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: Tools than Trevor Lawrence.

618
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: Listen, of the six boxes you check, size, movement, quality,

619
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: guy arm four of them.

620
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Speaker 3: He's like an a.

621
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Speaker 2: So I mean to me there there he And I

622
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: always said this, Baker and Sam Darnold, they checked too

623
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: many boxes to be busts. Justin Fields arguably checks more.

624
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: So I was really happy for him today was to

625
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: watch Speaker. Let's talk Miami, We're not going to talk

626
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: too much. Colts beat him thirty three to eight. Okay,

627
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: First of all, I've been saying this for years. I

628
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: like the Colts roster. They can't get the quarterback right.

629
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 2: When you watched the roster of Miami today against the

630
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: roster of the Colts, I'm not sure how many Dolphins

631
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: could start for Indy. The Tua Tyreek Hill thing is

632
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: done Mike McDaniel, but I won't blame him entirely. When

633
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: you have Tua as a quarterback, there's two things. You

634
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: have to have a good on line and a backup quarterback,

635
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: and they don't. So I think it's Chris Careers, the

636
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: general manager. A lot of this heats on him. It's

637
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 2: not a good enough. Yeah, he's been atrocious. I mean

638
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: you have to have a good on line with Tua,

639
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: you have to have a good on line with Jared Goff.

640
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: And so I mean Daniel Jones went seven for seven

641
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: for seven on drives. Never been done, said that, Red

642
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: Zone said not since nineteen ninety one. They couldn't find it.

643
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Speaker 2: So this goes back to Shane Steiken. There's there's two

644
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: big takeaway. Miami's done. The second one is here's Steichen

645
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: taking Daniel Jones. And I don't think Daniel's a franchise guy.

646
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: But if what I watched today in that division, they

647
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: could be it. They could battle for the division.

648
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: I'll start with Indy on this one one. I think

649
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's starting career was over. I've said at the

650
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: moment they signed Daniel Jones like that, that thing was

651
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: he was in major trouble. The Dolphins secondary is on paper,

652
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: could be one of the worst in the NFL. I mean,

653
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: their corners are atrocious. And the one thing the Colts,

654
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think we underplay their weapons because their

655
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: quarterback plays good. Pittman's a good player. Tyler Warren was

656
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick, could have been a top ten pick.

657
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: You know that Jonathan Tailor. They have a high end

658
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: run game, like they have legitimate offensive weapons, same with

659
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: their offensive line is good. But I would say this

660
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: about Miami, that franchise is in absolute turmoil. And when

661
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel gets fired, I have a hard time seeing

662
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: their owner just hiring some other random coordinator, like he's

663
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: tried it and hasn't worked. I put this out on

664
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: Twitter today. I've been thinking about this. I think he's

665
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: going to go after a big name, and last year

666
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson would have fallen under a big name. I

667
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: don't even think that guy's going to be exist this year.

668
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: Who's the Mike Vrabel of this class? Sure? Tell any Belichick.

669
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't don't know if you follow that story. Your

670
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: boy broke it, it's not looking great, But I'd say

671
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, Lane Kiffin, Ryan Day. He's going to go

672
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: after some big name college guys who maybe just go

673
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm over there?

674
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: What about Belichick got a place in Jupiter, doesn't he?

675
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: I mean, Miami loves sex appeal. All their teams do,

676
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: even the heat.

677
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: But his bill f sex appeal. In twenty twenty six, well.

678
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: I will tell you this. I don't think he's built

679
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: for college. I said this before.

680
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: He's not.

681
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: He and Mike Lombardi are there NFL guys. I mean,

682
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: he can't, he can't draft, how can he recruit?

683
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

684
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: I don't think Belichick's crazy there.

685
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: The one thing, if the owner was interested, which which

686
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: is weird because Miami actually had some success against Bill,

687
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: but obviously he had a front row seat to watch

688
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: Bill in his division forever. Bill would have to be

689
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: pretty intrigued if the owner wanted him, because he'd get

690
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: to play the Patriots, that's right, which he clearly despises.

691
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe I just think he's going to go

692
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: after a big name. I can't see him going after

693
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: whoever the hot coordinator is for the Broncos or the

694
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Texans or whatever. But they are They're going to be really,

695
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: really bad. They have no shot if I mean today

696
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: two a couple times even before the game really got

697
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: it is like forcing balls. I mean, if he plays

698
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: bad that they will get blown out, no matter who

699
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: they play, well, good team, average team. If he's off,

700
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: they are screwed.

701
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you have to clean out the building.

702
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: I think Tua's got a lot of character. I like him,

703
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: but there's nothing about this team I like. And again,

704
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: I think there's a gap between the best gms and

705
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: the worst, and I just don't think they're a well

706
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: run operation.

707
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: Miami fans are so funny. They get so angry.

708
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: When you're critical, and it's like, guys, you can put

709
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: the pom poms down.

710
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: They don't draft well, they overspend it.

711
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: Free agency, the Tyreek Hill thing. I mean, when Andy

712
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: Reid moves off somebody, when you have mahomes, it's pretty

713
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: good sign there. It's coming with baggage. There's stuff behind

714
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: the scenes you don't and he's been when Tyreek struggled,

715
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, with personal stuff. I just there's nothing about

716
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: Miami right now other than like Tua's character, there's nothing

717
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: I like.

718
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to what you said though, if

719
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: you're the owner, would you be interested in Belichick knowing

720
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: that he clearly, I mean, he's proven this now in

721
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: it's just his way, the highway. He's not listening to anybody.

722
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: He's just bringing in his people. You basically just hand

723
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: Bill the keys for like the one thing you watch

724
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll to day, like he still got a lot

725
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: of juice. Yes, Pete would have been Pete could have

726
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: coached in college, could have coached in the pros. Like

727
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: he's he feels more like he's fifty five. You watched

728
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Billy feels a little old. He feels really grumpy at that.

729
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's always been grumpy. He's extra grumpy. I

730
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: mean the resent and the grudge he's holding on the

731
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: craft from like three year Bill, you went four and twelve.

732
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: Andy Reid got fired as well, same record. It's the NFL.

733
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: It happens, right, I mean Tom Landry got fired. Welcome

734
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: to pro football. What are you that arrogant to think

735
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: that you were just untouchable for life? But he is,

736
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: And you know, the owner of Miami maybe he's just

737
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: that desperate because they're that franchise is just I make

738
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: a lot of fun about the Jacksonville Jags. They got

739
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: more juice right now in the Dolphins. Yeah, Dolphins or

740
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: the least least amount of juice in the league. A

741
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: team that if they're just never on TV and you

742
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: never watch, you don't feel like you're missing anything.

743
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: And you know what, I'm happy for Chris Baldard, who

744
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: I know a little bit, because.

745
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: It's sad to say. There was a lot of things

746
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: in the.

747
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: Last couple of years that weren't discussed publicly but privately

748
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: in the building. Jim Orsay was creating chaos his daughters. Now,

749
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: I think will will be less intrusive, less impulsive. I

750
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: think you stay would. I think if this team could

751
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: win eight or nine games, sneaking is a maybe a

752
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: wild card team. It is I they I mean again,

753
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones will have a market I mean, good

754
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: god today up and down the field. So it's just

755
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: one of those things where I think, I think Chris

756
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: Pouder has been on the ropes there for years. But

757
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: when Andrew Luck retired, he found Carson Wentz, he found

758
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers. They bailed water, they were viable, they were

759
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: fun to watch. Getting Daniel Jones after today look like wow,

760
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: I mean it will be. It looked a little like

761
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: a more athletic Philip Rivers. You know, you don't have

762
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: a great player, but you got you have a guy

763
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: that can pick up first downs. He took a shot

764
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: today to the head, scrambling off of the right Daniel Jones,

765
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: so he can move athlete, no question, Okay, let's here's

766
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: another game I want to talk about. So I thought

767
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: New England would be the easiest double your wind total.

768
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: Raiders beat New England twenty to thirteen. First of all,

769
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: I had a GM in the NFL text me and say, man,

770
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: are the Patriots slow and deliberate on offense? And I

771
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: texted back, I don't know if they trust Drake mate now,

772
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: they don't have a ton of juice. I mean, Jacoby

773
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: Meyers should be a Patriot, not a Raider. But I

774
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: will say this, and we've talked about this before about

775
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: Geno Smith. If you give Gino a little time, and

776
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: if you give Geno Smith a run game, Gino can

777
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: sit in the pocket. I thought Geno Smith made about

778
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: four five six throws today, big time throws, and he's

779
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: not my favorite quarterback. But I looked at the Raiders

780
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: coaching to your point, I looked at the energy of

781
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: the staff. The Raiders are going to beat teams in

782
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: their division.

783
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I gotta give Chip credit. He schemed

784
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: some passes day where some guys were be lining across

785
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: the field and Gino just led a rip. You're like, damn,

786
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: that was a good looking play. He had Bowers. I

787
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: mean he schemed some really good plays. Did you get

788
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: a chance at all to read some of Ty Dunn's

789
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: article on Ryan Poles and the Bears? Oh Jesus, yeah,

790
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: Well I will say this in defense of Ryan Poles.

791
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: On one guy in that article. It made him. It

792
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: came off like Ryan Poles and hated Drake May. Thought

793
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: he couldn't play. I thought there were times a day

794
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: that Drake May went, this is a little off, floating

795
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: a couple of balls. Yes, you know, like you said, Josh,

796
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: not trusting him. I felt, I know, his numbers don't

797
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: look terrible. I did not think he looked great.

798
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: I did not.

799
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Now, if you want to defend him, you'd go, well,

800
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: who's he passing to? Boute the dude from LSU's his

801
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: best receiver, you know, Hunter Henry. This isn't exactly Gronk, Adalman,

802
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: West Welker and Randy Moss. But I thought today was

803
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: like we got a long way to go, you know,

804
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: someone that picked the Patriots to make the playoffs. Part

805
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: of it was I thought, Josh mcgaiels, Drake May would

806
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: be good. I was like you seeing it.

807
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: Let me defend him.

808
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 2: Is there any team in the league between their free

809
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: agent signings and draft. And I don't know the answer

810
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: to this. I watched them.

811
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: In the first half.

812
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: I thought, Jesus Christian Gonzalez is out? Are they starting

813
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: fourteen new players? I mean, honestly, even veteran coaches. I mean,

814
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: I thought the Broncos looked awful offensively today. So my

815
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: take was, God, New England went and got seven starters

816
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: in free agency. They probably got five or six or

817
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: seven draftees that are playing. And I'm thinking is and

818
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it as an excuse they are starting

819
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: fifty percent of this team. Is that's getting, if not starting,

820
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: getting significant stabs. Snaps is brand new And by the way,

821
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: starters don't play much in the preseason.

822
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: So my take is, don't go crazy on New England.

823
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a team in the league that's

824
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: playing fifteen to eighteen guys that didn't take a snap

825
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: for the team last year.

826
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you wanted to defend the Patriots in

827
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: this individual matchup, you'd go, well, the Raiders have better

828
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: players X Crosby best player on the field. You'd say

829
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers is probably the second best player on the field.

830
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: You know, Geno Smith today is way better player than May.

831
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean they just drafted a weapon

832
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: top six. But even if you say jent T and

833
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: Henderson cross each other out a long time. Yeah. So,

834
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: like you said, Jacobe Myers now has a couple of years,

835
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: like he's become a really, really good player. I think

836
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: we think about him like three years ago, the kind

837
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: of little afterthought guy on the Patriots. He's a he's

838
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: a I don't know if he's a He's not like

839
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase or anything, but this is a He had

840
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: eight catches to day for nine seven yards. He's gonna

841
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: have enormous numbers this year playing with Chip and Brock Bowers.

842
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean the Raiders is a better team.

843
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

844
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: You know, now I thought the Pats with their schedule,

845
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you I was nervous watching Drake May,

846
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: thinking is this guy a franchise quarterback? Because we've talked

847
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: over and over about that group the six guys. Now

848
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: Caleb JJ play tomorrow, We'll see how they look. Uh.

849
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: You know, Pennix, if you watch him, you go, this

850
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: guy's an NFL player. How good is he? What's his ceiling. Uh,

851
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniel is a star. I mean, he's just he's excellent,

852
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: elite player. Not all these guys are gonna hit. Some

853
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: of them are gonna not be on the team with

854
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: their second contract. Yeah, we've seen a lot of these guys,

855
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: the Canny Picketts, the mac Joneses, you know, the Trey Lances.

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Speaker 3: We see they go all over the place.

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Speaker 1: That's that's most NFL players, even Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,

858
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: who have resurrected their career. Think how long it took

859
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Speaker 1: them to figure it out. So some of these guys

860
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Speaker 1: are not gonna work. And we just thought because Brabel

861
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Speaker 1: Joshony Daniels, well what if it doesn't.

862
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the Raiders have the better quarterback, a super

863
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Bowl winning coach, the better left tackle, the star offensive weapon.

864
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: Gino Smith went twenty four of thirty four for three

865
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two yards in Rain on the road.

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00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: That's a pretty much an indictment. And I think, and

867
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: we know Vrabel can coach. My take is New England

868
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: is breaking in half their roster.

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Speaker 1: You know what I wrote down is for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And listen, a lot of people make fun of Mark

871
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872
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: he gave him ten years, a hundred million. It's backfired

873
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: in his face. You know, he hired Josh McDaniels. People

874
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: forget the forty nine ers wanted Josh McDaniels. He turned

875
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Speaker 1: them down. They got Kyle Shanahan like they would have

876
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: gladly hired Josh McDaniels. It's it looks terrible looking back,

877
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: but it was kind of the Colts try to hire him.

878
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people. He had kind of changed the

879
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: narrative on his career. Pete Carroll just made the Raiders

880
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: look like the Raiders are a real franchise. Now are

881
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: they gonna win ten? Are they gonna win eight? I

882
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I still think that division so hard that

883
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: we'll see how it plays out over the course of

884
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: the season. But I think the Raiders getting Pete Carroll, Like,

885
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: how cool is that that? You know? This guy, I

886
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: can't even imagine how much money he made the last

887
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: six seven years of his NFL career, right, I mean,

888
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: he was making fifteen twenty million dollars. He's in his seventies.

889
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: He could have easily retired. This guy is addicted to football.

890
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: He still looks as energetic as ever, chewing that gun,

891
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: those big white shoes. What a cool moment for him

892
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: getting a job the Raiders a little desperate and just

893
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: kind of I mean kind of kicked their ass today.

894
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, so, Chip Kelly's a friend. He

895
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: was at my sixtieth birthday party. Chip was there with

896
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Speaker 2: his wife. I really liked Chip and Chip Kelly because

897
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Speaker 2: of his NFL stuff.

898
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: I always say this.

899
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: He changed football. He went to Oregon. He was so

900
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: dominant at college. Remember this, midway through the second quarter.

901
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 2: They were leading people like Pack twelve teams forty two

902
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Speaker 2: to ten.

903
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Speaker 1: I mean he was in runs. He's calling runs too.

904
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: And Oregon fans, who are as rabid as any on

905
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,960
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906
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Speaker 3: Early third quarter.

907
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: They were scoring fifty six points. He changed the pace

908
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,719
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909
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Speaker 2: ten and six with B and C level quarterbacks. He

910
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: and Howie Roseman. He lost the Tug of War, goes

911
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: to San Francisco, doesn't work, goes to Ohio State and

912
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: Ryan daywinsin NATI. Goes to the Raiders, Ashton, Jenny Gino,

913
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Speaker 2: Smith Brock Bowers to Kobe Myers, excellent left tackle. Actually,

914
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,080
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915
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Speaker 2: coach o Lions gonna be You know, somebody said this

916
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,799
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917
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: Somebody said keep your eye on the Raiders.

918
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Speaker 2: When I watched them today, I'm like, I don't know

919
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920
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980
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984
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985
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,920
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986
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,120
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987
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988
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989
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990
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Speaker 2: things that drove I don't know it, it kind of

991
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992
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: Payton said, wear the armband. Reportedly, I thought bow Knicks

993
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: today they were getting to the line with like ten seconds.

994
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: Bow was struggling to get You know, Peyton and Drew

995
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: Brees has said this, Peyton will push you to the

996
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,400
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997
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: I thought bow.

998
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: Knicks today it was almost like I wanted to say,

999
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: scale down the offense. This is where Russell and Sean struggled.

1000
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: Shawn's like where the armband. I need to do more,

1001
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: we need to run more plays. I thought today bo looked.

1002
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: A little overwhelmed.

1003
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: It just with the sets and the motion. That was

1004
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: my interpretation that it's week one again. Starters don't play

1005
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: much in the preseason anymore. This felt like almost a

1006
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: preseason game that Denver was just behind on the clock

1007
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 2: too often.

1008
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: Bo Nix was atrocious. I mean the interception he threw

1009
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: coming out of half after he'd already played it for

1010
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: the first half. I mean it could have gone to

1011
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: both the guys. I mean he threw in a double coverage.

1012
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: He was awful. Colin Sean Payton's been telling us how

1013
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: great this guy is though, and how much he can handle,

1014
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: and every report is like, this guy's mastered the offense,

1015
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: and then you watch now. I think the times are

1016
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. I don't know if they're a

1017
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: playoff team, but I think they are going to be

1018
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: in the mix as the season goes on. Remember last

1019
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: year their defense was pretty good, but Will Levis was

1020
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: so bad that as the season goes on, you just

1021
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: kind of tap out. I do think cam Ward, like

1022
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: you said, on a given pass rush, there would be

1023
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: orange coming from every angle of your television screen. It's

1024
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: like what I can't even imagine being that guy who's

1025
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: been playing like North Carolina and Boston College lighting up

1026
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: and seeing that what are you supposed to do? But

1027
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: this it shouldn't have been as close, but Bo Nicks,

1028
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: that's as bad of a game as you can play.

1029
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: And this is the thing that defense is gonna be.

1030
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: They're the fastest defense clearly in the NFL. They are

1031
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: going to probably lead the league in sacks again. They're

1032
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be the top defense in the league

1033
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: again if you're a betting man right now.

1034
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: And they bring in green Law and they led the

1035
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Speaker 2: league in sacks last year.

1036
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so in Greenlock caused a fumble today. We saw

1037
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: how good Herbert was the other night. He's an elite player.

1038
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: Anyone who tells you otherwise a moron. Mahomes is incredible

1039
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Speaker 1: as well. The quarterbacks, I mean Geno Smith, like the quarterbacks,

1040
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to play in some of these games.

1041
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: Even if you have a great defense, your defense has

1042
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: some off game, especially on the road, you are gonna

1043
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Speaker 1: need him to play a lot like he has some

1044
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Speaker 1: of these games against the better players through in a

1045
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: playoff game, you will lose. We saw last year Herbert

1046
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: had an awful game and they got smoked. And this

1047
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: is still a quarterback coach league. I have no questions

1048
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: about their defense. They have good offensive weapons, like Sutton's

1049
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: a good player. They signed Evan Ingram, there are two

1050
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: running backs. JK had a good run today, Harvey's explosive player.

1051
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: The quarterback looked like I mean, he had to have

1052
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: one of the worst games in the entire league today.

1053
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: But remember last year bow Next struggled in September about

1054
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: game five on He was pretty good again early in September.

1055
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's offense. Bow doesn't take a lot of preseason snaps.

1056
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 3: One of my.

1057
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: Takeaways today watching some of these games is.

1058
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: New England.

1059
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 2: They got fifteen new guys getting real snaps starting or

1060
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: on reserves. Sean Payton, Denver Bowe, how many snaps his

1061
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: boat Nick's playing in the preseason. We know Titans have

1062
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: a great defense. We know Jeffrey Simmons is virtually unblockable,

1063
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: so and I'm not defending it. I thought he looked terrible,

1064
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: but I know he can play because I watched last year.

1065
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: I might take away watching him was cam Ward despite

1066
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: that pass rush, played with a lot of poise. Bo

1067
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: Nicks didn't play with a lot of poise, and he

1068
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: made a couple of terrible throat Now he did make

1069
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: a couple of beauties.

1070
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 3: But I really feel talking.

1071
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: To Drew Brees last year because he would come on

1072
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: every two weeks in the herd.

1073
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: And when it comes to.

1074
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, I mean he he just says straight out

1075
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: he is going to challenge you every practice and he

1076
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: is going to push you like he just the minute

1077
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and he connected, he was done. They just

1078
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: oil and water. And that's a different story with rusbying done.

1079
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: But I think bow Knicks will get better. Two things

1080
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: have happened in this league. Number One, good players don't

1081
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: play in the preseason. They just don't play many snaps

1082
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: anymore because the season is longer. So even if you

1083
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: do want to play a guy, I mean, you got

1084
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: what are you gonna play him? Twenty games with a

1085
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: seventeen regular season. The second thing, offensive coaching is more

1086
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: sophisticated and it's more demanding. And so that's why Justin

1087
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: Fields impressed me so much. He's not playing that many snaps.

1088
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: He was great today. So I think it was a

1089
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: bad outing by Bonnicks. But man, when I watch that game,

1090
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sure John. Does Denver have a top three

1091
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: or four roster in the league.

1092
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I think definitely. But that's the thing. Their next

1093
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: three games at the Colts, who just playing pretty well,

1094
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: the Chargers, who are just gonna be good, the Bengals,

1095
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: who you know, divisional game, weird game, but clearly that

1096
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: quarterback and those weapons. At the Eagles, I mean, their

1097
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: schedule is hard. They're not just going to be able

1098
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: to depend on their defense making insane place. If they

1099
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: played a better just a more season quarterback and a

1100
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: better offense. You can't throw multiple picks and have fumbles

1101
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: and win the game. I don't care who's playing defense

1102
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: for you. So they got lucky that their opponent. I mean,

1103
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm high on the Titans. They did just have the

1104
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. This is you know, this isn't

1105
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: you know Eddie George and Jeff Fisher ay walking through

1106
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: that door. So I think I'm a little nervous as

1107
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: someone that has money on them to win the division,

1108
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: to potentially win the AFC. So it's like they got

1109
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: a long way to go with the quarterback. I'm with you, defense,

1110
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: elite speed, offensive weapons, that little running back. It looks

1111
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: pretty good. But Sean told me how smart this quarterback is,

1112
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: how good he is on offense. Every report was like

1113
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: their chemistry is elite. I don't know if I was

1114
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: expecting to watch Drew Brees because his styles a little different,

1115
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: but I was expecting to see it just a much,

1116
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, more in tune with the offense quarterback,

1117
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: and he looked like he was playing his first game

1118
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: in college, let alone the pros.

1119
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about a game that wasn't

1120
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: fun to watch, Washington twenty one and the New York

1121
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: Giants six. So you know, listen, you can tell Brian

1122
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: Dabole got Daniel Jones into the playoffs and won a

1123
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: playoff game. I think Brian Dabele can coach. I don't

1124
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: think he's Kevin O'Connell. I don't think he's clever like

1125
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. But I think, I mean, Washington Deebo got

1126
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: a touchdown on a reverse. Washington's going to be really fun.

1127
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: I do think the Giants defense is pretty special, but

1128
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: my take watching that today was that Russell Wilson, there's

1129
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: just so many three and outs or six and outs

1130
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose that defense. First of all, they're gonna

1131
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 2: be on the field too much, so they're gonna get

1132
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: hurt if you don't play Jackson Dart by like week three.

1133
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: Because this is a little bit like Tua. Russell doesn't

1134
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: see the field. Russell's older. The offensive line could not

1135
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: generate guard center guard any openings. They could not run

1136
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: the ball through the middle, got to mooze fun but

1137
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: there were just no holes. Again, I think I think

1138
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: that you know the receivers, It's Ward and Neighbors are

1139
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: pretty special players. Their tight ends hit and miss, can't

1140
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: already catch consistently. But my take was here, you better

1141
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 2: figure out if Jackson Dark can play, because next year's

1142
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: draft could have six quarterbacks in the first round. How

1143
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you know Jackson Dart's gonna get snaps.

1144
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: Can you go six weeks and not play them?

1145
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know. I think the old adage was like,

1146
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: if you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting with them,

1147
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: And I think there's some truth to that, Like if

1148
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh would have listened to everybody, he would have

1149
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: taken a wide receiver instead of joelt like you gotta

1150
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: have conviction. And then there's the Russell Wilson stuff. If

1151
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: I was a Giants fan or just anyone watching that game,

1152
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: everyone's thinking to themselves, how is this yank this guy

1153
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: out of the game right, he'd go, Well, our offensive

1154
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: lines atrocious. We had a lot offensive lines throughout the

1155
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: league aren't great, Like, you can't function with this players.

1156
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever seen such a precipit drop

1157
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: off in my life. I mean Colin he he truly

1158
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: seeing him in his prime live is one of the

1159
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: greatest players I've ever seen any sport life. I've been

1160
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: to a lot of games in the last fifteen twenty

1161
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: years all sports. Never seen anything like this guy in

1162
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: his prime. And he looks like if he was like

1163
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: a nine out of ten in terms of playmaking, it's

1164
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: like a one out of ten now, doesn't move that fast,

1165
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: looks very unconfident, when he scrambles, it just looks bad.

1166
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: It looks off. I gave it about the over under

1167
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: three and a half. So right around the start of

1168
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: October for Jackson Dart, if you told me, by the

1169
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: time Monday morning comes around, breaking news they told Jackson

1170
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: Dart he's gonna be this What are we waiting on?

1171
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: Their schedule is hard, It's the NFL. Everything's difficult. Ashean

1172
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: Payton and bow Nicks. What was like playing the Titans?

1173
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want me to tell you?

1174
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: At least I feel like Jackson gives them. It's not

1175
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: like Jackson's a stiff. He can move around, but the juice,

1176
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: you know, Malik davers Let's face has got a little

1177
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: Torell Owens des Bryant head case to him. You think

1178
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: it was bad today, it's only going to get works.

1179
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: A season goes on and that quarterback's taking terrible sacks

1180
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: and I get Andrew Thomas is injured, but it's this guy.

1181
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: You can't function with that, and this is how the

1182
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: team you lose the team. I think he's scared. I

1183
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: think a coach would tell you, well, I throw him

1184
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: in there, loses confidence, It gets ugly, Well, I don't

1185
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: your only other options to have Russell Wilson go seventeen

1186
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: to thirty seven and east to your ass kill.

1187
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: Last year, brock Pretty goes one in six against playoff teams,

1188
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: but his teammates love him. Teammates love brock Pretty. Russell

1189
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: Wilson is not love than any locker room he's been in.

1190
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: So he goes one in three, that locker room may

1191
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: be done. I mean again, how would they not be

1192
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: out on him now? I mean if they came out

1193
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: next week and at half they've got a field goal,

1194
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: don't you have to consider it?

1195
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: I think you on the I guess team flight, maybe

1196
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: they take the train. They had to be thinking on

1197
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: the way home, like what do we do? What's the

1198
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: point of this? Right? This is a guy that was

1199
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: shot a couple of years ago, and now it feels

1200
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: like it's getting worse. And his equity, you know, like

1201
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, even if it was going weird in Pittsburgh,

1202
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: his equity because he's Aaron Rodgers. Four time MVP is

1203
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: really long, even with random players on a new team.

1204
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: Do you think Russell Wilson has any equity with Malik

1205
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: Neighbors or Cam Skataboo or Brian burn They don't care

1206
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: at all. So I listen, I would do it now.

1207
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't expect him to do it now, but I

1208
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: would be stunned if we make it to October and

1209
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Now here's the thing. Once you bench Russell Wilson,

1210
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: do you just cut him and just pay him to

1211
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: go away? Because he's not he's not making him backup. No,

1212
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: he makes like fourteen million dollars. But I'm just saying,

1213
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: so you just keep him around.

1214
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: We watched Justin Fields in Pittsburgh last year. It was

1215
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: four and two.

1216
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: He got bench for Russell. We watched Justin Field today

1217
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: and my takeaway is what happened in Pittsburgh. I mean, Jesus,

1218
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: Justin Field's had a winning record in Pittsburgh. He looks

1219
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: sensational today. I mean Russell at the end of last

1220
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: year in Pittsburgh was probably the worst quarterback in the league.

1221
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: So it's listen. I understand people gravitate. They it's romancing,

1222
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: but we have a coach and Brian Dabole that refined,

1223
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: cleaned up. Josh Allen got Daniel Jones to win a

1224
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: playoff game. You know, got that Italian kid Tommy DeVito

1225
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: that you know is you know, a great story, not

1226
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: a great player. It got him to improve to the

1227
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: point where you're like, oh, he can even play a

1228
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: little bit.

1229
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 3: In this league.

1230
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm watching this as an opener. Usually offensive coaches,

1231
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: if there's a criticism and an opener, they give the

1232
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: quarterback too much. There wasn't any life to it. It

1233
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: wasn't creative. You could see dabol a couple of times

1234
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 2: too in the red zone kind of shaking his head

1235
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: like it's there, man, it's there. This is what Sean

1236
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: Payton said. He's not seeing open receivers.

1237
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: He just runs into sacks too. He just kind of

1238
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: runs into a guy. I do think if you know,

1239
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: owners take a lot of crap from meddling. If I

1240
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: own the Giants, I would be I would tell Brian

1241
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: on the drive home, like, I don't want to see

1242
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: this player anymore. Our fans don't, I don't, his teammates don't.

1243
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: I know, just because maybe he knows the offense a

1244
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: little bit better. Coaches always say this stuff that no

1245
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: one can prove. Well, he's a little better in the

1246
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: media room, well, and then you see that you get away.

1247
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: When you're winning, right, it's like, well, you won the game.

1248
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: He made some plays. When it looks like that, no

1249
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: one cares about all the stuff that they can't see,

1250
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: because that's really all that's what you get paid to do.

1251
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: Play those sixty minutes. You watch Jayden Daniels, and I

1252
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: get Washington's better offensively, and he's a much better player.

1253
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: He's in a different universe. You would lose to them

1254
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: ten out of ten times if you had a ten

1255
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: game series, simply because the quarterback, even if you played

1256
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: your best game, he's just so much better as a player. Russell,

1257
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: there's no plays, even just the basic stuff dink and dunk,

1258
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: and then the playmaking is just it doesn't exist.

1259
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought in this game, by the second

1260
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: half of Washington defensive players, how many times can you

1261
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: be out in the field. I mean, I listen to

1262
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: Gassan Terry McLaurin didn't practice a lot, So I give

1263
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Washington a little pass in the opener. I took the

1264
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: Giants plus six and a half today because I thought

1265
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: McLaurin didn't practice much. Deebo's a new piece. You know,

1266
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: they're still to some degree even though they it's weird

1267
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: they got to the NFC Championship, but to some degree

1268
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: with a roster John, it's a little bit of a rebuild.

1269
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: This is not a stacked roster.

1270
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 2: It was the worst conference championship roster since Andrew lucked

1271
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: to the Colts there and got smoked by New England

1272
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: in eleven and five. Remember that team where they played

1273
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: in the conference championship. Just got the you know what

1274
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: kicked out of him. It's not a great roster. So

1275
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: I do think Washington will get better. But I do

1276
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: think there's a point where Russell's never been. He wasn't

1277
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: popular when he was winning. He wasn't popular in the room.

1278
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: He's not popular now. He's kind of disconnected. And now

1279
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: he's got kids, he's married, he's not hanging out with

1280
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: the young players. If they trailed fourteen to nothing at

1281
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: half next week, I think you'd have to consider Jackson

1282
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: dark enters the third quarter.

1283
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Speaker 1: I'm with you really quick on Washington. I understand he

1284
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: was a second pick, so the expectations were high. He

1285
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: had just been awesome in college. It's watching Jayden Daniels.

1286
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: It's crazy how good the kid is. Because obviously in

1287
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: the pocket, his throws. I mean he's a very natural

1288
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: and then his playmaking is what guys like Russell Wilson

1289
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: used to be. It's only one game, but Deebo Samuel

1290
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: looked pretty reinvigorated. He had seven catches, he had the

1291
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: end around. And this is a contract year guy like

1292
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: you said, Terry mclaurin's been out all training camp holding out.

1293
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: So once as he gets going, you add McLaurin with

1294
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: him with Jaden, the offense could be a little more

1295
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: even complete than it was last year. Now defensively, I

1296
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: mean they're playing Russell Wilson, so we'll see him play

1297
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: better teams, but their offense might have You know, Ertz

1298
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: is still making plays at an older age. So I

1299
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: this Washington offense has got a chance to be pretty

1300
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: good because that quarterback he resurrected a dead fan. The

1301
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: franchise was dead dead. I mean, he resurrected the franchise.

1302
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about There's a couple of

1303
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: games I don't think are worthy of great discussion. Rams

1304
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: beating the Texans was pretty sloppy. So Tyler Dunn is

1305
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: guy that I used to bring on the Herd. I

1306
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: still do about once twice a year I brought him

1307
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: on this podcast. He wrote a story about Ryan Poles.

1308
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: Did you read that story about Ryan Poles the Bears?

1309
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: I read about half of it there. I've read a

1310
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: lot of the clips of it.

1311
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

1312
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: So it's pretty damning. So I'm not a huge Ryan

1313
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: Poles fan. I think the ownership's week Kevin Warren hasn't

1314
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: you know, it hasn't proven anything yet. I would not

1315
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: have given Ryan Poles a new contract, But be that

1316
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: as it may, he got it. The story basically says

1317
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: that it was rigged. He was taking Caleb Williams. He

1318
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: apparently thought Caleb was the best quarterback in the draft

1319
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: and JJ McCarthy was second best. Okay, I understanding like

1320
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: liking Caleb Williams. There's a lot of horsepower, he's got

1321
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: a big harm He's sensational talent, but not and not

1322
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: loving Drake may I knew people that didn't love him.

1323
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: Apparently he didn't think much of Jaden Daniels, which I

1324
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: think is impossible. I can remember before the draft saying

1325
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels is going to He's gonna look like Lamar Jackson.

1326
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: I remember saying this five times on the air. He's

1327
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: gonna look a lot like Lamar Jackson, but way better

1328
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: in the pocket.

1329
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 3: Early like he was.

1330
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: Virtually can't miss. He was going to be an excellent

1331
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: with Cliff Kingsbury in Terry McLaurin. My thing was he's skinny.

1332
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't get hurt, but he's gonna be

1333
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: wildly productive. He's just really, really talented. Now he's better

1334
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: than I thought on third down, he's better closing drives,

1335
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: He much more. I've never seen a rookie quarterback that poist.

1336
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if you'd never seen him before, you'd think

1337
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: he's a seven year player. I think he's better than

1338
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck was as a rookie. I think he makes

1339
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: fewer mistakes. I think he moves better. I think he's

1340
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 2: better than Andrew Luck, who I thought was sensational eleven

1341
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: and five of the colts with a terrible roster, and

1342
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: I think he's better than that. But it comes across

1343
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: really dysfunctional, and some of the reports about how they

1344
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: their words not mine, dumb down, the offense ready set hiked. Basically,

1345
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I have never got into a Monday night

1346
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: football game in a week one and been more interested

1347
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: in a team that may finish in fourth place. I mean,

1348
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: you have to watch the Vikings tomorrow. I thought that

1349
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: game would be about JJ McCarthy after that article, it's

1350
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: about Caleb Williams. Do you think there's a chance that

1351
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: he's awful, that it doesn't.

1352
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: Work, Yeah, I mean, I think there is one hundred

1353
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: percent chance that he is one of the worst quarterbacks

1354
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: in his class. I mean, I think it has a

1355
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: chance to get very, very weird. And some of it

1356
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: has to do in that article about the personality. Right,

1357
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: A big part of that was he wouldn't listen to

1358
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: the coaches. He would storm off now and then I

1359
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: think that the people pushing back would go, well, it's

1360
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that got fired. It's clear that

1361
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: all the offensive coaches got fired. Or saying this. The

1362
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: thing that I heard from my scouting buddies last year

1363
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: that was undefensible is you go, well, it's easy to

1364
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: take Caleb Williams. No one will give you shit because

1365
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: the media, and rightfully so, said he was one of

1366
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: the best prospects in recent memory. His job is not

1367
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: the media. His job is do what's best for the Bears.

1368
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: Remember Adam Peters when he had the second pick, and

1369
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: he knew Caleb was going one, which you shouldn't. I mean,

1370
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: he brought in every single quarterback, yes, and he took

1371
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: him to Top Golf and people freaked and said, how

1372
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: could you bring in them all? And he just let

1373
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: them all be, and he kind of judged them how

1374
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: they interacted. You don't think he was leading Jaden and

1375
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: Daniels the whole time. But part of doing your due

1376
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: diligence is, hey, this is a great quarterback draft class,

1377
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: so I'm bringing bo Nicks, Drake made JJ and Pettix

1378
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: with Jaden and just letting the cream kind of rise

1379
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: with some other players. And he took a ton of

1380
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: that's his job. They never brought in another quarterback. And

1381
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: even in this article it said, even if you cut

1382
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: it in half, how do you not bring in Jaden

1383
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: Daniels and either Drake may or JJ McCarthy. Then to

1384
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: your building you get thirty people allowed to bring in

1385
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: and they didn't bring them in. They didn't work out

1386
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: any of these guys. There's no disputing that he was

1387
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: dead set on Caleb Williams. That's where I think some

1388
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: of their freaking out about the VR stuff. You know

1389
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: him using virtual reality. Jaden Daniels and Ryan Poles freaking

1390
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: out as we need to get Caleb on that will

1391
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: buy it, and they're like what if he doesn't use it?

1392
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: And the coaches are like, well make him use it.

1393
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: This is a mom and pop shot. This is not

1394
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: a high level operation. And while Ryan Poles came highly

1395
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: recommended for Andy and the Chiefs, he has felt a

1396
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: little arrogant. I mean you go back to his comment

1397
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: when he got the job about tell the Packers we're

1398
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: gonna start dominating this division. It's like, no one you

1399
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: think Andy Reaves never talked like that in thirty years

1400
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: being a head coach in the league, Like, come on, man,

1401
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: just pump the brakes. Then you watched last year.

1402
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he drafted VELAs Jones in the third round, who

1403
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: could not track the ball. In three years at USC

1404
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: it was understood he could not track the ball.

1405
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: Traded a second round pick for Chase Claypool. I mean,

1406
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: once upon time. I mean he's made some atrocious moves. Listen,

1407
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: the trade for Kayleb Williams to get the number one

1408
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: pick was fantastic with Panthers, and even taking Caleb Williams

1409
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: is a defensible move, but not bringing in the other

1410
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: guys and getting to know the people. What has Washington

1411
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: said from the moment they have got Jane Daniels obviously

1412
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: on the field. My mom can tell you he's a

1413
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 1: good player. We freaking love the guy, Like, how could

1414
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: this guy be such a hot It was what they

1415
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: used to say about Lux, like everyone just loves this

1416
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: human being. Every question I see about Caleb Williams is like, hey,

1417
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: he holds on the ball a little bit, but like,

1418
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: what's his deal? Whenever I hear what's his deal at quarterback?

1419
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm out. Yeah, I'm out. And there have been enough

1420
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: people that's not something you overcome, right looking back, like

1421
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: what did Baker really butt heads with Odell Beckham? I

1422
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: think as time went on, maybe it wasn't all Baker,

1423
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: but he was just in a weird spot. This has

1424
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: been there have been some question marks going back with

1425
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: Caleb in college, you know, and the dad I mean, listen,

1426
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: I understand, I don't know. I never had a son

1427
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: with the talent of Caleb. Hopefully my son's talented. We'll

1428
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: find out. But like the dad wont equity, it's just

1429
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: been a lot of noise and when I watched Jade Daniels. No, hell,

1430
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. He's been injured, not his fault, but there's

1431
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: no noise about the guy. Yeah, there's just way too

1432
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: much noise with this guy. You can't tell me it's

1433
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: all other people. Like, eventually Caleb has to take some blame.

1434
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you we were together when this happened.

1435
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: It was weird extending the backup quarterback when they did

1436
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: not need to. It would not be weird if Patrick

1437
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: Mahomes or Josh Allen was your quarterback and you just went, hey,

1438
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: this is great value. We love this kid. We want

1439
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: to have an asset. You have this quarterback, which is

1440
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: clearly pretty. I would just say there's a lot going on.

1441
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: You would want to quiet everything. So for them to

1442
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: do that, I think part of this article too, was

1443
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: like Ben Jonson's gained more and more juice. You're telling

1444
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: me the GM did that if he loves the starry.

1445
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: Quarter Johnson when he signed Tyson Bage and remember some

1446
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: of the comments at a press conference, He's like, man,

1447
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,839
Speaker 2: this guy is super sharp.

1448
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 1: This guy is this worker in the building.

1449
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you shouldn't probably say that. I mean,

1450
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: when when Sean Payton signed Jared Stidham. I think it

1451
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: was when he had so he's like, oh, he's a

1452
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: good player, and that was it out of respect to Russell,

1453
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: like this guy was like he's the sharpest guy.

1454
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable how good he's been. That to

1455
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 3: me was a message.

1456
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: People say things for a reason in the NFL, and

1457
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, I all I know is Vikings Bears has

1458
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: these guys can be tied for fourth.

1459
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 3: It's gonna get a monster number. That's all I know.

1460
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: It's gonna get a lot of juice. I do think

1461
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: it's really hard to overcome. You know, you saw it,

1462
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: like you said today about Sam Darnold, it's kind of

1463
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: a natural movement for him to hold the ball low

1464
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: right and bring it up, and that was an undoing.

1465
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: It's been something that he's always battled with. When you

1466
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: hold onto the ball. It's not often like, hey, this

1467
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: guy had a problem. He just held onto the ball forever,

1468
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: and then five years into his career it's like, well

1469
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: he just gets rid of it like he's Peyton or Tom.

1470
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: Now that's not usually the way it works, right, You

1471
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: watch Jaydon Davis. He can get rid of it in

1472
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: a heartbeat, party can get rid of it really quick.

1473
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: If it's so like it just it comes natural or

1474
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I do think there's no one just no

1475
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: one's ever argued about like Caleable. He's got an explosive arm.

1476
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: He just holds onto the ball for a long time.

1477
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: So even if we just talk strictly football, none of

1478
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff that is just a fundamental

1479
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: I would say, uh, that's not the way that Ben

1480
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: Johnson has ever wanted to operate. And his success came

1481
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: from a guy that got rid of the ball every day.

1482
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: With Ben Johnson's offense and Kyle's is timing, they are

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Speaker 2: timing offenses. Caleb doesn't play on time. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be problematic. John Middlecoff, former NFL

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Speaker 2: scout our first Foray, I'm gonna go watch the Bills

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Speaker 2: and the Ravens. I know you are as well, Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Nice job, see you, buddy. The volume from Omaha Productions,

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Speaker 2: This week, host Kyle Brandt is joined by Heidi Gardner

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Speaker 2: and Eric stone Street for Super Bowl fifty four Chiefs

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