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Speaker 3: With a government funding deadline coming up on September thirtieth,

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Speaker 3: shut down, brinksmanship now finds itself at the center of

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Speaker 3: populist politics once again. But of courseger we're not talking

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Speaker 3: about Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, although we'll get to

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Speaker 3: them in just a moment. We're talking about Ezra Cline.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about progressives in the House and in the

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Speaker 3: Senate who now face quite an interesting decision to fund

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Speaker 3: the government or not to fund the government, to cooperate

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Speaker 3: with Republicans, or to push for a shutdown and rally

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Speaker 3: the troops. Let's go ahead and put up on the

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Speaker 3: screen this Ezra Cline op ed, which was everywhere you've

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Speaker 3: probably already seen it. Actually, this is c one. Actually

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Speaker 3: we're we're gonna play a sot of Ezra Client talking

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Speaker 3: about the op ed he wrote in The New York Times.

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Speaker 3: The headline was stop acting like this is normal, and

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Speaker 3: towards the end of the piece, Ezra Cline says, I'm

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Speaker 3: not a political strategist. I hope somebody's better ideas than

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Speaker 3: I do. But it's been about six months, and Schumer

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Speaker 3: decided that it wasn't the time for a fight, referring

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Speaker 3: back to the brief moment where Democrats considered in March

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Speaker 3: a government shutdown that neither he Asra continues nor the

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Speaker 3: country was ready. Democratic leaders have had six months to

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Speaker 3: come up with a plan. If there's a better plan

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Speaker 3: then Democrats need new leaders. So let's go ahead and

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Speaker 3: bring Ezra in himself. Via this sot from the New

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Speaker 4: We are no longer in the muzzle velocity stage of

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Speaker 4: this presidency, or Donald Trump is trying things and seeing

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Speaker 4: what sticks. We are in the authoritarian consolidation stage of

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Speaker 4: this presidency. I want to be very clear about what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying here. Donald Trump is corrupting the government. He's

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Speaker 4: using it to hound his enemies, to line his pockets,

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Speaker 4: and to entrench his own power. He is corrupting it

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Speaker 4: the way the mafia would corupt the industries it controlled.

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Speaker 4: You could still under mafia rule get the trash picked

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Speaker 4: become the preservation and expansion of the mafia's power and wealth.

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Speaker 4: This is what Donald Trump is doing to the government.

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Speaker 4: This is what Democrats cannot fund. I think the case

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Speaker 4: for a shutdown is this. A shutdown is an attentional event.

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Speaker 4: It's an effort to turn the diffuse crisis of Trump's

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Speaker 4: corrupting the government into an acute crisis that the media

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Speaker 1: Pay attention to.

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Speaker 5: Right now, Democrats have no power, so no one cares.

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Speaker 4: What they have to say. A shutdown would make people listen.

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Speaker 4: But then Democrats would have to actually win the argument.

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Speaker 3: They would need to.

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Speaker 4: Have an argument. In my head, the argument is something

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Speaker 4: like this. Donald Trump won the election. He is the

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Speaker 4: legitimate president. His government should be funded so long as

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Speaker 4: it is acting the way the government is supposed to,

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Speaker 4: serving the people, being held accountable. But there are red

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Speaker 4: lines that cannot be crossed. ICE can conduct legitimate deportations,

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Speaker 4: but it can't be masked men roaming the streets refusing

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Speaker 1: Remember you're right to remain signed.

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Speaker 4: The Trump family cannot be hoovering in money and investments

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Speaker 3: So what Client is calling for there is Democrats to

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Speaker 3: You could come up with a million different ways that

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Speaker 3: Democrats can message this, but they didn't want to do

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Speaker 3: Johnson was addressing some questions about it just yesterday. HOWSE

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Speaker 6: to diligently work towards getting all twelve bills out of committee,

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Speaker 6: take the path of maximum resistance and try to shut

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Speaker 6: We have our sleeves rolled up and we want to

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Speaker 6: And if they're willing to do that, and it's incumbent

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Speaker 6: national debt, we're open to that. But the ultimate question

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Speaker 1: Just the way it is.

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Speaker 3: of course, that was Mike Johnson saying Democrats are looking

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you just reversed the parties and put

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Speaker 3: it up verbatim in twenty thirteen would be such a

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Speaker 3: the tone that Republicans were taking back in those battles,

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Speaker 3: the potential substantive effect of a fight, but more than anything,

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Speaker 3: now is this is your opportunity to say what Democrats

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Speaker 3: this was the cultural treatment of the Tea Party. There are,

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Speaker 3: a powerful argument as far as it goes. But at

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Speaker 7: The position taken by the Democrats is not defensible. What

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Speaker 7: You can't do that. He's not a dictator, he's not

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Speaker 3: Not a dictator, he's not a desk But referring to

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Speaker 1: are hijacking a legitimate sentiment. One hundred thousand people a

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Speaker 1: year dying from fentanyl. This is from the US government.

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Speaker 1: DEA figures ninety nine percent of all fentanyl that enters

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Speaker 1: the United States comes from Mexico and originally precursors come

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Speaker 1: from China. Ninety nine of all I think ninety three

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Speaker 1: percent of all cocaine which enters the United States, it's

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Speaker 1: from Colombia transited via Mexico through the border here into

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Speaker 1: the US, which is obviously also tainted with fentanyl. So

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Speaker 1: the cartels that are responsible for this are the Cinaloa cartel,

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever, the New Generation Cartel, all of these whatever.

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Speaker 1: There's various subgroups and others that exist inside of Mexico.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to say those are the people, but

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Speaker 1: trend de Aragua. I mean this. We had one David

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Speaker 1: Rojas here on the show and he's like, guys like

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Speaker 1: these are engaged in human trafficking, which is a horrible,

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Speaker 1: despicable crime. But you know, to the extent that they're

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Speaker 1: doing drug dealing, it's street dealing. And to me, I said, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not an industrial it's not an industrial like drug dealing fentanyl,

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Speaker 3: which they are.

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Speaker 1: They literally are, but we're not doing anything presumably about that.

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Speaker 1: It's like, this seems cover to me. As this literally

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Speaker 1: just seems covered to me as as a regime change off.

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Speaker 1: We have a fifty million dollars boundary on Maduro's head

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Speaker 1: because he's engaged in drug trafficking.

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Speaker 3: Again, and maspth did not rule that out right.

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Speaker 1: Seven percent of all cocaine not from Colombia and Mexico

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Speaker 1: transits via all of these other countries, including Venezuela. So

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Speaker 1: this is like the even calling it tertiary is not

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Speaker 1: even fair. And we have this huge US military presence,

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Speaker 1: We have a fifty million dollar bounty on Maduro's head,

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Speaker 1: we struck this speedboat which allegedly was carrying cocaine whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't. We don't even know if any

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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 3: Is true because they will not say they will.

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Speaker 1: I won't even say they won't to reduce the evidence.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, you know, for me, and I

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Speaker 1: think Glenn Greenwell brought up a great point. It's like

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Speaker 1: this looks like a Noriega style regime change operation all

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Speaker 1: over again. And I think it would be a different

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Speaker 1: story if it was about the Mexican drug cartel. By

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Speaker 1: the way, you want to know why they haven't struck

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Speaker 1: the Mexican drug cartels because what is it, fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of trade, maybe forty percent of trade moves across the

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Speaker 1: US Mexico border, and they're not going to do anything

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Speaker 1: to jeopardize that because it would destroy the entire US

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Speaker 1: economy for Mexico and Canada. There's no way US military

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Speaker 1: strikes are going to happen in Mexico and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to shut the border down Shinebaum and others. It's

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Speaker 1: never gonna happen. And for them, what they allow basically

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, we have all this new cooperation.

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Speaker 1: It's a bullshit if you ask me. But my point

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Speaker 1: is just that the actual cartels that are doing this

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Speaker 1: are facing nothing like nothing. But then the side show

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Speaker 1: with Venezuela, all of a sudden they're cartels and they're poisoning.

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Speaker 1: It's like, guys, it's not even true about what's happening here.

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Speaker 1: And this is use of the United States military regime

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Speaker 1: change literally openly being crowd about by our current Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State in Venezuela. In Venezuela, which is like the

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Speaker 1: Neocon wet dream. Everything about this stinks too high heaven,

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Speaker 1: and that's taking it out of the first principles due

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Speaker 1: process type stuff. This is because you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: good argument too, is Hey, the US Coast Guard interceptcies

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Speaker 1: ships all day long. Yeah, proscy people, we have an

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Speaker 1: international agreements, et cetera. Why didn't you do that. It's

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Speaker 1: to send a message. It's like, okay, message to whom,

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Speaker 1: and send a message for what to the Maduro government,

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Speaker 1: who then overflew US military sites, and then Trump tells generals, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can go and shoot them down. Do we want

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Speaker 1: to be in a hot war with Venezuela again over

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Speaker 1: a country which zero percent of fentanyl enters the United

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Speaker 1: States of America from. But that's the problem. Nobody even

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Speaker 1: does enough cursory Google search to look at. Even the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media when they cover this, they're not giving you

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Speaker 1: the facts about them. It's there. They are involved in

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Speaker 1: drug trafficking, and you're like, well, what kind you know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, technically the drug trafficking is accurate. But to

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Speaker 3: your point about.

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Speaker 1: One day inside of Venezuela. By the way, I don't

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Speaker 1: give a shit who drills drugs in Venezuela. Definitely not

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Speaker 1: to the point of using the US military for to

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so, I mean, and you get into these

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Speaker 3: process arguments, it sounds like from JD's perspective, Uh so

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Speaker 3: when you're talking like JD. Vance's here, I don't give

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Speaker 3: a shit, that is probably not that difficult to sell,

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Speaker 3: definitely to Republican voters. That's you know, I was going

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Speaker 3: to say, I mean, it's it's perfectly consistent from many

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Speaker 3: people in the Republican Party who never really changed their

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Speaker 3: mind on, for example, the AUO math. I went back

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Speaker 3: and looked to see what Matt Gates has said about this,

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Speaker 3: and he's tweeting his interview with Jade Vance and saying

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Speaker 3: no apologies American flag emoji, where Dvance is saying, if

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Speaker 3: you are engaged in war against the American people, you

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Speaker 3: at risk of having your entire operation literally blown to bits.

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Speaker 3: By the way, that can be perfectly true and also

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Speaker 3: not for example, well also for example not having the

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Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense slash war Pete Hexa. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I don't have any problem with the Secretary of Defense

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Speaker 3: changing the name to the Department of War because but anyway,

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Speaker 3: although it's to say this is like Matt Gates was

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Speaker 3: against the authorized use of military force being used in

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Speaker 3: Africa when he was a congressman, and all of that

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Speaker 3: for good reason. Now Pete Heiseth has recently said it's

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Speaker 3: no different than al Qaeda, right, did you see that

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Speaker 3: from him? Like, no different from al Keeda or the Taliban.

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Speaker 3: If you're in a boat, you're going to get struck.

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Speaker 3: And of course, again we haven't seen the evidence that

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Speaker 3: this is not a potential mistake, as rand Paul cited.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's not. Maybe these were actual narco terrorists. Maybe

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Speaker 3: let's just say it was Sinaloa. Let's say it was

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Speaker 3: actually the people who are bringing fentanyl into the United States.

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Speaker 3: The argument from a lot of conservatives who started to

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Speaker 3: rethink the neo conservative policies that got us into quagmires

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Speaker 3: in Iraq and Afghanistan is actually that the process is

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Speaker 3: really important, because when you start to paper over the process,

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Speaker 3: you give oligarchs essentially power to do regime change wars

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Speaker 3: without democratic buying, and in ways that end up being well,

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Speaker 3: let's use the word again, quagmires, because they were not

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Speaker 3: well thought out and they were based on crazy levels

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Speaker 3: of intelligence. I've been reading the Michael Isakoff, David Korn

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Speaker 3: book called Hubris about how we ended up getting to

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Speaker 3: a rock And it's funny that those are the two

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Speaker 3: authors who wrote that book about how we cooked up

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Speaker 3: the intelligence case. But when you then look at how

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration now is connecting trend de Arragua to

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Speaker 3: Cartel of the Suns to Maduro right and say that Madua.

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Speaker 1: It's it's literally just like Iraq. It's the same, it's

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Speaker 1: the same shit it is it. Look, no one's claiming

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Speaker 1: here that hundreds of thousands troops are going to go

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Speaker 1: into Venezuela. Okay, I don't think they're that dumb. I hopefully,

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Speaker 1: but if there is.

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Speaker 3: A military strike in Mexico, which I don't necessarily agree with,

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Speaker 3: you won't happen. I could see some type of precision

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Speaker 3: action or whatever. But if troops die, If American troops

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Speaker 3: die in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, people can freak out and they should it happens,

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Speaker 1: then well, okay, why do you think that the Mexico

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Speaker 1: thing would happen? I don't there's I just don't see.

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Speaker 1: If they were going to do it, they would have

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Speaker 1: done it. The Shinebaum government has made it entirely clear

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Speaker 1: nobody is setting foot on Mexican soil. We have the

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Speaker 1: greatest trump card of all literally card of all time,

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Speaker 1: which is the vast majority of the goods that you

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Speaker 1: rely on, you know, I mean could go on forever

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Speaker 1: in terms of the amount of stuff that the crosses

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Speaker 1: the US Mexico border on a daily basis. Is that

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Speaker 1: really going to be put into jeopard That's why I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's even happening. It's not even the conversation

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Speaker 1: they beat their drums hard about we're going to go

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Speaker 1: after the cartels, and it's all bullshit. You know, none

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Speaker 1: of not a single one of those things as materialized.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're wrong about that. But I think

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing with them building this cartel case, I

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Speaker 3: feel like part of it is that they're trying it

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Speaker 3: with Venezuela and trying to build a case potentially for

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Speaker 3: Mexico because I think Hexeth actually like they have all

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Speaker 3: these ideas about precision type strikes that they could do

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Speaker 3: in Sinaloa in a way that shine Bomb, for example,

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Speaker 3: might actually welcome, which she wouldn't right now because this

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Speaker 3: is like about Mexican sovereignty or whatever. But what happens

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Speaker 3: when they start turning the screws to the Mexican economy.

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Speaker 3: You're threatening to turn the screw to the Mexican economy

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Speaker 3: in a much more serious way. But also what worries

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Speaker 3: me most is like, what happens if a CIA guy

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Speaker 3: doing anti's narco terrorism stuff in San Luloa gets killed?

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Speaker 3: What happens when there is some type of like we've

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Speaker 3: already seen drone actions since Trump's come to office on

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Speaker 3: the border. What happens when there's, you know, in Rainosa,

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Speaker 3: some type of drone activity from CIA or DoD or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Do we get pulled into something? That possibility is what

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Speaker 3: does worry me definitely.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, all of this is not exactly

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Speaker 1: out of the realm. I remember there's some crazy stuff

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Speaker 1: that went down with the US and Columbia back in

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Speaker 1: the nineties, and there's they even made movies about it.

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Speaker 1: Were clear and present danger. All right, let's go at.

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Speaker 1: Let's end with some words from Glenn Greenwall, who did

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Speaker 1: a great job of breaking this all down. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen.

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Speaker 9: MAGA was supposedly a movement principally of younger people who

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Speaker 9: booked all these wars and said, why do we keep

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Speaker 9: bombing people all over the world. Why don't we, I think,

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Speaker 9: involved in these foreign conflicts. Why don't we focus on

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Speaker 9: our own country that's falling apart instead? And yet it's

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Speaker 9: been amazing for me to watch how easy it is

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Speaker 9: to convince most Trump supporters, not all, but most, to

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Speaker 9: just start cheering for the very words they said they

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Speaker 9: were against. You just tell them these are bad guys.

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Speaker 1: I think it's right. I think people should have a

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Speaker 1: lot more scrutiny and not just take people's word for

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Speaker 1: it about Fenton al or any of this. It takes. Look,

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Speaker 1: go on chat, cheept, go on Google. I mean, do

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Speaker 1: we just sit here? Are we mindless drones? It's not

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Speaker 1: that difficult, you know. And I did this for all

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Speaker 1: of the remember, and anytime there was some striking Yemen

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Speaker 1: or any of this, they all fall apart like this

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Speaker 1: almost every single time. But you know, that's what policies.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, you also end up killing civilians

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Speaker 3: and enraging their communities against the United States.

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Speaker 1: That actually happened.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: I used to think that was left leftist talking point.

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Speaker 1: I started looking into it, I was like, no, they're

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Speaker 1: actually right, and it's true. One hundred percent true.

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Speaker 3: Well, great and gun and Gunn's in a position to

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Speaker 3: know that because over the last ten years he's talked

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Speaker 3: to many people on the right, including both of us,

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Speaker 3: who hopefully will be consistent on this, But he talked

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Speaker 3: to many people on the right. I'm probably thinking of

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Speaker 3: Matt Gates. I we'd have to ask Glenn if that's

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Speaker 3: someone who is in mind who made these cases to

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Speaker 3: him and with him right, that's right on the basis

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Speaker 3: of constitutional law.

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Speaker 1: Very important point. Let's get to UFO. Christ's not here.

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Speaker 1: We can do uf I'm joking. She never holds Mom's away. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't hold me up any time I want to

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Speaker 1: cover the story. There was a big UFO hearing yesterday. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm very sorry that I could not attend. One of

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Speaker 1: the major headlines out of it is a new video

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Speaker 1: that was released ostensibly showing a UAP in which a

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Speaker 1: hell fire missile was fired and it seems to glance off. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some countervailing evidence. I want to

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Speaker 1: be clear that shows that it could be a balloon,

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Speaker 1: but I do want to at least give it some

658
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Speaker 1: credit for the video being released. Let's go ahead and

659
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Speaker 1: put it up here on the screen, so you can

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Speaker 1: see here this is a twenty twenty four incident, allegedly

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Speaker 1: according to the congressman who released it, and you can

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Speaker 1: see the object moving over. Soon you're actually going to

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Speaker 1: see a hellfire missile com it glances off and you

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Speaker 1: can see that it continues basically dodging. So that is

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Speaker 1: the alleged evidence that was included there from the congressman.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of other angles that you can see

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Speaker 1: from it. What's important, though, I think, is not just

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Speaker 1: the video that was released, but actually some of the testimony,

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Speaker 1: including here from US Air Force veteran Dylan Borland, who

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Speaker 1: testified on witnessing a quote silent one hundred foot equilateral

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Speaker 1: triangle that rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds

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Speaker 1: at Langley Air Force Base. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 11: From twenty eleven to twenty thirteen, I was stationed at

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Speaker 11: Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, conducting twenty four hour operations

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Speaker 11: via MANDA non mandarial vehicles for Special Operations Forces in

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Speaker 11: the Global War on Terror. During the summer of twenty twelve,

677
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Speaker 11: my team was on standby for weather and I returned

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Speaker 11: to my barracks on base, and at approximately zero one

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Speaker 11: third I saw an approximately one hundred foot equilateral triangle

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Speaker 11: take off from near the NASA hangar on the base.

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Speaker 11: The crafts interfere with my telephone, did not have any sound,

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Speaker 11: and the material it was made of appeared fluid or dynamic.

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Speaker 11: I was under this triangular craft for a few minutes

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Speaker 11: and then it rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds,

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Speaker 11: displaying zero connectic disturbance, sound, or wind displacement. Some years

686
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Speaker 11: after that experience, I was further exposed to classified information

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Speaker 11: from the UAP legacy crash retrieval programs through a sensitive

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Speaker 11: position I held within a special access program. During this time,

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Speaker 11: intelligence officers approached me in fear for their own careers,

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Speaker 11: citing misconduct within these programs and similar retaliation that I

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Speaker 11: was already enduring at this time.

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Speaker 1: That was followed up also with testimony from George Knapp,

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Speaker 1: who is one of the best journalists on the UFO

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Speaker 1: sabviakt Taspen for decades. Here and here was some of

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Speaker 1: the testimony that he offered.

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Speaker 12: It's been widely reported and suspected that Lockheed Martin is

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Speaker 12: one of the contract the Defense contractors that has held

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Speaker 12: this stuff, stored it away in secrecy, and tried to

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Speaker 12: figure out how it works.

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Speaker 13: I have confirmed on the record that Robert.

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Speaker 12: Bigelow and a trusted colleague from OFFSAP met with and

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Speaker 12: negotiated with senior executives at Lockheed Martin and hammered out

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Speaker 12: a deal wherein Bigelow's company, BASS would receive a quantity

704
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Speaker 12: of unusual material that had been stashed away and protected

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Speaker 12: at a facility in California.

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Speaker 5: That material was not made here.

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Speaker 1: That has long been part of some of the UFO

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Speaker 1: communities reporting is basically that defense contractors are used as

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Speaker 1: cutouts so that you can have plausible deniability. It also

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Speaker 1: goes to the fact that Pentagon pass an audit because

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Speaker 1: nobody knows where some of this black money and all

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Speaker 1: this other stuff goes. I do want to give some

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Speaker 1: credit to some of the people who are saying that

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Speaker 1: this video is not actually showing a UFO. Now again,

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Speaker 1: I will let you make up your mind for yourself,

716
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Speaker 1: but this actually comes from a guy who I very

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Speaker 1: much respect, Joe Mergia UFO. Joe, let's put it up

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Speaker 1: here on the screen. And so what he says is

719
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Speaker 1: that from one of the basically he looked into it.

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Speaker 1: They talk about the hell fire missile. What he says

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Speaker 1: specifically is that quote contact occurred with the missile passing through.

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Speaker 1: The apparent deflection was a guidance system searching for a

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Speaker 1: laser spot, again causing control services to thrash. The three

724
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Speaker 1: trailing objects aligned better with debris or internal components ignited

725
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Speaker 1: by electrical damage rather than missile fragments. Artifacts are possible

726
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Speaker 1: but unlikely. Let's go to the next part here, and

727
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Speaker 1: they say the overall conclusion is that the evidence is

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Speaker 1: most consistent with a slow moving or stationary balloon carrying

729
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Speaker 1: an electrical payloads, struck by a hell fire that failed

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Speaker 1: to detonate. Anomalies arise from fuse mechanics, etc. I will

731
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Speaker 1: let others determine the facts. But that was some of

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Speaker 1: the original kind of quote debunking that I saw on it.

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Speaker 1: You can make up your minds for yourself in terms

734
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Speaker 1: of what it comes from. It was representative Eric Burlson,

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Speaker 1: by the way, who is the person who vealed it.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of those where it was presented as

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Speaker 1: received from an independent from a whistleblower according to him.

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Speaker 1: But the circumstances are a bit weird. He said he

739
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Speaker 1: received it without any metadata or any of that, and

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Speaker 1: he says independent review is ongoing. So I do think

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Speaker 1: it's important to at least present the fact that some

742
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Speaker 1: analysts and others are saying that it could have been

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Speaker 1: a balloon, which they say about all of them, and so,

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Speaker 1: you know, to be I want to be totally fair

745
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Speaker 1: about That's part of the reason independent reviews very important,

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Speaker 1: part of the reason throwing to the experts, et cetera,

747
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Speaker 1: and actually taking this stuff seriously. But nonetheless, it was

748
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Speaker 1: great to see George Knapp and some of the others.

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Speaker 1: They're recounting some of their experiences. I do think some

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Speaker 1: of us are still getting very fed up with the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's still so slow moving. You know, I

752
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Speaker 1: tended the first UFO hearing, what two years ago, you

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Speaker 1: know at this point, yeah, this is the third one.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, the very first one with Dave Grush, right,

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Speaker 1: I was there, you know, I was in the room.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a big moment. I thought something

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Speaker 1: was coming. And then you know, the NDAA continues to

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Speaker 1: not have some of the UFO disclosure pieces, even though

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Speaker 1: it's been pushed by members of the overall usen So

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Speaker 1: we rely on Anna, Pauline Luna or other people are

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Speaker 1: making extraordinary accusations. I'm very willing to believe. But we

762
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Speaker 1: got to see more evidence. We got to see more

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Speaker 1: stuff come from the government.

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Speaker 3: An interesting disagreement playing out on X right now between

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Speaker 3: UFO Joe and Lou Elizondo that's on News Nation last

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Speaker 3: night made a very interesting argument, which is that the

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Speaker 3: Hellfire missile UFO is evidence of quote technology that is

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Speaker 3: making our premier missile system completely useless. And if you're

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Speaker 3: wondering why, in relation to what Soccer just described about

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Speaker 3: the NDAA, why are our members of Congress and even

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Speaker 3: remember Marco Rubio as a senator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a larger That's right.

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Speaker 3: Mainstream members of Congress interested in getting answers to questions

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Speaker 3: like these. Well, it's because they're seeing videos and hearing

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Speaker 3: analysis from people like Lou who worked at the Pentagon.

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Speaker 3: You can debate Alizondo whatever, but saying this is evidence

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Speaker 3: of technology that is making our premier missile system completely useless. Now,

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Speaker 3: UFO Joe disagrees. He says early on, I agreed right now,

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Speaker 3: I do not I retain the right to change in

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Speaker 3: my mind, to lie present any analysis or mentioned anybody

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Speaker 3: who has an analysis beside the stuff shared on here

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Speaker 3: by us. But that gets to what Zager was just saying,

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Speaker 3: which is that years into this Third Task Force meeting,

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Speaker 3: the bombshells are highly disputed.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's not like this bombshell dropped yesterday and everybody was

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Speaker 3: like when that New York Times story originally dropped back

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Speaker 3: in what twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's that's when. That's why I'm here. It

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Speaker 1: all broke into the Yeah, that's the only reason. That's

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Speaker 1: what got me in. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But we haven't had another moment like that.

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Speaker 1: Really, it's been a while. Dave Grush was very important,

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Speaker 1: I think as well. But I think that's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I just got to see more. And you know, credit

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Speaker 1: to Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp and all these guys.

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Speaker 1: They're the ones who are at the vanguard. They're pushing

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Speaker 1: the conversation. They're singularly responsibly, they're getty responsibly ve and

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Speaker 1: I do. That's why I include all of the information.

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Speaker 1: You can make up your mind for yourself. I think

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Speaker 1: more scrutiny pressure on these you know, the democratic the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Republican establishment to get the stuff out there is

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Speaker 1: just so vitally important if you want to get to

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Speaker 1: the truth because at this point, you know, you have

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Speaker 1: congresswomen and others people making major accusations and which is

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Speaker 1: our allegations, which I'm totally willing to believe, but we

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Speaker 1: have to see more evidence in the future. That's the

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Speaker 1: number one important thing. So yeah, call your congressman, tell

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Speaker 1: them to our senator, get them to the make sure

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Speaker 1: the NDAA is going to have that. Watch it to them, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, to the UA. It's like so low on

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Speaker 1: their priority list that if even twenty people call about it,

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll do something. You never know, you truly never know.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the Tim Dillon segment that

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Speaker 1: we have been we'd put off yesterday because we talked

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Speaker 1: too much. Luckily, Emily and I still did talk a lot,

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Speaker 1: but luckily we still do have a few minutes here

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Speaker 1: that we can go over it. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: play this. It's Tim Dillon and Joe Rogan talking about

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Speaker 1: AOC and jd Vance quote not having it for president.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 14: Now, why is AOC shutting her mouth about Israel Because

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Speaker 14: AOC's donors are big Israeli tech people. She's been silenced,

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Speaker 14: and she's trying to for president too.

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Speaker 13: Really, yeah, she'll struggle.

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Speaker 5: She's not gonna win. She's a goofball. She'd be making mohitos.

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Speaker 5: She's a goofball. She doesn't have it.

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Speaker 14: She's a goof But here's the reality. She's shutting her

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Speaker 14: mouth about Israel. Is AOC out there about Israel? No, No,

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Speaker 14: because she's a fraud. But the smelly gross an Arco

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Speaker 14: Communists in Brooklyn, to their credit, no, she's a fraud.

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Speaker 14: They know she's a fraud. In between their you know whatever,

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Speaker 14: open mic nights and whatever. They figured out poetry, slams

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Speaker 14: and dog walking. They figured out that this bitch is

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Speaker 14: a fraud, big time.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. I don't think she was when she first started.

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Speaker 5: She wasn't, but she got she was. Probably she's realized

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Speaker 5: she has.

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Speaker 14: She's ambitious, she likes nice bags. She likes nice bags.

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Speaker 14: She's ambitious. She wants to be the president.

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Speaker 13: You realize that job can get you hundreds of millions dollars.

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00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 5: Look what happened?

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Speaker 14: Can you get up who her donors are Jimmie These

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Speaker 14: Israeli tech people.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of interesting because this actually just kind of

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Speaker 5: came out.

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Speaker 10: It's really start up entrepreneurs played roles in the rise

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Speaker 10: of Alexandria Cassio Coorte. She pulled out of an event

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Speaker 10: commemorating Rabine. Some concluded that AOC doesn't like Israelis, but

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Speaker 10: two were instrumental in the lawmaker's early career.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's where it gets weird.

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Speaker 13: They find you when you're young.

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Speaker 5: They find you when you're making mohe does.

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Speaker 13: They find you when you're young and promising, like JD.

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Speaker 14: Well, that's the thing JD is gonna have to if

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Speaker 14: you want to be the president, he's gonna have to say,

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Speaker 14: Peter Tele I'm not He's gonna have to say, Peter

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Speaker 14: teal a is Satan.

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Speaker 5: And here's why that's good. JD has to get out.

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Speaker 14: There and go wouldn't you rather know who Satan is

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Speaker 14: and be friends with him and have dinner with him

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Speaker 14: than have it be like who's Satan?

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Speaker 12: Right?

864
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Speaker 5: So he's got to get out there and say, I

865
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Speaker 5: happen to be friends with Satan, and I want that

866
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Speaker 5: to be misunderstod. I wanted to be destigmatized.

867
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Speaker 13: Right, if Satan could go on the Milk Boys, maybe

868
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Speaker 13: they could straighten it out.

869
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Speaker 1: That's right, the dog Boys. That was good. So what

870
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: do you what do you think of Tim's And I mean,

871
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: we got to be a little Look, I'm on the

872
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: business of defending AOC, But like I wouldn't say that

873
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: she shut her mouth about Israel. I mean she said genocide.

874
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 13: Right.

875
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: You know, the one thing that we've hit her for

876
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: here on the show with Ryan is about her vote

877
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: to fund the Iron Dome, because I mean her she

878
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: had this whole convoluted explanation and the defensive Yeah, exactly. Look,

879
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean the part about her how she was legit

880
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: in the beginning and has become a tool of democratic exception.

881
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair. I don't think it's totally

882
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: fair to say it's about Israel, no, per se, that's

883
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: my only thing. And I mean I don't think he's wrong.

884
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: I don't think she could be president either. Specifically for

885
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: those types of reasons. Is that she did basically get

886
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: co opted. And remember she wanted to be the oversight

887
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: chairman and she played ball. She shut her mouth about

888
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: all kinds stuff. They still wouldn't give it to her.

889
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: Entire tenure. Those are all fair criticisms of AOC as is.

890
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 3: I mean, basically, at any point, if at any point

891
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: in your career you have you rely on donors from

892
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: the American donor class, you were going to end up

893
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 3: coming into contact with people who have close ties to Israel.

894
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: That's just how it works.

895
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Speaker 1: Well, so that points out the worst thing she did

896
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: at the DNC was saying that Kamala was working tirelessly,

897
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: versy smart. That's pretty fair because that was insane. Well,

898
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, now maybe the Israel thing is making sense

899
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: to me because when it came Yeah, she put out

900
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: the words, but she actively worked for Kamala to get

901
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: elected and gave her cover on Gaza, which she did

902
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: not have to do. Right, And you and I were there.

903
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: We were at the DNC. You remember all those activists.

904
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Speaker 1: We met some of them while they were treated horribly

905
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: and they were kicked out. And it's still pretty crazy

906
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: in retrospect to have experienced that. Ryan and I interviewed

907
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: a couple of them on the street and who literally

908
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: were kicked out, like not joking.

909
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: It's a great memory of by the way, just you

910
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: and Ryan with microphones, falling at likes complying the hippies

911
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 3: around the DN. We had a passive blest.

912
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do it again. But the point is just

913
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: that that's a fair criticism. But to say that she's

914
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: been bought off or whatever, I'm not entirely sure that

915
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: is accurate. On the JD point though. Here's what's interesting.

916
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: JD had dinner with Tim very recently, by Tim's own admission,

917
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: and Tim seems to be truly like captured by the

918
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: pallenteer teal. He spent a long time going off on

919
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: the anti Christ lecture. He's like, why do you need

920
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: four lectures? One wasn't it was good, it was funny.

921
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just I'm curious for him. I'm like,

922
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: so what, like who is the good politician?

923
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 5: You know?

924
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: And he said some nice things about Marjorie Taylor Green,

925
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: which you know, I mean, okay, I mean I like

926
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: some of the things MPG says. Definitely, I think she's

927
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: very courageous in standing up on Israel and a few

928
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: other issues. But you know, with presidential material, I guess

929
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: the reason why I thought it was important to cover

930
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: is like, where does this podcast thing go?

931
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Speaker 7: Right right.

932
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Last Trump was the perfect vehicle for them because he's entertaining,

933
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: fun to talk to, good stories. You could project whatever

934
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: you want onto him, even though he's literally been the

935
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: president before, and you can be like, no, but he's different.

936
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: You know this timmer, But where does it go from here?

937
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: Like to me, it just seems like pretty nihilistic, but

938
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Speaker 1: I really have no idea.

939
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, this question of who has it or who

940
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 3: doesn't is the reason we're asking it in a way

941
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: that's not like, oh, allegory is very charming. Is because

942
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: we've entered a new chapter in media history, which is,

943
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: if you're in gen Z, you grew up expecting politics

944
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: to look like reality television through no fault of your own,

945
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: but because politics started to merge with iPhone, smartphone and

946
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: social media in a way that it's hard if you're

947
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: younger to trust people who don't come across well on

948
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: the popular mediums and smartphone smartphone world. So if you

949
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: can't have a normal conversation, right, it used to be

950
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: to sit down at a bar test right, but now

951
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: it's more like sit down on an Instagram live way.

952
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: AOC does a lot of Instagram lives and others don't.

953
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: But that's just because there's something about speaking contemporary or

954
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: speaking in real time in a way that feels authentic

955
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: to people. I think that's really what Tim Dylan is

956
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: talking about with Marjorie Taylor Green or Thomas Massey is

957
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: another example who you know, Massy had success on THEO

958
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 3: von like, that's gotten tons and tons of views. I

959
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: think the reason is to sound authentic right now, you

960
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: have to absolutely flame the donor class. You have to

961
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: be willing in ways that Gavin Newsom is not, in

962
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 3: ways that Hakim Jeffreys or these other guys are not.

963
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: And that's a lesson for AOC too. You know, that's

964
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: how she that's she She used Instagram and ex successfully

965
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 3: to take a seat away from Joe Crowley when nobody

966
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: thought it was possible. So my mom Donnie did the

967
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: exact same thing, And it's just about leveraging those mediums

968
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: in a way that resonates. And that's what I think

969
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: Tim is saying when he's like, can Dad do that?

970
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: Well? No, And I think part of the reason why

971
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: is Trump is the Republican establishment. So how can you

972
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: exact the Republican establishment. You can't be anti establishment and

973
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: speak out.

974
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: Of the Republican establishment.

975
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Speaker 1: Well, it's not. It's I really I think the teal

976
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: thing is a proxy for Whenever he was on Theo

977
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Vaughn's podcast and Jad gave it, he's like, well, I

978
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: take money from a lot of people. A THEO came

979
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: out and he's like, yeah, I just thought that was

980
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: like some typical political bullshit, and I was like, yeah,

981
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean it is kind of a problem. Like I

982
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: do get like, you know, you don't want to talk

983
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: badly or whatever about friends or people who donated you,

984
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: but you know it makes you look bad or and

985
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: look personal loyalty and all that stuff is important, and

986
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: it is hard. You know, I can even speak from experience.

987
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: You have to cover people who you literally personally know.

988
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: It's weird. But at a certain point, like you have

989
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: a higher and calling to your job right and just

990
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: say kind of what you think that is seems to

991
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: be the issue and part of the reason I think

992
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: Republicans are really going to struggle post Trump, because you

993
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: can't say anything that's bad about Trump if he's still alive.

994
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: It's not possible in the age of all.

995
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 3: Maybe especially if he's not still alive and he's a martyr.

996
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, I don't know what's harder. I actually

997
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: think if he's not alive, it's much harder. But or sorry,

998
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: if he's alive, it is it's harder because he could

999
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: literally sit there from lay if he wants to. He's

1000
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: never going to leave the political stage. Whereas Democrats, they

1001
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: have no sacred cows anymore. Kamala is done. Her book

1002
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: excerpt just came out and she's trashing Biden. Right, it's over.

1003
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: You know that all the Obama Kamala Biden worship, et cetera.

1004
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: This is permission to say I wish more of them

1005
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: would go weapons free flame them. You need to Oh yeah,

1006
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: some people want to.

1007
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: See exactly, that's what people want to see. And this

1008
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 3: is the question about I actually thought JD did fine

1009
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: and that theo vone interviewed. But the problem is the clips. Right,

1010
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: if there's a clip that comes out of you, it

1011
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if the two hours, I mean it does

1012
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: matter if the two hours is great, but it.

1013
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: Can be sort of have to be fawn all the time.

1014
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And I thought, and that means you have

1015
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: to be now, that means you have to be basically

1016
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: like doing reality TV honesty at all time. And that's

1017
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: what politicians need to get used to, is saying stuff

1018
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: like listen, I'm just friends with Peter too. Right, That's right,

1019
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: that's the way you have to handle it. But all

1020
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: that is to say, we're also in a transition period, right,

1021
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: you know, so there are still people boomers whomever, voting,

1022
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: probably some elder millennials for example, who grew up in

1023
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: a different time than zoomers and are deeply uncomfortable with

1024
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: voting based on who's good. On a podcast, somebody like

1025
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: mom Donnie, and don't you know that's mom, Donnie's pulling

1026
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: out what he's amazing, pulling levels for the politics that

1027
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: he brings to the table. But he's still under like

1028
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: fifty percent.

1029
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah.

1030
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: People somebody asked me, They're like, do you think politics

1031
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: will ever go back to normal?

1032
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 13: And I was like, I don't.

1033
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: I really don't know there, because look, we did try

1034
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: it under Biden. A lot of people were like, exhale

1035
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: of fresh, fresh air, let's gut Biden in there. He's normal,

1036
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: but there was a disaster because normal is bad. I've

1037
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: been trying to tell people that my entire political career,

1038
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: normal is actually way worse than not normal. We need

1039
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: to be very very not normal. To the extent Trump

1040
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: is bad, it's because he's not normal. Is too normal. Actually,

1041
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: he's too normal of a normal Republican, like acting like

1042
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: George W. Bush while he's in office, but just with

1043
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: mean tweets or whatever. So what comes next? I don't know.

1044
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: I mean I could see easy return to I could

1045
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: see a fighter under Gavin who rhetorically is just like Trump, right,

1046
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: rhetorically a fighter policy level like very similar. Yeah, yeah,

1047
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 1: I could see that happen easily. I mean, I believe

1048
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: he's one of the top polls. The alternative is is

1049
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: a Trump style figure who comes in and just knocks

1050
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: everything over. I hope forty figure or Bernie Maybe, I'm

1051
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: not sure if that's imed possible anymore. I would like

1052
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: I'd like to think so, I'm not sure.

1053
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: But Bernie is actually really good in new media, which

1054
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: people like. He really crushed the Oban because he's generally

1055
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: honest and he doesn't cover for donors.

1056
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: He doesn't just think he's one of one. I don't

1057
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: see any Trump, Yeah, I do not see. And that's

1058
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: why I was like, maybe we'll go back to normal.

1059
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Because nobody is as talented as I think.

1060
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: That's an absolute possibility, right, and again, like it will

1061
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: always be a tug of war between the Marjorie Taylor

1062
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 3: Greens and now the Marjorie Taylor Greens, and maybe like

1063
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: the ilhan omar Is on the left and then the

1064
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: traditional politicians. You know, even if the presidency kind of

1065
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: goes back to normal and Washington feels like, you know,

1066
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: it's nineteen eighty nine again, if that happens, it'll still

1067
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: there'll still be a tug of war in the background

1068
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 3: between the new media stars.

1069
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: That's true, and the old one. Well, in a way,

1070
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: it's still downstream of our circumstances. We can't go back

1071
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety nine politics because it's not nineteen ninety nine.

1072
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Speaker 1: Ninety nine was a great year s and P five

1073
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Speaker 1: hundred was booming.

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Speaker 14: No.

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Speaker 1: Nine to eleven, We had the early days. So the optimism, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was so young. I wish I could

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Speaker 1: have been an adult in the year nineteen ninet nine

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Speaker 1: with my Nokia phone. I mean, I've just been cruising

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Speaker 1: like a beeper. Maybe what a world to live in?

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Speaker 1: And to think about the what a world to live in?

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Speaker 1: And to think about where things could go, and then

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Speaker 1: it just all comes crashing down dot com and nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven. I guess that was part of the point,

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Speaker 1: That was part of the part of the price that

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Speaker 1: you pay for that moment. But it must have been

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Speaker 1: awesome to live through. I'm genuinely envious you.

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Speaker 3: And I showed the exact same theory. I think it's

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Speaker 3: possible that civilization peaked in nineteen ninet nine or two thousand.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah. I think that an America specific, the

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Speaker 1: peak of the American Empire was nineteen ninety nine. There

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Speaker 1: you go. We've given you all of our thoughts, Emily,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me on your show.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Uh that was yeah, No, it's wonderful. But we haven't

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Speaker 3: given you all of our thoughts because we will still

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Speaker 3: give you.

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Speaker 1: To We're doing the AMA don't worry. Yeah, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: Stick around for that. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: I'll be on tomorrow with Crystal. We'll see that