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Speaker 1: the former hundred forty pound champion. He joins the program

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Speaker 1: does get back in the ring against Keith Thurman in February,

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Speaker 1: as many have have speculated, Uh, I think they're capable

427
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Speaker 1: of picking up where they left off, And I'd say

428
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: I am encouraged that at least it seems like I

429
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: know Spence has been on social media being a little ambiguous,

430
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Speaker 1: but it seems like Spence is gonna stay at seven,

431
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: gonna take this fight against Keith Thurman, and that will

432
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Speaker 1: at least position him to get to reignite the Crawford talks,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, for the summer say of so at least

434
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Speaker 1: at least I don't feel like the door is completely closed.

435
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: It felt like it was closed in the immediate aftermath

436
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Speaker 1: of of everything falling apart, but now I feel like

437
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: the door is still a little bit open, and if

438
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Speaker 1: cooler heads can prevail, maybe we can get these two

439
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Speaker 1: guys ultimately in the ring. Last thing for, Yeah, I

440
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: actually think it happens too. I do. I'm still optimistic

441
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: to a degree that it's it's going to happen. Last

442
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: thing for You've got Dillian White back in the ring

443
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: this weekend, first fight since getting knocked out by Tyson Fury.

444
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: He takes on Jermaine Franklin's a fight that you can

445
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: see onto his own uh number one. I don't know

446
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: about you, but I think this is a tough fight

447
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: for Dillian White. I'm not sold on Jermaine Franklin. Walk

448
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: over here. I'm just not like you know, Dillian at

449
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: his best is a lot better than Jermaine Franklin. But

450
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: in two of his last three fights, Dillian has been

451
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: starched like stars. Alexander Povekin got him and then Tyson

452
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Fury got him. Jermaine Franklin. Serchio tells him this all

453
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Speaker 1: the time, and I tend to buy it now, like

454
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Speaker 1: when you don't know what it feels like to lose,

455
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: you're a little bit better than people think you are,

456
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: Like you've got something there. And Jermaine Franklin, I think

457
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: he knows going over there, this is his opportunity, this

458
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: is his Tyson Fury fight. He keeps talking about the uppercut,

459
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: which is we know the fight that Dilly the punch

460
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: the Dillion White does not like. Um, let's start here.

461
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Speaker 1: What do you think of this fight? Is this a

462
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: more dangerous fight than for Dillian White than people are

463
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: letting on. Definitely a dangerous fight for Dillon White. I

464
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Speaker 1: mean I think he has to be a US version

465
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Speaker 1: of himself to to beat Franklin out. Uh. We know

466
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Speaker 1: that there's a fight, a big fight ahead for Dillon,

467
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Obviously, Eddie Hern has been

468
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: vocal about it, you know, the rematch with a j.

469
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: So when you have a huge fight like that ahead

470
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Speaker 1: of you, you know you tend to prepare because you

471
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: know you have to get past this guy in order

472
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: to get that. And it's not only about to pay

473
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Speaker 1: that he wants to get back with a j aj

474
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: stopped them years ago, even before he was a champion,

475
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: So I know that fight is important for Dynion, but

476
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: he has to get past Franklans. So I think we

477
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: get the best version of him because of what he

478
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: what lies ahead. Um, but no, it's not gonna be

479
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: easy at all. In fact, I mean I think this

480
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: fight is dangerous as the Probekan fight. I mean, and

481
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: maybe even more because uh you know he hasn't lost,

482
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean big opportunity, nothing to lose, I mean, all

483
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: on the line going out there. So no, this fight

484
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: is not easy at all. But I do see I

485
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: do see Danlian landing a big shot and hurt him Franklin.

486
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: I think he wins this fight by knockout in a

487
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: rough fight. Uh, not easy, But I think at some

488
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: point in that fight, in the late rounds, he lands

489
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: a big shot and stops him. And like I said, Christine.

490
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: He has a lot lying ahead. If he doesn't win

491
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: his fight, it's all over. He might have to because

492
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Speaker 1: I think there's a scenario where in these later rounds

493
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: he's down on the cards. I think Franklin, who is tricky,

494
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: could wind up out boxing him being up you know, four,

495
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: three after seven, five, three after eight, that kind of

496
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: situation where Dillian's gonna have to pull one of those

497
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: wicked body shots or wicked left hooks, the kind of

498
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: shots that put so many fighters like Derek Just or

499
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: another others down to to do it. So that's a

500
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: dangerous might question watching this one. Um, it does seem

501
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: like though, if Dillian White wins, we are barreling towards

502
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: a J versus White. To Eddie, Hearn says that a

503
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: J is gonna be back first quarter March April, which

504
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: would put him in line to face White four or

505
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Speaker 1: five months after uh he beats Jermaine Franklin. Is that

506
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Speaker 1: the right fight for a J in your mind? A

507
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: rematch with Dillian White? Um? Yeah, I think that that's

508
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: a perfect fight to AJ. I think Dylian is going

509
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: to get the best out of AJ. We all know

510
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: that there's history, There is a immosity. Even though those

511
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: guys you know their countrymen and they supported one another,

512
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: but when they're facing each other, there's a lot of

513
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: hate there. So I think that first of all, Dylan

514
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: has to look somewhat or not even if he's down

515
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: on the cars. If he scores a big knockout against Franklin,

516
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: I think that builds that fight even more. Now stylistically,

517
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: I think that's good for a J coming off fighting

518
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: a guy as a skilled as as sick finding guy

519
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be right there in front of you well,

520
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: giving him the opportunity he can land score a big

521
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: knockout against a guy like Dylan. I'm not saying the

522
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: fight pays out like that, but I think this is

523
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: an actual perfect opponent, big name history there back home

524
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: in London, and a type of style that AJ can

525
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: thrive will Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that. I

526
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: think a J needs a fight that really gets his

527
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: juices flowing, and a rematch with Dillian White, especially if

528
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: White beats Jermain Franklin convincingly would do that. The build

529
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: up to that fight would be strong. That'd be a

530
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: lot of trash talk, and Dillian White, while being dangerous,

531
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: is not the same kind of dangerous as Alexander Usk.

532
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: He's not going to be as slippery as Zusik, as

533
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: technically skilled as Usick. And I think it is an

534
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: ideal fight f Anthony Joshua. What does concern me Not

535
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: to veer too far off here with Joshua, but what

536
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 1: does concern me is a j with this idea that

537
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: like a lot of people are gonna train me like that.

538
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: That never works, Like you need a familiar, soothing, convincing

539
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: voice in your corner, and I don't love it. It

540
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: worked for Devon Haiti, I mean, and his father. His

541
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: father has always been the guy like his father. He

542
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: brings in Ben Davidson. That works out well. He brings

543
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: in you well, Jude, he brings a lot of guys.

544
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: I actually give Bill Haney credit for doing that because

545
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: he knows what he doesn't know, and he's willing to

546
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: learned as he goes along, which is not a lot

547
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: of fathers we're willing to do are willing to do.

548
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's fallows another example of kind of being willing

549
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: to to seed control to a certain degree. But you know, Anthony,

550
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: and if a guy like a j got you gotta

551
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: understand like this guy has been under microscope since he

552
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: wanted Olympic gold medal. Everything is scrutinized. If he does

553
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: something wrong, he has the whole row saying you need

554
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: a new trainer, You're not doing this right, You're not

555
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: doing that right. A lot of pressure on his guy.

556
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, he shouldn't have one trainer.

557
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying the guy is trying to figure it out. Man,

558
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: he is such a big name in his country and

559
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: so much on his back. He just wants to get

560
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: it right and he's trying to figure it out. But

561
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: but sometimes trainer fighter pairents can be a disaster. I mean,

562
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Stewart was one of the great trainers in boxing history.

563
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I remember when he teamed up with Miguel Codo, a

564
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: mess that was back in the day, Like that didn't

565
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: work and Miguel Codo, who looked like his career was

566
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: finished after that, lost Austin Trout. He winds up pairing

567
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: with Freddy Roach, reignites his career, gets for more big wins,

568
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: makes a whole bunch of more money. I'm just saying

569
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: that he had he had to go, but he had

570
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: to go and try those guys out. I mean, he

571
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: didn't know that they were gonna Jael well with you know,

572
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: he was gonna Jael that well with Freddie and it happened.

573
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: So a J that's what he searched. Did he look guy?

574
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: He looked better in the rematch with I mean, like

575
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: I would see with Robert Garcia, I would stay with

576
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Angel Fernandez. I would Actually, what I'm not saying, I

577
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: like that. I like that idea. We had a conversation

578
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: with with Garcia and he told us in Vaguas he said,

579
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, for the next one, I want a J

580
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: to come to Arsenal. I want him to be here

581
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: in this country. So that's not a bad idea. I'm

582
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: not saying he should shift, you know, camps Uh, he

583
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: should stick with him for the next one. I agree

584
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, in in the UK, Anthony Joshua

585
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: can't walk down the street in most major cities without

586
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: being recognized. In San Diego, they think he's a middle

587
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: linebacker for the Chargers like that, No nobody know, Like

588
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: he's just an anonymous figure and he needs that that.

589
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: I agree. I think he does need that, and I

590
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: hope that he he comes to that conclude, it's a

591
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: pivotal time for him, Like he's really one loss away

592
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: from it being over at this point. Like I mean,

593
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Speaker 1: I think you think is fine, but like you're one,

594
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, white level loss away from it being just done.

595
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: And he's one knockout a way of being back on

596
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Speaker 1: top and possible fight with with with Wilder is what

597
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: I see next should he get past I think you

598
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: should do that in New York. I think, like, do

599
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600
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601
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638
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Speaker 1: oh lord, please don't let this fight not have because

639
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: he got in the car right. That was my first thing, Like, bro,

640
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: really like he gets he gets in the car right

641
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: on the media day, Like this is like, this is crazy.

642
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: So but they told me everything was fine, He's good,

643
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: So I was. I was happy about that. But yeah,

644
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: that was the That was the main thing. I was

645
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: just like, oh man, I just can't believe this happened.

646
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm out here, Um, I don't want the fight to

647
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: be called off. You know. I had a long camp

648
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: and we all out here, my team, everybody's out here,

649
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: and if this happens in the fight you called off,

650
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: that'll be that'll be a disaster. Yeah, as you said

651
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: this week, you've basically been training for this fight for

652
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: three years, so to have it called off would have

653
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: been a catastrophe. Speaking of this fight, it has been

654
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: more than three years since you lost your title in

655
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: that unification fight against Josh Taylor. In your mind, why

656
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: is it taken this long for you to get another shot?

657
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. Maybe it's the Maybe it was

658
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: my team, it was a people around me. I don't know.

659
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: I really don't know, Like I can't say why it

660
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: took this long. It shouldn't take this long, you know,

661
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Like if you look at with Um, I was a champion,

662
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: I was number one in the world. I was champion

663
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: and number one in the world, and then you know,

664
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I lost the belt and it took me all this

665
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: time to you know, to get back to it. And

666
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: then you have somebody like whose they were mirrors, which

667
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, he fought Josh Taylor, he lost his belt,

668
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: and then he fights I think he fought for Jos

669
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and then he's right back in line for the belt again,

670
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: like right right after one fight, I have to wait

671
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: three fights, you know. So I don't know, man, I

672
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: don't like. You know, it's maybe it's politics. Maybe it's

673
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: the like I said, maybe it was my team. Maybe

674
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: people just don't like me. I don't know, I don't

675
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: know what it was. I mean to me, it's got

676
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: to be politics, right, because like you're a very likable guy,

677
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: You're a very entertaining fighter in the ring. I think

678
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: the one missing link is that over the last few

679
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: years you have not been aligned with a top rank,

680
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: with a Golden Boy, with a match Roum somebody like that,

681
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: that where guys play the game and put them put

682
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: people like kz Aramiers in that position. Yeah, exactly exactly,

683
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: And that's I guess that's what happened, you know. But

684
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm just glad, you know, I'm glad it happened. Now.

685
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: You know, I've been I sacrificed for three years. I

686
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: could have went to forty seven a long time ago.

687
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: And you know, I said, you know, my my thing

688
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: is I want to be a champion, to get a

689
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: long for it. And that's that's this is just something

690
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: that I just want, you know, something I have on

691
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: my vision boy or something that I just I really

692
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: really yearned to have. That is to be a two

693
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: time world champion. But if I even think about anything else,

694
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: I want to be a two time world champion. So

695
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: I sacrifice. I had nutritionist and now I'm standing one

696
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: for they. So why tell me more about why that

697
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: was so important to you? Because you're right, you could

698
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: have moved up to one forty seven. There was something.

699
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: There was some talk a couple of years ago, but

700
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: you in Terence Crawford potentially meeting at seven you you

701
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: were talking about and have fart of catch weights over

702
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Why is it so important

703
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: to you to get that second title reign at one

704
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: forty Oh Honestly, I just feel like I still should

705
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: be a champion, That's all I mean. With the whole

706
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: jobs tail, the thing, I still felt like, Listen, it

707
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: was a close fight. And I won't say that, oh

708
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: I got robbed or nothing like that, because I did

709
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: get robbed, you know, but I felt like, you know,

710
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: I should still be a champion. That's just kind of half.

711
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't lose the fight and I

712
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: should still be a champer. I feel like if the

713
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: fight was here and it was that close, I probably

714
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: would have got a decision. So I feel like I

715
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: should still be you know, I should still be a

716
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: world champion. And it's just it's just kind of my

717
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: personal history to you know, be a two ton wardship.

718
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: How much do you think back on that Taylor fight,

719
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: because I mean you did. It was a very close

720
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: fight and you did have to go overseas to take

721
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: that fight as part of the World Boxing Super Series.

722
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: Taylor went on to become undisputed and you've kind of

723
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: been trying to work your way back into that mix.

724
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: Do you think often about that fight? Um, it's like, yes,

725
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: it's a yes, and those things, you know. Like so

726
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: for me, I tell everybody that my personal life is amazing,

727
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: you know. Like so it's like it's two different lives,

728
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: like the box of life and then the personal life.

729
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: Like my personal life is way more amazing than my

730
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Box of life. Like I just like I only I

731
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: really do boxing just because I really love the fight.

732
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: I really really like the train. I really love boxing.

733
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: But as far as the politics, you know, I really

734
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: don't like all the politics and all the stuff that

735
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: goes behind boxing. I don't like that. But I love

736
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: the sport. I love the fighters, I love the history

737
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: of it. I'm a history and I read about boxing

738
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: all day. I just love that about about the sport.

739
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 1: But as far as the things that go on behind

740
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: the scene, I don't like that stuff. So I just

741
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: boxed because I just for me, I just boxed because

742
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: I just you know, I love it. I just love it. Um,

743
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: I love the sport, that's all. And UM, so yeah

744
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: that's it. I just I love it. But on my

745
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: on the first on side, I'm always great. Was there

746
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: professionally speaking, was there a really frustrating point for you

747
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: over the last few years where you kind of wondered

748
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: where maybe you wondered if it was ever really gonna

749
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: happen for you? Um, it's like it's yes, it's a yes,

750
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and it's a no question. Is um that's I mean

751
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: yes and a no answer because Um, for me, what

752
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: I did, like to get to the number one spot,

753
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: to get to be a World Champian, what I did

754
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: is I just worked. Man, I studied, I worked. I

755
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: put my head down and working. So for the last

756
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: three years, that's that's what I did. I just put

757
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: my head down. I worked. I mean for the most part,

758
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: something every nine that I might say some things on

759
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: social media, um, but for the most part, just I

760
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: shut up. I didn't complain. I just put my head

761
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: down and I worked and work and work, and I

762
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: knew listen, if I t working, no matter if it's

763
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: takes three years, at four years, six years, I'm gonna

764
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that spot again. I'm gonna get a

765
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: shot again, and you know too for the belt, and

766
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a two time I'm going to be

767
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: a world champion again. So um, it was like, yeah,

768
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely frustrating, and you know, the

769
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: most I think the most frustrating thing is that listening.

770
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: I thought to all the networks, I was naming even

771
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: for a long time for them for the desog on showtime,

772
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: maybe even all the time, and then as soon as

773
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: you lose, it's like they just they it's like they

774
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: throw you away, like literally, they just in boxing, they

775
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: just throw you away. They put me on under cause

776
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, and I didn't. I didn't say that.

777
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: I didn't complaining about it. You know, in my head,

778
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, you know, but I didn't say nothing.

779
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: I said, all right, you all listen, you're gonna see

780
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: him because I will be a world tempan again and

781
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: all the frustration is gonna come out. It really is

782
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: read just the worst part about boxing, how they treat

783
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: a loss or how promoters and networks often treat a

784
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: loss because you look at UFC and I don't even

785
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: know how many losses some of their main events guys have,

786
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: like how many losses and nadas have and he's still

787
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: a headliner. You are, you are, You have been a

788
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: really compelling guy in the ring. Your fights are entertaining,

789
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: so networks should want to have you one more off.

790
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: It was always perplexing to me. I so have tried.

791
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I really wish and I'm sure you did

792
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: that the Hooker fight happened when it was supposed to

793
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: happen before the pandemic. That would have been a great

794
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: showcase fight with for you and probably would have propelled

795
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: you a little quicker back into this mix. But even

796
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: like I mean, the craziness of the business of boxing

797
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: is like you're here in this fight on Saturday in

798
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: large part because Jose Ramirez bowed out of this fight,

799
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: which is crazy. Like I respect those Ramirez tremendous fighter,

800
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: but why was he first in line for this this

801
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: opportunity for a vacant belt, And That's what I'm saying, like,

802
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: why was he exactly you know, like like I said,

803
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: he after he took his loss to jobs till he

804
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: fought one fight and he's right back in line. And

805
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: for me, I have to fight. I had to fight

806
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: three fights for three years and then and I'm in line.

807
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: But then they told me, you know, I was shot

808
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: for me. That's why I made a little rand on

809
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: social media because um, like I was, I understood that

810
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: my next after my next fight, I would fight, I

811
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: would be mandatory to fight the paid a fo the belt.

812
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: And then they told me, all right, Ramiro is Ramires,

813
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: the paid is gonna find like what like how? So

814
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: then then I had to really speak up. I had

815
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: to really say so, you know, because you know, I

816
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: can tell my manager all day long, but listen, I'm

817
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, a close

818
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: mount doesn't get faced. So I had to say something

819
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: about it. And now I'm just glad I'm getting shot.

820
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: So you're thirty three, now be thirty four in January.

821
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: How do you feel physically at the stage of your career.

822
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: I feel, man, honestly, I feel better than I felt

823
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: early because like, I'm doing everything right right now. That's

824
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: the thing, you know. I mean, I know a lot

825
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: of people saying maybe about be cliche and stuff like that,

826
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: but I really do like I hid the nutrition is

827
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: and you know that's and I hid nutrition because I

828
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: didn't know if I canna make one for the because

829
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: after the after the jobs tell of fight, I fought

830
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: Haraldaz and this I didn't make way. I was like

831
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: a pound and a half over, and so the excuse was, oh,

832
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: I didn't make this. I didn't. I didn't make way

833
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: for a whole year. So that's why you know I

834
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: was heavy. So then after that I thought I pray

835
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: catch and it was like one the weight was one

836
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: for the two when I was like one for the three.

837
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: So I still was over that weight. So I was like, man,

838
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, like I can't do it this with sitting

839
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: this song this and doing all this stuff. So I

840
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: had to nutrit. I reached out to a nutritionists and um,

841
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: we did a mock camp. He came to my house

842
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: while I wasn't in camp. We did like a little

843
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: small mock camp. He got the way down like that

844
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: like in like ten days, and I was I was like, um,

845
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the video I was in.

846
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: I was in the ones who with Virtual d Ran

847
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: and that was I was eating and all that stuff.

848
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: So I came back. I can't back to Texas and

849
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: he did that. Man ten days, I got the weight down.

850
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this work and now. And so

851
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: my first fight with with him was my last fight

852
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: in Dubai. And I mean I made I was like

853
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: one thirty eight point eight or something like that, and

854
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: I made the way easy. I felt good. I felt

855
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: strong even right now. Like usually around this time I

856
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: feel I would feel like my old way, I would

857
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: feel dead and I won't feel too good. And right

858
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: now I really fly this far. Like my last night,

859
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: my coach was at the gym, and my coach was like,

860
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: can you please go, like don't do that, like, don't

861
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: hit the bag so hard. Let's you know, let's go

862
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: like even tonight. He like, man, like we we just

863
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, we could do a few things like drills

864
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: and shadow box and stuff, and I want to hit

865
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: the bang. I just have so much energy. I feel

866
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: so good, so um so now, like I said, I

867
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: feel for me, I just feel better. I got my

868
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: food and my food and order, and I just feel better.

869
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: It's great that you feel that way because and I'm

870
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: not telling you anything. You don't know, but like this

871
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: fight is massive for you. I mean, that belt is

872
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: currency right in boxing, Like you get your hands on

873
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: that belt. Next up, presumably would be Jose Ramirez and

874
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: after that, hundred and forty is getting hot again. Where

875
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have Devin Haney moved up into that weight

876
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: class sooner than later, ta Femo Lopez already in that

877
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: weight class, Ryan Garcia after tag David's going to stay

878
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: in that weight class. Like, what's your mindset they're going in?

879
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you you, I'm sure you sense the importance

880
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: of this moment. Yeah, I definitely sense the importance of it,

881
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, But it's just like, you know, it's and

882
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: it's just a it's another fight, you know, you gotta

883
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: look at it like there's just another fight. I do

884
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: feel I mean, I listen, I respect Jose as a

885
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 1: paid for getting to this spot, but I just feel

886
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: like I'm on another level. I really do feel like

887
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm just better. I feel like I'm on

888
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: another level, and um, it's it's just another fight. Yeah,

889
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: it's it's a very important fight because it's the belt

890
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, But at the end of the day,

891
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: it still is just another fight, you know, So that's

892
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of how I look at it like that. I'm just, UM,

893
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: I've been in a long, long camp and I was

894
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: in camp for about five or six months. Um, you know,

895
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: not for this specific fight, but for this specific fight,

896
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: because I was actually UM, I was in camp like

897
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: August twenty and then well I had a date August

898
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: twenty on the n NY Joshua for I had to date.

899
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: I was spotifight on that and then August twenty seven,

900
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: they pushed it back and then they told me, you know,

901
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: you could fight for the belt, stay in camp, but

902
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: you might fight for the belt. So you know, I

903
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: stayed in camp. I did that, and they told me,

904
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: all right, you got the shot, you're fighting. You're gonna

905
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: fight and paid for the belt. So you know, I've

906
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: been to camp for a long time and I'm just

907
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: for me now. I'm just ready to get it over with.

908
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: Last question for you, UM, one name I didn't mention

909
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: was Josh Taylor. He's gonna fight Jack caderall early next

910
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: year in a rematch. You've been vocal about wanting that

911
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: rematch of your own. Um, why is that fight important

912
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: to you and are you willing to jump up and

913
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: wait if Taylor does to go and get it. Well,

914
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: you know what, that's definitely that's the number one of

915
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: my hitlers because it's just like that's I want my

916
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: get back. That's the whole you and we put in

917
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: the States. We definitely put it in the United States.

918
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: But I just want, you know, I want my get back.

919
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: You got I think that we have to run that back.

920
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: And um, you know, but somebody told me yesterday, they said, well,

921
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: if you have the belt at one forty and he's

922
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: at one forty seven, you might be the cash cow

923
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: at one for you, why would you you need to

924
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: need him to go to one for us? And I'm not, like, man,

925
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: you know what, you might be right about that. Maybe

926
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: I won't need them. Maybe I might can make them

927
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: come down to do a catchway or something like that,

928
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, But like I said, that's all speculation. That's

929
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: all he said. She said, right now is all was litivated. Mhm. Well,

930
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: we're just good to have you back one way or

931
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: the other. Great, you're getting this opportunity against sosis A.

932
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: Patty can check that fight out on pay per view

933
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: on Saturday in Carson, California. Had to catch up man

934
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: and good luck this weekend and when we come back,

935
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: this week's picks brought to you by Fan Duel. Time

936
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: now for this week's picks brought to you by our

937
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: friends over at Fan Duel and I am locked in

938
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: this weekend on the heavyweight division. Dillian White, the former

939
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: heavyweight title challenger. He is back in the UK, back

940
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: for the first times to knockout loss against Tyson Fury,

941
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: taking on Jermaine Franklin. Now, on paper, this looks like

942
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: a mismatch. Court to Fan Duel, Dillian White minus four

943
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: hundred favorite Jermaine Franklin plus six forty. You know what

944
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm taking the upset, baby, I am

945
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: taking the upset. I am taking Jermaine Franklin to win

946
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: at plus six forty. He is undefeated at this point

947
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: in his career. And Dillian White, even though I think

948
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: he is the better fighter, he is coming off knockout

949
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: losses in two of his last three fights. He was

950
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: opped a couple of years ago badly by Alexander Povecan.

951
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: He was stopped in his last fight by Tyson Fury.

952
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: I think that Dillian White has taken one too many hits,

953
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: and I think that Jermaine Franklin is going to take

954
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: advantage of it. I think Franklin wins by decision as well.

955
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: That is plus hundred right now over at Fandels. So

956
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm going out on a limb here. I'm not taking

957
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: a favorite. I'm not taking an easy pick. I'm taking

958
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: Jermaine Franklin at plus six forty to win, and I'm

959
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: taking Jermaine Franklin at plus thirteen hundred to win by decision.

960
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Those are my picks, brought to you by Fandel. That's

961
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: it for this week's episode. My thanks to from The

962
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Zone Boxing Show and Redis Pro Grape for joining the show.

963
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,719
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964
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,160
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965
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