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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to work in progress this week, friends, and Happy

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Speaker 1: Earth Day. I know that the world can feel a

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Speaker 1: bit stressful, but also the world, as in our planet,

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Speaker 1: is a pretty magical place. And I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but after watching that Artemis mission and listening to our

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Speaker 1: incredible NASA astronauts talk about what it felt like to

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Speaker 1: be in space and just look back at the oasis

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Speaker 1: of this place that we all live, it made me weepy.

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Speaker 1: It made me feel so inspired, It made me feel

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Speaker 1: so passionate, and so I wanted to mobilize that feeling

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Speaker 1: and gather us for a special Earth Day episode to

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Speaker 1: honor our planet as a real invitation to reconnect and

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Speaker 1: reimagine and get inspired and really be reminded about what

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Speaker 1: tools we have in our toolkit so we can take

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Speaker 1: meaningful action together for this planet we all share. I

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Speaker 1: know that that can feel really tough these days, because

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Speaker 1: climate headlines feel relentless, and everywhere you turn there's a fire,

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Speaker 1: a flood, a blizzard of some sort of crazy extreme weather.

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Speaker 1: It's really easy to swing between urgency and exhaustion. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but sometimes I feel like

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Speaker 1: just putting my head in the sand and having a

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Speaker 1: good cry. I care deeply, but I don't always feel

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Speaker 1: like I know where to put that care first. And

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Speaker 1: that's what made me want to speak to our first

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Speaker 1: guest today. She actually does research on constant vigilance and

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Speaker 1: the toll that that takes on our minds and bodies.

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Speaker 1: And if we're in this for the long game, which hello,

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Speaker 1: I hope we all live a long time, so we

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Speaker 1: better be. We need ways to stay grounded and productive

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Speaker 1: and to remain hopeful and to be engaged in this

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Speaker 1: fight and with each other. And so I decided to

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Speaker 1: ask her and a collection of my own super friends,

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Speaker 1: each with a gift, to help us build a meaningful

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Speaker 1: dare I say, joyful path forward for ourselves and the planet,

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Speaker 1: Because a real change isn't going to be born in

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Speaker 1: burnout friends. It's going to come from clarity and community

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Speaker 1: and action that we take as a collective that we

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Speaker 1: can actually sustain. So first up, we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk with a master storyteller who can help us see

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Speaker 1: our role on this planet and what's going on on

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Speaker 1: it right now, not as a crisis, but as a

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Speaker 1: deeply human, multi generational conversation with a powerful lens on

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Speaker 1: love and family and how curiosity can move us from

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Speaker 1: fear into meaningful action. Let's first dive in with Kelly Corgan.

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Speaker 1: Kelly Corgan is here. I'm so thrilled. Your resume is

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Speaker 1: long and impressive, from New York Times bestseller to podcaster

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Speaker 1: to Ted Talk, give Her to Mom. Something that I

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Speaker 1: really cherish about your work is the way that you

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Speaker 1: speak to us. You make an audience feel included and

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Speaker 1: thought of and seen, and you really remind us that

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Speaker 1: the world that you've spent your life writing about, from

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Speaker 1: the people you love to the moments that matter and

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Speaker 1: how we show up for each other is truly what

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Speaker 1: is at stake right now. And that's a big acknowledgement,

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Speaker 1: But you talk about it in ways that feel hopeful

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Speaker 1: instead of doom and gloom, and I'm curious how you've

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Speaker 1: figured that out, how you've driven your communication direction.

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Speaker 2: It's possible that I am saving my most panicked, infuriated

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Speaker 2: when I'm kind of off the record with my girls,

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Speaker 2: I feel like, at least once a day, I'm like

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Speaker 2: I just can't believe it. I can't believe what's happening.

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Speaker 2: And there's so much to create that sense of disbelief,

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Speaker 2: and there's specificity in it that's so undoing, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's visuals now, so you know, if you're thinking about

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Speaker 2: the climate and you see these visuals of subway stations flooding,

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Speaker 2: like I remember seeing a quick clip of that, I

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Speaker 2: wish I didn't have that visual in my head, Like

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Speaker 2: the details are where I live and I always have have.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, on the plus side, you know, the

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Speaker 2: best sentences I've ever written are the most specific. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's not that my daughter was singing in the shower.

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Speaker 2: It was that she was singing all the single ladies.

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Speaker 2: It's just a different story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: So what I have come to believe is that for

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Speaker 2: every minute that we spend despairing or noting the ways

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Speaker 2: future that may or may not unfold, we should devote

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Speaker 2: as many minutes in a very literal sense, to noting

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Speaker 2: when we are not in pain and when our back

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Speaker 2: in our family we have a rule that if you're

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Speaker 2: feeling happy, you should definitely like slap the table and say,

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Speaker 2: I feel happy right now, because we're so quick to

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Speaker 2: then definitely, in terms of anxiety about the future and

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Speaker 2: imagining the worst case scenario, I do think that it's

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Speaker 2: probably essential to problem solving and forward motion individually and

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Speaker 2: imagining as well. So that's what it looks like if

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Speaker 2: it goes wrong.

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Speaker 3: What would it look like if it goes right? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Would you balance your you know, your visualizations that way?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And what would that unleash because the fact is that

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Speaker 2: you know, as soon as hope disappears, we're sunk because

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Speaker 2: you just people just will not get off the couch.

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Speaker 2: For if you don't believe, say that your vote matters,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have hope that your vote will make,

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Speaker 2: you just won't show up. Of course, and sometimes you

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Speaker 2: the corner and there's a really long line. And I

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Speaker 2: mean that's just ask to people and the engine for

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Speaker 2: all forward motion is hope, so it's really has to

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Speaker 2: be protected. And so I if my sort of upstream

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Speaker 2: process is to try to balance the minutes in both

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Speaker 2: places the place of despair, the place of hope, the

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Speaker 2: place of negativity, the place of positivity, the place of pessimism,

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Speaker 2: the place of optimism. Yeah, you know, like try to

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Speaker 2: get your levels right because both things are actually possible

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Speaker 2: at all moments. Like this is the astonishing thing about

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Speaker 2: balancing your media diet is that there are you know,

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Speaker 2: the negativity cells, so that that will be what's easiest

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Speaker 2: to find, but with just a tiny bit of digging,

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Speaker 2: you could also find the most astonishing equally astonishing stories

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Speaker 2: of somebody doing something for a stranger. Yes, that will

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Speaker 2: sit you straight up. They'll put all the energy back

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Speaker 2: in your body. You'll be ready again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really important, you know too, to

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Speaker 1: consider the fact that what we focus on grows, you know,

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Speaker 1: what we water grows. And it's funny that you brought

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Speaker 1: up that what if it goes wrong? You know, what

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Speaker 1: talk to our friend and scientist Diana Elizabeth Johnson, and

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Speaker 1: that's the premise of her new book, What If We

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Speaker 1: Get It Right, it's designing futures. And what I love

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Speaker 1: is that, really, when you consider art science, the idea

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Speaker 1: point is we can come up with solutions, we can

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Speaker 1: invent things, we can change things. And even when you

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Speaker 1: say you know that, hope is it's so essential to progress.

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Speaker 1: You know, we saw in our last American presidential election

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Speaker 1: you know, last week in Hungary, seventy four percent of

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Speaker 1: dictator after sixteen years. Amazing. We can do this. We

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Speaker 1: just can't. We can't forget our power, and we can't

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Speaker 1: more if we do it together.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, and that I totally agree about the Orbon election.

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Speaker 2: I was fascinated by it. I read all about the guy,

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Speaker 2: I read about what made them break apart. I thought

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Speaker 2: there were so many parallels. There was a corruption story,

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Speaker 2: there was something about pedophilia in there, and there was

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Speaker 2: a better way is unforgivable. And I thought that was thrilling. Actually, yes,

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Speaker 2: that that's what they're demanding. It is a funny thing

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Speaker 2: about voting you it's so I think that the lever

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Speaker 2: that most people don't pull is to change their media diet.

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Speaker 2: So I right now, I've been watching I've been getting

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Speaker 2: and there's something about that that I find kind of helpful.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that it's once removed that

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Speaker 2: it makes me think like a citizen of the world

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Speaker 2: seems to be like more of a historical thread in

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Speaker 2: all of their panel discussions, Like it just feels like

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Speaker 2: turned to a cable news in the US. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: you are what you eat. Yeah, so like pick your like,

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Speaker 2: set your table carefully because there's only so much information

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Speaker 2: fill yourself either way. There's plenty at both buffets. You

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Speaker 2: you're asking for to be infuriated, and that is a

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Speaker 2: paralyzing state, Like fury is not where we want to be.

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Speaker 1: No, because it's to your point, it it just always potential.

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Speaker 1: But something I think is so interesting when you know,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about changing your media diet, whether we're

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Speaker 1: talking about politics or climate science, you know, our planet,

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Speaker 1: the idea that protecting it would be any one country's

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Speaker 1: think about something I've been so touched by, which is

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Speaker 1: the way you speak about how your daughter was really

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Speaker 1: the one who pushed you on climate And when you

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Speaker 1: think about the role of a parent, when you think

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Speaker 1: a no brainer for us to make sure they're eating

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Speaker 1: museums and learning things and reading before bed. And for

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Speaker 1: some reason we don't parent ourselves the way we're willing

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Speaker 1: to parent our children. We get apathetic about the world

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Speaker 1: around us. But when we think about what world our

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Speaker 1: up again. And I'm curious if you think about that,

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Speaker 1: you know, what was it about what she said to

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Speaker 1: you about the planet that was different than what you

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Speaker 1: were reading in your own media diet.

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Speaker 2: I've thought about this a lot about kids as this

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Speaker 2: incredible incentive, because sometimes I fantasize if we're going to

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Speaker 2: stand on climate as an example, I fantasize about, say

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Speaker 2: an oil exec who is making it easier to drill

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Speaker 3: I hate that this is what you do. Yeah, this

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Speaker 3: is your job.

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Speaker 2: Like, I what could have more impact? I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: no there's no more naturally occurring incentive structure than a

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Speaker 2: parent to crave connection with a child.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it's so powerful, it's like the Niagara falls of emotions,

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Speaker 2: and so we should maybe be trying to leverage it.

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Speaker 2: Like I've actually been fantasizing about I just have two daughters.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any sons. Fantasizing about these mother daughter

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Speaker 2: retreats where they we're not doing the talking, They're doing

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Speaker 3: and listen to the guidance that's around us and receive that.

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Speaker 3: When we're in an energy of resistance, we actually deflect opportunities.

436
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: We deflect the growth, we deflect the collaboration, we get

437
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: in the way. I see this all day long. It's

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Speaker 3: a dance between saying, how can I take an action

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00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: and stay out of the way, and so to really

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Speaker 3: answer your question in those moments when you're feeling like

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Speaker 3: you're in despair because of what you're seeing and because

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Speaker 3: how powerless We truly are very powerless in so many

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Speaker 3: of the things that are happening globally. Mentally, we are

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Speaker 3: quite powerless. I mean, no matter how much we do,

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00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: we still have powers that be that are leading us

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00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: in the wrong direction. So that's real, right, So how

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00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 3: do we reconnect to our power? We have to give

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Speaker 3: ourselves a moment to step back and get back into alignment,

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Speaker 3: because the only power we do have is when we're

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Speaker 3: in alignment with our highest self, and that self is calm,

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Speaker 3: and it's courageous and compassionate, clear, creative ideas, it's confident.

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Speaker 3: My training is in a therapy called IFS, Internal Family

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Speaker 3: Systems therapy, and this is what IFS called self. And

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Speaker 3: so particularly those of us who identify leaders in your case,

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Speaker 3: leaders in the environment, or spiritual activists or politicians or

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Speaker 3: people who want to create change, we can't create change

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Speaker 3: from fear and parts of ourselves that are activated. We

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Speaker 3: can only create change from self.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even when you were saying that and

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Speaker 1: you started to list the qualities of self, I literally

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Speaker 1: took a deep breath. That felt so calming to me.

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Speaker 1: Because of course, of course we have to maybe slow

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Speaker 1: down and when something is stressful, instead of feeling overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: and ignoring it, just sit with it and then let

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Speaker 1: the sort of better aspects of ourself, our whole self,

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Speaker 1: marinate on it and think about what to do. And

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Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to, as you said, the

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Speaker 1: change stuff we want to make. You know, one of

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Speaker 1: the things I did, which is not not a self practice,

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Speaker 1: it's not like one of the things I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: be better about, including like wake up and do ten

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Speaker 1: deep breaths instead of immediately look at my phone or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I have an alarm in my calendar set for

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Speaker 1: every Monday at eleven am, and I make my five calls.

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Speaker 1: I call my representatives, I call about the thing that

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Speaker 1: I'm like, don't think we're going to forget. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's an act of

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Speaker 1: self care and community care for me, and it's a

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Speaker 1: good reminder that, yes, me, myself, one human might be

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Speaker 1: pretty powerless in the face of a lot of what's

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Speaker 1: going on in the world. But then you look at

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Speaker 1: something like what just happened in Hungary and you go, well,

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Speaker 1: look at that seventy four percent of people motivated and

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Speaker 1: they changed it. Yes, they did the thing people said

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Speaker 1: they couldn't do and they did it.

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Speaker 3: You're nailing It's there's power numbers in there's power in

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Speaker 3: small right actions, in numbers of people right. So think

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Speaker 3: about what would happen if if if everyone in California

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Speaker 3: was making that call on a Monday, you know those calls.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we can friends at home, you're listening, we

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Speaker 1: can exactly.

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Speaker 3: I think there's power in lots of little right actions.

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Speaker 3: So when we feel overwhelmed or burdened by our powerlessness.

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Speaker 3: We can reactivate our power by taking small, right actions.

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Speaker 3: And so it might feel like, oh, I got to

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Speaker 3: be doing so much overnight, but it's actually there's extraordinary

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Speaker 3: power in that one in those five phone calls that

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Speaker 3: you make on a Monday, or there's extraordinary power in

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Speaker 3: just changing your attitude when you walk into the office,

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Speaker 3: and that recognizing that has a ripple effect or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Whatever those attitude and all or actual actionable changes are,

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Speaker 3: they make a difference on a much broader scale, even

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Speaker 3: made in a small way. So we get our power

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Speaker 3: back when we see it, when we get back into

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Speaker 3: the small steps.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think that the other place that we can get

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Speaker 3: our power back is by staying in a centered nervous system,

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Speaker 3: because what we're experiencing is collective trauma. Right So, right now,

510
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: we've so much access to so much information all at once,

511
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Speaker 3: and you're right, you can see this gorgeous mission and

512
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: be so hopeful and just so elevated, and then seconds

513
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Speaker 3: later see horrible news environment or seed missiles going off

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Speaker 3: in Lebanon or whatever we're seeing, and we can be

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00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: so I think the only word I like to U

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Speaker 3: is really assaulted right, yes, moment by moment and then

517
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: have this sort of this sort of friction between wanting

518
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: to stay informed but also wanting to stay safe. And

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Speaker 3: so that's why having a ritualistic practice of really regulating

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Speaker 3: our nervous system and so really so this is where

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00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: the tools come in sofia. So the same way you'd

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Speaker 3: spend an hour in the gym, spend at least a

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Speaker 3: half hour day doing something that regulates you. And so

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Speaker 3: that could be partially some of it could be in

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Speaker 3: the gym, which is for me definitely, but even simple

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Speaker 3: things like if you relax your tongue to the bottom

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Speaker 3: of your mouth, you start to stimulate the vagus nerve

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Speaker 3: and that starts to regulate the nervous system. Just everyone

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Speaker 3: listening or watch it can just drop their tongue and

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Speaker 3: relax your tongue. You hum just like humming from a

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Speaker 3: belly breath. Just doing a deep belly breath can calm

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Speaker 3: your nervous system. Putting your hand on your heart and

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Speaker 3: your hand on your stomach, this is a hold that

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Speaker 3: can calm your nervous system. Tapping on this like EFT tapping,

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Speaker 3: tapping between the pinky finger and the ring finger just

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Speaker 3: right in that little meaty point of your skin right there,

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Speaker 3: just tapping and saying I'm safe.

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Speaker 4: Safe.

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Speaker 3: These little adjustments, if done for five, six, seven minutes,

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Speaker 3: will calm your nervous system. Then in that jetic state,

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Speaker 3: you show up to dinner differently, you meet your spouse

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Speaker 3: at the door differently, you lead your team differently. It's

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Speaker 3: it's important for us to recognize not just the actions

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Speaker 3: that we take, but the the and the ways that

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Speaker 3: we pollute the planet. To use your language, right, but

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Speaker 3: how we energetically pollute the planet as well. And I'm

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Speaker 3: taking my own everybody's all day long, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: try to take care of my side of the street

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Speaker 3: all day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well then that's just it, right. You have to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to it, because it's not. If this stuff

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00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: came easy, we wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 3: You know, our activism isn't just about what we do

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Speaker 3: in the world out there. It is what we do

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Speaker 3: in here. Because if you're doing the work inside that

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Speaker 3: you're creating a sense of inner safety and steadiness, that's

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00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: going to be able to have a much bigger impact.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for this.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors. I always feel

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Speaker 1: more grounded in my own after I speak to or

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Speaker 1: listen to Kathy Bernstein talk, and feeling grounded makes me

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Speaker 1: feel motivated. It makes me want to get out there.

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Speaker 1: It makes me want to double down on the things

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Speaker 1: that I believe in, including collective action, and that makes

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Speaker 1: me want to ask some questions to one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite women, to go to a march with, organize a

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Speaker 1: petition with, or hit a dance floor in Brooklyn with

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Speaker 1: my friend, doctor Ayanna Elizabeth Johnson. She has spent her

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Speaker 1: career at the intersection of science, policy and storytelling, driven

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Speaker 1: by a deep belief that the future of our planet

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Speaker 1: is absolutely still ours to shape. And when she gives

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Speaker 1: me a hopeful version of the future as a literal

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Speaker 1: expert and a marine biologist, I feel like solutions are possible,

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Speaker 1: and Ion is encouraging us all to remember, or perhaps

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Speaker 1: realize for the first time, that the most powerful climate

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00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: solution isn't necessarily something new, it's what we actually choose

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Speaker 1: to do. Her new book, What If We Get It Right,

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Speaker 1: is asking us questions about how we're going to design

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal future together. Hi, Hi, I am so happy

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Speaker 1: you're here.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad we could like synchronize watches and be here.

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Speaker 1: I just need to say how fun and cool it

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Speaker 1: is for me to have multiple books that a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine has written be New York Times bestsellers and

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00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 1: have been in my home library. I'm just like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I've really nailed it in my life.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to be judged by the

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Speaker 4: people you surround yourself with, you're doing a pretty good job.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited you're here. I'm really excited to be

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Speaker 1: having some time with people that I adore both personally

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Speaker 1: and in the way they move in the world, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like, obviously we're in a crazy moment for

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00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: the ways our planet is at risk, but I also

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Speaker 1: feel like so much of the conversation about that stuff

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00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: is doom and gloom, and you're one of the people

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Speaker 1: who keeps me feeling really hopeful about it. And your

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00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: hopefulness is rooted in research, so it's real. It's not

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Speaker 1: like a fantasy, and I think people need that. So

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Speaker 1: just thanks for showing up to bring a little planetary joy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the planet brings the joy. I'm just like

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: witnessing it and being like, hey, guys over here, like plants, photosynthesis, magic.

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00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: We appreciate this, like rainbows and octopuses and lightning bugs

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Speaker 4: and the Aurora borealis, like these are things that.

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Speaker 1: Exist here just to look at and only here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was something I had. I had some real planetary

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Speaker 1: joy and emotion watching Artemis, I think, as we all did.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that was so surreal to

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Speaker 1: come out of it. You know, when the astronauts were

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Speaker 1: talking about what it feels like to look back at Earth,

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Speaker 1: to look back at the oasis that it is out

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Speaker 1: there in space, someone brought up something online which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you knew, but I had never heard phrase this way,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, here on Earth we think of

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Speaker 1: certain things as rare and valuable, like diamonds, and actually

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Speaker 1: there are other planets in the Solar System where diamonds

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Speaker 1: literally rain down from the sky constantly, but we are

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Speaker 1: the only planet with trees, and that trees are this magical,

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Speaker 1: I mean once in a galaxy thing, and it really

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Speaker 1: it made me feel so geeked about today.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it makes me feel proud to be a

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Speaker 4: tree hugger, you know, Yeah, like they deserve it, They're

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Speaker 4: worth it.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about how you

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Speaker 1: decided to make joyful science the of the way you

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Speaker 1: talk about climate. You know, your book is called what

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Speaker 1: If We Get It Right? It's literally an antidote to hopelessness?

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Speaker 1: So how did you figure that out? What is getting

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Speaker 1: it right?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: So I love the way that you frame this question.

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Speaker 4: I think it's not like it was a choice to me,

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Speaker 4: Like you approach things through your personality, and you and

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Speaker 4: I basically like met on a dance floor, right, So

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00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 4: like there's this sense of like how how we live

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Speaker 4: the rest of our lives can also just be like

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Speaker 4: how we do our work. I feel like I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: much the same person in all contexts, which is why

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Speaker 4: I'm throwing climate dance parties as my paperback tour. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: we need to boogie, Like the world is a mass,

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Speaker 4: We need to blove some scene. We need to meet

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Speaker 4: each other. We need to like network with the local

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Speaker 4: organizations who are doing it. We need to figure out

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Speaker 4: like who cares about the same climate solutions and have

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Speaker 4: that be the thing that brings us together. So if

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Speaker 4: anyone listening feels like that's the thing that they need,

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Speaker 4: will be at like the Monterey Bay Aquarium, the Libria

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Speaker 4: Tarpits and American Museum, natur History Book and Botanic Garden,

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Speaker 4: the wolf Neck Center in Maine, San Diego's Birch Aquarium

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Speaker 4: with DJs for Climate Action, a literal nonprofit organizations, just like,

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Speaker 4: how do we sure like not just fine, but hold

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Speaker 4: on to and celebrate together the work that we've done anticipatorily,

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Speaker 4: I guess the work we're going to do, but really

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Speaker 4: the celebration for me is that we have the climate

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Speaker 4: solutions we need. Like, that's what makes it so easy

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Speaker 4: to be excited about this work.

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Speaker 1: It's the most exciting thing to hear because I think

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Speaker 1: there's a real concerted effort by people or groups that

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Speaker 1: make lots of money not fixing this to say like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's too big a problem. It's I mean, it's the

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Speaker 1: whole planet. What are you going to do? We can't

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Speaker 1: change this. And when you say we already have all

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Speaker 1: the solutions, we just have to implement them, can you

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Speaker 1: give us like a partial Laundery list of what that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's obviously plenty of room for more innovation. Yeah,

667
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Speaker 4: you know, air travel is one of those things for sure.

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Speaker 4: We haven't gotten that fully figured out yet. But when

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Speaker 4: it comes to most other forms of transportation, we know

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Speaker 4: how to decarbonize. That same for greening buildings, the same

671
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Speaker 4: for improving agriculture, the same for just the transition to

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Speaker 4: clean energy. Like we have solar and wind and geothermal

673
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Speaker 4: and nuclear, and like, we have all of these other options,

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Speaker 4: and we know how to protect and restore ecosystems, which

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Speaker 4: is a huge part of the solution. Like, it's not

676
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Speaker 4: as complicated as I think people make it out to be.

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Speaker 4: It really is a challenge of as you well know,

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Speaker 4: political will. The power of corporate lobbying, especially the fossil

679
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Speaker 4: fuel lobby, is incredibly powerful. They're just dumping so much

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Speaker 4: money into our elections that makes it really hard. But

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Speaker 4: we're seeing all over the ease all these examples of

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Speaker 4: people being like, actually there's a better way, right. Actually,

683
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Speaker 4: green roofs are really a lovely thing to have. You know,

684
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Speaker 4: electric cars are actually better cars. Induction stoves are great. Right,

685
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Speaker 4: Protecting and restoring our wetlands is just a wonderful thing

686
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Speaker 4: to do. We support biodiversity and protect our coastlines from

687
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Speaker 4: storms and absorb all this carbon. Right, there's all of

688
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Speaker 4: these incredible win win situations that I think more and

689
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Speaker 4: more people are learning about. I mean, biking is nicer

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Speaker 4: than being stuck in traffic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there's all of these opportunities that we have to

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Speaker 4: just improve our quality of life while improving the future

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Speaker 4: potential for living on this planet. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me too when you start thinking about

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Speaker 1: how the sort of moral of the story save the

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Speaker 1: Earth meets the math at this point, you know, we

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Speaker 1: have cheaper, cleaner energy already. Solar is literally the cheapest

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Speaker 1: form of electricity in history. It's creating all kinds of jobs.

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Speaker 1: There are great jobs, you know, people don't have to

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Speaker 1: go down into coal mines and die.

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Speaker 4: There are more jobs in solar than coal in America.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and like safe jobs, which I think people deserve.

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Speaker 1: I think that's sort of the part of through history,

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Speaker 1: that's what we're supposed to be doing, doing better year

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Speaker 1: over year, and so it's I think it's important to

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Speaker 1: remind people that all the solutions that cut pollution are

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Speaker 1: also the ones that save people money.

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Speaker 6: M hm.

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Speaker 4: Overall the clean energy, the economics of it now pencil

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Speaker 4: out that it's cheaper and with batteries it's actually just

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Speaker 4: as reliable because we can store it when there's extra

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Speaker 4: and use it later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the examples around that that

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Speaker 4: always sticks with me is Texas is actually the state

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Speaker 4: with the most solar and wind. Texas and Iowa and

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Speaker 4: California are the top three.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And it's not because there's a bunch of like hippies

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Speaker 4: in Texas. Yeah, you know there are some, but like,

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Speaker 4: it's because it's profitable, right.

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Speaker 1: And it works and it works and it works. And

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Speaker 1: now a word from our sponsors who make this show possible.

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Speaker 1: So something I really like obviously, you know, I love

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Speaker 1: a data set and I like to be able to

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Speaker 1: have created for our friends at home a VEN diagram

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Speaker 1: that explains how this all works. Because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think, if we're going to fix the climate save

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Speaker 1: the planet, it's got to be some big, crazy, radical

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Speaker 1: change and maybe it's going to mess up their day

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Speaker 1: to day life. And then you break down for everyone

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Speaker 1: where people can actually fit these changes and how their

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Speaker 1: VEN diagrams will work. So can you can you kind

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Speaker 1: of walk us through how'd you figure it out and

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Speaker 1: what does it look like?

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Speaker 4: So basically, if you imagine even diagram with three circles.

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Speaker 4: The first one is what are you good at? What

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Speaker 4: are the skills, the resources, the networks that you can

741
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Speaker 4: bring to the table, right, And that's different for everybody.

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Speaker 4: I think that's really important because so often when we

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Speaker 4: are when people are talking to us about what we

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Speaker 4: can do to help with the climate crisis, it's the

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Speaker 4: same generical list for everybody. And those are things you

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Speaker 4: should do. Right. You should vote for candidates you get it.

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Speaker 4: You should donate to organizations working on it. You should

748
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Speaker 4: move your all of your investments out of fossil fuels, right.

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Speaker 4: You should absolutely, you know, reduce your waste, eat a

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Speaker 4: plant based diet, you know, think about your travel, all

751
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Speaker 4: of those things. Protests spread the word. But if that's

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Speaker 4: all we're doing is the generical list, we're not leveraging

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Speaker 4: our superpowers, right, the special things that each of us

754
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 4: can contribute. And so figuring out like this, the specific

755
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Speaker 4: answer for you of what are you good at? Is important.

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Speaker 4: And then the second circle is what work needs doing.

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00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 4: So there are hundreds of climate and justice solutions, and

758
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Speaker 4: if people need inspiration on these, I suggest going to

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Speaker 4: draw down dot org. This incredible nonprofit project draw Down

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Speaker 4: has all the nerdy data sets your heart can desire,

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Speaker 4: all the scientific foundations, but also is this like very

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Speaker 4: cool explorer for just exploring this great interface for exploring

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Speaker 4: all the solutions we already have and perhaps some warnings

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Speaker 4: about the things that the chech bros Are telling us

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Speaker 4: are the solutions that are like not really proven. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but I find that to be so so bolstering just

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Speaker 4: going there and like seeing all these things we have

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Speaker 4: at our fingertips already. And then the third circle is

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Speaker 4: what brings you joy? So what what are their sources

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Speaker 4: of satisfaction and delight? And so for example, for me,

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Speaker 4: as a marine biologist who is a policy nerd and

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Speaker 4: a Brooklyn native who's obsessed with design, I was really

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Speaker 4: thinking about what are the risks for coastal cities? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and so the problem that I wanted to work on

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Speaker 4: was how do we help coastal cities adapt to the

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Speaker 4: impacts of climate change. It's like one in eight Americans

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Speaker 4: live in a coastal city and we are not prepared.

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Speaker 4: And what brings me joy is changing the rules of

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Speaker 4: the game, changing policy, good design implementation, collaborating with cool

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Speaker 4: people across disciplines, and so I ended up co founding

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Speaker 4: Urban Ocean Lab, this policy think tank for the future

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Speaker 4: of coastal cities. Now, obviously that's different than what you

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Speaker 4: should be doing to able address the climate crisis. That's

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Speaker 4: like my bespoke solution. But if people want some help

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Speaker 4: thinking through their own climate ven diagrams, you know, there's

786
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Speaker 4: a website get it right dot earth with all that information.

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Speaker 4: I gave a Ted talk about this called Finding Joy

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Speaker 4: Climate Action, so you can get some support thinking through that.

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Speaker 4: But of course we need you know, teachers and graphic

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Speaker 4: designers and artists and musicians and lawyers and policy wonks

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Speaker 4: and accountants like we need everybody bringing their skills. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: in addition to the more technical things we think of,

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Speaker 4: like the engineers and electricians.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. I mean that circles us back

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Speaker 1: as well when you said, you know, the third bubble

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Speaker 1: is what brings you joy, and you said near the

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Speaker 1: top of the conversation, your book tour is also a

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Speaker 1: series of climate dance parties. So incredibly sick that there

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Speaker 1: is a whole group of DJs showing up for climate justice.

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Speaker 1: Obviously these are our people. I'm also just thinking as

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Speaker 1: you're talking that the og whipsmarties listening are like we

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Speaker 1: remember this. We've signed up for Urban Oceanlab emails Like

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Speaker 1: it makes me really really happy when I think about

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Speaker 1: season one of this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, those twenty twenty right like.

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Speaker 1: Right before the world shut down? Can you even believe?

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Speaker 1: But I just think about the joy piece and then

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Speaker 1: I think about how you're implementing it in your way?

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Speaker 1: What is the goal From that part.

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Speaker 4: We're bringing in local nonprofits at in each city that

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Speaker 4: do work people can get involved with, not just be

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Speaker 4: aware of or donate to, but actually like roll up

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Speaker 4: their sleeves and volunteer with. So they'll be spreading the

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Speaker 4: word about what they're working on. The name tags will

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Speaker 4: say my favorite climate solution is instead of my name is.

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Speaker 4: Because the idea is that people will be connecting around

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Speaker 4: like what they're interested in. So if you'r says composting,

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Speaker 4: I'll be like Sophia to talk to me about composting,

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Speaker 4: like can we team up? Like which neighborhood are you in?

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Speaker 4: Like what have you learned from doing it that I

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Speaker 4: could maybe take to my neighborhood? Right, So the idea

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Speaker 4: is I don't live in all these places. The I

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Speaker 4: is to bring people together who really care about the

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Speaker 4: future of life on this planet and figure out how

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Speaker 4: to connect them in a way that's lighthearted and solution focused.

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Speaker 4: There's also a costume competition you can dress as your

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Speaker 4: favorite climate solution that really prizes to further this idea

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Speaker 4: of like maybe you'll meet your climate bestie on the

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Speaker 4: dance floor just by seeing from across the room that

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Speaker 4: they're somehow dressed as a bike line. Ye who knows, right,

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Speaker 4: Maybe some new romances will spark up or interests and

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Speaker 4: climate solutions. This is like my actual dream for this

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Speaker 4: paperback tour, but makes its like we need to stop

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Speaker 4: taking ourselves so seriously. We can take climate change seriously

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Speaker 4: without being self serious. And I feel like, yes, the

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Speaker 4: environmental movement, for very good reasons has been like you guys,

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Speaker 4: wake up, like this is bad, Like ah, you know,

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Speaker 4: and it's all true the science back up that statement,

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Speaker 4: but it's not necessarily the most welcoming or the most

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Speaker 4: durable long term vibe, right, So I'm really interested in

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Speaker 4: sort of balancing that with the focus on solutions, the

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Speaker 4: what if we get it right. The subtitle of the

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Speaker 4: book is Visions of climate futures, and I just want

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Speaker 4: people to think about what the future could look like

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Speaker 4: if we get it right. I mean, another one of

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Speaker 4: my favorite what if questions is, you know, what if

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Speaker 4: we act as if we love the future that look like,

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Speaker 4: how would that change our decision making? If that were

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Speaker 4: the lens through which we saw these opportunities, these options

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Speaker 4: and what if climate solutions are beautiful because they could

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Speaker 4: be Like, we're designing all this stuff And a stat

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Speaker 4: that I learned while researching the book is that seventy

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Speaker 4: five percent of the infrastructure that will exist in twenty

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Speaker 4: fifty has yet to be built. So every day we're

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Speaker 4: building the future that we live in. And so there's

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Speaker 4: this really interesting opportunity for architects, landscape designers, beauty infrastructure

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Speaker 4: people to just like build a world that's adapted to

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Speaker 4: the changes that are already here, the ones we know

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Speaker 4: that are coming, and yeah, and figure out what getting

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Speaker 4: it right could look like.

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Speaker 1: Like we just we don't give up.

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Speaker 4: We don't get to quit. No quitters allowed.

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Speaker 1: Never, We're not quitters over here, no, ma'am. We're yes

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Speaker 1: Anders and we're dance party goers.

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Speaker 4: There you have it. Yeah, I hope to see this

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Speaker 4: podcast crew on the dance floor, and people want to

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Speaker 4: know when all that stuff is happening. Get it right.

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Speaker 4: Dot Earth is the website slash for There's also excerpts

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Speaker 4: from the book you can read for free. The playlist

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Speaker 4: is there. There's tons of like just good free to

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Speaker 4: the world info that can point us toward a better

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Speaker 4: future and help us imagine the role that each of

873
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Speaker 4: us could play in that. I think that's what's been missing.

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Speaker 4: It's not been like this is for everyone. There's a

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Speaker 4: place for you in this transformation.

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Speaker 1: I love that there's a place for us all. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for bringing us some joy today. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to offline you about what of your

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Speaker 1: parties I can come to.

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Speaker 4: I'll see you on the dance floor hots.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait, do it. And now a word from

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Speaker 1: our sponsors that I really enjoy and I think you

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Speaker 1: will too. Ayana makes me feel so amped for what

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Speaker 1: we can do as a great, big human team, and

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Speaker 1: I am equally amped to see the images that you

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Speaker 1: all send to us at the podcast of the dance

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Speaker 1: Please send those our way. We can't wait to hear

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Speaker 1: how it goes and what actions you all get inspired

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Speaker 1: to take in your own communities. Somebody who's an expert

891
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Speaker 1: on action and how it's actually rooted in hope and

892
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Speaker 1: in goodness and yes, in love is our friend John Marshall.

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Speaker 1: He is the CEO of the Potential Energy Coalition. They

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Speaker 1: are a nonpartisan, communications driven nonprofit that is shaping the

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Speaker 1: global narrative on climate change. And that might sound a

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Speaker 1: little heady, so let me tell you how I became

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Speaker 1: a fan of John and then made him a friend.

898
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Speaker 1: I discovered that a leading ad executive him was prompted

899
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Speaker 1: by his son to take on the planet like it

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Speaker 1: was a paying client of an advertising agency. And John

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Speaker 1: realized the planet is really the thing that he leaves

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Speaker 1: to his children and all children, and so he's done

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Speaker 1: just that. He is giving us the research to back

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Speaker 1: up our feelings, and he's finding that the path forward

905
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Speaker 1: is actually filled with hope and love, and it thrills

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Speaker 1: me in a way I cannot explain. So I asked

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Speaker 1: him to join us today to round out this conversation

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Speaker 1: and give us a little bit of the inside baseball.

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Speaker 1: What are the conversations we should be having about climate

910
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Speaker 1: that actually make a difference, whether it's at home, in

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Speaker 1: the office, around the water cooler. I wanted to ask

912
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Speaker 1: an expert, and thankfully John said he'd take the call.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive in with John Marshall. John, thank you so

914
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Speaker 1: much for joining us today and for being part of

915
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Speaker 1: our big Earth Day bonanza. You're on work in progress.

916
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Speaker 1: I so love the work that you do at PEC.

917
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Speaker 1: I so appreciate the fact that you were inspired in

918
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Speaker 1: the first place to do this because of a conversation

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Speaker 1: you had, not at work, but at home. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about how a fire was

921
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Speaker 1: lit for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy to.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to.

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Speaker 1: And the and the potential energy coalition really came out

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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 6: That's great. Well, Yeah, I had a thirty year career

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Speaker 6: as a marketing and advertising executive, and so I was

928
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Speaker 6: selling soap and shampoo and credit cards Americans for a.

929
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Speaker 1: Long time, and I had it.

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Speaker 6: My kid took a course on climate change, learned about it,

931
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Speaker 6: came home one day and said, Dad, I'm locking you

932
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Speaker 6: in the house and I want you to do something

933
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Speaker 6: about it. So he called me a useless idiot for

934
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Speaker 6: for focusing on the wrong stuff. So that, Yeah, that

935
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Speaker 6: was actually the conversation that that caused potential energy to

936
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Speaker 6: be born. And we sort of think of ourselves, as

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Speaker 6: I would say, for lack of a better term, the

938
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Speaker 6: marketing firm for Planet Earth, like we have one client,

939
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Speaker 6: which is which is the which is the Earth. Then

940
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Speaker 6: we're trying to figure out how to use all those

941
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Speaker 6: techniques from the Madison Avenue types to get you know,

942
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Speaker 6: to get people up and moving on climate change. So that, yeah,

943
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Speaker 6: that all happened from my seventeen year.

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Speaker 3: Old son, Henry.

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Speaker 1: I love that so much. And you know it's interesting

946
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Speaker 1: because you're what you're doing. As funny and charming as

947
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Speaker 1: the story is, you're really drilling down on a point

948
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Speaker 1: that I think is so important for all of us

949
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Speaker 1: to make and frankly shout from the rooftops, which is,

950
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Speaker 1: no matter what we think, what we believe, what we

951
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: have faith in, how we vote, what we argue about

952
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: at home with our families, like the planet is the

953
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Speaker 1: number one thing that we all have in common, and

954
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Speaker 1: it should be the thing, you know, we take care

955
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Speaker 1: of the most. And yet a lot of people, to

956
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Speaker 1: your point, have spent an awful lot of money prioritizing clients,

957
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, big polluters, et cetera. And they've really muddied

958
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Speaker 1: the waters on messaging. And we all know that it's

959
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Speaker 1: really easy to start having a conversation about I don't know,

960
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: disaster flooding or superstorms or climate change, and everyone's eyes

961
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: glaze over and they're just kind of like, Oh God,

962
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Speaker 1: the problem's too big, it's too intense. Everybody fights about it.

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Speaker 1: I think we can flip that script.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you a little story that gives me optimism

965
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Speaker 6: here on Earth Day. So you know this, like the

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Speaker 6: big debate that a lot of people have is, oh,

967
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Speaker 6: the we did the fear versus hope or the problem solution?

968
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Speaker 6: And so we did we did the like a massive

969
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Speaker 6: amount of research to figure out like, should you be

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Speaker 6: you know, what's the emotion right you should really be

971
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Speaker 6: appealing to So you're having a conversation with your spouse

972
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Speaker 6: or your kids or your uncle or whatever, and should

973
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Speaker 6: I tell them the truth about what's happening but that's

974
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 6: pretty scary, or should I sell them on this amazing

975
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Speaker 6: optimistic future. Turns out that neither seems to be the emotion.

976
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Speaker 6: So after like terabytes of data and all this analysis,

977
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Speaker 6: and all this like marketing tools. The thing that the

978
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 6: word that matters the most is actually love. And so

979
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 6: the thing that always wins in the message testing is

980
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Speaker 6: this one little phrase protect what you love, whether the

981
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Speaker 6: land you love or the kids you love, or the

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Speaker 6: ski hill you love or the and so, and that

983
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Speaker 6: kind of activates something deeper that we all share. And yes,

984
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Speaker 6: those things are threatened, but those things are worth it.

985
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Speaker 6: And so I think the key thing on this is

986
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Speaker 6: to find whoever you're talking to, like, what do they

987
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 6: care about what I love? And talk about that and

988
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 6: say this is worth protecting. And that's that works equally

989
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 6: well whether you're whether you're from the far right or

990
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Speaker 6: the far left, we all agree we need to protect

991
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Speaker 6: what we love. And so I like the idea that

992
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 6: loves actually the answer on this one, and it's nice

993
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 6: to prove it analytically and so and that's that's all

994
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 6: got me started my git. I love my kid and

995
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Speaker 6: so I said, I half the time.

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Speaker 1: Totally, Well, you know what you're talking about, and this

997
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: is something I speak to people about a lot. So'll

998
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: ask me, you know, why are you so passionate about activism?

999
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: And why are you so passionate about community organizing. For me,

1000
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: these issues are where the math and the morals meet. Yeah,

1001
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: when we protect what we love, our families, our environments.

1002
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: Polar bears and they're adorable little cubs. Everyone loves those videos.

1003
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: We all know they track well, like yeah, yeah, it

1004
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: breaks through the noise, you know, even when I think

1005
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: about layering on not just what you love or not

1006
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: just what you know to be the right you know,

1007
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: moral decision, which you know, like issues of protecting the

1008
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: environment actually turn out to be great financial decisions as well.

1009
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Speaker 1: They lower costs, they create jobs.

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Speaker 6: The world's giving us a lot of good, good reasons

1011
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 6: to care about climate change. The prices, the price of

1012
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 6: the pump, energy and security, the insurance costs that are

1013
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 6: going up because of extreme weather, like a lot of

1014
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 6: Americans are seeing twenty to thirty percent increases. So we're

1015
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 6: just we have so many kitchen table reasons to care

1016
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 6: about this issue, and so we don't need to go

1017
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Speaker 6: to the complicated distant future economic concepts all that kind

1018
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Speaker 6: of stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's right, there's so much stuff that we.

1020
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 6: Should be using that actually people really care about.

1021
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Speaker 3: Like I like skiing, and.

1022
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Speaker 6: We had a rough winner, you know, color there's a

1023
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 6: lot to talk about here.

1024
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Speaker 1: And we try to create a ski trip for my

1025
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: family this winter and we couldn't go. It was rough.

1026
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Speaker 6: So those are your climate conversation moments. It's on the

1027
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Speaker 6: ski lift. Yeah, you know, by why didn't I just

1028
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 6: you know, ski over a bunch of rocks?

1029
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: It's actually because of a pollution blanket.

1030
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Speaker 1: You're right, it's our recreation to work. It's everything. So

1031
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: when we're giving people the toolkit for positive conversation, when

1032
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: we're giving them the hope that their feelings are backed

1033
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: up by the numbers, where do they go next? Where

1034
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: would you point a listener right now, as we wrap

1035
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: up this big conversation and they're saying, I'm inspired, I

1036
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: want to get involved, where do you send them first

1037
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: to make sure they take the next right step?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Well we I mean, I think your point about people

1040
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 6: feeling alone is a really important point, and people don't.

1041
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 6: We're not talking about it enough. Would be the first thing.

1042
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 6: You know, we did a globbost eighty seven percent of

1043
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 6: people in twenty three countries. Won't We say the government

1044
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 6: should do whatever it takes to address the trauma. So

1045
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 6: people do care. And so I think the first thing

1046
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 6: is is to let people know that people like you

1047
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 6: care a lot about this issue. You know, whether they're

1048
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 6: you know, school teachers or moms or farmers or whatever,

1049
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 6: people really do care about this. Secondly, that it's addressable

1050
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 6: and it solves a lot of your problems. There's solves

1051
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 6: a lot of problems with air quality with you know,

1052
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 6: with your insurance bills, with your air conditioning bills, with

1053
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 6: you know, with your gas bills, like all of those

1054
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 6: things get solved by this, and you need to get

1055
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 6: active in your community. I do think we kind of

1056
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 6: blew it with the sort of concept of global warming

1057
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 6: now and understood what it was, and it's actually kind

1058
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 6: of confusing, and people want local like talk about Texas.

1059
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 6: You know, what are we doing in our town in Texas?

1060
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Speaker 6: You know which is awesome? Texas out of forty two

1061
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 6: percent growth and sorry solar last year. So all of

1062
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Speaker 6: these there are all these awesome success stories. Yeah, California

1063
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 6: had a whole bunch of days where the where energy

1064
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 6: was solely provided by by clean energy. And so I

1065
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 6: think talking about those success stories saying this way ways

1066
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 6: to get involve the things you can do, like solar

1067
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Speaker 6: is growing like you know, like crazy especially plug and

1068
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Speaker 6: solar and rooftop solar, and so I think, I think

1069
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Speaker 6: talking about the fact that we're making progress like in

1070
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 6: our town, in our community, in our county, in our state,

1071
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 6: getting out of that global complexity that people like me have,

1072
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Speaker 6: you know, been wrestling with a little bit and getting local,

1073
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 6: getting real, talking about consequences and you know, sort of

1074
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 6: landing in it and it really works, and be confident

1075
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 6: to talk about it like it's not that polarizing in

1076
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 6: our in our data, conservatives move just.

1077
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Speaker 3: As much as liberals used to do it the right way.

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Speaker 6: You can't get to you can't you know, you don't

1079
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 6: have to get political. You can just it's a human issue.

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Speaker 6: I love the phrase it's not political because as soon

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Speaker 6: as you say it, it becomes not political, right, even

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Speaker 6: though you know this political dimension. So it's it's it's

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Speaker 6: going to swing back. I mean, clean energy is on

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Speaker 6: the rise. You know, Texas is the leader and win.

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Speaker 6: There's just so many you think you could start to

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Speaker 6: tell on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know what I love about that is

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Speaker 1: it really pierces the veil that we don't all need.

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Speaker 1: You'd want or believe in the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: you just compared California and Texas on their green energy.

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Speaker 1: I love that. What that what that says to me

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Speaker 1: again is that we we are in fact not just

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Speaker 1: protecting but investing in what we love, which is our communities.

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Speaker 1: And we can do it locally, and we can do

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Speaker 1: it nationally, and we can do it globally. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's great advice to remind people to get

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Speaker 1: involved where they live first. That's a that's a good first,

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Speaker 1: next right step.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is awesome, So glad to be with you.

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Speaker 6: My takeaway for your listeners is, don't be shy. This

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Speaker 6: is an importantness. People care about it. Talk about what

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Speaker 6: you love and put yourself out there and be personal,

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Speaker 6: be human, be real and thank you.

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Speaker 3: This is this is great to be to be here.

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Speaker 1: Always good to be with you. John. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us on the pod, Thanks for all the organizing that

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Speaker 1: you're doing, and you know for for our listeners at home.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, you know what what John is

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Speaker 1: doing as a as a public good service. What what

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Speaker 1: you guys at Potential Energy Coalition and are providing the

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Speaker 1: rest of us with the just the lift and the

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Speaker 1: assistance to bring you know, some joy and also to

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Speaker 1: have great research in the center of this advocacy work

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Speaker 1: really is meaningful. So thank you for what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you to your kid for giving you

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Speaker 1: a kick in the ass so you can give it

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Speaker 1: to all of us. Thank sure he listens. Thanks Sophia.

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you, John. Happy Earth Day.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for joining us on our

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Speaker 1: round robin of Earth Day Conversations. I love making this

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Speaker 1: podcast for all of you. I love gathering people together

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Speaker 1: in community to learn from each other, listen to each other,

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Speaker 1: be inspired by each other. And after speaking to this

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Speaker 1: gaggle of incredible thought leaders and experts, I feel inspired

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Speaker 1: to take action for you, for me, for the planet too.

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Speaker 1: I feel inspired about the future, and I think we

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Speaker 1: all needed a dose of that. So if you want

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Speaker 1: to join us, we have so many resources in the

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Speaker 1: show notes for you this week. You can find books

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Speaker 1: and articles and places to take action and things to

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Speaker 1: sign up for, so please make sure you check them out.

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Speaker 1: We love you, we love our planet, and we love

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Speaker 1: doing really really rad learning and activism with all of you.

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Speaker 1: I hope you all have a beautiful Earth Day. Let's remember,

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Speaker 1: in fact, every day should be Earth Day. We're so

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Speaker 1: lucky to live on this little oasis we call home.

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Speaker 1: See you guys next week.