WEBVTT - Ep 95: Tim Burgess 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.760 So I just grabbed a pen and walked over and 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.040 asked him for good zhotograph, and he said, if I fucking. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.280 Must, we will find out who Tim Burgess is talking 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.560 about in the course of this episode of Midnight Chat's 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.079 Number ninety five. Thank you for listening. My name is 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.160 Stuart Stubbs. I am tonight's host. It was Greg's turn 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.720 last week when he spoke to idols. This week is 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.360 myself and Tim Burgess, who you will know as the 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.880 lead singer of the Charlatans as well as a solo 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.560 musician in his own right, or maybe you know Tim 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.319 Burgess as that Twitter guy. 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This is Midnight Chat with 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:11.560 Tim Burgess. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:18.560 I've only been to London once since since Lockdown Agown 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.600 and that was last week, but I was, you know, 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.040 kind of it wasn't really for a length of time. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.799 So I fan spending spending a day in the city, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.480 which is you know, quite a neat well not a 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.840 new thing for you know, definitely a thing for me 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:35.480 these days. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.560 So you're out in Norfolk, right in Norfolk? 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.600 Yeah, it's kind of a small village near the sea, 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.640 but in kind of wooded kind of area. So it's 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.080 sounds really a lot. It's amazing, but. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.360 I do make it sound good, but you've you've been 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.079 there a long time. This is the thing? Is it like? 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.560 It doesn't in a weird way, the whole lockdown thing. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.120 It just like levels everything, doesn't it even if you 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.239 live in paradise. Yeah, lockdown has just made everybody sick 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:05.919 of where they are. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.560 Yeah, right, yeah, I think I don't think I could 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.880 have been anywhere better. It's it was a fine place 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:16.040 to spend lockdown, but I'm excited to be in London. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.440 Did you deal with the situation, well, generally speaking, the 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.560 lockdown thing, Yeah, I think it did. You've got through it. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.200 Oh yeah, I've had moments, you know, I think, but 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:27.519 I feel very very lucky. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.440 What's the thing that you missed. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.240 Things that I missed. Well, I realized that I'm I 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:42.000 really like spending time with people, sharing, sharing things, and 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.960 so I missed that. I also realized that I really 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.920 missed the gym, and I got because I go to 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.120 the gym pretty much every day, and that's where I 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.280 listen to music, and it's I do the same thing. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.040 It's like forty five minutes on the treadmill with some 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:02.040 headphones on. That's it, okay, right, no more, no less, right, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.960 and then I get to go about my day, which 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:10.640 is usually involves playing records, writing songs, and doing just 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.400 doing things revolved around you know what I've always wanted 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.520 to do, which is like making music and listening to music. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.520 So how long have you been a gym guy? 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:25.040 I've been a gym guy for about well since Los 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.160 Angeles got me into being a gym guy, because it 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.479 was it was the alternative to the lifestyle that I 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.560 was leading before the gym, the complete opposite. Because you 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.400 lived in LA for like about thirteen year yeah yeah, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.640 twelve years yeah wow, and that's from like what years 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:43.520 are we talking for that? So ninety eight until twenty ten? 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.600 Wow, it's a stint. Yeah, how how did you. I mean, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.360 obviously you liked Obviously you liked it. Oh yay, that long. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.479 I liked it. I liked it more than probably any 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.920 other place that I've ever lived. But with that we're 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.400 sort of like, you know, things that I didn't make 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.200 it very easy. For the bar and being in a 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:09.240 band from the UK, I I enjoyed myself maybe a 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.880 little too much in some for for a while. But 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.320 you know, it was the place that kept me. It 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.040 was the actual place that kept me there because I 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:20.760 love it so much. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.240 You know, what was it that made you want to 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:23.800 move there? 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:29.599 I've been going to this one part of Los Angeles 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.080 and it was it was It's Hollywood and it's by 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.480 the Capitol Records Building, and there's some bars there and 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.520 some you know, cinemas and places, you know, and I've 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.280 kind of found like a center and I'd been gravitating 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.200 towards it since ninety two and we played, you know, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.200 we played some big shows there and always went to 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.359 after parties in this place called the Cat and Fiddle, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:57.279 which is like an English pub in the count Boulevard. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.040 And so with the show, Allison's telling stories that come 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.039 out Robert died, it was a big thing, lots of 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.159 changes happening, and in my head, I just felt like 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:14.080 I felt like that was you know, just needed I 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:20.560 needed to just deal with what I was going to 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.640 do with my life. I felt, you know, at the time, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.240 so a big I needed a big move after it's 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.440 such a big event of Rob's death. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.919 Is it quite? This is just something I've always wondered 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.200 when people moved to and like musicians moved to LA. Yeah, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.640 is it an easy thing to do in the sense of, 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.560 you know, if I wanted to move to l A, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.120 I don't know, like, you know, the green card thing 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.560 and all of that. When you're a musician, do you 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.560 kind of get is there an easier way in when 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:52.640 you're working within entertainment and then you're an entertainment Well. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.280 Yeah, I mean I just went there and fell in 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:02.960 with some friends and I got an apartment and I 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.400 didn't have a green card, but just kind of like 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.760 I kept going for appointments for green cards and things 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:18.080 like that, and appointments and I actually went for I 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:24.960 actually went to get a citizenship the day that I 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.720 actually left LA because I'd got finally got around to it. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.800 I thought, you know, I'm going to try and get 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.640 a citizenship. Just before I get on the plane home 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:34.800 and I went. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.200 For my past the test. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.000 But I had not spent enough time in LA because 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.160 you know, I had to do lots of work with 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:43.560 the band and go on tour and things like that. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.640 So I missed out by about two or three days 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:53.560 days a year or something in LA and past the test. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.520 You know, we had to revise and all that kind 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:55.880 of stuff. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.200 Did she what kind of things are on the test? 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.040 I just said on my iPod, it's like, you know, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.240 about the Fifth Amendment and things like that, and everything 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.720 that I learned I've forgotten because I only learned it 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:06.440 for that one thing. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.840 For that moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So what was 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.960 it that made you kind of come back after twelve 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.640 years where you did you just feel I kind of 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.440 need to go home now, this is I'm done. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.560 I felt that I felt that I'd been done for 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:26.680 a few years before I left. I there's a few 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:27.960 things that happened. I gave up. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:28.960 I gave up. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:37.760 You know, the party lifestyle, drinking drugs, and kind of 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:38.840 had three years. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:43.240 In LA going to start. That's where the gym thing came. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:49.960 And I just found that no one was really following 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.240 my you know, so I was kind of just on 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.280 my own in a lot of ways. I was just 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.760 kind of like, you know, just spending a lot more 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.200 time on my own and didn't really have any didn't 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:04.840 really have any people who had the same sort of 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.600 musical tastes as me. I was coming to London a 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:12.280 lot and just kind of ended up just moving to 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.360 Seven Sisters. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.440 And it feels like now there's a lot of people 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.160 kind of within our world, like within independent music. Yeah, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.200 who are like musicians who are going out going out 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.400 there now to work on like TV and film stuff 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.200 like I think like Graham Coxon's just moved out there 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:34.240 to like write for TV and stuff. Right, it's so great. 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.600 So is that something like did you do any of 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.520 that while you're there? Do you have any interest in 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.760 like writing for no? I didn't. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.240 I mean there was opportunities, but you know, I mean 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:51.480 things like, you know, I get things like that kind 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.080 of often, you know, and it's it's and I respond 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.000 to the emails and then there's response, and then lots 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.200 of things fall to nothing, you know, and you know, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.760 people just like to sort to me an email, and 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.240 so lots of things like that did come and didn't come, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.800 and I made a solo album out there. I made 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.880 it at Sharlison's album out there that I think is 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:18.599 possibly one of our better one, well best one. I 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.400 think it's our best one. Yeah, in my opinion, is 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.959 that Wonderland, Yeah, your best I think it's I think 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:28.000 it's I think it's like sort of like whatever that 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.040 is kind of like diving out. It's sort of superhero stuff, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:31.440 you know. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.000 And the listeners Tim is putting his arm high in 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:39.680 the Wonderland is great. I think, like you know that 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.520 that album. I was at university when that album came out. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.800 I came to see you play. You played it at 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.880 Wembley Arena we did on that tour. I came to 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.600 that and it was, yeah, I love that record. I'm glad. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.040 It's nice to hear that that's your favorite record. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.600 I just think it's kind of like, I think it's crazy, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.920 crazy record. And it was like, you know, we didn't 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.840 have master tapes, you know, it was all you know, 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.120 WAVs and and and and we did it on Aida, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.080 I think, but you know, we were literally kind of 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.640 moving from one studio to the next and being locked 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.959 out of studios until we paid bills. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:18.280 And things like that. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.600 It was a real kind of ramshackleie thing. Yeah, it 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.000 was just amazing. And we worked we've done any saber 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.640 and we did some stuff you know, downtown La and 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.679 and and then we finished a lot of it off 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.840 in in our own studio in Cheshire and it was 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.080 there's lots of like you know, and we just managed 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.480 to piece it all together and and it just sounds fantastic. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.920 Yeah. It was also the record where you started that 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.560 the Falsetto singing came in. Yeah, and that's kind of 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.960 like I've not you've not done that much on records since. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.120 Have you done it at all on records? 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.160 I think I think I have since bits and pieces. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:56.440 Yeah. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.880 But I so I had this idea mark about the 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:05.520 idea of you know, men needing to be told what 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.800 to do. I thought it was quite a good, you know, 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.240 quite quite a good idea. And I sang it, and 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.880 I sang it in falsetto because I wanted to sound 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.560 like I was saying, you know, we're talking about Neil 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.240 Young and it. 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.720 Was kind of like the opposite of a man needs made. Yeah, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:25.480 but I wanted to. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.960 Sing it in the Neil Young kind of way, and 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.240 then we had that song for a while and we 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:31.560 just kind of left it, and then I wanted to 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.280 sing everything in falset after that because that's kind of 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.400 you know, naturally, I'm kind of a bit like that. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.400 Quite get really excited, and. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.320 That is the sound of that record. There's like, you 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.520 know loads where you're in, which is what I think 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.559 makes it. If you did you meet Neil Young when 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.760 you were out there? Have you met that guy? I haven't. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.320 I haven't. Now he might be one of those that 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.040 it's maybe best not to me, do you know. I've 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:54.880 just got that feeling. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.080 I'd love to see him across the road. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.959 Yeah, watch it, just watch him. Would you approach him? 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:03.840 It ends? I mean a lot of the time I 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.560 do approach people. Yeah, I think that's a good rule 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.120 to have. I know some people who would don't at all. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:15.040 H a rule don't meet the people you admire. And 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.760 I know some people who are just like, this is 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.280 my only chance. I kind of like that. I'm more 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.760 of the other way because I've always I understand that 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.480 put them on a pedestal. But I do like the 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.440 idea of being like, well, that's Neil Young. It's my 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:28.880 one chance. I'm going to go meet to him, and 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:30.800 if he swears at me, then that's fine. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.360 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I spoke to lou Reed. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.240 Did you. I bet he's worry. What did you what 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.120 was your what was okay? Where did you see him? 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.000 And what was your opening way in? What did you 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:45.640 say to him? 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.600 So it was around about the time of set the 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.120 Twilight Reeling album, so it's like nineties. He was sitting 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.160 on his own in Manchester Piccadilly train. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.040 Station, wow, about to catch a train, about to. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.960 Catch a train, and know what, you know, I was 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.679 looking at him for a while and thinking, no one, 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.200 no one knows, but that's Neil. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:06.720 That's certainly read. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:11.880 And so I just grabbed a pen and walked over 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:13.960 and asked him I could have a photograph and he 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:19.960 said if I fucking must, He said yeah, and it 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.560 was grumping, you know, made a few noises and things 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.840 like that, and then passed me the pen back and 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.240 then was kind of like nice then a little bit 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.960 you know, okay, yeah, because I was just like, yeah, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.800 do you mind, you know, because I was all kind 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.240 of you know, I built it up a little bit. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.000 And he just have you still got the signature? Yeah? 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.680 Who else have you got? Or is he? Is he 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.760 an anomally? Is there not many people you've told that? 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:50.000 Col Barrett I've got, I've got cor Barretts, got cow Barretts. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.000 That one's worth that's worth a lot. That's the one 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.320 that you can retire on. Yeah. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.960 But I mean I like to see people, and I've 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.840 now I always I always speak to Neil Tenant. I 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.760 make a point of seeing it. If CM I always 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.360 I always go and say it's Tim. Remember, only pick 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:11.280 up his glasses and go. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:16.640 So it t is one one person I know you 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.280 met in La or actually I don't know this. This 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.840 is a Wikipedia fact. This might be completely untrue. Is 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.160 Joaquin Phoenix? Oh yeah, did you? Did you record a 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.400 record with him? For? Like his record? 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:34.479 It was it was a very strange ten days. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.880 Okay, this is like how long have you been in 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:39.280 La at this point? 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.760 Well, I'm thinking that it was probably about two thousand. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:49.280 And eight okay, And he was making a record himself 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.280 which hasn't come out right, this is recording yees. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.640 So Anthony Langdon it's in a bun called space Hog, 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:02.200 all right, And so he's from Les right, and Joaquin 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:08.080 was writing lyrics and they were both kind of collaborating 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:13.800 on music for an album that Anthony was singing. But 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.640 Joaquin was writing all the lyrics and you could tell, okay, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:22.400 it's kind of everything. His whole life was in these lyrics. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.760 And I did some fucking vocals, and well, the reason 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.840 how a mutual friend drove us up to this house 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.560 saying I can't tell you who it is, and but 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.720 it's a you know, it's a great friend of mine. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.760 We got there and it was so at that point, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:46.000 did you know you were going around there to like, yeah, 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:47.880 I think he liked britpop. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:53.160 Okay, okay, some you know kind of. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.000 Bring me, bring me a britpop, bring. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:02.160 Me someone from britpop. So I went to this house 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:08.560 and and and then to a studio where they were 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.720 mixing and and dismantling it. It went from being quite heavy, 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:17.320 kind of kind of very very very Bowie right and Book, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:23.080 you know, Book probably also, but kind of more American 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.000 rock as well, I suppose, But and then it became 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.840 really stripped down acoustic, ye kind of Bowie style, and 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.200 you know, Anthony's vocals were amazing as well. Five songs 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.440 where I did bucking vocals on a few other people 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:39.720 came in and out, and then there was a few 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:46.480 other recording sessions. Joaquin would drive me home and then 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.159 he was going away to film and he lent me 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:54.440 his car. I didn't didn't do anything with it because 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.040 it didn't really it was just like, yeah, I think 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.200 he didn't want to look for a parking space. And 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.520 it was just like he would sort of tell me 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.639 stories and you know, like he is when he collects 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:13.160 his awards, you know, handing his hair and yeah, I 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.280 was in this film and I played Johnny Cash and 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.320 I was like, I know, so it's just stuff like 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.040 that while I was driving, while I was driving and 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.400 things like that. But it was a really great time. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.560 And then nothing, you know, and then the film where 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.960 he is you don't know whether it's a film or 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.000 whether it's real life. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.840 Is that I'm not I'm not here. Yeah, look it up. 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.959 We'll get and and and that. And Anthony's in that film, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:46.720 and I. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.800 Don't know if i'd meet him. Actually, he's quite He 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.080 strikes me as quite an intimidating guy because he's obviously 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:53.360 so quite intense. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.720 He likes to blend it. He likes to blend in 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:00.120 or disappear possibly, say so you see him on a 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.280 on the street and he's almost hiding. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:02.840 You know. 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:07.320 It's a little bit like right, okay, and always kind of. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.360 Yeah, definitely definitely. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.040 Doesn't want to stand out. But then we went to 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.159 a club and they weren't going to let us in, 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.600 and he whispered something to this guy into this guy 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.520 marketing Phoenix, and then he said, man, don't maybe do this, 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.160 do this, And then we went in and then within 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:36.720 minutes it was like just everyone was around our table 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:42.040 right the whole building, and it was like, yeah, it 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.040 was well, did. 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.800 You enjoy that? Like, because I think one of the 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.200 things I love about la I've only been a couple 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.399 of times, but one of the things I like about 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.320 it is that you can sense that that world's there. 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.320 I mean I didn't get anywhere near it, you know, 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:00.680 but like there's such something so allure about it. I 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:02.720 know it's ridiculous. I know I should be I know 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.640 I should be like, I know it's not called s out. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.520 I should just be more like dismissive of it, But 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.840 there is something quite being in it. Did you find 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.800 it like quite an alluring, attractive world or was it strange? 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.800 Because I also drove around One thing I did when 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:23.080 I was in I drove around bel Air and Beverly 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.479 Hills because I wanted to see it, and I was 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.359 both amazed and just saddened by it because there's no 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:35.000 sidewalks and it's so weird and it's so quiet and strange, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.800 and everyone's in these kind of palaces that are kind 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.880 of like prisons because they can't really just walk everywhere, 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.520 and it's just this weird kind of two sides of it, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:44.600 Like how did you find it? 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:49.399 Well? I think living actually, you know, in Hollywood in 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.840 that area, it was pretty good because like Silverlight was 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:57.840 quite silver Light was closer to Beverly Hills, yeah, you 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.600 know what I mean, And it got Beverly Hills a 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.919 few times. But it's kind of like, you know, that's 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.640 like walking down you know, Regent Street, you know basically, 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.119 so yeah, it's just another world. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:12.320 It's a visit. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.600 Silver Lake was somewhere where I, you know, played with 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.920 other musicians and you know, met Anton from Bran John 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.600 San Massacre and those guys and and uh, you know, 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.360 we'll go to shows there. There's lots of really good 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:34.320 clubs there, and and and that. Really seeing people film things. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:38.399 I didn't find it alluring really, I just but I 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.080 enjoyed it. I just thought, oh, well, look there's there's 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.760 Larry David, you know, and it's like and it's so 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.720 great to just like be driving past and turning around 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:51.520 and seeing Larry David or being behind you know, I 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.639 can't remember, isn't it not? Jeff the other guy in 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.160 ca of your Enthusiasm, The big the big guys. Jeff 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.480 is the big guys, Jeff for the guy looks like 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:08.400 Ronni Woolly and and and him sort of like doing 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.720