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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. My husband and

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Speaker 1: I were together for twenty years, married eighteen, together almost

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Speaker 1: twenty and he has better organizing skills than I do.

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Speaker 1: You know, we came from very different backgrounds. He came

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Speaker 1: from a background where at a very young age he

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Speaker 1: had to step up and do everything. I came from

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Speaker 1: a background where I didn't have to and I'm learning

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Speaker 1: as an adult on the go in the middle of things.

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Speaker 1: So when we were together, he did do a lot

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Speaker 1: of that. And coming from a background where I'm just going, going, going,

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Speaker 1: I always talk about I'm in fight or flight. You know,

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Speaker 1: what is the next moment bringing for all of us,

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Speaker 1: you know, financially, emotionally, all of it. And it's challenging

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Speaker 1: not having him here. And while it's definitely for the

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Speaker 1: best for the family that we are getting a divorce

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Speaker 1: and we have two separate households, it's challenging not having

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Speaker 1: that partner. He did help me with a lot of

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Speaker 1: that stuff, so now it falls, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: was always a good cop. He was bad cop. It's

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Speaker 1: just from by DNA and design, So you know, I

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Speaker 1: had to take on that role once he was gone

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Speaker 1: of being strict. He used to have signs. He would

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Speaker 1: put signs in our house, like above the trash, take

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Speaker 1: it out with like an arrow down pointing down at it,

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Speaker 1: like he would put his schedule up like this one

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Speaker 1: walks the dogs this day. My brain doesn't think that way.

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Speaker 1: So I say to the kids all the time, do

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Speaker 1: you want me to go back to notes all over? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: we can do it. I said, okay, because you know

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Speaker 1: you listen to dad when he well, you didn't listen

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Speaker 1: to You had to put notes up for you guys

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Speaker 1: to do it. I'm like stuck in this situation and

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Speaker 1: I don't feel I know they can do it, but

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Speaker 1: they won't do it.

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Speaker 2: So Tory, I think a couple things is one person's

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Speaker 2: way to do things doesn't necessarily work with another's.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So maybe one person says, you know, I need to

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Speaker 2: do laundry every Sunday and I need to commit to that,

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Speaker 2: versus some people say I need to do it every

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Speaker 2: two days, or I need to set a reminder. I

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Speaker 2: need to have a schedule. You know, I still have

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Speaker 2: one of those books that open up that's a paper schedule,

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Speaker 2: and other people want to look at their phone. So

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Speaker 2: everybody has different systems that works for them. I think

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Speaker 2: you're trying to find your system, but I think you're

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Speaker 2: also trying to find your power, because I'm not feeling

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Speaker 2: that you feel you have power, even though you say

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Speaker 2: to the kids like, hey, this is what we need

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Speaker 2: to do, and then they say okay, and then they're

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Speaker 2: running off to something else. Right, And that's where the

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Speaker 2: family work has to happen, where they they don't understand

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Speaker 2: because nobody, not me, and not somebody else who's in

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Speaker 2: your situation, can possibly understand what it's like to be

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Speaker 2: a single parent with five children period.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Then you have the demands of finances, You have the

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Speaker 2: demands of running the household, paying bills, whatever that looks like. Right,

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Speaker 2: And this is where I loop back to just even

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Speaker 2: five children with not having to do any of those

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Speaker 2: others is more than a full time job. But you've

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Speaker 2: got it all loaded on you, and I have this

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Speaker 2: sense that you feel like you've got to do it all.

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Speaker 2: And I think part of this conversation is you can't

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Speaker 2: do it, but what you have to do is to

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Speaker 2: find the room to do it, and something will have

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Speaker 2: to give.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it might be that you know I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you know what is in your life right now, but

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Speaker 2: something has to give in another place to make room

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Speaker 2: for you to attend to I would say starting probably

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Speaker 2: with your home, if I if I had to guess, right,

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Speaker 2: and with your home means starting to figure out how

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Speaker 2: to get it in order, but also sitting down with

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Speaker 2: your family and giving them an opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 2: how they feel about being in the home, what they

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Speaker 2: to contribute. Right, it's a family of six, it's not tory,

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Speaker 2: it's a family of six. It's everybody involved. And once

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Speaker 2: everybody can start to contribute, and I'm really just talking

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Speaker 2: about the daily stuff. Helping with dishes, helping with set

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Speaker 2: up the table, helping with laundry, making their beds, you

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Speaker 2: know that sort of thing like those would all be

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe important things we haven't talked about the specifics, right,

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Speaker 2: And then for you helping you to start to pare

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Speaker 2: down the stuff that you need to let go of,

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Speaker 2: and then figuring out ways for the daily management of

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Speaker 2: the home environment, because with six people taking out the trash,

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Speaker 2: wiping down the counter, putting things in the dishwasher, all

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Speaker 2: of that you have plenty of people to keep a

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Speaker 2: basic household running. But we have to make sure that

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Speaker 2: Tori is not bringing in more stuff. And if stuff

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Speaker 2: is coming in, you open up the package. The SAD

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Speaker 2: or whatever helping you to develop skills to say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to switch out these lotions

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Speaker 2: these bars of soaps with the ones that are actually

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Speaker 2: from twenty twenty two. And again I'm making this up right,

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Speaker 2: and then we're going to take these two donation. But

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Speaker 2: there has to be a process of what comes in.

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Speaker 2: We can't just let it keep coming in. And again

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Speaker 2: that's where we started. There has to be a purging process.

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Speaker 2: And wherever this podcast, this conversation lands us, I am

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Speaker 2: happy to help you. I'm happy to work with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to fly down. We're in California together. You know,

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Speaker 2: we can kind of do a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: maybe a mass attack. But I will say, Tori, it's

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Speaker 2: so important that you include the family. And this is

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Speaker 2: a message to your listeners as well that anytime somebody

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Speaker 2: is struggling with something, the key is is we have

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Speaker 2: to look at the people that we live with and

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Speaker 2: identify how they can be a part of the solution

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Speaker 2: because you have named it and you can't do it

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Speaker 2: on your own. And you know, I talk about a racetrack, right,

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Speaker 2: most of us have seen racehorses or dog races or

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. And where where do they start

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: They start at the same place and they end at

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Speaker 2: the same place. And we stuck in your head and

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Speaker 2: you just keep looping around and looping around. And I

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Speaker 2: know that this is emotionally super taxing for you. So

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Speaker 2: that alone is physically exhausting. But then you know, trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out, figure out, figure out, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: when what we're doing isn't working, we have to try different,

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Speaker 2: We have to do something different to get off that racetrack,

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Speaker 2: you know, And your openness, your vulnerability is you know,

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Speaker 2: just so amazing because I know so many of your

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Speaker 2: viewers are struggling with similar circumstances and they don't know

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Speaker 2: how to get off that racetrack. But the only way

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Speaker 2: you get off is to do something different. You've got

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Speaker 2: to ask for help. You've got to get to a

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Speaker 2: I can fix this problem. Because that time that you

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Speaker 2: take will exponentially take care of the emotional and the

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Speaker 2: physical stuff that is taxing you in other ways.

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Speaker 1: I agree it weighs on me constantly. There's not a

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Speaker 1: moment I don't think about it, and I'm not a moment.

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Speaker 1: I'm not confronted with it because I walked through my

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Speaker 1: had a friend and her family was wonderful. But I

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Speaker 1: would go to their house and like the kitchen counter,

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Speaker 1: for example. It's not that their house their house was clean,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't that, but if there was space on the counter,

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Speaker 1: there was something on it, it was fully utilized. And

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Speaker 1: I remember looking at that and it was very different

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Speaker 1: if there's space and it's not me alone, but it's

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Speaker 1: me too, it will be utilized. So we clean something up.

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Speaker 1: We put things away. Every time something's used, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: all that. It looks great. And I went into her

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Speaker 1: The kids know the drill. We have five hours. Guys,

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Speaker 1: it looks great. But then we never take the stuff out.

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Speaker 1: Every closet is just and I want to let I

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Speaker 1: want to let it go. I'm not even at that

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Speaker 3: I you can it's fine, fine, fine, okay, okay, I

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Speaker 3: got to be completely honest here and transfer it. But

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Speaker 3: everything else, like I'm doing this podcast with you, and

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Speaker 3: I'm looking around and you know, just to sit down

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Speaker 3: to do this podcast, I had to move things out

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Speaker 3: of the way. If I turn this camera around right now,

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Speaker 3: people would be like horrified. And again, it's not like

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Speaker 1: It's just stuff. So Tori, let's do it, really, really,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to add to your plate. You have

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Speaker 1: a million things going on, and see that's where I'm

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Speaker 1: going to start to minimize myself, like, well, there's so

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Speaker 1: many deserving people out there that need your help. Why

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Speaker 1: need right, So when.

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Speaker 2: Your people, I guess I should say, reached out to

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Speaker 2: how long, and they're like, oh, if you can give

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Speaker 2: me a half hour, and I'm like, I'll give you

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Speaker 2: an hour. I'll give you whatever you need, like whatever

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Speaker 2: be important to think about is the bigger picture, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's not just you know I talked about you know,

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Speaker 2: But your story has changed so many people out there

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