1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and smitha and ofcome stuff. Will 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: never told you production, but I heard you. And today, 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: as Samantha's voice is still on the. 4 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Mend, getting better, getting a little. 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Better, getting a little better. But on the mend, we 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: are postponing our concluding question Mark episode on Ice that 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: was scheduled for the day. This is coming out and 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: doing something where I get to do most of the 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: talking instead. And that is because we are talking about 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: fan fiction, one of my very favorite things, and there 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: is a lot going on in not only the fan 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: fiction space, but the online space. And so what I'm 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: going to be talking about is largely about fan fiction, 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: but a lot of it does impact a lot more 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: outside of fan fiction, and a lot of it could 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: be used specifically to target queer people. So I've said 17 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: it before, I'll say it again. The fanfit community is 18 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: a very gay space. Honestly, I'm surprised when people tell 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: me they read straight fan fiction. I'm like, where did 20 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: you find that? Certainly it is dominated by women, non 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: binary and trans folks. Now, for this we are going 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: to be doing an overview of some of the proposed 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: legislations that folks are watching some official stances on AI 24 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: and some stuff that I've witnessed personally as an avid 25 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: reader and writer of fan fiction, and some updates of 26 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: my own. Disclaimer, I am going to be largely pulling 27 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: from archive of our own, which is called AO three 28 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: for short, a nonprofit fan fiction site that is primarily 29 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: what I use, and I feel like what a lot 30 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: of people in my age group use. Younger people too. 31 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I think it's probably one of the biggest ones. Watpat 32 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: is generally that one skew's younger, and I've never touched 33 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: that one. I don't know what it's like. I feel 34 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: like it's more mobile based, mobile phone based. But I 35 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: used to be an oldfanfic dot net girl old days, 36 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: but now I'm AO no yes, and it's still around. 37 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: It's still there. Also, I feel like fan fiction has 38 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: gone way more mainstream since the last time we talked 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: about it. People are advertising their fan fiction on social media. 40 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: That's a whole thing now. I remember when it was 41 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: a shameful thing you hid, and now people are like, 42 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: go to my TikTok to get excerpts. Good for you, guys, 43 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: good for everybody, so you can see our past episodes 44 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: we did with Joey about Kosa. You could also see 45 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: the one that I did with Bridget on Fosta Sesta, 46 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: which was about sex workers and how they advertise on 47 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: the online space, and the Monday many I did about 48 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: the history of AO three specifically, also several more fan 49 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: fiction episodes, but related to this, it's been AO three 50 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: has been kicking around since two thousand and eight, and 51 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: it was created after Tumblr and a couple of other 52 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: platforms started removing content without warning, in this case fan 53 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: fiction related content and specifically LGBTQ plus contents, which was 54 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: more likely to be targeted for being too sexual, and 55 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: that is still true, which we're going to talk about. 56 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: That is still the case. Queer relationships were seen as 57 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: inherently more sexual as opposed to straight ones, so that 58 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: kind of content required a higher rating or it was 59 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: just simply taken off. And so people made archive of 60 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: our own, and a huge shout out to the volunteers 61 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: running the sites and compiling this information, because a lot 62 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: of what I'm going to be talking about I pulled 63 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: from them. So it's these volunteers who are looking at 64 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: these issues and making sure we're updated, keeping us informed. 65 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: So shout out to the volunteers. Thank you, thank you, 66 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: thank you. Also, this is just to reiterate an overview. 67 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: I did look into the laws we're going to be 68 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: talking about, but a lot of them are in kind 69 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: of legislative limbo, like maybe it passed the Senate, but 70 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: nothing's happened since then. It's been two years or something 71 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: like that. But certainly we could come back and do 72 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: a bigger episode on age raification and what's going on 73 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: with that. I'm going to mention it in here, but 74 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: a lot of moving pieces there. So today is April second, 75 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Just want to put that out there 76 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of moving pieces. And before 77 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: we get into this, I do want to mention that 78 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: AO three has their own policies around the age at 79 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: which people can use their site. It's thirteen unless the 80 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: user lives in certain countries in Europe where it's sixteen. 81 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: And this has to do with laws around children and 82 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: data collection. Because AO three is a nonprofit, this is voluntary, 83 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: but also because probably because they're a nonprofit, they do 84 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: not want to store certain information. For instance, in some 85 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: countries you can get a written permission from a parent 86 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: for certain sites that have you're like, Okay, yes they're 87 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: under sixteen, but I give my permission, but AO three 88 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: does not allow that. In November of twenty twenty five, 89 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: AO three posted an update highlighting some legal issues they 90 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: were keeping an eye on. Not all of them are 91 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: strictly fan fiction based, but they do. Slash would impact 92 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: the ecosystem that fan fiction exists in, and could. It's 93 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: a very all of this is a very slippery slope 94 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: kind of situation. So here are a handful. Over four months, 95 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, at least thirty authors of Boys 96 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: Love Fiction or Done My were arrested in China under 97 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: their obscenity laws. Nearly all were young women. Some were jailed, 98 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: some were questioned. One of the arrested writers later described 99 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: the experience on social media, quote, I'll never forget it 100 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: being escorted to the car in full view and enduring 101 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: the humiliation of stripping it naked for examination in front 102 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: of strangers, putting on a vest for photos in the chair, 103 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,119 Speaker 1: shaking with fear, my heart pounding. Another wrote, I'm only 104 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: twenty so young, and I've already ruined my life so early. 105 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: This news story went viral before it was largely censored. 106 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: So nobody could really see that much about it. The 107 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: targeting of don my authors is not new, but isn't 108 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: this is a marked escalation. Officials have cited the quote 109 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: negative impact on teenagers, which, as we're going to get into, 110 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: is an argument that comes up a lot. They've also 111 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: pointed to it as a reason for the declining birth rate, 112 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: which we've also discussed. And while heterosexual erotica is sometimes 113 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: targeted as well, it is much much more likely for 114 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: gay content to be targeted. And just to say, some 115 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: of this don my has been really successful, like made 116 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: into TV shows and stuff. So anyway, age ravication laws 117 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 1: this has obviously been a huge conversation recently. As of now, 118 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: AO three has no intention of introducing age verification for 119 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: its site, but multiple countries, states, and businesses have adopted 120 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: these laws, and in some cases are trying to pass 121 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: extreme forms of them. AO three, along with Wikimedia and 122 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: other organizations, have jointly filed amicust briefs against some stricter 123 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: proposed age verification laws in Utah and Mississippi. Both laws 124 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: were of course framed as protecting the children, but also 125 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: would severely hinder the distribution of free information and in 126 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty six, Discord announced the Phase four 127 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: rollout of their age ravocation program. It was pretty intense. 128 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: It called for things like video selfies to verify your 129 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: age group or submitting a form of ID, and this 130 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: was to guarantee under age users got quote teen appropriate 131 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: experiences that filtered and restricted content. The backlash was immediate. 132 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Many pointed out a data breach Discord had had only 133 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: months prior that exposed thousands of users government IDs. So 134 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Discord backtracked, claiming that they won't require a facial skin 135 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: or photo ID and that ninety percent of users won't 136 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: have to verify their age at all. From what I read, 137 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: they are still planning to push Phase four out though, 138 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: and I'm very interested about this ten percent. 139 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: That needs to right. 140 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: From what I read, there being kind of vague about it, 141 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: so something to keep an eye on as well. The 142 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: UK and Canada also have some age verification that could 143 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: put people's security at risk or just bar them from 144 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: a huge chunk of the Internet. Essentially, if you don't 145 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: upload your ID for if you're worried about security, then 146 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: that's just too bad. You can't access all of this stuff. 147 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: So from I checked where both of those laws were, 148 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: and from what I could tell, they are still slow moving. 149 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: But nothing's really happened with them. But if any listeners 150 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: from either of these countries, if you want to write 151 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: in and say, if you know what's going on better 152 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: than I do, then we have Russia's LGBT ban. So 153 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, Russia enacted a law originally geared towards Quote, 154 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: protecting minors from queer content. But a decade later, the 155 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: Russian Supreme Court named the Quote international LGBT movement as extremists, 156 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: and this has made engaging in anything in the queer 157 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: community illegal. So obviously that's terrible, but it clearly it 158 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: would impact something like fiction, although interestingly I see a 159 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: lot of fan fiction written by it's in Russian. I 160 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they're not in Russia, but it's in Russian. 161 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: One thing that they didn't really get two and two 162 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: on this AO three post, but they did mention was 163 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: the social media bands that some countries are doing, just 164 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: because that is related and how this could play out. 165 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: And so we know, like Australia is the big the 166 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: big one right now, and we'll kind of see what 167 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: goes down there, and I mean the youths are advertising 168 00:11:52,240 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: their their fan fiction on social media. So here's a 169 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: quick update on COOSA. But yeah, see the episode Joey 170 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: did about COOSA are the Kids Online Safety Act, But 171 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: it's still kicking around and is now associated with the 172 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: Kids Internet and Digital Safety Are Kids Act, first proposed 173 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. As it is, this would only 174 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: impact for profit companies, but as I said, a lot 175 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: of these are very slippery slope kind of situations. There 176 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: is a pretty wide range of people and platforms supporting it, 177 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: but also very many against it. Like you would be 178 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: shocked at how many people on different sides of the 179 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: aisle are that they're in alignment, and you're like, what 180 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: The problem here is largely that if it's implemented, it 181 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: could restrict access to information, particularly focused on marginalized communities 182 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: like racism, abortion, transition, use, LGBTQ plus issues. It is 183 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: extremely vague about what constitutes harmful contents, and it's that 184 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: makes it rife for abuse. We've already seen politicians do this, 185 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: so that's the concern. A lot of these things are 186 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: framed in a way where like on surface level, you're like, oh, yeah, cool, 187 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: but then when you think about it, like, no, that 188 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: could be really really bad. Yeah, there's something I hadn't 189 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: heard of. This one, the nonprofit Killer. This is a 190 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: bill proposed in late twenty twenty five, and here's a 191 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: quote from AO three about it. Section four of HR 192 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: nine four nine five would give the US Secretary of 193 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: the Treasury unilateral power to revoke the five OHO one 194 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: C three status of any nonprofit with minimal due process 195 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: simply by claiming it is affiliated with terrorism. The bill 196 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: allows the Secretary to limit the disclosure of evidence against 197 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: an accused nonprofit and places the burden of proving its 198 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: innocence on that nonprofit, meaning a nonprofit could be forced 199 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: to defend itself without being told why it has been 200 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: accused in the first place. Yeah, that's troubling. 201 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 202 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: There was a lot of nonprofits obviously that are specifically 203 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: working with trans kids as well as specifically trans kids 204 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: and reproductive rights that knew that were very vocal about this. 205 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: I think mutual aid programs were also really concerned with 206 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: this conversation as well, because obviously right now people anybody 207 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: is being called terrorists. If you're helping a trans a 208 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: person that is considered a terrorists if you're helping, if 209 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: you're protesting things like Black Lives Matter, if you're in 210 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: that product protest, that is being seen as terrorist act. 211 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: If of course, Antifa was declared a terrorist act and 212 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: Antifa does not exist, but yet they can say this 213 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: organization is an antifault organization. So, which is what was 214 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: recently talked about in Texas with them going after a 215 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: group of people for their zines saying that they were 216 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: publishing terrorist propaganda because it was anti fascist. So yes, 217 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: it's a big, like all interconnected, scary scary scary thing. 218 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, ultimately, what we're talking about here 219 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: is censorship and who controls who gets access to what information. 220 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: Some of the examples I didn't even get to are 221 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: like larger platforms. I think gaming services like Steam, we're 222 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: being pressured to remove certain games because they use vendors 223 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: like Visa, and as we've discussed before, these payment processors 224 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: are very inconsistent and who they target and what type 225 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: of content they target, but a lot of it is 226 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: usually queer, and so they will push platforms to remove 227 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: that content, and you then that's a form of censorship 228 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: that that's you're not getting access to the content you 229 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: might not even note exists. It's not there anymore. Yeah. 230 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: Also just a note, a personal note from me. Uh. 231 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: With the whole FCC and like paramount deal thing, this 232 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: is all impacting what gets made, what gets canceled, and 233 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: what we see and a lot of queer content is 234 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: getting mixed or acted. And I believe this is why 235 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: I's queerbited. I have learned recently I can blame Trump 236 00:16:54,880 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: for that. Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. 237 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm like ninety percent sure. As I said, this is 238 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: just a handful of things that are going on. It's 239 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: like they also break it down state by state, and 240 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: that scared me. I was like, oh my gosh, every 241 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: state almost has something that they're trying to pass, especially 242 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: in the like age verification arena, and some of them 243 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: are really intense. I think the one Utah, which whoa. 244 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: I was taken aback by how intense it was. And 245 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: so we are going to have to come back to 246 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: this in a non fan fiction kind of way one day, 247 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: but for now, that's a brief overview of some of 248 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: the big ones. I did want to talk about AI 249 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: and fan fiction because I did bring it up in 250 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: our recent episode with Bridget I can't help myself. I 251 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: brought it up several times, but I didn't get to 252 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: go into some of the things. I don't want to 253 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: make it the whole when bridge it comes on the 254 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: whole Annian or fan fiction thoughts episode. So I found 255 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: this on kind of their AO three's terms of service 256 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: and it's presented as a very FAQ situation. So this 257 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: is a question answer. So here is the quote about AI. 258 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: Do you have a policy on bots are scraping? These 259 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: are ways of extracting information from or indexing websites. The 260 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: use of bots are scraping for spam, commercial promotion, are 261 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: other purposes that violate our policies is forbidden. This includes 262 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: scraping AO three for the purposes of obtaining material for 263 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: commercial generative AI are creating an app that host our 264 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: paywalls AO three content. The use of bots are scraping 265 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: for purposes that do not violate our policies is generally allowed. However, 266 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: we reserve the right to implement robots dot txt or 267 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: other protocols limiting what bots can do, or to notify 268 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: you and ask you to discontent If a bot or 269 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: scraping program is causing problems for the site. As for discretion, 270 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: we may also ban specific bots or other programs from 271 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: accessing an three. So in the episode we did with 272 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Bridget that was about the whole thing with Shy Girl 273 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: and kind of this anxiety we have about content being 274 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: created by AI, I had it. I had a thing 275 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: in there where I said, you know, now, on a 276 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: lot of fan fiction spaces they're saying, don't use Google 277 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: Docs because it'll it'll scrape your Google Docs. But I 278 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: should have also said I am not convinced at all 279 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: that it won't just scrape your fiction, like right, but 280 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: like people and I love, I feel, I feel for you, 281 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: and they'll put little notes and they're like, please don't 282 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: I do not give permission for you to scrape this 283 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: for AI, and I'm like, HEYI does not care, my friend, 284 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: I was gonna take it. I get it. And it's 285 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: a lot of things change in the fan fiction space 286 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: when AI became more prominent. One of them was again, 287 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: I don't think this will really help, but maybe it does. 288 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: But a lot of people made their accounts private, so 289 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: that means that you can't if I wasn't logged in, 290 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: and you have to get an invitation to get on 291 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: AO three. By the way, to have an account, you 292 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: can go. But if you just go and you don't 293 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: have an account, you can't read anybody who's made their 294 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: account private. So a lot of fewel made their accounts 295 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: private after AI became a really big thing. I have 296 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: not done that yet. I did talk about how I 297 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: had experienced what I believed were AI reviews, but now 298 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: I probably should specify. I don't know if it was 299 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: AI or bots. I just know it wasn't a person. Hmm, 300 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: there's no way a person wrote that, because I got 301 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: the same review on multiple. 302 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 2: What's the difference between AI and bots? 303 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: I think AI, like ABOD is a more simplistic like 304 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: it has a more simplistic this is your whole thing. 305 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: Your whole thing is you go in, you respond and 306 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: with this one comment, whereas AI is kind of isn't 307 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: it that the thing is like it's learning. Maybe I'm 308 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: totally wrong, but I just felt. 309 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: Like I just didn't think about that. 310 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: I mean, they are we obviously have two terms for them, 311 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: and there are two different things. So I just didn't 312 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: think about this. But because bots you use AI, I 313 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 3: know that. 314 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe they were one and the same. 315 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe they're one and the same now. 316 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: I feel like at one time there was a pretty 317 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: big distinction in them. Yeah, but anyway, And I also 318 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: said I had been accused of being a and I 319 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: didn't like that. But what how do you? I don't 320 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: think I do the AI things. I don't know. 321 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 3: If you use Google and you have any kind of autogorright, 322 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: it'll assume its AI. 323 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't. 324 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: I told you, Oh yeah, you don't use Google. Do 325 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: you use it on your word? 326 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: My spell check doesn't work? Oh yeah, this listeners. This 327 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: is actually a long running problem, and it's all so 328 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: many issues for me. My spell check does not work. 329 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: Here's my honest opinion. I think sometimes if somebody doesn't 330 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: like something, they're just going to say it's AI. I 331 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: think that's the stage we've reached where accusations will come 332 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: out of like, oh, it's AI because they don't like 333 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: what he wrote. I don't think that's the majority of 334 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: what's happening at all. I think it's a minority. But 335 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: I do think it happens. Like we were talking about 336 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: with Bridget I have no idea in the case of 337 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: Shy Girl, but I guarantee you. Some people probably just 338 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: didn't like it and were like, it's Ai. Some people 339 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: legitimately are like, no, I think it's Ai. But some 340 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: people just no, I don't like it must be Ai. 341 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: You're lazy. Yeah, but it is a bit. It's a 342 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: hot but an issue in the fan fiction space. People 343 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: go out of their way to prove it's not Ai. 344 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: I've said before in AO three, there's a lot of 345 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: tags that you can click on and kind of see 346 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: what the story is about. Now there are a lot 347 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: of tags that people put in and that are like, 348 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: it's not Ai. I like M dashes, it's not Ai. 349 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: Non native English speaker, it's not Ai. Like. People really 350 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: go out of their way. Usually there's a note about 351 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: it at the top, like I just like M dashes, 352 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: I promise you. But that was I didn't even know 353 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: about that, but only because of fan fiction I realized 354 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: it was a thing. 355 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: Mine autocorrects is for me because when I will use 356 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: a dash and not realizing it's supposed to be an 357 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: M dash and then it'll auto cray, I'm like, oh, that's. 358 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: Cool, hmm interesting, Like. 359 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that's what I'm supposed to be. No not 360 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: my bad. 361 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I use M dashes correctly. 362 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: Anyway, obviously I don't. 363 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: Occasionally I will say this, most people go out of 364 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: their way to prove they don't use AI. Some people 365 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: will be really upfront and say, I used it for grammar, 366 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: or I used it for bring Storming. So some people 367 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: will say that, and I usually don't read those stories, 368 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: not because I'm a like offended or anything, but because 369 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: they're usually pretty short, and I don't like it, like 370 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: six hundred words. I don't know. You gotta give me 371 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: more than that. I've got standards, I got deep plots. 372 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: I needed to get to know the characters. I need that. 373 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: Stormy got little six hundred words. I've got my specifics. Okay, 374 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: you do. I like it, yes, but I have seen that. 375 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: But it's an ongoing conversation. And also, I don't typically 376 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: look at fan art, but people post fan art too 377 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: on on AO three and other fan fiction sites. But 378 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: I feel like the rules are stricter actually around fan art. 379 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: I find that interesting again because I'm so into the 380 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: Korean world right now, with like everything and webtoons. It's 381 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 3: that huge obviously, and webtoons is basically comics. But novel comics, 382 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: I guess, and I don't think they're necessarily a fan fiction, 383 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: but they definitely ride that line. 384 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I from what I was reading, it felt 385 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: like a lot the images were much more there were 386 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: a lot more rules around them. 387 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: Huh. 388 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: But there was also a law in Tennessee called the 389 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: Elvis Law, and it was supposed to be it was 390 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: it was again a very vague law, but I guess 391 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: the overarching thing was it was supposed to be you 392 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: can't reproduce a person, an actor or singer, their image 393 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: as it passed their likeness. Yes, and that obviously, you know, 394 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: because then the concern is does that mean if you're 395 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: describing you're kind of describing a character, but an actor 396 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: who played that character, Like how far does that go? 397 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: But there's a lot more specific things around images that 398 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: have been legalized in the US. So that's sort of 399 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: what's going on with AI on AO three. I love 400 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: other listeners who use like wapad or something to write 401 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: in I've never stepped foot over there. I don't know 402 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: what would happened to me if I went over there. 403 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: Get your friend really into it? 404 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: Oh? 405 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: I never who talked about what pad? Pretty like detailed 406 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: at one point. It's been a minute, but. 407 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I have some friends who are who 408 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: were at one time. Like I said, it's kind of 409 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: a younger space, and not that there are plenty of people. 410 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: When I'm reading AO three, I'm like, you are young. 411 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: I can tell. And in fact, when we were talking 412 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: about how do you pick up? What do you think? AI? 413 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: Is one of the things I'm I'm kind of wondering, 414 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: is is it some of this? I wonder if it's 415 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: just younger people write more differently than I'm accustomed to. 416 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: There are some phrases I see all the time now 417 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: that I'm like, is that just a like lands differently? 418 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Is that a young person thing? It's all over the place, 419 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: like all over some version of that. 420 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: Huh. 421 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: But watpad is especially like it's like mostly younger young people. Yes, 422 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: in my experience that could have changed. That was many 423 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: years ago, but I did have some friends who kind 424 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: of were there, and now they've moved to AO three. Oh. 425 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: Another thing I want to mention before we move on 426 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: from the AI bit. Something else that has changed is 427 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: that authors have become really preemptive about proving, not only 428 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: proving they're not AI but they're also more likely to 429 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: cite inspirations like I was inspired by this tweet, I 430 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: was inspired by this story, I was inspired by this 431 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: TikTok or whatever it is that's new, like that's that 432 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: wasn't that way when I first started reading fan fiction, 433 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's a good thing. I'm not mad 434 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: about that. But people are much more likely to say, no, 435 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: it was this, here's the inspiration. And when you use 436 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: AO three you can there's a there's a like function 437 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: where you can say inspired by. But yeah, okay, so 438 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: back to we're kind of moving into my personal more 439 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: of my personal experiences now, but back to that whole 440 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: thing about images. So one thing I've seen playing out 441 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: right now is a huge fight about underage under age sex. 442 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: So a quick reminder here. We've talked about it in 443 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: past episodes, but as of now, AO three has archive 444 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: warning tags that you're supposed to use if your work 445 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: includes any of those topics. Otherwise you can be reported 446 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: unless you say, like chose not to warn. But I'll 447 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: get into that in a second. They are rape, slash, 448 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: non con major character death, underage sex which is under 449 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: eighteen in this case, or graphic depictions of violence. There 450 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: is also no archive warnings apply, and creator chose not 451 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: to use archive warnings. I find people usually use that 452 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: one to avoid major character death spoilers, or if they're 453 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: not quite sure where it's going. So you would say, 454 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, when you see no archive warnings, supply she's like, Okay, 455 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: somebody either dies or they haven't finished writing this story. 456 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, those are like the big things. On 457 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: top of that, there is a rating system similar to 458 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: movies or TV, but I have never used it and 459 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: I've never paid attention to it once in my life, 460 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: except when I was younger and the default was not 461 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: to include works rated MA unless you change the setting. 462 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: Then I paid attention because I'd change it. People also 463 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: use chapter specific warnings and author's notes and will often 464 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: ask what folks think they should tag if they miss something. 465 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: So I talked about this when we did our book 466 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: club on Dubcon. But usually in my experience, people are 467 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: very careful about that stuff. They do care about the 468 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: reader having a good experience. They don't want somebody to 469 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: report them, they don't want you to feel miserable. And 470 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: sometimes people will say, I think you should add in 471 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: this tag, and people will do it usually if somebody wrote, 472 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: if somebody left a comment online and I was like, 473 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: I really think you should add this I and I agreed, 474 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: like it wasn't just completely out of left field, I 475 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: would add it. So sometimes the author's notes serve as that, 476 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: especially if it's like not a big part of the story, 477 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: but anyway, those are kind of the main things. So 478 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to this underage thing that I'm seeing 479 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: playing out, Here's what AO three has to say about 480 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: what content they allow. AO three was designed to be 481 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: a permanent home for all transformative fan works. We will 482 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: not remove content from AO three solely because it contains explicit, offensive, 483 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: or upsetting material, as long as it doesn't violate any 484 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: other part of the content policy, such as the harassment 485 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: policy or the non fan work policy. We allow content 486 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: of any rating and all kinds of fictional topics. Users 487 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: are responsible for reading and heating the ratings and warnings 488 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: provided by the creator. If there's a type of content 489 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: that you don't want to encounter, you should avoid opening 490 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: any work tagged or rated to indicate that it may 491 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: contain such content. Risk averse users should keep in mind 492 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: that not all content will carry full warnings if you 493 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: want to know more about a particular fan work, you 494 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: may also want to consult the bookmarks that people other 495 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: than the creator have used to categorize it. I didn't 496 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: know this was a thing. This is news to me, 497 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: and I'm too scared to look. But apparently when people 498 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: bookmark your story, they can write a little note like, oh, 499 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: this story is where this cute thing happens. But I 500 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: guess some people are really mean in there, which I'm like, 501 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: why would you bookmark a story that you don't want 502 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: can leave a really mean note? But anyway, I didn't 503 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: know that was the thing. I'm too scared to look. 504 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: But people are into it. I've seen a lot of 505 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: people commenting about I love going through the bookmarks and 506 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: reading what people around. Yes, maybe I'll get the courage someday. 507 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: This has always been an issue, this whole thing, because 508 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: as long as images slash photorealistic images of children aren't 509 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: being used in any way, it is legal in the 510 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: United States to depict children in sexual situations and CSA, 511 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: so it's legal on AO three and a big policy 512 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: on any fan fiction side is don't like to read 513 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: and as I said, tagging things appropriately. If you don't. 514 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: Someone can report you, but otherwise it is legal. In 515 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: my experience, people, as I said, they take it pretty 516 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: seriously and they air on the side of caution. Of 517 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing this play out is they're they're like seventeen, 518 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: Like it's not like young young kids, but they're under eighteen, 519 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: and so it can get caught up in that, especially 520 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: if there's a shipping war involved. Oh my goodness. But yeah, 521 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: that's mostly what I'm playing out, but it is, it's 522 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: really big right now. I just wanted to include the 523 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: scope of what AO three is dealing with here, though, 524 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: because this is from their terms of service. What about robots, 525 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: computer simulations, elves, aliens, vampires who are three hundred years 526 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: old but who were turned into vampires at age twelve, etc. 527 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: The answer. The primary use of the underage sex warning 528 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: is to identify fan works depicting sexual activity involving humans 529 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,240 Speaker 1: under the age of eighteen as measured in Earth years. 530 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: Please use your judgment for other situations. If the fan 531 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: work does not include a depiction of sexual activity with 532 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: a human under eighteen years old, then we will not 533 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: generally consider it underage sex, though creators may use the 534 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: archive warning if they feel it accurately represents their intent. 535 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: As always, we encourage creators and bookmarkers to be more 536 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: specific in tags or summaries where this would be useful 537 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: to potential audiences. I love that. I never even considered 538 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: this funny. 539 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: Earth years, Earth Years, you got to. 540 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 1: It's true, though, There's all kinds of stuff being written. 541 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I just was not expecting to read this 542 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: when I was researching yesterday. I know, you got to. 543 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: You got to. They have a lot more that that 544 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: was like the in my opinion, the funniest one, but 545 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: they have a lot more. Goes into detail about robots 546 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: and aliens, if you would like to look it up. 547 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: Another thing I want to mention, I'm not going to 548 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: go into detail here, but they have a lot of 549 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: things you're not supposed to do, things that can get 550 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: you reported, things that are violations. And one of them 551 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: that I read and was like, oh, that's not getting 552 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: reported because I see that all the time is violations 553 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: of the violent joke tag. So that's basically like, oh, 554 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, it's just a joke, but it's very violent. 555 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: I see that all the time, as far as the 556 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: eye could see. I see it and the thing is 557 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: like in less somebody reports them, then it's largely based 558 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: on who reports so, and maybe they did get reported. 559 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. A lot of times I see it 560 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa, you need to go outside, I think, 561 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: but I don't for it, but maybe somebody else did. 562 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: Maybe somebody else did. But I just when I was 563 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,479 Speaker 1: reading through their terms, I was like, oh, that one 564 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: I see all the time, the commercial, Like you're not 565 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: supposed to do anything commercial on AO three either. For 566 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: a while I was seeing that all the time too, 567 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: where people would like leave a review and be like 568 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: I love if your work, it's great, you should pay 569 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: me to make a comic for it, or something like that. 570 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: And that's not a lout. Okay. So just to round 571 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: this out, these are some of my personal updates. First 572 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 1: of all, everybody's yelling at me. I've gotten several angry 573 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: comments because I have not updated since November. As listeners know, 574 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: I went into it to p and then a hypervexation 575 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: soon after. So yes, I have not updated. I am 576 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: not going to abandon it. I have like five stories 577 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: there they're going to be finished. But I do know 578 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: what it's like. I know the pain when you have 579 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: a story you really love and you're just desperately hoping, oh, oh, 580 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: they haven't gone away. It's kind of funny because there's 581 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: like two sides of this coin. Where As the author, 582 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they'll say something and I've never personally liked this, 583 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: but sometimes they'll do something where they're like, unless I 584 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: get I don't know, five reviews, I'm not going to 585 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: post another one. And now you know, as the reader, 586 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: sometimes there's like, I'm going to abandon this story if 587 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: you don't update it within this amount of time, some 588 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: kind of like blackmailing stuff going on. Yeah, I do 589 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: feel bad, and one of the it's already half written. 590 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: I just have to finish. I just have to finish it. 591 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 3: Didn't you have a story where someone you've like, I 592 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 3: think they might have passed away? 593 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'll talk about this. Okay. So when I 594 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: was reading, I don't know that they did. But when 595 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: I was reading the terms service for this for this episode, 596 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: I learned that AO three has something called the Fanish 597 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: next of kin, and this is someone you can name 598 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: as the person that if you die, has access to 599 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,479 Speaker 1: your account and they can't update your stories or anything. 600 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: They can't do anything like that, but they can post 601 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: like hey, sorry she's dead. Yes I'm thinking about doing it. 602 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: You worry about illness, death or hyperfixation, which I didn't 603 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: talk about, but it's true. You lose, You lose your 604 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: authors to some other fandom you go into like see 605 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: what they're reading, and they're like no, yes. And it's 606 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: called the AO three curse because usually a lot of people, 607 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: you get really excited at the beginning and you're like, 608 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: I have all these ideas post chapter, and then something happens, 609 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: or you get tired, you no more chapters written, and 610 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well now I got to sit down 611 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: and actually write some stuff. So the AO three curse 612 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: is real. AO three curse is real. But whoa, I 613 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 1: got a lot of angry comments. I got one today. 614 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: I haven't read it yet, but I could tell by 615 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: the subject line it was not happy. So I'm gonna 616 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: have to deal with that. One Another thing. I've said 617 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: this before, especially in light of all of what I've 618 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: just been talking about. Download the pdf. I'm a big 619 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: believe because they might. I don't know when it's going 620 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: to go away, maybe it won't, but if you have 621 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: the PDF, I've lost a lot of fan fiction actually recently, 622 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: because I was in another fandom and it's a lot 623 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: younger people, and they'll post something and delete it like 624 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: the next day. 625 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 3: It's not fanfic. But it did take Stephanie Meyer's book, 626 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 3: which I think like has just was a published in 627 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 3: the last five years. We talked about it, but where 628 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 3: it was from Edward's perspective, it was ten years before then. 629 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,439 Speaker 3: I found it and I'll printed it off at work, 630 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 3: hundreds of pages. 631 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got away with that, but 632 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: I did good for you. You knew. 633 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 2: You knew. 634 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 3: I was like, I gotta get it and I know 635 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 3: it's going to disappear because it was being like people 636 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 3: were erasing it because it was her property. So you know, 637 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 3: it is what it is when I found it, don't 638 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 3: worry about me. I try to have a copy of it. 639 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: We're here the future book CLI perhaps yeah, I can. 640 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 2: Commit to that again. The movie is the one thing, 641 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 2: but the books that I don't know. 642 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm curious if people can tell when they when you 643 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: download their PDF because AO three actually has a lot 644 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: of like ways you can track stats. Yeah, in some 645 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: ways that creep me out. Not in uh, I mean, 646 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: it's like normal stuff. It's like how many people have 647 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: clicked on it, how many people have bookmarked it, how 648 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,760 Speaker 1: many people have done that. But I guess what creeps 649 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: me out about it is some authors are so focused 650 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: on it that they'll like comment on it, and that 651 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: kind of creeps me out that they're paying so much attention. 652 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: But you know they're doing this for free until some 653 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,919 Speaker 1: of them, until they get a book deal. But which 654 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: is another thing, And that's why I think the social 655 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: media aspect has become so huge. I've never seen it. 656 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: I've tried to figure it out. I don't think people 657 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: can tell when you download the PDF, but listeners right 658 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: in if I'm wrong, because I'm a that's what I do. Like. 659 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: If I like a story, I'm downloading it. I'm not 660 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: gonna let that get deleted and I'll never be able 661 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: to read it again. Something else. I did join a 662 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: fan fiction discord. Unfortunately, actually I went through all of 663 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 1: these steps to get in. Not only do I not 664 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: really understand how discord works, but that's when I went 665 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: into my depression and hyperfixation. So I haven't really been 666 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: back in. But I will so proud because you were, 667 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: like I know, I know the timing was terrible, but 668 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: I did get a mysterious message from the discord server yesterday. 669 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: I didn't read it because I thought it might be 670 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: an April Fool's Day prank. And I'm very suspicious of 671 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: April fl Day everybody, so I like, Nope, don't contact 672 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: me on April first. Okay, that's not Gooday. 673 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 2: I realized it yesterday. 674 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: You won't get me, Samantha. 675 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 2: I won't get me either, because again I didn't know 676 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 2: what day was. I'm fine a bunch. 677 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: I got several text messions to yesterday from people where 678 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, it's April Fool's Day, right, 679 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: That is not true and everybody clearly forgot about April 680 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: Fool's Day. Uh, just all right. Another thing. I I'm 681 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 1: not going to get into this right now, but I 682 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: did want to just mention I have seen what I 683 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:51,439 Speaker 1: considered a pretty troubling trope of Imagine you have two 684 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: characters of the same sex, one is straight and one 685 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: is gay. One loves the other one. The gay one 686 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: loves the other one, I mean, in my opinion, the 687 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: straight and loves the other one too. But anyway, in 688 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: these stories, somehow the straight person is able to like 689 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: wish that the gay person is the opposite gender so 690 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: they can be together, and I just it makes me 691 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,800 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. I've seen it in a lot of places. 692 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes the point of the story is the straight person 693 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: realizes they're not so straight after all, and they don't 694 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: need them to be the opposite sex. But sometimes it 695 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: feels very like wishing away somebody's a part of somebody's 696 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: identity against their will. And to be clear, this is 697 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: not like trans like the gay person in question didn't 698 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: want this. Some kind of like ruminating on that and 699 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,839 Speaker 1: what that might mean and what to say about that. 700 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: But that is one trope I've seen that I hadn't 701 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: seen a lot of until recently. I was like, ooh, 702 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how I feel about that. 703 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: I don't like that. I'm one one last thing podfic. 704 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: So this is when somebody takes your fan fiction mixup 705 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: podcast of it and you have to ask for permission 706 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,320 Speaker 1: because technically you are the copyright holder with fan fiction. 707 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,720 Speaker 1: At this we didn't get into copyright laws. That's something 708 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: that else that AO three and other fan fiction sites. 709 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: Our fantish sites are very active and monitoring. But technically 710 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 1: I own the copyrights on my stories, so you have 711 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: to get permission from me. But somebody, somebody has made 712 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 1: a podfick of three of my fan fictions. Really yep? 713 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: Do you know they ask me or if I don't 714 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: give them permission, they can't do it. I haven't listened 715 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: to them, but they're pretty popular, so I trust that 716 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: they're not like terrible. But maybe maybe I'm wrong. 717 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 2: What's it good? What's it called? 718 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: No? Never? Never get it out of me? I know 719 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: some listeners have figured it out, but no. Okay. So 720 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: in conclusion, I understand that a lot of what we 721 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: talked about is really messy. I think it's hard to 722 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: police what kids see on the Internet, and a lot 723 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: of adults don't know how to or don't know the dangers. 724 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think a lot of 725 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: these things that we talked about are masquerading as protecting 726 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: the children, and they're not about that at all. They're 727 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 1: instead restricting access to information, to queer content, to anything 728 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: those in power don't want people to have access to. 729 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: And even if the person who is in now you 730 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: agree with, you don't know who's going to be empowered next. 731 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,479 Speaker 1: And I know that yes, we're talking about fan fiction 732 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: right now, but really we're talking about so much more. 733 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 1: This does impact all of us. This impacts what we 734 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: can access, This impacts our internet landscape, and it's frightening 735 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: to see what is proposed and what could happen. And 736 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think that there are so 737 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 1: many big organizations that are against these laws, and when 738 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: you read why, it makes sense. So if you have questions, 739 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: you can look that up online. Thanks again to the 740 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 1: volunteers that run AO three. If you want more information 741 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: our ways to speak up against these acts, they have 742 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: links on their site. They also discuss a lot of 743 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: legal issues around copyright, like I said, so if you're 744 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: interested in that, and they did provide a lot of 745 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 1: the information for this episode, so shout out to them. 746 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: All the kudos to them. That's what it's called when 747 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: you leave a heart on a fan fiction on a review. 748 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, listeners, we would love to hear from you. 749 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: If you know anything about any of these laws, anything 750 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: we missed, anything in the fan fiction world you'd like 751 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: us to talk about. Please let us know. You can 752 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 1: email us at Hello at stuff iever told you dot com. 753 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,959 Speaker 1: You can find us on Blue Sky at mom Stuff 754 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 1: podcast or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff I've Never 755 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: Told You for us on YouTube. 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