WEBVTT - What a Man Gotta Do 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:06.760 This is How Men Think? And and I heard radio podcasts. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.680 Welcome to another episode of How Men Think. My name 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.000 is Brooks Like and I'm sad to say, for all 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.680 our Gavin DeGraf fans, we do not have Gavin DeGraw 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.080 with us today. We also do not have Rick Ryan 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:23.880 or Dmitri and I know all two of Ryan's fans 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.200 are going to be disappointed that he's not here. But 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.520 for you guys, for everybody listening at home, we do 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.720 have a super special guest with us today. I am 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.600 going to anoint him with co hosting privileges in lieu 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.600 of absence, and I will dare to say that this 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:47.120 man is with no disrespect to any previous guests. This 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:51.120 is probably the most handsome man we have ever had 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.200 on this show. So unfortunately it's a podcast, but we're 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.960 doing this call by zoom and I want to introduce 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.800 you guys to Mr Eric Winter. How are you, buddy 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.200 good Man? Thank you for that intro that was that 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.759 was pretty spectacular. Yeah, dude, I must know how men think. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.559 This is great. Happy to bring some knowledge. That's that's 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.959 any For any of the females that know you, that 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.880 know the name Eric Winter, know you as a model, 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:24.600 know you as an actor. Um, they know, they're they're 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.880 probably thinking if this was how women think, they'd be 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:31.479 probably saying you are the most handsome man. But I'll 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.280 just echo that statement and say that you're probably the 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:39.560 most handsome man we have ever had on this show. So, um, 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.520 you started your career. I want to dig into your 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.040 career a little bit. You started your career as a model. Correct? 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.600 I did? I did? I was? You know I was. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.360 I was, believe it or not. I want to be 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.160 a doctor. I was a pre med student at U 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.919 c o A. Uh yeah. I started dating this girl 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.040 who was working on this TV show Clueless that used 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.600 to be around not the movie after the movie that 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.520 was the show, and she was like a recurring on 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.240 there and she had we met and she said, why 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.160 don't you modeled, interacting or do anything? And that you know, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.359 I don't know. I'm pursuing to be a doctor. So 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.200 give me some pictures of yourself. I want to submit 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.680 with some friends of mine and see if they can 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.520 help you out. I was like, okay, so I'm, you know, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.639 standing in my backyard and underwear like in front of 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:22.600 an old shed. Takeyas that I that I sent her, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.800 and I got lucky enough to get a manager who 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.680 then got me an agent fairly quickly, and um, it's 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.200 starting to become a profession. Within like a year, I 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.880 booked Tommy Hill figure campaign and then it became a job. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.280 At that point, I didn't become a doctor. I never 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.080 became a doctor. And then all of a sudden, you're 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.760 doing pictures with Britney Spears. Yeah, not a bad dig 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.960 my man. No man. It evolved from there. Yeah. I 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.840 went from acting the commercials and then uh, I got 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.280 like a big acting break doing a soap opera, Days 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.200 of Our Lives for one contract, which is a few years. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.640 And then I've hopped all over you know, film and 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.079 television and currently doing the show The Rookie on ABC. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.800 It's been great right on. And then also in The 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.280 Good Doctor. So did some of that did you get 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.720 to fulfill? Like some of you are just missed out 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.800 on dreams? Bye bye? That like acting in that series, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.960 believe it or not, I've played a doctor like five 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:23.400 or six, the best fake doctor out there, dude, do 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.640 do it? Catch me if you can go into some hospital. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.079 And I actually don't advise this because you know, out 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.600 of respect for the medical profession, but like you could 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.520 probably pull off and catch me if you can. Where 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.040 he goes in and acts like a doctor even though 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.880 he has no certifications for it. It's it's funny. It's funny. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.680 I was able to fulfill that aspect of my life, 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:47.000 you know, hypothetically. Um, and it's been it's been cool, man, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.200 I've been very fortunate. Um. What do you which one 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.120 do you enjoy more? The modeling side of it or 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.840 the acting side of it. You know. The one thing 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.600 about modeling that was for me always the most fun 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.360 is I'm I love to travel. So modeling gave me 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.040 like a free ticket to travel all over the world. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.320 And and it was something you know, it always felt 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.800 so I don't know, like you're a model, and it 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.240 was like hey, you know, just the sound of it. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.160 But it was fun to sort of be out there 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.359 and meet all these different people. I mean, living in 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.920 Europe for six months, you know, chunks at a time 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.000 and just hopping on trains and jumping all over and 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.440 between jobs. So for me, it gave me the best 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.960 opportunity in the world to travel. It made it very 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.719 difficult for school. I had to drop out of school 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.680 and then go back to school to finish UM because 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.680 being UM, I was a psychobiology major, and so being 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:38.600 on the biology side of it, you know, you have 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.359 these lab practic comes and these things when you go 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:41.680 to the teacher and say, hey, I gotta go do 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.800 a photo shoot and start dinya, is it okay if 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.479 I just missed this test and I'll come back and 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.280 make it up. And she'd be like, no, you're not 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.680 gonna roll around. But I rolled around from the girl 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:57.960 on the beach. Come on us, teachers, just like, only 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.039 if you bring me um that is I agree with you. Though. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.239 Any profession like I was a professional athlete, professional hockey player, 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:10.560 any profession that provides you travel is that's such a blessing, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.760 Like we get to do what we love, get to 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.159 do something that you really enjoy. But then the added 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:21.160 benefit of traveling and seeing different cities, cultures, countries, it's 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.680 such a blessing. So especially at that time in life, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.320 you know, I'm in my twenties, it was amazing. It's 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.560 sort of be free and just jumping all over the 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.240 place and in place I never thought I would go 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.800 in my life. Because you know, modeally will take you 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.520 to random location. Do you have like your go to 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.200 pose and you go to look, do you still have 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.919 a move And there's always a good catalog you know, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:48.159 just hands in the pocket, ah, looking down. We have 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.080 with our you have with us. You guys can't see 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.080 it because you guys are listening in your cars whatever, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.400 but we have with this producer Tori, and Tori just 0:05:54.520 --> 0:06:00.240 melted there when Eric went into these two. And now 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:05.559 she's bussing you. You have like a repertoire. It's funny. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.120 It's a standard joke. And you put you in your 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.200 catalog shooting because you're just standing in front of a 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:11.880 cameron that it's cluick click click click click, and you're 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.320 just wearing the same thing and and you're just jumping 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.520 different poses. You always have like your one two hand 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.960 in the pocket, look down, look up, look besides smile 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:24.400 grin series, Hey, just Rocas looks. It's so shallow, dude. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.320 I never know what I'm doing when I have to 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.320 do like a red carpet and they're like stand like, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.960 I'm like stand here and take a photo. I'm like, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.040 oh my god, Like what am I doing? Gavin Gavin 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.239 Degras always does this one. He shoots the gun, he points, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.120 he puts the figure out, and then it's just like 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:49.120 me laughing at Gavin. We're both insanely awkward. I'm not 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.560 sure why we're why we're on this car, but just 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.240 take a photo of us as we walk by. But 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.680 I always find it weird when um, and you probably 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.840 get this a lot when somebody's like can I take 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.160 a photo of you? And it's not can I take 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.760 a photo with you? It's of you and you're like, um, what, 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.400 you just want to take a photo of me? What 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.000 am I supposed to do here? Yeah? Like you get 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:16.160 in the picture. So we're one thing that drives you mad, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.800 and I can I get it. But like you get 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.440 like fans that will come up to you and they're like, Wow, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.960 where do I know you from? I'm like, well, if 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.240 you don't know that at the point of having this conversation, 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.040 I can't go through a rescue man thing where you 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.360 might know me from somewhere. We got a picture of you. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.080 I know I know you from somewhere. I guess you don't. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.800 I guess you don't. What do you do? What do 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.360 you do? And I said, they just want the photo anyway, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.960 They're just like, yeah, come to me sometime and then 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.600 I'll upload it. And I got a picture with that guy. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.080 Do you get that with sports too, because I mean 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.240 I'm a funding but anything with me and I was 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.520 never and even being in his business as an actor, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.440 I don't get start struck very often with actors. With athletes, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.400 that's like my jam because I'm a frustrating gonna played 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.160 sports my whole life. But I obviously didn't go pro. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.520 That wasn't you know, my destiny to go that far. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.040 But for me, meeting athletes was always like my big 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.920 Oh my god, that's so and so that's you know that. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:17.840 So you know, you deal with the same thing all 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.480 the time, and it's you know, be there like oh 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.360 I love you for this this, you know whatever, you know, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.040 team you're playing out the time or whatever the thing 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:28.200 is in hockey, and it's an awkward and uncomfortable but 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.040 flattering thing all at once. You're doing what you love. 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.640 These people are obsessed with you, dude, as a as 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.520 an athlete, I like fanboy over musicians. Oh really that's 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.360 my life. I that's funny. I love musicians like just 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.600 I think they're so talented and just I love music. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.040 So much music is just it's it's in my soul. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.920 And I played piano, I played drums, I played guitar. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.200 Not well enough to be in a band in any 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.559 of those, but I just I really enjoy those as pastimes. Um. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:03.040 And so every athlete wants to be a musician, and 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.120 every musician that I've got to know over the years 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.920 is like, oh, man, I'd rather be an athlete. You 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.160 what you guys do is so cool. I'm like, come on, man, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.400 we both perform and sold out arenas, but nobody hits 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.200 you guys. You know, like you don't get beat up 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.560 every night, and you get people cheering your name all 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.840 the time, versus half the time we're playing in a 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.480 way arenas and I'm getting booed all night. I was like, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.760 I would rather be a musician. Um. But I also 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.880 think the musicians. And one thing I've always thought was 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:34.600 like that has to be the ultimate platform in a way, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.280 like if you're are on stage, you know, eighty thousand 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:43.000 people or something just singing your song you wrote and 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.160 they're all looking at you and you're a solo act. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.800 I mean that rush of adrenaline of taking a step 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.840 back and being outside your body and going, wow, I 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:56.520 accomplished this. That's pretty wild. Yeah. And what I what 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.480 I like about that profession too, if you look at 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.760 it on the macro, you can be a musician the 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.640 rest of your life. Like, one thing that I really 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.840 miss being on the retired side of professional sport is 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.760 walking into a stadium of like jumping on the ice 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:17.440 with twenty thousand people screaming. I missed the the magnitude 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.480 of a stadium feeling and everybody focused on what you're 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.320 doing on the ice. And as a musician, you can 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.640 do that through your athletes were probably done in our 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.400 thirties most of us, um, and late thirties if you're 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.040 lucky and then but a musician can do at forties, fifties, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.200 sixtiesies like and and that is just such a gift 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.520 to be able to do that. Um. But did you 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.160 did you stopped sports? Have you taken up other sports? 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.559 Like you do? You know so many athletes take to 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.520 golf for it. I think it's like the hardest sport 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.800 for every athlete that they won't have accomplished. You know, golf. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.960 Do you have a thing that you do? I've I've 0:10:55.000 --> 0:11:00.400 taken Yeah, I've taken up CrossFit more seriously because I've 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:04.080 always loved the I've always loved the physical aspect of 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.480 hockey and physical training. I've always loved It's been a 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.600 part of my life since I was thirteen, and so 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.280 I need that in my like for my soul to 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.160 be expressed. I need that intense physical activity and challenge. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.480 And I also just believe in a healthy lifestyle. But 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:22.320 I love cross fit because it's every sort of movement 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.800 there is. You're gonna do powerlifting, Olympic lifting, you're gonna 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.520 do endurance, you're gonna do speed, you're gonna do gymnastics, 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.160 walk on your hand, pull ups, muscle ups like it's 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.160 it's touching on every component of fitness, not just strength 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.160 or not just endurance. And so I love the variety 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.520 of it all the I love the pursuit of what 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.760 the human body can do, and the variety within CrossFit 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.560 is the best that I've ever found, and that's why 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.160 I've fallen in love with that sport. So kind of 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.320 heavy into that and I love it. Um. But I 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.720 I will say um, I am jealous of those who 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:05.960 can adele and those who can act dude, because because truthfully, 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.920 if you ask somebody to model or to take a photo, 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.000 it's very difficult. What I was just speaking of, I 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.640 was like, I don't even know how to stand. But 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.960 even even further to that, acting is one of the 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.640 I think, one of the absolute most difficult professions there 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.760 are to be able to convey. When I think about it, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.680 if I'm going to act, the reason I don't act 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.000 as is I want I can't, but also to like, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.240 I don't know how to get outside of being myself. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.880 I don't know how to mentally put myself into this 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:42.720 mindset and mind frame of being somebody else and then 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:47.000 conveying beliefs and thoughts and emotions as that person when 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.440 I'm not that person, which is what the actors and 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.600 actresses do. And so I tip my cap to you guys, 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.360 my friend. Did you have that natural sort of acting 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.720 ability as in your youth? So did you have to 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.800 develop that as you got older? I it was more 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.199 of a you know, I always think with any profession 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.040 when it gets into like at a professional level, there's 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:12.959 like a gift that you have, whether it's been tapped 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.760 or untapped at whatever point in your life. Right like 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.760 for a pro athlete to make it that far. You 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.000 had it in you. It's just a matter of when 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.240 it was tapped and it expressed itself and came out 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.240 and you fulfilled it and you nailed it. So I 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.760 think I've had aspects of it in my life, but 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.000 I wasn't pursuing it through high school or I was 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.360 never in drama. I was never chasing after it as 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:32.880 a dream. Like where my wife that was what she 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.800 wanted to do her whole life. She knew dance or 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.000 performer her whole life. Um, so I was afid. I 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.960 put sports, hope did all that. I started taking drama 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.280 on colleges for fun, like an elective. Just I needed 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.520 needed an elective. That was it. And as I got 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.559 started modeling, I said, you know what, I want to 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.760 start reading acting book. She started meeting different people are 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.320 doing commercials and doing this at it, so I wanted 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.679 her studying back and looking at those and I started 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.840 taking various classes. And the hardest part is getting out 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.679 of your your own head and getting in your way right, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.160 like trying to clear your mind and ignore everybody that's 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.440 staring at you. Why I would think Peter is one 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.400 of the most difficult of all the acting practices because 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.199 everybody's looking at you. Just live and if you spep 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.960 on you, there's no take too, there's nothing right. Much 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.960 larger crowd than on the set, and uh. I remember 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.120 going through a couple of acting classes and being in 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.840 one in particular where I had like this really heavy 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.760 sort of scene with this girl and it was like 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.640 an early acting class and she had been in it 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.840 longer and we're free with everything, and we're having this 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.240 makeout session on the couch, which is also weird in 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:34.840 front of a lot of people you don't know, and 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.280 we're making out of the couch. She pulls my shirt up, 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.320 struck biting on my nipples on one like, how is 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.920 it happening? And in my mind, I'm going to get 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.280 out of your head, get out of your head. Just 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.880 keep active, just keep active. But I'm going everybody in 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.960 classes staring at her biting on my nipples. So that 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.200 was one of my first experiences. I'm going, Okay, if 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.120 you want to do this, you better start to, you know, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:02.320 remove yourself from the process. And I don't even know, Yeah, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.440 how do you do that? Like how do you even separate? 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.400 Do you separate mind from body? And that or I 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.200 don't know, it's just super weird. When you start enjoying it, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:11.640 you're like, well, it's girls kind of hot and she's 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.120 biting my nipple. But everybody's watching me right now. This 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.960 is even also weirder. So you're trying to like and 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.880 if you're not into it a little bit, then it's 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.520 then you can tell me you're asking right. You kind 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:28.560 of gotta be into it. Oh man, um it is 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.880 a true man, it is a true art though. Like 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.320 but some of the performances you see and most of 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.240 us are probably watching more TV now than than we 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.960 have in a while. But um, I credit you guys, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.400 and because you you're able to convey and make us 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.120 believe that what is going on is real and true 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:51.640 in your life as a performer and being able to 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.320 translate that. Like you said, I think it's maybe easier 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:59.320 to translate that live in theater is maybe easy, but 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.480 you guys translated through digitally through a screen, which I 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.360 think is even more difficult to Um. So I don't know, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.520 just kudo, see man, I have imagine for anybody, any 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.920 honestly truthfuly, any model or anybody that can act, because 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.800 those are very very difficult. Um, professions. Your favorite part 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:24.920 about it the adrenaline rush you definitely get when you're 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.120 getting into a character and putting that character on its 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.480 feet and you're in the performance. That adrenaline that can 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.200 build up in certain roles is the best part about acting. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.640 There's no question when you are becoming that character in 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.680 those moments and you're when you're fully in a scene 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.200 and there's like a thing I call it, you know, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.320 when it clicks, like when it clicks in your mind 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.720 and you're out of what you how you think, and 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:55.760 you're out of the environment and you're in that feelings 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.960 an incredible feeling. So can I ask you a question 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.760 along with that? So that because that for me, I 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.199 agree with everything you're saying and I understand it, but 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.520 I don't I'm not able to make that connection. Like 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.320 for me personally, um, like if I can athlete would 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.359 be like if you're in the zone, like your zone 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.320 as an athlete, and you know, like you're on fire, 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.200 like whatever you're doing that that that game, you're you're 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.400 stopping everybody, you're doing this, you're hitting that goal, hitting 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.640 whatever it's you when you're in a zone, and obviously 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.600 you can have off days, and you can act. You you 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.480 you can have better performances and worst performances, and the 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.640 differences is we could save by an editor who can 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.080 cut it together and make it still look great. Yeah, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.359 you know, it's a flow state. We say it's a 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.800 flow states like that. Yeah, same thing. So, but what 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.080 I want to ask you is how how do you 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.520 make it? How does it become so important to you 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.760 to tell this other story? That's the part where it's 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.760 a disconnect for me. I think that's the one of 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.280 the reasons why I won't ever be an actor is 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.240 I don't have the desire to tell another story aside 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.400 from my own. And maybe I'm a selfish human being 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.719 in that regard, or I just like living my own story. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.399 But what I respect and admire about you guys is 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:14.359 you have the unselfish desire to tell the story of 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.560 another being. And it looks like you, but it's not 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.240 actually technically your life. But you are doing the work, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.960 and so I just want to understand if you can 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.960 eric like, why that's so important to you to tell 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:31.359 this story of this character. So there's there's like two 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.560 fold answer to that. There are those characters where it's 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.680 a personal challenge and the escape from yourself is really fun. So, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:42.840 for example, the role are you doing now on this show? 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.520 The rookie? It's unlike a role I'm not. It's not 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.840 a role I would normally get. It's it's the character 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.720 is very far removed from my personality, my type of 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.480 person everything, And to the point that I had worked 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.440 with these people before, the pilot director and the producing 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.440 you know, the producers, and they didn't think I was 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.000 right for the role. They're like, you're you nice, You're 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.119 two nice a guy, like you're a good guy, and 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.879 you're not this guy. This guy is an asshole. And 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.760 I'm like, mom, I'm my guys, it's acting. I can 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.720 play this role like, this is the challenge, this is 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.720 what I want. So being able to hone in and 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.320 make that character for myself and develop it and you know, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.440 build it out and play this guy that's so far 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.760 removed from who I am. Not necessarily a guy's life 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.040 that I you know, admire, so to speak, but something 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.040 that's still removed from me. I was able to go 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.960 do that and be something I'm not and push myself 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.159 to the ms degree and it paid off. And it 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.919 was like that personal challenge is what made it so 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.840 cool for me. That would be one reason to tell 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.479 that story, right, And then the other the other thing 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.120 is you come across scripts or you come across material 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.719 where you either totally relate to that person as an 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.000 individual or you don't have any idea of what they've 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.439 gone through with their struggles and their life, and you're like, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.240 that is something I would love to share with a 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:03.239 bigger audience because that is so and it's so compelling, Right, 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:08.000 It's so cool to know that that's something I can share. Dude, 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.760 That's that's amazing. I see it. Like I wanted to 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.960 ask you that because I wanted you to like sort 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.840 of change or help me change my perspective on on that. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.280 But that both of those are amazing. My question to 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.440 you is do you do you find with the first one? 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.080 You're playing a character that you don't that isn't naturally you, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.359 You don't agree even possibly with this character. Do you 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.160 find any sort of natural conflict with yourself? Like, oh, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.359 I'm really not proud of this. Like what if your 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.840 character had to you know, had to commit a crime 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.440 or do something completely foul that you were just you, 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:48.120 just in your real life vehemently against. But then your 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.400 career you go and you portray that. Is there any 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:55.520