Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of
Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, hey guys,
Speaker 1: it's thinking sideways. Team Sideways here, um Devin joined by Steve,
Speaker 1: And what do you guys want to talk about to me?
Speaker 1: You know I had that tossed a coin and with
Speaker 1: lamb not his head, so we're kind of screwed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably do something magnificently huge, or just talk about
Speaker 1: the fact that I can't believe that we've made it
Speaker 1: this long. Yeah, we could just pne it in. How
Speaker 1: do we hold it together? It's like it's like almost
Speaker 1: people just haven't caught it on yet and we don't
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. You haven't figured it out,
Speaker 1: Thank you Wikipedia. Well, if you guys want to talk
Speaker 1: about something magnificent or like royally magnificent, should we talk
Speaker 1: about this massive tone that I have in my hands? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is our show notes? Why don't we throw the
Speaker 1: lines open and let's just let people call in with
Speaker 1: their suggestions. Yeah, let's not do that. Okay, we don't
Speaker 1: have a phone. I can't afford it. Yeah, Um, so
Speaker 1: I guess Royal Mystery. Tonight we're going to tackle the
Speaker 1: death of Princess Diana, and we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: about so much why she died, as I don't know
Speaker 1: how she died. It's just like you know who killed her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just the script that's in my hand is a
Speaker 1: good three times longer than normal scripts at least, which
Speaker 1: so get excited. Yeah, ye, get your water bottles, your
Speaker 1: grand ola ours, everybody, go to the bathroom. Go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Now, we're not going to wait. Go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Now, we're not going to stop. Okay, ready,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Diana's personal history for a minute. Okay, quickly, yeah,
Speaker 1: really quick. Nothing about this is going to be quick. Joe, Damn,
Speaker 1: I've already got to go to the bathroom. Diana Spencer
Speaker 1: was born the fourth child of John Spencer and uh
Speaker 1: Frances Kidd on July one, nineteen sixty one. She was
Speaker 1: one of four children five, but she had a brother
Speaker 1: who died as an infant before she was born. Her
Speaker 1: father was named the eighth Earl of Spencer in ninety five,
Speaker 1: which made Diana Lady Diana at the age of fourteen.
Speaker 1: How cool would that be? Right? Her family was part
Speaker 1: of the aristocracy pretty much in any way you define it.
Speaker 1: The Spencers had been really closely allied with the Royal
Speaker 1: family for a very long time, and as one of
Speaker 1: our experts put it, they were quote pals, but quote
Speaker 1: highly orchestrated pals, the Spencer family and the Royal family.
Speaker 1: What exactly does that mean? Yeah, it means that they. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of planning went into the relationship in the two.
Speaker 1: Also fun fact, Winston Churchill is apparently a blood relative
Speaker 1: of Diana. Anyways, Diana had a pretty privileged and curated upbringing,
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you can imagine. Her godfather was the
Speaker 1: chairman of Christie's, which you guys know, right, Christie's auction house. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her godmother was the niece of the Queen Mother. What
Speaker 1: I never have been able to figure that out? What
Speaker 1: exactly is the Queen mother? She's the queen Mother is
Speaker 1: the mom of the reigning monarch. So she's the mom
Speaker 1: of Elizabeth, right, Elizabeth is the queen is the monarch
Speaker 1: right now, so she's she's Elizabeth Elizabeth's mom. Okay, got it? Okay? That? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just so much royal intrigue and how the systems
Speaker 1: are set up. Yeah, I talked to a lot of experts.
Speaker 1: I know you did, and I read a lot of
Speaker 1: those didn't help me. Yeah, it was pretty helpful, but
Speaker 1: I was still confused because I'm just a dummy about
Speaker 1: these things. Diana was a shy child. She took an
Speaker 1: interest in music and dancing, and again, unsurprisingly trained in
Speaker 1: classical ballet. Apparently Diana also had an interest in children,
Speaker 1: as in raising children and taking care of children, schooling them,
Speaker 1: schooling them kind of. Yeah. She attended an all girls
Speaker 1: boarding school, which I understand is typical of the monarchy aristocracy.
Speaker 1: She's not part of. Well. Yeah, and it turns out
Speaker 1: she wasn't a great student. She failed her O levels
Speaker 1: A k A Ordinary levels twice, which is kind of
Speaker 1: like failing your G E. D. In the US. It's
Speaker 1: like it's basically high school high school equivalent. Yeah. She
Speaker 1: was an accomplished artist, however, and she excelled in music. Uh.
Speaker 1: And she was apparently an accomplished pianist as well. She
Speaker 1: was a talented ballerina, but things that I never knew. Yeah, frankly,
Speaker 1: I never paid attention to her when she was a lot.
Speaker 1: Of course she didn't. Yeah, she was also a very
Speaker 1: talented ballerina, like I said, but she was very tall,
Speaker 1: which apparently is a thing that you can be. You
Speaker 1: can be too tall to be a ballerina. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that. I thought all ballerinas were supposed to be
Speaker 1: tall and skinny. But maybe it's because you've got to
Speaker 1: be a little little em petite so the other of
Speaker 1: the guy I can pick you up and trol you
Speaker 1: around and guests. Yeah, maybe I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: could go off on this for hours, but I just won't.
Speaker 1: You could erina, Yes, I traded classically. When she was seventeen,
Speaker 1: she managed to score job as a nanny for the
Speaker 1: daughter of major and his wife. Diana was close friends
Speaker 1: with the brother of the major's wife, so it seems
Speaker 1: that's probably how she got connected. She just knew some people.
Speaker 1: This is a always the thing that gets me when
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot like did you guys ever watch
Speaker 1: that movie Spaceballs in the nineties, I was your brother's
Speaker 1: cousin's college roommate, Like this is this is always what
Speaker 1: it makes me think of, Well, I knew your brother's
Speaker 1: sister's mother's cousin. Just always so very very connected. Yes,
Speaker 1: connected is a better way to say that these kind
Speaker 1: of connections. Yeah. A year later she moved into her
Speaker 1: mom's flat in London, and then on her eighteenth birthday,
Speaker 1: her father purchased a flat of her own for about
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand pounds. Getting a flat in London for
Speaker 1: a hundred pounds these days, yeah right, no chance. She
Speaker 1: worked a few different jobs, most of them were with children,
Speaker 1: and she was always noted to have had a really
Speaker 1: strong community spirit and a deep love for teaching children.
Speaker 1: In seventy seven, just prior to moving to London, Diana
Speaker 1: met her older sister's boyfriend, Charles Boy Yep, Charles, Yes,
Speaker 1: Prince Charles. Yeah, so Prince Charles like dating just two
Speaker 1: of the I think there were three. In nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: Diana happened to be at the same quote country weekend
Speaker 1: event and she watched him play polo, which apparently was
Speaker 1: his thing. Oh yeah, the watching of the polo. I
Speaker 1: mean he liked to play polo. Ladies watching him play polo.
Speaker 1: That's how he met his girlfriend's I was gonna say, Devin,
Speaker 1: I know you're not old enough probably to remember this,
Speaker 1: but Joe does. As I remember seeing all kinds of
Speaker 1: footage of Charles in the eighties always playing polo, and
Speaker 1: it's always and he was he was on the horse,
Speaker 1: and then he was getting off the horse, and it
Speaker 1: was always polo, Polo, polo with that guy that was
Speaker 1: that's that's the royal sport. Yeah, Paul is cool, by
Speaker 1: the way. But it looks it looks almost impossible. It
Speaker 1: looks harder than yeah. Um, I I think, And I've
Speaker 1: read a few accounts that say that this is actually
Speaker 1: a better cover story than the truth of how they
Speaker 1: actually met. And they actually met drinking at a friend's apartment.
Speaker 1: I thought, Alley, Oh no no. After a really brief courtship,
Speaker 1: Charles proposed to Diana. They were engaged for five months
Speaker 1: before their wedding, and now they've broken up. They broken up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: According to some sources, Diana and Charles both knew the
Speaker 1: marriage was doomed pretty much from the start. For her part,
Speaker 1: Diana had found out about Camilla, who is widely accepted
Speaker 1: as charles Is first and only true love and is
Speaker 1: in fact his current wife. She was married to someone
Speaker 1: else when he married Diana, and we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: And Charles found out that Diana was quote a vulnerable,
Speaker 1: complicated woman already suffering from an eating disorder unquote. So
Speaker 1: basically he realized that she was like a real human woman,
Speaker 1: not the quote jolly country girl that he thought her
Speaker 1: to be. That's that's a route awakening for any man
Speaker 1: to realize that he's dating a real woman with feelings
Speaker 1: and things. I don't date women like that. I know,
Speaker 1: you don't know. I never understood why that was that
Speaker 1: that had to be Why do women have to have feelings?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sorry, we got programmed. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: did go through with the marriage, however, despite both of
Speaker 1: them kind of having to be coerced into doing it.
Speaker 1: She was twenty two and he was thirty three, and
Speaker 1: it was a huge event. Billions of people watched this,
Speaker 1: which these days I guess is not so big a deal.
Speaker 1: But in the you know, eighties, that was like a
Speaker 1: huge ordeal. Where was it like Westminster Cathedra or something
Speaker 1: like that. Did you guys watch the wedding? I mean
Speaker 1: recently I saw a few pictures of it, and I
Speaker 1: just said, I want to have a wedding there. I
Speaker 1: want to have my wedding there. That's really cool. I
Speaker 1: remember seeing stuff about it when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and then I skimmed through some of the footage and
Speaker 1: it is so amazingly lavish. Yeah. Well, did you see
Speaker 1: the more recent wedding, more recent, way more recent wedding
Speaker 1: of Prince William and Kate Middleton. I think I remember
Speaker 1: seeing stuff. It was the same thing. It was pretty big,
Speaker 1: wasn't that where there was the whole scandal of big hats.
Speaker 1: All the ladies were like trying to do each other
Speaker 1: with the bigger and bigger hats. Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 1: There was an awesome meme where two of the ladies
Speaker 1: looked exactly like the wicked step sisters from Cella. Yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 1: back to what the point at hand is. Diana and
Speaker 1: Charles managed to pop out two lovely princes pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: one Prince William that we were just talking about, and
Speaker 1: one Prince Harry, the dreamy. By all accounts, the boys
Speaker 1: just totally adored her and she was a hugely successful mother.
Speaker 1: She and Charles did separate in the nineties. It seems
Speaker 1: it was mutual, and they finally divorced on August. Diana
Speaker 1: did a man named Hasnot Cohn, who was a British
Speaker 1: Pakistani heart surgeon, and many people close to Diana said
Speaker 1: that he was the love of her life. He broke
Speaker 1: up with her right well, it's unclear. They dated for
Speaker 1: two years. And during the inquest that we're going to
Speaker 1: talk a whole lot about in a little bit here,
Speaker 1: he was actually interviewed and he said that she broke
Speaker 1: up with him in a park very suddenly. But a
Speaker 1: lot of friends said that she told them that he
Speaker 1: had broken up with her, and it's not quite clear
Speaker 1: why they broke up or anything. Stuff that said that
Speaker 1: that he broke it off because they dated based a
Speaker 1: lot of it was kind of secret. It was a
Speaker 1: secret was a secret because he didn't want it to
Speaker 1: be He didn't want the paparazzi and he didn't want
Speaker 1: the publicity, and he didn't want to deal with all
Speaker 1: of that. So it was, Hey, come over and have
Speaker 1: a pizza and a beer and we'll watch a movie
Speaker 1: and whatever happens happens. And we do this all the time.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to make this an official thing
Speaker 1: and be out in public because I don't want all
Speaker 1: these people bothering me. That's that's what I read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would drive a wedge and just about any relationship.
Speaker 1: But apparently most people say that he was the love
Speaker 1: of her life, so it was pretty heartbreaking when they
Speaker 1: broke up for her, at least despite whoever broke it
Speaker 1: off with whoever. But within a month of her breakup
Speaker 1: with con she began dating Doughty Fayed, And that's where
Speaker 1: we're going to leave her story for the moment. I
Speaker 1: think where we're gonna go from here is we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some of the players in the story,
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of players and we should
Speaker 1: probably talk about them so people have a frame of reference,
Speaker 1: because I think we've made the mistake in the past
Speaker 1: of presuming that everybody knew who everybody was, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna make sure we cover the basis. First off, we
Speaker 1: have Prince Charles, who is not Chuck. His full name
Speaker 1: and title is Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales.
Speaker 1: Charles is the first and oldest son of Queen Elizabeth
Speaker 1: and Prince Philip, both of whom will talk about in
Speaker 1: a minute. And like we just said, he married Diana.
Speaker 1: But Charles was born in and he is the heir
Speaker 1: apparent to the British crown. If you don't know what
Speaker 1: the air apparent means it is the next in line.
Speaker 1: So yes, so it's the you know, there's the president
Speaker 1: in the United States and the vice president vice friend
Speaker 1: is the next in line, so it's the same same concept,
Speaker 1: it's just a different term. Yes, Charles still in good
Speaker 1: standing as apparent, though he is still listed when I
Speaker 1: was in the official websites for the crown, he's still
Speaker 1: listed as the heir apparent, so I have to presume
Speaker 1: that it hasn't passed on to his son then, and
Speaker 1: then it's the William's son, correct, Yeah, And then yes,
Speaker 1: and then their daughter who they just recently had, So
Speaker 1: it's it's Charles and then William and then his son
Speaker 1: and then the daughter, so that now we're one to three,
Speaker 1: four levels deep. And then it's Prince Harry. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you absolutely have a thing about Prince Harry, because
Speaker 1: every time I mentioned him in my notes, I found
Speaker 1: in parentheses so dreamy written next to it. I wrote
Speaker 1: that he's dreaming. I'm sorry, I'll try very hard not
Speaker 1: to belabor that point. But was it Harry or was
Speaker 1: it Philip? I thought it was Harry that served in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that Harry? Recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe it is. Yes, But but let's let's get back
Speaker 1: to Charles, because we're way off course. We got so dreamy.
Speaker 1: We got to get back into this. That's okay, Like
Speaker 1: I said, like I was saying, no apparent, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: has been the heir apparent since nineteen fifty two, so
Speaker 1: since he was four years old when his mother because
Speaker 1: at that time his mother took the crowd and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute. Being air apparent of
Speaker 1: course put him in the spotlight his entire life. He's always,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's taking his photo and talking about Charles.
Speaker 1: One thing that the royal family really wanted was for
Speaker 1: Charles to settle down and Mary, and I've read that
Speaker 1: he made a conscious decision. He said he didn't want
Speaker 1: to get married until he was in his thirties. I
Speaker 1: didn't come across that particular, but that doesn't that doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. Yeah, I gather his family was not super
Speaker 1: excited about that. Well. No, I was reading something that
Speaker 1: from the age of twenty one or twenty two he
Speaker 1: was getting suggestions of possible wives and saying, go court
Speaker 1: this woman and try and get her hand. In marriage,
Speaker 1: so this was a very big pressure for him. Then
Speaker 1: at the same time, he was probably thinking that I'm
Speaker 1: rich and it's like the sixties seventies, and I'm getting
Speaker 1: lots of you know what, well, because I I don't
Speaker 1: even think it's that. It's just I'm a young man
Speaker 1: and I'd like to enjoy myself before I settled down,
Speaker 1: and he has the means to do that, which is
Speaker 1: totally understandable. Of course. Like I said before, he had
Speaker 1: a string of girlfriends, and we briefly talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: was that one of those women was a woman named
Speaker 1: Camilla Shand who eventually would become known as Camilla Parker Bowls.
Speaker 1: She is regarded as the love of his life. He
Speaker 1: was head over heels for her. He wanted to marry
Speaker 1: her from stuff that I've read, but he never worked
Speaker 1: up to nerve in time to propose, and by the
Speaker 1: time he did, I think he he went on a
Speaker 1: voyage somewhere and he decided he was going to do it,
Speaker 1: and by the time he got back, she had already
Speaker 1: been proposed to by another man. He proposed at that
Speaker 1: point she said no, I'm I'm marrying him, and Charles
Speaker 1: lost out and that was that was the end of
Speaker 1: it for him at that point. Settling isn't the right word,
Speaker 1: but he seems to have settled upon Diana as what
Speaker 1: the family said would be a good match based on
Speaker 1: what everybody was telling him. She was a good looking girl,
Speaker 1: and she was young, she was good with children, She
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly you know, she was humanitarian, but not particularly ambitious.
Speaker 1: You know, she came from a good family. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure she was very smart though she I don't
Speaker 1: think she was. I think she was an exceptionally kind woman,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that she she was going to
Speaker 1: write great volumes of you know, groundbreaking works. But I
Speaker 1: mean that that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: Charles never got over Camilla, and he is reported to
Speaker 1: have on the night before his marriage, his marriage to Diana,
Speaker 1: he got cold feet and he said, I can't do it,
Speaker 1: and he got pushed, and he obviously eventually went forward
Speaker 1: with it and he did get married. What was the
Speaker 1: quote he was wailing, I can't go through with it. Yes,
Speaker 1: the night before, Yeah, and I could just see the
Speaker 1: queen just like smacking him upside the head, or she
Speaker 1: was hitting with the glove. The Quarries are parking at him,
Speaker 1: like three or four, Cory's attacking him. Well regardless, I
Speaker 1: think we've hit on this once already. But it's pretty
Speaker 1: obvious to this point that it's basically a loveless marriage
Speaker 1: and that would be the kind of the fuel for
Speaker 1: what drove their divorce. Well, well, yeah, amongst other not
Speaker 1: so great behaviors on his part, but yeah, part at all. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not pointing a finger at Charles. They both
Speaker 1: agreed to this marriage. They both went in it, probably
Speaker 1: with reservations in my mind, so I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say one is more guilty for its failure than the other.
Speaker 1: Charles was always painted it's a bad guy by the tabloids.
Speaker 1: But you know, the tabloids are mostly read by women,
Speaker 1: so it's inevitable that you know, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's a guy. Charles got caught first play in the field,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that something later. But
Speaker 1: eventually Diana got caught too, so it was only it
Speaker 1: was he got caught with his hand in the cookie
Speaker 1: jart first. That's why he's the bad guy. But we're
Speaker 1: going to move away from Charles for a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's move away from Charles personal prominently. I don't think
Speaker 1: we need to talk about him again. Well we do.
Speaker 1: The next person we're going to talk about is the Queen,
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth the second Yep. I think everybody kind of
Speaker 1: has a good mental picture of the Queens, this kindly,
Speaker 1: grandmotherly lady who, as we said before, loves gloves and corgis,
Speaker 1: and she rules over one of the largest countries in
Speaker 1: Europe when you take into account all of its overseas territory.
Speaker 1: Large it's insane. There's places on this list. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that we're still technically part of Britain, Like, what
Speaker 1: is it. We've got the British Virgin Islands, Okay, that
Speaker 1: makes sense, Bermuda, uh Cypress, the Cayman Islands, Gibraltar. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize all those places were still technically under the
Speaker 1: British flag, whether they're semi or fully independent or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a huge list, so yes it is. There is
Speaker 1: a huge chunk of territory that they own. But let's
Speaker 1: let's go back to to Elizabeth. She took the throne,
Speaker 1: as I talked about just a second ago in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty two when her father, King George the sixth, passed away.
Speaker 1: If anybody wants to know about King George the six
Speaker 1: just watched the movie The King's Speech really not really,
Speaker 1: not the best documentary. It's not a documentary, but it's
Speaker 1: got a lot of great foul language in British. It's
Speaker 1: got a lot of good it is. I never bothered
Speaker 1: watching it. The soundtrack was phenomenal. Yes, yeah, Well, George
Speaker 1: the six passed away, his daughter took the throne officially.
Speaker 1: It was a year I think it was a year
Speaker 1: later she officially ascended to the throne. I can't remember
Speaker 1: what the wranglings were that delated a background check. I think, well,
Speaker 1: she she did take the throne, and she is as
Speaker 1: of today, she is the longest lived monarch in Britain,
Speaker 1: and if she lives past the ninth of September of
Speaker 1: this year, she will become the longest ruling monarch in
Speaker 1: British history. In history, in history. This lady. She's old.
Speaker 1: She's been around a while, and medical science has improved
Speaker 1: a bit since the other kings were around. She doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be showing any signs of giving up anytime
Speaker 1: soon either. Well, and just here's here's a little bit.
Speaker 1: So you're thinking, well, how old is she. She's born
Speaker 1: in that's a long time ago. She she's eighty nine
Speaker 1: years old. Actually by the by today's standards, that's not
Speaker 1: really that old. But as a ruling monarch, that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing. But as you said, medical science has changed.
Speaker 1: So back in the day, was you ate a bad
Speaker 1: piece of fish and you died. You went to battle
Speaker 1: and it was a badly, poorly played battle. But she's
Speaker 1: never gone to battle. Queen's didn't usually go to battle
Speaker 1: that much. But anyways, look, yeah, which she's actually lived through.
Speaker 1: She lived through two World Wars and countless conflicts that
Speaker 1: her country has been in. So I mean, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1: One World War. She was alive for two World Wars. No,
Speaker 1: she wasn't. She was born in twenty six. You're right,
Speaker 1: because it was nineteen nineteen. Wow. I almost completely blew that.
Speaker 1: My grandma's ninety seven. So it's fine, you're just thinking
Speaker 1: of her, that's your rights. Yeah, because your grandmother loves Corgis.
Speaker 1: That's how I got it mixed up. It's easy to do. Okay, Well, Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: like I said, born in ninety six. She married in
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven Prince Philip, and besides Prince Charles, she
Speaker 1: had three other children, who are Princess Anne, Prince Andrew,
Speaker 1: and Prince Edward. I'm gonna talk a little bit about Queen,
Speaker 1: but I don't know exactly how to put this. I've
Speaker 1: heard different accounts. Either she as sharp as attack and
Speaker 1: she has her finger in every pie and major dealing
Speaker 1: that is going on, and she knows what's happening, or
Speaker 1: she is very disconnected and she is a complete and
Speaker 1: utter figurehead at this point. I don't know which is true,
Speaker 1: but there's there's always accounts both ways. But you know,
Speaker 1: the woman's been in you know, she's had the crow
Speaker 1: the throne for so long. There's so much stuff, And
Speaker 1: I will say the same thing for her as I
Speaker 1: will for Prince Philip. We're about to talk about. It's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many things that you can just dig up. Well,
Speaker 1: she didn't pay attention to this, and she was deeply
Speaker 1: involved in that. So I don't know what's true and
Speaker 1: what's not. Probably not the mystery we're tackling her, Thank God. No,
Speaker 1: we're talking about murder, not the Queen murder. Ye all right,
Speaker 1: well speaking murder, No, not really. Let's talk about Prince Philip,
Speaker 1: whose official title is Duke of Edinburgh. Prince Philip, did
Speaker 1: we say it right? Sorry, I'm sorry, I hope we did.
Speaker 1: Prince Philip was born in n and just like the Queen,
Speaker 1: he's got a longest lived title. He is the longest
Speaker 1: lives spouse of a British monarch, and he is also
Speaker 1: the oldest living member of the royal family because he's
Speaker 1: ninety two. Yeah, okay, I was like, that doesn't make sense. No,
Speaker 1: he's ninety four years old at this point. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit different because from the rest of the House
Speaker 1: of Windsor, which is what Charles and Elizabeth are there
Speaker 1: officially the House of Windsor. He married into the family,
Speaker 1: so he is from the Royal House of Glucksbourg, which
Speaker 1: is it's a house that has branches in Norway, Greece
Speaker 1: and Denmark, so it's not anchored so much in the
Speaker 1: way I can understand it directly in Britain. It's more
Speaker 1: of those outlying territories. Yeah. I've never really quite kind
Speaker 1: of understood exactly how it is. The royalty in Europe
Speaker 1: could like trade places. You know, it's like, oh, we
Speaker 1: needed the king, so we're gonna import came from Germany
Speaker 1: because and that's that's it. I I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna try to explain it because I can't wrap
Speaker 1: my hands around it. But the thing is, he was
Speaker 1: born born royal team. He was born in Greece, which
Speaker 1: at that time was in the process of a revolution,
Speaker 1: and his father was a you know, a royal there.
Speaker 1: His family was forced to leave Greece when he was
Speaker 1: a year old. So there's the stories of him as
Speaker 1: a baby in a bread basket being put on a
Speaker 1: ship with everybody else. Of course there is is that
Speaker 1: not great pr or what? Yeah? And of course somebody
Speaker 1: swapped baskets, don't they replaced him with a vampire? Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's no. Uh. So let's go ahead and talk about
Speaker 1: the courtship between Philip and Elizabeth. When he was courting
Speaker 1: Eliza with he I don't know if he had to
Speaker 1: or if he voluntarily did this, but he gave up
Speaker 1: his royal titles in both Denmark and Greece, and he
Speaker 1: became a naturalized British citizen, which makes sense because if
Speaker 1: you're going to marry a woman who's gonna be the queen,
Speaker 1: you should be a naturalized citizen of that country. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want that conflict of interest either. And I
Speaker 1: know I just kind of said this a little bit
Speaker 1: about Elizabeth, but I've seen the same things about Philip
Speaker 1: is that he is, while kind of a cranky old sod,
Speaker 1: he's really just a benevolent guy and he's an old
Speaker 1: man and everything's fine with him too. He is a conniving, manipulative,
Speaker 1: mean guy who will do whatever he wants, and the
Speaker 1: same thing they've been off or they've been on the crown,
Speaker 1: on the throne for so long, I can see either way,
Speaker 1: because they're just gonna be so many interactions. You thinking
Speaker 1: that maybe he's conniving him mean enough to order the
Speaker 1: murder of a princess. I don't. You don't know that
Speaker 1: that that doesn't make sense to me. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: get that later. We're going to totally get there. Let's
Speaker 1: move forward, though, to the next set of players that
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about, because I know we're gonna
Speaker 1: break up some of this so that we don't have
Speaker 1: to hear me drowning on this because I'm already getting
Speaker 1: bored hearing like, why don't you talking about the coreges
Speaker 1: the last one, the last two players that we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about, who really they're not direct players, but
Speaker 1: they're Diana's children. So there's Prince William, whose official title
Speaker 1: is Prince William, Duke of Cambridge. He was born in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. And then there is Prince Henry of
Speaker 1: Wales and he was born in night. So there's two
Speaker 1: about two years. There's about two year and a half,
Speaker 1: two years between the boys. Daniel Devon um um. But
Speaker 1: I mean, well, probably as we talked about, they know
Speaker 1: William because he had a son two years ago and
Speaker 1: or three years ago, and then they just had the
Speaker 1: new daughter just as the time that we're recording this,
Speaker 1: that happened like a week and a half ago to
Speaker 1: be super super recent. I don't really pay attention to
Speaker 1: the British royal family at all. When Diana died, the
Speaker 1: boys were respectively fifteen and twelve, So williams fifteen, Henry
Speaker 1: was twelve. I know they walked in the royal procession
Speaker 1: with the coffin, and they don't play any direct role
Speaker 1: in our story. They're more what I think we would
Speaker 1: refer to sometimes is kind of collateral damage because they're
Speaker 1: the ones who have to pay the price for everything
Speaker 1: that happened, whether regardless of what happened. Yeah. Um, there's
Speaker 1: a very cute little quote, not that it pertains to
Speaker 1: a story so much. I think I know where you're going.
Speaker 1: The little story of when Diane Anna and Charles got divorced.
Speaker 1: She was stripped of her what's called the style, which
Speaker 1: is the her most royal highness. Right, she's still Diana,
Speaker 1: Princess of Wales, and Lady Diana would still be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's no longer her most royal Highness or her
Speaker 1: royal Highness. I could live with that. And so she
Speaker 1: was stripped of that, and William, trying to comfort his mom,
Speaker 1: kind of comes over and you know, pats around the
Speaker 1: shoulder and says, don't worry Mom, when I'm king, I'll
Speaker 1: give it back to you. So cute. Oh Mummy, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's cute. I just think it's cute. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an absolute, totally a thing that
Speaker 1: an adolescent, pre adolescent boy would say to comfort a parrot.
Speaker 1: I also think it speaks volumes of you know, kind
Speaker 1: of it's this is their tragedy, and we don't want
Speaker 1: to belittle that. No, absolutely not. And I think that's
Speaker 1: something to point out here, is that we're going to
Speaker 1: go into a lot about the family and a lot
Speaker 1: about different people, and I don't I don't want anybody
Speaker 1: to lose sight of the fact that we understand that
Speaker 1: three people died and that's a tragedy. These boys lost
Speaker 1: their mother and that's a tragedy. So we're we're not
Speaker 1: going to dismiss that. But we've got to talk about
Speaker 1: We've got to get into some of these things because
Speaker 1: that's just that's the nature of the beast, Like we
Speaker 1: have to dig down and find a little justice for day,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, somebody got away with murder. I think,
Speaker 1: all right, we're going to wrap up the players here.
Speaker 1: We've got two more people to talk about. There they
Speaker 1: are the five heads. Dot Id was the younger the two.
Speaker 1: He was a son of Mohammad Alfad dot I Fad
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen in the Egypt. It was the
Speaker 1: son of a billionaire named Mohammed al Fayed. He went
Speaker 1: to fancy schools in Europe. After school, he served as
Speaker 1: an attache at the U a embassy in London, being
Speaker 1: United Arab Emirates. He worked as a film producer for
Speaker 1: a while. I assume bank rolling films with dad's money.
Speaker 1: But something you've actually heard of some of these films
Speaker 1: Chariots of Fire f x f X two hook was
Speaker 1: scarlet letter hook. The scarlett wasn't a scarlet letter the
Speaker 1: one with any more. Oh, I don't know. I never
Speaker 1: saw that, never saw either the cliff notes of that book.
Speaker 1: Why would I watch the movie? Actually, that's one of
Speaker 1: the books that I actually managed to make it through
Speaker 1: topic here the He also worked for Herod's in London.
Speaker 1: You guys have heard of Harrods and The Times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty huge. By the way, his dad bought Herod's.
Speaker 1: So yeah, being a rich guy enabled dad to do
Speaker 1: really cool stuff like hanging out on a two point
Speaker 1: goat in the Mediterranean. The Princess of Wales. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how cool would that be? Yeah? Doughty actually met Prince
Speaker 1: Charles and Princess diet way back in a polo tournament.
Speaker 1: After checking that divorced in ninety six, I started dating
Speaker 1: around and eventually started dating Doughty, which I think I
Speaker 1: think it was about July n seven. They were only
Speaker 1: dating for I think like forty seven days long at all,
Speaker 1: not long. Yeah, and of course um Doughty died that
Speaker 1: night with Diana. Yeah. His dad, Mohammed Alfa had was
Speaker 1: born in Egypt uh and married Samira Kashogi, who was
Speaker 1: a sister of Odd Nakashoki. You guys are probably heard
Speaker 1: about his big major Saudi arms dealer. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: that guy I did a lot of other stuff too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so so Dodi was the nephew of Odd Nakashoki.
Speaker 1: I guess interesting, huh. But yeah, but they were only
Speaker 1: together two years. They only had one child. Later on,
Speaker 1: Alfa Mohammed remarried and had four other kids, but that
Speaker 1: was the only child by this woman. Uh Alfa had
Speaker 1: founded a shipping company in Egypt, moved to Genoa, Italy.
Speaker 1: In the sixties, he moved to London, fell in with
Speaker 1: the Amir of Dubai and luckily big for him, big
Speaker 1: things were happening in Dubai that he got in right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when Dubai found oil, that region found oil and so
Speaker 1: suddenly started booming. Yeah, Dubai actually doesn't have a huge
Speaker 1: amount of oil, it sol, but they're kind of like
Speaker 1: the Hong Kong of the Middle East, and so that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of shipping through the everything comes through
Speaker 1: a lot of financial transactions there. Yeah, I knew there
Speaker 1: was something like yeah. Yeah, so it's they're extremely wealthy.
Speaker 1: Lots of imported camels too, yeah, true, he's laughing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they import their camels, yeah, really laughing, Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1: So he was involved with all kinds of different business dealings.
Speaker 1: He was worth well well in access of a billion
Speaker 1: dollars and when when when that meant something crazy and
Speaker 1: still now, but when that was insane? Yeah exactly. There
Speaker 1: weren't that many billionaires back and back in the way. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, he also bought the Ritz Hotel in
Speaker 1: Paris in seventy nine, which is kind of where a
Speaker 1: story begins, it does a little bit. Yeah, the Ritz Hotel,
Speaker 1: not not in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, that's an odd
Speaker 1: bit of wayback machine. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, at the
Speaker 1: Ritz Hotel and all originated their Doughtie and Diana were
Speaker 1: there on actually on Saturday August, So I guess a
Speaker 1: few years after bought the hotel, Princess Diana arrived in
Speaker 1: Paris with her then boyfriend, as we mentioned, Doughty fay
Speaker 1: Ed via private jet. As we mentioned Alpha Ed Mohammed
Speaker 1: Mohammed Alpha Ed, which is Doughtie's father, owns the Ritz
Speaker 1: Hotel and Diana and Dodie planned to spend the night there.
Speaker 1: They had spent the nine proceding days and nights together
Speaker 1: as well. Um, kind of just bumming around. I believe
Speaker 1: they were on a ship right there, on a freaking yacht,
Speaker 1: super yacht. Yeah, kind of kind of the head of
Speaker 1: security on RE Paul, right, We've seen it both ways.
Speaker 1: It's French, so I think it's on RE, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people say it's Henry. Um, we'll probably just
Speaker 1: call him Paul, Mr Paul. Yeah. He had been instructed
Speaker 1: to drive Doughty and Diana in a rented black Mercedes
Speaker 1: Benz from the hotel to an apartment that Offayette also
Speaker 1: owned in town, since the paparazzi were becoming kind of
Speaker 1: a huge issue and the couple wanted some privacy, which
Speaker 1: I think is totally understandable. I guess we kind of
Speaker 1: just I just kind of ran with this. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I've had an energy drink. I'm sorry everybody, I'm ready
Speaker 1: for it. Uh, we're talking about the crash, the overview
Speaker 1: of the crash, and the night, the night that Doughty,
Speaker 1: Diana and uh Mr Paul on Re died. We're not
Speaker 1: talking about players anymore. We're in the story. Yes, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just excited about this. I'm so sorry. Finally, after
Speaker 1: months of research, tell our story for real. Though, a
Speaker 1: decoy car left the hotel just prior to the real car,
Speaker 1: which was meant to distract most of the paparazzi. It's
Speaker 1: I think it did. Actually, there were quite a few
Speaker 1: of many of them, many most of them, most of
Speaker 1: them at t am so. I guess it's August thirty
Speaker 1: one now. Dodi and Diana departed by the rental car
Speaker 1: driven by Ri, who many report had been drinking that
Speaker 1: night but may and may have been taking some prescription
Speaker 1: pills that would have impaired his ability to react quickly,
Speaker 1: like you know, you'd want your driver to be able
Speaker 1: to do. And we will talk about that is really
Speaker 1: deep and in fairness to Tonri that he actually got
Speaker 1: maybe you're gonna talk about this, but he actually got
Speaker 1: off duty at seven pm. Yeah, and then and then
Speaker 1: was basically called back by Doughty who existed that he
Speaker 1: be the driver. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not as though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that we were gonna we were the
Speaker 1: timeline had been brought up at any point for later on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it said there's a three three and a
Speaker 1: half hour gap between him getting off shift and suddenly
Speaker 1: being back at work. Yea, yeah, yeah, so it's reasonable
Speaker 1: that he could have had a drink or two as
Speaker 1: he would want after work. Probably sure. A member of
Speaker 1: the Fayed family security team named Trevor Rhys Jones was
Speaker 1: also in the car. He was actually uh, he actually
Speaker 1: survived the crash. Yes, he was in the front with
Speaker 1: reading and then Diana and Dodi were in the back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I have conflict conflicting reports about whether or not
Speaker 1: he was wearing a seatbelt. I have to Yeah, but
Speaker 1: his airbag did go off, So his airbag did go off,
Speaker 1: And again he may or may not have been having
Speaker 1: wearing a seatbelt. It's unclear nobody else in the in
Speaker 1: the car was wearing a seatbelt. So he was in
Speaker 1: the front passenger seat on Ria was driving, and Diana
Speaker 1: and Dodi were in the back seats. Despite the decoy car,
Speaker 1: many paparazzi paparazzo. Paparazzi's. Yes, paparazzi were still managed to
Speaker 1: realize that this was the real car, and we're following
Speaker 1: this car. Reports vary, but it's possible that Diana was not,
Speaker 1: in fact actually sitting in the seat like you would
Speaker 1: actually sit in a car seat. Some reports say that
Speaker 1: she was actually like kneeling backwards in the seat, so
Speaker 1: her her knees and legs and shins would have been
Speaker 1: on the floor of the back passenger, so her feet
Speaker 1: were underneath under the underneath the front seat, and that
Speaker 1: she was like leaning over the seat where you would
Speaker 1: usually put your bottom right. Is that a good description
Speaker 1: of that? And and that was because of the paparazzi.
Speaker 1: She was trying to not be photographed. And I guess
Speaker 1: you would kind of feel, you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: get wedged in there, that would feel kind of safe.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it was a good decision. Well, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen people do that where they crawl
Speaker 1: into the floorboard of a car to avoid photographers, and
Speaker 1: it never fails. Somebody takes a picture of him peeking
Speaker 1: up out of the floor well, looking like a ding
Speaker 1: dong with that deer in the headlights look and it's like, I, men,
Speaker 1: just sit in your seat and hold your jacket up
Speaker 1: so they can't see you and be comfortable. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but it was also a long ways to be sitting
Speaker 1: in that position. Yeah, it was. It was a while.
Speaker 1: So Henri was driving pretty fast. We'll talk about this minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly how, we don't know how fast,
Speaker 1: but definitely faster than the suggested what thirty five a
Speaker 1: lot faster than that, definitely at least twice as fast,
Speaker 1: probably more. And right before he entered an underpass, or
Speaker 1: right as he entered an underpassed he lost control of
Speaker 1: the car. And we'll talk about why in a minute. Yeah, somebody,
Speaker 1: uh is coming actually out of the underpass? Did you
Speaker 1: go in the other direction? And at the in the
Speaker 1: inquest actually reported that he was speeding in at a
Speaker 1: high speed and he appeared to be veering to his left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unknown reasons. Yeah, so we don't know. There's a lot
Speaker 1: about this that we don't know. So I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: kind of go, yeah, this is fact that no happen.
Speaker 1: We know he lost control of the car. Yes, for why,
Speaker 1: we don't know, but we know he lost lost control
Speaker 1: of the car. He swerved kind of into the oncoming lanes,
Speaker 1: like to his left. He didn't make it into the
Speaker 1: oncoming lanes, but he swerved towards the oncoming lanes and
Speaker 1: hit one of the support beams of the underpass. It
Speaker 1: was support beam. Yeah, and let's let's kind of give
Speaker 1: everybody a bit of a description here. This is almost
Speaker 1: like an underpassed tunnel. It is. Yeah, it's not. You know,
Speaker 1: we all we have underpasses that we all drive through
Speaker 1: the time. And there's maybe one or two pillars. There
Speaker 1: were I think on the order of thirty plus maybe
Speaker 1: forty pillars that was under a large, large road, and
Speaker 1: they were they were like every ten or fifteen they were.
Speaker 1: It was a very long distance, that's the thing. And
Speaker 1: they were very closely space essentially on the otter walls.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like smooth tiled walls stone. And then
Speaker 1: the part the separates of the northbound and southbound lanes
Speaker 1: or eastbound and westbound lanes. I guess is all these
Speaker 1: columns is that the tragic thing about this is that
Speaker 1: these deaths would have been very easily preventable if the
Speaker 1: City of Paris would just put a guardrail on either
Speaker 1: side of This particular tunnel is the only tunnel that
Speaker 1: doesn't have them. Every other tunnel does. It still doesn't.
Speaker 1: And apparently a lot of people have died in that tunnel,
Speaker 1: not just Princess die. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, wow, he so
Speaker 1: easily distracted. Yeah, I mean, we got so much material
Speaker 1: to go over. The car hit one of the support means.
Speaker 1: It was the thirteenth support meme, as I said, and
Speaker 1: it caused the car to spin like kind of backward
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it ran into it and then
Speaker 1: the momentum of the back kind of kept going sun out,
Speaker 1: so the car is now facing backwards that it kept
Speaker 1: going and came to crash on the left side of
Speaker 1: the car up against the wall of the underpass tunnel rightly.
Speaker 1: It was the driver's side. So Diane Company not only
Speaker 1: had this this big impact on the front that was deadly,
Speaker 1: but then they got long around on the inside and
Speaker 1: then they're getting heads beaten against you know. And just
Speaker 1: to try to visualize this a little bit for folks
Speaker 1: to put into words and maybe help because it was confusing.
Speaker 1: Every description I read made it confusing. Is if you're
Speaker 1: in the States. You're driving on the right hand side
Speaker 1: of the road and you have a left hand lane
Speaker 1: next to you, and those are both the same direction
Speaker 1: of travel. Car on the left hand lane hits something
Speaker 1: and it does a one eighty. So this is to me,
Speaker 1: it's a very simple way to describe it. Mean, you
Speaker 1: hit the car on the left hand lane, hit something
Speaker 1: head on, does a hundred eighty degree spin, and then
Speaker 1: continues to skid backwards so that it is now facing
Speaker 1: was originally traffic moving in the same direction is now
Speaker 1: oncoming traffic. The impression I had actually was that it
Speaker 1: attempted to do a three sixty but right. And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm calling it a one eight, because it's spun
Speaker 1: because of that impact. It bounced from what was the
Speaker 1: left lane, the left edge of the left lane, to
Speaker 1: the right edge of the right lane, and it's now
Speaker 1: facing the opposite Yes, and now it's facing the direction
Speaker 1: it came from. Honestly, just look up pictures. Yeah. One
Speaker 1: reason to spun is that it didn't hit dead on step.
Speaker 1: No hit on the driver's side. And that's the only
Speaker 1: reason the guy you survive survived is if that thing
Speaker 1: it hits square on. Yeah, there would have been no
Speaker 1: survivors for any amount of time. Well, there would have
Speaker 1: been if they had all been wearing their seat pills.
Speaker 1: Based on the situation, none of them would now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again I've I've drawn a soft track. I apologize.
Speaker 1: So the photographers paparazzi that had been following the car,
Speaker 1: they were a bit behind because they weren't driving as
Speaker 1: fast as on recause they couldn't. Because they couldn't they
Speaker 1: were they were, they were pretty much all on motorcycles,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. But when they arrived, many of them
Speaker 1: ran to the crash to help victims, some who are
Speaker 1: truly just human garbage checks did not and decided that
Speaker 1: they would just take some pictures of the accident in
Speaker 1: defense of those guys. So, I mean, there's only so
Speaker 1: many people who can reach in there and take people's
Speaker 1: poulses and stuff like that, so you might as well
Speaker 1: be taking pictures. I guess. I don't think that's I
Speaker 1: think that you know, that was one of the reasons
Speaker 1: that this was such a huge scandal, as because there
Speaker 1: was such a huge capitalization on a giant tragedy. If
Speaker 1: you're the first person on a scene like this, The
Speaker 1: fact that you're like, well, I can't help, so I
Speaker 1: may as well make a whole buttload of money. Just
Speaker 1: makes me think that you are one of the worst
Speaker 1: kind of human beings. Yeah, anyways, but some of them
Speaker 1: actually did administer first aid. Yeah, some of them did
Speaker 1: try to help. Try. Both men on the left side
Speaker 1: of the car, which was driver on re Paul and
Speaker 1: then the real ps rear passenger Doughty fa Ed were
Speaker 1: dead I think pretty much on impact on the impact
Speaker 1: with the poll. Yeah, there's a whole list of their injuries,
Speaker 1: but it's safe to say they were they were super dead.
Speaker 1: Responders apparently first responders. Medical responders did apparently try to
Speaker 1: resuscitate Doughty, but I think that that was probably more
Speaker 1: for Diana's sake than anything else. Why why do you
Speaker 1: say that? Because I know Diana didn't die right away,
Speaker 1: but why was it her? Well? So, okay, so one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that you would administer CPR, By and large,
Speaker 1: I don't know if people know this or not, but
Speaker 1: by and large, CPR does not successfully resuss tate people.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens, very but very rarely does it actually
Speaker 1: happen Nine times out of ten, if a first responder
Speaker 1: is performing that. It's to calm the people who are
Speaker 1: bystanders or loved ones. So if you have a woman
Speaker 1: who is ostensibly in love with a guy, whether or
Speaker 1: not that's true, right cares about this person is probably
Speaker 1: in shock, massive shock, probably has huge injuries. The last
Speaker 1: thing you want her doing is also freaking the crap
Speaker 1: out that why are you not helping? Yes, so I
Speaker 1: see where you're heading. That's my opinion. That's not something
Speaker 1: that you know, people say around, but in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that would be they would be more trying to do
Speaker 1: that just to kind of calm her down a little bit,
Speaker 1: like you no, No, that makes sense. And I've read
Speaker 1: the research on how ineffective cprs in most situations because
Speaker 1: cprs for getting the respiratory process going and getting the
Speaker 1: the pulmonary process going. But most things that people fall
Speaker 1: down dead from are not that. So that doesn't that
Speaker 1: doesn't stimulate anything because those aren't the causes. Well, it
Speaker 1: doesn't restart. It does help circulate until you can restart.
Speaker 1: I got it. Anyways, as Diana, Diana, as I said,
Speaker 1: was reported to have been kneeling in the back seat,
Speaker 1: and reports do differ either she was still in that
Speaker 1: position with her you know, back to the road, or
Speaker 1: sitting in the back seat with her head rested on
Speaker 1: the back of the front passenger seat. So depending on
Speaker 1: what position she had been in the crash, most reports
Speaker 1: are that Diana had no serious outward injuries, which has
Speaker 1: been a big reason for a lot of conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: especially the more sinister ones. She was conscious, she was
Speaker 1: rumored to have been murmuring, oh my God, and leave
Speaker 1: me alone. One photographer who was trying to help said
Speaker 1: that she was sitting on the seat with her head
Speaker 1: rested on the front of the seat, with blood coming
Speaker 1: out of her nose and ears, and that her feet
Speaker 1: were stuck. That he had tried to help her out
Speaker 1: of the car and under the Yeah, he said that
Speaker 1: he told her that help was on the way, and
Speaker 1: she just blinked and didn't say anything. And as a
Speaker 1: side note, there are photos of her after the accident,
Speaker 1: sitting in a car. Those guys, some of those guys
Speaker 1: did take pictures there. Well, there's there's a one very
Speaker 1: iconic photo of like people kind of standing around her
Speaker 1: and she's just sitting there, totally unaffected, totally fine. From
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that I've read, and I'm inclined
Speaker 1: to believe it. That's actually a photo from earlier in
Speaker 1: the night when she was getting into the car thereund
Speaker 1: when they got in the car leaving the hotel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you kind of look closely at that picture,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like the car's trashed really, and I
Speaker 1: it's really it's a super zoom in. There are photos
Speaker 1: that are probably her of you can kind of just
Speaker 1: see the top of her head and like the car
Speaker 1: super trashed and that that I'm i'mclined to believe that
Speaker 1: that's her, But I don't think that one picture a
Speaker 1: lot of I've read a couple of things that said
Speaker 1: that's actually picture from early in the night, and I'm
Speaker 1: definitely inclined to believe it. I think you'd be able
Speaker 1: to tell because the car, I mean, if you've seen
Speaker 1: pictures of the car, and I'm sure you guys have,
Speaker 1: and then they cut the top off of the Jaws
Speaker 1: of Life to get people like that car was completely
Speaker 1: blitzed once they were done with it after the accident
Speaker 1: and after the recovery and the pictures that I that
Speaker 1: I do believe it's after the Jaws of Life you
Speaker 1: can see Diana's little blonde head sitting there in the
Speaker 1: seat a little blunted. I mean, that's why. But the
Speaker 1: one that is apparently that people say, you know, look,
Speaker 1: she's not injured at all. It's from earlier in the night.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I totally I'm on board with that. Yeah, Trevor,
Speaker 1: Remember Trevor. He was conscious, but he sustained really serious
Speaker 1: facial injuries because the airbag had deployed. Again, no good
Speaker 1: reports on if he had a seat belt or not.
Speaker 1: I don't think he probably did. I've heard he was
Speaker 1: the only one who had I've heard that too, but
Speaker 1: I've also heard that he didn't have a seat belt.
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell. I think what is important to
Speaker 1: note is he hit his head really hard. And I
Speaker 1: kept asking the question. I actually asked you guys this
Speaker 1: question just right before we started recording. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a survivor. How come he can't tell us
Speaker 1: what happened? And it's like, oh, yeah, he hit his
Speaker 1: head really hard. He probably lost his memories from hours, days,
Speaker 1: weeks before. I have known people have been at serious
Speaker 1: accidents and they say they have no memory of it. Yeah, No, memory.
Speaker 1: I've been in car accidents where the airbag went off,
Speaker 1: and I remember the airbag going off, but that's it.
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember minutes prior or minutes after, because
Speaker 1: it's just such a wall up to the noggin. Yeah
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, I was in a car accident
Speaker 1: recently and I didn't even hit my head and you know,
Speaker 1: the like minute impact. I'm just like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened. I'm sorry. So let's talk about the timeline
Speaker 1: of emergency responders. Um, real question. It sets me up
Speaker 1: a little bit, some some red flags here for me.
Speaker 1: The first emergency officials to arrive on the scene were
Speaker 1: two police officers and they arrived around twelve thirty am.
Speaker 1: Two more officers arrived at twelve thirty two am. Doctor
Speaker 1: Jean Marc Martino, a specialist in anesthetics and intensive care
Speaker 1: treatment who was the doctor in charge of an ambulance,
Speaker 1: arrived around twelve forty am. The princess was removed from
Speaker 1: the car at one am. Jaws of life take a while.
Speaker 1: You want to safely remove from a car, make sure
Speaker 1: their next well, some people do, and if the car
Speaker 1: is on fire, do that. Otherwise, don't do that you'll get.
Speaker 1: She went into cardiac arrest and following external part cardio
Speaker 1: wulminary resuscitation so CPR, she was resuscitated. I guess she
Speaker 1: was moved to the ambulance at one eighteen am, and
Speaker 1: then the ambulance departed the crash scene at one one
Speaker 1: am and arrived at the hospital at two. The journey
Speaker 1: was it was about a thirty minute minute thirty minute
Speaker 1: long drive from the scene to the closest hospital, yeah
Speaker 1: or not, I'm sorry, not the closest hospital, we should clarify.
Speaker 1: There was a hospital that was closer, but it was
Speaker 1: a very small hospital, and the doctor in the ambulance decided,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to move her. If we take her
Speaker 1: to this one, we may as well just take her
Speaker 1: straight to this other one that's way more equipped to
Speaker 1: deal with all the injuries she's dealing with and not
Speaker 1: have to, you know, get her kind of stable and
Speaker 1: then move her. Well. And one thing I want to
Speaker 1: address is a lot of people freak out about this timeline.
Speaker 1: Why did it take so long to get her into
Speaker 1: the ambulance, Why did it take so long for the
Speaker 1: ambulance to leave, and what they don't think about is
Speaker 1: the fact that she went into cardiac arrest and they
Speaker 1: needed to stabilize her. And a moving vehicle is a
Speaker 1: vibrating object with it stops and starts, which is going
Speaker 1: to have an impact on the health of somebody's whose
Speaker 1: heart rate is unstable already. So that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that they didn't just as you see in the
Speaker 1: TV shows flip the flash of lights and you know,
Speaker 1: gun on the gas pedal and rock it down the road.
Speaker 1: They couldn't do that. Yeah, that does make a little
Speaker 1: more difficult, it does. It is you know, that's it
Speaker 1: seems like a long time. I think, you know, half
Speaker 1: of me wants to say, that's a long twenty minutes
Speaker 1: in between all those things, that's a long time. The
Speaker 1: other part of me that's you know, first aid trained
Speaker 1: and things like that, wants to say, no, that's totally reasonable.
Speaker 1: So I, you know, I'm on the fence on that one. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I totally I side with the doctors and medical
Speaker 1: professionals and this one because you don't just go bouncing
Speaker 1: people around just gone through all that. If these guys
Speaker 1: really wanted to like kill her by slow boating, the
Speaker 1: whole process of getting into the the hospital. You don't
Speaker 1: really need to do that. Get Russia to the hospitals,
Speaker 1: which which looks better, and then later on you smother
Speaker 1: her with a pillow. It's not yeah, or Russia to
Speaker 1: the hospital, knowing that that's going to make things worse,
Speaker 1: going to exacerbate the situation. So once she made it
Speaker 1: to the hospital, it was discovered that her injuries were
Speaker 1: just incredibly severe. Her heart had been displaced to the
Speaker 1: right side of her body, Yeah, which of course tore
Speaker 1: the pulmonary vein and also the heart of her wall. Surprise, surprise,
Speaker 1: the wall of her heart, not the heart of her wall, whichever,
Speaker 1: you know. Extensive attempts were made to resuscitate her, including
Speaker 1: internal heart massage right which I think you can probably
Speaker 1: figure out what that is. Somebody with her hand in
Speaker 1: his chest set it cracked her open squeeze or two.
Speaker 1: But at four am she was pronounced dead. At two
Speaker 1: pm the next day, Prince Charles and Diana's two older
Speaker 1: sisters arrived in Paris to collect her body and took
Speaker 1: it directly back to London. And she this is another
Speaker 1: thing that kind of set some people off. She was
Speaker 1: actually embalmbed before she was taken back to London. There
Speaker 1: was an autopsy done, although I don't think it was
Speaker 1: very curse. It was really cursey. I mean, when somebody's
Speaker 1: heart has been displaced to the other side of their body,
Speaker 1: I think people kind of say, yeah, that probably did it.
Speaker 1: You probably don't need to go in a great depth.
Speaker 1: Why would you pull out every organ away, um and
Speaker 1: check them and run all this point, it's very obvious
Speaker 1: that what happened is everything from the left shifted to
Speaker 1: the right. Yeah. And the other consideration I think, and
Speaker 1: this is probably fair, is that they didn't think that
Speaker 1: her loved ones needed to see her in the state
Speaker 1: that she would have had to have been in had
Speaker 1: they done all that extensive stuff. They kind of just
Speaker 1: did the things they needed to do and sewed her
Speaker 1: up and got you know, got her cleaned up and
Speaker 1: sent her on her way, which I think is fair.
Speaker 1: But that does set a lot of people off, which
Speaker 1: I think is also fair. Yeah, that's that. That raises
Speaker 1: a lot both things. Yeah, there's some weird stuff in
Speaker 1: the crash that we should go back and address real quick.
Speaker 1: One of those things is that there may have been
Speaker 1: and probably was and b I probably was I mean
Speaker 1: sure there was another car involved. The French police issued
Speaker 1: a search warrant for a white Fiat un which is
Speaker 1: it's basically it's a small hatchback. It's a little dinky car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they weigh nothing. It's like the cheapest hashback car in
Speaker 1: the world, that's what it is. Yeah. Apparently the way
Speaker 1: they figured it was a white you know, is they
Speaker 1: found further off the roadway where the where the Mercedes
Speaker 1: had been before a crash. They found the broken tailed
Speaker 1: from a and the white paint on this and they
Speaker 1: figured out this must have side swap sidewips, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that may be cause the accident or certainly couldn't
Speaker 1: have helped things. And let's be very clear here, despite
Speaker 1: some of the accusations that have been thrown around that
Speaker 1: we are going to stay later in the show, this
Speaker 1: car has never been found and identified. The driver has
Speaker 1: never been identified. We do not know who was driving
Speaker 1: this car or why or what they were doing. And
Speaker 1: police did look at they looked at thousands of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another weird thing is a bit of reporting about the Bends. Initially,
Speaker 1: it was reported that the car had been doing a
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty miles an hour, which is a hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety kilometers per hour UM, really really fast, and
Speaker 1: that the spidometer had jammed in place when the impact
Speaker 1: first took place. Later investigators corrected that and said no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the car was doing like sixty seventy miles an hour,
Speaker 1: and that the spiedometer was digital so it couldn't have
Speaker 1: been jamed in place. But the manufacture of the Mercedes
Speaker 1: Benz actually said that the spiedometer in this model, and
Speaker 1: this is corroborated by all of the literature about these
Speaker 1: these cars, this making model. Yeah, yeah, that the spiedometer
Speaker 1: is actually computer controlled analog and though the car was
Speaker 1: certainly traveling faster than it should have been, the spiedometer
Speaker 1: automatically resets to zero when a crash occurs, which you
Speaker 1: would expect because it hits something and went to zero,
Speaker 1: so it's not moving anymore, so the spidometer is going
Speaker 1: to say zero. Yeah, you're doing zero miles an hour
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, But yeah, is a bit of an exaggeration,
Speaker 1: though I agree. I'm sorry, but I've I've driven at
Speaker 1: those kind of speeds. It's insane, and it's it's on
Speaker 1: a flat piece of road, it's fine. I couldn't imagine
Speaker 1: trying to do that speed on a road that's got
Speaker 1: curves and humps and underpasses. Like, if you're doing that,
Speaker 1: that's insane, and I've done it in short bit it's
Speaker 1: but not anything like a regular surface road. Well on
Speaker 1: rehad a extensive training on like this is why I
Speaker 1: think this is why Doughty was like, actually, hey, I
Speaker 1: know you're off duty, but can you come drive us
Speaker 1: for a minute. Yeah. He he had well with Mercedes
Speaker 1: been specifically, he had done several driver training courses for
Speaker 1: anti kidnapping and anti terrorist situations, which for anybody doesn't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's high speed driver training like what cops
Speaker 1: do where you're in an urban environment and you're you're
Speaker 1: on the gas, on the brake, learn how to control
Speaker 1: the car. And then there's evasion tactics and how to
Speaker 1: control a vehicle when it gets hit. Yeah, these are
Speaker 1: the things, and this is specifically in Mercedes Benz vehicles.
Speaker 1: Is when he got trained in this specific vehicle, not
Speaker 1: this exact one, but this make and model. Yes, So
Speaker 1: for as a general statement, most brand the vehicles, all
Speaker 1: cars in that brand are going to operate essentially the
Speaker 1: same so if I'm an a Ford Focus and then
Speaker 1: I jump into the Ford Sedan, which is the next
Speaker 1: size up, they're going to operate essentially the same and
Speaker 1: that's kind of different kind of weight behind you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think it's worth mentioning. Yeah, the guy should
Speaker 1: have he would have known what he was doing in
Speaker 1: in these high speed, possible, unpredictable road conditions. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: anything else about the crash before we move on the theories?
Speaker 1: What about the crash? I let me think now, they
Speaker 1: after the spot where they found the Fiat till they
Speaker 1: found a hundred and six ft of skid marks veering
Speaker 1: to the left and in column, and then it's it
Speaker 1: appears that after the car hit the thirteenth column and
Speaker 1: sort of half bounced off, swung around, and came to
Speaker 1: rest up against the outer wall of the tunnel, it
Speaker 1: appears that the Fiat you know must have driven past
Speaker 1: him on his left hand side and left the yet,
Speaker 1: which suggested to me that maybe the guy you know
Speaker 1: was either felt to be felt he was a fault,
Speaker 1: or maybe he was drunk or suspended or something something
Speaker 1: and he just didn't there stick around. And here's well,
Speaker 1: here's something we haven't talked about this, this whole thing
Speaker 1: yet that we should probably bring up now. Europe is
Speaker 1: chuck full of cct cameras. There is no footage of
Speaker 1: this chunk of the road into that tunnel because the
Speaker 1: cameras weren't on. Yeah, I think there's multiple reasons. I
Speaker 1: mean I've heard that they were down for maintenance of her,
Speaker 1: that they only run during rush hour times. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. I never got a clear picture
Speaker 1: of why they weren't running. Well, there's their their cameras
Speaker 1: at the at the entrances of this tunnel. But I
Speaker 1: got this from the the British inquest about this thing,
Speaker 1: and they were not taped. They were just monitored in
Speaker 1: an office and the office closed at eleven pm. And
Speaker 1: so that's why there's no video or anything like that.
Speaker 1: That's insane to me that if you can, if you
Speaker 1: can pull recordable footage, why you wouldn't at least pull
Speaker 1: it and put it put it on a loop so
Speaker 1: that you could ten hours later go oh we really
Speaker 1: need the two o'clock this afternoon crash or something like that. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is not years ago. So and most
Speaker 1: of the CCTVs that were along the route. We're not
Speaker 1: even turned towards the road. You know, A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of their thought made made a huge stink
Speaker 1: about that. But it turns out they identified I don't
Speaker 1: know what, maybe ten fourteen cameras along that, but there
Speaker 1: were some that were pointed towards the entry of the underpass,
Speaker 1: and that's I thought there was at least one or two.
Speaker 1: Most of the ones that they drove past were actually
Speaker 1: privately owned, and they were actually directed more towards security,
Speaker 1: so they were actually pointed at the front, so they
Speaker 1: weren't actually road cameras. I no, no, I don't think
Speaker 1: highway cams. I understood this as they were highway cams,
Speaker 1: so that's why I brought it up. Okay, well, then
Speaker 1: never mind, I'm completely off base on that one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only other thing I want to mention, just briefly
Speaker 1: before we get into theories, is that some eyewitnesses reported
Speaker 1: seeing a bright flash as the car entered the tunnel
Speaker 1: in our past. Yeah, I say that in an annoyed monitone.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about in a minute. I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 1: but or I guess it's we have to mention it.
Speaker 1: We have to mention and it does into this next theory,
Speaker 1: which is the first theory. Right, we need to talk
Speaker 1: about theory number one. The paparazzi. They did well, they
Speaker 1: were responsible. So let's let's do a little bit of here,
Speaker 1: or a little bit of info. We've covered some of
Speaker 1: this briefly, but let me just kind of run into
Speaker 1: some of this. Is it's interesting. It's obvious why they
Speaker 1: were int did in her. She's Lady Diana. She is
Speaker 1: the the ex wife of Prince Charles, who is heir
Speaker 1: apparent to the throne of England. She's the mother of
Speaker 1: the future King of England. Correct. And then there's there's thirty.
Speaker 1: He's his dad. Is this giantly rich man who has
Speaker 1: his fingers and so many pies. I mean, it makes
Speaker 1: sense why they would be interested in both of them,
Speaker 1: though mostly I'm pretty sure they were interested in Diana.
Speaker 1: In the nineties, people may not know this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think people are used to this now, but this
Speaker 1: was kind of record breaking at the time. Is in
Speaker 1: the nineties, several photographs of celebrities started selling for tens
Speaker 1: of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars to tabloids.
Speaker 1: This became a huge money making industry, and while I
Speaker 1: personally don't think that it is a profession, it was
Speaker 1: a job that could make you a very rich individual
Speaker 1: if you got the right shot. Though, you know, the
Speaker 1: right shot being a picture of two people in a car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you got the picture of them doing the nasty
Speaker 1: when they shouldn't have been. That's one making out on
Speaker 1: the beach or the yacht, sure, yes, but traveling car
Speaker 1: not so interesting. Yeah, And it said they really really
Speaker 1: was not all that necessary to drive fast, I mean
Speaker 1: christ sakes, And unless they were trying to lose them,
Speaker 1: which they were about to do. I think they were
Speaker 1: trying to lose them. They didn't want to know where that.
Speaker 1: They didn't want them to know where the apartment was,
Speaker 1: because the idea was, they're swarming the rits. Let's get
Speaker 1: away from the ritz. Let's go to the apartment so
Speaker 1: that they don't know where we're at. That's the idea.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about some of the paparazzi, specifically the
Speaker 1: ones who were chasing them. There were there were there
Speaker 1: were nine of them who were charged with manslaughter in
Speaker 1: France based on the accident. Because they were they were
Speaker 1: deemed to have been in some way responsible for the accident.
Speaker 1: Those charges were thrown out in two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: which makes sense when you think about it. I don't
Speaker 1: think they were there, so yeah, that makes sense. There
Speaker 1: were three of them who were convicted of invasion of
Speaker 1: privacy for taking pictures of the couple, and this is
Speaker 1: so weird. They were fined in two thousand six one
Speaker 1: euro apiece. I suspect that about what they sold their
Speaker 1: photos for. I don't, I don't. I really don't understand
Speaker 1: that you could make any money taking pictures to Diana
Speaker 1: because everybody was doing it. Yeah, you have to get
Speaker 1: a really compromising photo. And then the guys that took
Speaker 1: the photos at the crash site probably could have sold
Speaker 1: them for a lot of money. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of scuffle about that. But let's let's just kind of
Speaker 1: let's move into the actual theory portion here. So people
Speaker 1: believe that the paparazzi are responsible for the crash in
Speaker 1: two different ways, as we've just briefly touched on. The
Speaker 1: first is that they were responsible because they were chasing
Speaker 1: the couple, because as we talked about, they sent the
Speaker 1: decoy car out, and then a little bit later, you know,
Speaker 1: most of the paparazzi chase the decoy car, but not
Speaker 1: all of them took debait, and some of them figured
Speaker 1: out that they were still there and they chased the
Speaker 1: car from the back of the hotel where they actually
Speaker 1: left from. Of course, then that meant that it's their
Speaker 1: fault that they were driving so fast and so erratically
Speaker 1: to try to escape them. I do want to point out,
Speaker 1: and we we touched on this earlier, is that the
Speaker 1: paparazzi were on motorcycles a k a. Mopeds like a
Speaker 1: vestmus so one guy driving, one guy on the back.
Speaker 1: So two dudes on a Vestment which doesn't have a
Speaker 1: high speed. It's super maneuverable, so you can get in
Speaker 1: and out and get your photos and get out, but
Speaker 1: you cannot keep up with a Mercedes Benz S two eighty.
Speaker 1: That thing has a V eight engine in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was being driven pretty quickly. It's a high
Speaker 1: power car. It's going to be able to escape them quickly.
Speaker 1: But the point is, it's it's theorized that if they
Speaker 1: had just not done their job so well, there's a
Speaker 1: way to say it, then of course Henri wouldn't have
Speaker 1: had to drive so fast to try to escape them
Speaker 1: or evade them that then this wouldn't have happened. So although,
Speaker 1: you know, I would argue that if I were the
Speaker 1: lawyer to argue that, you know, hey, these people are
Speaker 1: trying to my clients, they should have found more creative
Speaker 1: ways to escape my clients than driving like breakneck SpeI
Speaker 1: the middle of Paris. Yeah, no, that's that's an absolutely
Speaker 1: valid point. Yeah, I think that these guys just needs
Speaker 1: to get creative about evading paparazzi. I need to hire me.
Speaker 1: I would. I would have him figure it out. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, the easy answer is blacked out windows, but hey,
Speaker 1: what do I know you can do that. The other
Speaker 1: version of the theory is that they caused the crash directly.
Speaker 1: This is kind of an outside theory, but it is
Speaker 1: one thing. It's one of the theories that Mohammad Alfa
Speaker 1: had really really gets in bed with one of the hundreds.
Speaker 1: That guy, what was it like seventy or eighty theories
Speaker 1: he purported to the Inquisition saying, it's it's some absurd number.
Speaker 1: It could have been that, it could have been that,
Speaker 1: it could have been this, it could have been I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's almost as if he sat down for three
Speaker 1: months row done every idea that could have been possible,
Speaker 1: and then submitted those But what he says, or what
Speaker 1: what the theory is is, and Joe talked about this earlier,
Speaker 1: is there's the bright flash or it was you okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. If this theory is right, the bright flash
Speaker 1: was caused by the flash from a camera. So there
Speaker 1: is a photographer trying to take a photo and they
Speaker 1: take a photo and the flash blinds Onnre to the
Speaker 1: point that he can't see, so that he loses control
Speaker 1: of the vehicle. People who saw the Mercedes enter the
Speaker 1: tunnel didn't say that they saw the paparazzi with them,
Speaker 1: so that makes me think that they had evaded them.
Speaker 1: So therefore the whole flash things seems a little weird.
Speaker 1: But we've also talked about the white Fiat that you know.
Speaker 1: There are theories that say that when the Mercedes was
Speaker 1: going into the tunnel, there was the Uno and three motorcycles.
Speaker 1: The first theory is that there's the Mercedes directly in
Speaker 1: front of and to the right of it is the
Speaker 1: Fiat trying to slow it down and trying to slow
Speaker 1: it down, and behind it is the motorcycles, or the
Speaker 1: UNO is next to the Mercedes and then the motorcycles
Speaker 1: are behind both vehicles. This theory runs that the UNO
Speaker 1: was trying to get in front of to slow down
Speaker 1: the Mercedes so that the photographers on the motorcycles could
Speaker 1: get their photos, which I can see, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: it doesn't work for me, or that the FIAD was
Speaker 1: trying to get up next to the Mercedes and take
Speaker 1: a picture. Both of these are saying that in some
Speaker 1: way somebody with a super bright flash on their camera
Speaker 1: was getting next to a car and there was interference
Speaker 1: in that bright flash is what. Then blinds are so
Speaker 1: that he loses control. But that would take an amazing,
Speaker 1: an amazing intelligence network to come up with their route
Speaker 1: ahead of time to position a Fiat ahead of them.
Speaker 1: I call that blind luck to have been Holy crap,
Speaker 1: we're on the same route as as Diana and Dotti
Speaker 1: a Doughtie. Oh my gosh, how could that be? But
Speaker 1: there's also this and the witness accounts of everything going
Speaker 1: into the tunnel and out of the tunnel. They're unreliable
Speaker 1: at best. We've talked about witness states, some conflicts, they're
Speaker 1: not all the same. Nobody reported. For example, I got
Speaker 1: I read a number of different accounts that people people
Speaker 1: who saw the Mercedes go into the tunnel, they were
Speaker 1: like coming out of the tunnel the other way, for example,
Speaker 1: And they didn't say anything about a Fiat, a white Fiat. Correct.
Speaker 1: But I have seen stuff about reports of seeing coming
Speaker 1: out of that tunnel another black or possibly white Mercedes
Speaker 1: that did in fact go in with them and speed
Speaker 1: out of the tunnel without them and disappear into the night,
Speaker 1: a different kind of Mercedes, a different Mercedes vehicle. So
Speaker 1: two Mercedes went in, one came out. But the color
Speaker 1: of that second Mercedes changes from traumatically white to black
Speaker 1: depending on what you see. So well, if it was black,
Speaker 1: it could have been a decoy. In Diana and Dotie
Speaker 1: are still alive, that's probably what it is. Probably with Tupac,
Speaker 1: there was and I know there was at least one
Speaker 1: other car ahead of them in the tunnel too, because
Speaker 1: they also the driver of that car reported the white
Speaker 1: flash also correct. And I know we're to go into
Speaker 1: some of that indeed talk, but but yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: So it's it's hard because there's so many differing accounts
Speaker 1: of so many at least three two to three vehicles,
Speaker 1: not counting the motorcycles. Yeah, that's hard. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where I land. I don't know, I don't I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think the paparazzi are scumbags, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that per se. It's their fault and that obviously they
Speaker 1: didn't deliberately do it because they don't want to kill Diana.
Speaker 1: What a way to kill your paychecks for real. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to our next theory. Yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is the man. There's so much on this one. Just
Speaker 1: so you guys know, prepare you know, take your potty
Speaker 1: break now if you need to. Joe has written an
Speaker 1: entire episodes worth of information on this next Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking fast. So the next theory is that
Speaker 1: the royal family on with m I six and the
Speaker 1: S A S got together and murdered Die. And what's
Speaker 1: the s I S? Yeah, special says a special air service.
Speaker 1: But what I meant with special service but the special
Speaker 1: airy services, the special special service like in campuses, like
Speaker 1: the whole ball of wax, like in My six at
Speaker 1: My five. M I five is counterintelligence and then m
Speaker 1: I six is overseas spying. That kind of thing you
Speaker 1: don't get if you've seen a James Bond movie, you know, yeah, exactly. Uh,
Speaker 1: the this is the series put forward by Muhammad alf
Speaker 1: shocking one of the seventy. Yeah, he's put together put
Speaker 1: together quite a bit of cool conspiracy theories here. I
Speaker 1: actually actually have a theory about Alpha Ad, which is
Speaker 1: that he's really proud of the fact that his his
Speaker 1: son was dating Princess Die and he just wants to
Speaker 1: keep reminding people about it. We can talk a lot
Speaker 1: about Alfad in a little bit. Yeah, he's an interesting guy,
Speaker 1: he is. So why did they do this? Why did
Speaker 1: the royal family want to murder because, accoring to the
Speaker 1: Alpha had that I was pregnant with his child. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not not Mohammed's child, and apparently they were going there
Speaker 1: on the break of announcing their engagement. Can can I
Speaker 1: stop you for a second. Yeah, do you know how
Speaker 1: infuriating tabloids are. There's a baby bomb. No, it's called
Speaker 1: a human woman who has a normal belly in a
Speaker 1: one piece bathing suit. But he has an abdomen. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't It was the tabloids. They were putting this
Speaker 1: out there. Well, no, but the tabloids put put out
Speaker 1: photos of dies baby bomb and stuff like that. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, cut it out. She's just a person. It's
Speaker 1: just been guzzling a lot of beer. It's it's particularly
Speaker 1: frustrating in this point. We haven't actually talked much about this,
Speaker 1: but people may or may not know Diana was severely
Speaker 1: blimic for a good portion of her life, and so
Speaker 1: that was something she actually struggled with. So it's like
Speaker 1: extra frustrating to know that she had those body issues
Speaker 1: and to hear, you know, the tabloids were like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a baby bump for her. Oh, she's gaining some
Speaker 1: healthy weight. Punds of extra weight on she annoying anyway, Well,
Speaker 1: it was the whole, the whole Diana thing was annoying. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I think I think Diana would have considered me her
Speaker 1: her ideal fan because I didn't give it, damn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that was so was pregnant. So they were going
Speaker 1: to announcer with Deli's child, and so Princess Prince Philip,
Speaker 1: not Princess Philip. Prince Philip gave the order to rub
Speaker 1: her out because they obviously didn't want to have you know,
Speaker 1: like a Muslim child in the Royal family Islam Islamic
Speaker 1: Islamic child. But uh and the services apparently used the plan.
Speaker 1: It was similar to one surprisingly that have been cooked
Speaker 1: up in to assassinate slow the Sloba Don Wilson, which
Speaker 1: involved a bright flash with a bright flash. You guys,
Speaker 1: bright flash with a bright flash, and bright flashes can
Speaker 1: do a lot. Actually you actually can. With the bright
Speaker 1: enough flash, you can actually stun people. Actually caused him
Speaker 1: a conk out temporarily. You can disorient them hugely. But anyway,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead with this. Alpa had said this is Mohammed,
Speaker 1: that Andree Paul was working for an intelligence service and
Speaker 1: that he was somehow instrumental in the plan to kill
Speaker 1: Diane Doe, which is funny because you know he killed himself.
Speaker 1: Well you know, he employed he was his deputy head
Speaker 1: of security of course at the at the time. At
Speaker 1: the time, he didn't know this. He found this out
Speaker 1: later until it was sourced. Somehow he was part of
Speaker 1: this plan knowingly or not. He might have just been
Speaker 1: a catspaw. He also said that James Andenson, who was
Speaker 1: a photographer, was also working for an intelligence service and
Speaker 1: that he was present at the accident. He was president
Speaker 1: of the president of the accident, wasn't he photographer James Anderson. No,
Speaker 1: But of course this is just, this is just the
Speaker 1: accusation is a Muhammad fiad uh It says was working
Speaker 1: for an intelligence service. He was at the accident. Onsen
Speaker 1: he claimed owned a white Fiat Uno which he had
Speaker 1: used somehow to cause the accident. His Fiat Uno was
Speaker 1: later examined by the French police and found to be
Speaker 1: the one that left white paint on the Mercedes. On
Speaker 1: the endor of the Mercedes. Onison died in May two
Speaker 1: thousand suspicious circumstances in a car fire, which was ruled
Speaker 1: as a suicide. But if I had said that the
Speaker 1: unusual circumstances of the fire indicated that he was murdered
Speaker 1: by the security services, although he allowed it, perhaps on
Speaker 1: the senor just committed suicide out of guilt over murdering
Speaker 1: Diane Dote. So yeah, okay, okay, well let's keep rying
Speaker 1: with this one, because I really I do like this.
Speaker 1: I like this, but there's red flags for me, are
Speaker 1: things that I'd like way to see. But I know
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to tongue. This is yeah, this is
Speaker 1: something that was extensively investigated. It's not like he just
Speaker 1: made these accusations and nobody looked at here's the Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's the inquisition, Operation the inquest. Yeah, what was it,
Speaker 1: Operation Paget. I think I thought it was wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't know, probably anyways, I don't know what it's onounced, Yeah,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and or something. I think it's eight hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty two pages. I think we read parts of
Speaker 1: it at least. Actually, I gotta tell you, I read
Speaker 1: hundreds of pages of that and I didn't finish it,
Speaker 1: but always, but I read a lot of it. But
Speaker 1: this was one of the things they investigated in that,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, exactly. They had a whole
Speaker 1: chapter on the on the whole M I six Royal
Speaker 1: family accusation. There were other accusations that were also kind
Speaker 1: of suspicious. There was a guy in the British embassy
Speaker 1: named Richard Spearman who apparently was supposedly m I six,
Speaker 1: and he showed up in Paris um just like a
Speaker 1: few days before the accident. Coincidentally speaking, another guy in
Speaker 1: Nicholas Langman, also with M I six, supposedly in the
Speaker 1: Paris Embassy or rived in Paris, he said, a week
Speaker 1: before the accident, and left a week after. Mohammed had
Speaker 1: said that this is what he said, although some versions
Speaker 1: just say that he actually was actually arrived a couple
Speaker 1: of years earlier, and he was on a four year
Speaker 1: posting and then he was pulled out like a week
Speaker 1: after the murders, which is like unprecedented because when you
Speaker 1: post somebody to a country, they have to go through
Speaker 1: all kinds of training specific to that country. They have
Speaker 1: to they have to go through language training and all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. There's a big investment. So if you
Speaker 1: pull somebody out two years into huge laws, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how how to explain that Nicholas Langman was suddenly
Speaker 1: jerked back to London just like a week after. So
Speaker 1: that's that you had. Uh. There were also two British
Speaker 1: photographers presence at the Ritz on that night. They both
Speaker 1: were overheard to be speaking English. Nobody had seen them before,
Speaker 1: and the paparazzi all knew each other. Everybody everybody knew
Speaker 1: everybody were strangers. You're always hanging out at the same places,
Speaker 1: you're going to get to know oh yeah, and so
Speaker 1: these two strangers were hanging out there well, what's that
Speaker 1: all about. Well, maybe because there's a foreigner. Maybe because
Speaker 1: there's a big crowd and people are saying, hey, Princess
Speaker 1: Dia is here. Now, that's crazy talk, crazy insanity. So
Speaker 1: almost all these claims originated with a guy named Richard Tomlinson,
Speaker 1: who was an m I six officer from apparently to
Speaker 1: nine when he was dismissed under quote acrimonious circumstances unquote.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but apparently, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was not not a good term to a dishonorable discharge. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I didn't like him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thomlinson published a book about his time in a special
Speaker 1: service in two thousand one, which was called The Big Reach.
Speaker 1: In the bookie details and encounter with a co worker.
Speaker 1: Co worker says, one day, hey, take a look at
Speaker 1: this memo. Tell me what you think. The memo outlines
Speaker 1: based three ways to kill Sloba Don Melosavik we've all
Speaker 1: heard of if you haven't to do a google on them.
Speaker 1: The that one basically was about half half in just
Speaker 1: justifying the assassination of Sloba Don, like you'd have to yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And the rest of it was like kind of a
Speaker 1: how to how do we do this? And so there
Speaker 1: was one Yeah, bullet point number one. Yeah, bullet point
Speaker 1: one power point presentation one. The one would be that
Speaker 1: Special Service commando is just assassinate them directly rifle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another one option too is that Special Service recruits local
Speaker 1: militiamen to do it, which is kind of a nice
Speaker 1: way to do it. Yeah. And third one was as
Speaker 1: Special Service does it, but instead of using guns, they
Speaker 1: just kill him by causing his limit to crash. And
Speaker 1: the specific plan in this case was by using a
Speaker 1: blinding flash to blind his limo driver, preferably in a tunnel.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. That's why I was being an idiot
Speaker 1: earlier and thinking that this was a real thing. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a big story. Is sorry to tie together
Speaker 1: a lot of details here, but when Tom was Thomas
Speaker 1: had first heard about the circumstances of dias car crash,
Speaker 1: and he heard about that blinding flash, his memory was
Speaker 1: jolted and he suddenly went back to when he saw
Speaker 1: this memo. Convenient. All these details about this plot were
Speaker 1: in his book that he published in two thousand one.
Speaker 1: He also talked about how in he was working on
Speaker 1: an operation to recover weapons. And this actually I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if this was in his book or not, but
Speaker 1: this is some information that he passed along to Muhammad
Speaker 1: alf Had. He was working on an operation in recover
Speaker 1: high tech weapons from the former Soviet Union. And by
Speaker 1: the way, this operation was found to have actually existed,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't completely lying about this stuff. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy was full of hot air at times, but not
Speaker 1: everything was. But everything was so hard that that's like
Speaker 1: more frustrating to me than anything else, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's like, well, some of what you're saying is true,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense that people try and cover up
Speaker 1: the other stuff that you're saying. So is it true
Speaker 1: or are you making it up? But that's that's the
Speaker 1: thing of is he really a spy gone rogue and
Speaker 1: been kicked out or is he actually his mission is
Speaker 1: a plant to do with these other things, to spin
Speaker 1: these other lines. That's that's that's the total deep cover,
Speaker 1: really deep cover, or you just a jerk lost his
Speaker 1: job and his spouting off. Yeah, there's but there's more
Speaker 1: interesting about this, right Oh yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: guy's not done yeah, oh no, not he's he's put
Speaker 1: out a lot of stuff and almost everything like I
Speaker 1: said that Mohammed came up with he got from this
Speaker 1: guy anyway back to that operation in the form of
Speaker 1: set Union. It was in collaboration with the big time
Speaker 1: armstealer who maybe that was ad naka Shogi, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he turns out he was in frequent contact with
Speaker 1: none other than Mohammed al Fayad, so they yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: and this is all by his memory, of course, of
Speaker 1: reading these files. The informant who reported these contacts had
Speaker 1: a code name, so Tomlinson didn't know what his real
Speaker 1: name was, but he was able to figure out from
Speaker 1: going through the files that it was a French guy
Speaker 1: who was head of security at the Ritz Hotel in Paris.
Speaker 1: That the deputy head. No, no, I know, it's not
Speaker 1: I know we're not saying, but they give people code
Speaker 1: names and they hold back a lot of information to
Speaker 1: protect those people. So this guy is just like, oh, dude,
Speaker 1: totally figured that out. That was just the word jumble.
Speaker 1: I questioned credibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no there's there's
Speaker 1: really no point and assigning somebody a code name to
Speaker 1: protect his identity and this thing and then just like
Speaker 1: leaving information and it obviously indicates where he works and
Speaker 1: what his job is. What makes it so easy, works
Speaker 1: on the fifth Street and well and the local insurance company.
Speaker 1: But nobody will figure that out. The report somewhere between
Speaker 1: floors five and seven. Yeah, anyway, we'll talk more about that.
Speaker 1: Tomlinson also heard while he was at Special Service that
Speaker 1: there was a member of the paparazzi who was with
Speaker 1: m I six, or at least an informant for m
Speaker 1: I six, who followed Diana on a regular basis. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: The Brits put together an inquest called Operation Peget, which
Speaker 1: we mentioned, we mentioned, which was a quart of the
Speaker 1: inquiry into all of these allegations which this this thing
Speaker 1: has been beaten. This it got so abused in the media,
Speaker 1: so many things got called out. Is weird and awkward, odd,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we're going to go into any
Speaker 1: of that logistical parliamentary process just to get people who
Speaker 1: have read up on this or what certain documentaries, because
Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of the documentaries just to try
Speaker 1: to find some of this stuff. Be warned, we're not
Speaker 1: going into this operation. Also be warned. I guess people
Speaker 1: may or may not know. I know, Steve one in
Speaker 1: knowing this, but many of the documentaries about this have
Speaker 1: been produced by all FAI, A number of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are some that are independently produced and some that
Speaker 1: are influenced or monetarily or politically by him. Back to
Speaker 1: Operation Hope, I'm not mispronouncing that the contact of that
Speaker 1: Special Service first, and they were given access to the
Speaker 1: database as another documentation. And of course they didn't let
Speaker 1: just anybody look at that stuff. They had to have
Speaker 1: to be people with the appropriate security clearances, which most
Speaker 1: of the people who are investigating this were though, I
Speaker 1: mean it was, it was a high level investigation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in quest. Yeah, so, first of all, the assassination memo.
Speaker 1: After tom us and left Special Service, he began to
Speaker 1: write his books. Obviously, specially the Special Service was not
Speaker 1: really keen on this. They instigated still civil proceedings against
Speaker 1: him in nineteen to stop him publishing his book. He
Speaker 1: was ordered ordered to turn over his manuscript. Chapter eight
Speaker 1: of the manuscript talks about the assassination memo, and in
Speaker 1: that version of the manuscript it only discussed using a
Speaker 1: drive by shooting to kill Molosavik. That was a little
Speaker 1: different that was in ninete October nine seven, after the Desks,
Speaker 1: Thomason was arrested for official secrets acts offenses. His manuscript
Speaker 1: was seized again. Chapter eight again had a mention of
Speaker 1: the memo in there, but no mention of a plan
Speaker 1: to use blinding lights and tunnels to kill people. And
Speaker 1: then it made the following year in nineteen Thomlinson first
Speaker 1: met Mohammed al Fayod and then in August night Thomason
Speaker 1: changed his story. Yeah, yeah, they're actually yeah, the Rishan
Speaker 1: Patch actually was able to find that memo. It was
Speaker 1: written in and it did discuss the possible assassination of
Speaker 1: a certain Balkan extremist who was not Melissavik, but it
Speaker 1: didn't actually talk about it was only a justification for
Speaker 1: it as a as a way to pronounce to prevent
Speaker 1: genocide and acting cleansing and stuff like that, the sort
Speaker 1: of thing you want to prevent. Yeah, exactly. Although actually
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote it gotten a little bit of
Speaker 1: trouble for it. But but that was yeah, that was
Speaker 1: about it. He um uh. He talked about the justification
Speaker 1: for doing it, but he didn't actually touch on any
Speaker 1: methods at all for doing any assassination. So was there
Speaker 1: any support for a bright flash of light using a
Speaker 1: bright flash of light? And now Thomlinson claimed that he
Speaker 1: was showing lights the special strobes that were used by
Speaker 1: a Special Service to to to blind people in helicopters
Speaker 1: or whatever, and Special Services says no. And then and
Speaker 1: they also point out that by the way you can
Speaker 1: get powerful stroke was just about anywhere. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Thomlinson apparently was shown this memo and he really and
Speaker 1: he recognized and realized that was the one. And then
Speaker 1: he did a lot of this, actually did a lot
Speaker 1: of like sort of backpedaling showing the memo by operation
Speaker 1: Paget says, says, yeah, this is the one. I must
Speaker 1: have misremembered that part about the blinding flashing lights that
Speaker 1: killed people in tunnels, and so he took my recollection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again the blinding white flash. The most people don't
Speaker 1: recall seeing the blinding white flash. It was not that
Speaker 1: well supported that. One of the one of the witnesses
Speaker 1: you saw it was a guy named front suad to
Speaker 1: the Vista, who was in a car with his wife
Speaker 1: in the underpass ahead of the Mercedes, and he claimed
Speaker 1: he was seen a white flash in his rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: His wife did not, Well, passengers don't look at the
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. Yeah, but I also think that, you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm driving at night, if there's lights, sometimes the
Speaker 1: light will catch the mirror in a weird way and
Speaker 1: reflect into my eyes and I get really angry. I'm like, a,
Speaker 1: who's the jerk with the brides on behind me? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, it was just they were going
Speaker 1: over a bump, if the car was losing control and
Speaker 1: veering weirdly. There's certainly a number of wide arc both
Speaker 1: horizontally and vertically that the headlights. It would have been
Speaker 1: really easy for it to just go real quick and
Speaker 1: it would have flashed into his face, easily explained as headlights. Right.
Speaker 1: And also there were paparazzi in there, Yeah, paparazzi with
Speaker 1: flashbulbs going off. Yeah. So that's about it for the
Speaker 1: white flash. I think a few other people reported it too,
Speaker 1: but it's still not that conclusive of the thing to
Speaker 1: begin with. As far as the two suspicious m I
Speaker 1: six guys at the British Embassy in Paris, I remember
Speaker 1: we talked about those minutes ago. Richard Spearman actually did
Speaker 1: arrive in Paris to begin a four year posting on August,
Speaker 1: so just four days before Diane Do showed up in Paris,
Speaker 1: but he had been appointed that position in August nine six,
Speaker 1: which was almost a year before Diane Doe started dating,
Speaker 1: and also in August when he arrived, nobody knew to
Speaker 1: Die and Doughtie were going to be showing up in Paris. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really knew. I don't know that
Speaker 1: they necessarily planned it, No, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think there was. There was talk that there were calls
Speaker 1: to the paparazzi when they were on their yacht, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that there were calls to the rest
Speaker 1: of the world to tell everybody, Hey, this is where
Speaker 1: we're going, instead of hey, we're here, this is where
Speaker 1: we're at. Yeah, especially if you have private security. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so obviously you're gonna probably want to keep most of
Speaker 1: your move a secret, just for Wes Hassle factor. Let's
Speaker 1: remember the other shadowy diplomat who who came and went
Speaker 1: quickly before and after. His name was Nicholas Langman. He
Speaker 1: was recalled to London right after the accident he was
Speaker 1: only halfway through his four year posting. But actually he
Speaker 1: began his posting in Yeah, and he didn't go back
Speaker 1: to England until August nine after serving well four years, yeah, Augus,
Speaker 1: so he didn't leave the week after he left a
Speaker 1: year after a huge difference. Yeah, So let's move on
Speaker 1: to nre Paull. Was that my six informants and uh well,
Speaker 1: no searches of the Special Service databases and telegram communications
Speaker 1: found no mention of him. And they had ways when
Speaker 1: they were going through this stuff, they had fint they
Speaker 1: had ways to figure out if they're information was being
Speaker 1: withheld from them. This is again Operation Page. For example,
Speaker 1: the telegrams. The telegrams were all numbered sequentially and the
Speaker 1: sequence was unbroken, and so that's how they knew that
Speaker 1: nothing was being withheld. And they found no mention of
Speaker 1: nrepall except for one telegram dated November eighteenth and ninety seven,
Speaker 1: which was after his death. Yeah, and that was it,
Speaker 1: and you would maybe mention that, yeah, yeah you think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see his name coming up after the fact. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Any sense as as to the files that Thomason found
Speaker 1: that the head of security the risk was an informant
Speaker 1: as I mentioned previously, the operation that Thomason described actually
Speaker 1: did exist and he was actually part of that. But
Speaker 1: PEGE Operation Page went through the files and found no
Speaker 1: reference to anybody working at the REDS. Again, I think
Speaker 1: we've kind of we we already discredited that. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: So how about James Anderson, photographer the paparazzi though honestly,
Speaker 1: should say out of fairness and honestly was not a
Speaker 1: full time paparazzi, he actually did. He did so, yeah, paparazzo,
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm sorry, I forgive me. But he did
Speaker 1: like to go down, like you know, in August, he
Speaker 1: would go down to the south of France and to
Speaker 1: hang out there because there was money to be made
Speaker 1: taking pictures of celebrities. Also not a bad place to
Speaker 1: hang out. No, not at all. Did James Anderson worked
Speaker 1: for the Special Service? Did he? I don't know. Did
Speaker 1: he use his white fiata Uno to cause the crash?
Speaker 1: Did he have a white Fiato? No, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, he did. Ok. Yeah, it turns out was
Speaker 1: he murdered by the Special Service? I mean it's suspict us.
Speaker 1: He died in suspicious circumstances. Also, honest and work for
Speaker 1: a photography HC called CYPA, a Cyper press agency based
Speaker 1: in Paris, which was rated by masked gunmen several weeks
Speaker 1: after his death, and it took away all of his
Speaker 1: electronic equipment, laptops and stuff like that, and the French police,
Speaker 1: to top it off, didn't investigate the rate at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up with that? I mean that is a little weird. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all very suspicious. This is all good again stuff
Speaker 1: put out there by Muhammad fire. We're still I was
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say, wait, we need to warn people.
Speaker 1: Joe is just flipped in back into purported theory section
Speaker 1: one of one possible theories. This is one thousand and
Speaker 1: one Arabian Nights. We just jumped into. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is what what's being said. But we'll talk. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about the truth or not of it. Operation feget
Speaker 1: looked into Anderson Onesson excuse me, And at first of
Speaker 1: all they want to the database it's special service, and
Speaker 1: found nothing, uh, nothing in the files. He lived on
Speaker 1: a farm with his kids and his wife in Lina's
Speaker 1: It looks like it's spelled like lignieris, but it's actually
Speaker 1: pronounced Lina. Yeah, it's friends, it's out in seventy seven
Speaker 1: miles south of Paris as the crow flies. He returned
Speaker 1: from the south of France to the family farm and
Speaker 1: farm in August, according to his diary and also courting
Speaker 1: what his wife said, and then on the thirtieth he
Speaker 1: was at home then went to bed early because he
Speaker 1: had to get up early to catch a flight to
Speaker 1: Corsica for a photography. His wife documented this. She corroborated it.
Speaker 1: He had to drive up to Orly airport. His road.
Speaker 1: His drive up was on toll roads, so it was
Speaker 1: documented because he paid by credit card. He ended the
Speaker 1: toll road at Burgs near his home, and then exited
Speaker 1: the road at am, about thirty miles from early airport,
Speaker 1: and then bought a plane ticket to Corsica. Am So
Speaker 1: conceivably he could have used his his and he was
Speaker 1: driving his a BMW. He wasn't driving the Yeah, the
Speaker 1: un that was in bad shape. Ack, I was going
Speaker 1: to say the yeah, I heard it was undable. It
Speaker 1: was a garbage car. Yeah, So it could have conceivably
Speaker 1: driven out to Paris Costa, the wreck, driven back down
Speaker 1: all the way to home, picked up is his beamer
Speaker 1: and then driven back north again. It would make for
Speaker 1: a long night. Also, his wife would have been a
Speaker 1: really really heavy sleeper lying yeah to not notice that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of emphasis placed on onon sentence
Speaker 1: in these theories. Yeah, he's easy and easy scapegoat though,
Speaker 1: especially since he's dead now and he died under what
Speaker 1: people call suspicious circumstances. I don't think are you don't know, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think doing the research, don't think they're exactly suspicious.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at on the wiki page,
Speaker 1: it looks pretty hanky. But I found out the wicked
Speaker 1: pages all wrong. Yeah, big time wrong. Yes, this is
Speaker 1: why I love Wikipedia, but it's not the end all beyond. Yeah. Alright,
Speaker 1: So so there's one stick, a stick through the heart
Speaker 1: there of or someone nail in the coffin. That's a
Speaker 1: better way to put it. One nail in the coffin.
Speaker 1: Is is that you can knock him pretty much pretty
Speaker 1: much document that he was not in Paris that night.
Speaker 1: I think through the tole World receipt receipts and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and his wife's testimony, also all the all
Speaker 1: the paparazzi at the Ritz don't remember, did not remember
Speaker 1: seeing him there. Again, it's a clote knit, close knit
Speaker 1: grow Yeah, you would think they would know. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the photographers, a guy named Fan Van Sue
Speaker 1: of Paparazzi. It's told Paget quote. If and it should
Speaker 1: have been working in Paris that night, I would have known.
Speaker 1: He is not the kind of person to go unnoticed,
Speaker 1: apparently and or honest and excuse me. It was a
Speaker 1: well known photographer. Also, they went to the closed circuit
Speaker 1: TV footage of the crowd in front of the hotel
Speaker 1: and he didn't show up. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't there.
Speaker 1: So but the white you know, the white yeah, the
Speaker 1: white you know, let's talk about it's like kind of
Speaker 1: like the white rhino, yeah, or the white buffalo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the white you know. There was a guy who was
Speaker 1: in the underpass or the tunnel if you like it,
Speaker 1: not the guy I talked about before we saw there
Speaker 1: was the blinding white flash and George does on he
Speaker 1: was in a car in the under pass and he
Speaker 1: was he apparently I don't know if he was passed.
Speaker 1: I guess he was overtaken by the you know, he
Speaker 1: was going in the same direction going in the same direction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the un was swerving and driving slowly and kind of
Speaker 1: driving erratically. What's would make sense if you've just been
Speaker 1: in this near deadly crash and you've just also, um,
Speaker 1: what's the word hit and run, you've like left the
Speaker 1: scene him in a serious accident. Yeah, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: on the run. Yeah, So passing the car, saw the driver.
Speaker 1: The driver was white and male, short brown hair. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there was a large dog in the rear seat
Speaker 1: maybe and all station or a black lamb. Yeah, but okay,
Speaker 1: I guess, like in fairness just to like butt in there.
Speaker 1: The Fiat couldn't have been already involved in the crash,
Speaker 1: right if these people were reporting this, because then they
Speaker 1: would have stopped to help with the crash after the crash,
Speaker 1: after the crash, after the crash, after different these people reported.
Speaker 1: These people reported seeing this car after the crash, after
Speaker 1: coming out of the coming out of the They were
Speaker 1: coming up and out of the tunnel on this and
Speaker 1: they saw this car. And yeah, I know the timeline
Speaker 1: is a little wonky for me, but okay, it is
Speaker 1: a little walky. Well that's probably again we've talked about
Speaker 1: the time the timeline is hard to hang on. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so large dog in the back, Yeah, large dog in
Speaker 1: the back. His wife, Sabine, tells a little differently. She says,
Speaker 1: they were overtaken by the way you know what swerve
Speaker 1: was swerving and nearly hit them, and then it slowed
Speaker 1: down and then they passed the car. Was actually kind
Speaker 1: of makes a little bit of sense. They got they
Speaker 1: got past the rack and they were jetting out of there,
Speaker 1: and then, you know, and at the meantime, drivers looking
Speaker 1: in his rear view mirror seeing what's going on behind him,
Speaker 1: you know which, and then it realizes, oh, I'm going
Speaker 1: too fast and hits the brakes and slows way down.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to draw exactly exactly, so he
Speaker 1: panics and then gets it under control. They so they
Speaker 1: passed him again and again. She noticed that to her
Speaker 1: description of the driver was a little different. But she
Speaker 1: also noticed it was a big dog in the back
Speaker 1: with a long nose, and she's thinking maybe a German shepherd.
Speaker 1: But the the Anderson's James, and excuse me, the ands
Speaker 1: James Anderson did have a dog, a golden lab which
Speaker 1: is probably say the same as what we call it
Speaker 1: a yellow lab I think so, yeah, yeah, but she
Speaker 1: never took on assignments where the goldie has longer hair
Speaker 1: than a yellow but basically the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, if there was an in the tunnel,
Speaker 1: and apparently there was, it does not appear to have
Speaker 1: been James Andenson's, you know. Yeah. Well, anyway, as as
Speaker 1: befit any vehicle that's used in the Hit of the century,
Speaker 1: that yeah, that on this Dandison family owned was traded
Speaker 1: in on another car, rather than being sent to the
Speaker 1: bottom of a river, right, because obviously it was involved. Yeah, obviously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their son James Anderson Junior needed a car in the
Speaker 1: local Fiat deal. There was offering five thousand francs for
Speaker 1: any Fi trade in any any even even a total
Speaker 1: piece of junk. They would not, yeah, exactly, And so
Speaker 1: they thought, hey, we've got this piece of crap in
Speaker 1: our barn and our farm yard not worth five thousand francs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It barely ran it and they mostly used it to
Speaker 1: hall trash from the house up to the gate of
Speaker 1: the farm which was about a quarter mile away, and
Speaker 1: that was because it was all thrashed on the inside.
Speaker 1: Was a terrible car to learn to drive in James,
Speaker 1: go go go take the trash down the road. But
Speaker 1: then I don't know how to drive. Well you can't
Speaker 1: just take that car? Yeah yeah. And then dad years
Speaker 1: later it's like, God, you're such a terrible driver. Well
Speaker 1: you look what you taught me in trash car. So
Speaker 1: back to Honeston in his farm in his car. The
Speaker 1: French police somebody dropped a dime on Drain and James Anderson.
Speaker 1: In February, they got an anonymous tip that James Anderson
Speaker 1: was secretly a Jetty and Joe out. The police in
Speaker 1: February received an anonymous tip that Anderson was the owner
Speaker 1: of the owner of a white Fiat you know, which
Speaker 1: is suspicious apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Confronted by police, Anderson was
Speaker 1: evasive and sneaky and told them that he traded the
Speaker 1: car in and where he traded it in. Yeah, super sneaky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look like no time at all. Yeah, it's telling that
Speaker 1: it took him like a fifteen seconds to run the
Speaker 1: truth out of him. Yeah. They attracted to the garaguate
Speaker 1: to be traded in and notably they hadn't sold it
Speaker 1: yet because they were about to. Yeah, and they were
Speaker 1: able to examine it it was in very poor condition,
Speaker 1: which was confirmed by the Anderson family and also of
Speaker 1: their neighbors, who confirmed that the car was a piece
Speaker 1: of crab. They checked out closely the left rear of
Speaker 1: the car and it was mostly pretty much undamaged. So
Speaker 1: if they had been side swapped by the Mercedes, that
Speaker 1: would have been a really really light side swipe, enough
Speaker 1: to leave some some paint traces, but not enough to
Speaker 1: actually crunch anything. And that's a lucky grazing because if anybody,
Speaker 1: anybody who's been in a vehicle collision, yeah, that is
Speaker 1: like going at one mile an hour through a parking
Speaker 1: lot speed to just barely scrape paint. That's oops. I
Speaker 1: accidentally didn't turn the wheel hard enough when I was parking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a I'm doing seventy and I just went next
Speaker 1: to you. I never knew it. The thing about it
Speaker 1: is is, you know I forgot the left tail light
Speaker 1: was broken in the tunnel, which I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: see how you can whisk by somebody and just barely
Speaker 1: touch him, leave a little paint and still break the
Speaker 1: tail light. Diana obvious had a hammer interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had had a well known hatred of fuel. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tail I had been replaced, although it was not
Speaker 1: a new replacement. It hadn't been done recently at all. Also,
Speaker 1: it appeared that that bat fender from from the look
Speaker 1: of it, had had it had not been replaced. Apparently
Speaker 1: there are tell tale marks if you replace an entire
Speaker 1: fender of a car that marks were left in place.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but yeah, well, most most body
Speaker 1: panels on older cars were pre painted before they were installed,
Speaker 1: so it's not old paint. So when you, you know,
Speaker 1: use the screws and the bolts to lock it in,
Speaker 1: that's gonna leave an impression in that new paint. I've
Speaker 1: actually done this. I pulled the body panel off of
Speaker 1: a car and the paint you could actually see where
Speaker 1: it had been impressed, the washers and stuff. So that
Speaker 1: makes total sense to me. Yeah. Yeah, and so that
Speaker 1: it had been repainted but at some point, but scratches
Speaker 1: and where indicated it. It was repainted a long time
Speaker 1: before August seven, probably rattal can Paigne job. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: according to the the original French police report, the paint
Speaker 1: sample they took from the UNO did not actually correspond
Speaker 1: to the white paint found on the Mercedes, although it's
Speaker 1: from from Andensen's from ye. Just to clarify, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't exactly a strictly from from there from there
Speaker 1: annalysis indicated it wasn't strictly a factory Okay, it wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although another outfit called l GC Forensics review the evidence
Speaker 1: and they came to the conclusion that they can't tell
Speaker 1: one way or another. So they came to the conclusion
Speaker 1: that it was inconclusive exactly exactly dramatic and also ones
Speaker 1: and appeared apparently in TV documentary and behind the wheel
Speaker 1: of his white you know, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: the point of the I guess you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: You talked about how we've gotten so many miles out
Speaker 1: of yeah, like a propagand but craput like one does
Speaker 1: with a Subaru these days. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: super commercial with three hundred billion miles. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: you know, my conclusion is that makes nothing but nothing
Speaker 1: but good sense to use your own car, registered in
Speaker 1: your own name, and what you have created in a
Speaker 1: documentary as part of an assassination plot that might be
Speaker 1: sarcasm for the listeners that have been missing our sarcasm.
Speaker 1: Please understand that was sarcasm. Yeah. I think the reason
Speaker 1: that Joe is bringing this particular instance up though, is
Speaker 1: because the world went crazy about him later. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because he died. Yeah, he did die later on. We'll
Speaker 1: talking about that in a minute. But you know, there
Speaker 1: were like more than eight million of those things, million
Speaker 1: of these things made. Yeah, it's yeah Europe, and in
Speaker 1: that time, white cars were pretty popular. Yeah. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a really tiny car. If you're going to
Speaker 1: going out and and like running a big Mercedes City
Speaker 1: and off the road, it's probably wouldn't be your first choice. Huh.
Speaker 1: Lightweight vehicle hitting a super heavy vehicle makes no sense muchoever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's not forget the presence of the black dog
Speaker 1: that was in the real and it was seen at
Speaker 1: the scene, you know, but yeah, yeah, obvious it was
Speaker 1: the dog. It was too And let's not forget the
Speaker 1: stupid general unlikely unlikelihood that that onson could possibly have
Speaker 1: known that they were going to be coming down through
Speaker 1: that underpass, that tunnel at that particular time. I think
Speaker 1: it's bunk. Yeah, it's all bunk. But there's more more
Speaker 1: coursers and more suspicious stuff. You died in May two
Speaker 1: thousand in a car fire. The police ruled that it
Speaker 1: was a suicide based on evidence and on statements that
Speaker 1: he had made to various people about how he'd killed
Speaker 1: himself under certain certain circumstances. Land ghastly had been poured
Speaker 1: into the interior of the car and lit. The fire
Speaker 1: was so intense that his head separated from the rest
Speaker 1: of his body. Yeah, I know. There was a hole
Speaker 1: in a hole in his skull that appeared to be
Speaker 1: from a bullet. Uh. And most mysteriously of all, the
Speaker 1: car was locked, but the keys were nowhere to be found. Dune.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, is that the Wikipedia bunk that that, yes,
Speaker 1: that's one of them had actually cited this mysterious death
Speaker 1: as a reason I believe there was a conspiracy to
Speaker 1: kill a diean Dody that he was either murdered to
Speaker 1: shut him up, or he killed himself because he was
Speaker 1: just guilty. As far as the keys not being anywhere
Speaker 1: at evidence, well, I couldn't find any evidence that's true.
Speaker 1: It is not in the inquest report, and even Muhammad
Speaker 1: Alphaia didn't say that. So that tells you something, right there.
Speaker 1: Somebody tack this one on your mystery. Even didn't say
Speaker 1: also keys are metal and drove the car there. Well, no,
Speaker 1: if I had brought this up, because he drove the
Speaker 1: car to the location and then the keys weren't there,
Speaker 1: So he's using that as evidence to say, obviously he
Speaker 1: didn't drive himself there and somebody who staged this forgot
Speaker 1: to leave the keys in the car. I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say keys are metal, and like metal melt and
Speaker 1: fire or whatever or I'm sorry, you know, I know
Speaker 1: we're gonna go into this. But if somebody standing outside
Speaker 1: the car and they're having a bad day and they're
Speaker 1: thinking about ending everything, and we've all seen people do this,
Speaker 1: they get mad and they throw something which happens to
Speaker 1: be the damn car keys and they land in all bush, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then no wonder they're not located. Yeah, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the Actually, it also could be that he was just
Speaker 1: there and he lost his car keys. He got back
Speaker 1: to the car, which is unlocked personally, but he couldn't
Speaker 1: start the car, so he decided to kill him. So
Speaker 1: I actually do not believe that's the case, based on
Speaker 1: everything we've got. Yeah, yeah, the whole well that was
Speaker 1: there was a de sercized hole in his skull, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't bullet shaped or around or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And actually the medical examiner didn't find any slug, no
Speaker 1: bullet in his in his skull or anywhere in his body,
Speaker 1: and none was found in the car itself either. And
Speaker 1: also there was natural processes by which this could happen.
Speaker 1: Due to the intense heat, you get pressure build up
Speaker 1: inside the skull and they can Actually I'm guessing the
Speaker 1: hole was in the temple, yeah region. Yeah. Uh. In
Speaker 1: the suicide by emilation I think is a bit unusual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially in a car. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if I were going to kill myself, I would probably
Speaker 1: duct tape a grenade in my head and pull the
Speaker 1: pin and then go through dope. Nope, no, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna go there. Okay, but still it's not unheard of.
Speaker 1: I mean, people do kill themselves in all kinds of
Speaker 1: interesting ways. They do. Yeah, they in the medical examiner
Speaker 1: found those signs of violence. There were no tire tracks
Speaker 1: in the area besides on the since BMW's tire tracks.
Speaker 1: His credit card was used that afternoon in the gas
Speaker 1: station nearby to buy six hundred and eight franc's worth
Speaker 1: of fuel, which police concluded that was more than was
Speaker 1: necessary to fill the tank of the car. So it
Speaker 1: looks like he feeled filled up maybe a fuel tank
Speaker 1: or a couple of fuel can or a couple of
Speaker 1: gas cans. A witnesses who had seen him in the
Speaker 1: area said they saw him in the car. They didn't
Speaker 1: see anybody but him in the car. When he left
Speaker 1: him that day, he left behind things that normally he
Speaker 1: would have taken, like his cell phone, as watch, his wallet,
Speaker 1: is that tchet case? And that same day he posted
Speaker 1: a letter to his employer, Cyper Press, asking that all
Speaker 1: of the photographic royalties be put in his wife's name. So,
Speaker 1: like a suicide sounds kind of suicidal to me, And
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go in a great detail, but
Speaker 1: fellow photographers and friends and told stories about how he
Speaker 1: had said, good, you know, if something happened to my family,
Speaker 1: I would kill myself by pouring gas all over myself.
Speaker 1: Another one said, you know, I blow myself up in
Speaker 1: my car. So there were a lot of people testified
Speaker 1: that he talked suicide. He talked a lot. This was
Speaker 1: his choice. Yeah, And this is another thing that Wikipedia
Speaker 1: kind of gets wrong. He says that his wife and
Speaker 1: kids don't believe his death was suicide to this day.
Speaker 1: And then no, that's not true. I mean I read
Speaker 1: I read in the inquest they at least his wife
Speaker 1: excepts that he killed himself. She seems to believe it.
Speaker 1: And lastly, the last mysterious thing that happened is he
Speaker 1: just you know, the special services was involved, of course,
Speaker 1: as I said, he was affiliated with Cyperpress agency. In Paris.
Speaker 1: Six weeks after the death, there was an armed robbery.
Speaker 1: There were three men in masks who went to the
Speaker 1: offices and stole all the electronic equipment that Onensen kept there. Again,
Speaker 1: as I said, the French police declined to investigate. Yeah, suspicious,
Speaker 1: it's a bit suspicious that that accusation is a little suspicious. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: no it's not. It's it's totally true. If I didn't investigate,
Speaker 1: you mean as did investigate and arrested three people. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they investigated. These guys committed serial robberies like this. Also
Speaker 1: honestly didn't keep anything in sight except for some archive photographs.
Speaker 1: He didn't leave his laptop or anything else there and
Speaker 1: so none of that was stolen, all right, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: stole a bunch of other other laptops, but not nothing
Speaker 1: that belonged to on his and and the owner of
Speaker 1: the company told CBS News some years later that he
Speaker 1: thought the real purpose of the robbery is to find
Speaker 1: compromising photos of a French celebrity who didn't de decline
Speaker 1: the name. I assume it's Johnny Depp. Yeah. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: thinks that that was the main focus and that the
Speaker 1: rest was just a crime of opportunity. Okay, you go. Well,
Speaker 1: so anyway, that's pretty much it for the Royal family.
Speaker 1: To sum it up, the whole Royal family had a
Speaker 1: murdered theory and all many many aspects. But silly, isn't
Speaker 1: It doesn't quite hold up. Yeah, I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: that's enough of the I think the Royal family. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we've exonerated the Royal family, or at least
Speaker 1: in special service and m I six and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: The next theory that we're going to go into, which
Speaker 1: is probably the most popular theory, is that Enri Paul
Speaker 1: was drunk. But when I wrote this out, I put
Speaker 1: a question mark at the end of that statement because
Speaker 1: I'm not a hundred percent sure. Yeah, we're both kind
Speaker 1: of we kind of tag team this one. We really did,
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to tag team it. But I think
Speaker 1: we're both on the same page of question mark yes,
Speaker 1: because according to all the official documents, he was super
Speaker 1: drunk and prescription drust, right, yeah, and that's why he
Speaker 1: crashed the car. So it's he's completely at fall. Well,
Speaker 1: when you like, when you google the death of Princess Diana,
Speaker 1: the first thing comes up is manslaughter by negligent driving
Speaker 1: on repall that the official verdict is that he murdered them,
Speaker 1: And well, we're going to go into all this. You know,
Speaker 1: he was sort of he was off duty, as we
Speaker 1: said earlier. You know, it's like I don't really blame
Speaker 1: the guy even if you had been drinking, you know,
Speaker 1: because well but I also I questioned a lot of
Speaker 1: it because of the timeline. But let's let's go into
Speaker 1: some of the official official doctrine here. According to the
Speaker 1: French investigation, the blood samples that were taken from his
Speaker 1: body showed a B a C A blood alcohol content
Speaker 1: of point one seven legal limit in America's like point four,
Speaker 1: isn't it I it's I think, oh eight is kind
Speaker 1: of typical. So that's more than twice three times the limit.
Speaker 1: So I think point six or point oh six is
Speaker 1: the limit there. So yeah, that's three times the drunk.
Speaker 1: You have either of you known anybody who was pulled
Speaker 1: over and got the your over the limit? Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. I've seen friends who left and then got
Speaker 1: pulled over and they were pits drunk, completely stagger fall
Speaker 1: down drunk, and they were at the limits. So this
Speaker 1: is saying that he was I use upper case letters
Speaker 1: for this super drong puper abs literally obscenely drunk. I
Speaker 1: have problems with that. Yeah, me too, But let's keep going.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll leave that be for the moment. We'll get
Speaker 1: into it a minute. The other thing that they find
Speaker 1: when they do his blood screen or blood talks is
Speaker 1: they also find it is an extremely, an unusually high
Speaker 1: amount of carbon monoxide in his blood, which is weird
Speaker 1: and really kind of hard to pin down. Initially attributed
Speaker 1: it to a number of factors. One they said he
Speaker 1: was in an underground tunnel, which is the dumbest thing
Speaker 1: I ever heard, because he died on impact. But a
Speaker 1: lot of other people say, you know, he lived in
Speaker 1: a densely populated area, it was pollution, right, But that's
Speaker 1: also dumb, because then everybody else who lives in Paris
Speaker 1: should have the same carbon monoxide level in their blood,
Speaker 1: and then it shouldn't be above average. This should be
Speaker 1: a little higher though, because he smokes cigars. He did,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that, but you know that that
Speaker 1: wouldn't put him added unusually high for the average median
Speaker 1: if he lives in an urban setting Paris or and
Speaker 1: so everybody there should have approximately the same level. So
Speaker 1: that's the baseline. He should be a little above, not
Speaker 1: extremely high. Blood work on anybody else in the car, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not that I ever saw. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: the driver, so he was obviously it'd be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what the carabon monoxide levels were for everybody else
Speaker 1: in the car, would wouldn't it. But that's the problem
Speaker 1: right with Diana being involved. You lose all that blood
Speaker 1: sample and then Doughty I don't know if they what
Speaker 1: they ever did with him, and then it would seem
Speaker 1: that they should have tested um Trevor, Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever did. Well. These things are
Speaker 1: never brought forward, of course, but but again these are
Speaker 1: the things that are to be focused to pond this
Speaker 1: is the thing that gets jumped on and everybody says,
Speaker 1: but he had, but well the other people were looked at,
Speaker 1: but those don't get reported, and of course then you
Speaker 1: know the operation peget doesn't doesn't say anything about it
Speaker 1: because it was just so inconsequential. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to say. But let's for a minute talk about
Speaker 1: he'd worked for the Fayett family for over ten years,
Speaker 1: so he had been doing private security for them. He
Speaker 1: eventually did such a good job that he got promoted
Speaker 1: to deputy head of security. He also, on the side,
Speaker 1: was a private pilot, so he liked to fly planes.
Speaker 1: That was one of the things. He kind of had
Speaker 1: this thing of I like to fly do my job,
Speaker 1: but flying is kind of what I love. And he
Speaker 1: did his job well. Apparently it got tipped handsomely by
Speaker 1: the super richist state. Yeah, there was size. I ever
Speaker 1: saw anything to said that he was sloppy. No, no,
Speaker 1: it was he wouldn't have been promoted like exactly had
Speaker 1: he actually kind of a sweet job, because these these
Speaker 1: rich people would like tip him really handsomely to just
Speaker 1: kind of hang out and make sure that paparazzi didn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So they're they're, they're, they're they're tipping
Speaker 1: him like, you know, five hundred pounds, thousand pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very very set when he died. They've got a lot
Speaker 1: of money in his bank account. Yeah. Like we said,
Speaker 1: he liked to fly. He had three days prior to
Speaker 1: the accident he had to go take and subsequently he
Speaker 1: passed his private Pilots physical. At the time, it wasn't
Speaker 1: the standard practice like it is now to take blood
Speaker 1: work and to do a but I would call a
Speaker 1: rigorous physical examination of somebody. But he still passed the test.
Speaker 1: Most to it was just question and answer, but he
Speaker 1: still passed it. And there was no there was no
Speaker 1: question from the doctor of well maybe this isn't right,
Speaker 1: so that seems okay. Yeah, And the inquest that we
Speaker 1: talked about, they did an autopsy on Henri's body and
Speaker 1: they explicitly said that Paul's liver was found to be
Speaker 1: normal and that you know, he had been taking these
Speaker 1: pills we're going to talk about in a minute, all
Speaker 1: of the different things that he had been taking. But
Speaker 1: his doctor had said that he didn't or she sorry,
Speaker 1: she didn't think that he had a drinking problem, but
Speaker 1: that he had the personality that he could develop one
Speaker 1: if he became depressed or anything like that. He was
Speaker 1: a bit depressed, it seems. He was a forty something
Speaker 1: year old man, he was, and he had to get
Speaker 1: a bit of a drinking. Yeah, and he had he
Speaker 1: had just gone through a big breakup from a long
Speaker 1: term relationship and you know sort of things that might
Speaker 1: attribute to that. So she had prescribed some things, but
Speaker 1: she said he didn't drink regularly, and when he did,
Speaker 1: it was never beyond the bounds of a normal kind
Speaker 1: of person relaxing, so like one or two. Well, but
Speaker 1: he also he was worried about it. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean. You know when you talk to your doctor
Speaker 1: and your doctor says how much do you drink? You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when a cop asks you don't
Speaker 1: tell him the truth. That's true. But the irony is
Speaker 1: what I signed up for my health insurance this year.
Speaker 1: I had this very same thing. Do I tell him
Speaker 1: the truth or do I not? Like, how much do
Speaker 1: you reveal? Because you don't want to be pigeonholed? Okay,
Speaker 1: well I have this many beers once a week. Well,
Speaker 1: that means I get pigeonholed, or yeah, that means I've
Speaker 1: got a booze problem, or or the fact that I
Speaker 1: do drink anything at all could mean that according to
Speaker 1: this duct. I mean, it's it's a really weird conundrum
Speaker 1: that it can put a guy in, absolutely any person in.
Speaker 1: But I think the impression that I had is that
Speaker 1: he was He did have that concern of I could
Speaker 1: become an alcoholic, and he knew for his job and
Speaker 1: for his hobbies, right being a pilot, you can't be
Speaker 1: an alcoholic. For a job as a deputyst security for
Speaker 1: a bunch of rich people, you can't be an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: So he did. He asked the doctor to prescribe him
Speaker 1: anti alcoholic medication. This is strange, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: if you know, I can't imagine asking something like that
Speaker 1: to be to prescribe for me unless I already have
Speaker 1: a serious drinking problem. Well unless like it was in
Speaker 1: your family. Well no, actually I can. I can understand this.
Speaker 1: So let's say I don't want to go on to
Speaker 1: a long tangent here, but let's just say that he well,
Speaker 1: we know that he had broken up from a relationship,
Speaker 1: and so you find yourself for two weeks in a row,
Speaker 1: every night going out and getting trash and saying, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, this is not good. And I don't see
Speaker 1: any reason not to do this. But rationally I know
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. I need to go see my
Speaker 1: doctor and get something done about that. And he did.
Speaker 1: He went to his doctor, and his doctor gave him
Speaker 1: prozac to help with his his moods. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: And at the same time she gave him the anti
Speaker 1: alcohol medication, by the way, doesn't bar him from drinking alcohol.
Speaker 1: It just makes it taste a little bit. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um god. I can't think of what the common
Speaker 1: version of it would be in the US, but basically
Speaker 1: it makes it so he doesn't like, he doesn't enjoy drinking.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make him physically ill, but it's not
Speaker 1: going to make it that fun. Well, it turns out
Speaker 1: in his room and the Rits they found the empty
Speaker 1: packets of that medication. Yeah, but didn't it take like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to kick in. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a you take it and suddenly booze tape. That's absolutely correct,
Speaker 1: But it indicates to me that they hadn't been in
Speaker 1: that hotel room very long, and he had a how
Speaker 1: long have they been at the hotel? The days Diane
Speaker 1: Dody know that night that night? Okay, So but what's
Speaker 1: that got to do with him in his room though? Well,
Speaker 1: but if in his room there are the empty packets
Speaker 1: from the pills, that means he hadn't been taking them.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that means he started taking it
Speaker 1: that night. He had been taking it prior those pills.
Speaker 1: From what I can tell in the research, they take
Speaker 1: ballpark five days to kick in, and ballpark after the fact,
Speaker 1: after you stopped taking them there in your system for
Speaker 1: about one to two days. All right, We were all
Speaker 1: good with that, Okay. So I say this stuff has
Speaker 1: to be in some way, shape or form in his
Speaker 1: system and that and of course that I understand that
Speaker 1: means that means dependent on the dosage and how long
Speaker 1: have the dosage has been there, But he's got to
Speaker 1: be taking it. The British in quest also operations before
Speaker 1: Well we're talking about things that were in his system, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a drug called albin dazzle. Yeah, yeah, albendazole.
Speaker 1: That sounds more right. I like that way. Uh, it
Speaker 1: was unaccounted for his doctor hadn't prescribed it to him.
Speaker 1: It was found in a hair sample of his. So
Speaker 1: they tested his hair right as well for his drugs,
Speaker 1: because you do that sometimes, right, Some stuff doesn't show
Speaker 1: up in your blood necessarily. And it's a drug commonly
Speaker 1: given to homeless people in the United Kingdom, and it
Speaker 1: treats worm infestations like ring warring ring worm and things
Speaker 1: like that. You're laughing, but this is true, and it
Speaker 1: was found in his hair. It's a worm medicine, which
Speaker 1: is just so weird to me. Yeah, that's why I'm
Speaker 1: laughing at it, because that's just so odd. It's also
Speaker 1: odd that his doctor and prescribe it. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: grind this stuff up and snort it, does it get
Speaker 1: you high? I don't know. I didn't do that. That's unlikely.
Speaker 1: Does it get the worms high? Probably? The side effects
Speaker 1: are there are some potentially serious side effects on this
Speaker 1: that include bone marrow suppression. That's not really that important.
Speaker 1: What is important is that liver inflammation has been reported,
Speaker 1: particularly those with liver problems, which we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: His liver we'll talk about We've talked about a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then other more common side effects including a nausea,
Speaker 1: abdominal pain, and headaches. Not really the sort of thing
Speaker 1: that would really affect your blood alcohol level, but it
Speaker 1: might affect your ability to drive a car if you're
Speaker 1: having severe headaches or abdominal crams or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But also super weird that they found that in his hair.
Speaker 1: Why is he taking the worming medication that his doctor
Speaker 1: didn't prescribe? You know that. The other thing I think
Speaker 1: is that it seems that he had a fairly open
Speaker 1: conversation dialogue with his doctor. He was able to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I want this anti alcoholism medication, right, So on top
Speaker 1: of that for him to like not mention, oh, also
Speaker 1: what have ring worm? That's that's a little weird. It
Speaker 1: sends up a little red flag. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about why it sends up a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a red flag because there are some conspiracy theories about
Speaker 1: the blood and hair and body of Henry Paul or
Speaker 1: on Repaul that was found in the car. This is
Speaker 1: one thing that kind of feeds into that. I think
Speaker 1: said ring worm deal, but why didn't the doctor prescribe?
Speaker 1: It's not like an over the counter medication, it's a
Speaker 1: prescription pill. So it wasn't prescribed to him by the doctor,
Speaker 1: So why didn't he go see his doctor for this?
Speaker 1: He wants somewhere else anonymously and paid cash because he
Speaker 1: didn't wanted his medical records. That's all it is, which
Speaker 1: is silly because yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was worth mentioning. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, Well let's let's
Speaker 1: go back to the night of the accident with him
Speaker 1: drinking and stuff. Yeah, okay, that stone that he was drinking.
Speaker 1: It's it's a fact. He was off of work and
Speaker 1: he was drinking. There are eyewitness accounts and receipts eyewitnesses
Speaker 1: as in patrons in the bar and the bartender, and
Speaker 1: the receipt from the bartender putting him in the hotel bar,
Speaker 1: so we know he was in the hotel. The eyewitnesses
Speaker 1: were who the bartender and a couple of patrons and
Speaker 1: a couple of patrons. But they say that according to
Speaker 1: all of this, he had two recards. And I hope
Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that ards it Maybe I don't know why
Speaker 1: I keep thinking that, but okay, whichever, it doesn't matter. Something,
Speaker 1: well I looked it up. It's it's it's an honest
Speaker 1: base alcohol. It's not super popular at the time, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of become more popular now. But he had
Speaker 1: two drinks of that, and I looked this booze up.
Speaker 1: You can buy it in what it's a seventies sentiliter bottle,
Speaker 1: which I think equates to like a twenty four ounce
Speaker 1: bottle over the counter. So I can't see him in
Speaker 1: the bar getting a twenty four bottle. So I've got
Speaker 1: a guess that what he got was a glass. So
Speaker 1: it had to be a mixed drink, which it can't
Speaker 1: be a big mixed drink because it's it's a full
Speaker 1: bottle of booze that I was looking at a nine. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're charging him for just you know, the shot of
Speaker 1: that the mixers free, or maybe he's just drinking it
Speaker 1: over ice or straight up. It to me is the
Speaker 1: equivalent of going to the bar and getting a shot
Speaker 1: of whiskey on the rocks. Now, two of those is
Speaker 1: not good, depending on the state of your stomach. Don't
Speaker 1: forget about But also don't forget this. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever like had a bar that you go
Speaker 1: to on a regular basis or not, but often it
Speaker 1: turns out in cases like that, especially like I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that this bar maybe you get what's called the brow deal,
Speaker 1: which is that you don't get charged for all the
Speaker 1: drinks that you take, and that can be possible. And also,
Speaker 1: by the way, let's not forget the bartender has a
Speaker 1: strong reason to not tell the truth later on because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be culpable for you driving drunk. Right,
Speaker 1: But we're not going to go there yet, Okay, So
Speaker 1: I just want to stick to this to drinking out.
Speaker 1: His b A c indicated that he had had like
Speaker 1: ten or twelve of these freaking things. But um, I
Speaker 1: also want to talk about briefly the carbon monoxide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in his blood, he was he was moving cigars. Well,
Speaker 1: he he was known to smoke cigars in evidently that
Speaker 1: night he had been smoking. He smoke two cigars, which
Speaker 1: for anybody who's ever smoked a cigar, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of smoking. They were full of cigars anything. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: like you know, the big, old like giant things. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've tried to smoke a cigar and I think I
Speaker 1: made it like ten minutes and made half progress on
Speaker 1: that stupid thing. Oh no, okay, well, yeah, that's I
Speaker 1: think that made me sick. That's why I stopped. But
Speaker 1: that's a lot to inhale. And this guy is inhaling
Speaker 1: several to two plus cigars that that, to me explains
Speaker 1: the carbon monoxide. I also then, okay, I'm I'm operating
Speaker 1: on the Let's say what we have is evidence from
Speaker 1: the bar is true. How the hell can his B
Speaker 1: A C be that high? Can't? Can it can if
Speaker 1: he's got no food in him? But I started rooting
Speaker 1: around in a couple of things, and I actually found
Speaker 1: some medical studies which believe it or not, exonerating him
Speaker 1: a little bit or prove that maybe the numbers aren't right. Um,
Speaker 1: there is from a physiological standpoint, there is an interaction
Speaker 1: in the body between alcohol and nicotine. And I'd heard
Speaker 1: this from a doctor years ago that nicotine blocks your
Speaker 1: uptake of alcohol. Turns out there's a couple of scientists
Speaker 1: who did a study and they took three control control
Speaker 1: groups of rats. What they did is they injected the
Speaker 1: same amount of alcohol into all of them, and then
Speaker 1: group A got a low dose, Group BE got a
Speaker 1: high dose or medium does and groups C got the
Speaker 1: high dose of nicotine. And go figure the group they
Speaker 1: got the high dose of nicotine had a lower blood
Speaker 1: alcohol content peak number because the nicotine was blocking some
Speaker 1: of the receptors in the body that pulling the booze.
Speaker 1: So if this guy is huffing cigars all night long,
Speaker 1: it stands to reason based on this study. And I
Speaker 1: understand this is a study, it's not concrete proof, but
Speaker 1: I've seen supporting studies of this and just anecdotal evidence.
Speaker 1: But if this guy is sucking on a cigar all
Speaker 1: night long, and he's had two drinks or two shots,
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be nearly as drunk as the guy next
Speaker 1: to him who's had the equal exact same amount of
Speaker 1: food and day and number of shots, because the nicotine
Speaker 1: stops the upticks. But highly weird, but it turns out true.
Speaker 1: But let's let's finish with my last thing that really
Speaker 1: really makes me question if he was total guano house drunk. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you watch the footage of him in the hotel
Speaker 1: lobby and you watch him outside, he's standing around, he's fine,
Speaker 1: he sees Diane Dody, he walks him outside, he holds
Speaker 1: the door, he waves to somebody suspicious, suspiciously, and then
Speaker 1: he walks to the car and he opens the doors
Speaker 1: and gets in. Nowhere in that crappy footage does he
Speaker 1: suddenly go and tip over drunk. Yeah, he doesn't stumble
Speaker 1: at all. Nothing about his behavior indicates that he is
Speaker 1: completely in the bag but can put away a lot
Speaker 1: of this is and still maintaining. But those people tend
Speaker 1: to have signs in physiologically, like in their liver that
Speaker 1: we talked about that would show that, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: maintain the face, but your body is paying the price.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't seem to have had that. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a while to really start damaging
Speaker 1: your liver, so but it also takes a while to
Speaker 1: learn to operate that way. I mean, I'm sorry, how
Speaker 1: many of you have known drunks. And for a while
Speaker 1: the drunks you don't know they're drunks because they're really
Speaker 1: good at operating like they're sober. And then suddenly there
Speaker 1: comes to the point where they take a beer and
Speaker 1: they go because they're just so hosebagged immediately that they're done,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's not a gradual progression, but physiologically
Speaker 1: the signs are super obvious. So none of that showed up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a little mysterious to me. I
Speaker 1: agree that. I think that it's easily explainable that he
Speaker 1: could have had the higher blood alcohol content and maybe
Speaker 1: he drank outside the bar he went back to his room. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to disagree with that at all.
Speaker 1: You still would expect there to be slurring, which apparently
Speaker 1: nobody noticed, and staggering, a little bit of staggering at
Speaker 1: that blood alcoholic content. And and for our friends who
Speaker 1: were going to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon, because I've
Speaker 1: seen this and say, well, he's that the blood was
Speaker 1: switched out or accidentally confused with somebody else's blood. In
Speaker 1: the lab, that blood was sampled multiple times, and every
Speaker 1: time he came back with the same results. And to
Speaker 1: accommodate this screaming and hand waving of it's not his blood,
Speaker 1: they did a DNA test on it. And it's a wait,
Speaker 1: I gotta look at I gotta look at this number
Speaker 1: because there's so many digits. It's a nine nine nine
Speaker 1: nine nine seven match to his mother, which so it's
Speaker 1: just his mom's blood. I say it's his blood. Although
Speaker 1: if I want to get in bed with the well
Speaker 1: it's the conspiracy. Something's going on. Okay, he went out,
Speaker 1: he had way too much to drink, he passed out,
Speaker 1: and somebody took a vial of his blood. I don't
Speaker 1: say that's what happened. But if we're going to fall
Speaker 1: into that camp, that's the next logical step after you
Speaker 1: find out it's a genetic match. That's a pretty sust
Speaker 1: just amazing a case of planning there too. Well, that's
Speaker 1: why in the tunnel. Yeah, that falls back into the
Speaker 1: m I six involvement, which we've already kind of blasted apart. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that I do think though,
Speaker 1: that there's there is the one can I say there's
Speaker 1: a compromise but asie, which is that he might not
Speaker 1: have been falling down drunk, but in the situation that
Speaker 1: they were in, they were in a dangerous tunnel that
Speaker 1: had these nasty columns in the middle that you could
Speaker 1: pile into. He lost control, which he can even do sober,
Speaker 1: and his reflexes were a little dulled by alcohol, and boom,
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, big time wrap. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: was not sober. I'm not saying he was so, but
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm amazed that he was three times over
Speaker 1: the limit. Yeah, because Joe, we've known the same people
Speaker 1: who have walked out of the bar and fallen on
Speaker 1: their face drunk, and it's like, whoo, holy hell, how
Speaker 1: did you drink that much that fast. It's you know,
Speaker 1: from a physiological standpoint that to me, I mean the
Speaker 1: people I'm thinking of, that is a long term problem.
Speaker 1: He goes ready for the next final. Oh, let's talking
Speaker 1: very fund absolutely, let's have it. And this one is
Speaker 1: pretty home grown. And I think I might be the
Speaker 1: only one in this room who likes this theory at all.
Speaker 1: We'll go down in at least. Yeah, this theory I
Speaker 1: started to think about. You know, we've been researching this
Speaker 1: episode for a number of weeks now, but last week
Speaker 1: we last week we talked about sneek haff Phillips and uh,
Speaker 1: Steve brought forward the theory that maybe her husband did it,
Speaker 1: and that got me thinking, what about Mohammed Alfad Because
Speaker 1: he's the only one making all of the claims hundred
Speaker 1: and seventies some odd claims, right, So either you have
Speaker 1: somebody who's proud of the fact that his oldest son
Speaker 1: was dating Princess Diana, or you have somebody who was
Speaker 1: trying desperately to shine the light literally anywhere but himself.
Speaker 1: So he was ashamed essentially, maybe not a shamed, maybe
Speaker 1: trying to over something up. Okay, okay, okay, And so
Speaker 1: it's possible, right Muhammad Alpha adds history is a bit weird.
Speaker 1: We mentioned that he's close with an arms tailer in Dubai. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's a very ambitious businessman. He was the biggest person
Speaker 1: who was involved with the cash for questions scandal, which
Speaker 1: you're going to have to google if you're like really
Speaker 1: really interested. But the cliff notes quick version is that
Speaker 1: alphay Ad bribed through a third party, lots of members
Speaker 1: of Parliament to ask parliamentary questions, which are apparently like
Speaker 1: a huge deal. Uh. And it was like a pretty
Speaker 1: huge scandal that broke in Britain. One of all fa
Speaker 1: Ads claims for one of you know, one of the
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy someone claims, was that he didn't think
Speaker 1: that anybody wanted to see Diana dead, but instead that
Speaker 1: she died after a plan to frighten her had gone wrong,
Speaker 1: a plan to scare her into breaking up with Doughty.
Speaker 1: So they put on like white bed sheets and pretended
Speaker 1: to be No. I think that the fear was, you know,
Speaker 1: get like, let's have her be in a car accident
Speaker 1: and she would think, oh my gosh, something's gone wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand necessarily. First thing, when
Speaker 1: I get a near miss, I think I gotta break
Speaker 1: up with her. Yeah, is that the reason? But I
Speaker 1: guess we'll put a little bit of perspective on this.
Speaker 1: We've kind of skirted around the issue. But Diana was
Speaker 1: a member of the Church of England and Doughty was
Speaker 1: and um he was part of the Islamic religion. Diana
Speaker 1: was kind of a strong independent woman, though she was
Speaker 1: maybe not the smartest of the women. And she did
Speaker 1: have two sons, and one of which was going to
Speaker 1: eventually be the heir to the throne. He was in
Speaker 1: one more than the other. Yes they are. Doughty was
Speaker 1: off I Had's firstborn son, so he would have been
Speaker 1: kind of the heir to his fortune. Even if Diana
Speaker 1: wasn't pregnant, the idea of her raising Doughty's potential children
Speaker 1: could have been upsetting to all fad for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: The flip side of do you want to get into
Speaker 1: the flip side of that. Okay, so this is this
Speaker 1: is one of the documentaries that I watched it. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure was funded by al Fai. I looked through
Speaker 1: all the credits and very conveniently, I didn't find his day.
Speaker 1: But it really seems like all of the internal interviews. Okay,
Speaker 1: short version is the opposite is true. Diana has two
Speaker 1: sons that are part of the Church of England and
Speaker 1: in line for the throne of Britain. So what a
Speaker 1: terrible thing if suddenly they have a half sibling who
Speaker 1: is Islama and could potentially have an influence on them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think, you know, to be fair, none
Speaker 1: of us are saying that. No, I think they're just
Speaker 1: I think that both of those are ludicrous. I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's a fun, fun fact about Doughty Head that
Speaker 1: I know I mentioned to you guys before recording, and
Speaker 1: both of the shock on both of your faces was awesome.
Speaker 1: Doughty he was actually engaged already when he was dating Diana.
Speaker 1: He did we We didn't mention that, did we. We didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was to an American model named Kelly Fisher. He
Speaker 1: had in fact purchased a house for them in Malibu
Speaker 1: and proposed like a couple months before he started dating Diana.
Speaker 1: He denied that he was dating Diana to Fisher over
Speaker 1: the phone. She actually has recordings of this because she
Speaker 1: felt really jilted and she was going to sue him,
Speaker 1: so she called him to confront him about it and
Speaker 1: recorded the phone conversation, and on it, he vehemently was like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not dating, We're just friends. Were not dating at all,
Speaker 1: which is what you would say to your girlfriend, right
Speaker 1: if you if she found out about your other girlfriend.
Speaker 1: That also explains the re the ring that he everything
Speaker 1: says dot he went to the ring that the jewelry
Speaker 1: store and he was getting this ring for Diana to
Speaker 1: propose there and set up their engagement. I think it
Speaker 1: wasn't for Diana. I don't think it was for Diana.
Speaker 1: I think it was for her. Yeah, for Fissure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was a diamond encrusted, freaking huge, obscene ring.
Speaker 1: Makes so much sense that, oh, well, we're engaged in honey,
Speaker 1: just got back from this trip for France and lookye
Speaker 1: here here's another thing. Look about me guarding your favor. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a bit of a side tangent. But I guess
Speaker 1: the point is is that al Fayad certainly had the
Speaker 1: means to orchestrate this. He knew where they were going.
Speaker 1: He employed the man who crashed the car. He could
Speaker 1: have easily dosed on Re with something causing him to
Speaker 1: be more inebriated than he was. Now that necessary he
Speaker 1: wants to get killed, well in that in that instance, right,
Speaker 1: he wants to scare them. Well, it's not intentionally killing them,
Speaker 1: but let's scare the holy living bleep out of them.
Speaker 1: He could Diana leave, yeah, and he could have just
Speaker 1: said to Ri, like, hey, could you scare them a
Speaker 1: whole lot on your way over there, and we'll see
Speaker 1: if Diana kind of bolts, you know, and things got
Speaker 1: out of control. Maybe he didn't know that Onri was
Speaker 1: inebriated in any way, and on retook it like to
Speaker 1: the extreme. You know, there's there was ample time and
Speaker 1: ability for al Fayed to have planned something. He was
Speaker 1: one of the only people who really knew where Diana
Speaker 1: and Dodi were headed, right, he could have organized for
Speaker 1: a white fat you know, to be in the place.
Speaker 1: In the way. That's pretty dramatic. Dramatic, it's absolutely dramatic,
Speaker 1: But I think that at the very least, we owe
Speaker 1: it to mention that. I don't think. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't genuinely think that there's good motive. I don't genuinely
Speaker 1: think that al Fayed would have had his oldest son,
Speaker 1: who he probably just adored, killed. But I think that
Speaker 1: while we're mentioning all these other crazy ludicrous things, we
Speaker 1: may as well mention this one as well. What the hell? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, my advent to look at this.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he felt like his his his Diana
Speaker 1: was a tart and and that Doughty was bringing this
Speaker 1: honor upon the family. It's all, you know, there's so
Speaker 1: many killing you can you can't find a lot of reasons,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't. I don't personally find any
Speaker 1: merit in any of them. But no, not really. There
Speaker 1: you go. So that's I think our last theory. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of doubting that he did it. Yeah, I don't think,
Speaker 1: Thank God. I also like, I don't think that any
Speaker 1: of those are awesome theories. I had one more theory.
Speaker 1: There was a shadowy coalition of regular guys who are
Speaker 1: really really sick of hearing about Diana. No not, That's
Speaker 1: definitely not the biggest mystery for me. And this whole
Speaker 1: thing is is seriously, the whole Diana of session always
Speaker 1: left me cold and always made me wondering what the hell.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are so fascinating about it.
Speaker 1: It's a cultural thing, though, Joe, We're we're in the US,
Speaker 1: We're in the Western States. We don't get that. But
Speaker 1: it is a total cultural thing, like all of Britain
Speaker 1: got into it and then it spread from there. We're
Speaker 1: not putting down I'm not saying that the Brits are
Speaker 1: not or anything like. No, No, I know in America Diana.
Speaker 1: People in America went berserk for Diana. I mean we
Speaker 1: heard about nothing else. It wasn't just the Brits that
Speaker 1: went crazy for I think that part of what happened
Speaker 1: is people ignored the fact that she was a lady
Speaker 1: right from a well off family. Her story was kind
Speaker 1: of build as a rags to riches. Yes, inderelevant, and
Speaker 1: I think people really bought into that. Yeah, it wasn't true,
Speaker 1: but even so that the thing about it was is
Speaker 1: that is that it's one thing to package something like
Speaker 1: that into a ninety minute to our movie. It's another
Speaker 1: thing to package it into, you know, twenty years of
Speaker 1: tabloid crap, I mean, which is what people did. And
Speaker 1: I never understood it that that why people were even
Speaker 1: remotely interested in Diana family. So if you know it
Speaker 1: was a mystery, I mean yeah, yeah, if you know,
Speaker 1: I sent us a letter. Yeah, I think I don't
Speaker 1: like any of these theories I've left wanting. I think
Speaker 1: that No, it's just I think, you know, car crash,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it happened, yeah, and it's unfortunate
Speaker 1: and we won't know whoever. And by the way, Paris
Speaker 1: put some freaking guard rails in that Sally the f
Speaker 1: is going on roadway system in that one tunnel. If
Speaker 1: you can't tell, we're tired now, we're getting cranky and rauchy.
Speaker 1: So we're going to go and wrap this thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I did like all the things that we're trying
Speaker 1: to come up with, not to swear. So some of
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