WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Death of Princess Diana

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of

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<v Speaker 1>things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's thinking sideways. Team Sideways here, um Devin joined by Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you guys want to talk about to me?

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<v Speaker 1>You know I had that tossed a coin and with

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<v Speaker 1>lamb not his head, so we're kind of screwed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably do something magnificently huge, or just talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I can't believe that we've made it

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<v Speaker 1>this long. Yeah, we could just pne it in. How

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<v Speaker 1>do we hold it together? It's like it's like almost

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<v Speaker 1>people just haven't caught it on yet and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what we're talking about. You haven't figured it out,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Wikipedia. Well, if you guys want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about something magnificent or like royally magnificent, should we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this massive tone that I have in my hands? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is our show notes? Why don't we throw the

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<v Speaker 1>lines open and let's just let people call in with

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<v Speaker 1>their suggestions. Yeah, let's not do that. Okay, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a phone. I can't afford it. Yeah, Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Royal Mystery. Tonight we're going to tackle the

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<v Speaker 1>death of Princess Diana, and we're not going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about so much why she died, as I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how she died. It's just like you know who killed her. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the script that's in my hand is a

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<v Speaker 1>good three times longer than normal scripts at least, which

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<v Speaker 1>so get excited. Yeah, ye, get your water bottles, your

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<v Speaker 1>grand ola ours, everybody, go to the bathroom. Go to

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. Now, we're not going to wait. Go to

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. Now, we're not going to stop. Okay, ready,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about Diana's personal history for a minute. Okay, quickly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>really quick. Nothing about this is going to be quick. Joe, Damn,

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<v Speaker 1>I've already got to go to the bathroom. Diana Spencer

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<v Speaker 1>was born the fourth child of John Spencer and uh

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<v Speaker 1>Frances Kidd on July one, nineteen sixty one. She was

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<v Speaker 1>one of four children five, but she had a brother

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<v Speaker 1>who died as an infant before she was born. Her

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<v Speaker 1>father was named the eighth Earl of Spencer in ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>which made Diana Lady Diana at the age of fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>How cool would that be? Right? Her family was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the aristocracy pretty much in any way you define it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Spencers had been really closely allied with the Royal

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<v Speaker 1>family for a very long time, and as one of

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<v Speaker 1>our experts put it, they were quote pals, but quote

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<v Speaker 1>highly orchestrated pals, the Spencer family and the Royal family.

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<v Speaker 1>What exactly does that mean? Yeah, it means that they. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of planning went into the relationship in the two.

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<v Speaker 1>Also fun fact, Winston Churchill is apparently a blood relative

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<v Speaker 1>of Diana. Anyways, Diana had a pretty privileged and curated upbringing,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm sure you can imagine. Her godfather was the

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<v Speaker 1>chairman of Christie's, which you guys know, right, Christie's auction house. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>her godmother was the niece of the Queen Mother. What

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<v Speaker 1>I never have been able to figure that out? What

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<v Speaker 1>exactly is the Queen mother? She's the queen Mother is

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<v Speaker 1>the mom of the reigning monarch. So she's the mom

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<v Speaker 1>of Elizabeth, right, Elizabeth is the queen is the monarch

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<v Speaker 1>right now, so she's she's Elizabeth Elizabeth's mom. Okay, got it? Okay? That? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I just so much royal intrigue and how the systems

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<v Speaker 1>are set up. Yeah, I talked to a lot of experts.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you did, and I read a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those didn't help me. Yeah, it was pretty helpful, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was still confused because I'm just a dummy about

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<v Speaker 1>these things. Diana was a shy child. She took an

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<v Speaker 1>interest in music and dancing, and again, unsurprisingly trained in

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<v Speaker 1>classical ballet. Apparently Diana also had an interest in children,

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<v Speaker 1>as in raising children and taking care of children, schooling them,

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<v Speaker 1>schooling them kind of. Yeah. She attended an all girls

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<v Speaker 1>boarding school, which I understand is typical of the monarchy aristocracy.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not part of. Well. Yeah, and it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't a great student. She failed her O levels

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<v Speaker 1>A k A Ordinary levels twice, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like failing your G E. D. In the US. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's basically high school high school equivalent. Yeah. She

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<v Speaker 1>was an accomplished artist, however, and she excelled in music. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was apparently an accomplished pianist as well. She

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<v Speaker 1>was a talented ballerina, but things that I never knew. Yeah, frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I never paid attention to her when she was a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course she didn't. Yeah, she was also a very

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<v Speaker 1>talented ballerina, like I said, but she was very tall,

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<v Speaker 1>which apparently is a thing that you can be. You

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<v Speaker 1>can be too tall to be a ballerina. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that. I thought all ballerinas were supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>tall and skinny. But maybe it's because you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little little em petite so the other of

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<v Speaker 1>the guy I can pick you up and trol you

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<v Speaker 1>around and guests. Yeah, maybe I have no idea. I

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<v Speaker 1>could go off on this for hours, but I just won't.

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<v Speaker 1>You could erina, Yes, I traded classically. When she was seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>she managed to score job as a nanny for the

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<v Speaker 1>daughter of major and his wife. Diana was close friends

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<v Speaker 1>with the brother of the major's wife, so it seems

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably how she got connected. She just knew some people.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a always the thing that gets me when

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a lot like did you guys ever watch

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<v Speaker 1>that movie Spaceballs in the nineties, I was your brother's

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<v Speaker 1>cousin's college roommate, Like this is this is always what

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me think of, Well, I knew your brother's

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<v Speaker 1>sister's mother's cousin. Just always so very very connected. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>connected is a better way to say that these kind

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<v Speaker 1>of connections. Yeah. A year later she moved into her

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<v Speaker 1>mom's flat in London, and then on her eighteenth birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>her father purchased a flat of her own for about

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand pounds. Getting a flat in London for

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred pounds these days, yeah right, no chance. She

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<v Speaker 1>worked a few different jobs, most of them were with children,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was always noted to have had a really

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<v Speaker 1>strong community spirit and a deep love for teaching children.

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<v Speaker 1>In seventy seven, just prior to moving to London, Diana

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<v Speaker 1>met her older sister's boyfriend, Charles Boy Yep, Charles, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Charles. Yeah, so Prince Charles like dating just two

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<v Speaker 1>of the I think there were three. In nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>Diana happened to be at the same quote country weekend

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<v Speaker 1>event and she watched him play polo, which apparently was

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<v Speaker 1>his thing. Oh yeah, the watching of the polo. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he liked to play polo. Ladies watching him play polo.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how he met his girlfriend's I was gonna say, Devin,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're not old enough probably to remember this,

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<v Speaker 1>but Joe does. As I remember seeing all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>footage of Charles in the eighties always playing polo, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's always and he was he was on the horse,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was getting off the horse, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was always polo, Polo, polo with that guy that was

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the royal sport. Yeah, Paul is cool, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way. But it looks it looks almost impossible. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks harder than yeah. Um, I I think, And I've

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<v Speaker 1>read a few accounts that say that this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a better cover story than the truth of how they

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<v Speaker 1>actually met. And they actually met drinking at a friend's apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, Alley, Oh no no. After a really brief courtship,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles proposed to Diana. They were engaged for five months

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<v Speaker 1>before their wedding, and now they've broken up. They broken up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>According to some sources, Diana and Charles both knew the

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<v Speaker 1>marriage was doomed pretty much from the start. For her part,

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<v Speaker 1>Diana had found out about Camilla, who is widely accepted

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<v Speaker 1>as charles Is first and only true love and is

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<v Speaker 1>in fact his current wife. She was married to someone

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<v Speaker 1>else when he married Diana, and we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And Charles found out that Diana was quote a vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>complicated woman already suffering from an eating disorder unquote. So

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<v Speaker 1>basically he realized that she was like a real human woman,

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<v Speaker 1>not the quote jolly country girl that he thought her

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<v Speaker 1>to be. That's that's a route awakening for any man

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that he's dating a real woman with feelings

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<v Speaker 1>and things. I don't date women like that. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know. I never understood why that was that

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<v Speaker 1>that had to be Why do women have to have feelings?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm sorry, we got programmed. Yeah. They

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<v Speaker 1>did go through with the marriage, however, despite both of

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<v Speaker 1>them kind of having to be coerced into doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>She was twenty two and he was thirty three, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a huge event. Billions of people watched this,

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<v Speaker 1>which these days I guess is not so big a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the you know, eighties, that was like a

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<v Speaker 1>huge ordeal. Where was it like Westminster Cathedra or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Did you guys watch the wedding? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>recently I saw a few pictures of it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just said, I want to have a wedding there. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to have my wedding there. That's really cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember seeing stuff about it when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I skimmed through some of the footage and

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<v Speaker 1>it is so amazingly lavish. Yeah. Well, did you see

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<v Speaker 1>the more recent wedding, more recent, way more recent wedding

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<v Speaker 1>of Prince William and Kate Middleton. I think I remember

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<v Speaker 1>seeing stuff. It was the same thing. It was pretty big,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that where there was the whole scandal of big hats.

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<v Speaker 1>All the ladies were like trying to do each other

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<v Speaker 1>with the bigger and bigger hats. Yes, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an awesome meme where two of the ladies

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<v Speaker 1>looked exactly like the wicked step sisters from Cella. Yeah. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>back to what the point at hand is. Diana and

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<v Speaker 1>Charles managed to pop out two lovely princes pretty quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>one Prince William that we were just talking about, and

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<v Speaker 1>one Prince Harry, the dreamy. By all accounts, the boys

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<v Speaker 1>just totally adored her and she was a hugely successful mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She and Charles did separate in the nineties. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>it was mutual, and they finally divorced on August. Diana

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<v Speaker 1>did a man named Hasnot Cohn, who was a British

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<v Speaker 1>Pakistani heart surgeon, and many people close to Diana said

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the love of her life. He broke

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<v Speaker 1>up with her right well, it's unclear. They dated for

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<v Speaker 1>two years. And during the inquest that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a whole lot about in a little bit here,

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<v Speaker 1>he was actually interviewed and he said that she broke

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<v Speaker 1>up with him in a park very suddenly. But a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of friends said that she told them that he

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<v Speaker 1>had broken up with her, and it's not quite clear

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<v Speaker 1>why they broke up or anything. Stuff that said that

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<v Speaker 1>that he broke it off because they dated based a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it was kind of secret. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>secret was a secret because he didn't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>be He didn't want the paparazzi and he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>the publicity, and he didn't want to deal with all

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<v Speaker 1>of that. So it was, Hey, come over and have

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<v Speaker 1>a pizza and a beer and we'll watch a movie

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever happens happens. And we do this all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't want to make this an official thing

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<v Speaker 1>and be out in public because I don't want all

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<v Speaker 1>these people bothering me. That's that's what I read. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would drive a wedge and just about any relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently most people say that he was the love

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<v Speaker 1>of her life, so it was pretty heartbreaking when they

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<v Speaker 1>broke up for her, at least despite whoever broke it

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<v Speaker 1>off with whoever. But within a month of her breakup

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<v Speaker 1>with con she began dating Doughty Fayed, And that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to leave her story for the moment. I

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<v Speaker 1>think where we're gonna go from here is we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about some of the players in the story,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are a lot of players and we should

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<v Speaker 1>probably talk about them so people have a frame of reference,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we've made the mistake in the past

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<v Speaker 1>of presuming that everybody knew who everybody was, So we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make sure we cover the basis. First off, we

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<v Speaker 1>have Prince Charles, who is not Chuck. His full name

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<v Speaker 1>and title is Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles is the first and oldest son of Queen Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>and Prince Philip, both of whom will talk about in

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. And like we just said, he married Diana.

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<v Speaker 1>But Charles was born in and he is the heir

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<v Speaker 1>apparent to the British crown. If you don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the air apparent means it is the next in line.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, so it's the you know, there's the president

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States and the vice president vice friend

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<v Speaker 1>is the next in line, so it's the same same concept,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a different term. Yes, Charles still in good

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<v Speaker 1>standing as apparent, though he is still listed when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the official websites for the crown, he's still

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<v Speaker 1>listed as the heir apparent, so I have to presume

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<v Speaker 1>that it hasn't passed on to his son then, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it's the William's son, correct, Yeah, And then yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then their daughter who they just recently had, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's Charles and then William and then his son

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<v Speaker 1>and then the daughter, so that now we're one to three,

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<v Speaker 1>four levels deep. And then it's Prince Harry. Yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you absolutely have a thing about Prince Harry, because

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<v Speaker 1>every time I mentioned him in my notes, I found

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<v Speaker 1>in parentheses so dreamy written next to it. I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that he's dreaming. I'm sorry, I'll try very hard not

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<v Speaker 1>to belabor that point. But was it Harry or was

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<v Speaker 1>it Philip? I thought it was Harry that served in Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't that Harry? Recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it is. Yes, But but let's let's get back

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<v Speaker 1>to Charles, because we're way off course. We got so dreamy.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to get back into this. That's okay, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, like I was saying, no apparent, Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>has been the heir apparent since nineteen fifty two, so

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<v Speaker 1>since he was four years old when his mother because

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<v Speaker 1>at that time his mother took the crowd and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that in a minute. Being air apparent of

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<v Speaker 1>course put him in the spotlight his entire life. He's always,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody's taking his photo and talking about Charles.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that the royal family really wanted was for

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<v Speaker 1>Charles to settle down and Mary, and I've read that

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<v Speaker 1>he made a conscious decision. He said he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get married until he was in his thirties. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come across that particular, but that doesn't that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>surprise me. Yeah, I gather his family was not super

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<v Speaker 1>excited about that. Well. No, I was reading something that

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<v Speaker 1>from the age of twenty one or twenty two he

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<v Speaker 1>was getting suggestions of possible wives and saying, go court

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<v Speaker 1>this woman and try and get her hand. In marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was a very big pressure for him. Then

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, he was probably thinking that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>rich and it's like the sixties seventies, and I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>lots of you know what, well, because I I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even think it's that. It's just I'm a young man

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd like to enjoy myself before I settled down,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has the means to do that, which is

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<v Speaker 1>totally understandable. Of course. Like I said before, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a string of girlfriends, and we briefly talked about earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>was that one of those women was a woman named

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<v Speaker 1>Camilla Shand who eventually would become known as Camilla Parker Bowls.

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<v Speaker 1>She is regarded as the love of his life. He

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<v Speaker 1>was head over heels for her. He wanted to marry

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<v Speaker 1>her from stuff that I've read, but he never worked

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<v Speaker 1>up to nerve in time to propose, and by the

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<v Speaker 1>time he did, I think he he went on a

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<v Speaker 1>voyage somewhere and he decided he was going to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time he got back, she had already

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<v Speaker 1>been proposed to by another man. He proposed at that

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<v Speaker 1>point she said no, I'm I'm marrying him, and Charles

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<v Speaker 1>lost out and that was that was the end of

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<v Speaker 1>it for him at that point. Settling isn't the right word,

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<v Speaker 1>but he seems to have settled upon Diana as what

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<v Speaker 1>the family said would be a good match based on

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody was telling him. She was a good looking girl,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was young, she was good with children, She

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't particularly you know, she was humanitarian, but not particularly ambitious.

0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, she came from a good family. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure she was very smart though she I don't

0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.600
<v Speaker 1>think she was. I think she was an exceptionally kind woman,

0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.720
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think that she she was going to

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<v Speaker 1>write great volumes of you know, groundbreaking works. But I

0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.960
<v Speaker 1>mean that that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles never got over Camilla, and he is reported to

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<v Speaker 1>have on the night before his marriage, his marriage to Diana,

0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.440
<v Speaker 1>he got cold feet and he said, I can't do it,

0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and he got pushed, and he obviously eventually went forward

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<v Speaker 1>with it and he did get married. What was the

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<v Speaker 1>quote he was wailing, I can't go through with it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the night before, Yeah, and I could just see the

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<v Speaker 1>queen just like smacking him upside the head, or she

0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.000
<v Speaker 1>was hitting with the glove. The Quarries are parking at him,

0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.800
<v Speaker 1>like three or four, Cory's attacking him. Well regardless, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've hit on this once already. But it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>obvious to this point that it's basically a loveless marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be the kind of the fuel for

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<v Speaker 1>what drove their divorce. Well, well, yeah, amongst other not

0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 1>so great behaviors on his part, but yeah, part at all. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not pointing a finger at Charles. They both

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to this marriage. They both went in it, probably

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<v Speaker 1>with reservations in my mind, so I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>say one is more guilty for its failure than the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles was always painted it's a bad guy by the tabloids.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, the tabloids are mostly read by women,

0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.200
<v Speaker 1>so it's inevitable that you know, no, no, no, no, no, no,

0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:30.720
<v Speaker 1>it's a guy. Charles got caught first play in the field,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to talk about that something later. But

0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.960
<v Speaker 1>eventually Diana got caught too, so it was only it

0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.040
<v Speaker 1>was he got caught with his hand in the cookie

0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.880
<v Speaker 1>jart first. That's why he's the bad guy. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to move away from Charles for a minute. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's move away from Charles personal prominently. I don't think

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.359
<v Speaker 1>we need to talk about him again. Well we do.

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<v Speaker 1>The next person we're going to talk about is the Queen,

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<v Speaker 1>Queen Elizabeth the second Yep. I think everybody kind of

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.440
<v Speaker 1>has a good mental picture of the Queens, this kindly,

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 1>grandmotherly lady who, as we said before, loves gloves and corgis,

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.720
<v Speaker 1>and she rules over one of the largest countries in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe when you take into account all of its overseas territory.

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Large it's insane. There's places on this list. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that we're still technically part of Britain, Like, what

0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.399
<v Speaker 1>is it. We've got the British Virgin Islands, Okay, that

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:40.280
<v Speaker 1>makes sense, Bermuda, uh Cypress, the Cayman Islands, Gibraltar. I

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize all those places were still technically under the

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<v Speaker 1>British flag, whether they're semi or fully independent or not. Yeah,

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:55.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a huge list, so yes it is. There is

0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:59.240
<v Speaker 1>a huge chunk of territory that they own. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to to Elizabeth. She took the throne,

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<v Speaker 1>as I talked about just a second ago in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two when her father, King George the sixth, passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>If anybody wants to know about King George the six

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<v Speaker 1>just watched the movie The King's Speech really not really,

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 1>not the best documentary. It's not a documentary, but it's

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.400
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of great foul language in British. It's

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.439
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of good it is. I never bothered

0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:31.040
<v Speaker 1>watching it. The soundtrack was phenomenal. Yes, yeah, Well, George

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the six passed away, his daughter took the throne officially.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a year I think it was a year

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<v Speaker 1>later she officially ascended to the throne. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what the wranglings were that delated a background check. I think, well,

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.840
<v Speaker 1>she she did take the throne, and she is as

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<v Speaker 1>of today, she is the longest lived monarch in Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>and if she lives past the ninth of September of

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<v Speaker 1>this year, she will become the longest ruling monarch in

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<v Speaker 1>British history. In history, in history. This lady. She's old.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been around a while, and medical science has improved

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<v Speaker 1>a bit since the other kings were around. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be showing any signs of giving up anytime

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<v Speaker 1>soon either. Well, and just here's here's a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're thinking, well, how old is she. She's born

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<v Speaker 1>in that's a long time ago. She she's eighty nine

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.639
<v Speaker 1>years old. Actually by the by today's standards, that's not

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 1>really that old. But as a ruling monarch, that's that's

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the thing. But as you said, medical science has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>So back in the day, was you ate a bad

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<v Speaker 1>piece of fish and you died. You went to battle

0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was a badly, poorly played battle. But she's

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<v Speaker 1>never gone to battle. Queen's didn't usually go to battle

0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:01.240
<v Speaker 1>that much. But anyways, look, yeah, which she's actually lived through.

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 1>She lived through two World Wars and countless conflicts that

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 1>her country has been in. So I mean, that's that's amazing.

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 1>One World War. She was alive for two World Wars. No,

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't. She was born in twenty six. You're right,

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>because it was nineteen nineteen. Wow. I almost completely blew that.

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.160
<v Speaker 1>My grandma's ninety seven. So it's fine, you're just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of her, that's your rights. Yeah, because your grandmother loves Corgis.

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:32.439
<v Speaker 1>That's how I got it mixed up. It's easy to do. Okay, Well, Elizabeth,

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 1>like I said, born in ninety six. She married in

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven Prince Philip, and besides Prince Charles, she

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 1>had three other children, who are Princess Anne, Prince Andrew,

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and Prince Edward. I'm gonna talk a little bit about Queen,

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know exactly how to put this. I've

0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 1>heard different accounts. Either she as sharp as attack and

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>she has her finger in every pie and major dealing

0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:59.680
<v Speaker 1>that is going on, and she knows what's happening, or

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 1>she is very disconnected and she is a complete and

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>utter figurehead at this point. I don't know which is true,

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>but there's there's always accounts both ways. But you know,

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the woman's been in you know, she's had the crow

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the throne for so long. There's so much stuff, And

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>I will say the same thing for her as I

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>will for Prince Philip. We're about to talk about. It's like, well, yeah,

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 1>there's so many things that you can just dig up. Well,

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>she didn't pay attention to this, and she was deeply

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 1>involved in that. So I don't know what's true and

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>what's not. Probably not the mystery we're tackling her, Thank God. No,

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about murder, not the Queen murder. Ye all right,

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:43.880
<v Speaker 1>well speaking murder, No, not really. Let's talk about Prince Philip,

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.479
<v Speaker 1>whose official title is Duke of Edinburgh. Prince Philip, did

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:51.120
<v Speaker 1>we say it right? Sorry, I'm sorry, I hope we did.

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Prince Philip was born in n and just like the Queen,

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.919
<v Speaker 1>he's got a longest lived title. He is the longest

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>lives spouse of a British monarch, and he is also

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 1>the oldest living member of the royal family because he's

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two. Yeah, okay, I was like, that doesn't make sense. No,

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.680
<v Speaker 1>he's ninety four years old at this point. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit different because from the rest of the House

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of Windsor, which is what Charles and Elizabeth are there

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>officially the House of Windsor. He married into the family,

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>so he is from the Royal House of Glucksbourg, which

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>is it's a house that has branches in Norway, Greece

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and Denmark, so it's not anchored so much in the

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>way I can understand it directly in Britain. It's more

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>of those outlying territories. Yeah. I've never really quite kind

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of understood exactly how it is. The royalty in Europe

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>could like trade places. You know, it's like, oh, we

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 1>needed the king, so we're gonna import came from Germany

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>because and that's that's it. I I don't I'm not

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 1>even gonna try to explain it because I can't wrap

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>my hands around it. But the thing is, he was

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>born born royal team. He was born in Greece, which

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 1>at that time was in the process of a revolution,

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and his father was a you know, a royal there.

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 1>His family was forced to leave Greece when he was

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 1>a year old. So there's the stories of him as

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a baby in a bread basket being put on a

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 1>ship with everybody else. Of course there is is that

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 1>not great pr or what? Yeah? And of course somebody

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>swapped baskets, don't they replaced him with a vampire? Oh no,

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that's no. Uh. So let's go ahead and talk about

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 1>the courtship between Philip and Elizabeth. When he was courting

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Eliza with he I don't know if he had to

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>or if he voluntarily did this, but he gave up

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>his royal titles in both Denmark and Greece, and he

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>became a naturalized British citizen, which makes sense because if

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you're going to marry a woman who's gonna be the queen,

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you should be a naturalized citizen of that country. Um. Yeah,

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want that conflict of interest either. And I

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 1>know I just kind of said this a little bit

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>about Elizabeth, but I've seen the same things about Philip

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>is that he is, while kind of a cranky old sod,

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>he's really just a benevolent guy and he's an old

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>man and everything's fine with him too. He is a conniving, manipulative,

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>mean guy who will do whatever he wants, and the

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>same thing they've been off or they've been on the crown,

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>on the throne for so long, I can see either way,

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>because they're just gonna be so many interactions. You thinking

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that maybe he's conniving him mean enough to order the

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>murder of a princess. I don't. You don't know that

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that that doesn't make sense to me. But we're gonna

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>get that later. We're going to totally get there. Let's

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>move forward, though, to the next set of players that

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about, because I know we're gonna

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>break up some of this so that we don't have

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to hear me drowning on this because I'm already getting

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 1>bored hearing like, why don't you talking about the coreges

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the last one, the last two players that we're going

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 1>to talk about, who really they're not direct players, but

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>they're Diana's children. So there's Prince William, whose official title

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>is Prince William, Duke of Cambridge. He was born in

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two. And then there is Prince Henry of

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Wales and he was born in night. So there's two

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>about two years. There's about two year and a half,

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>two years between the boys. Daniel Devon um um. But

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, probably as we talked about, they know

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>William because he had a son two years ago and

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>or three years ago, and then they just had the

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>new daughter just as the time that we're recording this,

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 1>that happened like a week and a half ago to

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>be super super recent. I don't really pay attention to

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the British royal family at all. When Diana died, the

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>boys were respectively fifteen and twelve, So williams fifteen, Henry

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>was twelve. I know they walked in the royal procession

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>with the coffin, and they don't play any direct role

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>in our story. They're more what I think we would

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>refer to sometimes is kind of collateral damage because they're

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the ones who have to pay the price for everything

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that happened, whether regardless of what happened. Yeah. Um, there's

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a very cute little quote, not that it pertains to

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>a story so much. I think I know where you're going.

0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>The little story of when Diane Anna and Charles got divorced.

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>She was stripped of her what's called the style, which

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>is the her most royal highness. Right, she's still Diana,

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Princess of Wales, and Lady Diana would still be there. Yeah,

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>but she's no longer her most royal Highness or her

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>royal Highness. I could live with that. And so she

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>was stripped of that, and William, trying to comfort his mom,

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of comes over and you know, pats around the

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>shoulder and says, don't worry Mom, when I'm king, I'll

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>give it back to you. So cute. Oh Mummy, I'm sorry,

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>it's cute. I just think it's cute. Yeah, no, no,

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a it's an absolute, totally a thing that

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>an adolescent, pre adolescent boy would say to comfort a parrot.

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I also think it speaks volumes of you know, kind

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of it's this is their tragedy, and we don't want

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to belittle that. No, absolutely not. And I think that's

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>something to point out here, is that we're going to

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>go into a lot about the family and a lot

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>about different people, and I don't I don't want anybody

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>to lose sight of the fact that we understand that

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>three people died and that's a tragedy. These boys lost

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>their mother and that's a tragedy. So we're we're not

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>going to dismiss that. But we've got to talk about

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>We've got to get into some of these things because

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>that's just that's the nature of the beast, Like we

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 1>have to dig down and find a little justice for day,

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, yeah, somebody got away with murder. I think,

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>all right, we're going to wrap up the players here.

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>We've got two more people to talk about. There they

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>are the five heads. Dot Id was the younger the two.

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>He was a son of Mohammad Alfad dot I Fad

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>was born in nineteen in the Egypt. It was the

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>son of a billionaire named Mohammed al Fayed. He went

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to fancy schools in Europe. After school, he served as

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>an attache at the U a embassy in London, being

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>United Arab Emirates. He worked as a film producer for

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>a while. I assume bank rolling films with dad's money.

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>But something you've actually heard of some of these films

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Chariots of Fire f x f X two hook was

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>scarlet letter hook. The scarlett wasn't a scarlet letter the

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>one with any more. Oh, I don't know. I never

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>saw that, never saw either the cliff notes of that book.

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Why would I watch the movie? Actually, that's one of

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>the books that I actually managed to make it through

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>topic here the He also worked for Herod's in London.

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>You guys have heard of Harrods and The Times. Yeah,

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty huge. By the way, his dad bought Herod's.

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, being a rich guy enabled dad to do

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>really cool stuff like hanging out on a two point

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>goat in the Mediterranean. The Princess of Wales. Yeah, yeah,

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 1>how cool would that be? Yeah? Doughty actually met Prince

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Charles and Princess diet way back in a polo tournament.

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>After checking that divorced in ninety six, I started dating

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 1>around and eventually started dating Doughty, which I think I

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>think it was about July n seven. They were only

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>dating for I think like forty seven days long at all,

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 1>not long. Yeah, and of course um Doughty died that

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>night with Diana. Yeah. His dad, Mohammed Alfa had was

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>born in Egypt uh and married Samira Kashogi, who was

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a sister of Odd Nakashoki. You guys are probably heard

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>about his big major Saudi arms dealer. Yeah, and that

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.239
<v Speaker 1>that guy I did a lot of other stuff too.

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so so Dodi was the nephew of Odd Nakashoki.

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess interesting, huh. But yeah, but they were only

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>together two years. They only had one child. Later on,

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Alfa Mohammed remarried and had four other kids, but that

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>was the only child by this woman. Uh Alfa had

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>founded a shipping company in Egypt, moved to Genoa, Italy.

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>In the sixties, he moved to London, fell in with

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the Amir of Dubai and luckily big for him, big

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>things were happening in Dubai that he got in right. Yeah,

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>when Dubai found oil, that region found oil and so

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>suddenly started booming. Yeah, Dubai actually doesn't have a huge

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 1>amount of oil, it sol, but they're kind of like

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the Hong Kong of the Middle East, and so that

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of shipping through the everything comes through

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of financial transactions there. Yeah, I knew there

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>was something like yeah. Yeah, so it's they're extremely wealthy.

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Lots of imported camels too, yeah, true, he's laughing. Yeah,

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>they import their camels, yeah, really laughing, Yeah, they do.

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 1>So he was involved with all kinds of different business dealings.

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>He was worth well well in access of a billion

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>dollars and when when when that meant something crazy and

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 1>still now, but when that was insane? Yeah exactly. There

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:50.959
<v Speaker 1>weren't that many billionaires back and back in the way. Yeah. Yeah.

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>By the way, he also bought the Ritz Hotel in

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Paris in seventy nine, which is kind of where a

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>story begins, it does a little bit. Yeah, the Ritz Hotel,

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>not not in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, that's an odd

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>bit of wayback machine. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, at the

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Ritz Hotel and all originated their Doughtie and Diana were

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>there on actually on Saturday August, So I guess a

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 1>few years after bought the hotel, Princess Diana arrived in

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Paris with her then boyfriend, as we mentioned, Doughty fay

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Ed via private jet. As we mentioned Alpha Ed Mohammed

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Mohammed Alpha Ed, which is Doughtie's father, owns the Ritz

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:42.959
<v Speaker 1>Hotel and Diana and Dodie planned to spend the night there.

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>They had spent the nine proceding days and nights together

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.479
<v Speaker 1>as well. Um, kind of just bumming around. I believe

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they were on a ship right there, on a freaking yacht,

0:35:56.400 --> 0:36:00.320
<v Speaker 1>super yacht. Yeah, kind of kind of the head of

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 1>security on RE Paul, right, We've seen it both ways.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 1>It's French, so I think it's on RE, but a

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of people say it's Henry. Um, we'll probably just

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>call him Paul, Mr Paul. Yeah. He had been instructed

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to drive Doughty and Diana in a rented black Mercedes

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Benz from the hotel to an apartment that Offayette also

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>owned in town, since the paparazzi were becoming kind of

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>a huge issue and the couple wanted some privacy, which

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I think is totally understandable. I guess we kind of

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.720
<v Speaker 1>just I just kind of ran with this. I'm ready.

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I've had an energy drink. I'm sorry everybody, I'm ready

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>for it. Uh, we're talking about the crash, the overview

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>of the crash, and the night, the night that Doughty,

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Diana and uh Mr Paul on Re died. We're not

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>talking about players anymore. We're in the story. Yes, yeah, sorry,

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm just excited about this. I'm so sorry. Finally, after

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.360
<v Speaker 1>months of research, tell our story for real. Though, a

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>decoy car left the hotel just prior to the real car,

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>which was meant to distract most of the paparazzi. It's

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it did. Actually, there were quite a few

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>of many of them, many most of them, most of

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>them at t am so. I guess it's August thirty

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>one now. Dodi and Diana departed by the rental car

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 1>driven by Ri, who many report had been drinking that

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 1>night but may and may have been taking some prescription

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.280
<v Speaker 1>pills that would have impaired his ability to react quickly,

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like you know, you'd want your driver to be able

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to do. And we will talk about that is really

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>deep and in fairness to Tonri that he actually got

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're gonna talk about this, but he actually got

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 1>off duty at seven pm. Yeah, and then and then

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>was basically called back by Doughty who existed that he

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>be the driver. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not as though, Yeah,

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that we were gonna we were the

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>timeline had been brought up at any point for later on.

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it said there's a three three and a

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>half hour gap between him getting off shift and suddenly

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>being back at work. Yea, yeah, yeah, so it's reasonable

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>that he could have had a drink or two as

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>he would want after work. Probably sure. A member of

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the Fayed family security team named Trevor Rhys Jones was

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>also in the car. He was actually uh, he actually

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 1>survived the crash. Yes, he was in the front with

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>reading and then Diana and Dodi were in the back. Yeah,

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 1>but I have conflict conflicting reports about whether or not

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>he was wearing a seatbelt. I have to Yeah, but

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 1>his airbag did go off, So his airbag did go off,

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>And again he may or may not have been having

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>wearing a seatbelt. It's unclear nobody else in the in

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the car was wearing a seatbelt. So he was in

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the front passenger seat on Ria was driving, and Diana

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and Dodi were in the back seats. Despite the decoy car,

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>many paparazzi paparazzo. Paparazzi's. Yes, paparazzi were still managed to

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>realize that this was the real car, and we're following

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>this car. Reports vary, but it's possible that Diana was not,

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>in fact actually sitting in the seat like you would

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>actually sit in a car seat. Some reports say that

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 1>she was actually like kneeling backwards in the seat, so

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 1>her her knees and legs and shins would have been

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>on the floor of the back passenger, so her feet

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>were underneath under the underneath the front seat, and that

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>she was like leaning over the seat where you would

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>usually put your bottom right. Is that a good description

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>of that? And and that was because of the paparazzi.

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>She was trying to not be photographed. And I guess

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>you would kind of feel, you know, you kind of

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.760
<v Speaker 1>get wedged in there, that would feel kind of safe.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think it was a good decision. Well, no, no, no,

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I've seen I've seen people do that where they crawl

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>into the floorboard of a car to avoid photographers, and

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it never fails. Somebody takes a picture of him peeking

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 1>up out of the floor well, looking like a ding

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>dong with that deer in the headlights look and it's like, I, men,

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>just sit in your seat and hold your jacket up

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>so they can't see you and be comfortable. Yeah, but

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>but it was also a long ways to be sitting

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>in that position. Yeah, it was. It was a while.

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>So Henri was driving pretty fast. We'll talk about this minute. Yeah,

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>we don't know exactly how, we don't know how fast,

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but definitely faster than the suggested what thirty five a

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>lot faster than that, definitely at least twice as fast,

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>probably more. And right before he entered an underpass, or

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.040
<v Speaker 1>right as he entered an underpassed he lost control of

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the car. And we'll talk about why in a minute. Yeah, somebody,

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 1>uh is coming actually out of the underpass? Did you

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>go in the other direction? And at the in the

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>inquest actually reported that he was speeding in at a

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 1>high speed and he appeared to be veering to his left. Yeah,

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>unknown reasons. Yeah, so we don't know. There's a lot

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 1>about this that we don't know. So I'm just gonna

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of go, yeah, this is fact that no happen.

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.399
<v Speaker 1>We know he lost control of the car. Yes, for why,

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>we don't know, but we know he lost lost control

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 1>of the car. He swerved kind of into the oncoming lanes,

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>like to his left. He didn't make it into the

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>oncoming lanes, but he swerved towards the oncoming lanes and

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>hit one of the support beams of the underpass. It

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>was support beam. Yeah, and let's let's kind of give

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody a bit of a description here. This is almost

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 1>like an underpassed tunnel. It is. Yeah, it's not. You know,

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.879
<v Speaker 1>we all we have underpasses that we all drive through

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the time. And there's maybe one or two pillars. There

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>were I think on the order of thirty plus maybe

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>forty pillars that was under a large, large road, and

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>they were they were like every ten or fifteen they were.

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a very long distance, that's the thing. And

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>they were very closely space essentially on the otter walls.

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like smooth tiled walls stone. And then

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.879
<v Speaker 1>the part the separates of the northbound and southbound lanes

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 1>or eastbound and westbound lanes. I guess is all these

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>columns is that the tragic thing about this is that

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>these deaths would have been very easily preventable if the

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.839
<v Speaker 1>City of Paris would just put a guardrail on either

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>side of This particular tunnel is the only tunnel that

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:52.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have them. Every other tunnel does. It still doesn't.

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>And apparently a lot of people have died in that tunnel,

0:42:55.440 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>not just Princess die. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, wow, he so

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>easily distracted. Yeah, I mean, we got so much material

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to go over. The car hit one of the support means.

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>It was the thirteenth support meme, as I said, and

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>it caused the car to spin like kind of backward

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, it ran into it and then

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the momentum of the back kind of kept going sun out,

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 1>so the car is now facing backwards that it kept

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>going and came to crash on the left side of

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the car up against the wall of the underpass tunnel rightly.

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.919
<v Speaker 1>It was the driver's side. So Diane Company not only

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 1>had this this big impact on the front that was deadly,

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 1>but then they got long around on the inside and

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>then they're getting heads beaten against you know. And just

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to try to visualize this a little bit for folks

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>to put into words and maybe help because it was confusing.

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Every description I read made it confusing. Is if you're

0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.399
<v Speaker 1>in the States. You're driving on the right hand side

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 1>of the road and you have a left hand lane

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 1>next to you, and those are both the same direction

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 1>of travel. Car on the left hand lane hits something

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and it does a one eighty. So this is to me,

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a very simple way to describe it. Mean, you

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>hit the car on the left hand lane, hit something

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 1>head on, does a hundred eighty degree spin, and then

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>continues to skid backwards so that it is now facing

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was originally traffic moving in the same direction is now

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 1>oncoming traffic. The impression I had actually was that it

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>attempted to do a three sixty but right. And that's

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 1>why I'm calling it a one eight, because it's spun

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 1>because of that impact. It bounced from what was the

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 1>left lane, the left edge of the left lane, to

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the right edge of the right lane, and it's now

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>facing the opposite Yes, and now it's facing the direction

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 1>it came from. Honestly, just look up pictures. Yeah. One

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.399
<v Speaker 1>reason to spun is that it didn't hit dead on step.

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 1>No hit on the driver's side. And that's the only

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>reason the guy you survive survived is if that thing

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it hits square on. Yeah, there would have been no

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>survivors for any amount of time. Well, there would have

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>been if they had all been wearing their seat pills.

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Based on the situation, none of them would now. Yeah,

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 1>but again I've I've drawn a soft track. I apologize.

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 1>So the photographers paparazzi that had been following the car,

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>they were a bit behind because they weren't driving as

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>fast as on recause they couldn't. Because they couldn't they

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>were they were, they were pretty much all on motorcycles,

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I think. Yeah. But when they arrived, many of them

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>ran to the crash to help victims, some who are

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>truly just human garbage checks did not and decided that

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 1>they would just take some pictures of the accident in

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:48.880
<v Speaker 1>defense of those guys. So, I mean, there's only so

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 1>many people who can reach in there and take people's

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>poulses and stuff like that, so you might as well

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>be taking pictures. I guess. I don't think that's I

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.320
<v Speaker 1>think that you know, that was one of the reasons

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 1>that this was such a huge scandal, as because there

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 1>was such a huge capitalization on a giant tragedy. If

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you're the first person on a scene like this, The

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>fact that you're like, well, I can't help, so I

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.400
<v Speaker 1>may as well make a whole buttload of money. Just

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 1>makes me think that you are one of the worst

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of human beings. Yeah, anyways, but some of them

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 1>actually did administer first aid. Yeah, some of them did

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:24.399
<v Speaker 1>try to help. Try. Both men on the left side

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>of the car, which was driver on re Paul and

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>then the real ps rear passenger Doughty fa Ed were

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>dead I think pretty much on impact on the impact

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>with the poll. Yeah, there's a whole list of their injuries,

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 1>but it's safe to say they were they were super dead.

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Responders apparently first responders. Medical responders did apparently try to

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 1>resuscitate Doughty, but I think that that was probably more

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>for Diana's sake than anything else. Why why do you

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 1>say that? Because I know Diana didn't die right away,

0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 1>but why was it her? Well? So, okay, so one

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that you would administer CPR, By and large,

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if people know this or not, but

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>by and large, CPR does not successfully resuss tate people.

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it happens, very but very rarely does it actually

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>happen Nine times out of ten, if a first responder

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>is performing that. It's to calm the people who are

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 1>bystanders or loved ones. So if you have a woman

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.360
<v Speaker 1>who is ostensibly in love with a guy, whether or

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>not that's true, right cares about this person is probably

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>in shock, massive shock, probably has huge injuries. The last

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.720
<v Speaker 1>thing you want her doing is also freaking the crap

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 1>out that why are you not helping? Yes, so I

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>see where you're heading. That's my opinion. That's not something

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that you know, people say around, but in my opinion,

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that would be they would be more trying to do

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that just to kind of calm her down a little bit,

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:48.839
<v Speaker 1>like you no, No, that makes sense. And I've read

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the research on how ineffective cprs in most situations because

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>cprs for getting the respiratory process going and getting the

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the pulmonary process going. But most things that people fall

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:07.239
<v Speaker 1>down dead from are not that. So that doesn't that

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 1>doesn't stimulate anything because those aren't the causes. Well, it

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't restart. It does help circulate until you can restart.

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I got it. Anyways, as Diana, Diana, as I said,

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.879
<v Speaker 1>was reported to have been kneeling in the back seat,

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.320
<v Speaker 1>and reports do differ either she was still in that

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:28.360
<v Speaker 1>position with her you know, back to the road, or

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the back seat with her head rested on

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the back of the front passenger seat. So depending on

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.880
<v Speaker 1>what position she had been in the crash, most reports

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:41.440
<v Speaker 1>are that Diana had no serious outward injuries, which has

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.720
<v Speaker 1>been a big reason for a lot of conspiracy theories,

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 1>especially the more sinister ones. She was conscious, she was

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 1>rumored to have been murmuring, oh my God, and leave

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>me alone. One photographer who was trying to help said

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 1>that she was sitting on the seat with her head

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>rested on the front of the seat, with blood coming

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 1>out of her nose and ears, and that her feet

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 1>were stuck. That he had tried to help her out

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>of the car and under the Yeah, he said that

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>he told her that help was on the way, and

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 1>she just blinked and didn't say anything. And as a

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:16.720
<v Speaker 1>side note, there are photos of her after the accident,

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>sitting in a car. Those guys, some of those guys

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 1>did take pictures there. Well, there's there's a one very

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>iconic photo of like people kind of standing around her

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:29.839
<v Speaker 1>and she's just sitting there, totally unaffected, totally fine. From

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff that I've read, and I'm inclined

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to believe it. That's actually a photo from earlier in

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the night when she was getting into the car thereund

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 1>when they got in the car leaving the hotel. Yeah,

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and if you kind of look closely at that picture,

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look like the car's trashed really, and I

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it's really it's a super zoom in. There are photos

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that are probably her of you can kind of just

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 1>see the top of her head and like the car

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:58.840
<v Speaker 1>super trashed and that that I'm i'mclined to believe that

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that's her, But I don't think that one picture a

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of I've read a couple of things that said

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.359
<v Speaker 1>that's actually picture from early in the night, and I'm

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely inclined to believe it. I think you'd be able

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 1>to tell because the car, I mean, if you've seen

0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>pictures of the car, and I'm sure you guys have,

0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and then they cut the top off of the Jaws

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>of Life to get people like that car was completely

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 1>blitzed once they were done with it after the accident

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and after the recovery and the pictures that I that

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I do believe it's after the Jaws of Life you

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 1>can see Diana's little blonde head sitting there in the

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:39.360
<v Speaker 1>seat a little blunted. I mean, that's why. But the

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>one that is apparently that people say, you know, look,

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>she's not injured at all. It's from earlier in the night.

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I totally I'm on board with that. Yeah, Trevor,

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Remember Trevor. He was conscious, but he sustained really serious

0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:01.879
<v Speaker 1>facial injuries because the airbag had deployed. Again, no good

0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 1>reports on if he had a seat belt or not.

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he probably did. I've heard he was

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the only one who had I've heard that too, but

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:10.959
<v Speaker 1>I've also heard that he didn't have a seat belt.

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to tell. I think what is important to

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 1>note is he hit his head really hard. And I

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>kept asking the question. I actually asked you guys this

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:25.680
<v Speaker 1>question just right before we started recording. I was like, oh, yeah,

0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 1>there was a survivor. How come he can't tell us

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.480
<v Speaker 1>what happened? And it's like, oh, yeah, he hit his

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 1>head really hard. He probably lost his memories from hours, days,

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:37.600
<v Speaker 1>weeks before. I have known people have been at serious

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>accidents and they say they have no memory of it. Yeah, No, memory.

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.719
<v Speaker 1>I've been in car accidents where the airbag went off,

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and I remember the airbag going off, but that's it.

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't remember minutes prior or minutes after, because

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's just such a wall up to the noggin. Yeah

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I was. I mean, I was in a car accident

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 1>recently and I didn't even hit my head and you know,

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the like minute impact. I'm just like, I don't know

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:05.320
<v Speaker 1>what happened. I'm sorry. So let's talk about the timeline

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of emergency responders. Um, real question. It sets me up

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, some some red flags here for me.

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 1>The first emergency officials to arrive on the scene were

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:19.360
<v Speaker 1>two police officers and they arrived around twelve thirty am.

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Two more officers arrived at twelve thirty two am. Doctor

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Jean Marc Martino, a specialist in anesthetics and intensive care

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 1>treatment who was the doctor in charge of an ambulance,

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:37.759
<v Speaker 1>arrived around twelve forty am. The princess was removed from

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the car at one am. Jaws of life take a while.

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>You want to safely remove from a car, make sure

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:48.759
<v Speaker 1>their next well, some people do, and if the car

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:54.359
<v Speaker 1>is on fire, do that. Otherwise, don't do that you'll get.

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 1>She went into cardiac arrest and following external part cardio

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:05.960
<v Speaker 1>wulminary resuscitation so CPR, she was resuscitated. I guess she

0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:10.440
<v Speaker 1>was moved to the ambulance at one eighteen am, and

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 1>then the ambulance departed the crash scene at one one

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 1>am and arrived at the hospital at two. The journey

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.920
<v Speaker 1>was it was about a thirty minute minute thirty minute

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:26.959
<v Speaker 1>long drive from the scene to the closest hospital, yeah

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 1>or not, I'm sorry, not the closest hospital, we should clarify.

0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>There was a hospital that was closer, but it was

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:37.160
<v Speaker 1>a very small hospital, and the doctor in the ambulance decided,

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to move her. If we take her

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to this one, we may as well just take her

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:43.840
<v Speaker 1>straight to this other one that's way more equipped to

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>deal with all the injuries she's dealing with and not

0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>have to, you know, get her kind of stable and

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>then move her. Well. And one thing I want to

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 1>address is a lot of people freak out about this timeline.

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Why did it take so long to get her into

0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the ambulance, Why did it take so long for the

0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 1>ambulance to leave, and what they don't think about is

0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she went into cardiac arrest and they

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:08.200
<v Speaker 1>needed to stabilize her. And a moving vehicle is a

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 1>vibrating object with it stops and starts, which is going

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:16.720
<v Speaker 1>to have an impact on the health of somebody's whose

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>heart rate is unstable already. So that's one of the

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>reasons that they didn't just as you see in the

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:26.759
<v Speaker 1>TV shows flip the flash of lights and you know,

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:29.719
<v Speaker 1>gun on the gas pedal and rock it down the road.

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.919
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't do that. Yeah, that does make a little

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 1>more difficult, it does. It is you know, that's it

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.439
<v Speaker 1>seems like a long time. I think, you know, half

0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.320
<v Speaker 1>of me wants to say, that's a long twenty minutes

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in between all those things, that's a long time. The

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>other part of me that's you know, first aid trained

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and things like that, wants to say, no, that's totally reasonable.

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 1>So I, you know, I'm on the fence on that one. Yeah, no,

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I I totally I side with the doctors and medical

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:59.200
<v Speaker 1>professionals and this one because you don't just go bouncing

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:03.279
<v Speaker 1>people around just gone through all that. If these guys

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to like kill her by slow boating, the

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:08.960
<v Speaker 1>whole process of getting into the the hospital. You don't

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.120
<v Speaker 1>really need to do that. Get Russia to the hospitals,

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.320
<v Speaker 1>which which looks better, and then later on you smother

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.800
<v Speaker 1>her with a pillow. It's not yeah, or Russia to

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the hospital, knowing that that's going to make things worse,

0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:24.120
<v Speaker 1>going to exacerbate the situation. So once she made it

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:27.919
<v Speaker 1>to the hospital, it was discovered that her injuries were

0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 1>just incredibly severe. Her heart had been displaced to the

0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>right side of her body, Yeah, which of course tore

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:39.880
<v Speaker 1>the pulmonary vein and also the heart of her wall. Surprise, surprise,

0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the wall of her heart, not the heart of her wall, whichever,

0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. Extensive attempts were made to resuscitate her, including

0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:51.920
<v Speaker 1>internal heart massage right which I think you can probably

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 1>figure out what that is. Somebody with her hand in

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:57.640
<v Speaker 1>his chest set it cracked her open squeeze or two.

0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:01.319
<v Speaker 1>But at four am she was pronounced dead. At two

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 1>pm the next day, Prince Charles and Diana's two older

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.279
<v Speaker 1>sisters arrived in Paris to collect her body and took

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it directly back to London. And she this is another

0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 1>thing that kind of set some people off. She was

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 1>actually embalmbed before she was taken back to London. There

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>was an autopsy done, although I don't think it was

0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:23.720
<v Speaker 1>very curse. It was really cursey. I mean, when somebody's

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:26.120
<v Speaker 1>heart has been displaced to the other side of their body,

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I think people kind of say, yeah, that probably did it.

0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 1>You probably don't need to go in a great depth.

0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Why would you pull out every organ away, um and

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.280
<v Speaker 1>check them and run all this point, it's very obvious

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that what happened is everything from the left shifted to

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the right. Yeah. And the other consideration I think, and

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:46.320
<v Speaker 1>this is probably fair, is that they didn't think that

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>her loved ones needed to see her in the state

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 1>that she would have had to have been in had

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>they done all that extensive stuff. They kind of just

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.799
<v Speaker 1>did the things they needed to do and sewed her

0:56:57.920 --> 0:56:59.840
<v Speaker 1>up and got you know, got her cleaned up and

0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.359
<v Speaker 1>sent her on her way, which I think is fair.

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.839
<v Speaker 1>But that does set a lot of people off, which

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I think is also fair. Yeah, that's that. That raises

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot both things. Yeah, there's some weird stuff in

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:15.359
<v Speaker 1>the crash that we should go back and address real quick.

0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>One of those things is that there may have been

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and probably was and b I probably was I mean

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 1>sure there was another car involved. The French police issued

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.560
<v Speaker 1>a search warrant for a white Fiat un which is

0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it's basically it's a small hatchback. It's a little dinky car. Yeah,

0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 1>they weigh nothing. It's like the cheapest hashback car in

0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the world, that's what it is. Yeah. Apparently the way

0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 1>they figured it was a white you know, is they

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 1>found further off the roadway where the where the Mercedes

0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 1>had been before a crash. They found the broken tailed

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:58.240
<v Speaker 1>from a and the white paint on this and they

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 1>figured out this must have side swap sidewips, you know. Yeah,

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and that may be cause the accident or certainly couldn't

0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 1>have helped things. And let's be very clear here, despite

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>some of the accusations that have been thrown around that

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:16.760
<v Speaker 1>we are going to stay later in the show, this

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.640
<v Speaker 1>car has never been found and identified. The driver has

0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 1>never been identified. We do not know who was driving

0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 1>this car or why or what they were doing. And

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 1>police did look at they looked at thousands of them. Yeah.

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Another weird thing is a bit of reporting about the Bends. Initially,

0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 1>it was reported that the car had been doing a

0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty miles an hour, which is a hundred

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and ninety kilometers per hour UM, really really fast, and

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 1>that the spidometer had jammed in place when the impact

0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 1>first took place. Later investigators corrected that and said no, no, no,

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the car was doing like sixty seventy miles an hour,

0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and that the spiedometer was digital so it couldn't have

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>been jamed in place. But the manufacture of the Mercedes

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Benz actually said that the spiedometer in this model, and

0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 1>this is corroborated by all of the literature about these

0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 1>these cars, this making model. Yeah, yeah, that the spiedometer

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.920
<v Speaker 1>is actually computer controlled analog and though the car was

0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:23.720
<v Speaker 1>certainly traveling faster than it should have been, the spiedometer

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:27.200
<v Speaker 1>automatically resets to zero when a crash occurs, which you

0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 1>would expect because it hits something and went to zero,

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>so it's not moving anymore, so the spidometer is going

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to say zero. Yeah, you're doing zero miles an hour

0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 1>right now. Yeah, But yeah, is a bit of an exaggeration,

0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 1>though I agree. I'm sorry, but I've I've driven at

0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 1>those kind of speeds. It's insane, and it's it's on

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:50.280
<v Speaker 1>a flat piece of road, it's fine. I couldn't imagine

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to do that speed on a road that's got

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:57.040
<v Speaker 1>curves and humps and underpasses. Like, if you're doing that,

0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:00.160
<v Speaker 1>that's insane, and I've done it in short bit it's

1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:04.200
<v Speaker 1>but not anything like a regular surface road. Well on

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>rehad a extensive training on like this is why I

1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:10.920
<v Speaker 1>think this is why Doughty was like, actually, hey, I

1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>know you're off duty, but can you come drive us

1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:17.080
<v Speaker 1>for a minute. Yeah. He he had well with Mercedes

1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:22.080
<v Speaker 1>been specifically, he had done several driver training courses for

1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:28.160
<v Speaker 1>anti kidnapping and anti terrorist situations, which for anybody doesn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's high speed driver training like what cops

1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>do where you're in an urban environment and you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the gas, on the brake, learn how to control

1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the car. And then there's evasion tactics and how to

1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:45.680
<v Speaker 1>control a vehicle when it gets hit. Yeah, these are

1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the things, and this is specifically in Mercedes Benz vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>Is when he got trained in this specific vehicle, not

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<v Speaker 1>this exact one, but this make and model. Yes, So

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<v Speaker 1>for as a general statement, most brand the vehicles, all

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<v Speaker 1>cars in that brand are going to operate essentially the

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<v Speaker 1>same so if I'm an a Ford Focus and then

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<v Speaker 1>I jump into the Ford Sedan, which is the next

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<v Speaker 1>size up, they're going to operate essentially the same and

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of different kind of weight behind you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's worth mentioning. Yeah, the guy should

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<v Speaker 1>have he would have known what he was doing in

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<v Speaker 1>in these high speed, possible, unpredictable road conditions. Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 1>anything else about the crash before we move on the theories?

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<v Speaker 1>What about the crash? I let me think now, they

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<v Speaker 1>after the spot where they found the Fiat till they

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<v Speaker 1>found a hundred and six ft of skid marks veering

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<v Speaker 1>to the left and in column, and then it's it

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<v Speaker 1>appears that after the car hit the thirteenth column and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of half bounced off, swung around, and came to

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<v Speaker 1>rest up against the outer wall of the tunnel, it

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<v Speaker 1>appears that the Fiat you know must have driven past

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<v Speaker 1>him on his left hand side and left the yet,

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<v Speaker 1>which suggested to me that maybe the guy you know

1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:04.840
<v Speaker 1>was either felt to be felt he was a fault,

1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:09.240
<v Speaker 1>or maybe he was drunk or suspended or something something

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<v Speaker 1>and he just didn't there stick around. And here's well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's something we haven't talked about this, this whole thing

1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:18.920
<v Speaker 1>yet that we should probably bring up now. Europe is

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<v Speaker 1>chuck full of cct cameras. There is no footage of

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<v Speaker 1>this chunk of the road into that tunnel because the

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<v Speaker 1>cameras weren't on. Yeah, I think there's multiple reasons. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I've heard that they were down for maintenance of her,

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<v Speaker 1>that they only run during rush hour times. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly. I never got a clear picture

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<v Speaker 1>of why they weren't running. Well, there's their their cameras

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<v Speaker 1>at the at the entrances of this tunnel. But I

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<v Speaker 1>got this from the the British inquest about this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were not taped. They were just monitored in

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<v Speaker 1>an office and the office closed at eleven pm. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why there's no video or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's insane to me that if you can, if you

1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:09.120
<v Speaker 1>can pull recordable footage, why you wouldn't at least pull

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<v Speaker 1>it and put it put it on a loop so

1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that you could ten hours later go oh we really

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<v Speaker 1>need the two o'clock this afternoon crash or something like that. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this is not years ago. So and most

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<v Speaker 1>of the CCTVs that were along the route. We're not

1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:30.920
<v Speaker 1>even turned towards the road. You know, A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of their thought made made a huge stink

1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:37.600
<v Speaker 1>about that. But it turns out they identified I don't

1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:41.840
<v Speaker 1>know what, maybe ten fourteen cameras along that, but there

1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:45.919
<v Speaker 1>were some that were pointed towards the entry of the underpass,

1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and that's I thought there was at least one or two.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the ones that they drove past were actually

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<v Speaker 1>privately owned, and they were actually directed more towards security,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were actually pointed at the front, so they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't actually road cameras. I no, no, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>highway cams. I understood this as they were highway cams,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why I brought it up. Okay, well, then

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, I'm completely off base on that one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The only other thing I want to mention, just briefly

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into theories, is that some eyewitnesses reported

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a bright flash as the car entered the tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>in our past. Yeah, I say that in an annoyed monitone.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about in a minute. I'm pretty sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but or I guess it's we have to mention it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to mention and it does into this next theory,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the first theory. Right, we need to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about theory number one. The paparazzi. They did well, they

1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:49.360
<v Speaker 1>were responsible. So let's let's do a little bit of here,

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<v Speaker 1>or a little bit of info. We've covered some of

1:04:52.280 --> 1:04:55.120
<v Speaker 1>this briefly, but let me just kind of run into

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<v Speaker 1>some of this. Is it's interesting. It's obvious why they

1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:04.920
<v Speaker 1>were int did in her. She's Lady Diana. She is

1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the the ex wife of Prince Charles, who is heir

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<v Speaker 1>apparent to the throne of England. She's the mother of

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<v Speaker 1>the future King of England. Correct. And then there's there's thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>He's his dad. Is this giantly rich man who has

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<v Speaker 1>his fingers and so many pies. I mean, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense why they would be interested in both of them,

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<v Speaker 1>though mostly I'm pretty sure they were interested in Diana.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineties, people may not know this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are used to this now, but this

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of record breaking at the time. Is in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties, several photographs of celebrities started selling for tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars to tabloids.

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<v Speaker 1>This became a huge money making industry, and while I

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<v Speaker 1>personally don't think that it is a profession, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a job that could make you a very rich individual

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<v Speaker 1>if you got the right shot. Though, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>right shot being a picture of two people in a car. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you got the picture of them doing the nasty

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<v Speaker 1>when they shouldn't have been. That's one making out on

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<v Speaker 1>the beach or the yacht, sure, yes, but traveling car

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<v Speaker 1>not so interesting. Yeah, And it said they really really

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<v Speaker 1>was not all that necessary to drive fast, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>christ sakes, And unless they were trying to lose them,

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<v Speaker 1>which they were about to do. I think they were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to lose them. They didn't want to know where that.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't want them to know where the apartment was,

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<v Speaker 1>because the idea was, they're swarming the rits. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>away from the ritz. Let's go to the apartment so

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't know where we're at. That's the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's talk about some of the paparazzi, specifically the

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<v Speaker 1>ones who were chasing them. There were there were there

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<v Speaker 1>were nine of them who were charged with manslaughter in

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<v Speaker 1>France based on the accident. Because they were they were

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<v Speaker 1>deemed to have been in some way responsible for the accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Those charges were thrown out in two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes sense when you think about it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they were there, so yeah, that makes sense. There

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<v Speaker 1>were three of them who were convicted of invasion of

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<v Speaker 1>privacy for taking pictures of the couple, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>so weird. They were fined in two thousand six one

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<v Speaker 1>euro apiece. I suspect that about what they sold their

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<v Speaker 1>photos for. I don't, I don't. I really don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>that you could make any money taking pictures to Diana

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody was doing it. Yeah, you have to get

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<v Speaker 1>a really compromising photo. And then the guys that took

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<v Speaker 1>the photos at the crash site probably could have sold

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<v Speaker 1>them for a lot of money. But there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of scuffle about that. But let's let's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>let's move into the actual theory portion here. So people

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the paparazzi are responsible for the crash in

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<v Speaker 1>two different ways, as we've just briefly touched on. The

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<v Speaker 1>first is that they were responsible because they were chasing

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<v Speaker 1>the couple, because as we talked about, they sent the

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<v Speaker 1>decoy car out, and then a little bit later, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the paparazzi chase the decoy car, but not

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<v Speaker 1>all of them took debait, and some of them figured

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<v Speaker 1>out that they were still there and they chased the

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<v Speaker 1>car from the back of the hotel where they actually

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<v Speaker 1>left from. Of course, then that meant that it's their

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<v Speaker 1>fault that they were driving so fast and so erratically

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<v Speaker 1>to try to escape them. I do want to point out,

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<v Speaker 1>and we we touched on this earlier, is that the

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<v Speaker 1>paparazzi were on motorcycles a k a. Mopeds like a

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<v Speaker 1>vestmus so one guy driving, one guy on the back.

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<v Speaker 1>So two dudes on a Vestment which doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>high speed. It's super maneuverable, so you can get in

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<v Speaker 1>and out and get your photos and get out, but

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot keep up with a Mercedes Benz S two eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>That thing has a V eight engine in it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was being driven pretty quickly. It's a high

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<v Speaker 1>power car. It's going to be able to escape them quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is, it's it's theorized that if they

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<v Speaker 1>had just not done their job so well, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to say it, then of course Henri wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>had to drive so fast to try to escape them

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<v Speaker 1>or evade them that then this wouldn't have happened. So although,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I would argue that if I were the

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer to argue that, you know, hey, these people are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to my clients, they should have found more creative

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<v Speaker 1>ways to escape my clients than driving like breakneck SpeI

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Paris. Yeah, no, that's that's an absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>valid point. Yeah, I think that these guys just needs

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<v Speaker 1>to get creative about evading paparazzi. I need to hire me.

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<v Speaker 1>I would. I would have him figure it out. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the easy answer is blacked out windows, but hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what do I know you can do that. The other

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<v Speaker 1>version of the theory is that they caused the crash directly.

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of an outside theory, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. It's one of the theories that Mohammad Alfa

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<v Speaker 1>had really really gets in bed with one of the hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>That guy, what was it like seventy or eighty theories

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<v Speaker 1>he purported to the Inquisition saying, it's it's some absurd number.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been that, it could have been that,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been this, it could have been I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's almost as if he sat down for three

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<v Speaker 1>months row done every idea that could have been possible,

1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and then submitted those But what he says, or what

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<v Speaker 1>what the theory is is, and Joe talked about this earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>is there's the bright flash or it was you okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. If this theory is right, the bright flash

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<v Speaker 1>was caused by the flash from a camera. So there

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<v Speaker 1>is a photographer trying to take a photo and they

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<v Speaker 1>take a photo and the flash blinds Onnre to the

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<v Speaker 1>point that he can't see, so that he loses control

1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of the vehicle. People who saw the Mercedes enter the

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel didn't say that they saw the paparazzi with them,

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<v Speaker 1>so that makes me think that they had evaded them.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore the whole flash things seems a little weird.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've also talked about the white Fiat that you know.

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<v Speaker 1>There are theories that say that when the Mercedes was

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<v Speaker 1>going into the tunnel, there was the Uno and three motorcycles.

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<v Speaker 1>The first theory is that there's the Mercedes directly in

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<v Speaker 1>front of and to the right of it is the

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<v Speaker 1>Fiat trying to slow it down and trying to slow

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<v Speaker 1>it down, and behind it is the motorcycles, or the

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<v Speaker 1>UNO is next to the Mercedes and then the motorcycles

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<v Speaker 1>are behind both vehicles. This theory runs that the UNO

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to get in front of to slow down

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<v Speaker 1>the Mercedes so that the photographers on the motorcycles could

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<v Speaker 1>get their photos, which I can see, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work for me, or that the FIAD was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get up next to the Mercedes and take

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<v Speaker 1>a picture. Both of these are saying that in some

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<v Speaker 1>way somebody with a super bright flash on their camera

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<v Speaker 1>was getting next to a car and there was interference

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<v Speaker 1>in that bright flash is what. Then blinds are so

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<v Speaker 1>that he loses control. But that would take an amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing intelligence network to come up with their route

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time to position a Fiat ahead of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I call that blind luck to have been Holy crap,

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<v Speaker 1>we're on the same route as as Diana and Dotti

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<v Speaker 1>a Doughtie. Oh my gosh, how could that be? But

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<v Speaker 1>there's also this and the witness accounts of everything going

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<v Speaker 1>into the tunnel and out of the tunnel. They're unreliable

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<v Speaker 1>at best. We've talked about witness states, some conflicts, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not all the same. Nobody reported. For example, I got

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<v Speaker 1>I read a number of different accounts that people people

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<v Speaker 1>who saw the Mercedes go into the tunnel, they were

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<v Speaker 1>like coming out of the tunnel the other way, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>And they didn't say anything about a Fiat, a white Fiat. Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have seen stuff about reports of seeing coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of that tunnel another black or possibly white Mercedes

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<v Speaker 1>that did in fact go in with them and speed

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<v Speaker 1>out of the tunnel without them and disappear into the night,

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<v Speaker 1>a different kind of Mercedes, a different Mercedes vehicle. So

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<v Speaker 1>two Mercedes went in, one came out. But the color

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<v Speaker 1>of that second Mercedes changes from traumatically white to black

1:14:35.680 --> 1:14:40.200
<v Speaker 1>depending on what you see. So well, if it was black,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been a decoy. In Diana and Dotie

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<v Speaker 1>are still alive, that's probably what it is. Probably with Tupac,

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<v Speaker 1>there was and I know there was at least one

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<v Speaker 1>other car ahead of them in the tunnel too, because

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<v Speaker 1>they also the driver of that car reported the white

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<v Speaker 1>flash also correct. And I know we're to go into

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<v Speaker 1>some of that indeed talk, but but yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's hard because there's so many differing accounts

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<v Speaker 1>of so many at least three two to three vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>not counting the motorcycles. Yeah, that's hard. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>where I land. I don't know, I don't I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the paparazzi are scumbags, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that per se. It's their fault and that obviously they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't deliberately do it because they don't want to kill Diana.

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<v Speaker 1>What a way to kill your paychecks for real. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>move on to our next theory. Yeah, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is the man. There's so much on this one. Just

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<v Speaker 1>so you guys know, prepare you know, take your potty

1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:49.000
<v Speaker 1>break now if you need to. Joe has written an

1:15:49.160 --> 1:15:53.400
<v Speaker 1>entire episodes worth of information on this next Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be talking fast. So the next theory is that

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<v Speaker 1>the royal family on with m I six and the

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<v Speaker 1>S A S got together and murdered Die. And what's

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<v Speaker 1>the s I S? Yeah, special says a special air service.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I meant with special service but the special

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<v Speaker 1>airy services, the special special service like in campuses, like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole ball of wax, like in My six at

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<v Speaker 1>My five. M I five is counterintelligence and then m

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<v Speaker 1>I six is overseas spying. That kind of thing you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get if you've seen a James Bond movie, you know, yeah, exactly. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the this is the series put forward by Muhammad alf

1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:37.800
<v Speaker 1>shocking one of the seventy. Yeah, he's put together put

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<v Speaker 1>together quite a bit of cool conspiracy theories here. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually actually have a theory about Alpha Ad, which is

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<v Speaker 1>that he's really proud of the fact that his his

1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:48.519
<v Speaker 1>son was dating Princess Die and he just wants to

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<v Speaker 1>keep reminding people about it. We can talk a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about Alfad in a little bit. Yeah, he's an interesting guy,

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<v Speaker 1>he is. So why did they do this? Why did

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<v Speaker 1>the royal family want to murder because, accoring to the

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<v Speaker 1>Alpha had that I was pregnant with his child. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not not Mohammed's child, and apparently they were going there

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<v Speaker 1>on the break of announcing their engagement. Can can I

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<v Speaker 1>stop you for a second. Yeah, do you know how

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<v Speaker 1>infuriating tabloids are. There's a baby bomb. No, it's called

1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:28.560
<v Speaker 1>a human woman who has a normal belly in a

1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:33.160
<v Speaker 1>one piece bathing suit. But he has an abdomen. But

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't It was the tabloids. They were putting this

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Well, no, but the tabloids put put out

1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:42.880
<v Speaker 1>photos of dies baby bomb and stuff like that. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, cut it out. She's just a person. It's

1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:49.400
<v Speaker 1>just been guzzling a lot of beer. It's it's particularly

1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:52.240
<v Speaker 1>frustrating in this point. We haven't actually talked much about this,

1:17:52.439 --> 1:17:56.000
<v Speaker 1>but people may or may not know Diana was severely

1:17:56.080 --> 1:17:59.080
<v Speaker 1>blimic for a good portion of her life, and so

1:17:59.240 --> 1:18:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that was something she actually struggled with. So it's like

1:18:01.320 --> 1:18:05.040
<v Speaker 1>extra frustrating to know that she had those body issues

1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and to hear, you know, the tabloids were like, oh,

1:18:06.960 --> 1:18:10.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a baby bump for her. Oh, she's gaining some

1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:17.439
<v Speaker 1>healthy weight. Punds of extra weight on she annoying anyway, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the whole, the whole Diana thing was annoying. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think Diana would have considered me her

1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:26.360
<v Speaker 1>her ideal fan because I didn't give it, damn. Yeah.

1:18:26.479 --> 1:18:31.040
<v Speaker 1>And that was so was pregnant. So they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to announcer with Deli's child, and so Princess Prince Philip,

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<v Speaker 1>not Princess Philip. Prince Philip gave the order to rub

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<v Speaker 1>her out because they obviously didn't want to have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a Muslim child in the Royal family Islam Islamic

1:18:50.120 --> 1:18:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Islamic child. But uh and the services apparently used the plan.

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<v Speaker 1>It was similar to one surprisingly that have been cooked

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<v Speaker 1>up in to assassinate slow the Sloba Don Wilson, which

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<v Speaker 1>involved a bright flash with a bright flash. You guys,

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<v Speaker 1>bright flash with a bright flash, and bright flashes can

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot. Actually you actually can. With the bright

1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:12.200
<v Speaker 1>enough flash, you can actually stun people. Actually caused him

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<v Speaker 1>a conk out temporarily. You can disorient them hugely. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go ahead with this. Alpa had said this is Mohammed,

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<v Speaker 1>that Andree Paul was working for an intelligence service and

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<v Speaker 1>that he was somehow instrumental in the plan to kill

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<v Speaker 1>Diane Doe, which is funny because you know he killed himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you know, he employed he was his deputy head

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<v Speaker 1>of security of course at the at the time. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time, he didn't know this. He found this out

1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:40.600
<v Speaker 1>later until it was sourced. Somehow he was part of

1:19:40.640 --> 1:19:42.519
<v Speaker 1>this plan knowingly or not. He might have just been

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<v Speaker 1>a catspaw. He also said that James Andenson, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a photographer, was also working for an intelligence service and

1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:53.240
<v Speaker 1>that he was present at the accident. He was president

1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:57.519
<v Speaker 1>of the president of the accident, wasn't he photographer James Anderson. No,

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<v Speaker 1>But of course this is just, this is just the

1:19:59.520 --> 1:20:04.920
<v Speaker 1>accusation is a Muhammad fiad uh It says was working

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<v Speaker 1>for an intelligence service. He was at the accident. Onsen

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<v Speaker 1>he claimed owned a white Fiat Uno which he had

1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:15.080
<v Speaker 1>used somehow to cause the accident. His Fiat Uno was

1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.320
<v Speaker 1>later examined by the French police and found to be

1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the one that left white paint on the Mercedes. On

1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the endor of the Mercedes. Onison died in May two

1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:28.519
<v Speaker 1>thousand suspicious circumstances in a car fire, which was ruled

1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:30.760
<v Speaker 1>as a suicide. But if I had said that the

1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.559
<v Speaker 1>unusual circumstances of the fire indicated that he was murdered

1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:37.040
<v Speaker 1>by the security services, although he allowed it, perhaps on

1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:39.799
<v Speaker 1>the senor just committed suicide out of guilt over murdering

1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Diane Dote. So yeah, okay, okay, well let's keep rying

1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:44.920
<v Speaker 1>with this one, because I really I do like this.

1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:47.439
<v Speaker 1>I like this, but there's red flags for me, are

1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:49.479
<v Speaker 1>things that I'd like way to see. But I know

1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:53.600
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get to tongue. This is yeah, this is

1:20:53.640 --> 1:20:56.040
<v Speaker 1>something that was extensively investigated. It's not like he just

1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:58.599
<v Speaker 1>made these accusations and nobody looked at here's the Yeah,

1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:02.680
<v Speaker 1>there's the inquisition, Operation the inquest. Yeah, what was it,

1:21:02.920 --> 1:21:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Operation Paget. I think I thought it was wrong. I

1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:12.519
<v Speaker 1>don't know, probably anyways, I don't know what it's onounced, Yeah,

1:21:12.760 --> 1:21:16.200
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and or something. I think it's eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty two pages. I think we read parts of

1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it at least. Actually, I gotta tell you, I read

1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:24.040
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of pages of that and I didn't finish it,

1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:26.400
<v Speaker 1>but always, but I read a lot of it. But

1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:28.360
<v Speaker 1>this was one of the things they investigated in that,

1:21:28.520 --> 1:21:33.679
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, exactly. They had a whole

1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:36.599
<v Speaker 1>chapter on the on the whole M I six Royal

1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:40.880
<v Speaker 1>family accusation. There were other accusations that were also kind

1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:43.439
<v Speaker 1>of suspicious. There was a guy in the British embassy

1:21:43.960 --> 1:21:48.160
<v Speaker 1>named Richard Spearman who apparently was supposedly m I six,

1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and he showed up in Paris um just like a

1:21:51.960 --> 1:21:56.160
<v Speaker 1>few days before the accident. Coincidentally speaking, another guy in

1:21:56.280 --> 1:21:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Nicholas Langman, also with M I six, supposedly in the

1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Paris Embassy or rived in Paris, he said, a week

1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:05.640
<v Speaker 1>before the accident, and left a week after. Mohammed had

1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.120
<v Speaker 1>said that this is what he said, although some versions

1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:11.320
<v Speaker 1>just say that he actually was actually arrived a couple

1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.599
<v Speaker 1>of years earlier, and he was on a four year

1:22:13.680 --> 1:22:15.920
<v Speaker 1>posting and then he was pulled out like a week

1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:20.840
<v Speaker 1>after the murders, which is like unprecedented because when you

1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:23.280
<v Speaker 1>post somebody to a country, they have to go through

1:22:23.280 --> 1:22:25.640
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of training specific to that country. They have

1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:27.519
<v Speaker 1>to they have to go through language training and all

1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:30.720
<v Speaker 1>kinds of stuff. There's a big investment. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>pull somebody out two years into huge laws, right, Yeah,

1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:39.160
<v Speaker 1>So how how to explain that Nicholas Langman was suddenly

1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:44.200
<v Speaker 1>jerked back to London just like a week after. So

1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:47.920
<v Speaker 1>that's that you had. Uh. There were also two British

1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:52.680
<v Speaker 1>photographers presence at the Ritz on that night. They both

1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:56.479
<v Speaker 1>were overheard to be speaking English. Nobody had seen them before,

1:22:56.479 --> 1:22:59.639
<v Speaker 1>and the paparazzi all knew each other. Everybody everybody knew

1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody were strangers. You're always hanging out at the same places,

1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get to know oh yeah, and so

1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:09.160
<v Speaker 1>these two strangers were hanging out there well, what's that

1:23:09.280 --> 1:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>all about. Well, maybe because there's a foreigner. Maybe because

1:23:14.000 --> 1:23:17.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a big crowd and people are saying, hey, Princess

1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Dia is here. Now, that's crazy talk, crazy insanity. So

1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:26.320
<v Speaker 1>almost all these claims originated with a guy named Richard Tomlinson,

1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:30.600
<v Speaker 1>who was an m I six officer from apparently to

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<v Speaker 1>nine when he was dismissed under quote acrimonious circumstances unquote.

1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that means, but apparently, Yeah, it

1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:42.160
<v Speaker 1>was not not a good term to a dishonorable discharge. Yeah.

1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I kind of like that. I didn't like him. Yeah.

1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Thomlinson published a book about his time in a special

1:23:48.000 --> 1:23:50.519
<v Speaker 1>service in two thousand one, which was called The Big Reach.

1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>In the bookie details and encounter with a co worker.

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<v Speaker 1>Co worker says, one day, hey, take a look at

1:23:56.479 --> 1:23:59.080
<v Speaker 1>this memo. Tell me what you think. The memo outlines

1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:03.599
<v Speaker 1>based three ways to kill Sloba Don Melosavik we've all

1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:05.599
<v Speaker 1>heard of if you haven't to do a google on them.

1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>The that one basically was about half half in just

1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:13.719
<v Speaker 1>justifying the assassination of Sloba Don, like you'd have to yeah, exactly,

1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>And the rest of it was like kind of a

1:24:16.000 --> 1:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>how to how do we do this? And so there

1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>was one Yeah, bullet point number one. Yeah, bullet point

1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:25.400
<v Speaker 1>one power point presentation one. The one would be that

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<v Speaker 1>Special Service commando is just assassinate them directly rifle. Yeah.

1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Another one option too is that Special Service recruits local

1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:37.160
<v Speaker 1>militiamen to do it, which is kind of a nice

1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:41.120
<v Speaker 1>way to do it. Yeah. And third one was as

1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Special Service does it, but instead of using guns, they

1:24:43.920 --> 1:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>just kill him by causing his limit to crash. And

1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the specific plan in this case was by using a

1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:53.759
<v Speaker 1>blinding flash to blind his limo driver, preferably in a tunnel.

1:24:53.880 --> 1:24:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right. That's why I was being an idiot

1:24:56.840 --> 1:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>earlier and thinking that this was a real thing. You know,

1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:06.479
<v Speaker 1>this is a big story. Is sorry to tie together

1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:09.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of details here, but when Tom was Thomas

1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>had first heard about the circumstances of dias car crash,

1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and he heard about that blinding flash, his memory was

1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:18.760
<v Speaker 1>jolted and he suddenly went back to when he saw

1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:23.479
<v Speaker 1>this memo. Convenient. All these details about this plot were

1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:25.639
<v Speaker 1>in his book that he published in two thousand one.

1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>He also talked about how in he was working on

1:25:31.080 --> 1:25:33.479
<v Speaker 1>an operation to recover weapons. And this actually I'm not

1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>sure if this was in his book or not, but

1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>this is some information that he passed along to Muhammad

1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:40.519
<v Speaker 1>alf Had. He was working on an operation in recover

1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:43.880
<v Speaker 1>high tech weapons from the former Soviet Union. And by

1:25:43.920 --> 1:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the way, this operation was found to have actually existed,

1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't completely lying about this stuff. Yeah, this

1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:53.519
<v Speaker 1>guy was full of hot air at times, but not

1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>everything was. But everything was so hard that that's like

1:25:59.000 --> 1:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>more frustrating to me than anything else, you know, because

1:26:02.080 --> 1:26:04.439
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, some of what you're saying is true,

1:26:04.840 --> 1:26:07.559
<v Speaker 1>and it makes sense that people try and cover up

1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff that you're saying. So is it true

1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:12.120
<v Speaker 1>or are you making it up? But that's that's the

1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:16.360
<v Speaker 1>thing of is he really a spy gone rogue and

1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:20.160
<v Speaker 1>been kicked out or is he actually his mission is

1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a plant to do with these other things, to spin

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:28.040
<v Speaker 1>these other lines. That's that's that's the total deep cover,

1:26:29.240 --> 1:26:32.439
<v Speaker 1>really deep cover, or you just a jerk lost his

1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>job and his spouting off. Yeah, there's but there's more

1:26:36.120 --> 1:26:39.240
<v Speaker 1>interesting about this, right Oh yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah. This

1:26:39.280 --> 1:26:41.880
<v Speaker 1>guy's not done yeah, oh no, not he's he's put

1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>out a lot of stuff and almost everything like I

1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>said that Mohammed came up with he got from this

1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>guy anyway back to that operation in the form of

1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>set Union. It was in collaboration with the big time

1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>armstealer who maybe that was ad naka Shogi, I don't know,

1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:57.439
<v Speaker 1>but he turns out he was in frequent contact with

1:26:57.680 --> 1:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>none other than Mohammed al Fayad, so they yeah, uh,

1:27:01.960 --> 1:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and this is all by his memory, of course, of

1:27:03.800 --> 1:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>reading these files. The informant who reported these contacts had

1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a code name, so Tomlinson didn't know what his real

1:27:10.320 --> 1:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>name was, but he was able to figure out from

1:27:11.880 --> 1:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>going through the files that it was a French guy

1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>who was head of security at the Ritz Hotel in Paris.

1:27:18.360 --> 1:27:23.560
<v Speaker 1>That the deputy head. No, no, I know, it's not

1:27:23.800 --> 1:27:28.559
<v Speaker 1>I know we're not saying, but they give people code

1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:31.120
<v Speaker 1>names and they hold back a lot of information to

1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>protect those people. So this guy is just like, oh, dude,

1:27:35.960 --> 1:27:39.000
<v Speaker 1>totally figured that out. That was just the word jumble.

1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:46.559
<v Speaker 1>I questioned credibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no there's there's

1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:49.560
<v Speaker 1>really no point and assigning somebody a code name to

1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>protect his identity and this thing and then just like

1:27:51.760 --> 1:27:54.400
<v Speaker 1>leaving information and it obviously indicates where he works and

1:27:54.479 --> 1:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>what his job is. What makes it so easy, works

1:27:57.720 --> 1:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>on the fifth Street and well and the local insurance company.

1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>But nobody will figure that out. The report somewhere between

1:28:08.120 --> 1:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>floors five and seven. Yeah, anyway, we'll talk more about that.

1:28:14.800 --> 1:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Tomlinson also heard while he was at Special Service that

1:28:17.720 --> 1:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>there was a member of the paparazzi who was with

1:28:20.560 --> 1:28:22.640
<v Speaker 1>m I six, or at least an informant for m

1:28:22.760 --> 1:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I six, who followed Diana on a regular basis. Yeah, okay.

1:28:28.240 --> 1:28:31.519
<v Speaker 1>The Brits put together an inquest called Operation Peget, which

1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, we mentioned, which was a quart of the

1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:37.599
<v Speaker 1>inquiry into all of these allegations which this this thing

1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>has been beaten. This it got so abused in the media,

1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:49.599
<v Speaker 1>so many things got called out. Is weird and awkward, odd,

1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think we're going to go into any

1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>of that logistical parliamentary process just to get people who

1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:02.040
<v Speaker 1>have read up on this or what certain documentaries, because

1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I watched a bunch of the documentaries just to try

1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>to find some of this stuff. Be warned, we're not

1:29:08.560 --> 1:29:12.759
<v Speaker 1>going into this operation. Also be warned. I guess people

1:29:12.840 --> 1:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>may or may not know. I know, Steve one in

1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>knowing this, but many of the documentaries about this have

1:29:18.920 --> 1:29:23.559
<v Speaker 1>been produced by all FAI, A number of them. Yeah,

1:29:23.720 --> 1:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>there are some that are independently produced and some that

1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>are influenced or monetarily or politically by him. Back to

1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Operation Hope, I'm not mispronouncing that the contact of that

1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Special Service first, and they were given access to the

1:29:40.200 --> 1:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>database as another documentation. And of course they didn't let

1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>just anybody look at that stuff. They had to have

1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:48.479
<v Speaker 1>to be people with the appropriate security clearances, which most

1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:50.760
<v Speaker 1>of the people who are investigating this were though, I

1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>mean it was, it was a high level investigation. Yeah,

1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:58.719
<v Speaker 1>in quest. Yeah, so, first of all, the assassination memo.

1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:01.519
<v Speaker 1>After tom us and left Special Service, he began to

1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>write his books. Obviously, specially the Special Service was not

1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>really keen on this. They instigated still civil proceedings against

1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>him in nineteen to stop him publishing his book. He

1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:16.599
<v Speaker 1>was ordered ordered to turn over his manuscript. Chapter eight

1:30:16.640 --> 1:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of the manuscript talks about the assassination memo, and in

1:30:20.120 --> 1:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>that version of the manuscript it only discussed using a

1:30:23.360 --> 1:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>drive by shooting to kill Molosavik. That was a little

1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>different that was in ninete October nine seven, after the Desks,

1:30:32.840 --> 1:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Thomason was arrested for official secrets acts offenses. His manuscript

1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>was seized again. Chapter eight again had a mention of

1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:42.519
<v Speaker 1>the memo in there, but no mention of a plan

1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>to use blinding lights and tunnels to kill people. And

1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:48.719
<v Speaker 1>then it made the following year in nineteen Thomlinson first

1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>met Mohammed al Fayod and then in August night Thomason

1:30:53.600 --> 1:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>changed his story. Yeah, yeah, they're actually yeah, the Rishan

1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:03.439
<v Speaker 1>Patch actually was able to find that memo. It was

1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>written in and it did discuss the possible assassination of

1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:10.479
<v Speaker 1>a certain Balkan extremist who was not Melissavik, but it

1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't actually talk about it was only a justification for

1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:16.559
<v Speaker 1>it as a as a way to pronounce to prevent

1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:19.599
<v Speaker 1>genocide and acting cleansing and stuff like that, the sort

1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:22.799
<v Speaker 1>of thing you want to prevent. Yeah, exactly. Although actually

1:31:22.840 --> 1:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the guy who wrote it gotten a little bit of

1:31:24.320 --> 1:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>trouble for it. But but that was yeah, that was

1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>about it. He um uh. He talked about the justification

1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>for doing it, but he didn't actually touch on any

1:31:34.840 --> 1:31:39.439
<v Speaker 1>methods at all for doing any assassination. So was there

1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>any support for a bright flash of light using a

1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>bright flash of light? And now Thomlinson claimed that he

1:31:47.400 --> 1:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>was showing lights the special strobes that were used by

1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>a Special Service to to to blind people in helicopters

1:31:54.640 --> 1:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and Special Services says no. And then and

1:31:57.720 --> 1:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>they also point out that by the way you can

1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:02.479
<v Speaker 1>get powerful stroke was just about anywhere. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah,

1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Thomlinson apparently was shown this memo and he really and

1:32:06.000 --> 1:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>he recognized and realized that was the one. And then

1:32:08.720 --> 1:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>he did a lot of this, actually did a lot

1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>of like sort of backpedaling showing the memo by operation

1:32:13.439 --> 1:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Paget says, says, yeah, this is the one. I must

1:32:16.160 --> 1:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>have misremembered that part about the blinding flashing lights that

1:32:19.200 --> 1:32:24.519
<v Speaker 1>killed people in tunnels, and so he took my recollection. Yeah,

1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and again the blinding white flash. The most people don't

1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:32.439
<v Speaker 1>recall seeing the blinding white flash. It was not that

1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>well supported that. One of the one of the witnesses

1:32:35.360 --> 1:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>you saw it was a guy named front suad to

1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the Vista, who was in a car with his wife

1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>in the underpass ahead of the Mercedes, and he claimed

1:32:43.280 --> 1:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>he was seen a white flash in his rear view mirror.

1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>His wife did not, Well, passengers don't look at the

1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>rear view mirror. Yeah, but I also think that, you know,

1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>when I'm driving at night, if there's lights, sometimes the

1:32:57.360 --> 1:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>light will catch the mirror in a weird way and

1:32:59.080 --> 1:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>reflect into my eyes and I get really angry. I'm like, a,

1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>who's the jerk with the brides on behind me? And

1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, no, it was just they were going

1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>over a bump, if the car was losing control and

1:33:11.040 --> 1:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>veering weirdly. There's certainly a number of wide arc both

1:33:18.080 --> 1:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>horizontally and vertically that the headlights. It would have been

1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>really easy for it to just go real quick and

1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>it would have flashed into his face, easily explained as headlights. Right.

1:33:28.120 --> 1:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And also there were paparazzi in there, Yeah, paparazzi with

1:33:30.920 --> 1:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>flashbulbs going off. Yeah. So that's about it for the

1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>white flash. I think a few other people reported it too,

1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>but it's still not that conclusive of the thing to

1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:44.479
<v Speaker 1>begin with. As far as the two suspicious m I

1:33:44.560 --> 1:33:47.679
<v Speaker 1>six guys at the British Embassy in Paris, I remember

1:33:47.680 --> 1:33:50.559
<v Speaker 1>we talked about those minutes ago. Richard Spearman actually did

1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:53.719
<v Speaker 1>arrive in Paris to begin a four year posting on August,

1:33:55.640 --> 1:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>so just four days before Diane Do showed up in Paris,

1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:03.800
<v Speaker 1>but he had been appointed that position in August nine six,

1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:07.040
<v Speaker 1>which was almost a year before Diane Doe started dating,

1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and also in August when he arrived, nobody knew to

1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Die and Doughtie were going to be showing up in Paris. Anyway,

1:34:13.800 --> 1:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody really knew. I don't know that

1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:18.240
<v Speaker 1>they necessarily planned it, No, I don't think. I don't

1:34:18.280 --> 1:34:21.240
<v Speaker 1>think there was. There was talk that there were calls

1:34:21.360 --> 1:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to the paparazzi when they were on their yacht, but

1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean that there were calls to the rest

1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:29.519
<v Speaker 1>of the world to tell everybody, Hey, this is where

1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>we're going, instead of hey, we're here, this is where

1:34:32.040 --> 1:34:35.479
<v Speaker 1>we're at. Yeah, especially if you have private security. Yeah,

1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:38.560
<v Speaker 1>so obviously you're gonna probably want to keep most of

1:34:38.600 --> 1:34:42.559
<v Speaker 1>your move a secret, just for Wes Hassle factor. Let's

1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:45.240
<v Speaker 1>remember the other shadowy diplomat who who came and went

1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>quickly before and after. His name was Nicholas Langman. He

1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was recalled to London right after the accident he was

1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.880
<v Speaker 1>only halfway through his four year posting. But actually he

1:34:54.960 --> 1:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>began his posting in Yeah, and he didn't go back

1:34:58.439 --> 1:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>to England until August nine after serving well four years, yeah, Augus,

1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:05.760
<v Speaker 1>so he didn't leave the week after he left a

1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>year after a huge difference. Yeah, So let's move on

1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to nre Paull. Was that my six informants and uh well,

1:35:16.320 --> 1:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>no searches of the Special Service databases and telegram communications

1:35:19.880 --> 1:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>found no mention of him. And they had ways when

1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they were going through this stuff, they had fint they

1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>had ways to figure out if they're information was being

1:35:26.120 --> 1:35:29.479
<v Speaker 1>withheld from them. This is again Operation Page. For example,

1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:33.479
<v Speaker 1>the telegrams. The telegrams were all numbered sequentially and the

1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>sequence was unbroken, and so that's how they knew that

1:35:36.640 --> 1:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing was being withheld. And they found no mention of

1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:43.120
<v Speaker 1>nrepall except for one telegram dated November eighteenth and ninety seven,

1:35:43.200 --> 1:35:45.880
<v Speaker 1>which was after his death. Yeah, and that was it,

1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and you would maybe mention that, yeah, yeah you think, yeah,

1:35:50.280 --> 1:35:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I could see his name coming up after the fact. Yeah.

1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Any sense as as to the files that Thomason found

1:35:57.400 --> 1:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>that the head of security the risk was an informant

1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned previously, the operation that Thomason described actually

1:36:03.479 --> 1:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>did exist and he was actually part of that. But

1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:10.240
<v Speaker 1>PEGE Operation Page went through the files and found no

1:36:10.400 --> 1:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>reference to anybody working at the REDS. Again, I think

1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:18.840
<v Speaker 1>we've kind of we we already discredited that. Yeah, pretty much.

1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>So how about James Anderson, photographer the paparazzi though honestly,

1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:25.760
<v Speaker 1>should say out of fairness and honestly was not a

1:36:25.840 --> 1:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>full time paparazzi, he actually did. He did so, yeah, paparazzo,

1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:34.240
<v Speaker 1>You're right, I'm sorry, I forgive me. But he did

1:36:34.360 --> 1:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>like to go down, like you know, in August, he

1:36:36.840 --> 1:36:38.479
<v Speaker 1>would go down to the south of France and to

1:36:38.560 --> 1:36:40.519
<v Speaker 1>hang out there because there was money to be made

1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>taking pictures of celebrities. Also not a bad place to

1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>hang out. No, not at all. Did James Anderson worked

1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:49.599
<v Speaker 1>for the Special Service? Did he? I don't know. Did

1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>he use his white fiata Uno to cause the crash?

1:36:52.120 --> 1:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Did he have a white Fiato? No, as a matter

1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of fact, he did. Ok. Yeah, it turns out was

1:36:57.200 --> 1:37:00.160
<v Speaker 1>he murdered by the Special Service? I mean it's suspict us.

1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:04.519
<v Speaker 1>He died in suspicious circumstances. Also, honest and work for

1:37:04.560 --> 1:37:09.320
<v Speaker 1>a photography HC called CYPA, a Cyper press agency based

1:37:09.360 --> 1:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>in Paris, which was rated by masked gunmen several weeks

1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>after his death, and it took away all of his

1:37:15.000 --> 1:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>electronic equipment, laptops and stuff like that, and the French police,

1:37:19.240 --> 1:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>to top it off, didn't investigate the rate at all. Yeah,

1:37:22.920 --> 1:37:26.240
<v Speaker 1>what's up with that? I mean that is a little weird. Yeah, yeah,

1:37:26.280 --> 1:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it's all very suspicious. This is all good again stuff

1:37:29.200 --> 1:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>put out there by Muhammad fire. We're still I was

1:37:32.680 --> 1:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna say, wait, we need to warn people.

1:37:35.320 --> 1:37:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Joe is just flipped in back into purported theory section

1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>one of one possible theories. This is one thousand and

1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>one Arabian Nights. We just jumped into. Yeah, this is

1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>this is what what's being said. But we'll talk. We'll

1:37:51.800 --> 1:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about the truth or not of it. Operation feget

1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>looked into Anderson Onesson excuse me, And at first of

1:37:57.640 --> 1:38:00.800
<v Speaker 1>all they want to the database it's special service, and

1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:04.360
<v Speaker 1>found nothing, uh, nothing in the files. He lived on

1:38:04.439 --> 1:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a farm with his kids and his wife in Lina's

1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:12.479
<v Speaker 1>It looks like it's spelled like lignieris, but it's actually

1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>pronounced Lina. Yeah, it's friends, it's out in seventy seven

1:38:18.160 --> 1:38:21.479
<v Speaker 1>miles south of Paris as the crow flies. He returned

1:38:21.520 --> 1:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>from the south of France to the family farm and

1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>farm in August, according to his diary and also courting

1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>what his wife said, and then on the thirtieth he

1:38:29.479 --> 1:38:31.320
<v Speaker 1>was at home then went to bed early because he

1:38:31.320 --> 1:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>had to get up early to catch a flight to

1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Corsica for a photography. His wife documented this. She corroborated it.

1:38:39.000 --> 1:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>He had to drive up to Orly airport. His road.

1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>His drive up was on toll roads, so it was

1:38:45.200 --> 1:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>documented because he paid by credit card. He ended the

1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>toll road at Burgs near his home, and then exited

1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:54.639
<v Speaker 1>the road at am, about thirty miles from early airport,

1:38:55.000 --> 1:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and then bought a plane ticket to Corsica. Am So

1:38:59.200 --> 1:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>conceivably he could have used his his and he was

1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>driving his a BMW. He wasn't driving the Yeah, the

1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:08.680
<v Speaker 1>un that was in bad shape. Ack, I was going

1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to say the yeah, I heard it was undable. It

1:39:13.439 --> 1:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>was a garbage car. Yeah, So it could have conceivably

1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:19.639
<v Speaker 1>driven out to Paris Costa, the wreck, driven back down

1:39:19.840 --> 1:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>all the way to home, picked up is his beamer

1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>and then driven back north again. It would make for

1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:26.800
<v Speaker 1>a long night. Also, his wife would have been a

1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:33.160
<v Speaker 1>really really heavy sleeper lying yeah to not notice that. Yeah. Yeah,

1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of emphasis placed on onon sentence

1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>in these theories. Yeah, he's easy and easy scapegoat though,

1:39:41.200 --> 1:39:44.160
<v Speaker 1>especially since he's dead now and he died under what

1:39:44.360 --> 1:39:50.200
<v Speaker 1>people call suspicious circumstances. I don't think are you don't know, No,

1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think doing the research, don't think they're exactly suspicious.

1:39:56.439 --> 1:39:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you look at on the wiki page,

1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:02.439
<v Speaker 1>it looks pretty hanky. But I found out the wicked

1:40:02.439 --> 1:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>pages all wrong. Yeah, big time wrong. Yes, this is

1:40:06.800 --> 1:40:12.439
<v Speaker 1>why I love Wikipedia, but it's not the end all beyond. Yeah. Alright,

1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>So so there's one stick, a stick through the heart

1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:18.640
<v Speaker 1>there of or someone nail in the coffin. That's a

1:40:18.680 --> 1:40:21.439
<v Speaker 1>better way to put it. One nail in the coffin.

1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Is is that you can knock him pretty much pretty

1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:26.559
<v Speaker 1>much document that he was not in Paris that night.

1:40:26.920 --> 1:40:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I think through the tole World receipt receipts and all

1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that stuff, and his wife's testimony, also all the all

1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the paparazzi at the Ritz don't remember, did not remember

1:40:36.439 --> 1:40:39.240
<v Speaker 1>seeing him there. Again, it's a clote knit, close knit

1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:41.920
<v Speaker 1>grow Yeah, you would think they would know. Yeah. Yeah.

1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:44.439
<v Speaker 1>One of the photographers, a guy named Fan Van Sue

1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:49.519
<v Speaker 1>of Paparazzi. It's told Paget quote. If and it should

1:40:49.520 --> 1:40:51.439
<v Speaker 1>have been working in Paris that night, I would have known.

1:40:51.560 --> 1:40:53.520
<v Speaker 1>He is not the kind of person to go unnoticed,

1:40:54.120 --> 1:40:56.320
<v Speaker 1>apparently and or honest and excuse me. It was a

1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>well known photographer. Also, they went to the closed circuit

1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>TV footage of the crowd in front of the hotel

1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't show up. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't there.

1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>So but the white you know, the white yeah, the

1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>white you know, let's talk about it's like kind of

1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>like the white rhino, yeah, or the white buffalo. Yeah,

1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:15.400
<v Speaker 1>the white you know. There was a guy who was

1:41:16.280 --> 1:41:19.760
<v Speaker 1>in the underpass or the tunnel if you like it,

1:41:19.880 --> 1:41:21.400
<v Speaker 1>not the guy I talked about before we saw there

1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:24.720
<v Speaker 1>was the blinding white flash and George does on he

1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>was in a car in the under pass and he

1:41:26.760 --> 1:41:30.280
<v Speaker 1>was he apparently I don't know if he was passed.

1:41:30.600 --> 1:41:32.479
<v Speaker 1>I guess he was overtaken by the you know, he

1:41:32.600 --> 1:41:35.479
<v Speaker 1>was going in the same direction going in the same direction. Yeah,

1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the un was swerving and driving slowly and kind of

1:41:38.720 --> 1:41:41.559
<v Speaker 1>driving erratically. What's would make sense if you've just been

1:41:41.600 --> 1:41:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in this near deadly crash and you've just also, um,

1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:48.439
<v Speaker 1>what's the word hit and run, you've like left the

1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:51.120
<v Speaker 1>scene him in a serious accident. Yeah, you're you're you're

1:41:51.320 --> 1:41:55.240
<v Speaker 1>on the run. Yeah, So passing the car, saw the driver.

1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:57.720
<v Speaker 1>The driver was white and male, short brown hair. Uh.

1:41:57.840 --> 1:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>And there was a large dog in the rear seat

1:41:59.800 --> 1:42:03.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe and all station or a black lamb. Yeah, but okay,

1:42:03.600 --> 1:42:06.479
<v Speaker 1>I guess, like in fairness just to like butt in there.

1:42:07.040 --> 1:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>The Fiat couldn't have been already involved in the crash,

1:42:11.120 --> 1:42:14.360
<v Speaker 1>right if these people were reporting this, because then they

1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:17.479
<v Speaker 1>would have stopped to help with the crash after the crash,

1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>after the crash, after the crash, after different these people reported.

1:42:22.280 --> 1:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>These people reported seeing this car after the crash, after

1:42:25.360 --> 1:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>coming out of the coming out of the They were

1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:29.720
<v Speaker 1>coming up and out of the tunnel on this and

1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:33.879
<v Speaker 1>they saw this car. And yeah, I know the timeline

1:42:33.960 --> 1:42:35.479
<v Speaker 1>is a little wonky for me, but okay, it is

1:42:35.479 --> 1:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a little walky. Well that's probably again we've talked about

1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:41.559
<v Speaker 1>the time the timeline is hard to hang on. Yeah, okay,

1:42:41.800 --> 1:42:45.240
<v Speaker 1>so large dog in the back, Yeah, large dog in

1:42:45.280 --> 1:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the back. His wife, Sabine, tells a little differently. She says,

1:42:48.080 --> 1:42:50.320
<v Speaker 1>they were overtaken by the way you know what swerve

1:42:50.520 --> 1:42:53.599
<v Speaker 1>was swerving and nearly hit them, and then it slowed

1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>down and then they passed the car. Was actually kind

1:42:57.000 --> 1:42:58.439
<v Speaker 1>of makes a little bit of sense. They got they

1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:00.479
<v Speaker 1>got past the rack and they were jetting out of there,

1:43:00.560 --> 1:43:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and then, you know, and at the meantime, drivers looking

1:43:04.400 --> 1:43:07.040
<v Speaker 1>in his rear view mirror seeing what's going on behind him,

1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:10.040
<v Speaker 1>you know which, and then it realizes, oh, I'm going

1:43:10.080 --> 1:43:12.240
<v Speaker 1>too fast and hits the brakes and slows way down.

1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:16.360
<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to draw exactly exactly, so he

1:43:16.439 --> 1:43:20.080
<v Speaker 1>panics and then gets it under control. They so they

1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:22.519
<v Speaker 1>passed him again and again. She noticed that to her

1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:24.720
<v Speaker 1>description of the driver was a little different. But she

1:43:24.800 --> 1:43:26.439
<v Speaker 1>also noticed it was a big dog in the back

1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>with a long nose, and she's thinking maybe a German shepherd.

1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:33.240
<v Speaker 1>But the the Anderson's James, and excuse me, the ands

1:43:33.520 --> 1:43:36.439
<v Speaker 1>James Anderson did have a dog, a golden lab which

1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:38.439
<v Speaker 1>is probably say the same as what we call it

1:43:38.560 --> 1:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>a yellow lab I think so, yeah, yeah, but she

1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:45.160
<v Speaker 1>never took on assignments where the goldie has longer hair

1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>than a yellow but basically the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.

1:43:49.240 --> 1:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>So you know, if there was an in the tunnel,

1:43:53.920 --> 1:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and apparently there was, it does not appear to have

1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:59.559
<v Speaker 1>been James Andenson's, you know. Yeah. Well, anyway, as as

1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>befit any vehicle that's used in the Hit of the century,

1:44:02.160 --> 1:44:06.799
<v Speaker 1>that yeah, that on this Dandison family owned was traded

1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>in on another car, rather than being sent to the

1:44:08.880 --> 1:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>bottom of a river, right, because obviously it was involved. Yeah, obviously. Yeah,

1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>their son James Anderson Junior needed a car in the

1:44:15.720 --> 1:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>local Fiat deal. There was offering five thousand francs for

1:44:19.320 --> 1:44:22.360
<v Speaker 1>any Fi trade in any any even even a total

1:44:22.439 --> 1:44:25.519
<v Speaker 1>piece of junk. They would not, yeah, exactly, And so

1:44:26.080 --> 1:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>they thought, hey, we've got this piece of crap in

1:44:27.960 --> 1:44:32.439
<v Speaker 1>our barn and our farm yard not worth five thousand francs. Yeah.

1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:34.360
<v Speaker 1>It barely ran it and they mostly used it to

1:44:34.400 --> 1:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>hall trash from the house up to the gate of

1:44:36.720 --> 1:44:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the farm which was about a quarter mile away, and

1:44:38.360 --> 1:44:40.400
<v Speaker 1>that was because it was all thrashed on the inside.

1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Was a terrible car to learn to drive in James,

1:44:44.240 --> 1:44:47.439
<v Speaker 1>go go go take the trash down the road. But

1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:49.759
<v Speaker 1>then I don't know how to drive. Well you can't

1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:55.120
<v Speaker 1>just take that car? Yeah yeah. And then dad years

1:44:55.200 --> 1:44:57.639
<v Speaker 1>later it's like, God, you're such a terrible driver. Well

1:44:57.760 --> 1:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you look what you taught me in trash car. So

1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:04.439
<v Speaker 1>back to Honeston in his farm in his car. The

1:45:04.960 --> 1:45:08.920
<v Speaker 1>French police somebody dropped a dime on Drain and James Anderson.

1:45:09.240 --> 1:45:14.240
<v Speaker 1>In February, they got an anonymous tip that James Anderson

1:45:14.320 --> 1:45:21.560
<v Speaker 1>was secretly a Jetty and Joe out. The police in

1:45:21.800 --> 1:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>February received an anonymous tip that Anderson was the owner

1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of the owner of a white Fiat you know, which

1:45:29.800 --> 1:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>is suspicious apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Confronted by police, Anderson was

1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:35.439
<v Speaker 1>evasive and sneaky and told them that he traded the

1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:39.040
<v Speaker 1>car in and where he traded it in. Yeah, super sneaky. Yeah,

1:45:39.439 --> 1:45:42.519
<v Speaker 1>look like no time at all. Yeah, it's telling that

1:45:42.600 --> 1:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it took him like a fifteen seconds to run the

1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:48.759
<v Speaker 1>truth out of him. Yeah. They attracted to the garaguate

1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>to be traded in and notably they hadn't sold it

1:45:50.960 --> 1:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>yet because they were about to. Yeah, and they were

1:45:55.200 --> 1:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>able to examine it it was in very poor condition,

1:45:57.800 --> 1:46:00.040
<v Speaker 1>which was confirmed by the Anderson family and also of

1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.519
<v Speaker 1>their neighbors, who confirmed that the car was a piece

1:46:02.560 --> 1:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of crab. They checked out closely the left rear of

1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the car and it was mostly pretty much undamaged. So

1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:13.160
<v Speaker 1>if they had been side swapped by the Mercedes, that

1:46:13.200 --> 1:46:15.439
<v Speaker 1>would have been a really really light side swipe, enough

1:46:15.479 --> 1:46:17.720
<v Speaker 1>to leave some some paint traces, but not enough to

1:46:17.760 --> 1:46:23.240
<v Speaker 1>actually crunch anything. And that's a lucky grazing because if anybody,

1:46:23.280 --> 1:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>anybody who's been in a vehicle collision, yeah, that is

1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:31.719
<v Speaker 1>like going at one mile an hour through a parking

1:46:31.920 --> 1:46:36.280
<v Speaker 1>lot speed to just barely scrape paint. That's oops. I

1:46:36.439 --> 1:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>accidentally didn't turn the wheel hard enough when I was parking. Yeah,

1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:44.479
<v Speaker 1>not a I'm doing seventy and I just went next

1:46:44.520 --> 1:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>to you. I never knew it. The thing about it

1:46:47.080 --> 1:46:49.559
<v Speaker 1>is is, you know I forgot the left tail light

1:46:49.720 --> 1:46:53.240
<v Speaker 1>was broken in the tunnel, which I don't. I don't

1:46:53.280 --> 1:46:55.320
<v Speaker 1>see how you can whisk by somebody and just barely

1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>touch him, leave a little paint and still break the

1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:07.599
<v Speaker 1>tail light. Diana obvious had a hammer interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:47:07.680 --> 1:47:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I had had a well known hatred of fuel. Yeah. Yeah,

1:47:13.600 --> 1:47:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the tail I had been replaced, although it was not

1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:20.759
<v Speaker 1>a new replacement. It hadn't been done recently at all. Also,

1:47:21.000 --> 1:47:23.479
<v Speaker 1>it appeared that that bat fender from from the look

1:47:23.520 --> 1:47:25.879
<v Speaker 1>of it, had had it had not been replaced. Apparently

1:47:25.960 --> 1:47:29.639
<v Speaker 1>there are tell tale marks if you replace an entire

1:47:29.760 --> 1:47:31.720
<v Speaker 1>fender of a car that marks were left in place.

1:47:31.800 --> 1:47:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, but yeah, well, most most body

1:47:34.840 --> 1:47:40.040
<v Speaker 1>panels on older cars were pre painted before they were installed,

1:47:41.000 --> 1:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>so it's not old paint. So when you, you know,

1:47:45.160 --> 1:47:47.240
<v Speaker 1>use the screws and the bolts to lock it in,

1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna leave an impression in that new paint. I've

1:47:52.000 --> 1:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>actually done this. I pulled the body panel off of

1:47:54.000 --> 1:47:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a car and the paint you could actually see where

1:47:57.960 --> 1:48:02.840
<v Speaker 1>it had been impressed, the washers and stuff. So that

1:48:02.920 --> 1:48:06.120
<v Speaker 1>makes total sense to me. Yeah. Yeah, and so that

1:48:06.720 --> 1:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>it had been repainted but at some point, but scratches

1:48:10.680 --> 1:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and where indicated it. It was repainted a long time

1:48:12.960 --> 1:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>before August seven, probably rattal can Paigne job. Yeah. And

1:48:18.040 --> 1:48:21.599
<v Speaker 1>according to the the original French police report, the paint

1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>sample they took from the UNO did not actually correspond

1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:27.760
<v Speaker 1>to the white paint found on the Mercedes, although it's

1:48:27.800 --> 1:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>from from Andensen's from ye. Just to clarify, so it

1:48:33.280 --> 1:48:36.439
<v Speaker 1>wasn't wasn't exactly a strictly from from there from there

1:48:36.439 --> 1:48:41.200
<v Speaker 1>annalysis indicated it wasn't strictly a factory Okay, it wasn't. Yeah,

1:48:41.600 --> 1:48:45.040
<v Speaker 1>although another outfit called l GC Forensics review the evidence

1:48:45.080 --> 1:48:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and they came to the conclusion that they can't tell

1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:51.320
<v Speaker 1>one way or another. So they came to the conclusion

1:48:51.400 --> 1:48:56.559
<v Speaker 1>that it was inconclusive exactly exactly dramatic and also ones

1:48:56.640 --> 1:49:01.599
<v Speaker 1>and appeared apparently in TV documentary and behind the wheel

1:49:01.640 --> 1:49:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of his white you know, and I don't know what

1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the point of the I guess you wanted to talk about.

1:49:06.320 --> 1:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>You talked about how we've gotten so many miles out

1:49:08.360 --> 1:49:13.120
<v Speaker 1>of yeah, like a propagand but craput like one does

1:49:13.160 --> 1:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>with a Subaru these days. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a

1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:23.880
<v Speaker 1>super commercial with three hundred billion miles. Yeah. So the

1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:27.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, my conclusion is that makes nothing but nothing

1:49:27.840 --> 1:49:30.160
<v Speaker 1>but good sense to use your own car, registered in

1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:32.160
<v Speaker 1>your own name, and what you have created in a

1:49:32.240 --> 1:49:35.240
<v Speaker 1>documentary as part of an assassination plot that might be

1:49:35.360 --> 1:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>sarcasm for the listeners that have been missing our sarcasm.

1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:45.439
<v Speaker 1>Please understand that was sarcasm. Yeah. I think the reason

1:49:45.600 --> 1:49:50.439
<v Speaker 1>that Joe is bringing this particular instance up though, is

1:49:50.560 --> 1:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>because the world went crazy about him later. Oh yeah,

1:49:55.560 --> 1:49:58.599
<v Speaker 1>because he died. Yeah, he did die later on. We'll

1:49:58.600 --> 1:50:00.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about that in a minute. But you know, there

1:50:00.880 --> 1:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>were like more than eight million of those things, million

1:50:04.200 --> 1:50:10.519
<v Speaker 1>of these things made. Yeah, it's yeah Europe, and in

1:50:10.640 --> 1:50:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that time, white cars were pretty popular. Yeah. Also, you know,

1:50:15.280 --> 1:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>it was a really tiny car. If you're going to

1:50:17.160 --> 1:50:20.599
<v Speaker 1>going out and and like running a big Mercedes City

1:50:20.640 --> 1:50:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and off the road, it's probably wouldn't be your first choice. Huh.

1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Lightweight vehicle hitting a super heavy vehicle makes no sense muchoever. Yeah,

1:50:31.240 --> 1:50:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and let's not forget the presence of the black dog

1:50:33.520 --> 1:50:35.080
<v Speaker 1>that was in the real and it was seen at

1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the scene, you know, but yeah, yeah, obvious it was

1:50:40.240 --> 1:50:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the dog. It was too And let's not forget the

1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:46.960
<v Speaker 1>stupid general unlikely unlikelihood that that onson could possibly have

1:50:47.080 --> 1:50:48.880
<v Speaker 1>known that they were going to be coming down through

1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that underpass, that tunnel at that particular time. I think

1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>it's bunk. Yeah, it's all bunk. But there's more more

1:50:56.040 --> 1:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>coursers and more suspicious stuff. You died in May two

1:50:59.120 --> 1:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>thousand in a car fire. The police ruled that it

1:51:01.439 --> 1:51:03.920
<v Speaker 1>was a suicide based on evidence and on statements that

1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:06.360
<v Speaker 1>he had made to various people about how he'd killed

1:51:06.400 --> 1:51:10.320
<v Speaker 1>himself under certain certain circumstances. Land ghastly had been poured

1:51:10.360 --> 1:51:12.439
<v Speaker 1>into the interior of the car and lit. The fire

1:51:12.560 --> 1:51:14.840
<v Speaker 1>was so intense that his head separated from the rest

1:51:14.880 --> 1:51:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of his body. Yeah, I know. There was a hole

1:51:17.880 --> 1:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>in a hole in his skull that appeared to be

1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:23.439
<v Speaker 1>from a bullet. Uh. And most mysteriously of all, the

1:51:23.560 --> 1:51:27.520
<v Speaker 1>car was locked, but the keys were nowhere to be found. Dune.

1:51:28.800 --> 1:51:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, is that the Wikipedia bunk that that, yes,

1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that's one of them had actually cited this mysterious death

1:51:34.840 --> 1:51:36.840
<v Speaker 1>as a reason I believe there was a conspiracy to

1:51:36.920 --> 1:51:39.920
<v Speaker 1>kill a diean Dody that he was either murdered to

1:51:39.960 --> 1:51:42.640
<v Speaker 1>shut him up, or he killed himself because he was

1:51:42.720 --> 1:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>just guilty. As far as the keys not being anywhere

1:51:45.960 --> 1:51:48.519
<v Speaker 1>at evidence, well, I couldn't find any evidence that's true.

1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:51.919
<v Speaker 1>It is not in the inquest report, and even Muhammad

1:51:51.920 --> 1:51:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Alphaia didn't say that. So that tells you something, right there.

1:51:55.840 --> 1:51:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Somebody tack this one on your mystery. Even didn't say

1:51:59.600 --> 1:52:05.600
<v Speaker 1>also keys are metal and drove the car there. Well, no,

1:52:05.960 --> 1:52:08.600
<v Speaker 1>if I had brought this up, because he drove the

1:52:08.760 --> 1:52:12.400
<v Speaker 1>car to the location and then the keys weren't there,

1:52:12.560 --> 1:52:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So he's using that as evidence to say, obviously he

1:52:17.000 --> 1:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't drive himself there and somebody who staged this forgot

1:52:22.600 --> 1:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to leave the keys in the car. I was just

1:52:25.040 --> 1:52:27.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna say keys are metal, and like metal melt and

1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:30.800
<v Speaker 1>fire or whatever or I'm sorry, you know, I know

1:52:30.920 --> 1:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go into this. But if somebody standing outside

1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the car and they're having a bad day and they're

1:52:36.040 --> 1:52:40.840
<v Speaker 1>thinking about ending everything, and we've all seen people do this,

1:52:41.040 --> 1:52:45.280
<v Speaker 1>they get mad and they throw something which happens to

1:52:45.400 --> 1:52:50.479
<v Speaker 1>be the damn car keys and they land in all bush, Yeah,

1:52:50.800 --> 1:52:53.599
<v Speaker 1>then no wonder they're not located. Yeah, let's talk about

1:52:53.600 --> 1:52:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the Actually, it also could be that he was just

1:52:56.479 --> 1:52:58.720
<v Speaker 1>there and he lost his car keys. He got back

1:52:58.720 --> 1:53:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to the car, which is unlocked personally, but he couldn't

1:53:01.320 --> 1:53:03.040
<v Speaker 1>start the car, so he decided to kill him. So

1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I actually do not believe that's the case, based on

1:53:07.479 --> 1:53:12.200
<v Speaker 1>everything we've got. Yeah, yeah, the whole well that was

1:53:12.360 --> 1:53:14.600
<v Speaker 1>there was a de sercized hole in his skull, but

1:53:15.040 --> 1:53:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't bullet shaped or around or anything like that.

1:53:18.000 --> 1:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>And actually the medical examiner didn't find any slug, no

1:53:23.600 --> 1:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>bullet in his in his skull or anywhere in his body,

1:53:26.600 --> 1:53:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and none was found in the car itself either. And

1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:32.920
<v Speaker 1>also there was natural processes by which this could happen.

1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Due to the intense heat, you get pressure build up

1:53:36.560 --> 1:53:38.840
<v Speaker 1>inside the skull and they can Actually I'm guessing the

1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:46.040
<v Speaker 1>hole was in the temple, yeah region. Yeah. Uh. In

1:53:46.080 --> 1:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the suicide by emilation I think is a bit unusual. Yeah,

1:53:50.200 --> 1:53:52.880
<v Speaker 1>especially in a car. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know,

1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:54.920
<v Speaker 1>if I were going to kill myself, I would probably

1:53:55.000 --> 1:53:56.519
<v Speaker 1>duct tape a grenade in my head and pull the

1:53:56.600 --> 1:54:01.519
<v Speaker 1>pin and then go through dope. Nope, no, we're not

1:54:01.600 --> 1:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna go there. Okay, but still it's not unheard of.

1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, people do kill themselves in all kinds of

1:54:08.520 --> 1:54:12.559
<v Speaker 1>interesting ways. They do. Yeah, they in the medical examiner

1:54:12.600 --> 1:54:14.639
<v Speaker 1>found those signs of violence. There were no tire tracks

1:54:14.680 --> 1:54:17.439
<v Speaker 1>in the area besides on the since BMW's tire tracks.

1:54:17.840 --> 1:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>His credit card was used that afternoon in the gas

1:54:20.080 --> 1:54:23.120
<v Speaker 1>station nearby to buy six hundred and eight franc's worth

1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:27.080
<v Speaker 1>of fuel, which police concluded that was more than was

1:54:27.200 --> 1:54:29.680
<v Speaker 1>necessary to fill the tank of the car. So it

1:54:29.720 --> 1:54:32.080
<v Speaker 1>looks like he feeled filled up maybe a fuel tank

1:54:32.440 --> 1:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>or a couple of fuel can or a couple of

1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>gas cans. A witnesses who had seen him in the

1:54:38.040 --> 1:54:39.920
<v Speaker 1>area said they saw him in the car. They didn't

1:54:39.920 --> 1:54:42.200
<v Speaker 1>see anybody but him in the car. When he left

1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:44.720
<v Speaker 1>him that day, he left behind things that normally he

1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.760
<v Speaker 1>would have taken, like his cell phone, as watch, his wallet,

1:54:48.120 --> 1:54:51.640
<v Speaker 1>is that tchet case? And that same day he posted

1:54:51.680 --> 1:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a letter to his employer, Cyper Press, asking that all

1:54:56.880 --> 1:54:59.720
<v Speaker 1>of the photographic royalties be put in his wife's name. So,

1:55:00.080 --> 1:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>like a suicide sounds kind of suicidal to me, And

1:55:02.960 --> 1:55:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go in a great detail, but

1:55:04.480 --> 1:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>fellow photographers and friends and told stories about how he

1:55:08.600 --> 1:55:11.400
<v Speaker 1>had said, good, you know, if something happened to my family,

1:55:11.440 --> 1:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I would kill myself by pouring gas all over myself.

1:55:14.080 --> 1:55:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Another one said, you know, I blow myself up in

1:55:16.360 --> 1:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>my car. So there were a lot of people testified

1:55:19.360 --> 1:55:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that he talked suicide. He talked a lot. This was

1:55:22.800 --> 1:55:26.200
<v Speaker 1>his choice. Yeah, And this is another thing that Wikipedia

1:55:26.360 --> 1:55:28.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of gets wrong. He says that his wife and

1:55:28.360 --> 1:55:31.480
<v Speaker 1>kids don't believe his death was suicide to this day.

1:55:31.600 --> 1:55:33.640
<v Speaker 1>And then no, that's not true. I mean I read

1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I read in the inquest they at least his wife

1:55:37.920 --> 1:55:40.320
<v Speaker 1>excepts that he killed himself. She seems to believe it.

1:55:40.720 --> 1:55:43.200
<v Speaker 1>And lastly, the last mysterious thing that happened is he

1:55:43.400 --> 1:55:47.200
<v Speaker 1>just you know, the special services was involved, of course,

1:55:47.240 --> 1:55:49.920
<v Speaker 1>as I said, he was affiliated with Cyperpress agency. In Paris.

1:55:50.800 --> 1:55:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Six weeks after the death, there was an armed robbery.

1:55:53.120 --> 1:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>There were three men in masks who went to the

1:55:55.080 --> 1:55:59.320
<v Speaker 1>offices and stole all the electronic equipment that Onensen kept there. Again,

1:55:59.360 --> 1:56:03.360
<v Speaker 1>as I said, the French police declined to investigate. Yeah, suspicious,

1:56:03.440 --> 1:56:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a bit suspicious that that accusation is a little suspicious. Absolutely, yeah,

1:56:11.120 --> 1:56:14.800
<v Speaker 1>no it's not. It's it's totally true. If I didn't investigate,

1:56:14.840 --> 1:56:19.760
<v Speaker 1>you mean as did investigate and arrested three people. So yeah,

1:56:19.800 --> 1:56:24.800
<v Speaker 1>they investigated. These guys committed serial robberies like this. Also

1:56:24.880 --> 1:56:28.160
<v Speaker 1>honestly didn't keep anything in sight except for some archive photographs.

1:56:28.240 --> 1:56:31.480
<v Speaker 1>He didn't leave his laptop or anything else there and

1:56:31.560 --> 1:56:33.880
<v Speaker 1>so none of that was stolen, all right, Yeah, they

1:56:33.920 --> 1:56:36.240
<v Speaker 1>stole a bunch of other other laptops, but not nothing

1:56:36.280 --> 1:56:37.840
<v Speaker 1>that belonged to on his and and the owner of

1:56:37.920 --> 1:56:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the company told CBS News some years later that he

1:56:42.480 --> 1:56:44.400
<v Speaker 1>thought the real purpose of the robbery is to find

1:56:44.440 --> 1:56:48.320
<v Speaker 1>compromising photos of a French celebrity who didn't de decline

1:56:48.320 --> 1:56:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the name. I assume it's Johnny Depp. Yeah. Yeah, he

1:56:54.960 --> 1:56:56.920
<v Speaker 1>thinks that that was the main focus and that the

1:56:57.000 --> 1:57:00.840
<v Speaker 1>rest was just a crime of opportunity. Okay, you go. Well,

1:57:00.880 --> 1:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>so anyway, that's pretty much it for the Royal family.

1:57:03.600 --> 1:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>To sum it up, the whole Royal family had a

1:57:07.080 --> 1:57:10.320
<v Speaker 1>murdered theory and all many many aspects. But silly, isn't

1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:15.560
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't quite hold up. Yeah, I don't know. Well,

1:57:15.600 --> 1:57:19.680
<v Speaker 1>that's enough of the I think the Royal family. I think,

1:57:19.680 --> 1:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, we've exonerated the Royal family, or at least

1:57:22.080 --> 1:57:24.720
<v Speaker 1>in special service and m I six and all that stuff.

1:57:25.800 --> 1:57:28.360
<v Speaker 1>The next theory that we're going to go into, which

1:57:28.480 --> 1:57:34.760
<v Speaker 1>is probably the most popular theory, is that Enri Paul

1:57:35.080 --> 1:57:38.120
<v Speaker 1>was drunk. But when I wrote this out, I put

1:57:38.200 --> 1:57:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a question mark at the end of that statement because

1:57:42.280 --> 1:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a hundred percent sure. Yeah, we're both kind

1:57:46.120 --> 1:57:49.040
<v Speaker 1>of we kind of tag team this one. We really did,

1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and we'll continue to tag team it. But I think

1:57:52.080 --> 1:57:55.320
<v Speaker 1>we're both on the same page of question mark yes,

1:57:55.840 --> 1:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>because according to all the official documents, he was super

1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:09.040
<v Speaker 1>drunk and prescription drust, right, yeah, and that's why he

1:58:09.240 --> 1:58:13.560
<v Speaker 1>crashed the car. So it's he's completely at fall. Well,

1:58:13.640 --> 1:58:16.720
<v Speaker 1>when you like, when you google the death of Princess Diana,

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing comes up is manslaughter by negligent driving

1:58:20.840 --> 1:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>on repall that the official verdict is that he murdered them,

1:58:26.520 --> 1:58:30.520
<v Speaker 1>And well, we're going to go into all this. You know,

1:58:30.600 --> 1:58:32.800
<v Speaker 1>he was sort of he was off duty, as we

1:58:32.840 --> 1:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>said earlier. You know, it's like I don't really blame

1:58:34.840 --> 1:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the guy even if you had been drinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because well but I also I questioned a lot of

1:58:39.720 --> 1:58:42.080
<v Speaker 1>it because of the timeline. But let's let's go into

1:58:42.200 --> 1:58:46.120
<v Speaker 1>some of the official official doctrine here. According to the

1:58:46.400 --> 1:58:50.240
<v Speaker 1>French investigation, the blood samples that were taken from his

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<v Speaker 1>body showed a B a C A blood alcohol content

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<v Speaker 1>of point one seven legal limit in America's like point four,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it I it's I think, oh eight is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of typical. So that's more than twice three times the limit.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think point six or point oh six is

1:59:21.160 --> 1:59:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the limit there. So yeah, that's three times the drunk.

1:59:24.400 --> 1:59:28.360
<v Speaker 1>You have either of you known anybody who was pulled

1:59:28.400 --> 1:59:33.440
<v Speaker 1>over and got the your over the limit? Joe, Yeah,

1:59:33.640 --> 1:59:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I have. I've seen friends who left and then got

1:59:36.160 --> 1:59:44.120
<v Speaker 1>pulled over and they were pits drunk, completely stagger fall

1:59:44.240 --> 1:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>down drunk, and they were at the limits. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is saying that he was I use upper case letters

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<v Speaker 1>for this super drong puper abs literally obscenely drunk. I

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<v Speaker 1>have problems with that. Yeah, me too, But let's keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll we'll leave that be for the moment. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into it a minute. The other thing that they find

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<v Speaker 1>when they do his blood screen or blood talks is

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<v Speaker 1>they also find it is an extremely, an unusually high

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<v Speaker 1>amount of carbon monoxide in his blood, which is weird

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<v Speaker 1>and really kind of hard to pin down. Initially attributed

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<v Speaker 1>it to a number of factors. One they said he

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<v Speaker 1>was in an underground tunnel, which is the dumbest thing

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<v Speaker 1>I ever heard, because he died on impact. But a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other people say, you know, he lived in

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<v Speaker 1>a densely populated area, it was pollution, right, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>also dumb, because then everybody else who lives in Paris

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<v Speaker 1>should have the same carbon monoxide level in their blood,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it shouldn't be above average. This should be

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<v Speaker 1>a little higher though, because he smokes cigars. He did,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about that, but you know that that

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't put him added unusually high for the average median

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<v Speaker 1>if he lives in an urban setting Paris or and

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<v Speaker 1>so everybody there should have approximately the same level. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the baseline. He should be a little above, not

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<v Speaker 1>extremely high. Blood work on anybody else in the car, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that I ever saw. I mean, he was

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<v Speaker 1>the driver, so he was obviously it'd be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see what the carabon monoxide levels were for everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>in the car, would wouldn't it. But that's the problem

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<v Speaker 1>right with Diana being involved. You lose all that blood

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<v Speaker 1>sample and then Doughty I don't know if they what

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<v Speaker 1>they ever did with him, and then it would seem

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<v Speaker 1>that they should have tested um Trevor, Yeah, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they ever did. Well. These things are

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<v Speaker 1>never brought forward, of course, but but again these are

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<v Speaker 1>the things that are to be focused to pond this

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing that gets jumped on and everybody says,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had, but well the other people were looked at,

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<v Speaker 1>but those don't get reported, and of course then you

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<v Speaker 1>know the operation peget doesn't doesn't say anything about it

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<v Speaker 1>because it was just so inconsequential. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to say. But let's for a minute talk about

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<v Speaker 1>he'd worked for the Fayett family for over ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>so he had been doing private security for them. He

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<v Speaker 1>eventually did such a good job that he got promoted

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<v Speaker 1>to deputy head of security. He also, on the side,

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<v Speaker 1>was a private pilot, so he liked to fly planes.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one of the things. He kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>this thing of I like to fly do my job,

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<v Speaker 1>but flying is kind of what I love. And he

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<v Speaker 1>did his job well. Apparently it got tipped handsomely by

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<v Speaker 1>the super richist state. Yeah, there was size. I ever

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<v Speaker 1>saw anything to said that he was sloppy. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was he wouldn't have been promoted like exactly had

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<v Speaker 1>he actually kind of a sweet job, because these these

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<v Speaker 1>rich people would like tip him really handsomely to just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hang out and make sure that paparazzi didn't Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. So they're they're, they're, they're they're tipping

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<v Speaker 1>him like, you know, five hundred pounds, thousand pounds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very very set when he died. They've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money in his bank account. Yeah. Like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>he liked to fly. He had three days prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the accident he had to go take and subsequently he

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<v Speaker 1>passed his private Pilots physical. At the time, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the standard practice like it is now to take blood

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<v Speaker 1>work and to do a but I would call a

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<v Speaker 1>rigorous physical examination of somebody. But he still passed the test.

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<v Speaker 1>Most to it was just question and answer, but he

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<v Speaker 1>still passed it. And there was no there was no

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<v Speaker 1>question from the doctor of well maybe this isn't right,

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<v Speaker 1>so that seems okay. Yeah, And the inquest that we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, they did an autopsy on Henri's body and

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<v Speaker 1>they explicitly said that Paul's liver was found to be

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<v Speaker 1>normal and that you know, he had been taking these

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<v Speaker 1>pills we're going to talk about in a minute, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the different things that he had been taking. But

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<v Speaker 1>his doctor had said that he didn't or she sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't think that he had a drinking problem, but

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<v Speaker 1>that he had the personality that he could develop one

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<v Speaker 1>if he became depressed or anything like that. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a bit depressed, it seems. He was a forty something

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<v Speaker 1>year old man, he was, and he had to get

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a drinking. Yeah, and he had he

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<v Speaker 1>had just gone through a big breakup from a long

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<v Speaker 1>term relationship and you know sort of things that might

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<v Speaker 1>attribute to that. So she had prescribed some things, but

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<v Speaker 1>she said he didn't drink regularly, and when he did,

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<v Speaker 1>it was never beyond the bounds of a normal kind

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<v Speaker 1>of person relaxing, so like one or two. Well, but

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<v Speaker 1>he also he was worried about it. Well, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. You know when you talk to your doctor

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<v Speaker 1>and your doctor says how much do you drink? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like when a cop asks you don't

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<v Speaker 1>tell him the truth. That's true. But the irony is

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<v Speaker 1>what I signed up for my health insurance this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I had this very same thing. Do I tell him

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<v Speaker 1>the truth or do I not? Like, how much do

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<v Speaker 1>you reveal? Because you don't want to be pigeonholed? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I have this many beers once a week. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that means I get pigeonholed, or yeah, that means I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a booze problem, or or the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>do drink anything at all could mean that according to

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<v Speaker 1>this duct. I mean, it's it's a really weird conundrum

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<v Speaker 1>that it can put a guy in, absolutely any person in.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the impression that I had is that

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<v Speaker 1>he was He did have that concern of I could

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<v Speaker 1>become an alcoholic, and he knew for his job and

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<v Speaker 1>for his hobbies, right being a pilot, you can't be

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<v Speaker 1>an alcoholic. For a job as a deputyst security for

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of rich people, you can't be an alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did. He asked the doctor to prescribe him

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<v Speaker 1>anti alcoholic medication. This is strange, I mean to me,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, I can't imagine asking something like that

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<v Speaker 1>to be to prescribe for me unless I already have

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<v Speaker 1>a serious drinking problem. Well unless like it was in

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<v Speaker 1>your family. Well no, actually I can. I can understand this.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say I don't want to go on to

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<v Speaker 1>a long tangent here, but let's just say that he well,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that he had broken up from a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you find yourself for two weeks in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>every night going out and getting trash and saying, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, this is not good. And I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>any reason not to do this. But rationally I know

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<v Speaker 1>that's a bad idea. I need to go see my

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<v Speaker 1>doctor and get something done about that. And he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to his doctor, and his doctor gave him

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<v Speaker 1>prozac to help with his his moods. Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the same time she gave him the anti

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol medication, by the way, doesn't bar him from drinking alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>It just makes it taste a little bit. It's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's um god. I can't think of what the common

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<v Speaker 1>version of it would be in the US, but basically

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<v Speaker 1>it makes it so he doesn't like, he doesn't enjoy drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna make him physically ill, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to make it that fun. Well, it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>in his room and the Rits they found the empty

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<v Speaker 1>packets of that medication. Yeah, but didn't it take like

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks to kick in. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>a you take it and suddenly booze tape. That's absolutely correct,

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<v Speaker 1>But it indicates to me that they hadn't been in

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<v Speaker 1>that hotel room very long, and he had a how

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<v Speaker 1>long have they been at the hotel? The days Diane

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<v Speaker 1>Dody know that night that night? Okay, So but what's

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<v Speaker 1>that got to do with him in his room though? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>but if in his room there are the empty packets

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<v Speaker 1>from the pills, that means he hadn't been taking them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think that means he started taking it

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<v Speaker 1>that night. He had been taking it prior those pills.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I can tell in the research, they take

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<v Speaker 1>ballpark five days to kick in, and ballpark after the fact,

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<v Speaker 1>after you stopped taking them there in your system for

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<v Speaker 1>about one to two days. All right, We were all

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<v Speaker 1>good with that, Okay. So I say this stuff has

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<v Speaker 1>to be in some way, shape or form in his

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<v Speaker 1>system and that and of course that I understand that

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<v Speaker 1>means that means dependent on the dosage and how long

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<v Speaker 1>have the dosage has been there, But he's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be taking it. The British in quest also operations before

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<v Speaker 1>Well we're talking about things that were in his system, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a drug called albin dazzle. Yeah, yeah, albendazole.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds more right. I like that way. Uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>was unaccounted for his doctor hadn't prescribed it to him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was found in a hair sample of his. So

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<v Speaker 1>they tested his hair right as well for his drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>because you do that sometimes, right, Some stuff doesn't show

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<v Speaker 1>up in your blood necessarily. And it's a drug commonly

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<v Speaker 1>given to homeless people in the United Kingdom, and it

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<v Speaker 1>treats worm infestations like ring warring ring worm and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You're laughing, but this is true, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was found in his hair. It's a worm medicine, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just so weird to me. Yeah, that's why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>laughing at it, because that's just so odd. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>odd that his doctor and prescribe it. Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 1>grind this stuff up and snort it, does it get

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<v Speaker 1>you high? I don't know. I didn't do that. That's unlikely.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it get the worms high? Probably? The side effects

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<v Speaker 1>are there are some potentially serious side effects on this

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<v Speaker 1>that include bone marrow suppression. That's not really that important.

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<v Speaker 1>What is important is that liver inflammation has been reported,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly those with liver problems, which we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>His liver we'll talk about We've talked about a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then other more common side effects including a nausea,

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<v Speaker 1>abdominal pain, and headaches. Not really the sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that would really affect your blood alcohol level, but it

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<v Speaker 1>might affect your ability to drive a car if you're

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<v Speaker 1>having severe headaches or abdominal crams or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But also super weird that they found that in his hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is he taking the worming medication that his doctor

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<v Speaker 1>didn't prescribe? You know that. The other thing I think

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<v Speaker 1>is that it seems that he had a fairly open

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<v Speaker 1>conversation dialogue with his doctor. He was able to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I want this anti alcoholism medication, right, So on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that for him to like not mention, oh, also

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<v Speaker 1>what have ring worm? That's that's a little weird. It

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<v Speaker 1>sends up a little red flag. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about why it sends up a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 1>a red flag because there are some conspiracy theories about

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<v Speaker 1>the blood and hair and body of Henry Paul or

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<v Speaker 1>on Repaul that was found in the car. This is

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that kind of feeds into that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>said ring worm deal, but why didn't the doctor prescribe?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like an over the counter medication, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>prescription pill. So it wasn't prescribed to him by the doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>So why didn't he go see his doctor for this?

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<v Speaker 1>He wants somewhere else anonymously and paid cash because he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't wanted his medical records. That's all it is, which

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<v Speaker 1>is silly because yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was worth mentioning. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, Well let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the night of the accident with him

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<v Speaker 1>drinking and stuff. Yeah, okay, that stone that he was drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a fact. He was off of work and

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<v Speaker 1>he was drinking. There are eyewitness accounts and receipts eyewitnesses

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<v Speaker 1>as in patrons in the bar and the bartender, and

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<v Speaker 1>the receipt from the bartender putting him in the hotel bar,

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<v Speaker 1>so we know he was in the hotel. The eyewitnesses

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<v Speaker 1>were who the bartender and a couple of patrons and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of patrons. But they say that according to

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, he had two recards. And I hope

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pronouncing that ards it Maybe I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>I keep thinking that, but okay, whichever, it doesn't matter. Something,

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<v Speaker 1>well I looked it up. It's it's it's an honest

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<v Speaker 1>base alcohol. It's not super popular at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of become more popular now. But he had

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<v Speaker 1>two drinks of that, and I looked this booze up.

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<v Speaker 1>You can buy it in what it's a seventies sentiliter bottle,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think equates to like a twenty four ounce

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<v Speaker 1>bottle over the counter. So I can't see him in

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<v Speaker 1>the bar getting a twenty four bottle. So I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a guess that what he got was a glass. So

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<v Speaker 1>it had to be a mixed drink, which it can't

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<v Speaker 1>be a big mixed drink because it's it's a full

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of booze that I was looking at a nine. Also, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're charging him for just you know, the shot of

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<v Speaker 1>that the mixers free, or maybe he's just drinking it

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<v Speaker 1>over ice or straight up. It to me is the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of going to the bar and getting a shot

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<v Speaker 1>of whiskey on the rocks. Now, two of those is

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<v Speaker 1>not good, depending on the state of your stomach. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>forget about But also don't forget this. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever like had a bar that you go

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<v Speaker 1>to on a regular basis or not, but often it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out in cases like that, especially like I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that this bar maybe you get what's called the brow deal,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that you don't get charged for all the

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<v Speaker 1>drinks that you take, and that can be possible. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, let's not forget the bartender has a

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<v Speaker 1>strong reason to not tell the truth later on because

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to be culpable for you driving drunk. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But we're not going to go there yet, Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to stick to this to drinking out.

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<v Speaker 1>His b A c indicated that he had had like

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<v Speaker 1>ten or twelve of these freaking things. But um, I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to talk about briefly the carbon monoxide. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in his blood, he was he was moving cigars. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he he was known to smoke cigars in evidently that

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<v Speaker 1>night he had been smoking. He smoke two cigars, which

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<v Speaker 1>for anybody who's ever smoked a cigar, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of smoking. They were full of cigars anything. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, the big, old like giant things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried to smoke a cigar and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>made it like ten minutes and made half progress on

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<v Speaker 1>that stupid thing. Oh no, okay, well, yeah, that's I

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<v Speaker 1>think that made me sick. That's why I stopped. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot to inhale. And this guy is inhaling

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<v Speaker 1>several to two plus cigars that that, to me explains

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<v Speaker 1>the carbon monoxide. I also then, okay, I'm I'm operating

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<v Speaker 1>on the Let's say what we have is evidence from

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<v Speaker 1>the bar is true. How the hell can his B

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<v Speaker 1>A C be that high? Can't? Can it can if

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<v Speaker 1>he's got no food in him? But I started rooting

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<v Speaker 1>around in a couple of things, and I actually found

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<v Speaker 1>some medical studies which believe it or not, exonerating him

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit or prove that maybe the numbers aren't right. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there is from a physiological standpoint, there is an interaction

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<v Speaker 1>in the body between alcohol and nicotine. And I'd heard

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<v Speaker 1>this from a doctor years ago that nicotine blocks your

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<v Speaker 1>uptake of alcohol. Turns out there's a couple of scientists

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<v Speaker 1>who did a study and they took three control control

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<v Speaker 1>groups of rats. What they did is they injected the

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<v Speaker 1>same amount of alcohol into all of them, and then

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<v Speaker 1>group A got a low dose, Group BE got a

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<v Speaker 1>high dose or medium does and groups C got the

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<v Speaker 1>high dose of nicotine. And go figure the group they

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<v Speaker 1>got the high dose of nicotine had a lower blood

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol content peak number because the nicotine was blocking some

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<v Speaker 1>of the receptors in the body that pulling the booze.

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<v Speaker 1>So if this guy is huffing cigars all night long,

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<v Speaker 1>it stands to reason based on this study. And I

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<v Speaker 1>understand this is a study, it's not concrete proof, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen supporting studies of this and just anecdotal evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But if this guy is sucking on a cigar all

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<v Speaker 1>night long, and he's had two drinks or two shots,

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<v Speaker 1>he shouldn't be nearly as drunk as the guy next

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<v Speaker 1>to him who's had the equal exact same amount of

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<v Speaker 1>food and day and number of shots, because the nicotine

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<v Speaker 1>stops the upticks. But highly weird, but it turns out true.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's let's finish with my last thing that really

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<v Speaker 1>really makes me question if he was total guano house drunk. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch the footage of him in the hotel

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<v Speaker 1>lobby and you watch him outside, he's standing around, he's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>he sees Diane Dody, he walks him outside, he holds

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<v Speaker 1>the door, he waves to somebody suspicious, suspiciously, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he walks to the car and he opens the doors

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<v Speaker 1>and gets in. Nowhere in that crappy footage does he

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly go and tip over drunk. Yeah, he doesn't stumble

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Nothing about his behavior indicates that he is

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<v Speaker 1>completely in the bag but can put away a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this is and still maintaining. But those people tend

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<v Speaker 1>to have signs in physiologically, like in their liver that

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about that would show that, yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 1>maintain the face, but your body is paying the price.

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<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't seem to have had that. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it takes a while to really start damaging

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<v Speaker 1>your liver, so but it also takes a while to

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<v Speaker 1>learn to operate that way. I mean, I'm sorry, how

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<v Speaker 1>many of you have known drunks. And for a while

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<v Speaker 1>the drunks you don't know they're drunks because they're really

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<v Speaker 1>good at operating like they're sober. And then suddenly there

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the point where they take a beer and

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<v Speaker 1>they go because they're just so hosebagged immediately that they're done,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a it's not a gradual progression, but physiologically

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<v Speaker 1>the signs are super obvious. So none of that showed up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's a little mysterious to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>agree that. I think that it's easily explainable that he

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<v Speaker 1>could have had the higher blood alcohol content and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he drank outside the bar he went back to his room. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not going to disagree with that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You still would expect there to be slurring, which apparently

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<v Speaker 1>nobody noticed, and staggering, a little bit of staggering at

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<v Speaker 1>that blood alcoholic content. And and for our friends who

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<v Speaker 1>were going to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon, because I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen this and say, well, he's that the blood was

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<v Speaker 1>switched out or accidentally confused with somebody else's blood. In

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<v Speaker 1>the lab, that blood was sampled multiple times, and every

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<v Speaker 1>time he came back with the same results. And to

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<v Speaker 1>accommodate this screaming and hand waving of it's not his blood,

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<v Speaker 1>they did a DNA test on it. And it's a wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta look at I gotta look at this number

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so many digits. It's a nine nine nine

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<v Speaker 1>nine nine seven match to his mother, which so it's

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<v Speaker 1>just his mom's blood. I say it's his blood. Although

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<v Speaker 1>if I want to get in bed with the well

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<v Speaker 1>it's the conspiracy. Something's going on. Okay, he went out,

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<v Speaker 1>he had way too much to drink, he passed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody took a vial of his blood. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>say that's what happened. But if we're going to fall

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<v Speaker 1>into that camp, that's the next logical step after you

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<v Speaker 1>find out it's a genetic match. That's a pretty sust

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<v Speaker 1>just amazing a case of planning there too. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why in the tunnel. Yeah, that falls back into the

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<v Speaker 1>m I six involvement, which we've already kind of blasted apart. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think that I do think though,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's there is the one can I say there's

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<v Speaker 1>a compromise but asie, which is that he might not

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<v Speaker 1>have been falling down drunk, but in the situation that

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<v Speaker 1>they were in, they were in a dangerous tunnel that

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<v Speaker 1>had these nasty columns in the middle that you could

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<v Speaker 1>pile into. He lost control, which he can even do sober,

2:22:13.240 --> 2:22:16.360
<v Speaker 1>and his reflexes were a little dulled by alcohol, and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>next thing, you know, big time wrap. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>was not sober. I'm not saying he was so, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also I'm amazed that he was three times over

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<v Speaker 1>the limit. Yeah, because Joe, we've known the same people

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<v Speaker 1>who have walked out of the bar and fallen on

2:22:35.320 --> 2:22:39.360
<v Speaker 1>their face drunk, and it's like, whoo, holy hell, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you drink that much that fast. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from a physiological standpoint that to me, I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>people I'm thinking of, that is a long term problem.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes ready for the next final. Oh, let's talking

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<v Speaker 1>very fund absolutely, let's have it. And this one is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty home grown. And I think I might be the

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<v Speaker 1>only one in this room who likes this theory at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll go down in at least. Yeah, this theory I

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<v Speaker 1>started to think about. You know, we've been researching this

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<v Speaker 1>episode for a number of weeks now, but last week

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<v Speaker 1>we last week we talked about sneek haff Phillips and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve brought forward the theory that maybe her husband did it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that got me thinking, what about Mohammed Alfad Because

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<v Speaker 1>he's the only one making all of the claims hundred

2:23:36.520 --> 2:23:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and seventies some odd claims, right, So either you have

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who's proud of the fact that his oldest son

2:23:45.760 --> 2:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>was dating Princess Diana, or you have somebody who was

2:23:49.200 --> 2:23:54.360
<v Speaker 1>trying desperately to shine the light literally anywhere but himself.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was ashamed essentially, maybe not a shamed, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>trying to over something up. Okay, okay, okay, And so

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible, right Muhammad Alpha adds history is a bit weird.

2:24:08.840 --> 2:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>We mentioned that he's close with an arms tailer in Dubai. Uh.

2:24:14.560 --> 2:24:20.280
<v Speaker 1>He's a very ambitious businessman. He was the biggest person

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<v Speaker 1>who was involved with the cash for questions scandal, which

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have to google if you're like really

2:24:27.400 --> 2:24:30.360
<v Speaker 1>really interested. But the cliff notes quick version is that

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<v Speaker 1>alphay Ad bribed through a third party, lots of members

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<v Speaker 1>of Parliament to ask parliamentary questions, which are apparently like

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<v Speaker 1>a huge deal. Uh. And it was like a pretty

2:24:40.800 --> 2:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>huge scandal that broke in Britain. One of all fa

2:24:44.760 --> 2:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Ads claims for one of you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy someone claims, was that he didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>that anybody wanted to see Diana dead, but instead that

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<v Speaker 1>she died after a plan to frighten her had gone wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>a plan to scare her into breaking up with Doughty.

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<v Speaker 1>So they put on like white bed sheets and pretended

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<v Speaker 1>to be No. I think that the fear was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get like, let's have her be in a car accident

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<v Speaker 1>and she would think, oh my gosh, something's gone wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't understand necessarily. First thing, when

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<v Speaker 1>I get a near miss, I think I gotta break

2:25:18.160 --> 2:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>up with her. Yeah, is that the reason? But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we'll put a little bit of perspective on this.

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<v Speaker 1>We've kind of skirted around the issue. But Diana was

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<v Speaker 1>a member of the Church of England and Doughty was

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<v Speaker 1>and um he was part of the Islamic religion. Diana

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a strong independent woman, though she was

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not the smartest of the women. And she did

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<v Speaker 1>have two sons, and one of which was going to

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<v Speaker 1>eventually be the heir to the throne. He was in

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<v Speaker 1>one more than the other. Yes they are. Doughty was

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<v Speaker 1>off I Had's firstborn son, so he would have been

2:25:57.480 --> 2:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of the heir to his fortune. Even if Diana

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't pregnant, the idea of her raising Doughty's potential children

2:26:04.959 --> 2:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>could have been upsetting to all fad for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>The flip side of do you want to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the flip side of that. Okay, so this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the documentaries that I watched it. I'm

2:26:15.400 --> 2:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure was funded by al Fai. I looked through

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<v Speaker 1>all the credits and very conveniently, I didn't find his day.

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<v Speaker 1>But it really seems like all of the internal interviews. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>short version is the opposite is true. Diana has two

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<v Speaker 1>sons that are part of the Church of England and

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<v Speaker 1>in line for the throne of Britain. So what a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible thing if suddenly they have a half sibling who

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<v Speaker 1>is Islama and could potentially have an influence on them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think, you know, to be fair, none

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<v Speaker 1>of us are saying that. No, I think they're just

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<v Speaker 1>I think that both of those are ludicrous. I agree. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a fun, fun fact about Doughty Head that

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<v Speaker 1>I know I mentioned to you guys before recording, and

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<v Speaker 1>both of the shock on both of your faces was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Doughty he was actually engaged already when he was dating Diana.

2:27:16.560 --> 2:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>He did we We didn't mention that, did we. We didn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was to an American model named Kelly Fisher. He

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<v Speaker 1>had in fact purchased a house for them in Malibu

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<v Speaker 1>and proposed like a couple months before he started dating Diana.

2:27:33.640 --> 2:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>He denied that he was dating Diana to Fisher over

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<v Speaker 1>the phone. She actually has recordings of this because she

2:27:40.920 --> 2:27:43.480
<v Speaker 1>felt really jilted and she was going to sue him,

2:27:44.320 --> 2:27:46.840
<v Speaker 1>so she called him to confront him about it and

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<v Speaker 1>recorded the phone conversation, and on it, he vehemently was like, no,

2:27:51.280 --> 2:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>we're not dating, We're just friends. Were not dating at all,

2:27:53.680 --> 2:27:56.039
<v Speaker 1>which is what you would say to your girlfriend, right

2:27:56.120 --> 2:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>if you if she found out about your other girlfriend.

2:27:58.520 --> 2:28:04.080
<v Speaker 1>That also explains the re the ring that he everything

2:28:04.560 --> 2:28:08.039
<v Speaker 1>says dot he went to the ring that the jewelry

2:28:08.200 --> 2:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>store and he was getting this ring for Diana to

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<v Speaker 1>propose there and set up their engagement. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't for Diana. I don't think it was for Diana.

2:28:16.959 --> 2:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it was for her. Yeah, for Fissure. Yeah,

2:28:20.120 --> 2:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>because it was a diamond encrusted, freaking huge, obscene ring.

2:28:28.640 --> 2:28:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Makes so much sense that, oh, well, we're engaged in honey,

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<v Speaker 1>just got back from this trip for France and lookye

2:28:35.920 --> 2:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>here here's another thing. Look about me guarding your favor. Yeah, anyway,

2:28:42.360 --> 2:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that's a bit of a side tangent. But I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the point is is that al Fayad certainly had the

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<v Speaker 1>means to orchestrate this. He knew where they were going.

2:28:51.879 --> 2:28:54.360
<v Speaker 1>He employed the man who crashed the car. He could

2:28:54.360 --> 2:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>have easily dosed on Re with something causing him to

2:28:58.760 --> 2:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>be more inebriated than he was. Now that necessary he

2:29:03.360 --> 2:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>wants to get killed, well in that in that instance, right,

2:29:07.240 --> 2:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>he wants to scare them. Well, it's not intentionally killing them,

2:29:12.000 --> 2:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>but let's scare the holy living bleep out of them.

2:29:15.920 --> 2:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>He could Diana leave, yeah, and he could have just

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<v Speaker 1>said to Ri, like, hey, could you scare them a

2:29:23.320 --> 2:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>whole lot on your way over there, and we'll see

2:29:25.480 --> 2:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>if Diana kind of bolts, you know, and things got

2:29:29.200 --> 2:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>out of control. Maybe he didn't know that Onri was

2:29:31.280 --> 2:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>inebriated in any way, and on retook it like to

2:29:34.680 --> 2:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the extreme. You know, there's there was ample time and

2:29:38.520 --> 2:29:41.840
<v Speaker 1>ability for al Fayed to have planned something. He was

2:29:41.959 --> 2:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the only people who really knew where Diana

2:29:44.240 --> 2:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and Dodi were headed, right, he could have organized for

2:29:47.440 --> 2:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a white fat you know, to be in the place.

2:29:50.400 --> 2:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>In the way. That's pretty dramatic. Dramatic, it's absolutely dramatic,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that at the very least, we owe

2:29:58.720 --> 2:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>it to mention that. I don't think. I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't genuinely think that there's good motive. I don't genuinely

2:30:06.280 --> 2:30:09.879
<v Speaker 1>think that al Fayed would have had his oldest son,

2:30:10.040 --> 2:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>who he probably just adored, killed. But I think that

2:30:15.120 --> 2:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>while we're mentioning all these other crazy ludicrous things, we

2:30:17.600 --> 2:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>may as well mention this one as well. What the hell? Yeah,

2:30:20.520 --> 2:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that, yeah, my advent to look at this.

2:30:23.560 --> 2:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe he felt like his his his Diana

2:30:26.760 --> 2:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>was a tart and and that Doughty was bringing this

2:30:29.120 --> 2:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>honor upon the family. It's all, you know, there's so

2:30:31.320 --> 2:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>many killing you can you can't find a lot of reasons,

2:30:34.440 --> 2:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and I don't. I don't. I don't personally find any

2:30:36.920 --> 2:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>merit in any of them. But no, not really. There

2:30:39.480 --> 2:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>you go. So that's I think our last theory. I'm

2:30:41.840 --> 2:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of doubting that he did it. Yeah, I don't think,

2:30:45.240 --> 2:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Thank God. I also like, I don't think that any

2:30:48.400 --> 2:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of those are awesome theories. I had one more theory.

2:30:53.240 --> 2:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>There was a shadowy coalition of regular guys who are

2:30:56.000 --> 2:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>really really sick of hearing about Diana. No not, That's

2:31:01.400 --> 2:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>definitely not the biggest mystery for me. And this whole

2:31:05.800 --> 2:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>thing is is seriously, the whole Diana of session always

2:31:11.000 --> 2:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>left me cold and always made me wondering what the hell.

2:31:14.320 --> 2:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people are so fascinating about it.

2:31:16.600 --> 2:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a cultural thing, though, Joe, We're we're in the US,

2:31:21.920 --> 2:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>We're in the Western States. We don't get that. But

2:31:26.280 --> 2:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>it is a total cultural thing, like all of Britain

2:31:31.280 --> 2:31:35.080
<v Speaker 1>got into it and then it spread from there. We're

2:31:35.120 --> 2:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>not putting down I'm not saying that the Brits are

2:31:38.400 --> 2:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>not or anything like. No, No, I know in America Diana.

2:31:42.800 --> 2:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>People in America went berserk for Diana. I mean we

2:31:48.160 --> 2:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>heard about nothing else. It wasn't just the Brits that

2:31:50.720 --> 2:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>went crazy for I think that part of what happened

2:31:53.480 --> 2:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>is people ignored the fact that she was a lady

2:31:55.720 --> 2:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>right from a well off family. Her story was kind

2:32:00.040 --> 2:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>of build as a rags to riches. Yes, inderelevant, and

2:32:04.720 --> 2:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I think people really bought into that. Yeah, it wasn't true,

2:32:09.720 --> 2:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>but even so that the thing about it was is

2:32:12.680 --> 2:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>that is that it's one thing to package something like

2:32:16.280 --> 2:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that into a ninety minute to our movie. It's another

2:32:19.000 --> 2:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>thing to package it into, you know, twenty years of

2:32:22.280 --> 2:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>tabloid crap, I mean, which is what people did. And

2:32:24.760 --> 2:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I never understood it that that why people were even

2:32:28.280 --> 2:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>remotely interested in Diana family. So if you know it

2:32:32.760 --> 2:32:35.120
<v Speaker 1>was a mystery, I mean yeah, yeah, if you know,

2:32:35.320 --> 2:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I sent us a letter. Yeah, I think I don't

2:32:39.440 --> 2:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>like any of these theories I've left wanting. I think

2:32:42.720 --> 2:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>that No, it's just I think, you know, car crash,

2:32:45.600 --> 2:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean it happened, yeah, and it's unfortunate

2:32:49.080 --> 2:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and we won't know whoever. And by the way, Paris

2:32:52.080 --> 2:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>put some freaking guard rails in that Sally the f

2:32:58.000 --> 2:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>is going on roadway system in that one tunnel. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can't tell, we're tired now, we're getting cranky and rauchy.

2:33:10.080 --> 2:33:12.200
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