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Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of

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Speaker 1: it's thinking sideways. Team Sideways here, um Devin joined by Steve,

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Speaker 1: And what do you guys want to talk about to me?

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Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. You haven't figured it out,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Wikipedia. Well, if you guys want to talk

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Speaker 1: about something magnificent or like royally magnificent, should we talk

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Speaker 1: about this massive tone that I have in my hands? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is our show notes? Why don't we throw the

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Speaker 1: I guess Royal Mystery. Tonight we're going to tackle the

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Speaker 1: death of Princess Diana, and we're not going to talk

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Speaker 1: so get excited. Yeah, ye, get your water bottles, your

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Diana's personal history for a minute. Okay, quickly, yeah,

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Speaker 1: our experts put it, they were quote pals, but quote

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Speaker 1: What exactly does that mean? Yeah, it means that they. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just so much royal intrigue and how the systems

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Speaker 1: In seventy seven, just prior to moving to London, Diana

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Speaker 1: and his father was a you know, a royal there.

423
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: His family was forced to leave Greece when he was

424
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: a year old. So there's the stories of him as

425
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: a baby in a bread basket being put on a

426
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: ship with everybody else. Of course there is is that

427
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: not great pr or what? Yeah? And of course somebody

428
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: swapped baskets, don't they replaced him with a vampire? Oh no,

429
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: that's no. Uh. So let's go ahead and talk about

430
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: the courtship between Philip and Elizabeth. When he was courting

431
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Eliza with he I don't know if he had to

432
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: or if he voluntarily did this, but he gave up

433
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: his royal titles in both Denmark and Greece, and he

434
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: became a naturalized British citizen, which makes sense because if

435
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: you're going to marry a woman who's gonna be the queen,

436
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: you should be a naturalized citizen of that country. Um. Yeah,

437
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't want that conflict of interest either. And I

438
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: know I just kind of said this a little bit

439
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: about Elizabeth, but I've seen the same things about Philip

440
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: is that he is, while kind of a cranky old sod,

441
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: he's really just a benevolent guy and he's an old

442
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: man and everything's fine with him too. He is a conniving, manipulative,

443
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: mean guy who will do whatever he wants, and the

444
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: same thing they've been off or they've been on the crown,

445
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: on the throne for so long, I can see either way,

446
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: because they're just gonna be so many interactions. You thinking

447
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: that maybe he's conniving him mean enough to order the

448
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: murder of a princess. I don't. You don't know that

449
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: that that doesn't make sense to me. But we're gonna

450
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: get that later. We're going to totally get there. Let's

451
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: move forward, though, to the next set of players that

452
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about, because I know we're gonna

453
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: break up some of this so that we don't have

454
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: to hear me drowning on this because I'm already getting

455
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: bored hearing like, why don't you talking about the coreges

456
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: the last one, the last two players that we're going

457
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: to talk about, who really they're not direct players, but

458
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: they're Diana's children. So there's Prince William, whose official title

459
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: is Prince William, Duke of Cambridge. He was born in

460
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. And then there is Prince Henry of

461
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: Wales and he was born in night. So there's two

462
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: about two years. There's about two year and a half,

463
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: two years between the boys. Daniel Devon um um. But

464
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, well, probably as we talked about, they know

465
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: William because he had a son two years ago and

466
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: or three years ago, and then they just had the

467
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: new daughter just as the time that we're recording this,

468
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: that happened like a week and a half ago to

469
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: be super super recent. I don't really pay attention to

470
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: the British royal family at all. When Diana died, the

471
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: boys were respectively fifteen and twelve, So williams fifteen, Henry

472
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: was twelve. I know they walked in the royal procession

473
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: with the coffin, and they don't play any direct role

474
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: in our story. They're more what I think we would

475
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: refer to sometimes is kind of collateral damage because they're

476
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: the ones who have to pay the price for everything

477
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: that happened, whether regardless of what happened. Yeah. Um, there's

478
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: a very cute little quote, not that it pertains to

479
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: a story so much. I think I know where you're going.

480
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: The little story of when Diane Anna and Charles got divorced.

481
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: She was stripped of her what's called the style, which

482
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: is the her most royal highness. Right, she's still Diana,

483
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: Princess of Wales, and Lady Diana would still be there. Yeah,

484
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: but she's no longer her most royal Highness or her

485
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: royal Highness. I could live with that. And so she

486
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: was stripped of that, and William, trying to comfort his mom,

487
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of comes over and you know, pats around the

488
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: shoulder and says, don't worry Mom, when I'm king, I'll

489
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: give it back to you. So cute. Oh Mummy, I'm sorry,

490
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: it's cute. I just think it's cute. Yeah, no, no,

491
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an absolute, totally a thing that

492
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: an adolescent, pre adolescent boy would say to comfort a parrot.

493
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: I also think it speaks volumes of you know, kind

494
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: of it's this is their tragedy, and we don't want

495
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: to belittle that. No, absolutely not. And I think that's

496
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: something to point out here, is that we're going to

497
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: go into a lot about the family and a lot

498
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: about different people, and I don't I don't want anybody

499
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: to lose sight of the fact that we understand that

500
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: three people died and that's a tragedy. These boys lost

501
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: their mother and that's a tragedy. So we're we're not

502
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: going to dismiss that. But we've got to talk about

503
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: We've got to get into some of these things because

504
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: that's just that's the nature of the beast, Like we

505
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: have to dig down and find a little justice for day,

506
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, somebody got away with murder. I think,

507
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: all right, we're going to wrap up the players here.

508
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: We've got two more people to talk about. There they

509
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: are the five heads. Dot Id was the younger the two.

510
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: He was a son of Mohammad Alfad dot I Fad

511
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen in the Egypt. It was the

512
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: son of a billionaire named Mohammed al Fayed. He went

513
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: to fancy schools in Europe. After school, he served as

514
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: an attache at the U a embassy in London, being

515
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: United Arab Emirates. He worked as a film producer for

516
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: a while. I assume bank rolling films with dad's money.

517
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: But something you've actually heard of some of these films

518
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Chariots of Fire f x f X two hook was

519
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: scarlet letter hook. The scarlett wasn't a scarlet letter the

520
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: one with any more. Oh, I don't know. I never

521
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: saw that, never saw either the cliff notes of that book.

522
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: Why would I watch the movie? Actually, that's one of

523
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: the books that I actually managed to make it through

524
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: topic here the He also worked for Herod's in London.

525
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: You guys have heard of Harrods and The Times. Yeah,

526
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty huge. By the way, his dad bought Herod's.

527
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, being a rich guy enabled dad to do

528
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: really cool stuff like hanging out on a two point

529
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: goat in the Mediterranean. The Princess of Wales. Yeah, yeah,

530
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: how cool would that be? Yeah? Doughty actually met Prince

531
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Charles and Princess diet way back in a polo tournament.

532
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: After checking that divorced in ninety six, I started dating

533
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: around and eventually started dating Doughty, which I think I

534
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: think it was about July n seven. They were only

535
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: dating for I think like forty seven days long at all,

536
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: not long. Yeah, and of course um Doughty died that

537
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: night with Diana. Yeah. His dad, Mohammed Alfa had was

538
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: born in Egypt uh and married Samira Kashogi, who was

539
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: a sister of Odd Nakashoki. You guys are probably heard

540
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: about his big major Saudi arms dealer. Yeah, and that

541
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 1: that guy I did a lot of other stuff too.

542
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, so so Dodi was the nephew of Odd Nakashoki.

543
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: I guess interesting, huh. But yeah, but they were only

544
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: together two years. They only had one child. Later on,

545
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Alfa Mohammed remarried and had four other kids, but that

546
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: was the only child by this woman. Uh Alfa had

547
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: founded a shipping company in Egypt, moved to Genoa, Italy.

548
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: In the sixties, he moved to London, fell in with

549
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: the Amir of Dubai and luckily big for him, big

550
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: things were happening in Dubai that he got in right. Yeah,

551
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: when Dubai found oil, that region found oil and so

552
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: suddenly started booming. Yeah, Dubai actually doesn't have a huge

553
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: amount of oil, it sol, but they're kind of like

554
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: the Hong Kong of the Middle East, and so that

555
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of shipping through the everything comes through

556
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: a lot of financial transactions there. Yeah, I knew there

557
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: was something like yeah. Yeah, so it's they're extremely wealthy.

558
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: Lots of imported camels too, yeah, true, he's laughing. Yeah,

559
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: they import their camels, yeah, really laughing, Yeah, they do.

560
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: So he was involved with all kinds of different business dealings.

561
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: He was worth well well in access of a billion

562
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: dollars and when when when that meant something crazy and

563
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: still now, but when that was insane? Yeah exactly. There

564
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 1: weren't that many billionaires back and back in the way. Yeah. Yeah.

565
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: By the way, he also bought the Ritz Hotel in

566
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: Paris in seventy nine, which is kind of where a

567
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: story begins, it does a little bit. Yeah, the Ritz Hotel,

568
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: not not in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, that's an odd

569
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: bit of wayback machine. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, at the

570
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Ritz Hotel and all originated their Doughtie and Diana were

571
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: there on actually on Saturday August, So I guess a

572
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: few years after bought the hotel, Princess Diana arrived in

573
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Paris with her then boyfriend, as we mentioned, Doughty fay

574
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Ed via private jet. As we mentioned Alpha Ed Mohammed

575
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Mohammed Alpha Ed, which is Doughtie's father, owns the Ritz

576
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: Hotel and Diana and Dodie planned to spend the night there.

577
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: They had spent the nine proceding days and nights together

578
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: as well. Um, kind of just bumming around. I believe

579
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: they were on a ship right there, on a freaking yacht,

580
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: super yacht. Yeah, kind of kind of the head of

581
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: security on RE Paul, right, We've seen it both ways.

582
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: It's French, so I think it's on RE, but a

583
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of people say it's Henry. Um, we'll probably just

584
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: call him Paul, Mr Paul. Yeah. He had been instructed

585
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: to drive Doughty and Diana in a rented black Mercedes

586
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: Benz from the hotel to an apartment that Offayette also

587
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: owned in town, since the paparazzi were becoming kind of

588
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: a huge issue and the couple wanted some privacy, which

589
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: I think is totally understandable. I guess we kind of

590
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: just I just kind of ran with this. I'm ready.

591
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: I've had an energy drink. I'm sorry everybody, I'm ready

592
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: for it. Uh, we're talking about the crash, the overview

593
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: of the crash, and the night, the night that Doughty,

594
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Diana and uh Mr Paul on Re died. We're not

595
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: talking about players anymore. We're in the story. Yes, yeah, sorry,

596
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: I'm just excited about this. I'm so sorry. Finally, after

597
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: months of research, tell our story for real. Though, a

598
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: decoy car left the hotel just prior to the real car,

599
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: which was meant to distract most of the paparazzi. It's

600
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: I think it did. Actually, there were quite a few

601
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: of many of them, many most of them, most of

602
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: them at t am so. I guess it's August thirty

603
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: one now. Dodi and Diana departed by the rental car

604
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: driven by Ri, who many report had been drinking that

605
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: night but may and may have been taking some prescription

606
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: pills that would have impaired his ability to react quickly,

607
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: like you know, you'd want your driver to be able

608
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: to do. And we will talk about that is really

609
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: deep and in fairness to Tonri that he actually got

610
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: maybe you're gonna talk about this, but he actually got

611
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: off duty at seven pm. Yeah, and then and then

612
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: was basically called back by Doughty who existed that he

613
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: be the driver. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not as though, Yeah,

614
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that we were gonna we were the

615
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: timeline had been brought up at any point for later on.

616
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, it said there's a three three and a

617
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: half hour gap between him getting off shift and suddenly

618
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: being back at work. Yea, yeah, yeah, so it's reasonable

619
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: that he could have had a drink or two as

620
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: he would want after work. Probably sure. A member of

621
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: the Fayed family security team named Trevor Rhys Jones was

622
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: also in the car. He was actually uh, he actually

623
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: survived the crash. Yes, he was in the front with

624
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: reading and then Diana and Dodi were in the back. Yeah,

625
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: but I have conflict conflicting reports about whether or not

626
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: he was wearing a seatbelt. I have to Yeah, but

627
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: his airbag did go off, So his airbag did go off,

628
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: And again he may or may not have been having

629
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: wearing a seatbelt. It's unclear nobody else in the in

630
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: the car was wearing a seatbelt. So he was in

631
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: the front passenger seat on Ria was driving, and Diana

632
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: and Dodi were in the back seats. Despite the decoy car,

633
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: many paparazzi paparazzo. Paparazzi's. Yes, paparazzi were still managed to

634
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: realize that this was the real car, and we're following

635
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: this car. Reports vary, but it's possible that Diana was not,

636
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: in fact actually sitting in the seat like you would

637
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: actually sit in a car seat. Some reports say that

638
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: she was actually like kneeling backwards in the seat, so

639
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: her her knees and legs and shins would have been

640
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: on the floor of the back passenger, so her feet

641
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: were underneath under the underneath the front seat, and that

642
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: she was like leaning over the seat where you would

643
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: usually put your bottom right. Is that a good description

644
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: of that? And and that was because of the paparazzi.

645
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: She was trying to not be photographed. And I guess

646
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: you would kind of feel, you know, you kind of

647
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: get wedged in there, that would feel kind of safe.

648
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it was a good decision. Well, no, no, no,

649
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen people do that where they crawl

650
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: into the floorboard of a car to avoid photographers, and

651
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: it never fails. Somebody takes a picture of him peeking

652
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: up out of the floor well, looking like a ding

653
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: dong with that deer in the headlights look and it's like, I, men,

654
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: just sit in your seat and hold your jacket up

655
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: so they can't see you and be comfortable. Yeah, but

656
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: but it was also a long ways to be sitting

657
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: in that position. Yeah, it was. It was a while.

658
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: So Henri was driving pretty fast. We'll talk about this minute. Yeah,

659
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly how, we don't know how fast,

660
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: but definitely faster than the suggested what thirty five a

661
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: lot faster than that, definitely at least twice as fast,

662
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: probably more. And right before he entered an underpass, or

663
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: right as he entered an underpassed he lost control of

664
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: the car. And we'll talk about why in a minute. Yeah, somebody,

665
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: uh is coming actually out of the underpass? Did you

666
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: go in the other direction? And at the in the

667
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: inquest actually reported that he was speeding in at a

668
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: high speed and he appeared to be veering to his left. Yeah,

669
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: unknown reasons. Yeah, so we don't know. There's a lot

670
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: about this that we don't know. So I'm just gonna

671
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of go, yeah, this is fact that no happen.

672
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: We know he lost control of the car. Yes, for why,

673
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: we don't know, but we know he lost lost control

674
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: of the car. He swerved kind of into the oncoming lanes,

675
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: like to his left. He didn't make it into the

676
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: oncoming lanes, but he swerved towards the oncoming lanes and

677
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: hit one of the support beams of the underpass. It

678
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: was support beam. Yeah, and let's let's kind of give

679
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: everybody a bit of a description here. This is almost

680
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: like an underpassed tunnel. It is. Yeah, it's not. You know,

681
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: we all we have underpasses that we all drive through

682
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: the time. And there's maybe one or two pillars. There

683
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: were I think on the order of thirty plus maybe

684
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: forty pillars that was under a large, large road, and

685
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: they were they were like every ten or fifteen they were.

686
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: It was a very long distance, that's the thing. And

687
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: they were very closely space essentially on the otter walls.

688
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of like smooth tiled walls stone. And then

689
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: the part the separates of the northbound and southbound lanes

690
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: or eastbound and westbound lanes. I guess is all these

691
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: columns is that the tragic thing about this is that

692
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: these deaths would have been very easily preventable if the

693
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: City of Paris would just put a guardrail on either

694
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: side of This particular tunnel is the only tunnel that

695
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have them. Every other tunnel does. It still doesn't.

696
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: And apparently a lot of people have died in that tunnel,

697
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: not just Princess die. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, wow, he so

698
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: easily distracted. Yeah, I mean, we got so much material

699
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: to go over. The car hit one of the support means.

700
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: It was the thirteenth support meme, as I said, and

701
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: it caused the car to spin like kind of backward

702
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it ran into it and then

703
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: the momentum of the back kind of kept going sun out,

704
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: so the car is now facing backwards that it kept

705
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: going and came to crash on the left side of

706
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: the car up against the wall of the underpass tunnel rightly.

707
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: It was the driver's side. So Diane Company not only

708
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: had this this big impact on the front that was deadly,

709
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: but then they got long around on the inside and

710
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: then they're getting heads beaten against you know. And just

711
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: to try to visualize this a little bit for folks

712
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: to put into words and maybe help because it was confusing.

713
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: Every description I read made it confusing. Is if you're

714
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: in the States. You're driving on the right hand side

715
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: of the road and you have a left hand lane

716
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: next to you, and those are both the same direction

717
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: of travel. Car on the left hand lane hits something

718
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: and it does a one eighty. So this is to me,

719
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: it's a very simple way to describe it. Mean, you

720
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: hit the car on the left hand lane, hit something

721
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: head on, does a hundred eighty degree spin, and then

722
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: continues to skid backwards so that it is now facing

723
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: was originally traffic moving in the same direction is now

724
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: oncoming traffic. The impression I had actually was that it

725
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: attempted to do a three sixty but right. And that's

726
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: why I'm calling it a one eight, because it's spun

727
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: because of that impact. It bounced from what was the

728
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: left lane, the left edge of the left lane, to

729
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: the right edge of the right lane, and it's now

730
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: facing the opposite Yes, and now it's facing the direction

731
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: it came from. Honestly, just look up pictures. Yeah. One

732
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: reason to spun is that it didn't hit dead on step.

733
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: No hit on the driver's side. And that's the only

734
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: reason the guy you survive survived is if that thing

735
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: it hits square on. Yeah, there would have been no

736
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: survivors for any amount of time. Well, there would have

737
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: been if they had all been wearing their seat pills.

738
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: Based on the situation, none of them would now. Yeah,

739
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: but again I've I've drawn a soft track. I apologize.

740
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: So the photographers paparazzi that had been following the car,

741
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: they were a bit behind because they weren't driving as

742
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: fast as on recause they couldn't. Because they couldn't they

743
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: were they were, they were pretty much all on motorcycles,

744
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. But when they arrived, many of them

745
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: ran to the crash to help victims, some who are

746
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: truly just human garbage checks did not and decided that

747
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: they would just take some pictures of the accident in

748
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: defense of those guys. So, I mean, there's only so

749
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: many people who can reach in there and take people's

750
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: poulses and stuff like that, so you might as well

751
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: be taking pictures. I guess. I don't think that's I

752
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: think that you know, that was one of the reasons

753
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: that this was such a huge scandal, as because there

754
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: was such a huge capitalization on a giant tragedy. If

755
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: you're the first person on a scene like this, The

756
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: fact that you're like, well, I can't help, so I

757
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: may as well make a whole buttload of money. Just

758
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: makes me think that you are one of the worst

759
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of human beings. Yeah, anyways, but some of them

760
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: actually did administer first aid. Yeah, some of them did

761
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: try to help. Try. Both men on the left side

762
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: of the car, which was driver on re Paul and

763
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: then the real ps rear passenger Doughty fa Ed were

764
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: dead I think pretty much on impact on the impact

765
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: with the poll. Yeah, there's a whole list of their injuries,

766
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: but it's safe to say they were they were super dead.

767
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Responders apparently first responders. Medical responders did apparently try to

768
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: resuscitate Doughty, but I think that that was probably more

769
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: for Diana's sake than anything else. Why why do you

770
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: say that? Because I know Diana didn't die right away,

771
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: but why was it her? Well? So, okay, so one

772
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: of the reasons that you would administer CPR, By and large,

773
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if people know this or not, but

774
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: by and large, CPR does not successfully resuss tate people.

775
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens, very but very rarely does it actually

776
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: happen Nine times out of ten, if a first responder

777
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: is performing that. It's to calm the people who are

778
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: bystanders or loved ones. So if you have a woman

779
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: who is ostensibly in love with a guy, whether or

780
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: not that's true, right cares about this person is probably

781
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: in shock, massive shock, probably has huge injuries. The last

782
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: thing you want her doing is also freaking the crap

783
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: out that why are you not helping? Yes, so I

784
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: see where you're heading. That's my opinion. That's not something

785
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: that you know, people say around, but in my opinion,

786
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: that would be they would be more trying to do

787
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: that just to kind of calm her down a little bit,

788
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: like you no, No, that makes sense. And I've read

789
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: the research on how ineffective cprs in most situations because

790
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: cprs for getting the respiratory process going and getting the

791
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: the pulmonary process going. But most things that people fall

792
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: down dead from are not that. So that doesn't that

793
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: doesn't stimulate anything because those aren't the causes. Well, it

794
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: doesn't restart. It does help circulate until you can restart.

795
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: I got it. Anyways, as Diana, Diana, as I said,

796
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: was reported to have been kneeling in the back seat,

797
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: and reports do differ either she was still in that

798
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: position with her you know, back to the road, or

799
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: sitting in the back seat with her head rested on

800
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: the back of the front passenger seat. So depending on

801
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: what position she had been in the crash, most reports

802
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: are that Diana had no serious outward injuries, which has

803
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: been a big reason for a lot of conspiracy theories,

804
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: especially the more sinister ones. She was conscious, she was

805
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: rumored to have been murmuring, oh my God, and leave

806
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: me alone. One photographer who was trying to help said

807
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: that she was sitting on the seat with her head

808
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: rested on the front of the seat, with blood coming

809
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: out of her nose and ears, and that her feet

810
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: were stuck. That he had tried to help her out

811
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: of the car and under the Yeah, he said that

812
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: he told her that help was on the way, and

813
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: she just blinked and didn't say anything. And as a

814
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: side note, there are photos of her after the accident,

815
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: sitting in a car. Those guys, some of those guys

816
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: did take pictures there. Well, there's there's a one very

817
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: iconic photo of like people kind of standing around her

818
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: and she's just sitting there, totally unaffected, totally fine. From

819
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that I've read, and I'm inclined

820
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: to believe it. That's actually a photo from earlier in

821
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: the night when she was getting into the car thereund

822
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: when they got in the car leaving the hotel. Yeah,

823
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: and if you kind of look closely at that picture,

824
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like the car's trashed really, and I

825
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: it's really it's a super zoom in. There are photos

826
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: that are probably her of you can kind of just

827
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: see the top of her head and like the car

828
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: super trashed and that that I'm i'mclined to believe that

829
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: that's her, But I don't think that one picture a

830
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of I've read a couple of things that said

831
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: that's actually picture from early in the night, and I'm

832
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: definitely inclined to believe it. I think you'd be able

833
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: to tell because the car, I mean, if you've seen

834
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: pictures of the car, and I'm sure you guys have,

835
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: and then they cut the top off of the Jaws

836
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: of Life to get people like that car was completely

837
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: blitzed once they were done with it after the accident

838
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: and after the recovery and the pictures that I that

839
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: I do believe it's after the Jaws of Life you

840
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: can see Diana's little blonde head sitting there in the

841
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: seat a little blunted. I mean, that's why. But the

842
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: one that is apparently that people say, you know, look,

843
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: she's not injured at all. It's from earlier in the night.

844
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I totally I'm on board with that. Yeah, Trevor,

845
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: Remember Trevor. He was conscious, but he sustained really serious

846
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: facial injuries because the airbag had deployed. Again, no good

847
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: reports on if he had a seat belt or not.

848
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he probably did. I've heard he was

849
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: the only one who had I've heard that too, but

850
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: I've also heard that he didn't have a seat belt.

851
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell. I think what is important to

852
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: note is he hit his head really hard. And I

853
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: kept asking the question. I actually asked you guys this

854
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: question just right before we started recording. I was like, oh, yeah,

855
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: there was a survivor. How come he can't tell us

856
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: what happened? And it's like, oh, yeah, he hit his

857
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: head really hard. He probably lost his memories from hours, days,

858
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: weeks before. I have known people have been at serious

859
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: accidents and they say they have no memory of it. Yeah, No, memory.

860
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: I've been in car accidents where the airbag went off,

861
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: and I remember the airbag going off, but that's it.

862
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember minutes prior or minutes after, because

863
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: it's just such a wall up to the noggin. Yeah

864
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, I was in a car accident

865
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: recently and I didn't even hit my head and you know,

866
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: the like minute impact. I'm just like, I don't know

867
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: what happened. I'm sorry. So let's talk about the timeline

868
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: of emergency responders. Um, real question. It sets me up

869
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: a little bit, some some red flags here for me.

870
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: The first emergency officials to arrive on the scene were

871
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: two police officers and they arrived around twelve thirty am.

872
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: Two more officers arrived at twelve thirty two am. Doctor

873
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Jean Marc Martino, a specialist in anesthetics and intensive care

874
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: treatment who was the doctor in charge of an ambulance,

875
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: arrived around twelve forty am. The princess was removed from

876
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: the car at one am. Jaws of life take a while.

877
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: You want to safely remove from a car, make sure

878
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: their next well, some people do, and if the car

879
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: is on fire, do that. Otherwise, don't do that you'll get.

880
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: She went into cardiac arrest and following external part cardio

881
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: wulminary resuscitation so CPR, she was resuscitated. I guess she

882
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: was moved to the ambulance at one eighteen am, and

883
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: then the ambulance departed the crash scene at one one

884
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: am and arrived at the hospital at two. The journey

885
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: was it was about a thirty minute minute thirty minute

886
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 1: long drive from the scene to the closest hospital, yeah

887
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: or not, I'm sorry, not the closest hospital, we should clarify.

888
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: There was a hospital that was closer, but it was

889
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: a very small hospital, and the doctor in the ambulance decided,

890
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to move her. If we take her

891
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: to this one, we may as well just take her

892
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: straight to this other one that's way more equipped to

893
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: deal with all the injuries she's dealing with and not

894
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: have to, you know, get her kind of stable and

895
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: then move her. Well. And one thing I want to

896
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: address is a lot of people freak out about this timeline.

897
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: Why did it take so long to get her into

898
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: the ambulance, Why did it take so long for the

899
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: ambulance to leave, and what they don't think about is

900
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: the fact that she went into cardiac arrest and they

901
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: needed to stabilize her. And a moving vehicle is a

902
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: vibrating object with it stops and starts, which is going

903
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: to have an impact on the health of somebody's whose

904
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: heart rate is unstable already. So that's one of the

905
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: reasons that they didn't just as you see in the

906
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: TV shows flip the flash of lights and you know,

907
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: gun on the gas pedal and rock it down the road.

908
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: They couldn't do that. Yeah, that does make a little

909
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: more difficult, it does. It is you know, that's it

910
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: seems like a long time. I think, you know, half

911
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: of me wants to say, that's a long twenty minutes

912
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: in between all those things, that's a long time. The

913
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: other part of me that's you know, first aid trained

914
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: and things like that, wants to say, no, that's totally reasonable.

915
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: So I, you know, I'm on the fence on that one. Yeah, no,

916
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: I I totally I side with the doctors and medical

917
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: professionals and this one because you don't just go bouncing

918
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: people around just gone through all that. If these guys

919
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: really wanted to like kill her by slow boating, the

920
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: whole process of getting into the the hospital. You don't

921
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: really need to do that. Get Russia to the hospitals,

922
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: which which looks better, and then later on you smother

923
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: her with a pillow. It's not yeah, or Russia to

924
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: the hospital, knowing that that's going to make things worse,

925
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: going to exacerbate the situation. So once she made it

926
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: to the hospital, it was discovered that her injuries were

927
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: just incredibly severe. Her heart had been displaced to the

928
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: right side of her body, Yeah, which of course tore

929
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: the pulmonary vein and also the heart of her wall. Surprise, surprise,

930
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: the wall of her heart, not the heart of her wall, whichever,

931
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: you know. Extensive attempts were made to resuscitate her, including

932
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: internal heart massage right which I think you can probably

933
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: figure out what that is. Somebody with her hand in

934
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: his chest set it cracked her open squeeze or two.

935
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: But at four am she was pronounced dead. At two

936
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: pm the next day, Prince Charles and Diana's two older

937
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: sisters arrived in Paris to collect her body and took

938
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: it directly back to London. And she this is another

939
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: thing that kind of set some people off. She was

940
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: actually embalmbed before she was taken back to London. There

941
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: was an autopsy done, although I don't think it was

942
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: very curse. It was really cursey. I mean, when somebody's

943
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: heart has been displaced to the other side of their body,

944
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: I think people kind of say, yeah, that probably did it.

945
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: You probably don't need to go in a great depth.

946
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: Why would you pull out every organ away, um and

947
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: check them and run all this point, it's very obvious

948
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: that what happened is everything from the left shifted to

949
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: the right. Yeah. And the other consideration I think, and

950
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: this is probably fair, is that they didn't think that

951
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: her loved ones needed to see her in the state

952
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: that she would have had to have been in had

953
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: they done all that extensive stuff. They kind of just

954
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: did the things they needed to do and sewed her

955
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: up and got you know, got her cleaned up and

956
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: sent her on her way, which I think is fair.

957
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: But that does set a lot of people off, which

958
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: I think is also fair. Yeah, that's that. That raises

959
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: a lot both things. Yeah, there's some weird stuff in

960
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: the crash that we should go back and address real quick.

961
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: One of those things is that there may have been

962
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: and probably was and b I probably was I mean

963
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: sure there was another car involved. The French police issued

964
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: a search warrant for a white Fiat un which is

965
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: it's basically it's a small hatchback. It's a little dinky car. Yeah,

966
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: they weigh nothing. It's like the cheapest hashback car in

967
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: the world, that's what it is. Yeah. Apparently the way

968
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: they figured it was a white you know, is they

969
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: found further off the roadway where the where the Mercedes

970
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: had been before a crash. They found the broken tailed

971
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: from a and the white paint on this and they

972
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: figured out this must have side swap sidewips, you know. Yeah,

973
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: and that may be cause the accident or certainly couldn't

974
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: have helped things. And let's be very clear here, despite

975
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: some of the accusations that have been thrown around that

976
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: we are going to stay later in the show, this

977
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: car has never been found and identified. The driver has

978
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: never been identified. We do not know who was driving

979
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: this car or why or what they were doing. And

980
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: police did look at they looked at thousands of them. Yeah.

981
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: Another weird thing is a bit of reporting about the Bends. Initially,

982
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: it was reported that the car had been doing a

983
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty miles an hour, which is a hundred

984
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: and ninety kilometers per hour UM, really really fast, and

985
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: that the spidometer had jammed in place when the impact

986
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: first took place. Later investigators corrected that and said no, no, no,

987
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: the car was doing like sixty seventy miles an hour,

988
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: and that the spiedometer was digital so it couldn't have

989
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: been jamed in place. But the manufacture of the Mercedes

990
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: Benz actually said that the spiedometer in this model, and

991
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: this is corroborated by all of the literature about these

992
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: these cars, this making model. Yeah, yeah, that the spiedometer

993
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: is actually computer controlled analog and though the car was

994
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: certainly traveling faster than it should have been, the spiedometer

995
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: automatically resets to zero when a crash occurs, which you

996
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: would expect because it hits something and went to zero,

997
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: so it's not moving anymore, so the spidometer is going

998
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: to say zero. Yeah, you're doing zero miles an hour

999
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, But yeah, is a bit of an exaggeration,

1000
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: though I agree. I'm sorry, but I've I've driven at

1001
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: those kind of speeds. It's insane, and it's it's on

1002
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: a flat piece of road, it's fine. I couldn't imagine

1003
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: trying to do that speed on a road that's got

1004
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: curves and humps and underpasses. Like, if you're doing that,

1005
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: that's insane, and I've done it in short bit it's

1006
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: but not anything like a regular surface road. Well on

1007
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: rehad a extensive training on like this is why I

1008
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: think this is why Doughty was like, actually, hey, I

1009
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: know you're off duty, but can you come drive us

1010
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: for a minute. Yeah. He he had well with Mercedes

1011
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: been specifically, he had done several driver training courses for

1012
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: anti kidnapping and anti terrorist situations, which for anybody doesn't know,

1013
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's high speed driver training like what cops

1014
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: do where you're in an urban environment and you're you're

1015
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: on the gas, on the brake, learn how to control

1016
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: the car. And then there's evasion tactics and how to

1017
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: control a vehicle when it gets hit. Yeah, these are

1018
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: the things, and this is specifically in Mercedes Benz vehicles.

1019
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: Is when he got trained in this specific vehicle, not

1020
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: this exact one, but this make and model. Yes, So

1021
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: for as a general statement, most brand the vehicles, all

1022
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: cars in that brand are going to operate essentially the

1023
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: same so if I'm an a Ford Focus and then

1024
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: I jump into the Ford Sedan, which is the next

1025
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: size up, they're going to operate essentially the same and

1026
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of different kind of weight behind you. Yeah,

1027
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: but I think it's worth mentioning. Yeah, the guy should

1028
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: have he would have known what he was doing in

1029
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: in these high speed, possible, unpredictable road conditions. Yeah, do

1030
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: anything else about the crash before we move on the theories?

1031
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: What about the crash? I let me think now, they

1032
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: after the spot where they found the Fiat till they

1033
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: found a hundred and six ft of skid marks veering

1034
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: to the left and in column, and then it's it

1035
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: appears that after the car hit the thirteenth column and

1036
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: sort of half bounced off, swung around, and came to

1037
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: rest up against the outer wall of the tunnel, it

1038
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: appears that the Fiat you know must have driven past

1039
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: him on his left hand side and left the yet,

1040
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: which suggested to me that maybe the guy you know

1041
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: was either felt to be felt he was a fault,

1042
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: or maybe he was drunk or suspended or something something

1043
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: and he just didn't there stick around. And here's well,

1044
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: here's something we haven't talked about this, this whole thing

1045
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: yet that we should probably bring up now. Europe is

1046
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: chuck full of cct cameras. There is no footage of

1047
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: this chunk of the road into that tunnel because the

1048
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: cameras weren't on. Yeah, I think there's multiple reasons. I

1049
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: mean I've heard that they were down for maintenance of her,

1050
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: that they only run during rush hour times. I mean,

1051
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. I never got a clear picture

1052
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: of why they weren't running. Well, there's their their cameras

1053
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: at the at the entrances of this tunnel. But I

1054
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: got this from the the British inquest about this thing,

1055
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: and they were not taped. They were just monitored in

1056
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: an office and the office closed at eleven pm. And

1057
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: so that's why there's no video or anything like that.

1058
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: That's insane to me that if you can, if you

1059
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: can pull recordable footage, why you wouldn't at least pull

1060
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: it and put it put it on a loop so

1061
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: that you could ten hours later go oh we really

1062
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: need the two o'clock this afternoon crash or something like that. Well, yeah,

1063
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean this is not years ago. So and most

1064
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: of the CCTVs that were along the route. We're not

1065
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: even turned towards the road. You know, A lot of

1066
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 1: a lot of their thought made made a huge stink

1067
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: about that. But it turns out they identified I don't

1068
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: know what, maybe ten fourteen cameras along that, but there

1069
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 1: were some that were pointed towards the entry of the underpass,

1070
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: and that's I thought there was at least one or two.

1071
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: Most of the ones that they drove past were actually

1072
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: privately owned, and they were actually directed more towards security,

1073
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: so they were actually pointed at the front, so they

1074
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: weren't actually road cameras. I no, no, I don't think

1075
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: highway cams. I understood this as they were highway cams,

1076
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: so that's why I brought it up. Okay, well, then

1077
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: never mind, I'm completely off base on that one. Yeah.

1078
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: The only other thing I want to mention, just briefly

1079
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: before we get into theories, is that some eyewitnesses reported

1080
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: seeing a bright flash as the car entered the tunnel

1081
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: in our past. Yeah, I say that in an annoyed monitone.

1082
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about in a minute. I'm pretty sure,

1083
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: but or I guess it's we have to mention it.

1084
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: We have to mention and it does into this next theory,

1085
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: which is the first theory. Right, we need to talk

1086
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: about theory number one. The paparazzi. They did well, they

1087
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: were responsible. So let's let's do a little bit of here,

1088
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: or a little bit of info. We've covered some of

1089
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: this briefly, but let me just kind of run into

1090
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: some of this. Is it's interesting. It's obvious why they

1091
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: were int did in her. She's Lady Diana. She is

1092
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: the the ex wife of Prince Charles, who is heir

1093
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: apparent to the throne of England. She's the mother of

1094
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: the future King of England. Correct. And then there's there's thirty.

1095
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: He's his dad. Is this giantly rich man who has

1096
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: his fingers and so many pies. I mean, it makes

1097
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: sense why they would be interested in both of them,

1098
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: though mostly I'm pretty sure they were interested in Diana.

1099
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: In the nineties, people may not know this. I mean,

1100
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: I think people are used to this now, but this

1101
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: was kind of record breaking at the time. Is in

1102
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: the nineties, several photographs of celebrities started selling for tens

1103
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars to tabloids.

1104
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: This became a huge money making industry, and while I

1105
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: personally don't think that it is a profession, it was

1106
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: a job that could make you a very rich individual

1107
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: if you got the right shot. Though, you know, the

1108
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: right shot being a picture of two people in a car. Yeah,

1109
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: if you got the picture of them doing the nasty

1110
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: when they shouldn't have been. That's one making out on

1111
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: the beach or the yacht, sure, yes, but traveling car

1112
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: not so interesting. Yeah, And it said they really really

1113
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: was not all that necessary to drive fast, I mean

1114
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: christ sakes, And unless they were trying to lose them,

1115
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: which they were about to do. I think they were

1116
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: trying to lose them. They didn't want to know where that.

1117
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: They didn't want them to know where the apartment was,

1118
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: because the idea was, they're swarming the rits. Let's get

1119
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: away from the ritz. Let's go to the apartment so

1120
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: that they don't know where we're at. That's the idea.

1121
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about some of the paparazzi, specifically the

1122
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: ones who were chasing them. There were there were there

1123
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: were nine of them who were charged with manslaughter in

1124
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: France based on the accident. Because they were they were

1125
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: deemed to have been in some way responsible for the accident.

1126
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: Those charges were thrown out in two thousand and two,

1127
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: which makes sense when you think about it. I don't

1128
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: think they were there, so yeah, that makes sense. There

1129
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: were three of them who were convicted of invasion of

1130
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: privacy for taking pictures of the couple, and this is

1131
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: so weird. They were fined in two thousand six one

1132
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: euro apiece. I suspect that about what they sold their

1133
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: photos for. I don't, I don't. I really don't understand

1134
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: that you could make any money taking pictures to Diana

1135
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: because everybody was doing it. Yeah, you have to get

1136
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: a really compromising photo. And then the guys that took

1137
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: the photos at the crash site probably could have sold

1138
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: them for a lot of money. But there's a lot

1139
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: of scuffle about that. But let's let's just kind of

1140
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: let's move into the actual theory portion here. So people

1141
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: believe that the paparazzi are responsible for the crash in

1142
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: two different ways, as we've just briefly touched on. The

1143
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: first is that they were responsible because they were chasing

1144
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 1: the couple, because as we talked about, they sent the

1145
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: decoy car out, and then a little bit later, you know,

1146
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: most of the paparazzi chase the decoy car, but not

1147
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: all of them took debait, and some of them figured

1148
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: out that they were still there and they chased the

1149
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: car from the back of the hotel where they actually

1150
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: left from. Of course, then that meant that it's their

1151
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: fault that they were driving so fast and so erratically

1152
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: to try to escape them. I do want to point out,

1153
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: and we we touched on this earlier, is that the

1154
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: paparazzi were on motorcycles a k a. Mopeds like a

1155
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: vestmus so one guy driving, one guy on the back.

1156
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: So two dudes on a Vestment which doesn't have a

1157
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: high speed. It's super maneuverable, so you can get in

1158
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: and out and get your photos and get out, but

1159
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: you cannot keep up with a Mercedes Benz S two eighty.

1160
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: That thing has a V eight engine in it. Yeah,

1161
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: and it was being driven pretty quickly. It's a high

1162
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: power car. It's going to be able to escape them quickly.

1163
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: But the point is, it's it's theorized that if they

1164
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: had just not done their job so well, there's a

1165
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: way to say it, then of course Henri wouldn't have

1166
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: had to drive so fast to try to escape them

1167
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: or evade them that then this wouldn't have happened. So although,

1168
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, I would argue that if I were the

1169
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: lawyer to argue that, you know, hey, these people are

1170
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: trying to my clients, they should have found more creative

1171
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: ways to escape my clients than driving like breakneck SpeI

1172
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 1: the middle of Paris. Yeah, no, that's that's an absolutely

1173
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: valid point. Yeah, I think that these guys just needs

1174
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: to get creative about evading paparazzi. I need to hire me.

1175
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: I would. I would have him figure it out. Well,

1176
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, the easy answer is blacked out windows, but hey,

1177
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: what do I know you can do that. The other

1178
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: version of the theory is that they caused the crash directly.

1179
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: This is kind of an outside theory, but it is

1180
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: one thing. It's one of the theories that Mohammad Alfa

1181
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: had really really gets in bed with one of the hundreds.

1182
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: That guy, what was it like seventy or eighty theories

1183
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: he purported to the Inquisition saying, it's it's some absurd number.

1184
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: It could have been that, it could have been that,

1185
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: it could have been this, it could have been I mean,

1186
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: like it's almost as if he sat down for three

1187
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: months row done every idea that could have been possible,

1188
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: and then submitted those But what he says, or what

1189
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: what the theory is is, and Joe talked about this earlier,

1190
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: is there's the bright flash or it was you okay,

1191
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: thank you. If this theory is right, the bright flash

1192
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: was caused by the flash from a camera. So there

1193
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: is a photographer trying to take a photo and they

1194
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: take a photo and the flash blinds Onnre to the

1195
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: point that he can't see, so that he loses control

1196
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: of the vehicle. People who saw the Mercedes enter the

1197
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: tunnel didn't say that they saw the paparazzi with them,

1198
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: so that makes me think that they had evaded them.

1199
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: So therefore the whole flash things seems a little weird.

1200
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: But we've also talked about the white Fiat that you know.

1201
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: There are theories that say that when the Mercedes was

1202
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: going into the tunnel, there was the Uno and three motorcycles.

1203
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: The first theory is that there's the Mercedes directly in

1204
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: front of and to the right of it is the

1205
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: Fiat trying to slow it down and trying to slow

1206
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: it down, and behind it is the motorcycles, or the

1207
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: UNO is next to the Mercedes and then the motorcycles

1208
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: are behind both vehicles. This theory runs that the UNO

1209
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: was trying to get in front of to slow down

1210
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: the Mercedes so that the photographers on the motorcycles could

1211
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: get their photos, which I can see, but it doesn't

1212
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't work for me, or that the FIAD was

1213
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: trying to get up next to the Mercedes and take

1214
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: a picture. Both of these are saying that in some

1215
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: way somebody with a super bright flash on their camera

1216
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: was getting next to a car and there was interference

1217
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: in that bright flash is what. Then blinds are so

1218
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: that he loses control. But that would take an amazing,

1219
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: an amazing intelligence network to come up with their route

1220
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: ahead of time to position a Fiat ahead of them.

1221
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: I call that blind luck to have been Holy crap,

1222
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: we're on the same route as as Diana and Dotti

1223
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: a Doughtie. Oh my gosh, how could that be? But

1224
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: there's also this and the witness accounts of everything going

1225
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,480
Speaker 1: into the tunnel and out of the tunnel. They're unreliable

1226
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: at best. We've talked about witness states, some conflicts, they're

1227
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: not all the same. Nobody reported. For example, I got

1228
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: I read a number of different accounts that people people

1229
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: who saw the Mercedes go into the tunnel, they were

1230
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: like coming out of the tunnel the other way, for example,

1231
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: And they didn't say anything about a Fiat, a white Fiat. Correct.

1232
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: But I have seen stuff about reports of seeing coming

1233
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: out of that tunnel another black or possibly white Mercedes

1234
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: that did in fact go in with them and speed

1235
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: out of the tunnel without them and disappear into the night,

1236
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: a different kind of Mercedes, a different Mercedes vehicle. So

1237
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: two Mercedes went in, one came out. But the color

1238
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: of that second Mercedes changes from traumatically white to black

1239
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: depending on what you see. So well, if it was black,

1240
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: it could have been a decoy. In Diana and Dotie

1241
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: are still alive, that's probably what it is. Probably with Tupac,

1242
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: there was and I know there was at least one

1243
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: other car ahead of them in the tunnel too, because

1244
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: they also the driver of that car reported the white

1245
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: flash also correct. And I know we're to go into

1246
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: some of that indeed talk, but but yeah, I know.

1247
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's hard because there's so many differing accounts

1248
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: of so many at least three two to three vehicles,

1249
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: not counting the motorcycles. Yeah, that's hard. I'm not sure

1250
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: where I land. I don't know, I don't I don't think.

1251
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: I think the paparazzi are scumbags, but I don't think

1252
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: that per se. It's their fault and that obviously they

1253
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: didn't deliberately do it because they don't want to kill Diana.

1254
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: What a way to kill your paychecks for real. Let's

1255
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 1: move on to our next theory. Yeah, this is this

1256
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: is the man. There's so much on this one. Just

1257
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: so you guys know, prepare you know, take your potty

1258
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: break now if you need to. Joe has written an

1259
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: entire episodes worth of information on this next Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking fast. So the next theory is that

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Speaker 1: the royal family on with m I six and the

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Speaker 1: S A S got together and murdered Die. And what's

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01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: the s I S? Yeah, special says a special air service.

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01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: But what I meant with special service but the special

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01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: airy services, the special special service like in campuses, like

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01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: the whole ball of wax, like in My six at

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Speaker 1: My five. M I five is counterintelligence and then m

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Speaker 1: I six is overseas spying. That kind of thing you

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01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: don't get if you've seen a James Bond movie, you know, yeah, exactly. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the this is the series put forward by Muhammad alf

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: shocking one of the seventy. Yeah, he's put together put

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01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: together quite a bit of cool conspiracy theories here. I

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 1: actually actually have a theory about Alpha Ad, which is

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: that he's really proud of the fact that his his

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01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: son was dating Princess Die and he just wants to

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01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: keep reminding people about it. We can talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about Alfad in a little bit. Yeah, he's an interesting guy,

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01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: he is. So why did they do this? Why did

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: the royal family want to murder because, accoring to the

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01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: Alpha had that I was pregnant with his child. Yeah,

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01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: not not Mohammed's child, and apparently they were going there

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01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: on the break of announcing their engagement. Can can I

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: stop you for a second. Yeah, do you know how

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01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: infuriating tabloids are. There's a baby bomb. No, it's called

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01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 1: a human woman who has a normal belly in a

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01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: one piece bathing suit. But he has an abdomen. But

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01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't It was the tabloids. They were putting this

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01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: out there. Well, no, but the tabloids put put out

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: photos of dies baby bomb and stuff like that. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: my gosh, cut it out. She's just a person. It's

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01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: just been guzzling a lot of beer. It's it's particularly

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01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: frustrating in this point. We haven't actually talked much about this,

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01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: but people may or may not know Diana was severely

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01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: blimic for a good portion of her life, and so

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: that was something she actually struggled with. So it's like

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01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: extra frustrating to know that she had those body issues

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01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: and to hear, you know, the tabloids were like, oh,

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: it's a baby bump for her. Oh, she's gaining some

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01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: healthy weight. Punds of extra weight on she annoying anyway, Well,

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01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: it was the whole, the whole Diana thing was annoying. Frankly,

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01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: I think I think Diana would have considered me her

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01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: her ideal fan because I didn't give it, damn. Yeah.

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01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: And that was so was pregnant. So they were going

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01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: to announcer with Deli's child, and so Princess Prince Philip,

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01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: not Princess Philip. Prince Philip gave the order to rub

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01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: her out because they obviously didn't want to have you know,

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01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,879
Speaker 1: like a Muslim child in the Royal family Islam Islamic

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01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: Islamic child. But uh and the services apparently used the plan.

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01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: It was similar to one surprisingly that have been cooked

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01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: up in to assassinate slow the Sloba Don Wilson, which

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01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 1: involved a bright flash with a bright flash. You guys,

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01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: bright flash with a bright flash, and bright flashes can

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01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: do a lot. Actually you actually can. With the bright

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: enough flash, you can actually stun people. Actually caused him

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01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: a conk out temporarily. You can disorient them hugely. But anyway,

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01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: let's go ahead with this. Alpa had said this is Mohammed,

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01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: that Andree Paul was working for an intelligence service and

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01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: that he was somehow instrumental in the plan to kill

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01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: Diane Doe, which is funny because you know he killed himself.

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01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: Well you know, he employed he was his deputy head

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: of security of course at the at the time. At

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01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: the time, he didn't know this. He found this out

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 1: later until it was sourced. Somehow he was part of

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01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: this plan knowingly or not. He might have just been

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: a catspaw. He also said that James Andenson, who was

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01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: a photographer, was also working for an intelligence service and

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01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: that he was present at the accident. He was president

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: of the president of the accident, wasn't he photographer James Anderson. No,

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01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: But of course this is just, this is just the

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: accusation is a Muhammad fiad uh It says was working

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01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 1: for an intelligence service. He was at the accident. Onsen

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01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: he claimed owned a white Fiat Uno which he had

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01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: used somehow to cause the accident. His Fiat Uno was

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01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: later examined by the French police and found to be

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01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: the one that left white paint on the Mercedes. On

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01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: the endor of the Mercedes. Onison died in May two

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01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: thousand suspicious circumstances in a car fire, which was ruled

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01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: as a suicide. But if I had said that the

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: unusual circumstances of the fire indicated that he was murdered

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01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: by the security services, although he allowed it, perhaps on

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01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 1: the senor just committed suicide out of guilt over murdering

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: Diane Dote. So yeah, okay, okay, well let's keep rying

1343
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: with this one, because I really I do like this.

1344
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: I like this, but there's red flags for me, are

1345
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: things that I'd like way to see. But I know

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01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to tongue. This is yeah, this is

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01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: something that was extensively investigated. It's not like he just

1348
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: made these accusations and nobody looked at here's the Yeah,

1349
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: there's the inquisition, Operation the inquest. Yeah, what was it,

1350
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: Operation Paget. I think I thought it was wrong. I

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01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: don't know, probably anyways, I don't know what it's onounced, Yeah,

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01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: eight hundred and or something. I think it's eight hundred

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01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: and thirty two pages. I think we read parts of

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01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: it at least. Actually, I gotta tell you, I read

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01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of pages of that and I didn't finish it,

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01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: but always, but I read a lot of it. But

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01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: this was one of the things they investigated in that,

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01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, exactly. They had a whole

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: chapter on the on the whole M I six Royal

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01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: family accusation. There were other accusations that were also kind

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01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: of suspicious. There was a guy in the British embassy

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01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: named Richard Spearman who apparently was supposedly m I six,

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01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: and he showed up in Paris um just like a

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Speaker 1: few days before the accident. Coincidentally speaking, another guy in

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01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: Nicholas Langman, also with M I six, supposedly in the

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Speaker 1: Paris Embassy or rived in Paris, he said, a week

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01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: before the accident, and left a week after. Mohammed had

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01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: said that this is what he said, although some versions

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01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: just say that he actually was actually arrived a couple

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01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: of years earlier, and he was on a four year

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01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: posting and then he was pulled out like a week

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Speaker 1: after the murders, which is like unprecedented because when you

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01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: post somebody to a country, they have to go through

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01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 1: all kinds of training specific to that country. They have

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01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: to they have to go through language training and all

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01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. There's a big investment. So if you

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01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: pull somebody out two years into huge laws, right, Yeah,

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01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: So how how to explain that Nicholas Langman was suddenly

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: jerked back to London just like a week after. So

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01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: that's that you had. Uh. There were also two British

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01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: photographers presence at the Ritz on that night. They both

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01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: were overheard to be speaking English. Nobody had seen them before,

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01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: and the paparazzi all knew each other. Everybody everybody knew

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01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: everybody were strangers. You're always hanging out at the same places,

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01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: you're going to get to know oh yeah, and so

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: these two strangers were hanging out there well, what's that

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: all about. Well, maybe because there's a foreigner. Maybe because

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01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: there's a big crowd and people are saying, hey, Princess

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01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: Dia is here. Now, that's crazy talk, crazy insanity. So

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Speaker 1: almost all these claims originated with a guy named Richard Tomlinson,

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01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 1: who was an m I six officer from apparently to

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01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,839
Speaker 1: nine when he was dismissed under quote acrimonious circumstances unquote.

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01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but apparently, Yeah, it

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01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: was not not a good term to a dishonorable discharge. Yeah.

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01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I didn't like him. Yeah.

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: Thomlinson published a book about his time in a special

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01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: service in two thousand one, which was called The Big Reach.

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01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: In the bookie details and encounter with a co worker.

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01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: Co worker says, one day, hey, take a look at

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01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: this memo. Tell me what you think. The memo outlines

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: based three ways to kill Sloba Don Melosavik we've all

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01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: heard of if you haven't to do a google on them.

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01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: The that one basically was about half half in just

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 1: justifying the assassination of Sloba Don, like you'd have to yeah, exactly,

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01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: And the rest of it was like kind of a

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01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: how to how do we do this? And so there

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01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: was one Yeah, bullet point number one. Yeah, bullet point

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01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: one power point presentation one. The one would be that

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01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: Special Service commando is just assassinate them directly rifle. Yeah.

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 1: Another one option too is that Special Service recruits local

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01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: militiamen to do it, which is kind of a nice

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01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: way to do it. Yeah. And third one was as

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01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: Special Service does it, but instead of using guns, they

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01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: just kill him by causing his limit to crash. And

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01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: the specific plan in this case was by using a

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01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: blinding flash to blind his limo driver, preferably in a tunnel.

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01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,799
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. That's why I was being an idiot

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01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: earlier and thinking that this was a real thing. You know,

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01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: this is a big story. Is sorry to tie together

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01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: a lot of details here, but when Tom was Thomas

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01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: had first heard about the circumstances of dias car crash,

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01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: and he heard about that blinding flash, his memory was

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01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: jolted and he suddenly went back to when he saw

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01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: this memo. Convenient. All these details about this plot were

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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 1: in his book that he published in two thousand one.

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01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: He also talked about how in he was working on

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01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: an operation to recover weapons. And this actually I'm not

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01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: sure if this was in his book or not, but

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01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: this is some information that he passed along to Muhammad

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01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: alf Had. He was working on an operation in recover

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01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: high tech weapons from the former Soviet Union. And by

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01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: the way, this operation was found to have actually existed,

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01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: so it wasn't completely lying about this stuff. Yeah, this

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01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: guy was full of hot air at times, but not

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01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: everything was. But everything was so hard that that's like

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01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: more frustrating to me than anything else, you know, because

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01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: it's like, well, some of what you're saying is true,

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01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: and it makes sense that people try and cover up

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01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: the other stuff that you're saying. So is it true

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01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: or are you making it up? But that's that's the

1441
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: thing of is he really a spy gone rogue and

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01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: been kicked out or is he actually his mission is

1443
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: a plant to do with these other things, to spin

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01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: these other lines. That's that's that's the total deep cover,

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01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: really deep cover, or you just a jerk lost his

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01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: job and his spouting off. Yeah, there's but there's more

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01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: interesting about this, right Oh yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah. This

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01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: guy's not done yeah, oh no, not he's he's put

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01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: out a lot of stuff and almost everything like I

1450
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: said that Mohammed came up with he got from this

1451
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: guy anyway back to that operation in the form of

1452
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: set Union. It was in collaboration with the big time

1453
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: armstealer who maybe that was ad naka Shogi, I don't know,

1454
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: but he turns out he was in frequent contact with

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01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: none other than Mohammed al Fayad, so they yeah, uh,

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01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 1: and this is all by his memory, of course, of

1457
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: reading these files. The informant who reported these contacts had

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01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: a code name, so Tomlinson didn't know what his real

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01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: name was, but he was able to figure out from

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01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: going through the files that it was a French guy

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01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: who was head of security at the Ritz Hotel in Paris.

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01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:23,560
Speaker 1: That the deputy head. No, no, I know, it's not

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01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: I know we're not saying, but they give people code

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01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: names and they hold back a lot of information to

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01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: protect those people. So this guy is just like, oh, dude,

1466
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: totally figured that out. That was just the word jumble.

1467
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: I questioned credibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no there's there's

1468
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 1: really no point and assigning somebody a code name to

1469
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: protect his identity and this thing and then just like

1470
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: leaving information and it obviously indicates where he works and

1471
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: what his job is. What makes it so easy, works

1472
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: on the fifth Street and well and the local insurance company.

1473
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: But nobody will figure that out. The report somewhere between

1474
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: floors five and seven. Yeah, anyway, we'll talk more about that.

1475
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: Tomlinson also heard while he was at Special Service that

1476
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: there was a member of the paparazzi who was with

1477
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: m I six, or at least an informant for m

1478
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: I six, who followed Diana on a regular basis. Yeah, okay.

1479
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: The Brits put together an inquest called Operation Peget, which

1480
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: we mentioned, we mentioned, which was a quart of the

1481
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: inquiry into all of these allegations which this this thing

1482
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: has been beaten. This it got so abused in the media,

1483
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: so many things got called out. Is weird and awkward, odd,

1484
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think we're going to go into any

1485
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: of that logistical parliamentary process just to get people who

1486
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: have read up on this or what certain documentaries, because

1487
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of the documentaries just to try

1488
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: to find some of this stuff. Be warned, we're not

1489
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,759
Speaker 1: going into this operation. Also be warned. I guess people

1490
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: may or may not know. I know, Steve one in

1491
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,560
Speaker 1: knowing this, but many of the documentaries about this have

1492
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 1: been produced by all FAI, A number of them. Yeah,

1493
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: there are some that are independently produced and some that

1494
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: are influenced or monetarily or politically by him. Back to

1495
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: Operation Hope, I'm not mispronouncing that the contact of that

1496
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: Special Service first, and they were given access to the

1497
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: database as another documentation. And of course they didn't let

1498
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: just anybody look at that stuff. They had to have

1499
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: to be people with the appropriate security clearances, which most

1500
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: of the people who are investigating this were though, I

1501
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: mean it was, it was a high level investigation. Yeah,

1502
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 1: in quest. Yeah, so, first of all, the assassination memo.

1503
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: After tom us and left Special Service, he began to

1504
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: write his books. Obviously, specially the Special Service was not

1505
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: really keen on this. They instigated still civil proceedings against

1506
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: him in nineteen to stop him publishing his book. He

1507
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: was ordered ordered to turn over his manuscript. Chapter eight

1508
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: of the manuscript talks about the assassination memo, and in

1509
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: that version of the manuscript it only discussed using a

1510
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: drive by shooting to kill Molosavik. That was a little

1511
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: different that was in ninete October nine seven, after the Desks,

1512
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: Thomason was arrested for official secrets acts offenses. His manuscript

1513
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,600
Speaker 1: was seized again. Chapter eight again had a mention of

1514
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: the memo in there, but no mention of a plan

1515
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: to use blinding lights and tunnels to kill people. And

1516
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: then it made the following year in nineteen Thomlinson first

1517
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:53,480
Speaker 1: met Mohammed al Fayod and then in August night Thomason

1518
01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: changed his story. Yeah, yeah, they're actually yeah, the Rishan

1519
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: Patch actually was able to find that memo. It was

1520
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: written in and it did discuss the possible assassination of

1521
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: a certain Balkan extremist who was not Melissavik, but it

1522
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't actually talk about it was only a justification for

1523
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: it as a as a way to pronounce to prevent

1524
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: genocide and acting cleansing and stuff like that, the sort

1525
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,799
Speaker 1: of thing you want to prevent. Yeah, exactly. Although actually

1526
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote it gotten a little bit of

1527
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 1: trouble for it. But but that was yeah, that was

1528
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 1: about it. He um uh. He talked about the justification

1529
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 1: for doing it, but he didn't actually touch on any

1530
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: methods at all for doing any assassination. So was there

1531
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: any support for a bright flash of light using a

1532
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: bright flash of light? And now Thomlinson claimed that he

1533
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: was showing lights the special strobes that were used by

1534
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:54,560
Speaker 1: a Special Service to to to blind people in helicopters

1535
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, and Special Services says no. And then and

1536
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: they also point out that by the way you can

1537
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: get powerful stroke was just about anywhere. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah,

1538
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Thomlinson apparently was shown this memo and he really and

1539
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: he recognized and realized that was the one. And then

1540
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: he did a lot of this, actually did a lot

1541
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: of like sort of backpedaling showing the memo by operation

1542
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Paget says, says, yeah, this is the one. I must

1543
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: have misremembered that part about the blinding flashing lights that

1544
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: killed people in tunnels, and so he took my recollection. Yeah,

1545
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: and again the blinding white flash. The most people don't

1546
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 1: recall seeing the blinding white flash. It was not that

1547
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: well supported that. One of the one of the witnesses

1548
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: you saw it was a guy named front suad to

1549
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: the Vista, who was in a car with his wife

1550
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: in the underpass ahead of the Mercedes, and he claimed

1551
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: he was seen a white flash in his rear view mirror.

1552
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: His wife did not, Well, passengers don't look at the

1553
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. Yeah, but I also think that, you know,

1554
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: when I'm driving at night, if there's lights, sometimes the

1555
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 1: light will catch the mirror in a weird way and

1556
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: reflect into my eyes and I get really angry. I'm like, a,

1557
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: who's the jerk with the brides on behind me? And

1558
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, it was just they were going

1559
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: over a bump, if the car was losing control and

1560
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: veering weirdly. There's certainly a number of wide arc both

1561
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: horizontally and vertically that the headlights. It would have been

1562
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: really easy for it to just go real quick and

1563
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: it would have flashed into his face, easily explained as headlights. Right.

1564
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: And also there were paparazzi in there, Yeah, paparazzi with

1565
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: flashbulbs going off. Yeah. So that's about it for the

1566
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: white flash. I think a few other people reported it too,

1567
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: but it's still not that conclusive of the thing to

1568
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: begin with. As far as the two suspicious m I

1569
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 1: six guys at the British Embassy in Paris, I remember

1570
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 1: we talked about those minutes ago. Richard Spearman actually did

1571
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 1: arrive in Paris to begin a four year posting on August,

1572
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: so just four days before Diane Do showed up in Paris,

1573
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: but he had been appointed that position in August nine six,

1574
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: which was almost a year before Diane Doe started dating,

1575
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 1: and also in August when he arrived, nobody knew to

1576
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 1: Die and Doughtie were going to be showing up in Paris. Anyway,

1577
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really knew. I don't know that

1578
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: they necessarily planned it, No, I don't think. I don't

1579
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: think there was. There was talk that there were calls

1580
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: to the paparazzi when they were on their yacht, but

1581
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that there were calls to the rest

1582
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: of the world to tell everybody, Hey, this is where

1583
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 1: we're going, instead of hey, we're here, this is where

1584
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: we're at. Yeah, especially if you have private security. Yeah,

1585
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,560
Speaker 1: so obviously you're gonna probably want to keep most of

1586
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 1: your move a secret, just for Wes Hassle factor. Let's

1587
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: remember the other shadowy diplomat who who came and went

1588
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,560
Speaker 1: quickly before and after. His name was Nicholas Langman. He

1589
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: was recalled to London right after the accident he was

1590
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 1: only halfway through his four year posting. But actually he

1591
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: began his posting in Yeah, and he didn't go back

1592
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: to England until August nine after serving well four years, yeah, Augus,

1593
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 1: so he didn't leave the week after he left a

1594
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: year after a huge difference. Yeah, So let's move on

1595
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: to nre Paull. Was that my six informants and uh well,

1596
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: no searches of the Special Service databases and telegram communications

1597
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: found no mention of him. And they had ways when

1598
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: they were going through this stuff, they had fint they

1599
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: had ways to figure out if they're information was being

1600
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: withheld from them. This is again Operation Page. For example,

1601
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 1: the telegrams. The telegrams were all numbered sequentially and the

1602
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: sequence was unbroken, and so that's how they knew that

1603
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: nothing was being withheld. And they found no mention of

1604
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: nrepall except for one telegram dated November eighteenth and ninety seven,

1605
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: which was after his death. Yeah, and that was it,

1606
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: and you would maybe mention that, yeah, yeah you think, yeah,

1607
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: I could see his name coming up after the fact. Yeah.

1608
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: Any sense as as to the files that Thomason found

1609
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: that the head of security the risk was an informant

1610
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: as I mentioned previously, the operation that Thomason described actually

1611
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: did exist and he was actually part of that. But

1612
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: PEGE Operation Page went through the files and found no

1613
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: reference to anybody working at the REDS. Again, I think

1614
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: we've kind of we we already discredited that. Yeah, pretty much.

1615
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: So how about James Anderson, photographer the paparazzi though honestly,

1616
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: should say out of fairness and honestly was not a

1617
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: full time paparazzi, he actually did. He did so, yeah, paparazzo,

1618
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm sorry, I forgive me. But he did

1619
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: like to go down, like you know, in August, he

1620
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: would go down to the south of France and to

1621
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: hang out there because there was money to be made

1622
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,560
Speaker 1: taking pictures of celebrities. Also not a bad place to

1623
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: hang out. No, not at all. Did James Anderson worked

1624
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 1: for the Special Service? Did he? I don't know. Did

1625
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: he use his white fiata Uno to cause the crash?

1626
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Did he have a white Fiato? No, as a matter

1627
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: of fact, he did. Ok. Yeah, it turns out was

1628
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: he murdered by the Special Service? I mean it's suspict us.

1629
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 1: He died in suspicious circumstances. Also, honest and work for

1630
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: a photography HC called CYPA, a Cyper press agency based

1631
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 1: in Paris, which was rated by masked gunmen several weeks

1632
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: after his death, and it took away all of his

1633
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: electronic equipment, laptops and stuff like that, and the French police,

1634
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: to top it off, didn't investigate the rate at all. Yeah,

1635
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: what's up with that? I mean that is a little weird. Yeah, yeah,

1636
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: it's all very suspicious. This is all good again stuff

1637
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 1: put out there by Muhammad fire. We're still I was

1638
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say, wait, we need to warn people.

1639
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 1: Joe is just flipped in back into purported theory section

1640
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: one of one possible theories. This is one thousand and

1641
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: one Arabian Nights. We just jumped into. Yeah, this is

1642
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 1: this is what what's being said. But we'll talk. We'll

1643
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 1: talk about the truth or not of it. Operation feget

1644
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 1: looked into Anderson Onesson excuse me, And at first of

1645
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: all they want to the database it's special service, and

1646
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: found nothing, uh, nothing in the files. He lived on

1647
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: a farm with his kids and his wife in Lina's

1648
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: It looks like it's spelled like lignieris, but it's actually

1649
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: pronounced Lina. Yeah, it's friends, it's out in seventy seven

1650
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: miles south of Paris as the crow flies. He returned

1651
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: from the south of France to the family farm and

1652
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: farm in August, according to his diary and also courting

1653
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: what his wife said, and then on the thirtieth he

1654
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: was at home then went to bed early because he

1655
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 1: had to get up early to catch a flight to

1656
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Corsica for a photography. His wife documented this. She corroborated it.

1657
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: He had to drive up to Orly airport. His road.

1658
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: His drive up was on toll roads, so it was

1659
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: documented because he paid by credit card. He ended the

1660
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: toll road at Burgs near his home, and then exited

1661
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 1: the road at am, about thirty miles from early airport,

1662
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: and then bought a plane ticket to Corsica. Am So

1663
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: conceivably he could have used his his and he was

1664
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: driving his a BMW. He wasn't driving the Yeah, the

1665
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 1: un that was in bad shape. Ack, I was going

1666
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 1: to say the yeah, I heard it was undable. It

1667
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 1: was a garbage car. Yeah, So it could have conceivably

1668
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 1: driven out to Paris Costa, the wreck, driven back down

1669
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: all the way to home, picked up is his beamer

1670
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 1: and then driven back north again. It would make for

1671
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 1: a long night. Also, his wife would have been a

1672
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: really really heavy sleeper lying yeah to not notice that. Yeah. Yeah,

1673
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of emphasis placed on onon sentence

1674
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: in these theories. Yeah, he's easy and easy scapegoat though,

1675
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: especially since he's dead now and he died under what

1676
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 1: people call suspicious circumstances. I don't think are you don't know, No,

1677
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't think doing the research, don't think they're exactly suspicious.

1678
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at on the wiki page,

1679
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: it looks pretty hanky. But I found out the wicked

1680
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 1: pages all wrong. Yeah, big time wrong. Yes, this is

1681
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: why I love Wikipedia, but it's not the end all beyond. Yeah. Alright,

1682
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: So so there's one stick, a stick through the heart

1683
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 1: there of or someone nail in the coffin. That's a

1684
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: better way to put it. One nail in the coffin.

1685
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Is is that you can knock him pretty much pretty

1686
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 1: much document that he was not in Paris that night.

1687
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: I think through the tole World receipt receipts and all

1688
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: that stuff, and his wife's testimony, also all the all

1689
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: the paparazzi at the Ritz don't remember, did not remember

1690
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: seeing him there. Again, it's a clote knit, close knit

1691
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: grow Yeah, you would think they would know. Yeah. Yeah.

1692
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 1: One of the photographers, a guy named Fan Van Sue

1693
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 1: of Paparazzi. It's told Paget quote. If and it should

1694
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: have been working in Paris that night, I would have known.

1695
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:53,520
Speaker 1: He is not the kind of person to go unnoticed,

1696
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 1: apparently and or honest and excuse me. It was a

1697
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: well known photographer. Also, they went to the closed circuit

1698
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: TV footage of the crowd in front of the hotel

1699
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,719
Speaker 1: and he didn't show up. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't there.

1700
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: So but the white you know, the white yeah, the

1701
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: white you know, let's talk about it's like kind of

1702
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: like the white rhino, yeah, or the white buffalo. Yeah,

1703
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: the white you know. There was a guy who was

1704
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 1: in the underpass or the tunnel if you like it,

1705
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 1: not the guy I talked about before we saw there

1706
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: was the blinding white flash and George does on he

1707
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:26,560
Speaker 1: was in a car in the under pass and he

1708
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: was he apparently I don't know if he was passed.

1709
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: I guess he was overtaken by the you know, he

1710
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: was going in the same direction going in the same direction. Yeah,

1711
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 1: the un was swerving and driving slowly and kind of

1712
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 1: driving erratically. What's would make sense if you've just been

1713
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 1: in this near deadly crash and you've just also, um,

1714
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: what's the word hit and run, you've like left the

1715
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: scene him in a serious accident. Yeah, you're you're you're

1716
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: on the run. Yeah, So passing the car, saw the driver.

1717
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 1: The driver was white and male, short brown hair. Uh.

1718
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,719
Speaker 1: And there was a large dog in the rear seat

1719
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 1: maybe and all station or a black lamb. Yeah, but okay,

1720
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: I guess, like in fairness just to like butt in there.

1721
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: The Fiat couldn't have been already involved in the crash,

1722
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: right if these people were reporting this, because then they

1723
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: would have stopped to help with the crash after the crash,

1724
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: after the crash, after the crash, after different these people reported.

1725
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: These people reported seeing this car after the crash, after

1726
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: coming out of the coming out of the They were

1727
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 1: coming up and out of the tunnel on this and

1728
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,879
Speaker 1: they saw this car. And yeah, I know the timeline

1729
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: is a little wonky for me, but okay, it is

1730
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: a little walky. Well that's probably again we've talked about

1731
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: the time the timeline is hard to hang on. Yeah, okay,

1732
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: so large dog in the back, Yeah, large dog in

1733
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: the back. His wife, Sabine, tells a little differently. She says,

1734
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: they were overtaken by the way you know what swerve

1735
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 1: was swerving and nearly hit them, and then it slowed

1736
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: down and then they passed the car. Was actually kind

1737
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: of makes a little bit of sense. They got they

1738
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: got past the rack and they were jetting out of there,

1739
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: and then, you know, and at the meantime, drivers looking

1740
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: in his rear view mirror seeing what's going on behind him,

1741
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: you know which, and then it realizes, oh, I'm going

1742
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: too fast and hits the brakes and slows way down.

1743
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: So I don't want to draw exactly exactly, so he

1744
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: panics and then gets it under control. They so they

1745
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: passed him again and again. She noticed that to her

1746
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:24,720
Speaker 1: description of the driver was a little different. But she

1747
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: also noticed it was a big dog in the back

1748
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 1: with a long nose, and she's thinking maybe a German shepherd.

1749
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 1: But the the Anderson's James, and excuse me, the ands

1750
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: James Anderson did have a dog, a golden lab which

1751
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 1: is probably say the same as what we call it

1752
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,640
Speaker 1: a yellow lab I think so, yeah, yeah, but she

1753
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: never took on assignments where the goldie has longer hair

1754
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: than a yellow but basically the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.

1755
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: So you know, if there was an in the tunnel,

1756
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: and apparently there was, it does not appear to have

1757
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 1: been James Andenson's, you know. Yeah. Well, anyway, as as

1758
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: befit any vehicle that's used in the Hit of the century,

1759
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:06,799
Speaker 1: that yeah, that on this Dandison family owned was traded

1760
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 1: in on another car, rather than being sent to the

1761
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 1: bottom of a river, right, because obviously it was involved. Yeah, obviously. Yeah,

1762
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 1: their son James Anderson Junior needed a car in the

1763
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 1: local Fiat deal. There was offering five thousand francs for

1764
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 1: any Fi trade in any any even even a total

1765
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 1: piece of junk. They would not, yeah, exactly, And so

1766
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 1: they thought, hey, we've got this piece of crap in

1767
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: our barn and our farm yard not worth five thousand francs. Yeah.

1768
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: It barely ran it and they mostly used it to

1769
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 1: hall trash from the house up to the gate of

1770
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: the farm which was about a quarter mile away, and

1771
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 1: that was because it was all thrashed on the inside.

1772
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: Was a terrible car to learn to drive in James,

1773
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: go go go take the trash down the road. But

1774
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,759
Speaker 1: then I don't know how to drive. Well you can't

1775
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: just take that car? Yeah yeah. And then dad years

1776
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:57,639
Speaker 1: later it's like, God, you're such a terrible driver. Well

1777
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: you look what you taught me in trash car. So

1778
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 1: back to Honeston in his farm in his car. The

1779
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: French police somebody dropped a dime on Drain and James Anderson.

1780
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: In February, they got an anonymous tip that James Anderson

1781
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:21,560
Speaker 1: was secretly a Jetty and Joe out. The police in

1782
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: February received an anonymous tip that Anderson was the owner

1783
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: of the owner of a white Fiat you know, which

1784
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 1: is suspicious apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Confronted by police, Anderson was

1785
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: evasive and sneaky and told them that he traded the

1786
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: car in and where he traded it in. Yeah, super sneaky. Yeah,

1787
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 1: look like no time at all. Yeah, it's telling that

1788
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 1: it took him like a fifteen seconds to run the

1789
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 1: truth out of him. Yeah. They attracted to the garaguate

1790
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: to be traded in and notably they hadn't sold it

1791
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: yet because they were about to. Yeah, and they were

1792
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: able to examine it it was in very poor condition,

1793
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,040
Speaker 1: which was confirmed by the Anderson family and also of

1794
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: their neighbors, who confirmed that the car was a piece

1795
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,600
Speaker 1: of crab. They checked out closely the left rear of

1796
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 1: the car and it was mostly pretty much undamaged. So

1797
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: if they had been side swapped by the Mercedes, that

1798
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: would have been a really really light side swipe, enough

1799
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:17,720
Speaker 1: to leave some some paint traces, but not enough to

1800
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: actually crunch anything. And that's a lucky grazing because if anybody,

1801
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: anybody who's been in a vehicle collision, yeah, that is

1802
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,719
Speaker 1: like going at one mile an hour through a parking

1803
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: lot speed to just barely scrape paint. That's oops. I

1804
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: accidentally didn't turn the wheel hard enough when I was parking. Yeah,

1805
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: not a I'm doing seventy and I just went next

1806
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 1: to you. I never knew it. The thing about it

1807
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 1: is is, you know I forgot the left tail light

1808
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: was broken in the tunnel, which I don't. I don't

1809
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: see how you can whisk by somebody and just barely

1810
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 1: touch him, leave a little paint and still break the

1811
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 1: tail light. Diana obvious had a hammer interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1812
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: I had had a well known hatred of fuel. Yeah. Yeah,

1813
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 1: the tail I had been replaced, although it was not

1814
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:20,759
Speaker 1: a new replacement. It hadn't been done recently at all. Also,

1815
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 1: it appeared that that bat fender from from the look

1816
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:25,879
Speaker 1: of it, had had it had not been replaced. Apparently

1817
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:29,639
Speaker 1: there are tell tale marks if you replace an entire

1818
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 1: fender of a car that marks were left in place.

1819
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but yeah, well, most most body

1820
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: panels on older cars were pre painted before they were installed,

1821
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: so it's not old paint. So when you, you know,

1822
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: use the screws and the bolts to lock it in,

1823
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna leave an impression in that new paint. I've

1824
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: actually done this. I pulled the body panel off of

1825
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: a car and the paint you could actually see where

1826
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 1: it had been impressed, the washers and stuff. So that

1827
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: makes total sense to me. Yeah. Yeah, and so that

1828
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:10,560
Speaker 1: it had been repainted but at some point, but scratches

1829
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: and where indicated it. It was repainted a long time

1830
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 1: before August seven, probably rattal can Paigne job. Yeah. And

1831
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 1: according to the the original French police report, the paint

1832
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 1: sample they took from the UNO did not actually correspond

1833
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 1: to the white paint found on the Mercedes, although it's

1834
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: from from Andensen's from ye. Just to clarify, so it

1835
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't exactly a strictly from from there from there

1836
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 1: annalysis indicated it wasn't strictly a factory Okay, it wasn't. Yeah,

1837
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: although another outfit called l GC Forensics review the evidence

1838
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 1: and they came to the conclusion that they can't tell

1839
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 1: one way or another. So they came to the conclusion

1840
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 1: that it was inconclusive exactly exactly dramatic and also ones

1841
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 1: and appeared apparently in TV documentary and behind the wheel

1842
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 1: of his white you know, and I don't know what

1843
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: the point of the I guess you wanted to talk about.

1844
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 1: You talked about how we've gotten so many miles out

1845
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: of yeah, like a propagand but craput like one does

1846
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: with a Subaru these days. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a

1847
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 1: super commercial with three hundred billion miles. Yeah. So the

1848
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, my conclusion is that makes nothing but nothing

1849
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: but good sense to use your own car, registered in

1850
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: your own name, and what you have created in a

1851
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 1: documentary as part of an assassination plot that might be

1852
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:40,680
Speaker 1: sarcasm for the listeners that have been missing our sarcasm.

1853
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: Please understand that was sarcasm. Yeah. I think the reason

1854
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: that Joe is bringing this particular instance up though, is

1855
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 1: because the world went crazy about him later. Oh yeah,

1856
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 1: because he died. Yeah, he did die later on. We'll

1857
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: talking about that in a minute. But you know, there

1858
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 1: were like more than eight million of those things, million

1859
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: of these things made. Yeah, it's yeah Europe, and in

1860
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 1: that time, white cars were pretty popular. Yeah. Also, you know,

1861
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: it was a really tiny car. If you're going to

1862
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 1: going out and and like running a big Mercedes City

1863
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: and off the road, it's probably wouldn't be your first choice. Huh.

1864
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:30,679
Speaker 1: Lightweight vehicle hitting a super heavy vehicle makes no sense muchoever. Yeah,

1865
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 1: and let's not forget the presence of the black dog

1866
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 1: that was in the real and it was seen at

1867
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: the scene, you know, but yeah, yeah, obvious it was

1868
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 1: the dog. It was too And let's not forget the

1869
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 1: stupid general unlikely unlikelihood that that onson could possibly have

1870
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 1: known that they were going to be coming down through

1871
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: that underpass, that tunnel at that particular time. I think

1872
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 1: it's bunk. Yeah, it's all bunk. But there's more more

1873
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: coursers and more suspicious stuff. You died in May two

1874
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 1: thousand in a car fire. The police ruled that it

1875
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 1: was a suicide based on evidence and on statements that

1876
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 1: he had made to various people about how he'd killed

1877
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: himself under certain certain circumstances. Land ghastly had been poured

1878
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 1: into the interior of the car and lit. The fire

1879
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 1: was so intense that his head separated from the rest

1880
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,840
Speaker 1: of his body. Yeah, I know. There was a hole

1881
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:19,640
Speaker 1: in a hole in his skull that appeared to be

1882
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 1: from a bullet. Uh. And most mysteriously of all, the

1883
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:27,520
Speaker 1: car was locked, but the keys were nowhere to be found. Dune.

1884
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,720
Speaker 1: Oh wait, is that the Wikipedia bunk that that, yes,

1885
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 1: that's one of them had actually cited this mysterious death

1886
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 1: as a reason I believe there was a conspiracy to

1887
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 1: kill a diean Dody that he was either murdered to

1888
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 1: shut him up, or he killed himself because he was

1889
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 1: just guilty. As far as the keys not being anywhere

1890
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 1: at evidence, well, I couldn't find any evidence that's true.

1891
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,919
Speaker 1: It is not in the inquest report, and even Muhammad

1892
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: Alphaia didn't say that. So that tells you something, right there.

1893
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: Somebody tack this one on your mystery. Even didn't say

1894
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:05,600
Speaker 1: also keys are metal and drove the car there. Well, no,

1895
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,600
Speaker 1: if I had brought this up, because he drove the

1896
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 1: car to the location and then the keys weren't there,

1897
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: So he's using that as evidence to say, obviously he

1898
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 1: didn't drive himself there and somebody who staged this forgot

1899
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 1: to leave the keys in the car. I was just

1900
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna say keys are metal, and like metal melt and

1901
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 1: fire or whatever or I'm sorry, you know, I know

1902
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna go into this. But if somebody standing outside

1903
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 1: the car and they're having a bad day and they're

1904
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 1: thinking about ending everything, and we've all seen people do this,

1905
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: they get mad and they throw something which happens to

1906
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 1: be the damn car keys and they land in all bush, Yeah,

1907
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 1: then no wonder they're not located. Yeah, let's talk about

1908
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 1: the Actually, it also could be that he was just

1909
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 1: there and he lost his car keys. He got back

1910
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 1: to the car, which is unlocked personally, but he couldn't

1911
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: start the car, so he decided to kill him. So

1912
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: I actually do not believe that's the case, based on

1913
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 1: everything we've got. Yeah, yeah, the whole well that was

1914
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:14,600
Speaker 1: there was a de sercized hole in his skull, but

1915
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't bullet shaped or around or anything like that.

1916
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 1: And actually the medical examiner didn't find any slug, no

1917
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 1: bullet in his in his skull or anywhere in his body,

1918
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 1: and none was found in the car itself either. And

1919
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 1: also there was natural processes by which this could happen.

1920
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: Due to the intense heat, you get pressure build up

1921
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 1: inside the skull and they can Actually I'm guessing the

1922
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 1: hole was in the temple, yeah region. Yeah. Uh. In

1923
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 1: the suicide by emilation I think is a bit unusual. Yeah,

1924
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 1: especially in a car. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know,

1925
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 1: if I were going to kill myself, I would probably

1926
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 1: duct tape a grenade in my head and pull the

1927
01:53:56,600 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 1: pin and then go through dope. Nope, no, we're not

1928
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 1: gonna go there. Okay, but still it's not unheard of.

1929
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean, people do kill themselves in all kinds of

1930
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:12,559
Speaker 1: interesting ways. They do. Yeah, they in the medical examiner

1931
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 1: found those signs of violence. There were no tire tracks

1932
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 1: in the area besides on the since BMW's tire tracks.

1933
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: His credit card was used that afternoon in the gas

1934
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 1: station nearby to buy six hundred and eight franc's worth

1935
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 1: of fuel, which police concluded that was more than was

1936
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,680
Speaker 1: necessary to fill the tank of the car. So it

1937
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 1: looks like he feeled filled up maybe a fuel tank

1938
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 1: or a couple of fuel can or a couple of

1939
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 1: gas cans. A witnesses who had seen him in the

1940
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 1: area said they saw him in the car. They didn't

1941
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 1: see anybody but him in the car. When he left

1942
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 1: him that day, he left behind things that normally he

1943
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: would have taken, like his cell phone, as watch, his wallet,

1944
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 1: is that tchet case? And that same day he posted

1945
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 1: a letter to his employer, Cyper Press, asking that all

1946
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: of the photographic royalties be put in his wife's name. So,

1947
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 1: like a suicide sounds kind of suicidal to me, And

1948
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go in a great detail, but

1949
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 1: fellow photographers and friends and told stories about how he

1950
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 1: had said, good, you know, if something happened to my family,

1951
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 1: I would kill myself by pouring gas all over myself.

1952
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 1: Another one said, you know, I blow myself up in

1953
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 1: my car. So there were a lot of people testified

1954
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 1: that he talked suicide. He talked a lot. This was

1955
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 1: his choice. Yeah, And this is another thing that Wikipedia

1956
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of gets wrong. He says that his wife and

1957
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 1: kids don't believe his death was suicide to this day.

1958
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 1: And then no, that's not true. I mean I read

1959
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: I read in the inquest they at least his wife

1960
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 1: excepts that he killed himself. She seems to believe it.

1961
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 1: And lastly, the last mysterious thing that happened is he

1962
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:47,200
Speaker 1: just you know, the special services was involved, of course,

1963
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 1: as I said, he was affiliated with Cyperpress agency. In Paris.

1964
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 1: Six weeks after the death, there was an armed robbery.

1965
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 1: There were three men in masks who went to the

1966
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 1: offices and stole all the electronic equipment that Onensen kept there. Again,

1967
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 1: as I said, the French police declined to investigate. Yeah, suspicious,

1968
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 1: it's a bit suspicious that that accusation is a little suspicious. Absolutely, yeah,

1969
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 1: no it's not. It's it's totally true. If I didn't investigate,

1970
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 1: you mean as did investigate and arrested three people. So yeah,

1971
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 1: they investigated. These guys committed serial robberies like this. Also

1972
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 1: honestly didn't keep anything in sight except for some archive photographs.

1973
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 1: He didn't leave his laptop or anything else there and

1974
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: so none of that was stolen, all right, Yeah, they

1975
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 1: stole a bunch of other other laptops, but not nothing

1976
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 1: that belonged to on his and and the owner of

1977
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:42,360
Speaker 1: the company told CBS News some years later that he

1978
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,400
Speaker 1: thought the real purpose of the robbery is to find

1979
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 1: compromising photos of a French celebrity who didn't de decline

1980
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 1: the name. I assume it's Johnny Depp. Yeah. Yeah, he

1981
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 1: thinks that that was the main focus and that the

1982
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,840
Speaker 1: rest was just a crime of opportunity. Okay, you go. Well,

1983
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:03,520
Speaker 1: so anyway, that's pretty much it for the Royal family.

1984
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 1: To sum it up, the whole Royal family had a

1985
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 1: murdered theory and all many many aspects. But silly, isn't

1986
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:15,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't quite hold up. Yeah, I don't know. Well,

1987
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:19,680
Speaker 1: that's enough of the I think the Royal family. I think,

1988
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've exonerated the Royal family, or at least

1989
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 1: in special service and m I six and all that stuff.

1990
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 1: The next theory that we're going to go into, which

1991
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 1: is probably the most popular theory, is that Enri Paul

1992
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: was drunk. But when I wrote this out, I put

1993
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: a question mark at the end of that statement because

1994
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a hundred percent sure. Yeah, we're both kind

1995
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 1: of we kind of tag team this one. We really did,

1996
01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to tag team it. But I think

1997
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: we're both on the same page of question mark yes,

1998
01:57:55,840 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 1: because according to all the official documents, he was super

1999
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:09,040
Speaker 1: drunk and prescription drust, right, yeah, and that's why he

2000
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 1: crashed the car. So it's he's completely at fall. Well,

2001
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:16,720
Speaker 1: when you like, when you google the death of Princess Diana,

2002
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 1: the first thing comes up is manslaughter by negligent driving

2003
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 1: on repall that the official verdict is that he murdered them,

2004
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 1: And well, we're going to go into all this. You know,

2005
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: he was sort of he was off duty, as we

2006
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 1: said earlier. You know, it's like I don't really blame

2007
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 1: the guy even if you had been drinking, you know,

2008
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 1: because well but I also I questioned a lot of

2009
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 1: it because of the timeline. But let's let's go into

2010
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:46,120
Speaker 1: some of the official official doctrine here. According to the

2011
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 1: French investigation, the blood samples that were taken from his

2012
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:54,919
Speaker 1: body showed a B a C A blood alcohol content

2013
01:58:55,520 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: of point one seven legal limit in America's like point four,

2014
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 1: isn't it I it's I think, oh eight is kind

2015
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 1: of typical. So that's more than twice three times the limit.

2016
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 1: So I think point six or point oh six is

2017
01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 1: the limit there. So yeah, that's three times the drunk.

2018
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 1: You have either of you known anybody who was pulled

2019
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:33,440
Speaker 1: over and got the your over the limit? Joe, Yeah,

2020
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 1: I have. I've seen friends who left and then got

2021
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 1: pulled over and they were pits drunk, completely stagger fall

2022
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 1: down drunk, and they were at the limits. So this

2023
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 1: is saying that he was I use upper case letters

2024
01:59:54,160 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 1: for this super drong puper abs literally obscenely drunk. I

2025
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:05,240
Speaker 1: have problems with that. Yeah, me too, But let's keep going.

2026
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:07,400
Speaker 1: We'll we'll leave that be for the moment. We'll get

2027
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,520
Speaker 1: into it a minute. The other thing that they find

2028
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 1: when they do his blood screen or blood talks is

2029
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 1: they also find it is an extremely, an unusually high

2030
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 1: amount of carbon monoxide in his blood, which is weird

2031
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:29,040
Speaker 1: and really kind of hard to pin down. Initially attributed

2032
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:32,200
Speaker 1: it to a number of factors. One they said he

2033
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 1: was in an underground tunnel, which is the dumbest thing

2034
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 1: I ever heard, because he died on impact. But a

2035
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: lot of other people say, you know, he lived in

2036
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:44,720
Speaker 1: a densely populated area, it was pollution, right, But that's

2037
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:47,200
Speaker 1: also dumb, because then everybody else who lives in Paris

2038
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:50,080
Speaker 1: should have the same carbon monoxide level in their blood,

2039
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:52,480
Speaker 1: and then it shouldn't be above average. This should be

2040
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 1: a little higher though, because he smokes cigars. He did,

2041
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:58,800
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that, but you know that that

2042
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't put him added unusually high for the average median

2043
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:10,160
Speaker 1: if he lives in an urban setting Paris or and

2044
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 1: so everybody there should have approximately the same level. So

2045
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:19,520
Speaker 1: that's the baseline. He should be a little above, not

2046
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:24,880
Speaker 1: extremely high. Blood work on anybody else in the car, No,

2047
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm not that I ever saw. I mean, he was

2048
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 1: the driver, so he was obviously it'd be interesting to

2049
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:35,040
Speaker 1: see what the carabon monoxide levels were for everybody else

2050
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 1: in the car, would wouldn't it. But that's the problem

2051
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:40,960
Speaker 1: right with Diana being involved. You lose all that blood

2052
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:43,280
Speaker 1: sample and then Doughty I don't know if they what

2053
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 1: they ever did with him, and then it would seem

2054
02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:52,520
Speaker 1: that they should have tested um Trevor, Yeah, but I don't.

2055
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever did. Well. These things are

2056
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:58,080
Speaker 1: never brought forward, of course, but but again these are

2057
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 1: the things that are to be focused to pond this

2058
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:03,680
Speaker 1: is the thing that gets jumped on and everybody says,

2059
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:08,080
Speaker 1: but he had, but well the other people were looked at,

2060
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 1: but those don't get reported, and of course then you

2061
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:14,400
Speaker 1: know the operation peget doesn't doesn't say anything about it

2062
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:17,680
Speaker 1: because it was just so inconsequential. I mean, it's it's

2063
02:02:17,720 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: hard to say. But let's for a minute talk about

2064
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 1: he'd worked for the Fayett family for over ten years,

2065
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:30,520
Speaker 1: so he had been doing private security for them. He

2066
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 1: eventually did such a good job that he got promoted

2067
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:40,320
Speaker 1: to deputy head of security. He also, on the side,

2068
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:43,880
Speaker 1: was a private pilot, so he liked to fly planes.

2069
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,280
Speaker 1: That was one of the things. He kind of had

2070
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:50,040
Speaker 1: this thing of I like to fly do my job,

2071
02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:54,160
Speaker 1: but flying is kind of what I love. And he

2072
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:56,800
Speaker 1: did his job well. Apparently it got tipped handsomely by

2073
02:02:56,840 --> 02:03:00,120
Speaker 1: the super richist state. Yeah, there was size. I ever

2074
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:02,960
Speaker 1: saw anything to said that he was sloppy. No, no,

2075
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 1: it was he wouldn't have been promoted like exactly had

2076
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 1: he actually kind of a sweet job, because these these

2077
02:03:11,720 --> 02:03:15,360
Speaker 1: rich people would like tip him really handsomely to just

2078
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:18,120
Speaker 1: kind of hang out and make sure that paparazzi didn't Yeah,

2079
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So they're they're, they're, they're they're tipping

2080
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 1: him like, you know, five hundred pounds, thousand pounds. Yeah,

2081
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:27,440
Speaker 1: very very set when he died. They've got a lot

2082
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:31,040
Speaker 1: of money in his bank account. Yeah. Like we said,

2083
02:03:31,120 --> 02:03:36,200
Speaker 1: he liked to fly. He had three days prior to

2084
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 1: the accident he had to go take and subsequently he

2085
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:47,000
Speaker 1: passed his private Pilots physical. At the time, it wasn't

2086
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:50,680
Speaker 1: the standard practice like it is now to take blood

2087
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:53,720
Speaker 1: work and to do a but I would call a

2088
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:59,600
Speaker 1: rigorous physical examination of somebody. But he still passed the test.

2089
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 1: Most to it was just question and answer, but he

2090
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:05,960
Speaker 1: still passed it. And there was no there was no

2091
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:10,560
Speaker 1: question from the doctor of well maybe this isn't right,

2092
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:15,560
Speaker 1: so that seems okay. Yeah, And the inquest that we

2093
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:19,040
Speaker 1: talked about, they did an autopsy on Henri's body and

2094
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 1: they explicitly said that Paul's liver was found to be

2095
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 1: normal and that you know, he had been taking these

2096
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:27,560
Speaker 1: pills we're going to talk about in a minute, all

2097
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 1: of the different things that he had been taking. But

2098
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:33,360
Speaker 1: his doctor had said that he didn't or she sorry,

2099
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:37,160
Speaker 1: she didn't think that he had a drinking problem, but

2100
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:40,120
Speaker 1: that he had the personality that he could develop one

2101
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:43,320
Speaker 1: if he became depressed or anything like that. He was

2102
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:45,920
Speaker 1: a bit depressed, it seems. He was a forty something

2103
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 1: year old man, he was, and he had to get

2104
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 1: a bit of a drinking. Yeah, and he had he

2105
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 1: had just gone through a big breakup from a long

2106
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 1: term relationship and you know sort of things that might

2107
02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:01,200
Speaker 1: attribute to that. So she had prescribed some things, but

2108
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:06,040
Speaker 1: she said he didn't drink regularly, and when he did,

2109
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:08,880
Speaker 1: it was never beyond the bounds of a normal kind

2110
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:11,600
Speaker 1: of person relaxing, so like one or two. Well, but

2111
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:16,840
Speaker 1: he also he was worried about it. Well, that's the thing.

2112
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean. You know when you talk to your doctor

2113
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:20,760
Speaker 1: and your doctor says how much do you drink? You know,

2114
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:22,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when a cop asks you don't

2115
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:27,320
Speaker 1: tell him the truth. That's true. But the irony is

2116
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 1: what I signed up for my health insurance this year.

2117
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:31,360
Speaker 1: I had this very same thing. Do I tell him

2118
02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:34,320
Speaker 1: the truth or do I not? Like, how much do

2119
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:38,680
Speaker 1: you reveal? Because you don't want to be pigeonholed? Okay,

2120
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:41,440
Speaker 1: well I have this many beers once a week. Well,

2121
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 1: that means I get pigeonholed, or yeah, that means I've

2122
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,600
Speaker 1: got a booze problem, or or the fact that I

2123
02:05:47,120 --> 02:05:50,400
Speaker 1: do drink anything at all could mean that according to

2124
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:54,800
Speaker 1: this duct. I mean, it's it's a really weird conundrum

2125
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:58,680
Speaker 1: that it can put a guy in, absolutely any person in.

2126
02:05:58,840 --> 02:06:00,960
Speaker 1: But I think the impression that I had is that

2127
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:03,960
Speaker 1: he was He did have that concern of I could

2128
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:06,360
Speaker 1: become an alcoholic, and he knew for his job and

2129
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:09,320
Speaker 1: for his hobbies, right being a pilot, you can't be

2130
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:12,680
Speaker 1: an alcoholic. For a job as a deputyst security for

2131
02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:14,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of rich people, you can't be an alcoholic.

2132
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,960
Speaker 1: So he did. He asked the doctor to prescribe him

2133
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:23,080
Speaker 1: anti alcoholic medication. This is strange, I mean to me,

2134
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 1: if you know, I can't imagine asking something like that

2135
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:28,360
Speaker 1: to be to prescribe for me unless I already have

2136
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:31,240
Speaker 1: a serious drinking problem. Well unless like it was in

2137
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:35,680
Speaker 1: your family. Well no, actually I can. I can understand this.

2138
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:38,120
Speaker 1: So let's say I don't want to go on to

2139
02:06:38,240 --> 02:06:41,960
Speaker 1: a long tangent here, but let's just say that he well,

2140
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 1: we know that he had broken up from a relationship,

2141
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:48,880
Speaker 1: and so you find yourself for two weeks in a row,

2142
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:53,400
Speaker 1: every night going out and getting trash and saying, wait

2143
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:56,160
Speaker 1: a minute, this is not good. And I don't see

2144
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:58,400
Speaker 1: any reason not to do this. But rationally I know

2145
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:00,320
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. I need to go see my

2146
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:03,280
Speaker 1: doctor and get something done about that. And he did.

2147
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:06,160
Speaker 1: He went to his doctor, and his doctor gave him

2148
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:10,480
Speaker 1: prozac to help with his his moods. Yeah, it was.

2149
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:14,839
Speaker 1: And at the same time she gave him the anti

2150
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 1: alcohol medication, by the way, doesn't bar him from drinking alcohol.

2151
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:21,760
Speaker 1: It just makes it taste a little bit. It's yeah,

2152
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:25,879
Speaker 1: it's um god. I can't think of what the common

2153
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 1: version of it would be in the US, but basically

2154
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:32,839
Speaker 1: it makes it so he doesn't like, he doesn't enjoy drinking.

2155
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:35,440
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make him physically ill, but it's not

2156
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:39,240
Speaker 1: going to make it that fun. Well, it turns out

2157
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:43,400
Speaker 1: in his room and the Rits they found the empty

2158
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 1: packets of that medication. Yeah, but didn't it take like

2159
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to kick in. It wasn't like

2160
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:53,320
Speaker 1: a you take it and suddenly booze tape. That's absolutely correct,

2161
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:56,720
Speaker 1: But it indicates to me that they hadn't been in

2162
02:07:56,840 --> 02:08:00,280
Speaker 1: that hotel room very long, and he had a how

2163
02:08:00,360 --> 02:08:03,440
Speaker 1: long have they been at the hotel? The days Diane

2164
02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:09,320
Speaker 1: Dody know that night that night? Okay, So but what's

2165
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:11,400
Speaker 1: that got to do with him in his room though? Well,

2166
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:15,240
Speaker 1: but if in his room there are the empty packets

2167
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:19,760
Speaker 1: from the pills, that means he hadn't been taking them.

2168
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:22,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think that means he started taking it

2169
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:26,680
Speaker 1: that night. He had been taking it prior those pills.

2170
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:29,520
Speaker 1: From what I can tell in the research, they take

2171
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:35,200
Speaker 1: ballpark five days to kick in, and ballpark after the fact,

2172
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:38,160
Speaker 1: after you stopped taking them there in your system for

2173
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:41,760
Speaker 1: about one to two days. All right, We were all

2174
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:46,240
Speaker 1: good with that, Okay. So I say this stuff has

2175
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:49,560
Speaker 1: to be in some way, shape or form in his

2176
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:53,360
Speaker 1: system and that and of course that I understand that

2177
02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:56,240
Speaker 1: means that means dependent on the dosage and how long

2178
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:59,120
Speaker 1: have the dosage has been there, But he's got to

2179
02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:04,560
Speaker 1: be taking it. The British in quest also operations before

2180
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:09,840
Speaker 1: Well we're talking about things that were in his system, right, Yeah,

2181
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:21,680
Speaker 1: he had a drug called albin dazzle. Yeah, yeah, albendazole.

2182
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:27,240
Speaker 1: That sounds more right. I like that way. Uh, it

2183
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:30,760
Speaker 1: was unaccounted for his doctor hadn't prescribed it to him.

2184
02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:33,160
Speaker 1: It was found in a hair sample of his. So

2185
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:35,800
Speaker 1: they tested his hair right as well for his drugs,

2186
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:37,880
Speaker 1: because you do that sometimes, right, Some stuff doesn't show

2187
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:40,680
Speaker 1: up in your blood necessarily. And it's a drug commonly

2188
02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:44,840
Speaker 1: given to homeless people in the United Kingdom, and it

2189
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 1: treats worm infestations like ring warring ring worm and things

2190
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:51,720
Speaker 1: like that. You're laughing, but this is true, and it

2191
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:54,200
Speaker 1: was found in his hair. It's a worm medicine, which

2192
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 1: is just so weird to me. Yeah, that's why I'm

2193
02:09:56,760 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 1: laughing at it, because that's just so odd. It's also

2194
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:03,000
Speaker 1: odd that his doctor and prescribe it. Yeah, if you

2195
02:10:03,080 --> 02:10:04,880
Speaker 1: grind this stuff up and snort it, does it get

2196
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:08,839
Speaker 1: you high? I don't know. I didn't do that. That's unlikely.

2197
02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:12,480
Speaker 1: Does it get the worms high? Probably? The side effects

2198
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:15,960
Speaker 1: are there are some potentially serious side effects on this

2199
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:20,839
Speaker 1: that include bone marrow suppression. That's not really that important.

2200
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:24,480
Speaker 1: What is important is that liver inflammation has been reported,

2201
02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 1: particularly those with liver problems, which we're going to talk about.

2202
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:32,440
Speaker 1: His liver we'll talk about We've talked about a little bit. Yeah,

2203
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:35,839
Speaker 1: and then other more common side effects including a nausea,

2204
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,800
Speaker 1: abdominal pain, and headaches. Not really the sort of thing

2205
02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:42,720
Speaker 1: that would really affect your blood alcohol level, but it

2206
02:10:42,920 --> 02:10:46,200
Speaker 1: might affect your ability to drive a car if you're

2207
02:10:46,240 --> 02:10:49,120
Speaker 1: having severe headaches or abdominal crams or anything like that.

2208
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:53,320
Speaker 1: But also super weird that they found that in his hair.

2209
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 1: Why is he taking the worming medication that his doctor

2210
02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 1: didn't prescribe? You know that. The other thing I think

2211
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,560
Speaker 1: is that it seems that he had a fairly open

2212
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:07,240
Speaker 1: conversation dialogue with his doctor. He was able to say, hey,

2213
02:11:07,320 --> 02:11:12,200
Speaker 1: I want this anti alcoholism medication, right, So on top

2214
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:15,000
Speaker 1: of that for him to like not mention, oh, also

2215
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:18,000
Speaker 1: what have ring worm? That's that's a little weird. It

2216
02:11:18,080 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 1: sends up a little red flag. We're going to talk

2217
02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:22,200
Speaker 1: about why it sends up a little bit more of

2218
02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:24,600
Speaker 1: a red flag because there are some conspiracy theories about

2219
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:29,120
Speaker 1: the blood and hair and body of Henry Paul or

2220
02:11:29,240 --> 02:11:32,240
Speaker 1: on Repaul that was found in the car. This is

2221
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 1: one thing that kind of feeds into that. I think

2222
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:38,480
Speaker 1: said ring worm deal, but why didn't the doctor prescribe?

2223
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:40,440
Speaker 1: It's not like an over the counter medication, it's a

2224
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:43,600
Speaker 1: prescription pill. So it wasn't prescribed to him by the doctor,

2225
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:45,360
Speaker 1: So why didn't he go see his doctor for this?

2226
02:11:46,280 --> 02:11:49,120
Speaker 1: He wants somewhere else anonymously and paid cash because he

2227
02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:51,360
Speaker 1: didn't wanted his medical records. That's all it is, which

2228
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:59,840
Speaker 1: is silly because yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, yeah,

2229
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:04,920
Speaker 1: that was worth mentioning. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, Well let's let's

2230
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:08,600
Speaker 1: go back to the night of the accident with him

2231
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:12,960
Speaker 1: drinking and stuff. Yeah, okay, that stone that he was drinking.

2232
02:12:13,240 --> 02:12:16,240
Speaker 1: It's it's a fact. He was off of work and

2233
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:22,120
Speaker 1: he was drinking. There are eyewitness accounts and receipts eyewitnesses

2234
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:24,720
Speaker 1: as in patrons in the bar and the bartender, and

2235
02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:28,120
Speaker 1: the receipt from the bartender putting him in the hotel bar,

2236
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:32,560
Speaker 1: so we know he was in the hotel. The eyewitnesses

2237
02:12:32,680 --> 02:12:37,920
Speaker 1: were who the bartender and a couple of patrons and

2238
02:12:38,040 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 1: a couple of patrons. But they say that according to

2239
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:45,000
Speaker 1: all of this, he had two recards. And I hope

2240
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that ards it Maybe I don't know why

2241
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:56,040
Speaker 1: I keep thinking that, but okay, whichever, it doesn't matter. Something,

2242
02:12:56,240 --> 02:12:59,120
Speaker 1: well I looked it up. It's it's it's an honest

2243
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:06,040
Speaker 1: base alcohol. It's not super popular at the time, and

2244
02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:10,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of become more popular now. But he had

2245
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:13,320
Speaker 1: two drinks of that, and I looked this booze up.

2246
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:18,440
Speaker 1: You can buy it in what it's a seventies sentiliter bottle,

2247
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:20,880
Speaker 1: which I think equates to like a twenty four ounce

2248
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:24,760
Speaker 1: bottle over the counter. So I can't see him in

2249
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:29,560
Speaker 1: the bar getting a twenty four bottle. So I've got

2250
02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:32,040
Speaker 1: a guess that what he got was a glass. So

2251
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:35,080
Speaker 1: it had to be a mixed drink, which it can't

2252
02:13:35,120 --> 02:13:38,240
Speaker 1: be a big mixed drink because it's it's a full

2253
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:41,720
Speaker 1: bottle of booze that I was looking at a nine. Also, yeah,

2254
02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:44,280
Speaker 1: they're charging him for just you know, the shot of

2255
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:48,360
Speaker 1: that the mixers free, or maybe he's just drinking it

2256
02:13:48,680 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 1: over ice or straight up. It to me is the

2257
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:55,120
Speaker 1: equivalent of going to the bar and getting a shot

2258
02:13:55,200 --> 02:13:59,480
Speaker 1: of whiskey on the rocks. Now, two of those is

2259
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:03,520
Speaker 1: not good, depending on the state of your stomach. Don't

2260
02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:08,040
Speaker 1: forget about But also don't forget this. I don't know

2261
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,040
Speaker 1: if you've ever like had a bar that you go

2262
02:14:10,160 --> 02:14:12,360
Speaker 1: to on a regular basis or not, but often it

2263
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:15,840
Speaker 1: turns out in cases like that, especially like I'm thinking

2264
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:18,560
Speaker 1: that this bar maybe you get what's called the brow deal,

2265
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 1: which is that you don't get charged for all the

2266
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:25,200
Speaker 1: drinks that you take, and that can be possible. And also,

2267
02:14:25,400 --> 02:14:27,880
Speaker 1: by the way, let's not forget the bartender has a

2268
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:32,720
Speaker 1: strong reason to not tell the truth later on because

2269
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be culpable for you driving drunk. Right,

2270
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:40,640
Speaker 1: But we're not going to go there yet, Okay, So

2271
02:14:40,840 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 1: I just want to stick to this to drinking out.

2272
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,360
Speaker 1: His b A c indicated that he had had like

2273
02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 1: ten or twelve of these freaking things. But um, I

2274
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:56,280
Speaker 1: also want to talk about briefly the carbon monoxide. Yeah,

2275
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:59,640
Speaker 1: in his blood, he was he was moving cigars. Well,

2276
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:02,760
Speaker 1: he he was known to smoke cigars in evidently that

2277
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:07,480
Speaker 1: night he had been smoking. He smoke two cigars, which

2278
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:13,120
Speaker 1: for anybody who's ever smoked a cigar, that's a lot

2279
02:15:13,640 --> 02:15:18,000
Speaker 1: of smoking. They were full of cigars anything. Yeah, they're

2280
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:22,480
Speaker 1: like you know, the big, old like giant things. I mean,

2281
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:25,480
Speaker 1: I've tried to smoke a cigar and I think I

2282
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:30,400
Speaker 1: made it like ten minutes and made half progress on

2283
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:34,560
Speaker 1: that stupid thing. Oh no, okay, well, yeah, that's I

2284
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:36,520
Speaker 1: think that made me sick. That's why I stopped. But

2285
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:40,800
Speaker 1: that's a lot to inhale. And this guy is inhaling

2286
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:46,520
Speaker 1: several to two plus cigars that that, to me explains

2287
02:15:47,080 --> 02:15:52,080
Speaker 1: the carbon monoxide. I also then, okay, I'm I'm operating

2288
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:55,520
Speaker 1: on the Let's say what we have is evidence from

2289
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:58,920
Speaker 1: the bar is true. How the hell can his B

2290
02:15:59,080 --> 02:16:04,800
Speaker 1: A C be that high? Can't? Can it can if

2291
02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:08,200
Speaker 1: he's got no food in him? But I started rooting

2292
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:10,360
Speaker 1: around in a couple of things, and I actually found

2293
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:13,600
Speaker 1: some medical studies which believe it or not, exonerating him

2294
02:16:13,600 --> 02:16:18,400
Speaker 1: a little bit or prove that maybe the numbers aren't right. Um,

2295
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:23,480
Speaker 1: there is from a physiological standpoint, there is an interaction

2296
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:28,760
Speaker 1: in the body between alcohol and nicotine. And I'd heard

2297
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:32,480
Speaker 1: this from a doctor years ago that nicotine blocks your

2298
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:36,879
Speaker 1: uptake of alcohol. Turns out there's a couple of scientists

2299
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:40,119
Speaker 1: who did a study and they took three control control

2300
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:43,320
Speaker 1: groups of rats. What they did is they injected the

2301
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:46,720
Speaker 1: same amount of alcohol into all of them, and then

2302
02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:49,680
Speaker 1: group A got a low dose, Group BE got a

2303
02:16:49,800 --> 02:16:53,520
Speaker 1: high dose or medium does and groups C got the

2304
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:57,879
Speaker 1: high dose of nicotine. And go figure the group they

2305
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:02,959
Speaker 1: got the high dose of nicotine had a lower blood

2306
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:09,160
Speaker 1: alcohol content peak number because the nicotine was blocking some

2307
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:13,199
Speaker 1: of the receptors in the body that pulling the booze.

2308
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:18,320
Speaker 1: So if this guy is huffing cigars all night long,

2309
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:21,800
Speaker 1: it stands to reason based on this study. And I

2310
02:17:21,879 --> 02:17:26,920
Speaker 1: understand this is a study, it's not concrete proof, but

2311
02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:30,120
Speaker 1: I've seen supporting studies of this and just anecdotal evidence.

2312
02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:34,200
Speaker 1: But if this guy is sucking on a cigar all

2313
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,640
Speaker 1: night long, and he's had two drinks or two shots,

2314
02:17:38,320 --> 02:17:42,760
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be nearly as drunk as the guy next

2315
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 1: to him who's had the equal exact same amount of

2316
02:17:45,800 --> 02:17:49,960
Speaker 1: food and day and number of shots, because the nicotine

2317
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:55,959
Speaker 1: stops the upticks. But highly weird, but it turns out true.

2318
02:17:56,879 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 1: But let's let's finish with my last thing that really

2319
02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:08,640
Speaker 1: really makes me question if he was total guano house drunk. Okay,

2320
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 1: if you watch the footage of him in the hotel

2321
02:18:12,879 --> 02:18:19,320
Speaker 1: lobby and you watch him outside, he's standing around, he's fine,

2322
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:23,640
Speaker 1: he sees Diane Dody, he walks him outside, he holds

2323
02:18:23,720 --> 02:18:29,840
Speaker 1: the door, he waves to somebody suspicious, suspiciously, and then

2324
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:32,360
Speaker 1: he walks to the car and he opens the doors

2325
02:18:32,400 --> 02:18:38,600
Speaker 1: and gets in. Nowhere in that crappy footage does he

2326
02:18:38,879 --> 02:18:43,920
Speaker 1: suddenly go and tip over drunk. Yeah, he doesn't stumble

2327
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:49,440
Speaker 1: at all. Nothing about his behavior indicates that he is

2328
02:18:49,640 --> 02:18:53,440
Speaker 1: completely in the bag but can put away a lot

2329
02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:57,360
Speaker 1: of this is and still maintaining. But those people tend

2330
02:18:57,520 --> 02:19:03,080
Speaker 1: to have signs in physiologically, like in their liver that

2331
02:19:03,160 --> 02:19:07,959
Speaker 1: we talked about that would show that, yeah, you can

2332
02:19:08,360 --> 02:19:13,720
Speaker 1: maintain the face, but your body is paying the price.

2333
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:17,560
Speaker 1: And he doesn't seem to have had that. Well, you know,

2334
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a while to really start damaging

2335
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:23,840
Speaker 1: your liver, so but it also takes a while to

2336
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:27,760
Speaker 1: learn to operate that way. I mean, I'm sorry, how

2337
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:30,600
Speaker 1: many of you have known drunks. And for a while

2338
02:19:30,879 --> 02:19:33,440
Speaker 1: the drunks you don't know they're drunks because they're really

2339
02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:37,520
Speaker 1: good at operating like they're sober. And then suddenly there

2340
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:39,920
Speaker 1: comes to the point where they take a beer and

2341
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:45,800
Speaker 1: they go because they're just so hosebagged immediately that they're done,

2342
02:19:46,800 --> 02:19:50,920
Speaker 1: and it's a it's not a gradual progression, but physiologically

2343
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:55,960
Speaker 1: the signs are super obvious. So none of that showed up. Yeah,

2344
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a little mysterious to me. I

2345
02:19:57,879 --> 02:20:01,520
Speaker 1: agree that. I think that it's easily explainable that he

2346
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:05,440
Speaker 1: could have had the higher blood alcohol content and maybe

2347
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:08,480
Speaker 1: he drank outside the bar he went back to his room. Yes,

2348
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:11,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to disagree with that at all.

2349
02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:14,400
Speaker 1: You still would expect there to be slurring, which apparently

2350
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:16,760
Speaker 1: nobody noticed, and staggering, a little bit of staggering at

2351
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:20,880
Speaker 1: that blood alcoholic content. And and for our friends who

2352
02:20:20,959 --> 02:20:25,160
Speaker 1: were going to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon, because I've

2353
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:29,240
Speaker 1: seen this and say, well, he's that the blood was

2354
02:20:29,879 --> 02:20:36,640
Speaker 1: switched out or accidentally confused with somebody else's blood. In

2355
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:41,240
Speaker 1: the lab, that blood was sampled multiple times, and every

2356
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 1: time he came back with the same results. And to

2357
02:20:45,400 --> 02:20:50,640
Speaker 1: accommodate this screaming and hand waving of it's not his blood,

2358
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:54,400
Speaker 1: they did a DNA test on it. And it's a wait,

2359
02:20:54,440 --> 02:20:56,080
Speaker 1: I gotta look at I gotta look at this number

2360
02:20:56,080 --> 02:21:00,680
Speaker 1: because there's so many digits. It's a nine nine nine

2361
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:08,800
Speaker 1: nine nine seven match to his mother, which so it's

2362
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:13,320
Speaker 1: just his mom's blood. I say it's his blood. Although

2363
02:21:13,959 --> 02:21:16,000
Speaker 1: if I want to get in bed with the well

2364
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:21,320
Speaker 1: it's the conspiracy. Something's going on. Okay, he went out,

2365
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:24,720
Speaker 1: he had way too much to drink, he passed out,

2366
02:21:24,920 --> 02:21:27,720
Speaker 1: and somebody took a vial of his blood. I don't

2367
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:30,520
Speaker 1: say that's what happened. But if we're going to fall

2368
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:35,360
Speaker 1: into that camp, that's the next logical step after you

2369
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:38,240
Speaker 1: find out it's a genetic match. That's a pretty sust

2370
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:42,440
Speaker 1: just amazing a case of planning there too. Well, that's

2371
02:21:42,480 --> 02:21:47,480
Speaker 1: why in the tunnel. Yeah, that falls back into the

2372
02:21:47,879 --> 02:21:53,120
Speaker 1: m I six involvement, which we've already kind of blasted apart. Yeah, yeah,

2373
02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:55,039
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that I do think though,

2374
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:59,240
Speaker 1: that there's there is the one can I say there's

2375
02:21:59,240 --> 02:22:02,120
Speaker 1: a compromise but asie, which is that he might not

2376
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 1: have been falling down drunk, but in the situation that

2377
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:07,520
Speaker 1: they were in, they were in a dangerous tunnel that

2378
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:09,320
Speaker 1: had these nasty columns in the middle that you could

2379
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:12,480
Speaker 1: pile into. He lost control, which he can even do sober,

2380
02:22:13,240 --> 02:22:16,360
Speaker 1: and his reflexes were a little dulled by alcohol, and boom,

2381
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:21,279
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, big time wrap. I mean, obviously

2382
02:22:21,440 --> 02:22:24,400
Speaker 1: was not sober. I'm not saying he was so, but

2383
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm amazed that he was three times over

2384
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:32,360
Speaker 1: the limit. Yeah, because Joe, we've known the same people

2385
02:22:32,440 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 1: who have walked out of the bar and fallen on

2386
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:39,360
Speaker 1: their face drunk, and it's like, whoo, holy hell, how

2387
02:22:39,400 --> 02:22:43,160
Speaker 1: did you drink that much that fast. It's you know,

2388
02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:47,880
Speaker 1: from a physiological standpoint that to me, I mean the

2389
02:22:47,959 --> 02:22:51,720
Speaker 1: people I'm thinking of, that is a long term problem.

2390
02:22:53,400 --> 02:22:56,959
Speaker 1: He goes ready for the next final. Oh, let's talking

2391
02:22:58,040 --> 02:23:01,360
Speaker 1: very fund absolutely, let's have it. And this one is

2392
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:04,800
Speaker 1: pretty home grown. And I think I might be the

2393
02:23:04,840 --> 02:23:08,000
Speaker 1: only one in this room who likes this theory at all.

2394
02:23:08,400 --> 02:23:11,680
Speaker 1: We'll go down in at least. Yeah, this theory I

2395
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:14,160
Speaker 1: started to think about. You know, we've been researching this

2396
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:18,840
Speaker 1: episode for a number of weeks now, but last week

2397
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:23,840
Speaker 1: we last week we talked about sneek haff Phillips and uh,

2398
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:28,200
Speaker 1: Steve brought forward the theory that maybe her husband did it,

2399
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:33,120
Speaker 1: and that got me thinking, what about Mohammed Alfad Because

2400
02:23:33,240 --> 02:23:36,440
Speaker 1: he's the only one making all of the claims hundred

2401
02:23:36,520 --> 02:23:42,400
Speaker 1: and seventies some odd claims, right, So either you have

2402
02:23:42,560 --> 02:23:45,560
Speaker 1: somebody who's proud of the fact that his oldest son

2403
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:49,080
Speaker 1: was dating Princess Diana, or you have somebody who was

2404
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:54,360
Speaker 1: trying desperately to shine the light literally anywhere but himself.

2405
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:59,560
Speaker 1: So he was ashamed essentially, maybe not a shamed, maybe

2406
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:02,840
Speaker 1: trying to over something up. Okay, okay, okay, And so

2407
02:24:04,520 --> 02:24:08,760
Speaker 1: it's possible, right Muhammad Alpha adds history is a bit weird.

2408
02:24:08,840 --> 02:24:14,280
Speaker 1: We mentioned that he's close with an arms tailer in Dubai. Uh.

2409
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:20,280
Speaker 1: He's a very ambitious businessman. He was the biggest person

2410
02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:25,320
Speaker 1: who was involved with the cash for questions scandal, which

2411
02:24:25,320 --> 02:24:27,320
Speaker 1: you're going to have to google if you're like really

2412
02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:30,360
Speaker 1: really interested. But the cliff notes quick version is that

2413
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:33,279
Speaker 1: alphay Ad bribed through a third party, lots of members

2414
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:37,120
Speaker 1: of Parliament to ask parliamentary questions, which are apparently like

2415
02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:40,720
Speaker 1: a huge deal. Uh. And it was like a pretty

2416
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:44,680
Speaker 1: huge scandal that broke in Britain. One of all fa

2417
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:47,600
Speaker 1: Ads claims for one of you know, one of the

2418
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:50,600
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy someone claims, was that he didn't think

2419
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:54,200
Speaker 1: that anybody wanted to see Diana dead, but instead that

2420
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:57,280
Speaker 1: she died after a plan to frighten her had gone wrong,

2421
02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:00,840
Speaker 1: a plan to scare her into breaking up with Doughty.

2422
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:03,560
Speaker 1: So they put on like white bed sheets and pretended

2423
02:25:03,560 --> 02:25:06,600
Speaker 1: to be No. I think that the fear was, you know,

2424
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:09,199
Speaker 1: get like, let's have her be in a car accident

2425
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:12,560
Speaker 1: and she would think, oh my gosh, something's gone wrong.

2426
02:25:12,760 --> 02:25:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand necessarily. First thing, when

2427
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I get a near miss, I think I gotta break

2428
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:23,000
Speaker 1: up with her. Yeah, is that the reason? But I

2429
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:25,400
Speaker 1: guess we'll put a little bit of perspective on this.

2430
02:25:25,560 --> 02:25:28,640
Speaker 1: We've kind of skirted around the issue. But Diana was

2431
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:30,720
Speaker 1: a member of the Church of England and Doughty was

2432
02:25:30,959 --> 02:25:35,119
Speaker 1: and um he was part of the Islamic religion. Diana

2433
02:25:35,240 --> 02:25:37,520
Speaker 1: was kind of a strong independent woman, though she was

2434
02:25:37,879 --> 02:25:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe not the smartest of the women. And she did

2435
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:44,000
Speaker 1: have two sons, and one of which was going to

2436
02:25:44,120 --> 02:25:48,840
Speaker 1: eventually be the heir to the throne. He was in

2437
02:25:50,640 --> 02:25:54,480
Speaker 1: one more than the other. Yes they are. Doughty was

2438
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,360
Speaker 1: off I Had's firstborn son, so he would have been

2439
02:25:57,480 --> 02:26:00,960
Speaker 1: kind of the heir to his fortune. Even if Diana

2440
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:04,880
Speaker 1: wasn't pregnant, the idea of her raising Doughty's potential children

2441
02:26:04,959 --> 02:26:08,040
Speaker 1: could have been upsetting to all fad for whatever reason.

2442
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:10,600
Speaker 1: The flip side of do you want to get into

2443
02:26:10,600 --> 02:26:12,880
Speaker 1: the flip side of that. Okay, so this is this

2444
02:26:13,080 --> 02:26:15,160
Speaker 1: is one of the documentaries that I watched it. I'm

2445
02:26:15,400 --> 02:26:21,080
Speaker 1: pretty sure was funded by al Fai. I looked through

2446
02:26:21,160 --> 02:26:24,800
Speaker 1: all the credits and very conveniently, I didn't find his day.

2447
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:29,560
Speaker 1: But it really seems like all of the internal interviews. Okay,

2448
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:34,800
Speaker 1: short version is the opposite is true. Diana has two

2449
02:26:34,879 --> 02:26:36,920
Speaker 1: sons that are part of the Church of England and

2450
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:42,040
Speaker 1: in line for the throne of Britain. So what a

2451
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:47,119
Speaker 1: terrible thing if suddenly they have a half sibling who

2452
02:26:47,320 --> 02:26:52,120
Speaker 1: is Islama and could potentially have an influence on them. Yeah,

2453
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:55,440
Speaker 1: and I don't think, you know, to be fair, none

2454
02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:58,000
Speaker 1: of us are saying that. No, I think they're just

2455
02:26:58,120 --> 02:27:01,040
Speaker 1: I think that both of those are ludicrous. I agree. Yeah.

2456
02:27:01,959 --> 02:27:06,720
Speaker 1: So here's a fun, fun fact about Doughty Head that

2457
02:27:06,879 --> 02:27:09,560
Speaker 1: I know I mentioned to you guys before recording, and

2458
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:12,400
Speaker 1: both of the shock on both of your faces was awesome.

2459
02:27:12,760 --> 02:27:15,680
Speaker 1: Doughty he was actually engaged already when he was dating Diana.

2460
02:27:16,560 --> 02:27:21,040
Speaker 1: He did we We didn't mention that, did we. We didn't. Yeah,

2461
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:26,080
Speaker 1: he was to an American model named Kelly Fisher. He

2462
02:27:26,280 --> 02:27:29,320
Speaker 1: had in fact purchased a house for them in Malibu

2463
02:27:29,400 --> 02:27:33,240
Speaker 1: and proposed like a couple months before he started dating Diana.

2464
02:27:33,640 --> 02:27:37,640
Speaker 1: He denied that he was dating Diana to Fisher over

2465
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:40,720
Speaker 1: the phone. She actually has recordings of this because she

2466
02:27:40,920 --> 02:27:43,480
Speaker 1: felt really jilted and she was going to sue him,

2467
02:27:44,320 --> 02:27:46,840
Speaker 1: so she called him to confront him about it and

2468
02:27:47,000 --> 02:27:51,120
Speaker 1: recorded the phone conversation, and on it, he vehemently was like, no,

2469
02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:53,400
Speaker 1: we're not dating, We're just friends. Were not dating at all,

2470
02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:56,039
Speaker 1: which is what you would say to your girlfriend, right

2471
02:27:56,120 --> 02:27:58,359
Speaker 1: if you if she found out about your other girlfriend.

2472
02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:04,080
Speaker 1: That also explains the re the ring that he everything

2473
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:08,039
Speaker 1: says dot he went to the ring that the jewelry

2474
02:28:08,200 --> 02:28:10,960
Speaker 1: store and he was getting this ring for Diana to

2475
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:13,640
Speaker 1: propose there and set up their engagement. I think it

2476
02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:16,160
Speaker 1: wasn't for Diana. I don't think it was for Diana.

2477
02:28:16,959 --> 02:28:19,760
Speaker 1: I think it was for her. Yeah, for Fissure. Yeah,

2478
02:28:20,120 --> 02:28:27,200
Speaker 1: because it was a diamond encrusted, freaking huge, obscene ring.

2479
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:32,199
Speaker 1: Makes so much sense that, oh, well, we're engaged in honey,

2480
02:28:32,879 --> 02:28:35,720
Speaker 1: just got back from this trip for France and lookye

2481
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:42,280
Speaker 1: here here's another thing. Look about me guarding your favor. Yeah, anyway,

2482
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:44,800
Speaker 1: that's a bit of a side tangent. But I guess

2483
02:28:44,879 --> 02:28:48,160
Speaker 1: the point is is that al Fayad certainly had the

2484
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:51,720
Speaker 1: means to orchestrate this. He knew where they were going.

2485
02:28:51,879 --> 02:28:54,360
Speaker 1: He employed the man who crashed the car. He could

2486
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:58,600
Speaker 1: have easily dosed on Re with something causing him to

2487
02:28:58,760 --> 02:29:03,120
Speaker 1: be more inebriated than he was. Now that necessary he

2488
02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:07,000
Speaker 1: wants to get killed, well in that in that instance, right,

2489
02:29:07,240 --> 02:29:11,920
Speaker 1: he wants to scare them. Well, it's not intentionally killing them,

2490
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:15,440
Speaker 1: but let's scare the holy living bleep out of them.

2491
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:18,880
Speaker 1: He could Diana leave, yeah, and he could have just

2492
02:29:18,959 --> 02:29:23,240
Speaker 1: said to Ri, like, hey, could you scare them a

2493
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:25,440
Speaker 1: whole lot on your way over there, and we'll see

2494
02:29:25,480 --> 02:29:29,160
Speaker 1: if Diana kind of bolts, you know, and things got

2495
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:31,200
Speaker 1: out of control. Maybe he didn't know that Onri was

2496
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:34,520
Speaker 1: inebriated in any way, and on retook it like to

2497
02:29:34,680 --> 02:29:38,440
Speaker 1: the extreme. You know, there's there was ample time and

2498
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 1: ability for al Fayed to have planned something. He was

2499
02:29:41,959 --> 02:29:44,200
Speaker 1: one of the only people who really knew where Diana

2500
02:29:44,240 --> 02:29:47,240
Speaker 1: and Dodi were headed, right, he could have organized for

2501
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:50,200
Speaker 1: a white fat you know, to be in the place.

2502
02:29:50,400 --> 02:29:55,360
Speaker 1: In the way. That's pretty dramatic. Dramatic, it's absolutely dramatic,

2503
02:29:55,480 --> 02:29:58,680
Speaker 1: But I think that at the very least, we owe

2504
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:02,280
Speaker 1: it to mention that. I don't think. I don't. I

2505
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:06,160
Speaker 1: don't genuinely think that there's good motive. I don't genuinely

2506
02:30:06,280 --> 02:30:09,879
Speaker 1: think that al Fayed would have had his oldest son,

2507
02:30:10,040 --> 02:30:14,560
Speaker 1: who he probably just adored, killed. But I think that

2508
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:17,480
Speaker 1: while we're mentioning all these other crazy ludicrous things, we

2509
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:20,240
Speaker 1: may as well mention this one as well. What the hell? Yeah,

2510
02:30:20,520 --> 02:30:23,320
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, my advent to look at this.

2511
02:30:23,560 --> 02:30:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he felt like his his his Diana

2512
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:28,960
Speaker 1: was a tart and and that Doughty was bringing this

2513
02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:31,160
Speaker 1: honor upon the family. It's all, you know, there's so

2514
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:34,360
Speaker 1: many killing you can you can't find a lot of reasons,

2515
02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:36,880
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't. I don't personally find any

2516
02:30:36,920 --> 02:30:39,440
Speaker 1: merit in any of them. But no, not really. There

2517
02:30:39,480 --> 02:30:41,760
Speaker 1: you go. So that's I think our last theory. I'm

2518
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:45,200
Speaker 1: kind of doubting that he did it. Yeah, I don't think,

2519
02:30:45,240 --> 02:30:48,320
Speaker 1: Thank God. I also like, I don't think that any

2520
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:52,600
Speaker 1: of those are awesome theories. I had one more theory.

2521
02:30:53,240 --> 02:30:55,920
Speaker 1: There was a shadowy coalition of regular guys who are

2522
02:30:56,000 --> 02:31:01,320
Speaker 1: really really sick of hearing about Diana. No not, That's

2523
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:05,720
Speaker 1: definitely not the biggest mystery for me. And this whole

2524
02:31:05,800 --> 02:31:10,920
Speaker 1: thing is is seriously, the whole Diana of session always

2525
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:13,560
Speaker 1: left me cold and always made me wondering what the hell.

2526
02:31:14,320 --> 02:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are so fascinating about it.

2527
02:31:16,600 --> 02:31:21,440
Speaker 1: It's a cultural thing, though, Joe, We're we're in the US,

2528
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:26,120
Speaker 1: We're in the Western States. We don't get that. But

2529
02:31:26,280 --> 02:31:30,680
Speaker 1: it is a total cultural thing, like all of Britain

2530
02:31:31,280 --> 02:31:35,080
Speaker 1: got into it and then it spread from there. We're

2531
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:38,320
Speaker 1: not putting down I'm not saying that the Brits are

2532
02:31:38,400 --> 02:31:42,440
Speaker 1: not or anything like. No, No, I know in America Diana.

2533
02:31:42,800 --> 02:31:48,040
Speaker 1: People in America went berserk for Diana. I mean we

2534
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:50,640
Speaker 1: heard about nothing else. It wasn't just the Brits that

2535
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:53,440
Speaker 1: went crazy for I think that part of what happened

2536
02:31:53,480 --> 02:31:55,360
Speaker 1: is people ignored the fact that she was a lady

2537
02:31:55,720 --> 02:31:59,920
Speaker 1: right from a well off family. Her story was kind

2538
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:04,680
Speaker 1: of build as a rags to riches. Yes, inderelevant, and

2539
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I think people really bought into that. Yeah, it wasn't true,

2540
02:32:09,720 --> 02:32:12,560
Speaker 1: but even so that the thing about it was is

2541
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:16,200
Speaker 1: that is that it's one thing to package something like

2542
02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:18,920
Speaker 1: that into a ninety minute to our movie. It's another

2543
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:22,120
Speaker 1: thing to package it into, you know, twenty years of

2544
02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:24,720
Speaker 1: tabloid crap, I mean, which is what people did. And

2545
02:32:24,760 --> 02:32:28,200
Speaker 1: I never understood it that that why people were even

2546
02:32:28,280 --> 02:32:32,640
Speaker 1: remotely interested in Diana family. So if you know it

2547
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:35,120
Speaker 1: was a mystery, I mean yeah, yeah, if you know,

2548
02:32:35,320 --> 02:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I sent us a letter. Yeah, I think I don't

2549
02:32:39,440 --> 02:32:42,640
Speaker 1: like any of these theories I've left wanting. I think

2550
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:45,520
Speaker 1: that No, it's just I think, you know, car crash,

2551
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it happened, yeah, and it's unfortunate

2552
02:32:49,080 --> 02:32:51,880
Speaker 1: and we won't know whoever. And by the way, Paris

2553
02:32:52,080 --> 02:32:57,520
Speaker 1: put some freaking guard rails in that Sally the f

2554
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:04,600
Speaker 1: is going on roadway system in that one tunnel. If

2555
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:09,920
Speaker 1: you can't tell, we're tired now, we're getting cranky and rauchy.

2556
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:12,200
Speaker 1: So we're going to go and wrap this thing. Yeah, yeah,

2557
02:33:12,200 --> 02:33:14,600
Speaker 1: because I did like all the things that we're trying

2558
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:18,880
Speaker 1: to come up with, not to swear. So some of

2559
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:22,879
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2560
02:33:22,959 --> 02:33:27,400
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2561
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:30,720
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2562
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2565
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2566
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2567
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2568
02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:54,840
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2569
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:58,920
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2570
02:33:58,920 --> 02:34:04,200
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2571
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2584
02:35:00,600 --> 02:35:07,440
Speaker 1: of that being said, are we actually done? Yeah, Joe

2585
02:35:07,560 --> 02:35:10,680
Speaker 1: just said it all all right, guys, We got to

2586
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:14,120
Speaker 1: get out of here. Yeah bye, guys,