WEBVTT - 9-12: Bobby Cast Ep. 7 (Craig Campbell) 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.520 All right, Welcome to The Bobby Cast, episode number seven, 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:11.760 and this week, recording artist, singers songwriter Craig Campbell brought 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.760 this week it is it's very catchy. Brought you this 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.240 week by no one yet, but I will say this 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.600 that I went to New York this past week and 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.040 we've been doing this for six episodes. This our seventh episode. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.479 Craig and we really were just doing it from the 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.360 house because we're like, yeah, we'll put some stuff out 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.840 because people if on a podcast, they don't have to 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:31.400 listen to it. You can always turn it off. There's 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.440 no ratings involved with the radio. Was like, you got 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.040 to get to the point, and if you're not to 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.000 the point, it's gonna be super compelling with this. We 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.280 can just talk about whatever we want. And so I 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:41.560 went up to New York and then we're like, dude, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.000 people are playing the part the Bobby Cast like crazy. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:45.880 And so that's when I text you. I was like, dude, 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.120 if you're coming bringing the come on listen to so 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.880 thanks for being here. Thank you. Craig walks in and 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.280 he said, hey, I have a gift for you, and 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:53.560 I was like, oh, cour it's gonna bring me like 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.560 a a T shirt because I wanted by Craig Campbell 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.440 or president t shirt. Sometimes it's like Craig Campbell for President. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.520 And so he brings me up McPherson guitar and I 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.880 was like, dang, dude, but I appreciate that's like one 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.679 of the nicest get anyone's giving me. Like I said, 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:12.920 you know, we we Uh, I'm a part of the 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.600 McPherson family. And I talked to those guys up in 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.400 the Wisconsin and I said, you know Bobby Bones, the 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.760 raging idiot, we need to get them to be part 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:21.920 of the family nation. How do you get to be 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.119 a part of the family like that? You know, it's funny. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.240 I I just straight up cold called. I sent an 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.080 email to uh. Well, I I say it was a 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.320 cold call. I got the email from a from a 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.320 mutual friend and I said, Hey, I'm so and so 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.800 i've had you know, Family Man was on the radio, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.160 so you kind of given me a resonation. I'm an 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.520 artist and I said I'd love to be playing the 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.880 McPherson guitars and and uh. I got a response of 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.480 what's your address? So that this is family Man was 0:01:54.160 --> 0:02:00.480 like what year that was? It came out two thousand 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:05.040 ten and and peaked April two thole. This is family 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.480 Man here, this is what got to the mc ferson 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:11.520 guitar deal. Then on the drive had my coming Home 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:18.320 the Living Mead and reason that I am family Man. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.320 What I want to do since Craig Campbell's here is 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:21.640 I want to go. I just want to start with today, 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.120 kind of make a circle and come all the way 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.240 back to today and then just kind of talk about 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.959 life and music and the kind of the revolving door 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.000 that it is. And so so I want to start 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.040 down with out Scarts of Heaven. So this is a 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:46.720 song now that is your current song, the outscarts where 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:54.560 there's dirt roads from the fields and fishing and the 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.680 river now to be totally transparent. And I'm not saying 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.320 this because as you're here, I believe on the air 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.480 last week someone had asked me, what song do I 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.680 think doesn't get enough radio play, like of all the songs, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.040 and I played that song. I don't know if that's 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.640 not ever gets back to you immediately, It really I 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.480 never know, Like I really don't know what I say 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.000 if it gets back to artists, And I don't say 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.400 it so it gets back to artists, if that makes sense. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.320 I say it because this is how I feel. And 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.200 so they were like, what's the one song that you 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.440 think A listener asked me, isn't getting enough play on 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.880 the radio that you think really cuts through? And so 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.919 I said, it's Craig Campbell out Scripts of Heaven. And 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.240 I didn't tell you I was gonna say that there 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:38.880 was no It's just such a good song, yea. And 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.280 I can tell you. I ever when you sent it 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.640 to me before it was a single, and you said, hey, 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.280 I played this. I think you're playing around in May. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.600 I'm just going by memory here and maybe South Carolina 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.800 and so you're and you played it and you were like, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.200 in the crowd got up and cheered, and I was, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.720 I listened to it. Can you sent me a live 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.760 version of it? And I was like, I want to 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.720 get up in cheer right now. I'm laying in my bed. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.840 Um So talking about this Outskirts of Heaven's all because 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.080 I obviously love it, but I want to know from 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.680 you kind of your thoughts you families on the song. Yeah, 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.400 I mean when I wrote, when I wrote Outskirts of Heaven, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:15.280 I had I had no intentions at all of all right, 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.120 I never had radio in mind. And it wasn't you know, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.440 because as a songwriter, we we that's what we're shooting for. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.440 We're thinking is this gonna be is this gonna be 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.200 good for radio? Is ready gonna like this? Are they 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:27.680 gonna like it? Do they want to play it? You 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.960 know that kind of thing. But when when I had 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.480 this idea for this song, it was had. I hadn't 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.479 readio nowhere in my mind at all. I was writing 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.919 it for myself. Um, and I have the idea. I 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.160 told my buddy Dave Turnbull about it and he said, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:42.640 he says, I want to write that song with you. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.400 And we we sat down and I had all the 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.040 pieces in my head. Uh, and he helped me put 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.400 it all together and and um, I don't know. I 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.920 started doing it live and just getting a reaction from 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.320 people that I've never gotten before. Speaking of that Charleston Shows, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.640 the only standing ovation of the night. It was it 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.920 was a a special moment and which tales. I mean, 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.680 the fans even though they'd never heard that song, they 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.560 they they picked it as the single. You know it's 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.040 weird and I tell and you're not a new artist. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.080 But I tell new artists because I'll ask you what 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:15.800 I need to do to get on the radio, and 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.560 I say, it's not chase radio, because unless you're one 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.640 of the Big seven and you're automatically going to get 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.960 on the radio, if you're chasing radio, you're never gonna 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.040 catch it because you don't know where it's going. It's 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.279 like technology. You don't know what's gonna be in two years, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.880 So what do you invest in it when it comes 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.640 to uh music play? You just don't know what it's 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.200 going to be. And so when I heard it, I 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.120 was like, I think my response to you was this 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.520 sounds like a Craig Campbell song. You did that was 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.800 the and that was the greatest compliment you could have 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.880 given me. And so you have it. It is there, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.680 and it seems like and we knew. I knew it 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.200 would be and I think you did too. You knew 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.320 it would be difficult, especially at first, to get this 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.760 song to cut through because of the pace of the song, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:05:59.720 which is the thing in radio now, and it's not 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.320 that it used to be. When we first started, you 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.239 couldn't get a ballot on the radio to save your life. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.400 And now there are a lot of ballads, but still 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.680 it's tough to get any sort of song to cut through. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.360 So what's the biggest issue right now with the song 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.720 that you hear? That the reason that's not climbing as 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.920 fast as you'd want it to because everybody got an excuse. Yeah, hey, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.280 and I'm getting a lot of a lot of excuses. Uh. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:27.560 There's honestly, the radio stations that are playing it at 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.719 a at a good spot, they are getting extremely great feedback, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.400 and that's what we thought was gonna happen. The stations 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.200 that aren't playing it, they're they're saying, Okay, it's summertime, 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.240 it's too slow. Um, apparally, that's just an excuse. And 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.279 this cold this could be my stations too, that's just 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.240 an excuse. And there's a couple of stations that say, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.640 you know, we're going for that P one demographic, the 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.160 eighteen to to twenty whatever year old girls. Uh, and 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.960 we don't think this is gonna gonna resonate with those 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.760 girls or that demographic, which I have evidence on that 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.080 that that's false as well. But it's you know, we're 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.760 getting all these kind of excuses. But I feel like 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.159 this song is is tough, it's gonna it's gonna poke through. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.360 Can I tell you? Just talking about excuses and I'll 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.400 just go to another artist. So, and I've told the 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.640 story before, but it's one of one of my better 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.760 is that your water is this my water? So it's 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.440 one of my better stories of hearing excuses about songs 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:30.240 and so and it's been written and said buy me 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.160 a hundred times. But for the sake of this, Cam 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.440 came into our studio and she had a different song 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.400 and she they brought a new single to the show, 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.120 and she came in and she like, I want to 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:41.680 bring this new single and she played it. I know 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.760 what it was. I don't remember the single that she 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.880 came in. And Cam started as our jingle singer on 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.960 our show like she was, and she still sings are 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.960 dingles now just because we've just been Cam so cool. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:53.640 I don't know, do you know Cam very well? Yeah, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.320 we've we've hung out a few times. She's one of them, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.520 like she's like she's just such a down chick, like 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.280 she's just one of the people. And so she still 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.320 stinks are jingles for us, even though she doesn't have to. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:08.320 So she um, she comes in and her first song, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:10.880 and I even forget that. What that It was just 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:16.280 another hubb and dud, just another my mistake. Okay, so 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.640 it didn't do well. Right, she comes in with a 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.480 second song. I don't remember what it was because I 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.080 guess I'm a big jerk and I love cam and 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.680 I was like, hey, play burning House, and so her 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.440 and her band and fantastic they played Burning House and 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.800 I was like, okay, I'm moved, like I'm moving, and 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.120 it's hard for me to be moved because I'm jaded 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.320 by everything because I get to hear everything, and so 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.200 for things to affect me, it's tough because when you 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.040 get to do everything, it's hard to be a But 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:46.719 I was like, god, so good. So she left, and 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.000 without their knowledge that I was going to do it, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.760 I played it like four times that day and it 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.400 went to number one on iTunes. So that day. An 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.080 hour later, they switched singles, like they switched. They called 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.560 and said we're switching singles because of what had happened, 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.319 and I was like, oh, that's that's great. But then 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.160 the pressure lies on me. It was like, oh boy, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.640 I just spade him switched a single. Not really on me, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.600 but I really love the song, and I just feel like, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.280 if I can give the audience my honest truth, even 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:13.880 if it's not the truth, that's what I say. Sometimes 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.360 my truth is not exactly the truth, but it is 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.360 how I feel. And if I can give them my truth, 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.000 then I've done all I can do. And I played it, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:21.760 and do you know how many stations said that song 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.680 We're never gonna play it? A ton they said, we're 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.320 never going to play this song. It's it's once female too, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.080 it's too slow. Three. I mean, the whole station stopped 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.640 because it's too slow. But what happened was the message 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:41.000 slowly trickled, the sales happened on the verge happened, which, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:42.480 by the way, there's another story about you being on 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.679 the birch to talk about later, which is one of 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.440 the craziest stories too. Um. And it happened in burning 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.640 House happened and girl crushed, the same thing happened. And 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.040 that's just what I hope happens with this song. Is 0:09:54.080 --> 0:10:04.760 because Outskirts of Heaven is so good. And I say 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.040 this and I fight with people, a lot of people. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.560 I was like, well, that ain't country. That is country 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.760 to me. There isn't really a definition of what is 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.360 There isn't country because listen, I grew up in Arkansas 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.199 and when you're our age too, you're influenced by lots 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.400 of different kinds of music, like no doubt about it 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:23.920 around you. Um Like, I would say, there's newer country, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.400 and there's more sounding traditional country. But the thing about 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.720 that song is there such a place inside of the 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.040 format for that sounding traditional song. I feel like it. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.080 I feel like there is. I mean, I don't when 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:36.920 even when we wrote it, when we when we them 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.280 or went in to track it, make it, you know, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.080 make the album the song itself. I said, Hey, this 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.640 song is about the lyrics, about the melody, but I 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.320 do want it to hit pretty hard. And I said, 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.640 but it's gonna sound traditional no matter what, just because 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.120 of the song that it is. Um But I feel 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.240 like where we are and or at least I feel 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.720 like the Craig truth is that you know there's room 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.880 for every for for this is what was anything else? 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.720 And also if you fail with it, that's okay too, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.559 because it's you. Like That's how I feel about my stuff. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.600 Is I fail a lot. I try a lot of 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.920 things that don't work. Out and some people to know 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.640 about it because it fails and you just don't know. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:13.760 But if you put out something in your heart is 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.120 really in it and it doesn't work, at least your 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.120 heart was really in it. Because I know there have 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.680 been things that I've been okay, you know, I'll do it, 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:22.280 and then it didn't work. I was like, man, I 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.000 just wish I would have done it my way and 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.600 not kind of fall in a certain way because I 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.080 was told that's what I needed to do. You know, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.960 it happened recently and I'm saving this something really frustrating 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.720 happened in my career. Um in the last no woulds 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.200 a month or so, and I'm holding on to kind 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.800 of see where it falls. But I kind of went 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.240 against my values, not in a like dirty way, but 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.319 I have what I do where I maintained to myself 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.480 and I keep all, uh everything kind of unlock. I 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.440 don't share a lot with people of where I'm gonna 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.199 go and what I'm gonna play. Who I'm in the back. Um. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.160 I don't go to a lot of social events because 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.160 I don't like to get into the circle of Nashville 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.120 because it's so buddy buddy and who do you know 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.760 about scratchy? And so I don't do all that, and 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.719 I got into it a little bit, but people were like, hey, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.480 you need to start doing this a bit because this 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.280 is the biggest show and you and I don't like that. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.240 I got into that, and some thing's happened, and and 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.640 then eventually it'll come out. It's just a little sensitive 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.800 right now because I end up getting a lot of trouble. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.560 But I hate that about myself, like I really and 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.440 so I hope that if this song were to die tomorrow, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.240 you would still be like, I'm so proud I put 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.240 that song out. Well, there's no doubt about it. You. Uh, okay, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.040 let's go back to the initial conversation I had with 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:43.360 Benny Brown, the who owned your lab, and I said, 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.520 I really need I don't I don't know what all 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:52.400 this means, like all this like the standing ovations and 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.560 the messages I was getting. I said, I don't know 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.800 what this means, but I don't think it means something. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.680 And I said, I truly don't know that. I could 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.960 sleep not knowing that we had this song right here 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.160 and we didn't go with it, we didn't run with it. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.120 And and ever since then it's proven itself and I'm 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.440 getting messages listen to this, this is crazy. I had 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.800 a guy Facebook. Man, I get these at least two 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.880 or three times a week, pretty much the same same 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:19.880 I don't know what you would call it, but the 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.319 same subject matter. Had a guy told me. He started 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.880 out by saying, you don't know me, but I need 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:31.240 you to know that a couple of days ago, I 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.040 was thinking about killing myself. He said, I just lost 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.280 my dad and I didn't like being in this world 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.559 without him. And he said, I heard Outskirts of Heaven 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:48.800 and it was immediate peace. I knew that my dad 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.000 was in the place that you were describing and he 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.600 was good. That's for selfish reasons. I want the song 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.600 to succeed because I need you know. This is my career. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.200 But at the same time, this song is special. Yeah, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:05.760 I love it too, and it's not just sit in 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.000 front of me. I said it when you were in 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.760 front of me. So when we could come back to 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.280 that Outskirts, haven't hope you guys download it because you know, 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.000 and here's the thing to radio in general. They look 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.760 at a lot of research and they research songs, but 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.000 you know, it's a big researchers people's money, and when 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.320 people like something, they buy things. People go they're buying it. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.120 Guess they must like it. There's no more better research 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.040 than buying it. So if you listen to this and 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.800 you like that song downloaded, if you like any song, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.480 as a matter of fact, down don't, don't stream that crap. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.400 We artists don't get paid crap or streaming like you don't. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.240 I mean, listen, that's not that's the big you know, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.440 one of my buddies and I would you know, I 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.080 have very few people that would call it like real 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:43.880 friends that I call like and talk to a couple 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.560 of times a weekend. We have four or five in 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.520 our life that we really I have a friend named 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.560 Lee Miller, Lee Thomas Miller's writing name. He's a writing 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.240 we've had a matter of fact, on my second album, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.960 we had a song, uh called That's Why God Made 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.560 a Front Porch. So you've written like he is my 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.520 due dude, like like one of the best humans I've 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.120 ever met. And he is the guy that goes and 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.160 testify the front of Congress and says, here's why streaming 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:10.480 we need to be paid for stream here's I need 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.240 to paid for it, and you know we like are 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.960 against each other. I'm not against anybody, but it's like 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.520 I worked for radio and you know we put and 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.160 he's like fighting radio. But then we come and it's 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.560 you know, we have our merry fun ways, but don't 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.600 stream My point hey just by it just wasna, we 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.760 don't make any money. You guys don't make any money. No, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.360 I've never made and I says, and you're a real 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.440 right you make songs because you're right, ato's your career. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.480 They I've never made a penny right in a song, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.880 and I've written some songs. They've got like our raging 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.040 it is. Albums have sold like crazy. I am a 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.480 penny off crap because people don't know what happened to 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:48.360 the record. You take out a loan basically whenever you 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.400 get directed, Yeah, it's an advance. They give you money. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.880 Explain this they give They say, okay, Craig Campbell, we're 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.640 gonna give you a record. To what happens. That means 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:02.000 they're gonna give you the money to make a record. Uh, 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.720 And it's essentially is your money. They're giving it to 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.120 you early. You're gonna give you the money to make 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.560 a record. They're gonna give you the money to pay 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.760 some people to ride around with you and fly around 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.680 with you, to go to radio stations and say, hey, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.720 we need you to play Craig's News. Cost money. All 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.600 the travel costs money, just like the but like it's 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.040 it's the artist's money in advance. So they're basically loaning 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.880 you your money against yourself and that you eventually have 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.960 to pay back. So any money that you make with 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.400 all of yourselves, it has to all of it goes 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.920 to them first until you're caught up even and then 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.120 you start to get just pieces of it. So for 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.880 you as an artist, I guess you make your money 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.160 tory touring is is our main money money. Uh, but 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.320 if we have songs that do well on the radio 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.640 that we wrote, we make uh we make a decent 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.960 portion of that. We don't get at all, just a 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.040 good piece of it. Are you a guy that do 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.880 you want all of the songs to be your rights 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.280 and you always get them the singles? Or are you 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.000 you know you'll listen for songs you're like like like 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.920 kind of what's your what's your thing? Yeah, I'm I'm 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.160 a I love to hear hit songs no matter who 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.239 wrote him. And I've always had the belief of the 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.360 best songs we'll win. Like shoot, my my two biggest 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.560 two of my biggest songs were songs that I didn't write. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.040 I didn't ride out of my Head. That's a Cold 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:27.280 Swindal song that, yeah, I can't get you out of mind. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.480 So when you get a song like this from Cold Swindel, 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.560 does he sing it? When I got a dem When 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.720 I got the demo, it was him singing yeah. And 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.320 I texted him and said, hey, bro, I said, this 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.040 song is awesome. He's like, how do you How did 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.800 you get it? I said, well, I don't know. It 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.159 just showed up in my email. Is this the Scotty 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:49.600 mcarry song? Yeah, Okay, this is a crazy story. This 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.679 song was supposed to be sent to Scotty McCarry was 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.240 already on hold with Scott, so Scotty already said I 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.840 would like to put the song at home. Maybe. I mean, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.000 I'm gonna cut exactly. So you got it in your 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.320 email you weren't supposed to, and you reply back and 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.640 go love it and he's like, he's like when it's 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:05.840 like we need a text and you don't know the 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.520 name on it. The text. You see a number and 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.720 you're like, who is this? So you reply back and 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.440 you say what No, Me and Cole, we we're really 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.639 good buddies. We've been buddies long way back when. So 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.440 when he knew it was me, so but I told him, 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.240 I says, hey, I promise you, I'm going to cut 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.960 it before Scotty does. Can you do? Is that legal? No? 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.399 But he gave me. He gave me his thumbs up. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.520 And so what did McCurry say about that? Because you 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.280 you cut a song out underneath them with their little 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.760 tention there. No, no, he our folks reached out to 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.719 his folks and told him this is our situation. We're 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.400 going to cut like next week. We want this song. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.840 And they were like, you know, we're never cool with it. Yeah, 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.280 they said, we're basically said, we're not going in for 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.040 another while now, so we're not gonna hold this song up. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.520 If you know what, that's night. That's that's really cool 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.120 in this town with fights over songs, for sure. That's 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.960 really cool that Scott and McCurry camp. So here you go. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:19:03.520 It's a it's actually emailed to you. Wow smiling. Yeah. Yeah, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.120 when you cut this. Do you know it's good? Well, 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.240 here's here's a whole another story. When we went into 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.119