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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to The Bobby Cast, episode number seven,

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Speaker 1: and this week, recording artist, singers songwriter Craig Campbell brought

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Speaker 1: this week it is it's very catchy. Brought you this

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Speaker 1: week by no one yet, but I will say this

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Speaker 1: that I went to New York this past week and

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Speaker 1: we've been doing this for six episodes. This our seventh episode.

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Speaker 1: Craig and we really were just doing it from the

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Speaker 1: house because we're like, yeah, we'll put some stuff out

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Speaker 1: because people if on a podcast, they don't have to

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Speaker 1: listen to it. You can always turn it off. There's

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Speaker 1: no ratings involved with the radio. Was like, you got

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Speaker 1: to get to the point, and if you're not to

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Speaker 1: the point, it's gonna be super compelling with this. We

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Speaker 1: can just talk about whatever we want. And so I

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Speaker 1: went up to New York and then we're like, dude,

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Speaker 1: people are playing the part the Bobby Cast like crazy.

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Speaker 1: And so that's when I text you. I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: if you're coming bringing the come on listen to so

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Thank you. Craig walks in and

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Speaker 1: he said, hey, I have a gift for you, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, cour it's gonna bring me like

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Speaker 1: a a T shirt because I wanted by Craig Campbell

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Speaker 1: or president t shirt. Sometimes it's like Craig Campbell for President.

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Speaker 1: And so he brings me up McPherson guitar and I

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Speaker 1: was like, dang, dude, but I appreciate that's like one

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Speaker 1: of the nicest get anyone's giving me. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we Uh, I'm a part of the

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Speaker 1: McPherson family. And I talked to those guys up in

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Speaker 1: the Wisconsin and I said, you know Bobby Bones, the

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Speaker 1: raging idiot, we need to get them to be part

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Speaker 1: of the family nation. How do you get to be

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Speaker 1: a part of the family like that? You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I I just straight up cold called. I sent an

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Speaker 1: email to uh. Well, I I say it was a

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Speaker 1: cold call. I got the email from a from a

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Speaker 1: mutual friend and I said, Hey, I'm so and so

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Speaker 1: i've had you know, Family Man was on the radio,

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Speaker 1: so you kind of given me a resonation. I'm an

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Speaker 1: artist and I said I'd love to be playing the

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Speaker 1: McPherson guitars and and uh. I got a response of

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Speaker 1: what's your address? So that this is family Man was

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Speaker 1: like what year that was? It came out two thousand

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Speaker 1: ten and and peaked April two thole. This is family

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Speaker 1: Man here, this is what got to the mc ferson

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Speaker 1: guitar deal. Then on the drive had my coming Home

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Speaker 1: the Living Mead and reason that I am family Man.

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Speaker 1: What I want to do since Craig Campbell's here is

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Speaker 1: I want to go. I just want to start with today,

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Speaker 1: kind of make a circle and come all the way

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Speaker 1: back to today and then just kind of talk about

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Speaker 1: life and music and the kind of the revolving door

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Speaker 1: that it is. And so so I want to start

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Speaker 1: down with out Scarts of Heaven. So this is a

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Speaker 1: song now that is your current song, the outscarts where

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Speaker 1: there's dirt roads from the fields and fishing and the

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Speaker 1: river now to be totally transparent. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: this because as you're here, I believe on the air

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Speaker 1: last week someone had asked me, what song do I

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Speaker 1: think doesn't get enough radio play, like of all the songs,

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Speaker 1: and I played that song. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: not ever gets back to you immediately, It really I

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Speaker 1: never know, Like I really don't know what I say

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Speaker 1: if it gets back to artists, And I don't say

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Speaker 1: it so it gets back to artists, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I say it because this is how I feel. And

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Speaker 1: so they were like, what's the one song that you

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Speaker 1: think A listener asked me, isn't getting enough play on

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Speaker 1: I said, it's Craig Campbell out Scripts of Heaven. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't tell you I was gonna say that there

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Speaker 1: was no It's just such a good song, yea. And

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Speaker 1: I can tell you. I ever when you sent it

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Speaker 1: to me before it was a single, and you said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I played this. I think you're playing around in May.

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Speaker 1: and so you're and you played it and you were like,

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Speaker 1: Um So talking about this Outskirts of Heaven's all because

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Speaker 1: I obviously love it, but I want to know from

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Speaker 1: I mean when I wrote, when I wrote Outskirts of Heaven,

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Speaker 1: I never had radio in mind. And it wasn't you know,

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Speaker 1: told my buddy Dave Turnbull about it and he said,

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Speaker 1: And we we sat down and I had all the

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Speaker 1: it all together and and um, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: people that I've never gotten before. Speaking of that Charleston Shows,

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Speaker 1: the fans even though they'd never heard that song, they

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Speaker 1: they they picked it as the single. You know it's

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Speaker 1: weird and I tell and you're not a new artist.

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Speaker 1: But I tell new artists because I'll ask you what

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Speaker 1: I say, it's not chase radio, because unless you're one

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Speaker 1: catch it because you don't know where it's going. It's

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Speaker 1: like technology. You don't know what's gonna be in two years,

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Speaker 1: So what do you invest in it when it comes

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Speaker 1: to uh music play? You just don't know what it's

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Speaker 1: the and that was the greatest compliment you could have

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Speaker 1: given me. And so you have it. It is there,

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Speaker 1: and it seems like and we knew. I knew it

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Speaker 1: it would be difficult, especially at first, to get this

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Speaker 1: which is the thing in radio now, and it's not

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Speaker 1: So what's the biggest issue right now with the song

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Speaker 1: that you hear? That the reason that's not climbing as

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Speaker 1: and I'm getting a lot of a lot of excuses. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's honestly, the radio stations that are playing it at

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Speaker 1: and that's what we thought was gonna happen. The stations

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Speaker 1: that aren't playing it, they're they're saying, Okay, it's summertime,

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Speaker 1: an excuse. And there's a couple of stations that say,

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you? Just talking about excuses and I'll

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Speaker 1: and so and it's been written and said buy me

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Speaker 1: a hundred times. But for the sake of this, Cam

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Speaker 1: if it's not the truth, that's what I say. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: then I've done all I can do. And I played it,

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Speaker 1: We're never gonna play it? A ton they said, we're

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Speaker 1: it's too slow. Three. I mean, the whole station stopped

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Speaker 1: because it's too slow. But what happened was the message

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Speaker 1: because Outskirts of Heaven is so good. And I say

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, that ain't country. That is country

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Speaker 1: I hear a lot of artists go, man, we weren't

426
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 1: gonna cut the song, and all of a sudden, it's

427
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: right before we finished up. We wrapped it up and

428
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: it was the big hit. What's the what's the what

429
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 1: in your mind? Why did that happen? Well, songwriters they

430
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 1: there's a strategy too. If they know when you're going

431
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: in to cut, they'll send you songs the day before.

432
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: Is that right? I had no idea. They'll send it

433
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 1: right before you going to cut, just because they know.

434
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 1: Sometimes you hear a song and you'll get excited about

435
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: it and you do that to people. Of course that's crazy.

436
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 1: That's so smart too. It's like, because I get that

437
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: way about anything. Like if I'm like, oh, if something

438
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 1: comes to my head to have this segment idea and

439
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: it's hard from me, if it's I know, I need

440
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: to wait till Friday for it, and and it's like, oh,

441
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: I gotta it tomorrow. I just got this great idea,

442
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 1: that's such a great freaking player. Out of my head.

443
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: Out of my head was not that case. I loved it.

444
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: It was getting my people over a bigger picture to

445
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: love it. So Keith he he wasn't so hip on

446
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: it as much as I was. It wasn't like that

447
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: song was sent to me last second. They just kept

448
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: pushing it to the side. Oh you know, it's an

449
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: okay song. It's an okay song. Will well. And then

450
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: finally there was some time left on the session, I said,

451
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 1: I want to cut this song. Was that your first

452
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: song that really popped for you to where people were like, okay,

453
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 1: I know that song from the radio. Well, family Man

454
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 1: went to number twelve. It was, oh, it's okay, that

455
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: around my favorite piece. Und it gives me strange to stay.

456
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: Did you write family Man? Okay? So when you write

457
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: a song and it ends at twelve, like, what kind

458
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: of money comes from the number twelve song? Enough to

459
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: buy a car? Yeah? Yeah, from it from a number twelve?

460
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 1: Who'd write with how many people? The three people you

461
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: have the three with a fourth person, right or three

462
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: three people? Three? And that's about normal. That's yeah. I

463
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: mean most of the songs written in Nashville are three ways.

464
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: So if you do family Man and it hits twelve,

465
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: then that's your biggest At that point, where where did

466
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: fish end up? Fish was? It was an anomaly. It

467
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: was we didn't even go for ads. It just people started.

468
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 1: This song. Was never like a song that you went

469
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: to radio and said, hey, start playing it. This is fish.

470
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: It turns out my baby loves to fish. She won't

471
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: do it all the time, early in the morning and

472
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: the middle of that Jesus, and now she can't get them.

473
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: Man that girls show love to the thing. No radio was.

474
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: Radio was telling us we're playing that song whether you

475
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: like it or not. That's a good problem. It went

476
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: this is no joke. I could show you on emails

477
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: because I kept all the emails. It went from. It

478
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: debuted fifty something and then it went to forty one,

479
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: then went to thirty two. I mean it leaked frog,

480
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: no support, no one going hey, play play, play play.

481
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: The fact that it charted and charted is fifty. If

482
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: he had fifty, that's the fact that it charted accidentally.

483
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: It's crazy where it ended up peaking. It peaked at

484
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: that's crazy. It's my most downloaded song. Fish is your

485
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: most downloaded song, and he was that end of two

486
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: thousand eleven and and five years ago and your most

487
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: downloaded song. Okay, so Fish is there? Yeah, family, man,

488
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I think I want to get to now.

489
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: So it was it was. It was like I said,

490
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: it was a strange deal. That song did so well,

491
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: but what didn't do well on the chart? Like, um,

492
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It's fun. It's it's weird to

493
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: compare Fish to Outskirts of Heaven. It was, but it

494
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: was the same excitement we had Fish. I was doing

495
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: it at the shows, but the album wasn't out yet.

496
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: People were saying, we gotta get our fingers on this song.

497
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: We're in Uh so we we says, well, we gotta,

498
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: we gotta harness this enthusiasm. So we we came with

499
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: it before the album came out. We decided it should

500
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: be the second thing. That's a really cool story, like

501
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: you had no idea. That's like the LFO you say

502
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: with Summer Girls, the LFO song I like girls that

503
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: where I have a Crombie and Fitch. The Station of

504
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: Memphis played at one time. This is before I mean

505
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: I was like a kid and one station played it

506
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, we gotta play it thing

507
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden every once a while, and each

508
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: format you get one of those songs that do that

509
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: that really like I've done it with songs, but that

510
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: was because I'm a big jerk and I like to

511
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: fight my song just play them over and over again.

512
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: But the fact that just radio, because it's different though,

513
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: because I have an audience of five million people. But

514
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: for this to happen for you with this song, and

515
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: stations were taking a station by stations even better, it's

516
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: even a better story. But when we got to the

517
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: crunch part of the chart, the the I guess you

518
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: would call them the Bible Belt stations says we can't

519
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: play that because because of the double on tundre, the

520
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: what double my missing here? I'm with you, Vagina. Well

521
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: know the whole had everything we needed in the bed

522
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: of my truck. Turns out my baby loves to fish

523
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: on fish. She wants to do it all the time,

524
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: early in the morning, and the man, are you kidding me? Dude,

525
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I loved and even then I can

526
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: hear where maybe they could say it was part of it.

527
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: There been like to I would never have thought that though.

528
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, let me listen more in the morning and

529
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: the middle of that Jesus and now she can't get them. Man,

530
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: that girl shoh loves to the thing. I can't believe

531
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: that if this, if I would have been a brick wall,

532
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: if I would have been alive at this point, in

533
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: this format, I would have been protesting. I've been screaming

534
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: my brains out. I was selling almost twenty thousand a

535
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: week on the charge. I can't believe that's what stopped

536
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: that song. I even got my first piece of hate

537
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: mail over this song, like a real letter. I'm the

538
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: seven and what did what happened? I played it at

539
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: the Opery when we decided it was a single. Obviously,

540
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: you know when you played it. When we played the Opery,

541
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: we played the new the current song and this lady

542
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: and granted, I see what they were saying. As far

543
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: as the difference between family Man and Fish She she said,

544
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, we were a big fan. We we love

545
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: the song family Man. I brought my kids to see you,

546
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: and then you played that filth. She was upset about it. Mike,

547
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: did you catch that now when you have to explain

548
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: it like I but even then that to this day,

549
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I was felling my hair out just because

550
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, you're telling me radio don't or people

551
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: listening to the radio doesn't want to hear this song.

552
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: But a week yeah, wow, okay, So there I want

553
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: here listen to this story, and then I want to

554
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: get into some live stuff. But so you're on a

555
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: label and you have this song called keep Them Kisses Coming,

556
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: and your label the time is called Bigger Picture. Bigger

557
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: Picture doesn't exist anymore, by the way, But what I'm

558
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: doing just rounded up. We got all sentimental little something

559
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: happen to you, just keep them Kisses Coming? Like I

560
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: love it. I love the song. When kind I was like, man,

561
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: this song is fine, stupbeat, it's cool, this country. It's Craig.

562
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't really know you that well. Then, but dude,

563
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: you gotta come to the studio, you know. And so

564
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: your label disappears, and so we have a company, go

565
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: we gotta put Craig. This is an on the Verge song.

566
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: What it means is my company and I'm biased this crap,

567
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: and I chose to work for my company. I love

568
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: I her radio And it was like we had to

569
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: pick something that we think is gonna blow up, so

570
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: let's just get on board with the product. We think

571
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: it's already fantastic, and so boom, that's it. You're on

572
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: the very first one, the first one, and his label

573
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: folds as you're the on the verge artists number thirteen

574
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: on the chart. I get a phone call saying, hey,

575
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: um um, you're gonna see the press release tomorrow, but

576
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: well we're closing our doors. So here you are. And

577
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: he was smoking up the chart and you don't have

578
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: a record label, and I remember going, I ever talked

579
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: to you, like, dude, what are you gonna do? So

580
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: I guess you like hired the outside promoter or someone. Honestly,

581
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: the guys that worked for Bigger Pictures continued to call

582
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: and make calls, as well as myself. I started calling

583
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: people that I knew in radios, yourself included, saying, hey,

584
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, even though the record labels closed, this is

585
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: a hit. You know, I'm still out here working. Let's

586
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: keep it going. And for the most part, radio was

587
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: very receptive to that, like, dude, we got you, and

588
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: it was almost like we wanted you to win because

589
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: we saw something just got swept right after underneath You

590
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: and um the I remember though, getting getting the phone

591
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: call from one of our guys that was working the

592
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: record he he uh. They were not allowed to log

593
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: into media base anymore, so they couldn't see who was

594
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: the media bas What shows the charts by the way, everybody,

595
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: lets think it shows you where songs are ranked and

596
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: how many spins this getting all of it. They can

597
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: look at specific stations and see where if you're losing spins,

598
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: they can find out where they're going, where they're where

599
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: they're getting lost. So they couldn't even see. They were

600
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: flying blind basically. So I was having other record promo

601
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: guys send me screenshots of the ups and down spins

602
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: because I said, you know, if they're down five or more,

603
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: let me know so I can call them and say, man,

604
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: we're still here. Keep let's go and U Fortunately, with

605
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: the help of my the guys that was working the

606
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: song with Bigger Picture, um we we we kept it

607
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: going for another six spots, and so in that peaking

608
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: where seven with no record label. I can remember sitting

609
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: in New York at a table and I remember texting

610
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: you and I'm sitting with Tom Polman, who's the president

611
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: of all of I heard all of the formats, um

612
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: and so like Rod Phillips is my boss, He's the

613
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: head of country and Rod's bosses over all the formats

614
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: I remember seen with home like what are we gonna do?

615
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: Like both of them like what are we gonna do?

616
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: And we'll stay at this charity event. It's like man

617
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: pedal to the metal, like this is our dude, let's

618
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: do it and without a record label for like another

619
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: month and a half. I hope you're proud of that.

620
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: And you know what, I think it's the number one

621
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: song that you just got screwed out of. Oh, I

622
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: believe it. I believe it. It was the dumb the

623
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: metrics on the song that downloads, the the way it

624
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: was moving and people adding it and converting it at radio.

625
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: It was it was moving too fast for it not

626
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: to to peak at number one. Um I. But I

627
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: even sent a text message to Clay Hunkah who was

628
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: uh he was? And because I felt bad that that

629
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: had happened on the very first on the Verge. I

630
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: felt I felt like I let Clay down and he's like, dude,

631
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: you you didn't have you didn't have any You know

632
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: that it wasn't your fault, but I still felt a

633
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: little responsible on behalf of a bigger picture that they,

634
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: for lack of a better, couldn't hold it together long

635
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: enough to see it through on that label at that time.

636
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Who else was on Bigger Picture? We know Lucy hell

637
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: was there, but that was a Disney partnership because I

638
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: remember her coming in and her being, um, who else

639
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: was on Bigger Picture? Jansen? Chris Jansen? Right? I think

640
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Chris Cagle had already been had already separated, went his

641
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: own way. Um, they were developing smith Field. Yeah, um,

642
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: but now they're they're starting to kind of pop up again.

643
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: I think that's it. But it was it was you.

644
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: You were the leader of that label, and then Jansen

645
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: had um better I don't and it had done okay,

646
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: and then he got dropped for a long time, and

647
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: the whole buy Me a Boat stories a whole different

648
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: anomaly of of of what happened there. Wow, that that

649
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: losing your record label at the high end of your

650
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: career is a crazy story. It was. It was a

651
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: very deflating. I didn't I didn't see it coming at all. Well,

652
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, in retrospect, I saw signs of struggles, you know,

653
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: financial struggles. I knew something was something was shaky. I

654
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: didn't know it was enough to shut down those especially

655
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: knowing the seeing the finish line, you know what I'm saying,

656
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Like you could actually see the big success webbing up

657
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: front and the and obviously having a hit song and

658
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: following it up with another song. We felt like the

659
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: momentum the train was strong. So I was I was

660
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: super shocked. So I do know for a while, Like

661
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: as we get away from music for a second, you

662
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: used to work in a jail or there's different a

663
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: jail of prison. Which did you work prison? You worked

664
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: in the real deal as what I was a correctional officer,

665
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: So you were correctional officer for a mail president. Which

666
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: which president? The first prison I worked at was down

667
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: in Glennville, Georgia. How did you get that job? Um? My,

668
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: my stepdad. He he was he was very uh connected

669
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: with the Georgia Department of Corrections. He was he was

670
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: the maintenance farm and basically took care of all the

671
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: trooper vehicles, the farm, the tractors, and he was he

672
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: was a fairly big deal at the at the prison

673
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: not far from my house. And then my also my uncle,

674
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: my daddy's brother. Um, he was head of security, like

675
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: head of training for the whole entire state to Georgia.

676
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: So it was a it was a they were hiring

677
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: like crazy anyways, but it was it was cool to

678
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: go in and say, hey, I'm I'm Wayne Campbell's son.

679
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Uh so I got I got um stationed at a

680
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: prison about thirty miles from my house. What's it like

681
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: your first day going into a prison? Oh, it's it's

682
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: Is it intimidating anything? Very especially I was eighteen years old,

683
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: So you're going at eighteen, you're a prison guard, you're

684
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: automatically hated. No, honestly, I mean there's a there's a

685
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: misconception with with prison. There's I mean the inmates have

686
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: a job and have a role, as well as the

687
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: correctional officers. For the most part, I would say nine

688
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: of the people in prison they just want to They

689
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: just want to have a smooth existence. They don't want

690
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: to cause any trouble. Where is there any trouble while

691
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: you're working? I never saw any hardcore trouble. Um. I

692
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: did see a few fights, um, which is probably natural

693
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: when together a bunch of dudes that lived together and

694
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: to see each other every day. And there's there's not

695
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: many resources or no you know, no outlets or whatever,

696
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: but so you would. I mean, it's just things are

697
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: gonna come to a head where they're like shanks and

698
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: stuff all around. Oh yeah, yeah, we we found those.

699
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: But after after working there for a while, I realized

700
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: that most of the things that we found during searches

701
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: and whatnot, we're there for us to find, so that

702
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: we wouldn't find the big stuff exactly. We'd find a

703
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: we'd foind a what we call buck. It was basically

704
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: a milk jug or a bladder full of homemade whiskey.

705
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: But that was just to throw you off so you

706
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't find the big stash. Was there ever a time

707
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: where you felt, as you were working inside the prison

708
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: where you were really vulnerable, maybe put yourself into a

709
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: position it was too vulnerable for being there at that time?

710
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: There was one guy that I wouldn't say I was

711
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: his friend, but he was. He was. He was in

712
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: the R and B. He loved to sing. He was

713
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: singing all the time, and I loved it. So we

714
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: would we'd sing in the hallways. We go out into

715
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: the hallway and just shoot, you know. He'd sing some

716
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: boys the men, and I joined in sing harmony with him,

717
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: so we hit it off. I think I think there

718
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: might have the relationship might have been too close for

719
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: inmate officer, you know, because I I liked him. I mean,

720
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: he was in there, he was it was a very

721
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: low security prison, so he couldn't have been in there

722
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: for nothing too bad. So my guard was down and

723
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: and but I enjoyed. I enjoyed hanging out with him.

724
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: You never were, did anyone like corner you or no?

725
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I have one guy one time, and this is I

726
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: remember this because it was the only time he was

727
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: he was being disrespectful to me. And that's and that's

728
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: the whole key. I feel like when you work at

729
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: a prison, just got a maintained respect for those guys

730
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: that respect you because of the badge. But there was

731
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: one guy he was he was giving me all kinds

732
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: of grief and and just wouldn't do what he was

733
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. And I and and out. Man. Honestly,

734
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: back eighteen nineteen years old, I was a DW five pounds,

735
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: just this five eight, you know, a little bitty dude.

736
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: I barely could grow a mustache, uh, and I vowed

737
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: up at him. I says, man, if you for one

738
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: minute think that I can't handle myself, you're mistaken. And

739
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: from that point forward we have we had the greatest

740
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: We had the greatest relationship because because I mean, I

741
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: was honestly, I was scared to death, right, But I've

742
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: separated him from them, from the general population. Obviously, you don't.

743
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: You don't confront a man in front of his friends,

744
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: because then you know he's not gonna have that. So

745
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: I said, let's follow me, and we talked, and I said,

746
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: and that's when I said, I said, if you if,

747
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you think I can handle this,

748
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: you that's the biggest mistake you're gonna make. So at

749
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, and how long did you work at

750
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: the prison, I would say two and a half years.

751
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: Were you playing music to make money as the beginning

752
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: part of a career then, or was that still just

753
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of a dream that you wanted to try later.

754
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing music yet, so no music, No I was.

755
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I was basically just on the weekends, I'd go to

756
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: a bar and try to find a band I could

757
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: sit in with. But the thing is for you, because

758
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: I know you started playing young, like you played playing piano,

759
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: but nineteen years althing like that. Well, I played piano

760
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: for my church from the time I was I don't know,

761
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: nine years old. And how at nine do you start

762
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: playing piano for your church? They didn't have anybody else.

763
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: And so did you start taking lessons when you're away

764
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: young grandma? You know I took lessons for a minute,

765
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: and uh, the story my mama tells me is that

766
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: the the teacher came to them after about three or

767
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: four lessons and said, listen, this is you're wasting your money.

768
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: He's not learning anything. He's memorizing it, so I would

769
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: remember where my hands go as opposed to knowing what

770
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm reading. So she said, all he wants to do

771
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: is learn how to play songs. She said, I'm gonna

772
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: teach him three or four songs to play at church.

773
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: And that was it. And then the church the piano

774
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: player quit and I was the closest thing they had

775
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: to a piano player. So so you're ten years old

776
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: and the church Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday, vacation, Bible school.

777
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: I was I mean, now, I was the guy so

778
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: you are you learning though at ten eleven, twelve years old,

779
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: So that was the real learning for you. It went

780
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: from hunting and picking you to literally, you know, being

781
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: able to carry on the full services. And I've said

782
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: this about you before because I've seen you play and

783
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think it's it's something. If I'm wrong,

784
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's a couple of things. I think you

785
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: were grinding a long time and as you grind, you

786
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: learn and you pick up. And on top of that,

787
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: there's some sort of musical intuition inside of you too

788
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: that you can figure things out as you go. And

789
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: they really great ones of a combination of both. And

790
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: I think as far as musician wise, you're one of

791
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: the really great ones. And I'll talk about why coming

792
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: up in a bit. But when you sit down and

793
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: you hear a song, how do you figure it out?

794
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: Do you see colors? Do you do your hand? Do

795
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: your hands fall to a certain place? Because every artist

796
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: is a different way, they go, Okay, I'm hearing this song.

797
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: Let me let me chase colors. He sees colors. I

798
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: don't see colors at all. I do here no umbers

799
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: or see numbers like I can. I can hear it

800
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: and say, oh, that's a six minor or two minor,

801
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the national You can hear it

802
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: and go, I know what that is. That's as long

803
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: as you tell me what kids and I could I

804
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: could play it by the number system. So you're learning

805
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: to play piano through these years. At what point you're ten,

806
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: you're playing through church. You never think this is what

807
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I want to do or I'm going to really do it.

808
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Is that because of where you live and there's wren

809
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people that were doing it. Because I

810
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: know for me, that's why I never thought I could

811
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: do anything. Nobody else did it. Yeah, when I when

812
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: I graduated high school, that the prison, that was it.

813
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: That was it was like a sawmill in my town.

814
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Like you worked at the sawmill when you finished high school?

815
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: And and I was. I had a I had a girlfriend.

816
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: We we uh we were high school sweethearts. Um. I

817
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: got the job at the prison. The first thing I

818
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: did was going by an engagement ring. So we were

819
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: engaged because it was the thing to do. And um,

820
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: but whenever the prison, whenever I quit that that was

821
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: that was when I said you know what, because there

822
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: was a club in my hometown that UM that I

823
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: went to often, South Georgia, little town called Lions, Georgia. Lions, Georgia,

824
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: there's a little club called Carrigan's Country and it was

825
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: a six night a week, full live band, six nights

826
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: a week, so there was music playing. Or for you,

827
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: there was a six night a week gig. No, no,

828
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: there was music. There was a live band Monday through

829
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: Saturday every week, so you could I could go at

830
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: any time and see live music. And that's when I say,

831
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: like when I would leave the prison, I would go

832
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: to town and and who, I don't care who it was,

833
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask can I get up to sing

834
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: a song? I became buddies with the owner UM, and

835
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: I told him. I says, hey, if I put a

836
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: band together, will you will you let me play her?

837
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: And he said yeah. He said, just you have to come.

838
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: You have to come show me what you got first.

839
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna clear my schedule. So we came up.

840
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: We practiced for about four weeks and UM came in

841
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night and he he told the band

842
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: and let us get up and play all our instruments.

843
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Who's with you? By the way, the band, like, what

844
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: did you grab some friends from home? Yeaheah, I know

845
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: we were all local. Um, there's a guy playing guitar.

846
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: His name is James Watkins. He lives here now. I

847
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: think the last I heard he was playing for Steve Holly.

848
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: It was a few years ago. So these are guys

849
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: so that you kind of just knew around towns and hey,

850
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: let's get together and go at least make a little

851
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: bit of money. And then the bass player, he was

852
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: just a buddy. We knew. Chris O'Neil. He was he

853
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: lived in Videlia. Um, he he knew a drummer. So

854
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: he's like, let's do this, and so yeah, we put

855
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: together a little set list and we came in and

856
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: played that night and and the owner Gary, he said,

857
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: all right, all right, back be back Monday morning. So

858
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: you go back Monday thinking what we had made it.

859
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: You had made it as what like you're gonna just

860
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: play Monday or you were gonna be that band cleared

861
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: his schedule and why did it? Said the other band?

862
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: You got fired? He different different bands every week. Okay,

863
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: so you went in and you had one week then yeah,

864
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: so he played for a week and then he gave

865
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: me the next week, and and you gave me what

866
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: ended up being thirteen solid straight weeks of playing six nights. Man,

867
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: I bet that was just heaven, right man, because you

868
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: were actually making money even the thing you love. And

869
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: I can relate on to a level. And it's funny

870
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: because I was talking about some friends. We played a

871
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: show and we like played spring Filmssouri and then play Tulsa,

872
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: and we were gonna fly back from Tulison. We're like, scirt,

873
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: let's just get a car, will just drive back ten hours.

874
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: And the great thing about having people in a band

875
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: that you enjoy is that the enjoyment of just the

876
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: fellowship and inside of our group. I get to have

877
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: people that I really enjoy because I get to control

878
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: it and listen. We're not winning, We're not Craig Campbell.

879
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: We're not good, but we put on a really entertaining show.

880
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: It's nuts whatever you you can say that, but I've heard,

881
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm I can't not wait to see you guys. I've

882
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: heard it is a blast and I'm looking forward to it.

883
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: It's like a dumpster fire with fireworks, Like I can't

884
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: stop looking at it and listen, We've gotten better. But

885
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: my point is, even with the morning show, surrounded myself

886
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: with people that I enjoy being around, the same thing

887
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: with this band, and I'm talking with I don't know

888
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: if you know Brandon Ray at all. Okay, so he's

889
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: a new artist and he's been playing a few songs

890
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: with this and we were talking and I was like,

891
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I grew up super humble, like

892
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: like a lot of us did. I grew up you know,

893
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: and I mean money. It was a welfare kid, of

894
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: food stamp kid. You know, I didn't have a dad.

895
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: Why why? I have told the story hundred times. But

896
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: I was like, in a way, I look at that

897
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: as a blessing because I knew how to be poor

898
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: and for me to do what I loved to do,

899
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: I had to be poor for a long time. So

900
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: when I got my first radio job and I was

901
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: a teenager and I was making I don't even think

902
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: it was minimum wage, frankly, because you know, sometimes you

903
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: just didn't pay minimum wage. It was just a radio

904
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: station that I already knew how to be poor. But

905
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I loved what I was doing so much that I

906
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: was able to be poor and do what I loved

907
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: and that's all that mattered. And because I loved it

908
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: so much, I worked so much harder at it, and

909
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: that allowed me to slowly climb that ladder. And I

910
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: wonder as you tell the story, it's almost like I'm

911
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: if it makes this listening to a mirror, because I

912
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: know you're not making any money really playing these weekly.

913
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: You make a little money, you can tell money, but

914
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: it's not like you're making money that you can do

915
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: this to your fifty years old at this point. But

916
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: you have to be loving it, right, you have to,

917
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: And that's you know, I've even even to the to

918
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: where I am today. I have people ask me all

919
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: the times, like, man, Um, they get so frustrated by

920
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: calls they haven't made it, And I'm like, okay, well

921
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: are you having fun? You know, playing morder on Lower Broadway?

922
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: Are you having fun doing it? Man? It's just you know,

923
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: I'll get tired of playing every night. Well, well don't

924
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: do it if you don't, if you're not having a

925
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: good time. They see other people doing other things and

926
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: they wish they could do that instead of just and

927
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: we're all guilty of this at some point, um. But

928
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: if they see people around them doing bigger things and

929
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: think why can't that mean me? But you know what,

930
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: those people who are making it now at one point

931
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: where the same person looking at other people going why

932
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: can't that be me? And it's really rare that that

933
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to someone. So back to you. You're playing

934
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: thirteen weeks in a row, and you gotta be like,

935
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: this is it? This is awesome? Like I'm playing music

936
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: and I'm paying my bills, Like what greater thrill to

937
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: do something that you love and to support yourself by

938
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: doing Because most people were lucky, dude, Most people hate

939
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: their jobs. Most people in life hate I believe that

940
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: my my stiddad hated job worked and so hated his

941
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: job every day came home was always like I hate

942
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: this job, but he did it so we could eat.

943
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: And he hated a job, but he did it for us.

944
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I never hated my job like I had jobs and

945
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: I was younger when I golf force maintenance or you know,

946
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: when I worked at the marina. But I loved my

947
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: job even when I was like, now you're loving your

948
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: job and you're playing music every night, and so when

949
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: do you go, Okay? I think I'm ready to try

950
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: something a little bigger than this. We had get to

951
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: our player. He quit once and then he went to

952
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: another regional band and then he um. He came back

953
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: to us and we did that um and then he

954
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: he quit again. And when the when a band member

955
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: quits in this situation wherever you're you're doing a regional

956
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: stuff and you're playing six nights a week, it's very

957
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: it's very uh rehearsed. Like the sets you play five

958
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: sets a night, forty minutes sets. You each set has

959
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: its transitions and this and that. And I said, you

960
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: know what, I don't want to have to learn. I

961
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: don't wanna have to teach you to get to our

962
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: player of the set. I just don't want to do it.

963
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: So I called my buddy Um and he said he

964
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: he was going through a hard time. He was already

965
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: living in Nashville. I said, hey, uh, do you have

966
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: any room? He says, man, I'm I'm sorry. I can't

967
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: nothing right now. He said, but um, if I can

968
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: get you a job, will you will you move? And

969
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: I was like, shoot, Chester. He was working Maine. It

970
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: sat an apartment complex. He says, I think I know

971
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: somebody across the way that that is looking for maintenance

972
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: slash groundskeeper. I said, dude, hook me up for ye.

973
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: So I came to town on a Thursday. My interview

974
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: was on Friday three. You come in town to Nashville

975
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: with music in your head, but you know you have

976
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: steps to before you can get to the music. Okay,

977
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: So you so you're gonna work for lack of every time,

978
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: just maintenance, Like I said, So you gotta work mance

979
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: in apartment complex. You go, you interview, I interview. She

980
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: calls me back that that afternoon and says, uh, we

981
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: want to hire you. She said, I know you don't

982
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 1: know much about maintenance. Because I was honest, I said,

983
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: I've never done this, she said, but I can tell

984
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: that you want this job, she says, So I want

985
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: you to. I want you to have this job like eight.

986
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: But I did get, you know, thirty percent off my rent,

987
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: which was a big deal. Um, So I did that

988
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: probably fifteen months really. And so at that time, are

989
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: you playing the Broadway gigs? No, I haven't started Broadway.

990
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: So you were in Nashville for a year and you

991
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: hadn't started playing music yet, driving you crazy. It was

992
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: just because I didn't know anybody. I was I was

993
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: very secluded, but I would go downtown to Lower Broadway

994
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: into Printer's Alley and I would watch bands and and

995
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: just think, man, I want to do this, and there's

996
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: another level of making it, you know. Um, so's they're

997
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: intimidating for you because if people come to this town,

998
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: they always think I'm good. And then you look, you

999
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: look around, you go, holy crap. These are people playing

1000
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: bars and they're fantastic because this is the melting this

1001
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: is the concentration of amazing nous. So this as as

1002
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: luck would have it. I was at a showcase one

1003
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: night at Douglas Corner and there was a guy, um

1004
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: he was he had the Saturday night tend to two

1005
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: spot at the stage, which was the big place to

1006
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: go down, and the tender two spot on Saturday night

1007
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: was the spot you wanted. I mean, it's shoulder shoulder.

1008
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: So I'm at him and he's like, what do you do?

1009
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: I said, I'm a piano player. He said, really, so

1010
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: that's what you were at the time. You were the

1011
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: keys player. Well, it's just easier for me to say

1012
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: that than to say a singer, because I mean, or

1013
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: even a guitar player, because everybody does both. So he says,

1014
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: what are you doing Saturday? I said, man, I nothing

1015
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: to do. He said, come down Saturday night. Said up,

1016
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: that's interesting because you were a singer and you did

1017
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: play guitar, but you knew that there was to get

1018
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: my foot in the door. That yeah, that your piece

1019
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: was to play the keys because there were no piano players.

1020
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: Downtwn wow. So okay, there are no piano players. You

1021
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: go and he says, come play. So what happened? So

1022
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: halfway through the night he his name is Josh Brister,

1023
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: he said, He said, the gig is yours if you

1024
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: wanted every Saturday night. So you you played halfway. You

1025
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: played half a set and he comes here and says, hey,

1026
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: you're in And is it a thrilled for you to

1027
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: be playing in Nashville? My goodness, man, to be able

1028
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: to play music and make a hundred dollars or however

1029
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: much you make on a Saturday night. I tend to

1030
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: spot singing harmony with with a with a rock and crowd.

1031
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: It's it was. It was the best thing ever. Were

1032
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: you still doing the main it's of the daytime I was,

1033
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: and I was on the on call every other weekend.

1034
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: So Sometimes I would be on Broadway with my page

1035
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: or on sweating thinking if I could, yeah, I would

1036
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: have to go make sure and the normally nothing. Most

1037
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: times I could talk people out of it. You could

1038
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: give them instruction on how to save them. So I

1039
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: could just say, hey, can it wait till tomorrow. The

1040
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: only thing I couldn't say wait is if it was

1041
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: like a one bedroom and there was a clog toilet.

1042
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: I had that was did you ever have to leave

1043
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: a gig? Nope? You never. I did have to make

1044
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: a few phone calls, but never had to leave a gig.

1045
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: So you do that that that you're playing keys on

1046
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: the stage for how at the stage for how long? Um?

1047
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: I did that for three or four years. Three or

1048
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: four years I played. I played piano. That was It

1049
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: was like a domino effect. I played for him, and

1050
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: then the Friday, the Saturday night six to ten guy said, hey,

1051
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: I need a piano player. So I would come in

1052
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: on Saturday, set up at six o'clock and play both

1053
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: shifts and wouldn't even have to tear my stuff down.

1054
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: I just play both shifts. And then that went that

1055
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Friday night, and then at one time I was playing

1056
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: six nights, uh and two shifts on Friday Saturday. So

1057
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: I was making I was honestly making about a grand

1058
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: week cash. Okay, so you're making good money, did you?

1059
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: Were you able to quite your maintenance job at that point?

1060
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: So you and you were just playing piano, keys, key whatever. Um,

1061
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: so that's what you're doing. You're think you're the keys?

1062
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: Now do you feel like okay, now I can really sing? No? No? Yeah.

1063
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: That that was my whole goal, the whole time, or

1064
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: my plan. I became, you know, buddy buddy with the

1065
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: with the owner at the stage. And I kept every

1066
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: time I see you might say when you're gonna give

1067
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: me a shift? When you're gonna give me a shift?

1068
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: Because during sounds I would sing to check and make

1069
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: sure everything's working. And and they knew, they I mean

1070
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: they they recognized. And so one night I overheard him saying, man,

1071
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't have a tended to

1072
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: for Sunday. And I'm like here, I'm here. He's like

1073
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: you sure, I said yes, So he gave me tended

1074
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: to on a Sunday, which is very No, it's it's

1075
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: not the most, it's not the most. It's not the

1076
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: best light at night on a Sunday. But I showed

1077
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: up with a seven piece band. I was so excited

1078
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: I had even though I was a piano player. I

1079
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: I hired a piano player, bass fiddle, steel drums, guitar.

1080
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: I had the whole thing. And it was just another

1081
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: one of those I've made it situations. Um, but I

1082
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: never got my shift. I never got my own shift,

1083
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: uh till a good bit after that. That was just

1084
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: the one off. But I just kept on and on,

1085
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: and finally he said, he said he had he needed

1086
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: somebody for Tuesday night six to ten at the stage.

1087
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: It's not a permanent thing, but I want you to

1088
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, whenever they're out, I'm gonna give you the call.

1089
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: First I said, thank you. It eventually turned into those

1090
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: guys and they would kept canceling, so he gave the

1091
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: shift to me and I did that for another three

1092
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: or four years a year. So, as you're working at stage,

1093
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: were there people that came through and you saw come

1094
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: through and then go up, meaning can you think back

1095
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: to anyone and you're like, Okay, this guy's really good.

1096
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: And they ended up being something that came through. Dirk's

1097
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: was down there. He would Dirk would come and place

1098
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: day he played the stage for a little bit. Was

1099
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: he at that point special or did he become special later?

1100
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: Do you think I never really got to see him play.

1101
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: I do know. I just would hear stories about this

1102
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: Dirk's Bentley guy. And he wasn't there long. He was

1103
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 1: in and out like he They gave him a shift

1104
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: and then I think he signed his record deal. So

1105
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: you play of keys, and at one point you started

1106
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: playing keys for Luke now before we had looked did

1107
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: you play? Did you go on the road and travel

1108
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: with anybody before Luke Brian or was look still so

1109
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: young and knew that he was just a guy just

1110
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: before he had his record deal? Yeah, okay, so you

1111
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: were playing with Luke before a record deal. By So,

1112
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: how did you guys even meet? Who set you guys up?

1113
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: We had a mutual songwriting friends, um and he his

1114
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: name was Galen Griffin and and uh he had told

1115
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: or he had overheard Luke saying they needed a piano

1116
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: player for some weekend stuff and he threw my name

1117
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: in the hat. I met, you know, I met Michael Carter,

1118
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: who was Luke's guitar player, was also now he's col

1119
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: Swindell's producer and songwriter. UM. And we talked on the

1120
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: phone and he says, hey, let's do this and then

1121
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, you guys will hit it

1122
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: off there from Georgia. You're gonna love each other. So UM.

1123
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: So they hired me without even ever hearing me play

1124
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: went down and it was, you know, a couple of

1125
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: college towns. Um, but that was that was one of

1126
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: those When I got to do the shows with Luke,

1127
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: I knew immediately that he was he was, he was

1128
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: on his way. So you could tell with Luke even

1129
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: earlier that he was special. Why because I mean we

1130
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: he first of all, his his stage presence is is

1131
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: the same as it's always been. I mean, he's just

1132
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: he is that guy. And we would do these shows

1133
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: in these college towns and I was blown away, like

1134
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I'm they give me a CD to

1135
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: learn these songs and and I've never heard these songs before.

1136
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: But we'd go down and play Milledgeville, and we'd go

1137
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: down and play Statesboro, Georgia, and we play Athens, Georgia,

1138
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: and it would be completely sold out. Everybody's singing every

1139
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: single word to every song he's singing. I'm talking about

1140
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: all of his all of his original songs. I'm like,

1141
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: how's he doing this? How did he do this? But

1142
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: it was it was a big deal back then. The

1143
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: thing about Luke Too, and I like Luke, and I

1144
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: just the preface is that he's a good dude. And

1145
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: you expect someone to that big, maybe not to be that,

1146
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of lose it a bit. Looks

1147
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: a good dude. He's always I mean, he's a good

1148
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: dude and so um, you just wouldn't expect Luke Too.

1149
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: And I've seen him do it before alone, sit down

1150
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: at a piano and just and and people will give

1151
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: Luke craps of times because he gets up of dances

1152
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: and help dance. They'll do some mack lamore. But set

1153
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: that guy down at a piano and have him play.

1154
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Next time you have, you have him on

1155
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: a piano, tell him to render you some gospel songs.

1156
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: And he's played gospel. It's and it's everything that you

1157
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: want him to be, but don't expect him to be.

1158
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: And then he is and you're like, wow, So you

1159
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: play with Luke now? Were you with him when he

1160
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: got a deal or were you gone by that point?

1161
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: Had he we had already he had already decided, Um,

1162
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: I didn't need to be aside man. So he decided

1163
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: did he fire you in a way and in a

1164
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: good way or a back? It was great, he said,

1165
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: He says, man, I want to help you. Did you

1166
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: believe him? I mean, I had no other reason. I

1167
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: had no reason not to because someone has to me, Hey,

1168
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fire you, but like I'll come on. It

1169
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: was it was all I mean immediately. I mean one

1170
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: of them is like, hey, I want to help you.

1171
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: Want to introduce you to my publisher. Okay, so he

1172
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: really like led to you in a direction that he

1173
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: invited me to town. Uh Me and Michael, his guitar

1174
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: player at the time. We started writing together and those

1175
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: were some of my first co writes. Um. He introduced

1176
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: me to a guy named uh John Maybe who was

1177
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: married to Connie Harrington. She wrote a bunch of big

1178
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: songs Terry Clark, y'all y'all, and then I drive your truck. Um,

1179
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: and before I met Connie. Before I met Connie, he

1180
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: introduced me to John, and John said, well, it's funny,

1181
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, meeting you today. He said, my wife Connie

1182
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: needs a demo singer for a song. This is years ago,

1183
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: and um, he said, are you available? I said yeah,

1184
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: So he hooked me up with Connie. My very first

1185
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: paid demo was your What was the song? Remember Somebody's

1186
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: Somebody Somebody Somebody? What was that song? It never got

1187
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: okay because I'm thinking and I don't want to be

1188
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: dominant be here. I just don't know. To be honest,

1189
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: I just don't know it. Honestly, there's no songs I've

1190
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: ever done gotten cut except for one that. It was

1191
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: a song called Braid My Hair that Randy o One

1192
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: did for St. Jude Ran. Yeah, I even know the song.

1193
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: He sings it whenever I go to Saint Jude and

1194
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: he's demoed that song. Wow. Okay, so you're a demo singer.

1195
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: So here you are? You moving up the ladder. When

1196
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: do you start to get sniffed from labels? Oh that wasn't. Um,

1197
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: that wasn't until after the whole Tracy Bird thing. Okay,

1198
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: so you play kids for Tracy Bird? So how did

1199
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: that end up happening? Um? His tour managers house sitter

1200
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: was good friends with my wife and once again It

1201
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: was one of those she overheard Tracy needing the piano player,

1202
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: and they hired me, gave me a CDs, some CDs

1203
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: to learn, and never never auditioned or anything. Just got

1204
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: on the bus one night, went to the three shows

1205
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: and on the way home, they says, you want the gig,

1206
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: it's yours. What was the highlight of your first Tracy

1207
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: Bird show? Oh, the highlight was when I messed up

1208
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: big time like they they did this Ricky Skaggs song

1209
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: and there's a no that it stops, but I let

1210
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: us sustain over the entire It was just held it. Yeah,

1211
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: I held out and everybody else stopped and then they

1212
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: all looked at me and that was That's That's my

1213
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: one memory from the very first Tracy Bird show. So

1214
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: from Tracy Bird, when do you go, Okay, I want

1215
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: to grab a guitar and I want to be artist.

1216
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing this all on Little Broadway at the same time,

1217
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: and this is when you're grinding because you can play.

1218
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: The thing with Craig too, by the way, is that

1219
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: we did but in the show thing for years is

1220
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: that we just throw a song at a mc. Craig

1221
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: knows every song because you kind of had to when

1222
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: you would play for hours at a time, right, so,

1223
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: and if you didn't, had to figure it out really quick. Yeah,

1224
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: you do four song, four hours of music, and then

1225
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, the occasional twenty dollar tip comes in for

1226
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: a song you never heard, you go home and learn

1227
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: it just in case it gets caught again, you know,

1228
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: or requested. But I'm I'm playing Lower Broadway all the

1229
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: while doing the Tracy birth thing too. Um. So there

1230
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: was a bartender at the stage where I played. She

1231
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: was dating a guy that was in the radio promo business. Um.

1232
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: And she invited him down and she said, you need

1233
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: to come see this guy. Um. And he came down

1234
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: and he he would come down every Tuesday night from

1235
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean probably two years, always telling me, Hey, we're

1236
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: gonna do something you great, YadA YadA, all that. And

1237
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: I had gotten to the point where I'm like, okay,

1238
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: put your money where your mouth is. So one night

1239
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: he was he came down. He's like, look, we're ready

1240
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: to do this. H we want you to be our guy. Um,

1241
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring Keith Steagall down to see you that.

1242
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: He's a producer. He produced all the Alan Jackson stuff,

1243
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: all the Zach brown stuff. Um, And honestly, he was

1244
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: number one on my list if I could hand pick producers.

1245
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: When I first moved to town. He was my guy.

1246
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: And so I couldn't believe it. I said, well, give

1247
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: me at least give me twenty four hours notice so

1248
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: I can prepare. So sure enough, he says, hey, we'll

1249
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: be done this date. Um, We're gonna be there from

1250
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: seven to eight. I said, all right, I'll be ready.

1251
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: So I hit him with forty five minutes of everything

1252
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: I had, and Keith said, come by the office tomorrow.

1253
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: What's everything you have that your originals? He throw a

1254
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: couple of covers. Yeah, I didn't do any coaches. See

1255
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: the originals? Originals? Could you tell by his face? Because

1256
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, you auditions, and I audition for acting jobs

1257
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: and hosting jobs, and he watched the faces. Were you

1258
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: watching his mannerisms? And and how are you feeling as

1259
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: it was happening? He was. And now that I've known

1260
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: him for a little while, he he was as excited

1261
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: as he would have ever gotten. Um, which at the

1262
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: moment was kind of not the best facial expressions you

1263
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: would expect, you know, for somebody that was excited about

1264
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: seeing some music that they were wanting to do something with.

1265
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: So I didn't know how to take it. But when

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01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: he invited me to the office the next day, that

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01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: was that was a good sign. And and that was

1268
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: in August of oh eight. You sign a record deal.

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: Signed a deal in September two thousand nine, So it

1270
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: took a year to negotiate um and then started the

1271
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: record making the record, and then started my radio tour

1272
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: July two thousand ten. And then Family Men came out,

1273
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: and so your first song was Family Man. They're the

1274
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: world excited to hear on the radio the first time?

1275
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: My goodness. I mean it's it's not just the first time,

1276
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 1: it's every time I hear my song, but the first

1277
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: time you hear your song on an unsolicited you know where,

1278
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: it's not like you're about to play I'm into the station. Yeah,

1279
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty cool. Revolves around It's my

1280
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: sacred sting grounds you mentioned earlier. The Cole Swindell think

1281
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: is the Cole Swindell link because him and Luke were

1282
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: working against he was like working merch for Luke, working

1283
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: for Luke or did that did that different? But but

1284
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: when Cole moved to town, he wasn't he wasn't doing

1285
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: merch for Luke or wait he may he. Okay, I

1286
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: don't know the timeline for Cold, but I didn't know

1287
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: that when he When Cole first moved to town, we

1288
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: met immediately. I think it was through Luke and through

1289
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: Michael Carter, and we hit it off and we hung out.

1290
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean all that, I mean it was we we

1291
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: hung out a lot. So you have a deal. You

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01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: have a song, do you think? And family and peaked

1293
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: out of the peak, so it picked the twelve. Do

1294
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, I got this now? Like man, you're

1295
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: like I figured it out, Like it's absolutely And as

1296
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: I ask you right now, do you think Kevin figured out? No, No,

1297
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: that was It's very humbling to see your first song

1298
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: do extremely well and then the second song do what

1299
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: Fish did and have almost a half million downloads you know, uh,

1300
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: and then the third song I do well at all?

1301
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: And third song would be when I get it? And

1302
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: so the song did not do well. It went to

1303
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: thirty eight. So it goes to thirty eight and you

1304
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: start to think, man, this is an omaly that I'm

1305
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: not hitting it or is it realization of maybe it's

1306
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: not as easy as I thought it was. It was

1307
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: it was one of those man, you know, because people

1308
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: ask me all the time and man, how did you

1309
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: get your record deal? And my my response is it's

1310
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 1: that's the easy part keeping it. It is a hard part.

1311
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: You know, Are you making money inside your deal to

1312
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: live a life where you can actually, like afford a

1313
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: truck and a house payment or is it still a struggle.

1314
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: It's even more of a struggle because now you've got

1315
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: money to pay back. We me and my wife we

1316
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: do well. We we um we have we make im

1317
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: a enough money for us. She's she's making money too

1318
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: with her personal training. But we are able to take

1319
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: care of ourselves and our family and the needs we have. UM.

1320
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: But if if we if you were to ask me

1321
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: or am I already for retirement? I would I would

1322
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: say no, you know what I mean? You still love

1323
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: going on stage? I love it. I mean it's it's

1324
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: because I still love going on the radio, and I

1325
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: do it every day like I live for going on

1326
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: the air, and I live for going on this stage

1327
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: and doing stand up comedy like those I get some.

1328
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: I do it all and it's a thrill to everything.

1329
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: And that's how I know that's what I'm supposed to

1330
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: be doing. I'm the same way, like, I don't. I

1331
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: never it. I didn't music chose me. I didn't choose it.

1332
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: And that's just how I look at it. It's not

1333
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: anything other than it's I feel like this is what

1334
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: I was put here to do. I have and you

1335
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: have daughters, yes, anymore like you you're gonna try get

1336
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: a boy or no, no, no, we're done. I took

1337
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: care of that. So having girls, I mean, that's got

1338
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: to be. It's you and all women like I grew

1339
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: up with all women. All women. We got two girls.

1340
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 1: My wife, my dog, and my cat are both girls.

1341
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: It's and your animals are all girls. So, um, which

1342
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: daughter did you bring up this thing? Let it go?

1343
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,479
Speaker 1: Chris espressly, right, okay, So this is on the show

1344
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: a year and a half persod ago. She comes up,

1345
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: let go back, andymore, let go turn away and saying yes, stay,

1346
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: let the storm never anyway. And I still get I

1347
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: remember her singing at the studio, I haven't heard them

1348
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: so long's it's so good and I'm gonna tell you now.

1349
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: And we were texting back and forth a couple of

1350
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: weeks ago and you sent me a video of her sing.

1351
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: By the way, she's got some swagger now like she

1352
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: like it looks like that might be what she wants

1353
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: to do. As as as bad as I hate to

1354
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: admit it, I think it's chosen her. She sings and

1355
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: she demands the room. How old is she now? She

1356
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: she just she's eight and a half. Okay, so she's

1357
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: eight and a half years old, And I'm so correct?

1358
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: Is me a video? And I look at the video

1359
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: and I think this is Craig my body sending me

1360
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: a video And I've watched your kids grow up in

1361
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: the last two years, and so I don't post it

1362
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: anymore anything because I think this is just the thing.

1363
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: And then I see other places if you put it

1364
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: out a couple I was like, dude, I had to

1365
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: put that out. I thought it was so good she did,

1366
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: and it's up on the internet. I ended up not

1367
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: putting it up because other people have put it up.

1368
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: But if you want to see and you're playing guitar,

1369
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: was okay, that's what it was. She was playing guitar

1370
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: and perstially singing, and what was the song? She was

1371
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: Kelsey's song Peter Ben And I'm just like man like,

1372
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: I've watched this girl girl from in kindergarten. So that

1373
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: was those three years. Uh yeah, three solid years ago.

1374
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: You're proud. I'm very proud. I mean, is it Yeah,

1375
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: she's she's uh, you know, we get asked all the time,

1376
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: if if, if she's gonna follow in our steps because

1377
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: her mom is a great singer to um and if if,

1378
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: if she wants to, but it's it's up to her.

1379
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna make it available for her. If she

1380
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help her out. Do you teach her music?

1381
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: Where we just started last week and she's got piano lessons,

1382
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to teach her. She sings on She's

1383
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: on pitch already, her her pitch and listen, I'm I'm bragging.

1384
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I recognize she's around it

1385
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: too as well talent. I mean, her pitch is incredible.

1386
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'm driving down the road in my truck

1387
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: and she's in the back just doing acapella stuff, working

1388
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: on licks, doing these Megan Trainer licks, and I'm like, wow, yeah,

1389
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: she one gets to be around people who can sing

1390
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: a wall and two when your parents sing. I mean,

1391
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: I believe that there's there's a connection between being in

1392
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: the womb too, like men. Mendy her mom had an

1393
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: acoustic gig every Monday at Legends Corner from two to six,

1394
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: and it got to where Mindy was having to hold

1395
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: her guitar sideways for her belly. So the resonation Lord,

1396
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: the resonance of the guitar on her belly and hearing

1397
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: us sing every you know, every Monday. I feel like

1398
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: that had a lot to do with her having music

1399
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: when she was born. Why does Mendy not play? She

1400
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville to pursue music. She um it, you know,

1401
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: her didn't get drawn. That's and that's the does she

1402
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: still hope? No, she's and she's okay with it. You know,

1403
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: she h for the longest time. And we wrote songs together.

1404
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, we had a song together on

1405
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: my second album called topless Um. And she's she is

1406
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: the superwoman of all superwomen. She takes care of them

1407
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: girls because I mean, honestly, when I'm gone, I'm and

1408
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: she's a single mom. Uh, it's dance, it's school, it's uh,

1409
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: she trains, you know, it's so she's happy. She's happy

1410
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: with with whe where her life is. The road has

1411
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: has led her now. She she does love music, don't

1412
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: get me wrong. And we we still play as a family,

1413
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: like we'll we'll play music and we'll sit around the

1414
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: campfire and do stuff, and and the occasional songwriters around

1415
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: that she gets invited to, you know, we'll I'll go

1416
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: in and you know, she'll call me and it's it's

1417
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I do miss I do miss

1418
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: playing just me and her on Lord Broadway that I

1419
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: brought you to together. Yeah, she hired me to play

1420
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: piano for she was one of my six Knights of

1421
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: playing piano. Man. That's crazy. And we've been together ever since.

1422
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: Are you grateful just in general at this point in

1423
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: your life right now, as as anybody can ever be.

1424
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I get to, I get to I get

1425
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: I get frustrated a lot with my line of work.

1426
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: But I still get to wake up knowing that I'm

1427
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: going to go be on stage and sing country music

1428
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: and get and get paid to do it. It's a

1429
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a surreal thing right now. His song

1430
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: is Outskirts of Heaven. When I outskirts Heaven where there's roads,

1431
01:12:53,320 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: fields and fishing, where Trees and Blues, Guys and dreams.

1432
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: Lord when I die, the oscars him. I believe you

1433
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: when you tell me this, I'll say it again, though.

1434
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: I hope that you're so proud of that song, even

1435
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: if it were to stop tomorrow. I am. And I

1436
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: tell that every time I'm with with anybody, when it

1437
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: comes to me trying to convince them to play the song,

1438
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, what if if it all went

1439
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: away tomorrow? The messages that I get on Facebook and

1440
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram and all that about how this song

1441
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: has helped them deal with certain situations, That's That's all

1442
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: that matters to me. Mike, anything like that's Craig. After

1443
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: the interview, Mike call, he has a couple of questions, lingering, Yeah,

1444
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: well is your daughter? Does she gravitate towards country? Men

1445
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 1: want to know she's she's a huge Megan Trainer fan, which,

1446
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: by the way, Megan Trainer heavy country, like we're talking

1447
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: about I think last week, like Kaylyn Smith was in

1448
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: and Caitlin and Meghan wrote Megan Trainer's song um like

1449
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm Gonna lose you. I'm gonna love you like I'm

1450
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 1: gonna lose you. That's Morton Pressley's most viral video on

1451
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: Facebook together Together. But yeah, she but she loves Kelsey.

1452
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying she don't like country music

1453
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: at all. She she just her friends. They you know,

1454
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: they lean more towards pop with the stuff they listened to. Cool.

1455
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: Is that your first tattoo right there? I've been kind

1456
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: of staring at it the whole time. You got Colorada? No,

1457
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: this is this is my fifth tattoo. And but what

1458
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: is that? Because it's the coloring is new one. It's

1459
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: an American flag, Okay, and I've had it about a month,

1460
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: but I went back and had the red put in

1461
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: the ripes so that it would be very I don't know,

1462
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: pop a little better, looks awesome anything else? Mike, what

1463
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: was the first song you learned how to playing guitar?

1464
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: On guitar? Yeah? Um? What was it? Oh? Today started

1465
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: loving you again? Was that? Basically? Ge chords and dye

1466
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: back where I really always been. I got over you

1467
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: just long enough to let my hearty man, and a

1468
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: day I started loving you. My uncle was a guitar player.

1469
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: He he had a band. They were my mom's brother

1470
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: had a had a Kiss tribute band. He was a

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Speaker 1: league talk. So yeah, he's so he That's the very

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Speaker 1: first song I ever learned how to play. I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the chat. No think I'm I have had a

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Speaker 1: great time. This is that. This is cool And obviously

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Speaker 1: you know I'm a fan and a friend and not

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Speaker 1: maybe that order, I think, but if but friend first,

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Speaker 1: because I think, yeah, I listen, I'd never listen to you.

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Speaker 1: I hate let people bring songs go ahead and play

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Speaker 1: for you in front of your face. And I think

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Speaker 1: You're probably the only person I've ever let that happen

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Speaker 1: to it in my history. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: remember coming into the studio and I was like, I

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Speaker 1: was like, I don't wanna do this because I gotta

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Speaker 1: because I have to do the thing where I have

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Speaker 1: to act like I'm loving it, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I want to hear it. And it's just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you might be the only person I've ever let that

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Speaker 1: happen with because I just don't do I hate it

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you did. I but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: that was not my idea. And you know what's funny.

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Speaker 1: You came in and with Mary Forest, who's my managers,

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Speaker 1: and like she she's I called her my babysitter because

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Speaker 1: she managed everything that I do from you know, the

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Speaker 1: books and the music and she and she by the way,

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Speaker 1: she's fantastic. Well she's I love her to death. I

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Speaker 1: was even texted her when she came to work for

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Speaker 1: you guys or for you, I said, I hate to

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Speaker 1: see you go, but I know you're gonna love that gig. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She left a really good job working at your label

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Speaker 1: to come and run me. And she's the best human.

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Speaker 1: Holy crap. I really have enjoyed this talk. It's fun

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01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: to sit down and just get to talk for hour

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01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: and there'll be no rules and just see what comes out.

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Speaker 1: So everybody, if you're listening, you know and you like it,

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Speaker 1: supported spend a dollar twenty nine Outskirts of Heaven. When sir,

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Speaker 1: please send all my warmth to the family. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's Craig Campbell and that's gonna wrap up Elisode seven

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Speaker 1: of the Bobby Cast, brought to you by No One Yet,

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Speaker 1: No sponsor yet, no sponsor. I think they told me

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: I can't get one notes. I need to find a sponsor.

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01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, go get one. They can buy a

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Speaker 1: sponsorship and I was like dang already like yeah, so

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Speaker 1: anyway they're listening. He wants to be sponsored the show.

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Speaker 1: Let me know Mike d Stro producing the show. That's

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Speaker 1: m I K E d E E S t r

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Speaker 1: O on Snapchat. Now, Craig Campbell is Craig Campbell TV.

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Speaker 1: Why Craig Campbell TV. By the way, short story, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Craig Campbell dot com was taken. Craig Campbell dot net

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01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: was taken. They my Bigger Picture family was already working

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Speaker 1: with Big Kenny at the time and he had Big

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Speaker 1: Kenny dot tv, so dot tv was available. So my

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Speaker 1: website is Craig Campbell dot tv. So then we just

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Speaker 1: made all the social media Craig Campbell TV. Interesting long

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Speaker 1: story short, I appreciate the time, and uh, they'll look

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Speaker 1: back at the career and you know, I'm always rooting

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Speaker 1: for you, dude. I'm appreciate it. All right, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you and next time it's the Bobby Cast. That's another episode,

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Speaker 1: another edition. Thank you very much, and until next time,

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Speaker 1: good everybody.