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Speaker 2: It's been a long time coming, baby, and it's finally here.
Speaker 2: The first three episodes of Iron Hawk have arrived. They
Speaker 2: are longer than we expected, each one around four eight
Speaker 2: to fifty minutes. They are very aesthetically in the world
Speaker 2: of the MCU. Yes, but what do we think about them? Well,
Speaker 2: guess what we're gonna recap. We're gonna tell you who's
Speaker 2: in them, We're gonna tell you what we think is
Speaker 2: gonna happen. We're gonna tell you how we feel about it.
Speaker 2: So let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, iron Heart Episode one, let's get this out of
Speaker 1: the way. I want to get this, just get.
Speaker 2: It out of the way. Let's just shut it out.
Speaker 1: We're bumped a little bit, a little bit, a little bit,
Speaker 1: we're a.
Speaker 2: Little bit bummed.
Speaker 1: We wish Iron Heart was better, and there's various problems
Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about them. But let's first recap
Speaker 1: this show. So we open on a selfie video uh
Speaker 1: the uh that Reary Williams has recorded of her hanging
Speaker 1: out with her friend Natalie talking about their aspirations and
Speaker 1: life and stuff. And this will all be come important
Speaker 1: because we're gonna find out soon enough that Natalie has
Speaker 1: sadly passed away.
Speaker 2: I also need to say, yes, I did immediately have
Speaker 2: a little, a little knee wobble, because the aesthetic of
Speaker 2: this opening kind of flashback is a real choice and
Speaker 2: does not immediately I think set the show up for success.
Speaker 2: I think it looks very un emcu and very kind
Speaker 2: of more like ya TV that But you know what,
Speaker 2: after that, I feel like the show actually does start
Speaker 2: to look really great. But yeah, that was I did
Speaker 2: have a wobble. I did have a wobble there.
Speaker 1: We open up at M I T with a voiceover.
Speaker 1: We're kind of watching realgoing about her day. She's talking
Speaker 1: about her her research, her technology.
Speaker 2: She's back, living's living up. She's like it's going great.
Speaker 1: She's back from Wakanda after the events of Wakanda forever.
Speaker 1: But she needs a re sources really, you know, like
Speaker 1: now that she doesn't have a nation state's backing behind her,
Speaker 1: she needs like real, real money to continue her work
Speaker 1: at a Tony Stark level. Of course, she is a
Speaker 1: Tony Stark fellow, so she feels the weight of that legacy,
Speaker 1: and so she's been hustling. And part of the hustling
Speaker 1: has been she's been like trading her independently produced technology,
Speaker 1: including like test projects for students at other universities.
Speaker 2: For cash.
Speaker 1: And one of the things she talks about wanting to
Speaker 1: do with her research is help first responders save lives.
Speaker 1: But all in all, it's not going great and really
Speaker 1: needs to extend that Tony Stark grant so she can
Speaker 1: continued her work on Tony Stark's time.
Speaker 2: May he rest in peace. It's not like he doesn't
Speaker 2: have the money. Well he's and sadly, if he was
Speaker 2: still around, I think it would be no problemly be
Speaker 2: more open to it than the university.
Speaker 1: Right, But now there's like a board that has to
Speaker 1: like okay stuff, and it's there's a lot of red tape.
Speaker 1: And she is a four year undergrad, so you know,
Speaker 1: and she also doesn't want to do class work.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: She's like, can I just can I just have the
Speaker 1: university pay for me to just be in the research
Speaker 1: lab and not do schoolwork? And they're like no, in fact,
Speaker 1: you're expelled.
Speaker 2: So she gets yeah, because we found out that you've
Speaker 2: been doing you know what, you've been selling it to
Speaker 2: like every other ivy.
Speaker 1: League around like, which is like a real I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a real you can't do that.
Speaker 2: That's look, I'm legitimate specific but like I get it. Also,
Speaker 2: I would well, I.
Speaker 1: Mean like if you get caught, that's it's like, don't
Speaker 1: get if you get Also I want to say as well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that.
Speaker 2: It is very interesting to me. I think this sums
Speaker 2: up a problem that the MCU has, which is like,
Speaker 2: if you've been to Wakanda, why would you just just
Speaker 2: stay in Wakanda? Honestly, like, rather than this version of
Speaker 2: the MCU outside of it, it seemed like they wouldn't
Speaker 2: they were you know, I think they weren't. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean they were not seen.
Speaker 1: On having an American hangout, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I think the general AIDS is a distrust. So she
Speaker 1: gets expelled and so re repacks up her stuff. She
Speaker 1: basically steals her suit from the school, which comes installed
Speaker 1: with like a m I T. Microsoft Word inspired AI
Speaker 1: named Trevor, who she can barely get to set a
Speaker 1: flight clippy, very much clippy. And then so she flies
Speaker 1: back to Chicago. As she is flying over the city,
Speaker 1: a we kind of quick cut to a technologically skilled
Speaker 1: group of breaking artists who are currently robbing a mansion.
Speaker 1: And this gang includes two members named Rampage uh also
Speaker 1: named Stuart played by Eric Andre who I did not
Speaker 1: know was in this show and who is barely in
Speaker 1: the show. Don't blink because that's what you're gonna see
Speaker 1: of Rampage.
Speaker 2: Basically, yes, and they are all of these characters in
Speaker 2: a classic kind of Marvel TV situation. Rampage Ak Stewart
Speaker 2: is a Marvel character. Slug is a Marvel character. We
Speaker 2: also have the Blood Brothers, who here are reimagined as
Speaker 2: the Blood Siblings, which I find really funny because I'm like,
Speaker 2: just still call them the Blood Brothers. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're mass but sure, but yeah, like actual lots of
Speaker 2: Marvel deep cut character pulls it if you do want
Speaker 2: to explore and see like who these characters were in
Speaker 2: the comics and what it means to kind of have
Speaker 2: them here.
Speaker 1: And their leader is park Robbins aka the Hood, and
Speaker 1: we see this heist kind of go sideways because Rampage
Speaker 1: isn't that great at his job, which is like the
Speaker 1: tech guy, like the tech fixer guy, and the alarm
Speaker 1: goes off and the Blood siblings getting a brawl security
Speaker 1: and everybody asked to quickly escape. They go back like
Speaker 1: you know. They meet up later under a bridge and
Speaker 1: Parker's like, Rampage, I think we might have to fire
Speaker 1: a rampage and as the kind of saw he does
Speaker 1: kind of suck and just at that moment, Real's flying
Speaker 1: over town.
Speaker 2: They look up to like what's that? Re really loses
Speaker 2: control over suit.
Speaker 1: It crashes like pieces like file all over the place.
Speaker 1: Re Re's walking back to her house with like the
Speaker 1: pieces of pursuit like under her arms. She's getting roasted
Speaker 1: by the citizenry. She meets a kid named Landon who
Speaker 1: charges her twenty dollars to help her take her stuff home.
Speaker 1: If you're thinking, wow, that's a lot of characters for
Speaker 1: the first seven minutes of a show, I think you
Speaker 1: kind of keyed in on one of the problems this
Speaker 1: show has, which is in the first I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like ten people that have been like introduced, that's not
Speaker 1: including the Dean and then the the Dean's assistant, and
Speaker 1: like a lot going on.
Speaker 2: Right away, yeah, right away. And I will say I
Speaker 2: think that this is also one of those moments where
Speaker 2: you are seeing the glimpses of the greatness that this
Speaker 2: show has, because I do think that really walking through
Speaker 2: with her busted up suit is like really funny. Ye
Speaker 2: And I think that the way that they do the title,
Speaker 2: where the title is basically made up of her like
Speaker 2: smashing into the ground, there's a lot of comic book
Speaker 2: fun kind of moments here, and there's also this kind
Speaker 2: of understanding of the community, but into cutting that with
Speaker 2: the introduction of the gang. And this will go to
Speaker 2: my point that I think is really, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: the issue with the show, which is the show is
Speaker 2: six episodes, but it's paced like a twelve episode Netflix
Speaker 2: ya show yea, And it has enough energy and action
Speaker 2: for a twelve episode show. So I do think the
Speaker 2: truncated nature of it is an issue because otherwise I
Speaker 2: thought the actual introduction of really and also this kind
Speaker 2: of notion of like what is it like to live
Speaker 2: in the MCU and you're not as rich as Kate
Speaker 2: Bishop Paul is really interesting and everyone is basically just
Speaker 2: like how does this work? Like who? Well, I kind
Speaker 2: of have a power or I have a skill, like
Speaker 2: can I make this work? Like how does it work
Speaker 2: for me? I think there is something there that is
Speaker 2: so interesting to be explored, but it's very hard to
Speaker 2: explore it with twenty characters and six episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she re rearives home and at the front door
Speaker 1: she hears like her mom talking with her friends about
Speaker 1: Rere's expulsion.
Speaker 2: She already knows about it.
Speaker 1: This is because she's like been bribing a janitor to
Speaker 1: keep her informed about stuff. We meet Rere's friend Zai Xavier,
Speaker 1: her friend Natalie's brother.
Speaker 2: Who's another important character.
Speaker 1: Another hugely important character. This is like plus the friends
Speaker 1: who also have like speaking roles about crystals and stuff is.
Speaker 2: Who by the way, one of them is he's already
Speaker 2: like whoa like iconic voice different right now and like
Speaker 2: voice acting and then.
Speaker 1: But it's like it is so many characters like right away.
Speaker 1: So Zay gives really the perfect reason to like leave
Speaker 1: the house and not get dragged for getting expelled from MIT.
Speaker 1: They go to the lakefront talk about what she wants
Speaker 1: to do next. She wants to make a better suit,
Speaker 1: she wants to make better ai. She wants to take
Speaker 1: stock tech to the next level. She thinks, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: go to Dubai. There's a lot of money there and
Speaker 1: I can continue my research. But you know, Chicago in
Speaker 1: general feels too small time for her. She's thinking about leaving.
Speaker 1: Zay takes really to see a mural of her stepdad
Speaker 1: and Natalie that the community put up and really painful
Speaker 1: memories for it's right next to the family garage that
Speaker 1: her dad used to run, and we don't yet know
Speaker 1: what happened to them, but it's clear it's very traumatic.
Speaker 1: And you know, day is like, hey, whatever happened to
Speaker 1: that old barracouda car, you know, the Barracuda.
Speaker 2: Like seventies like muscle car.
Speaker 1: What happened to that?
Speaker 2: She's a guy sold it.
Speaker 1: To get money for the suit and Zay's apologizing for
Speaker 1: not being there that night, and then he gives her
Speaker 1: a mixtape he made literally a cassette tape and a Walkman.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, as this is happening, one of Parker's gang
Speaker 1: is watching it. This is a guy named Jonathan who's
Speaker 1: like Parker's cousin, is kind of like his closest beste.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This led me to ask whether like cassette tapes are back, Like,
Speaker 1: are they back as a thing?
Speaker 2: They Okay, you put this in the group chat. Let's
Speaker 2: have a little a sidebar quickly. I believe they are back.
Speaker 2: I see kids wearing Walkmans they make branded Hello Kitty Walkman's.
Speaker 2: Now those are back. They have snoopy Walkmans, and especially
Speaker 2: like indie bands, but like actual indie bands, they all
Speaker 2: back to making cassette tape releases. I have cassette tapes
Speaker 2: from some of my friend's bands. I think that coming back,
Speaker 2: it's never gonna be a vinyl level comeback, because vinyl
Speaker 2: actually sounds fucking fantastic Vinyl sounds, but tapes are at
Speaker 2: like an experiential thing. And I think as kids are
Speaker 2: getting more and kind of tired with the digital world,
Speaker 2: I think they like something tangible that they can touch,
Speaker 2: and I think cassette tapes a part of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So later, re Rey is at a different like mechanics
Speaker 1: slash scrap shop place and she's looking for scrap for
Speaker 1: her armor to do repairs. She doesn't have the heart
Speaker 1: to break it to the owner of the place, who
Speaker 1: remembers her. It's like, oh my god, you're the genius
Speaker 1: see the Tony Stark fellow, Like, what's going on now?
Speaker 2: You must be like rich and crazy. It must be crazy.
Speaker 2: She can.
Speaker 1: She's like trying to like broach the topic of like
Speaker 1: can I get this scrap on credit? When Jonathan comes
Speaker 1: up and is like, I got it and he pays
Speaker 1: for it, which can never be good. Then he hands
Speaker 1: her very bad, very bad instantly every kind of knows
Speaker 1: but not she doesn't listen to that.
Speaker 2: Gut enough for me.
Speaker 1: Hands her a card for Desposito's Pizza. I believe it
Speaker 1: was where Parker's secret headquarter is. She goes to the
Speaker 1: pizza place. It does not seem to be operational, but
Speaker 1: there's an elevator in the back, and uh, this actually
Speaker 1: was this whole sequence I thought was really cool. Gas starts.
Speaker 1: She goes in she's gonna go up to like the
Speaker 1: second floor where the car tells her to go, but
Speaker 1: then gas starts filling the car, and then.
Speaker 2: Parker's voice comes over. He's like, this is your test.
Speaker 1: Can you escape this elevator in three minutes before the
Speaker 1: gas overcomes you?
Speaker 2: And she does? She like she very sore coded, but
Speaker 2: I thought very saw coded. Yeah, Also like I think
Speaker 2: it's a good it is a good foreteller of like, Babe,
Speaker 2: this is probably not a good idea, Like this is
Speaker 2: a very kind of horror movie style yelling at the
Speaker 2: TV show like if that's what you have to do,
Speaker 2: it's probably gonna go badly for you. Let's be real.
Speaker 1: So she managed to do it, and she beats Rampage
Speaker 1: aka Stewart's Time by a lot, so Parker is absolutely
Speaker 1: in the clear to fire Rampage. And then Parker makes
Speaker 1: his pitch. It's like, listen, here's what we're offering, a
Speaker 1: place to use your gifts, your genius in a way
Speaker 1: that is useful, and we're gonna be taking down It's
Speaker 1: not He doesn't say this like in a kind of
Speaker 1: plain way, but he kind of hints it like Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be taking down people like kind of deserve it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like rich people, Yeah they.
Speaker 1: Can miss it and they're like, yeah, suck anyway. And
Speaker 1: then thirdly, money, you're gonna make money. You need that money,
Speaker 1: don't even She turns him down, but she can't leave
Speaker 1: right away because of the elevator. So now Parker turns
Speaker 1: up the volume on the offer. He opens up like
Speaker 1: a box of cash, and he gives her what looks
Speaker 1: like about ten grand yeah, in a like a wad,
Speaker 1: and he's like, here you go.
Speaker 2: And she's like, what are you doing? What? Like, what
Speaker 2: are we what's the job?
Speaker 1: Like, what are we actually gonna be doing to which
Speaker 1: come on, obviously something.
Speaker 2: Not legal but like not legal, babe, legal, And.
Speaker 1: She says, well, I don't want to hurt people, and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, don't worry, we're not gonna that's that's
Speaker 1: not gonna be part of it. But it's like, obviously
Speaker 1: gonna be very lucrative, so she can come.
Speaker 2: On, babe, let's be real. I'm like every time with
Speaker 2: it's like, here's ten thousand dollars, but don't worry. You
Speaker 2: won't have to anyone the thing that clearly most people
Speaker 2: would do. I will say even though you know, I
Speaker 2: think we are being honest about a feeling, I will say, also,
Speaker 2: guess what this is the classic setup in like a
Speaker 2: million different but here's the difference.
Speaker 1: Here's the difference. I mean, there's a reason why every
Speaker 1: heist movie is one last job because you need that
Speaker 1: what's the number? And I think it's not as apparent here,
Speaker 1: but it will become.
Speaker 2: A lost three. Yeah, how much does the suit?
Speaker 1: Yes, it will become apparent over these three episodes that
Speaker 1: you're like, well, how how many jobs are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like is it one job to like get a start?
Speaker 1: And is it two jobs? Like what's the number you
Speaker 1: need to.
Speaker 2: Hit to be? Like?
Speaker 1: I'm good because if we're talking stark level, you're never
Speaker 1: going to make billions of dollars doing this? So like,
Speaker 1: what what what is the what is the cutoff? What
Speaker 1: is the thing that?
Speaker 2: What is the goal?
Speaker 1: And I think that lack of a clear goal, even
Speaker 1: though she states up at the top, oh, I want
Speaker 1: to you know, I want to make a better suit
Speaker 1: for first responders. I want to make better checking this it.
Speaker 1: We never really return to that, and I find myself
Speaker 1: missing it. That's all okay, So you're you're right like,
Speaker 1: this is a setup that we've seen a million times before.
Speaker 2: She goes back home.
Speaker 1: Uh, she's spending all night rebuilding the suit before the
Speaker 1: job with Parker tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Parker's like, we have a job tomorrow eleven am. She's
Speaker 2: listened to his A's mix.
Speaker 1: She's getting emotional thinking about her dad and Natalie. It's
Speaker 1: clear like whatever happened is truly really terrible and it's violent,
Speaker 1: and she's shaken by this. Her mom sees her upset
Speaker 1: and tries to help, but like rebuffs her dives back
Speaker 1: into her work.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we kind of go to Parker.
Speaker 1: He's in his little bass preparing for the job by
Speaker 1: getting tattooed, listening to Nina simone Sinnerman, which is and
Speaker 1: the verse that they're on is all about like the
Speaker 1: the it's talking about like the Devil, which is.
Speaker 2: Like enjoying the numbers. We would definitely enjoy the music
Speaker 2: supervision on this show. The music is.
Speaker 1: Really really fun. Yeah, really really really good. So it's
Speaker 1: clear that like the Mephisto hints are very very strong.
Speaker 1: Right off jump, he goes inside like a vault that
Speaker 1: he has and he hangs up the hood. Meanwhile, really
Speaker 1: is like using her brain waves to create the AI
Speaker 1: in the suit, and it's going to take like four
Speaker 1: hours for her brain waves to like program the suit,
Speaker 1: which is a very iron Man that was like og
Speaker 1: iron Man, and there is some like that's how he
Speaker 1: controlled the suit was And I say as.
Speaker 2: Well, in that way, they do lean into a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff here that I'm assuming at some point was
Speaker 2: going to be part of Armor Wars. Yea, is that
Speaker 2: still happening. I don't know, because we do get this
Speaker 2: kind of cool concept of like an AI driven suit
Speaker 2: and does the person need to be in the suit,
Speaker 2: which is very very coded from the old Iron Man stuff,
Speaker 2: the eighties Armor war stuff, which I do think is
Speaker 2: really cool. I will say as well, I do think
Speaker 2: that I was kind of going back and rereading the comics,
Speaker 2: and I do think that a lot of what they're
Speaker 2: taking from with re Rey's stuff here is h is
Speaker 2: from the pre eviewing stuff, you know. And I do
Speaker 2: think that Eve is really where got her her chops
Speaker 2: and her life and her life outside of this kind
Speaker 2: of tragic backstory that Bendis had given her. And I
Speaker 2: think that this leans heavily on the tragic bas.
Speaker 1: So uh when she wakes up the next morning, the
Speaker 1: upload is finished and her AI appears and it's Natalie
Speaker 1: what whoa, Okay, whoa.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break. Let's take a quick break,
Speaker 2: and we'll be back to figure out how this happened.
Speaker 2: How it happened. We're back. Episode two.
Speaker 1: We open on re re arguing with her Natalie AI
Speaker 1: about whether or not she she's real.
Speaker 2: She's not.
Speaker 1: She's a hologram projected from the chest plate of her armor,
Speaker 1: and Natalie the Natalie AI appears to be like has
Speaker 1: all her it's her personality, it's her mannerisms.
Speaker 2: It's Natalie Reary is really freaked out. She doesn't want
Speaker 2: to come. Natalie the AI is.
Speaker 1: Like super insistent, like I'm Natalie Reary is like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to erase you and to start over because
Speaker 1: this is super weird, and like you're not doing what
Speaker 1: an AI should do, which is like help me. Instead
Speaker 1: you're arguing with me about like and refusing to run
Speaker 1: diagnostics and all this stuff. And then in the middle
Speaker 1: of all this, she gets a text from Parker and
Speaker 1: it's time for the first job. So that's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a lot.
Speaker 2: I will say that.
Speaker 1: There are ethical issues here that will dive into in
Speaker 1: a bit, But my first thought is this is forget
Speaker 1: the tech side of it, which has issues as well
Speaker 1: with regards to like Reary's genius, but it ethically where
Speaker 1: now where this is weird?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like if if the technology exists to
Speaker 1: bring me back after I'm dead, obviously people will do this.
Speaker 1: That said, yes, how would I feel about it? I
Speaker 1: feel like, ask me.
Speaker 2: First, you know, I agree, I would say, so this
Speaker 2: is from the Eve comics, but obviously something that I
Speaker 2: really like there is kind of like it's very clear
Speaker 2: that this is an AI and that it's AI Natalie,
Speaker 2: and it's meant to represent how Reary has you know,
Speaker 2: not dealt with that trauma and she wants to have
Speaker 2: Natalie back in her life. She still thinks about it,
Speaker 2: but I will say in I feel like in the
Speaker 2: show because we are seeing a real actress. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: a real person represents which we have never seen with
Speaker 2: AI and the MCU have always been the voiceover with
Speaker 2: Javis or Tom.
Speaker 1: Holland's clearly simulated like not a person that ever is interested.
Speaker 2: This definitely raises some questions of yes, is this fair?
Speaker 2: Like would you want to do it, Like, why is
Speaker 2: she uh, you know, trapped in her friend's suit? And
Speaker 2: I'm very interested with this. I feel like in the
Speaker 2: first three episodes they are definitely hinting to me this
Speaker 2: AI is like too humanly real. I feel like it
Speaker 2: hints that there is some kind of I agree, manipulate something.
Speaker 1: Else, somewhat something else going on, because I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like you need money, Like here's your thing,
Speaker 1: like you we can create AI that are completely just
Speaker 1: like the people that they represented, so literally.
Speaker 2: You would never ever if you have the technology to do,
Speaker 2: then you have to tech. It could be a black
Speaker 2: Mirror esque like CEO billionaire, Like you could be a
Speaker 2: billionaire ten nights. Yeah, go scan everyone's heads for ten minutes, babe.
Speaker 1: Go make the go to go to Silicon Valley, make
Speaker 1: the pitch, show people the tech demo, and I guarantee
Speaker 1: you you're.
Speaker 2: A billionaire overnight. Like, go get the money. I definitely agree, yea,
Speaker 2: And I love. What I really liked about the E
Speaker 2: version of this storyline is that we get this kind
Speaker 2: of like horror from rear and that that's kind of
Speaker 2: like so overwhelmed. But yeah, it's like I do feel
Speaker 2: like they just move too quickly, and she just.
Speaker 1: Like move Okay, that's part of what yes, because the
Speaker 1: eve part there is this she has a moment where
Speaker 1: she has to like yeah, there's the It's so emotional
Speaker 1: for her that she actually just turns it off and
Speaker 1: activates it and tries to work out.
Speaker 2: And we do get a little mention here like should
Speaker 2: I get a new one?
Speaker 1: But moreover in the E version of the story, re Rey,
Speaker 1: who is a genius, is like, how did this happen?
Speaker 2: I need to figure out, like what happened here? I
Speaker 2: understand that she.
Speaker 1: Needs to go to this heist job with Parker, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is a job situation.
Speaker 2: I'm curious enough about like why this happened and what
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 1: Anyway, she heads out and she finds out from Parker
Speaker 1: as he's like doing the little spiel for the gang.
Speaker 2: But what this is we are raiding this.
Speaker 1: CEO who created this project called Tunnel, which is like
Speaker 1: an under Chicago system of tunnels to alleviate traffics.
Speaker 2: It's like high tech tunnels. Maybe you drive your car
Speaker 2: down there. Also gets on a little platform in the
Speaker 2: very coded because that's what the boring company was supposed
Speaker 2: to do. So we get you can tell this show
Speaker 2: has been in the works for a long time and
Speaker 2: that is a that's definitely a storyline from about probably
Speaker 2: four years ago, because Ela must never made that happen.
Speaker 1: Guys, So they go. The Parker introduces the gang. We
Speaker 1: meet Slug from Madapoor, who is like the hacker. We
Speaker 1: meet extremely cool new addition to the black Pack cannon.
Speaker 1: There is a big black Kaka cannon in Hollywood, big
Speaker 1: fan of this edition. We meet Rob and Jerry, the
Speaker 1: sibling cage fighters. We meet Clown, who is like the
Speaker 1: explosives expert.
Speaker 2: We meet Parker's cousin John, who is like then.
Speaker 1: Doesn't do not then, Well, he's like the knife obsessive,
Speaker 1: but he also does like all like I'll drive all whatever,
Speaker 1: like he's like the jack of all trades and reread
Speaker 1: obviously he's taken rampage of Spot. The job is to
Speaker 1: disrupt and hijack the Sila Zarat, the CEO of Tunnel's
Speaker 1: Tunnels project, which the reasoning being well, it's destroying communities
Speaker 1: across Chicago, or has destroyed, and Sheila's doing this demo
Speaker 1: and it's the perfect time to like hijacket, so arcite's
Speaker 1: we get in the suit. We're gonna need you in
Speaker 1: the suit tonight. She runs a diagnostic on the suit
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be ready, and she's thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need help with this, Like how do I I
Speaker 1: need help getting this suit up and running? Maybe Ramcage
Speaker 1: can help.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I gotta tell you though, this was the first
Speaker 2: thing that took me out that are you's good? He's
Speaker 2: he's not good exactly like you. Never He's just some
Speaker 2: goofy guy like he why would he be able to
Speaker 2: help you? Do you not have any other friends? Like? Please,
Speaker 2: I know that you have another friend from m I
Speaker 2: T cool cool, surey.
Speaker 1: Full of like geniuses, like just go back to her
Speaker 1: and like you need the course to please. So she
Speaker 1: ends up going to the dark web and looking at
Speaker 1: names of like dark web geniuses who like trade in
Speaker 1: high tech illicit technology, and she finds this guy named
Speaker 1: Joe McGillicuddy. And meanwhile, now is like talking to her
Speaker 1: and like distracting her.
Speaker 2: And knows weight like has.
Speaker 1: Way too much of Natalie's full fledged memories and understanding
Speaker 1: about Natalie's life, like again, this AI is Natalie one
Speaker 1: hundred percent it's her, which how did this? Like?
Speaker 2: I agree with you, it feels like there must be
Speaker 2: some sort of magic. I was feeling like this is
Speaker 2: either a hood situation or if the show is gonna
Speaker 2: deliver on what the internet is guessing with Mephisto and
Speaker 2: Mephisto situation. I agree now, I was feeling like a
Speaker 2: hood type magical, some manipulation because it's too well formed.
Speaker 1: How would you as how would your memories? How would
Speaker 1: her memories of a person create the person? Like wouldn't
Speaker 1: you need the one to one person that the actual
Speaker 1: person's memories?
Speaker 2: Not like in the comics, it's the idea of like
Speaker 2: it's her perception of how Nashley would have grown up,
Speaker 2: whereas here it's basically full Natalie. She's arguing with her.
Speaker 2: I don't think that going into this mission with that
Speaker 2: AI of your friend is a clever idea, A rea like,
Speaker 2: that's my biggest thing? Is I by the way that
Speaker 2: get her?
Speaker 1: That would have been interesting if there was some serious
Speaker 1: dissonance between AI Natalie and real Natalie, like you look
Speaker 1: like her, you talk like her, but there's you obviously
Speaker 1: aren't like. But instead, like I kept on waiting for
Speaker 1: that kind of like ominous note to sound and it
Speaker 1: kind of never does. Yeah, but yeah, that's and then
Speaker 1: the other thing is, isn't this gonna be like super
Speaker 1: distracting and a like life or death mission.
Speaker 2: To that's you and also like your AI best friend
Speaker 2: who's also dead. I feel like, again, this is something
Speaker 2: where I do feel like if Natalie hadn't had to
Speaker 2: have been revealed at the end of the first episode,
Speaker 2: or she had been revealed at the end of the
Speaker 2: first episode, but we had a couple of episodes, maybe
Speaker 2: a bottle episode to explore that relationship, and then you know,
Speaker 2: and they they don't even get into the you know,
Speaker 2: the fun stuff that we kind of love with this,
Speaker 2: which is just like Jarvis is an acronym, you know,
Speaker 2: you have this Natalie is in the comics is the
Speaker 2: neuro autonomous technical Assistant and that intelligence and it's so
Speaker 2: good and uh yeah, I just again, I think that
Speaker 2: there needed to be a little more time. We talked
Speaker 2: about this in pre pro and I think that Joelle
Speaker 2: put it really well, which was kind of like tell
Speaker 2: a smaller story if you don't have the time, but
Speaker 2: we don't know this might have began meant to have
Speaker 2: nine twelve episodes and or style. So I, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is one of the first of Reari's decisions where I'm
Speaker 2: going to be like, babe, what you're doing. But also
Speaker 2: she's like twenty one, so I was also making a
Speaker 2: lot of bad choices back then. Yes, so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to judge too hard.
Speaker 1: Really like uploads Natalie out of the suit into her
Speaker 1: laptop so she can run the suit without any distractions.
Speaker 1: Then she leaves re re rents Landon's wagon to get
Speaker 1: the suit out to Evanston.
Speaker 2: On the train. Joe seems like literally a regular Joe.
Speaker 2: It's Alden Earnreich of Solo fame. She's talking to him
Speaker 2: about stuff.
Speaker 1: She gets into his house where because she helps him
Speaker 1: with his groceries, and Joe's She's like, so, what's up.
Speaker 1: I need a repulsor micro science y sounding thing, and
Speaker 1: just like what about She's like, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I need this science stuff or I'm gonna rat you
Speaker 1: out to the FBI. Here's where I'm like, okay, now,
Speaker 1: this is a thing that fast of all. First of all,
Speaker 1: I don't know like comics read would not be like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rat to the FBI.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: So here's another decision of rears where I'm like, did
Speaker 1: you really just like threaten to rat this guy out
Speaker 1: to the like you also you just met him like
Speaker 1: he had killed you.
Speaker 2: I know you're in they please, you're in his fancy
Speaker 2: suburban house.
Speaker 1: Well, Joe agrees, Okay, under penalty of being snitched out,
Speaker 1: I will drive you to my secret wear.
Speaker 2: Not setting up a good relationship with this person who
Speaker 2: clearly isn't called Joe by the way, Like even from here,
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I get it. I see who
Speaker 2: he is. He loves iron Man makes.
Speaker 1: Said I want to say this, everybody in this show
Speaker 1: is doing a great job act.
Speaker 2: They are acting their asses. I think I think this
Speaker 2: is a really and obviously like this in itself is
Speaker 2: kind of a problem, but ironically I think this is
Speaker 2: like a really great role for Elden Aaron Wright and
Speaker 2: shouldn't He's probably shouldn't be the standout, but he is
Speaker 2: one of the standouts. But yeah, it's it's also a
Speaker 2: very interesting character, as we'll get into and I actually
Speaker 2: find the relationship between him and re Re very very
Speaker 2: interesting because of who he is and who she is.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we'll get into it. But also, why is
Speaker 2: Natalie texting real time be letting that AI text you, bro?
Speaker 2: We seen these men falling in love with chat GTP.
Speaker 2: I mean in real life, do not let this guy text.
Speaker 2: Do not let this AI text you, babe.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's another issue. Not to get sidetracked, but
Speaker 1: I think all of this storyline kind of happening as
Speaker 1: we are made aware of numerous stories and numerous publications.
Speaker 1: Required has written a lot about this about people who
Speaker 1: are becoming either obsessed with their AI companions, their chat GPTs, whatever,
Speaker 1: or are having chat ebt as a story in the
Speaker 1: Times about this recently amplify their existing mental health issues
Speaker 1: to a to a scary degree because they're just constantly
Speaker 1: with what you believe.
Speaker 2: Yes, you live in a yes you do. You know, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not That's the thing is, it's not actually AI.
Speaker 2: It's a large language model, so it's basically just learning
Speaker 2: constantly and then wants you to use it more to
Speaker 2: learn more, so it affirms your beliefs. It's not And
Speaker 2: I think, like do I think that if this show
Speaker 2: was thirteen episodes long, maybe they would be an interesting
Speaker 2: inter interaction with that Maybe but do I think that
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to find out about like why, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't feel like the nat I feel
Speaker 2: like the Natalie stuff is getting out of hand very quickly,
Speaker 2: so too very quickly.
Speaker 1: So on the drive, Natalie is texting reredoun stopped and
Speaker 1: Joe begins crying and he won't.
Speaker 2: They're like, She's like, why are you crying?
Speaker 1: And he's like again he always looks like this is
Speaker 1: like actually a fun scene.
Speaker 2: And it's really good together.
Speaker 1: They are quite good together. The chemistry is really great,
Speaker 1: and it's very clear that Joe has like secrets. So meanwhile,
Speaker 1: back at the house, in like talk about talk about
Speaker 1: the Natalie stuff spinning out of control, Natalie escapes the
Speaker 1: laptop into the Internet basically and gets into the.
Speaker 2: Samy nineties like Internet horror as well many movies like Man.
Speaker 2: She's in control of the blender. Guys, she's gonna kill
Speaker 2: you with the blend. She's in the wires.
Speaker 1: So she gets into the smart picture frame, you know
Speaker 1: the picture frames that my mom I got my mom
Speaker 1: on for Christmas, and she liked them.
Speaker 2: She loved the moms love those.
Speaker 1: And she's running around of the picture frame AND's mom
Speaker 1: is at first like scared, and she's like, oh, like
Speaker 1: it's a ghost, but no, it's like Natalie's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's me.
Speaker 2: And here's what's going on.
Speaker 1: And and then she's like immediately to your point about
Speaker 1: like pacing and emotional arcs and like to being too compressed.
Speaker 1: She just immediately is like, Okay, this is not weird
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's.
Speaker 1: Good, am I Like, what, like, you've just immediately moved
Speaker 1: on from how crazy this is to she immediately likes it,
Speaker 1: so that that is weird.
Speaker 2: We go to the vault. Very weird, very very weird.
Speaker 1: We go to the vault. It's like a silo in
Speaker 1: the middle of some farmland. They go down there and
Speaker 1: it's like a bunch of high tech, cutting edge stuff
Speaker 1: that he has collected.
Speaker 2: Weaponry. Now, that's all very iron Man coded. There's lots
Speaker 2: of iron Man kind of stock tech down there. Why
Speaker 2: would he care about that?
Speaker 1: Jason, Well, he says the bunker makes him feel closer
Speaker 1: to his dad, And I'm like, okay, your dad is
Speaker 1: obad state.
Speaker 2: I thought this.
Speaker 1: Spoiler rack spoiler We do get this reveal later, but
Speaker 1: it was very clear.
Speaker 2: Dad is otate.
Speaker 1: So Joe is like, I want to help people with
Speaker 1: tech in much the way, yeah, the way that really
Speaker 1: wants to read. Doesn't respond to this again, this is
Speaker 1: like a small thing, but she doesn't trust Joe clearly,
Speaker 1: but he has something she wants. We go back to
Speaker 1: the apartment where Mom is having a full conversation with
Speaker 1: Natalie now like it's totally normal, and she's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you just seem like the real Natalie and not acknowledging
Speaker 1: how strange this is. Mom tells Natalie that Listen is
Speaker 1: really stubborn and the way to help her is you
Speaker 1: have to force your You have to force your help
Speaker 1: on her. That's the only way she will ax self help.
Speaker 1: And Natalie is like okay, yeah and yeah, basically.
Speaker 2: Gives her advice to give to an ai Mom.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is kind of my If
Speaker 1: there's an elemental issue for me with Ironheart, it's that
Speaker 1: like re Rey is constantly having help forced on her
Speaker 1: or being talked into it. She doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of decisions on her own, it feels like, and so it.
Speaker 2: Feels ironically seeking out Joe as like one of the
Speaker 2: only decisions that she makes, but everyone else is very
Speaker 2: much like leading her down a Sutain road. Even if
Speaker 2: you think about it with uh old the Hood Papa Robbins,
Speaker 2: they essentially trap her in like a sow trap and
Speaker 2: like yeahma bonta to joining and then blackmailho with So
Speaker 2: there is not a lot of agency here, but in
Speaker 2: a way I don't I kind of I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's intentional or not, but I do kind of
Speaker 2: like how that does also feel very realistic to when
Speaker 2: you're that age, Like that isn't a lot of agency.
Speaker 2: People can lead you down these roads. But it is
Speaker 2: weird that it's like an ongoing thread where somebody even says,
Speaker 2: like force help on her. It's the only way she'll
Speaker 2: accept it, you know. It starts to be like an
Speaker 2: excuse to just tell really where she's going.
Speaker 1: So At the Vault really asks Joe for his take
Speaker 1: on now he basically describes the situation with Natalie.
Speaker 2: Joe's like, that can't happen. It's impossible.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, what if it did happen, He'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: it be unethical. For one thing, we find out that
Speaker 1: his like day job is like he's a tech ethicist.
Speaker 2: It's ethicist, Yeah, which is from the comics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so really has to basically go Joe into
Speaker 1: helping her tweak the suit. And there's this weird note
Speaker 1: where Joe doesn't want to touch anything. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to touch any of the tech that he's collected. So
Speaker 1: Re really like forces him to like handle this piece
Speaker 1: of like gear.
Speaker 2: And how does it feel. It feels cold and medally and.
Speaker 1: It's clear that he really is warming up to it,
Speaker 1: and then Re shoots off and flies off to the heist.
Speaker 1: The heist begins, and it's all basically going according to plan,
Speaker 1: with only one obvious murder in the control room when
Speaker 1: Jonathan Knife's a guy like throws a knife into his
Speaker 1: chest and it's clear that that guy is dead, but
Speaker 1: we never discuss it later and almost like maybe a.
Speaker 2: Good kind of like note that maybe John is a
Speaker 2: little bit like he always not. He's I mean one
Speaker 2: like if you're in, if your major hyperfixation is nice, yeah,
Speaker 2: never bodes well. Like let's talk about not to chat
Speaker 2: GTPH but yeah, oh my god, I call it the
Speaker 2: wrong name every time. I'm sorry, guys, but you know what,
Speaker 2: that's just me, that's just who I am. I'll never
Speaker 2: remember chat GPT is the real name, sorry chat GPT,
Speaker 2: So that guy's did that, and then the c and
Speaker 2: then Sheila the CEO, enters the tunnel system. The Gang
Speaker 2: is taking control of the control.
Speaker 1: Room of the tunnel project with Slug, you know, like
Speaker 1: doing all the hacking stuff, and Slug gives re read
Speaker 1: like a drive device that she needs to use to
Speaker 1: like install on the platform that is carrying Sheila's car.
Speaker 1: But uh, problems arise and she and re loses the
Speaker 1: drive and so she has to contact the gang and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, new plan, here's what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: And the plan the plan works, the tunnel system crashes
Speaker 1: just as it's supposed to do, and then the Hood
Speaker 1: appears in Sheila's car right next to her, like it
Speaker 1: becomes visible, yeah, and he Basically we find out what
Speaker 1: the what the whole gig of the gang is. It's
Speaker 1: basically they're extorting these billionaires and being like, here's here's
Speaker 1: a contract for like no show jobs for every member
Speaker 1: of the gang where we all make I don't know
Speaker 1: what this. What do you think the salary is on
Speaker 1: the no show It's it's.
Speaker 2: Given like at least six figures a gig two fifty
Speaker 2: h time. Yeah, and and the idea is that kind
Speaker 2: of hilariously, I didn't really And it's everything tell that
Speaker 2: basically they're finding leverage on these billionaires and then being like, hey,
Speaker 2: we'll reveal this if you don't give us a job.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what about we'll reveal this if you just
Speaker 2: give us money, Like why do you have to do
Speaker 2: the labor, like just extort them for the money?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's a I guess it's like, well no,
Speaker 1: because it's a no show job, like like in the Mob,
Speaker 1: where they don't have to go to work, but technically
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: On the page getting paid. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now my issue with that is now, like your bank
Speaker 1: account and everything is connected to these crimes. It feels
Speaker 1: like just to your point, just get the cash and leave.
Speaker 1: Let's get the cash, guys.
Speaker 2: So then so it seems like it's going well.
Speaker 1: Sheila signs the contract for the no show jobs and
Speaker 1: a lifetime access to the tunnel, So now the gang
Speaker 1: can use the tunnels to like go to and fro.
Speaker 2: And the enough to pay a troll. A security guard.
Speaker 1: Confronts Natalie as they've exited the tunnels in the armor,
Speaker 1: so Rere and Natalie are in the armor and they've
Speaker 1: exited and this security guard has a gun pulled and
Speaker 1: the face visor is up, so like Reary is exposed
Speaker 1: and seeing this gun causes Rere to have like, you know,
Speaker 1: church post traumatic trauma like attack, and just in that moment,
Speaker 1: Natalie also glitches, and so now Reread doesn't have control
Speaker 1: of the suit. And then the guy shoots, but the
Speaker 1: bullet like Bend's wanted style.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say immediately, I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: was bending a bullet.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it bends, one hits, the hits the security
Speaker 1: guard on the shoulder.
Speaker 2: He goes down and it's park Parker did this somehow,
Speaker 2: you like, with the wood's power.
Speaker 1: And so that's one with a bullet wound and then
Speaker 1: one guy one hundred percent dead. But they got the money.
Speaker 1: So the gang goes to celebrate it to hideout, and
Speaker 1: they're like throwing cash around, which is like, where'd they
Speaker 1: get the cash so quickly whatever. Reary is obviously concerned
Speaker 1: because this did not go as smoothly as it seems.
Speaker 2: I thought they didn't have people guys like dead.
Speaker 1: Jonathand so the heut is way more violent she was
Speaker 1: expecting she is. And then she's also like very curious
Speaker 1: because like Parker has powers, like wait, what's this about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's asking clown about it. What do you know
Speaker 1: about him? And there's a lot of rumors flying around
Speaker 1: nobody knows for sure, like what's going on around him?
Speaker 1: Parker comes out, he makes a speech that's very cult leader.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, very very cult Come on, bro, Like
Speaker 2: I was also okay, so let's check in at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I would say, maybe, okay, we're about to hit
Speaker 2: like the fine the credits are about to roll on
Speaker 2: episode two at this point, what do you believe? How
Speaker 2: in control of the Hood is Parker? Is the Hood
Speaker 2: real tech? Is it magic? What do you think of
Speaker 2: Parker at this moment? Because this was definitely giving like
Speaker 2: kind of almost like Mysterio two point zero vibes to
Speaker 2: me at this point, especially with but the cult leader
Speaker 2: speech and then obviously the fact he can bend the bullets,
Speaker 2: and I was I was still definitely in I was
Speaker 2: questioning at this point because we had posed the idea
Speaker 2: that he was gonna maybe just be using tech and
Speaker 2: that would be that grounded nature. But they are very
Speaker 2: Billy leaning on the notion of magic and talking about magic.
Speaker 2: So I'm I was definitely interested.
Speaker 1: Well consist point, I think considering how one to one,
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff is in the show thus far,
Speaker 1: like from the comics, I think that, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that it is magic, and then I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's this there's these whisperings that are happening, and the scenes.
Speaker 2: Where it's just Parker and Jonathan, and yeah, it sounds
Speaker 2: like there's kind of yes.
Speaker 1: So I do believe that it's magic, and I think
Speaker 1: it's probably if it's not the Fisto, it's some sort
Speaker 1: of other demon.
Speaker 2: But it's problem Yeah, Like we know that the cloak
Speaker 2: actually connects him to Dormamu in the comics, but I
Speaker 2: think we've done with dor Mamu, doctor Strange. I feel
Speaker 2: like that would be a let down to a lot
Speaker 2: of people. The cloak is also giving wonder maximum of
Speaker 2: so I have been interested in that because it looks
Speaker 2: like it's made out of her costume. It's that very
Speaker 2: It's like is it leather? Is it some kind of
Speaker 2: athleisure fabric? Like what's going on with the herd? But
Speaker 2: it's definitely it's taking a toll on Parker because he's
Speaker 2: got all the scars, yes, having to cover them up
Speaker 2: with some like fucking prism break style tattoos like which
Speaker 2: I guess is Jonathan doing the tattoos too.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jonathan is also he's again jacket again, a jack
Speaker 1: of jacket everything.
Speaker 2: Who doesn't love to have a friendly tattoo artist in
Speaker 2: that evil HQ. That's right, So.
Speaker 1: Everyone toasts, you know, it's a job well done, but
Speaker 1: it's clear that Weary is like this is I have
Speaker 1: doubts about this? Yeah, obviously you guy's dead. Anyway, they
Speaker 1: go back home. Natalie apologizes for glitching out. She's froze
Speaker 1: when she saw the gun and reads like, what do
Speaker 1: you remember about like this certain night on this certain days?
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't remember anything about it?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 1: And Natalie says also, but by the way, like Parker,
Speaker 1: there's like a weird energy coming off of him. It's
Speaker 1: like nothing I've ever read like since before. He's powered
Speaker 1: in some way. Re Rey is much more focused though,
Speaker 1: on her barely functioning AI and the fact that like
Speaker 1: the glitch almost killed them. And then but before she
Speaker 1: can really explore this, she's like, oh, I said I
Speaker 1: would go meet Zay at this party. So she goes
Speaker 1: to the party, and Natalie promises to stay hidden from
Speaker 1: her brother, which is also.
Speaker 2: Like, bro, like your mama's already also like your mama
Speaker 2: about how about you fix the AI of your best
Speaker 2: friend that you have understated into this metal body and
Speaker 2: don't go to the party deal anyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's a genius would be like, well,
Speaker 1: this is obviously a much more pressing and interesting problem
Speaker 1: than like the party.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go, know the party anyway. Back at
Speaker 2: the hideout, it's very p it's very peapaka issues like
Speaker 2: double life. You have to go see your friends, but
Speaker 2: really you're like, maybe you should stop the Green Goblin, bro.
Speaker 2: So it's very classic comics.
Speaker 1: So Parker is hearing voices, the hood is kind of
Speaker 1: talking to him. He's like writhing with discomfort, and his
Speaker 1: back tattoos like obviously getting bigger, and John is worried
Speaker 1: about him. You know what all of this is doing
Speaker 1: to him, he basically says, And Parker's like, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: That's my business.
Speaker 1: Now get out of here, give me some privacy. Gets
Speaker 1: home and her mom is like what are you gonna
Speaker 1: tell me you resurrected Natalie?
Speaker 2: Mom? What do you want me to go to therapy? Don't
Speaker 2: you tell me? Are we going to tell?
Speaker 1: And then she and then she says, this is actually
Speaker 1: crazy to me. She goes, it's like you brought back
Speaker 1: her entire soul. And then she says, can you make
Speaker 1: one of Gary, her dad, her stepdad. Technically I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call him dad.
Speaker 2: He's the dad, yeah, and he's the dad who stepped up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And she's like, can you make one of Gary? And
Speaker 1: really says no and p because she doesn't knew how
Speaker 1: she did Nalie.
Speaker 2: But this is like a fact we're not now gonna
Speaker 2: explore these questions. Is like you need to explore these
Speaker 2: first of all proof. Can I just say, even though
Speaker 2: it came in a very up way that could be
Speaker 2: making bank, she just this this is but also, like, guys,
Speaker 2: you both need to go to therapy and have some
Speaker 2: deep like E D M R like former therapy, because
Speaker 2: you should not just be thinking about how to resurrect
Speaker 2: ai versions of your dead loved ones. That is literally
Speaker 2: it's been done in black mirror like three or four times.
Speaker 2: Don't do it it's gonna go badly. Also, I love
Speaker 2: like I do feel from a from a creative perspective,
Speaker 2: I feel like the way they introduce the mom is
Speaker 2: like she's super chilling, cool and just lets ree redo
Speaker 2: what she wants. And I feel like at some point
Speaker 2: they must have been like, yeah, yeah, that's why she's
Speaker 2: not bothered about Natalie. And I'm like, no, guys, has
Speaker 2: a difference about having a mama's chill. I also get
Speaker 2: also spelled from school. There was no suggestion chill. There
Speaker 2: was like in the initial.
Speaker 1: Meeting of her, there was like a I forget the
Speaker 1: line exactly, but we kind of like get got a
Speaker 1: suggestion that she was religious. And I'll just say, like
Speaker 1: every religious person I know, oh would respond to this
Speaker 1: situation like it was the devil. Like they would it
Speaker 1: would not be good. And I will say, like to
Speaker 1: your point about the black mirror stuff and any other
Speaker 1: AI comes to life like story that we've heard, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more weird to me that it seems like there's
Speaker 1: gonna be no downside, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be all fine. That seems weirder to me. I
Speaker 2: will also say I do think because again, like reading
Speaker 2: the comics, I think something that they missed Tia the
Speaker 2: which I get it because I love the idea of
Speaker 2: her having her own story, but in the comics really
Speaker 2: is used to weird AI inhabit like that exists because
Speaker 2: she is walking with an AI version of Tony Stark
Speaker 2: who just like walks around her house and like in
Speaker 2: her office and helps her, so she is less freaked
Speaker 2: out by it. I think the fact that we don't
Speaker 2: have that history here or that kind of conversation or
Speaker 2: a stand in for that makes it seem absolutely wild
Speaker 2: that her and her mama just like loving this guy's great.
Speaker 1: Immediately okay with it. We go to Evanston, where Joe
Speaker 1: steps in his neighbor's dogs shit on his lawns.
Speaker 2: So he goes over and.
Speaker 1: He like decapitates all of his neighbor's flowers. Our first
Speaker 1: kind of hint maybe that there's something darker about Joe.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a break and then we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the third episode in the tranche of three episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're back.
Speaker 1: So the Gang is celebrating with its new founderings of
Speaker 1: throwing all around. They're talking about their plans, like I
Speaker 1: want to open a restaurant, rampage.
Speaker 2: No one knows is big clubs.
Speaker 1: Like Clown is like, I want to open a school
Speaker 1: for money laundering purposes.
Speaker 2: The siblings want to open.
Speaker 1: I appreciate, and Red is of course investing in her suit,
Speaker 1: to which again I say, like.
Speaker 2: What's we needed end? We need an end goal for readabies.
Speaker 1: That's looking pretty good, it's working, Like, so what are
Speaker 1: we waiting working? I feel like you just need to
Speaker 1: like just go to the car shop painting it, like
Speaker 1: I feel like a prey, close babe. So the party
Speaker 1: screeches to a halt when Clown comes out of Parker's room,
Speaker 1: having picked Parker's vault and taken out the hood, and
Speaker 1: she's got the hood on and she's like prancing around
Speaker 1: and she's like.
Speaker 2: But it feels weird. There's something weird about it.
Speaker 1: They kind of talk about like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Hood and figuring out like
Speaker 1: where Parker's powers come from.
Speaker 2: But then an interesting and sensible divugeon for the gag
Speaker 2: you should be doing this, But then John shows up
Speaker 2: and like bashes Clown's head into the table. Crazy John's
Speaker 2: done for in my mind, And then Rey is like,
Speaker 2: what's your problem, to which I would say, and I'm
Speaker 2: not condoning violence, but also like, well you did just
Speaker 2: break into the guy's like vaults, like safe, who's running this?
Speaker 1: You understand what the problem is. And so then Parker
Speaker 1: shows up and is like everybody, everybody chill up.
Speaker 2: It's fine, John, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Clown, don't worry about it. Everybody chill Here's what're.
Speaker 2: The come on, guys, this is not a good situation. Again,
Speaker 2: I think this is a pacing issue because, for example,
Speaker 2: would have loved to see Clown pick that safe love
Speaker 2: the idea that they would have tried. Everyone would have
Speaker 2: tried to try on that suit, right the guy. Everyone
Speaker 2: wants to know how it works. It's them. We know
Speaker 2: the world that we're living in. There are superheroes, there
Speaker 2: are super villains. This has power, and I think again,
Speaker 2: like John putting his hands on a woman like that
Speaker 2: should have expanded a conversation, and it does influence something
Speaker 2: really does light, which I think is interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 2: then hot Hood and Poka being like, oh, let's just
Speaker 2: go on to our next tyst. I'm like, bro, the
Speaker 2: gang is not solid, Like there is beef in the gang,
Speaker 2: Like this is gonna end badly for someone.
Speaker 1: So here's the next heist. It's Heirloom, which is an
Speaker 1: ag tech company. CEO Hunter Mason is into like making
Speaker 1: seeds and archiving seeds and creating food that you can
Speaker 1: grow like kind of in different places using technology. The
Speaker 1: thing about Heirloom HQ is it has really good security
Speaker 1: where it's like a magneto thing. You can't bring in
Speaker 1: any metal or weaponry. Yeah, or the security system will
Speaker 1: sense it in lockdown no matter where it is. So
Speaker 1: that means no suit for re. Rea re Re talks
Speaker 1: of the hood and here we have this conversation that
Speaker 1: I'm like, this kind of shouldn't this shouldn't exist.
Speaker 2: She says, yeah, the hood. Okay, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Like what is this?
Speaker 1: We're doing crimes? I want you to know that I'm
Speaker 1: a good person, not a criminal, and.
Speaker 2: We had I think also, this is like this is
Speaker 2: where I feel like here, this could have been such
Speaker 2: an interesting conversation to have about the notion of criminal
Speaker 2: criminality and somebody like Tony Stark who was a literal
Speaker 2: war criminal and had to reimagine his world, and there
Speaker 2: could have been like a five minute at least a
Speaker 2: tiny introspection on the notion of like what is crime
Speaker 2: or how does crime pay or what like, maybe you're
Speaker 2: looking at it the wrong way. But instead it's just
Speaker 2: like he's just nobody. Yeah, okay, we get it broke.
Speaker 2: Nobody paid attention to you until you were wearing the hood.
Speaker 2: We've heard it before.
Speaker 1: From that, it's just a setup for Perker to talk
Speaker 1: about why his background a little bit and I agree
Speaker 1: with you like to here. I kept on waiting for
Speaker 1: Rere to be like, no, we're not doing it this way.
Speaker 1: Here's how we're gonna do this, like and there gonna
Speaker 1: be fucking I on, man, I can stop you for
Speaker 1: for them to be some power struggle in terms of
Speaker 1: like how they're gonna do these heists. Like after I
Speaker 1: saw the first one, it was so violent, Like we
Speaker 1: can do it this way and make it less violent,
Speaker 1: and ince.
Speaker 2: Is my genius scheme on how we neba huh anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she just gets kind of talked into
Speaker 1: doing it again. And it's weird to me that said,
Speaker 1: uh really then is like how does the hood work?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on that he just basically says, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's magic. She's like that just means you don't know
Speaker 1: how it works. It's like, okay, so what you're making
Speaker 1: money out making money and that's all.
Speaker 2: We really need. Also, right, can I have this question
Speaker 2: for the hood? I get it. I get that it's
Speaker 2: like cool motif for him to be like it's magic,
Speaker 2: But if it's really magic, he needs to stop telling
Speaker 2: people that. I know, like, he needs to stop saying oh,
Speaker 2: it's magic, because I'm like, guys, magic is very brah
Speaker 2: in this world, and I feel like you're putting a
Speaker 2: talk on your back. Okay, so she said, so, then, uh,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Later Joe shows up at her house AT's house and
Speaker 1: Mom is like, who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 2: And was like, oh, we know each other from work.
Speaker 1: And and and my secret job.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's very weird to me that, Like Mom has like
Speaker 1: many more questions about Joe than she has about the
Speaker 1: Natalie Resurrection air that said, Joe is like ever since
Speaker 1: re remade him hold that piece of equipment, He's like
Speaker 1: bursting with ideas about like tech applications and stuff he
Speaker 1: can do. Stuff he stores in his wall and he
Speaker 1: gives her like all these blueprints and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna rat you out either you help me
Speaker 1: with these blueprints and give me your thoughts on them,
Speaker 1: or I watch you out to your mom and then he.
Speaker 2: Drops off the difference.
Speaker 1: Really wants to optimize the suit, but Natalie takes over
Speaker 1: the suit for a second and starts arguing with her again.
Speaker 1: Natalie wants Natalie just wants really to hang out with her,
Speaker 1: which really reluctantly.
Speaker 2: Agrees to do. Oh and that's bread the suit. Epically,
Speaker 2: this is breaking my heart. This kind of like inter
Speaker 2: change between the idea of like this transactional relationship between them,
Speaker 2: where like it has to be like y'all hang out
Speaker 2: with you, but if you are grading my suit, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, but if she is all the memories
Speaker 2: of your friend, like, how is she experiencing this? I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, I think the Natalie stuff has really
Speaker 2: got me hung up on a lot of like ethical
Speaker 2: and emotional questions that I don't know if the show
Speaker 2: was planning on. I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: So they hang out by the lake and then Joe
Speaker 1: texts again this is like these scenes are happening way
Speaker 1: too fast, where the pacing is just like this could
Speaker 1: be an interesting scene if you let it breathe, But
Speaker 1: we don't have time. So Joe is like, can you
Speaker 1: come over early? And uh, you know, really briefly is
Speaker 1: kind of like wondering, like about like Natalie, why do
Speaker 1: you have the memories of Natalie?
Speaker 2: And uh, but.
Speaker 1: They don't really explore it again and she has to
Speaker 1: has to go to Joe's.
Speaker 2: Also, I'm pretty sure that when Joe shows up and
Speaker 2: she's like, how did you find me, He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just like googled your address and I'm like, remy,
Speaker 2: take an hour and stop that because you need to
Speaker 2: get that shit wiped off the internet. There are services
Speaker 2: you can pay, you can get Shakeula Gorgeous hack a
Speaker 2: slug to help you. But like, this man should not
Speaker 2: just be able to find your mom's address on the Internet.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna bode well for you in your Iron
Speaker 2: Man era that you were going for.
Speaker 1: So Natalie and re Re goo to the garage to
Speaker 1: see the garage they're talking about like the work she's
Speaker 1: doing for Parker, and Ree says, I plan to do
Speaker 1: a couple more jobs and then I'm out again. Just
Speaker 1: give me a hard number, like what is the dollar
Speaker 1: a month? Couple five?
Speaker 2: The garage? Just on a just on like a continuity
Speaker 2: thing here, and this is what happened when you watch
Speaker 2: these shows like more than once and you start to
Speaker 2: know that she has a go at her mom and
Speaker 2: says like, oh, you haven't been keeping the Gary's garage
Speaker 2: up to scratch, Like it's looking fucked up. It looks
Speaker 2: it looks great, it looks really great. It could have
Speaker 2: always been her you know shop, which obviously is inevitably
Speaker 2: gonna turn back into it. It's looking fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So they're in the garage, they're talking about stuff.
Speaker 1: Really has a flashback to the night that her dad
Speaker 1: and Natalie were killed.
Speaker 2: It was a drive by.
Speaker 1: Natalie talks re redowned from her panic attack, which is
Speaker 1: just like her dad used to do. Now, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: how do you know how to do that? Like only
Speaker 1: my dad could do that? Again, like this lack of
Speaker 1: curiosity about like how do you have all these like
Speaker 1: where does all this stuff come from? Like she should
Speaker 1: be trying to figure this out.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I will say we you might be
Speaker 2: thinking like do you need two people to have been
Speaker 2: fridged for this story? That's the part that's my other
Speaker 2: thing is like that question when I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something, guys. Yeah, if you had
Speaker 2: read if you read the original Williams Commis, you may
Speaker 2: have forgotten about this. But they actually uh fridged another
Speaker 2: person in her life in the original comics, Demetrius, her father,
Speaker 2: who gets killed in a gas station robbery gone wrong
Speaker 2: when she's five, and then she goes lives with her
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stepdad Gary, and then Gary gets killed with Natalie.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, please, guys, maybe like a little bit
Speaker 2: less of this fridging. Now, look are they gonna If
Speaker 2: they're gonna spend the time I'm in this show to
Speaker 2: explore the notion of gun violence and how it impacts
Speaker 2: young people, then I'm very interested, and I'm glad that
Speaker 2: they cut the Demetrius part as far as we know,
Speaker 2: but I don't think the show has the scope or
Speaker 2: time to deal with this. And as she has this
Speaker 2: panic attack, I feel like there's a great place there
Speaker 2: where maybe you know, some her interacting with Natalie or
Speaker 2: I don't know, But instead she's got to go home
Speaker 2: and find out that the cops are there because there's
Speaker 2: another plotline that is about to begin. Yeah, So you
Speaker 2: make a good point.
Speaker 1: Which is like, I like the exploration emotionally of the
Speaker 1: impact of this stuff. But it's also weird to me
Speaker 1: that like Rerie kind of never says I'm having these
Speaker 1: feelings because of this, when everything else in the show
Speaker 1: is like it's very explained, implicitly, almost over explained.
Speaker 2: That's so really great point, also weird. I would love
Speaker 2: for her to have this conversation, and maybe this's going
Speaker 2: to happen in the next three episodes, but I would
Speaker 2: love for her to have this conversation with Xavia or
Speaker 2: with her mom, with a human being who is also
Speaker 2: impacted by this, instead of it being channeled through the
Speaker 2: Nathalie AI. So it's yeah, but guess what. The cops
Speaker 2: away after her, and now we know why she got
Speaker 2: to call Stewart aka Rampage.
Speaker 1: So she she u was the last person to call
Speaker 1: Rampage and Rampage is now dead, and so they cops
Speaker 1: want to talk to her about, like, what do you
Speaker 1: know about the death of Rampage. Re redecides that, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to I believe the gang is involved in
Speaker 1: the death of Rampage, and also I want to know
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Hood and the Magic powers
Speaker 1: potentially magic powers quote air quotes magic. So I need
Speaker 1: to steal a piece of the hood to analyze it
Speaker 1: to figure out if he's involved and figure out what
Speaker 1: we're up against. So the perfect time to grab a
Speaker 1: sample is during this heirloom heist, right, But.
Speaker 2: Why not just reach out to clown who already picked
Speaker 2: the lock and be like, hey, you want to get
Speaker 2: back on the fact that Joe fucking smashed your interest? Interesting? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we could have this power struggle again
Speaker 1: within the gang and give her some agency. But no,
Speaker 1: she needs to kind of get talked into doing this
Speaker 1: Binatalie again, but she won't be able to bring the suit.
Speaker 1: But Joe brought a schematic for a type of like
Speaker 1: biomesh that is like it looks like a almost like
Speaker 1: a bandage that you wear on your arm there.
Speaker 2: Like a face skin. Yeah, yeah, it's like Stark nanotech.
Speaker 2: So then and I guess it can make a laser.
Speaker 2: And it can make a laser, don't worry. We go
Speaker 2: to the base where.
Speaker 1: Jonathan is doing watching Parker do hot yoga.
Speaker 2: By the way, can I just say something. I get
Speaker 2: that he's meant to be his cousin, but these two
Speaker 2: are playing this shits so gay for each other. I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 2: I know, I know I do this with every show.
Speaker 2: I know he is meant to be his cousin, but like,
Speaker 2: why is Nathan just watching him do hot yoga? Watch
Speaker 2: watching him shirtless do hot yoga?
Speaker 1: Wait? Wait, doing his his back tattoo, and then as
Speaker 1: he's doing the tattoo, being like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm saying there is a chemistry here. And then also
Speaker 2: Jonathan finally saying something sensible, where he's like, guys, there's
Speaker 2: no there's actually no leverage against this billionab got leverage
Speaker 2: against all the rest of them, but no leverage against him,
Speaker 2: And and park is like, don't worry about it, babe.
Speaker 2: Just look at my rippling muscles and imagine when I'll
Speaker 2: be wearing the sexy magic hood again. Like what do
Speaker 2: you mean, no, don't do it? Cancel the schemes. So yeah,
Speaker 2: Jonathan's like, let's cancel the heist. Parker's like, no.
Speaker 1: Rear goes to see Joe at his house. Joe has
Speaker 1: a grizzly the way suh Rey leave basketball. You know what, really,
Speaker 1: Revery and Nally.
Speaker 2: And Joe and his nasty ass, can you know what
Speaker 2: he's motherfuckers. They are made preach on the two insane people.
Speaker 1: Honestly, cut does not even describe it. He's got a
Speaker 1: grizzly wound that is about in which he's like put
Speaker 1: like in a hole and he's like put stuff under
Speaker 1: the skin into his forearm and it's really gross, and
Speaker 1: Joe's like, can you help me with this? So Rear
Speaker 1: then tells Joe that she's got some ideas for upgrades
Speaker 1: for his biomesh idea. But Joe is like really concerned that, like, listen,
Speaker 1: if you use any of my tech for whatever it
Speaker 1: is you're doing, if it's criminal, especially, all that stuff
Speaker 1: is easily traced to me because of whatever however, I
Speaker 1: so you have to promise me that you're it. Whatever
Speaker 1: you do, it can't get traced back to me. She's
Speaker 1: like okay, and then Rear accidentally spills like a cereal
Speaker 1: bag's like.
Speaker 2: A fucking gallons. It just full of ashes that she's
Speaker 2: fucking around with and it just on the outside of
Speaker 2: the back and I have to say I do like
Speaker 2: it just says Obadiah S. So if you didn't know
Speaker 2: Joe is Zeke Stain.
Speaker 1: Yes, Zeke Stain and that is you know, Obadiah Stain
Speaker 1: in the bag.
Speaker 2: And again these two have like really great chemistry. I
Speaker 2: really like this scene is so funny together.
Speaker 1: This scene is cuckoo, bananas, nonsensical, but like they're so
Speaker 1: fun in it together it works. Yeah, so uh is like, oh,
Speaker 1: my dad taught me how to dress wounds like this
Speaker 1: crazy fucking.
Speaker 2: Jagged, fucking open bleeding which he put he put like
Speaker 2: a fucking neuralink in Like this man is insane, he's
Speaker 2: not well his dad, But I do again, this is
Speaker 2: a thing about pacing, right. I get that they wanted
Speaker 2: to reveal this. I get it, and I love the reveal.
Speaker 2: It's funny, but also, like you only have six episodes,
Speaker 2: there's something very interesting about the perceived mantle holder of
Speaker 2: the Iron Man legacy in rearly teaming up with the
Speaker 2: perceived like troubled legacy holder of a Badiah Stain. That's
Speaker 2: so interesting that maybe it didn't need to be a
Speaker 2: secret reveal, you know, maybe there's something in that about
Speaker 2: how they relate to their father figures that we've got
Speaker 2: more time with completely. I think it's so interesting and
Speaker 2: I hope we do get more of it. In the
Speaker 2: next part. But yeah, uh, do not. First of all, Zeke,
Speaker 2: do not let this gal use it. She's obviously gonna
Speaker 2: drop it, really don't. Just like he's so up this
Speaker 2: man's arm, like it's looking bad.
Speaker 1: Well, as soon as he said that, I'm like one
Speaker 1: hundred percent she is gonna drop this biometer.
Speaker 2: Drop that shares.
Speaker 1: So the gang needs to disarm and get into Heirloom.
Speaker 1: They all, you know, put away their weapons in order
Speaker 1: to break in, except for re Rea, of course, who's
Speaker 1: supposed to stay in her suit and do like an Overwatch,
Speaker 1: but it's Natalie piloting the suit and re Re secretly
Speaker 1: swims in with her biomesh patch through a set of pipes.
Speaker 1: Parker goes to confront the Heirloom CEO in his like
Speaker 1: greenhouse office, which actually looks pretty cool. Really is like
Speaker 1: under a grate in the floor.
Speaker 2: I was stressed watching this man. I'm like, you meant
Speaker 2: to be a genius impossible, So yes, yes, it's mission
Speaker 2: impossible levels of stressing.
Speaker 1: So like, Reary is using the laser in her biomesh
Speaker 1: to cut a little piece of the hood off, but
Speaker 1: it's tough because it's magic and it's leather.
Speaker 2: And that's also some kind of like Hubrin, there's some
Speaker 2: kind of kind of gaming technique.
Speaker 1: Because remember the security system will they couldn't get possible,
Speaker 1: will sense any weapons or technology or or metal that
Speaker 1: it doesn't recognize and trigger, so she has to stay
Speaker 1: below this threshold.
Speaker 2: While you very gamified. It's very funny. It's like if
Speaker 2: you've ever tried to, like, you know, play a game
Speaker 2: where you have to get the perfect amount to hit
Speaker 2: in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Their guy is like, I'm not gonna be extorted, fuck you.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile the gang is in like another greenhouse and
Speaker 1: their clown's just like, I'm bunding this, burn this shit down.
Speaker 1: So then clown starts a fire in the in the
Speaker 1: green room and she's like in the greenhouse and she's
Speaker 1: like burning all the shit because the CEO was refusing
Speaker 1: to sign a contract. And Parker's like, well, what if
Speaker 1: we destroy your whole company?
Speaker 2: Right seewhile I thought it was interesting, Yeah, why, Like
Speaker 2: he literally like just offers them a check. He's like,
Speaker 2: I know what you're doing. Just take this fucking chet
Speaker 2: and just leave. I would have taken it. In that case, Parker,
Speaker 2: he has the he's got you like just take the check. No,
Speaker 2: they need the money. They need the no you know,
Speaker 2: the no show jobs. Like sure, So the building is
Speaker 2: locked down. That's all that mattens.
Speaker 1: Well, here's my question. So the late rereason laser gets
Speaker 1: too hot and the alarm system senses that there's weaponry
Speaker 1: and stuff going on. Why didn't clowns fire trigger.
Speaker 2: The I know, I couldn't. I couldn't walk that out
Speaker 2: whether it was like because it was a huge fire.
Speaker 2: But also it does get shut down, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how this place works. I didn't even
Speaker 2: know what this man's business is. Honestly, they should have
Speaker 2: left him alone.
Speaker 1: So the building's now locked down, and it's like filling
Speaker 1: with more gas more like carbon DIACs are gas to
Speaker 1: make everybody go to see Parker is hearing voices that
Speaker 1: they are telling him to do the ceo. The CEO
Speaker 1: pulls a pistol and now there's a fight, which is
Speaker 1: kind of cool. Hood is disappearing and reappearing, and then
Speaker 1: he invisible kills the CEO as re rewatches. She does
Speaker 1: like get to cut all the way through the hood,
Speaker 1: like she cuts like eighty percent. She yeah, and before
Speaker 1: he disappears and so she can't get the rest of it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the rest of the gang is trapped in the labs,
Speaker 1: only Jonathan and the Ironheart armorycking Jonathan.
Speaker 2: Jonathan fucking Jonathan.
Speaker 1: So Jonathan Hood is now taking out cars left and right,
Speaker 1: re re orders Natalie. She's like, rescue the rest of
Speaker 1: the crew, don't worry about me. I can get out
Speaker 1: on my own. Natalie's like no, but then it is convinced.
Speaker 1: So Rey is escaping through the labs. She runs into
Speaker 1: Jonathan and Jonathan and Jonathan is like, why aren't you
Speaker 1: in your suit? I thought you were in your suit
Speaker 1: up there, And also like, what is that in your hand?
Speaker 1: Is that a piece of the hood? The leather piece
Speaker 1: of the hood.
Speaker 2: She accuses him of killing Rampage and they fight and
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I did kill him. Yeah he was
Speaker 2: that even a secret? Yeah what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Course I can kill the guys. This whole show.
Speaker 1: Re re loses her biomesh patch, she loses the I
Speaker 1: think loses the piece of the hood leather doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't. I don't know about that. She did,
Speaker 2: hilariously just randomly pick it up off the side maybe
Speaker 2: she doesn't. I'm invisible, so maybe she does have it.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to say something, Uh, describe what you
Speaker 2: think happened next, because I think I think it's a
Speaker 2: more brutal read than you realize.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what happens is Okay, so the HQ
Speaker 1: is filling with gas that's making everybody suffocate. Natalie comes in,
Speaker 1: puts rear the armor, and she flies off, leaving Jonathan
Speaker 1: to die, to.
Speaker 2: Die, Yes, no, no, I think you're right. I think
Speaker 2: you're right. She kills Jonathan like they could have said.
Speaker 2: He puts his hand out and he's like help man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they're like you know about you know that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys are also murdering people.
Speaker 2: But also.
Speaker 1: I think this was I think, yeah, this was a weird.
Speaker 1: This is another weird one. It would have been cool
Speaker 1: if like she's like, no, save Jonathan, Natalie, and Natalie
Speaker 1: is like no.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yea yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Also, oh, Natalie.
Speaker 2: If Natalie has said to her like, well remember how
Speaker 2: he like smashed clown's head against the thing and he
Speaker 2: killed rampage, Like does he need to be saved? But
Speaker 2: instead Reby just makes that choice. She just you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna miss Jonathan. I don't think she made
Speaker 2: a terrible choice. This was but you know, I will say, well,
Speaker 2: this is really so Jonathan said not to go.
Speaker 1: It's on Parker, and I agree with you. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna miss Jonathan. I think Jonathan's a bad guy. I
Speaker 1: do find it weird that the prime here's the issue.
Speaker 1: The primary reason that Rory kills this guy is because
Speaker 1: she doesn't want him rat turn out.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that up with all the rime, all the ratting,
Speaker 2: too much ratting.
Speaker 1: Okay, So back home, she realizes she lost the biomesh
Speaker 1: which will get trace back to Joe, and she has
Speaker 1: another panic attack bark. Parker's back at the HQ, and
Speaker 1: he's like furious that this heist has gone sideways and
Speaker 1: that Jonathan is dead. He's screaming and whoever gave him
Speaker 1: his magic? I trusted you and it's gone badly and
Speaker 1: what have you done?
Speaker 2: And he sees a vision, like a magic vy brutal, scary.
Speaker 1: Brutal vision of Jonathan's suffering, suffocating to deathn't like reaching
Speaker 1: out for who we know is like Natalie and Reary
Speaker 1: to help him and Parker saying, why are you showing
Speaker 1: me this? And then all of a sudden, a demonic,
Speaker 1: very evil looking figure appears, and this is where I'm
Speaker 1: like this, it's fucking.
Speaker 2: Naturally, everyone's gonna be so sick of it after I'm like, guys,
Speaker 2: it's too late. I'm sorry to tell you that, but
Speaker 2: you know what, he's here. We've been talking about it
Speaker 2: for five years, as the world has changed unbelievably. Am
Speaker 2: I still talking about it? Yeah? I also thought, I
Speaker 2: really I did like the visual like fust the shadowy
Speaker 2: figure kind of looks like re read because in the
Speaker 2: suit to kind of tell Parker like she killed him.
Speaker 2: And then you get yeah, And I mean, guys, you
Speaker 2: saw the little m outlined in red. You guys assumed.
Speaker 2: Let's see. We'll be talking about it when the next
Speaker 2: three episodes drop. But it's looking high odds high odds
Speaker 2: high odds that Mephisto is finally round, because.
Speaker 1: I think if you don't show him now, people are
Speaker 1: gonna be like, don't ever do this again.
Speaker 2: Don't do it again. It's been too many times, too
Speaker 2: many teasers, too many theories, of which I was many
Speaker 2: to blame for.
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, but like, but yes it is. I think
Speaker 1: it's time.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. And that's the first three episodes of iron Heart.
Speaker 2: You know what. I'm just so glad we did like
Speaker 2: a big deep dive into this, so you gotta do it.
Speaker 2: We gotta recap it, gotta talk about it, got to
Speaker 2: talk about how it works, how it doesn't work. And
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see the next three episodes. And I mean,
Speaker 2: you see how slacked with people.
Speaker 1: Mephisto will I will I. We assume it's Mephisto, and
Speaker 1: I will be there to find out, like what's going
Speaker 1: on with that? Like, let's find out, Yeah, and what's
Speaker 1: going on with that guy?
Speaker 2: Man? Well, that's it for this episode.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow and exhibition, we're checking in on some of the
Speaker 1: movies we haven't had a chance to talk about so
Speaker 1: far this year, this spring, this summer, including Final Destination, Bloodlines,
Speaker 1: and Wes Anderson's latest infotation scheme. That's it for this episode.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Bye.
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