1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. How does a young man 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: vanish off the face of the earth? How does that happen? 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: No record, no signings, nothing, He's just gone. When I 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: say a young man, I'm talking about twenty five year 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: old Daniel Robinson. He is the apple of his parents. 6 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: I a young geologist, music lover, good looking, great grades, 7 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: low works. So why can't we find Daniel? I mean, 8 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: see Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 9 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Series XM one eleven. 10 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: kpn X. This video of twenty four year old Daniel 12 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: Robinson is quickly spreading on TikTok. The nicest guys you'll 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: ever meet. His family and friends desperately hoping for his return. 14 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: His older brother is asking for your help all the 15 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: way from South Carolina, which has been really hard, just 16 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: trying to keep going throughout the day. Daniel was last 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: seen last Wednesday, June twenty third, leaving his job site 18 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: near Sun Valley Parkway and Cactus Road in Buckeye in 19 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: this gray Jeep renegade. It's not really a whole lot 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: that we know around it. Daniel was working his first 21 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: job out of college here coming from South Carolina to 22 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: make a living. Wow, so his first job out since 23 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: becoming a geologist, coming from South Carolina to try to 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: make it as a geologist. So what happened to him? 25 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: With us? His father to tell us the very lettis 26 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: David Robinson joining us and you can find him at 27 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Please Help Find Daniel dot com. Let me just tell 28 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: you there is a gofund me and his dad, David 29 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: Robinson is using the gofund me money to fund his 30 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: own investigation and the desperate search for his boy, his son, 31 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Daniel Robinson twenty five years old? What happened to him? 32 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: How do you just disappear? David Robinson? Sir, thank you 33 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: so much for being with us. Tell me when you 34 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: first realized your son just hadn't called in a couple 35 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: of days, that he was truly missing. Yes, On the 36 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: twenty third, d get a call from my daughter. She 37 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: also did a out in Phoenix at the time, and 38 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: she did called because of one of the co workers 39 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: from his job came by her apartment looking for Daniel. 40 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: One of Daniel's friends from the job. That was really 41 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: troubling to her. Of course, my daughter first things, one 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: booth called me, and once I her that news, I 43 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: told her to go check his apartment, you know, make 44 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: sure he wasn't there. In the meantime, I was making 45 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: phone calls. We're getting in the phone calls any answers 46 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: from his phone. That wasn't so bad to me at 47 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: the time. They try to talk with friends through all 48 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: my due diligence. But I noticed that from the time, 49 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: and I got information that they said my son's last 50 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: scene at nine o'clock that morning here in Arizona, and 51 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: I look at the time different in South Carolina. I 52 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: think that was over six hours. That's when I got 53 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: worried about a companion. Would never ever go that long 54 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: without telling his siblings or my family, everybody if he 55 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: had any travel plans or things like that. So you know, 56 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: that was that was my first indication that something's wrong. Well, 57 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: let me understand something with me. Is Daniel's father. This 58 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: is David Robinson, and you can find him at Please 59 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Help Find Daniel dot com. So he left from South 60 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: Carolina to go to Arizona that day. Is that way 61 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: you're telling me? Well, after I did talked to the 62 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: buck Out Police Department, who was in charge at that time, 63 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: and they say they weren't going to do a search 64 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: that night because that day as my son missing, because 65 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: his night and this morning they told me to have 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: a flight out there, helicopter search that desert for my son. 67 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Once that time came, I did end up getting a 68 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: call the second call from the also saying that he's 69 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: hired up. Said that they wanted not David to go 70 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: out there because he's a grown man. If he wanted disappear, 71 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: he can. That's when the indication for me to know 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: that the police partner was going to do anything at 73 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: that point, So grab everything, kind of lost my sense 74 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: of thought, grab everything i can, hopping my vehicle, start 75 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: hiding with I'm just thinking about mister Robinson trying to 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: get to his son, that drive to reach him, to 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: try to help him. Take a listen to our friends 78 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: at KP and X twelve. David Robinson had only one 79 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: thought on his mind as he drove the nearly eighteen 80 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: hundred miles from his South Carolina home to Phoenix. I 81 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: had to find my son, his twenty four year old son, Daniel, 82 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: missing since June twenty third, trying to make calls as 83 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: I'm driving. I just had hopes that by the time 84 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: I got here, Salting would turn up and I would 85 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: see my son. I get to put moms around them 86 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: and talk to him and try to find out what 87 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: was going on. Fuck Eye. Police say Daniel was last 88 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: scene driving a blue twenty seventeen Jeep Renegade away from 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: his work site your Sun Valley Parkway and Cactus Road. 90 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: The area of his last scene is a desert, so 91 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: you got to be prepared for that. You have to 92 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: get water, you have to get certain things to be 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: just quite there to look. You know, David Robinson, this 94 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: is Daniel's father. It reminds me I just got in 95 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: the twins back home to our apartment in New York 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: and had giving them their basket, got them in their pj's, 97 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: when I got a call that they were going to 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: put my dad on life support, and the race to 99 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: get them dressed, packed out on the street at midnight, 100 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 1: trying to helicab to somehow get home those hours, those 101 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: hours and the interim trying to get to him was like, 102 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: well it was like pure hell. What was going through 103 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: your mind as you were driving all the way out 104 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: to Arizona. Well, yeah, it was it was very hard trip, 105 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: of course, Uh yeah, definitely stayed on constantly with the 106 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: Buckeye Police Apartment, trying to get all the information I 107 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: can get, as well as Daniel's work, his job laitious 108 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: new world. I just wanted to make sure I get 109 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: all the information I can select. That trip was taken 110 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: longer than I wanted. You know, I couldn't get there 111 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: fast enough. You know, just want to know, zacly what 112 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: happened to my son. If I anybody was gonna go 113 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: out there before I get there, they go search for them, 114 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: things like that. So it was an anxious moment for me. 115 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: And take a listen to Jess Winters at kp n X. 116 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: The twenty four year old geologist was last seen leaving 117 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: his work site in Buckeye on June twenty third. Since then, 118 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: David feels as though he's had to wear two hats 119 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: Dad and detective, leading weekly search parties and pressing police 120 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: for a more thorough invest instigation like fingerprinting Daniel's jeep, 121 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: as how can they be sure that my son was 122 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: driving a vehicle without doing for res's work. The reply 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: was that it was my son's vehicle. It is obvious, 124 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: he was driving. He also points to what he calls 125 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: concerning conversations like a detective suggesting his son wanted to vanish, 126 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: but maybe he wanted to be away from his family 127 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: to join a monastery and become a monk. David Robinson, 128 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: this is Daniel's father. They actually cops actually told you 129 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: maybe your son, Daniel wanted to become a monk. Yes, yes, 130 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's really really really bad. Yeah, you know 131 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: is at the time when it also showed me my 132 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: son's vehicle. Um, it was said a compound at this 133 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: facility and before I sold a vehicle. Mind you, this 134 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: is the first time I see my son's vehicle ever. 135 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: We did have plans, told myself my daughters, we're here 136 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: in Tenis to see that falle for the first time, 137 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: but I am not saying it the way I have 138 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: to see it. But before he shold it to me, 139 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: he did mention that to me. Hey, he told me 140 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: about a story that a family thought one of the 141 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: family members missing. Turned out the lady wanted to be 142 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: a nun. And he also described that as well to me, 143 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: maybe that's the possibility my son wanted to be a 144 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: monk and joined the monastery. I thought your son was 145 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: interested in a woman that he just recently made a 146 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: grocery delivery too. That does not fit with being a monk. 147 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, exactly. Okay, somebody helped me out 148 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: what the hey, Karen story. You got a father that 149 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: drives all the way from South Carolina at Arizona and 150 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: find his son and go that. Cops say, yeah, he 151 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: probably wanted to vanish. Maybe he wanted to become a monk. 152 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: And they're not kidding, they're serious. It's really unfitting, and 153 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for you, mister Robinson reeling. My heart 154 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: goes out because I can't understand how they could possibly 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: say that. It just doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't 156 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: they be Nancy you know too. Why wouldn't they search 157 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: the vehicle and do forensic work and begin to worry 158 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: that he's been gone for so long and that it's 159 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: not just the jeep, his clothes are there. Who would 160 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: put their clothes there and decide that they want to 161 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: join a monastery. It's so far fetched that it's really sad. 162 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, mister Robinson, your mommy so 163 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: much of my dad. He would get in his car 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: and come immediately to wherever I was if I was 165 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: in any kind of distress, without me even having to 166 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: ask for him to do it. He and my mom 167 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: always right here, and it hurts me so much. Cheryl McCollum, 168 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: a forensics expert, founder of the Cold Case Research Institute. 169 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you about the forensics yet, 170 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: but to hear somebody a cop tell a parent he's 171 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: twenty five. Hey, that's grown man, but out bud and 172 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: ski basically because he's on his own and so were you. 173 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl, you and I were already working in 174 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: the trenches by the time I was twenty five. And 175 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: do you know my mother would call me still. I 176 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: would be out prosecuting rapists, murderers, drug awards. But my 177 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: mother would call me at about six o'clock every morning 178 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: when she got to work to make sure I was 179 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: up and going us. But we didn't have cell phones, 180 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: and even at that age, she would still send me 181 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: six packs of the eight for me to drink on 182 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: the way to work because she wanted to make sure 183 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: I got vegetables. Yes, at age twenty five, and if 184 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: a day went by and I didn't call them, they 185 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: would know something was wrong. And that's what David Robinson 186 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: to say. And I think a cot would say he's 187 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: twenty five years old. Man, click right, that's just total bs. Well, 188 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: there's another thing about Daniels and I think we need 189 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: to know that law enforces. Z wrote in on he 190 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: didn't go more than six hours, according to his family, 191 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: without taking somebody where he was or where he was going. 192 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: He checked in regularly. He let people know what his 193 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: plans were, where the job site was, what his hours 194 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: were there. So he was very good about that. And 195 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. I mean I still do that, Izy. 196 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm in touch with my mom all the time. I mean, 197 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: because you if you love them, you want to talk 198 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: to them, you want to text them, you want to 199 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: hear what they're doing. I mean, David Robinson, you had 200 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: to know almost immediately that something was wrong when when 201 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: you didn't hear from him, and no better than your 202 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: family you had heard from him, your daughter, his sister 203 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: hadn't heard from him. The people at work, we're already 204 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: didn't show up. I mean, you knew something was really wrong. 205 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: That's right, that's rights broken. Okay, Nate eaton joining me 206 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: special guests joining us today with David Robinson, and again 207 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: I can't say it enough. Please help them. He is 208 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: now funding the investigation to find his son. Please help 209 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: find Daniel dot com, Nat and help me. Nate. Let 210 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: me start at the beginning because I got carried off 211 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: hearing mister Robinson on on what happened in his life. 212 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: To start at the beginning. Tell me everything, Nate, don't 213 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: leave anything out. So Daniel goes to work. He's a 214 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: geologist at his first job. He's in the middle of nowhere, 215 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: you could say, right outside of Phoenix. But was he 216 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: living in Phoenix? He was living? Was he living in 217 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: phen David in Timpy at the time he first Phenis 218 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: then it moved to Timpy, So he was living in 219 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: Phoenix at the time, right, gotcha? Okay, go ahead, Nate. 220 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: So he gets to work and one of his co 221 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: workers is there with him. He says that he stayed 222 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: her about I don't know fifteen twenty minutes. Is that 223 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: in an office or were they out at A little 224 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: known fact, my fiancee, Keith that was murdered was studying 225 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: geology and he already was working geologist jobs as he 226 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: was going through school. And a lot of times he 227 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: would not report into an office. He would report to 228 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: a site. So when you say Nate Eaton and he 229 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: met up with a coworker, was it at some office 230 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: or was it out in the middle of a geological site. Yeah, 231 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: this was out of a site, darn, because I was 232 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: hoping I could glean something from maybe surveillance video or anyway. 233 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, Nate. This is near the White 234 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: Tank Mountains. His co worker said that Daniel was acting strange. 235 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: He was quote staring into the distance and talking about 236 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: things that didn't make sense. So after about fifteen minutes, 237 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: his coworkers told police that Daniel left. That was the 238 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: last time he was seen. I didn't know that. What 239 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: do you mean he was staring out? I mean, when 240 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: you were working in geology, you are staring out in 241 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: the distance. That's one of the things you do. I 242 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: don't find that odd. But what do they mean by 243 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: talking about things that didn't make any sense? Not to 244 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: them maybe, But what do they mean by that? Well, 245 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: that's all that the police report said, all that he 246 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: elaborated on. But you do make a good point, that is, 247 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, geologists loved to go out there and explore 248 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: and Daniel was a science is a scientist. He has 249 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: a brilliant mind. He loved this is his passion. So 250 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: he leaves after about fifteen minutes, according to his coworker, 251 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: and he has not been seen since. But three weeks later, 252 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: three or four weeks later, they discover his jeep and 253 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: who discovers it? A local rancher discovers the jeep about 254 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: three miles from the work site. Okay, Nate Eaton, Sorry guys, 255 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: Nate eat and joining me from East Idaho News dot Com. Nate, 256 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: I want to back up to something. I'm always constantly multitasking, 257 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: even in my head, and I will suddenly say something 258 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: here in the studio to Jackie and she's like, what, 259 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, three stories ahead or three stories behind, having 260 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: a thought about this or that or what we need 261 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: to do or where we need to go or who 262 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: we need to talk to. And it doesn't always make 263 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: sense to her, or my husband or my children, whoever's 264 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: around me at that moment, because I'm thinking in a 265 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: different place of where I'm at that moment. So you know, 266 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: bottom line, Cheryl McCollum, that doesn't mean anything to me 267 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: that he was talking about things and they didn't know 268 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: what he was talking about. Right, It could be a 269 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: lot of things, you know, when you're juggling, for instance, 270 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: a caseload, you could be talking about one case one 271 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: minute and something else the next minute. I need to 272 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: find out what happened from the time they saw him 273 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: and when a rancher found his vehicle. It was a jeep, right, 274 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, Yeah, it was a twenty seventeen Gee Renegade 275 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: about three miles from the work site. Three miles Was 276 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: it on or off road? It was off road, and 277 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: his clothes were on the ground next to it. His 278 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: wallet and phone were in the car. Okay, that's a 279 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: lot of information what you just said so succinctly. But 280 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm curious to David Robinson, why did a local rancher 281 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: have to find his jeep when you had reported him missing. 282 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: A simple flyover and a helicopter would have seen that. 283 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh yes, well, you know that was one of the 284 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: reasons why I left Columbia, South Carolina is they didn't 285 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: do initial search the day my son with missing. The 286 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: day after, they didn't do a search, but it did 287 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: almost a three days later using the Phoenix firebird, they say, 288 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: and also once I got here in Arizona, I started 289 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: my own searches at that time before the rancher in 290 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: to found the vehicle almost third days later. The ranch 291 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: was out there according to him, and the testimony gave 292 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: myself and also my investigator to day he's out there 293 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: to the three days prior to the nineteenth to chase 294 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: down his cattle. They come through the same ravine that 295 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: the vehicles found in the vehicle wasn't there. He's checking 296 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: for his cattle. But on the nineteenth, two three days 297 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: after the vehicles there. That's why he called it in. 298 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: He said he noticed it match to the scripture of 299 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: something that was said in the local media. And so 300 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: that's where it went from that point. Okay, David Robinson, 301 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: you just gave me a lot of ammunition. Yeah, something 302 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: to work with, because you're telling me, let's get this 303 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: timeline down. Night eating and everybody deal our sun high 304 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: profile lawyer Jacksonville, former FBI Karen Start, New York psychologist 305 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: on Facebook and at Karen Start dot com. Everybody jump in, Cheryl. 306 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: What David is just telling me is very critical because 307 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: he leaves the work site, his jeep is found three 308 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: days later. Was it three days later, thirty almost, thirty 309 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: days later, thirty days later, is that right? Thirty days almost? 310 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: But curiously, Cheryl McCollum, the jeep wasn't there the last 311 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: time the rancher had ridden through that ravine trying to 312 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: round up cattle. And when was that? David Robinson, how 313 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: many days before he spotted the jeep? Had he been there? 314 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: The vehicles found on two out of nineteenth? He say 315 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: he was there two to three days prior to look 316 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: for this cattle that comes down at same ravine, and 317 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't there, So we'll just go with the sixteenth. 318 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: So what happened in that period of time? So he's 319 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: last seen June twenty three, Cheryl, right, And then suddenly 320 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: his jeep turns up just three miles away from that 321 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: original worksite on July nineteenth. Ish. That really doesn't make 322 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: any sense, doesn't It doesn't make any sense. But the 323 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: jeep has essentially like a black box like an airplane has, 324 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: and so they're going to be able to extract all 325 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: of that data from that jeep. For example, they already 326 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: know that prior to hitting that ravine, that jeep accelerated. 327 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: They know that somebody tried to get the ignition to 328 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: engage forty times after the crash. So there's been activity 329 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: that they know from that jeep. So if it had 330 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: been anywhere else, they would know that. Okay, Cheryl, which 331 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: you repeat what you just said about the way the 332 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: condition in which the jeep was found. They are multiple 333 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: attempts to turn the jeep back on and hitting the 334 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: gas before or impact. Right, so it looks like he's 335 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: off road, maybe four wheeling so to speak. There's a 336 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: ravine it's got like about a forty five degree grade 337 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: before getting to the up part. He accelerates almost like 338 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: he's gunning it, trying to make it up that hill. Well, 339 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: what happens is he hits it in such a way 340 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: that it appears flips the car on his side. So 341 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: the driver's side is going to be vacant of any 342 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: dust or rocks or scratches. The passenger side is going 343 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: to have a significant damage, as the front end does 344 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: as well, because again the way it looks like it 345 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: was hit, it flips it because of the grade. The 346 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: tire just runs out a road. That's all there is 347 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: to it. As comments jump in, yeah, you know, after 348 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: the airbags deployed. There was apparently eleven more miles put 349 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: on the vehicle, and so the view may be that 350 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: someone else wrecked the vehicle some other location and transported 351 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: it there, because that may be because someone else abducted him, 352 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: and when that happened, of course they tried to get 353 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: rid of the evidence by putting the vehicle subsequently in 354 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: that ravine. And you know, if there's a lot of 355 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: interest involved in this, it's quite possible that someone else 356 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: is angry at him having a love interest in their paramore. 357 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: Could you say that again, Cheryl McCollum about Dale Carson 358 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: just brought out Nate or David Robinson know about the 359 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: eleven mile driving post impact. I'm going to play Devil's 360 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: advocate needs he eleven miles didn't mean those tires are 361 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: on the road. They could have been because of an acceleration. 362 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: So again, they're going to know from tracks in that dirt. 363 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: They're going to know from skid marks, rocks being thrown 364 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: with acceleration. If there were other miles driven on the 365 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: roadway or off road, there would be evidence of that 366 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: as well. Again, it appears there's parts of the vehicle 367 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: up near where the clothes were left. It looks like 368 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: whoever got out of that vehicle put the clothes right 369 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: there in a pile. They're just all together in a pile, 370 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: like somebody just got naked and walked off. The fact 371 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: that his cell phone is there, the fact that his 372 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: wallet is there, the fact there's no activity on his 373 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: bank account or cards at all. He's made zero contact 374 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: with anybody. He scrubbed the Instagram before this happened. I mean, 375 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: it may not be as nefarious as it appears. It 376 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: could very well be that Daniel was the only one 377 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: in that car, and Daniel walked away from that car naked. 378 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: I find that really hard to believe. Okay, you know 379 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: another clue to me, Nate Eaton, is that he is 380 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: his clothes. Daniel's clothes were folded, but folded up. They're 381 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: basically in a pile near this jeep, and the jeep 382 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: guys is found out in remote desert site about three 383 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: miles from his work site, and it looks wrecked. It's 384 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: gone down about a twenty foot ravine. But then his 385 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: clothes have been taken off and are found near the truck. 386 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: Were the clothes found near the jeep night eating they 387 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: were and you want to know what else has found 388 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: near the Jeep's wallet and cell Phone's wallet and cell 389 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: phone were inside the jeep, but they also found David 390 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: and his PI found human remains. About ten days after 391 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: that vehicle was found by the rancher, a skull was 392 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: found near Daniel's jeep and the mmy came out and 393 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: said it wasn't it wasn't Daniels here because they believed 394 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: that school had been there longer, longer than the time. 395 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: But then a few months later they found additional human remains. 396 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: They found two human steamers, hipbones, vertebrae. Again the medical 397 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: examiners saying they don't believe this is Daniels. But here 398 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: is this father who over the past year has spent 399 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: forty weeks searching thirty two thousand acres of land and 400 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: he's found these human remains and this jeep has been 401 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: found yet no sign of his son. That cannot be 402 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: a coincidence that daniels jeep is found wrecked, which would 403 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: suggest that Daniel would have to get out of the jeep, 404 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: which is as you look at it, it's wrecked down 405 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: a ravine, it's crashed, and then step away from it 406 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: and calmly take his clothes off and leave them in 407 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: a pile. If he were trying to kill himself, wouldn't 408 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: you think that he would take his clothes off and 409 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: then wrecked the car instead of wrecking the car, take 410 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: off his clothes and then vanish in the desert? What foot? 411 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: And it's basically found in a burial ground where at 412 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: least one, if not three, other skeletons are right there 413 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: in the same vicinity. I mean, everything is it's a 414 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: red flag waving at me that this was not a 415 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: self induced crash. Who's jumping in? Killers often returned to 416 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: the place where they've deposited bodies, if not, if for 417 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: nothing else to view the condition of the body that 418 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: they left at. So the idea that the jeep was 419 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: found in an area where there were other human remains 420 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: is an indication that someone outside this is a third 421 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: party actor. You're right, Dale Carson. I mean, think about it, 422 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, what's the likelihood he's gonna go crash his jeep, 423 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: stripped down and wander off into the desert on foot 424 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: right where other human remains are found. Well, I have 425 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: a question for David number one. It sounds like the 426 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 1: bones were not found with clothing. And David, do you 427 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: know how they ruled Daniel out? Well, you know, yeah, 428 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: of course, in the course of my searches, the volunteers, 429 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: we did fou those human remains, the human skull. The 430 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: freshest one was the last part of last year. That 431 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: really was scary for me. But the way they ruled 432 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: that one out. For instance, first they told me buck 433 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: I pulled Tony all animal bones. Of course I made 434 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: a big thing about it. Uh, since it to Mary 435 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: corpor County Zama's author that said it was human bones. 436 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: They foually made a crime scene, but they told me 437 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: only forty minutes later. I was that couldn't make it 438 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: from buck Eye to Phoenix after that search, and they 439 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: called me before I made it Speen and say, hey, 440 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: it's not your son. And I don't know how they 441 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: did that, but they say they can tell us now 442 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: the black Man's bone, That's what I was told, So 443 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know it was a skull. These bones is 444 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: the fevers um, the hip bones, Well maybe they were 445 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: totally skeletonized, And that would not have been the case 446 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: had it been Daniel because it was closer. We had 447 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: some bone marrow. There have college still there, just the 448 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: freshest seen remains to stup then out there. But at 449 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: first they told you they were animal bones. They did. Oh, 450 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, it just gets worse. Why would 451 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: they make that comment to you when it turns out 452 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: to be human bones and then it turns out to 453 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: be not Daniel. Thank God. It's gotten to a point 454 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: where Daniel's father has felt he had to hire a 455 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: private investigator to try to find his son. Take a 456 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at kpn X twelve. Losing faith 457 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: in the force. David hired private investigator Jeff McGrath in July, 458 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: who says the crash data doesn't add up. The detective 459 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: told him the vehicle rolled down the ravine. I looked 460 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: the photo. I said that vehicle never rolled. It got 461 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: to the bottom and tipped on its side. That's all 462 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: it did. So I can't rule out fell play. So 463 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how I can. Bucky Police say they're 464 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: taking another look at the crash data in the coming 465 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: days with an expert, but still don't suspect foul play. 466 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: BPD also released a partial police report on Thursday that 467 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: documents all the leads in evidence. They followed up on 468 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: did you hear that? What? The private investigator who took 469 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: the time to look at the crash data is saying 470 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: this was not necessarily a crash, more allowing the jeep 471 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: was rolled down the ravine and turned over. Take a 472 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: listen to Matt Galca at Fox ten. This latest information 473 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: release has to do with the crash data from the 474 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: jeep that Robinson was driving. He's been missing since late June. 475 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: That jeep was found nearly a month later, smashed up 476 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: near a ravine. This is Daniel Robinson's jeep. The twenty 477 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: three year old was last seen June twenty third. His 478 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: jeep was found July nineteenth on its side near a ravine, 479 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: within miles of the logical work site he said to 480 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: have walked off from in the Far West Valley. The 481 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: findings of the collision report of the vehicle were released yesterday. 482 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: Investigators say the Jeep Renegade was in a rollover crash, 483 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: the only crash recorded internally on the jeep. They say 484 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: speed increased before impact, leading investigators to speculate the jeep 485 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: was trying to get up the side of the ravine. 486 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: Forty ignition cycles were recorded after the crash, meaning the 487 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: driver could have been attempting to restart the vehicle. What 488 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: does that mean. I've got to analyze that, but I 489 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: do know what it means to Daniel's mother. Take a 490 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: listen to our cut five from KPNX twelve. It took 491 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: me three months to look at muscles pitching just seeing 492 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: his car. It took me three months to look at 493 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: his car. You thought you fell pain. Try to looking 494 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: for your child and not knowing where he is. Daniel's mom, 495 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: Melissa Edmonds, speaking out for the first time, fighting back heres. Meanwhile, 496 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: Daniel's dad, David is calling out the cops for lack 497 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: of urgency in the first forty eight hours. Yeah. I 498 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: believe that if they would have stepped up the plate 499 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning, I wouldn't be standing here now. Time 500 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. David Robinson is joining me. This 501 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: is Daniel's father, and I implore you to help anyway 502 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: you can go to. Please help find Daniel dot Com. 503 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: What did you mean by that if the cops has 504 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: stepped up to the plate earlier, you would not be 505 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: where you are right now. Well, yes, well, you know 506 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: the first twenty four the forty eight hours is the 507 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: most crucial point that I've learned. Also as well, doing 508 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: us this very crucial when he's trying to look for 509 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: a missing person. I think with me, my family, knowing 510 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: my sons, I've been there since his birth, I wouldn't 511 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: know a lot more than a co worker, for instance, 512 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't know about my son. And you know the family, 513 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: we've been worried. We know the difference between Daniel disappearing 514 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: on his own or versus something happening. We should know 515 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: the difference. We know his patterns, those fanims have been broken. 516 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: M If the police partner would have at the beginning 517 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: decided to go to look for my son that night 518 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: as well as then this morning, without this assumption that Daniel, 519 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: without evidence that Daniel said I wanted to disappear on 520 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: his own, I think they would have found him. They 521 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: would have found him immediately before I even made it 522 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: to Phoenix, and it shouldn't have took me all those 523 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: hours just to drive here to go look for Daniel myself. 524 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm curious about the timeline. I'm curious about whether the 525 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: interior of that jeep was processed, whose fingerprints were on 526 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: the steering that the steering wheel at the time of 527 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: the impact. Were they Daniels John if the airbags went off, 528 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: they'll be DNA whoever would drive in the car? Well, 529 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: you're right, Charlon McConn there could be other prints as well. 530 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering was he driving the car at the 531 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: time of the rollover or was the car left there 532 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: coincidentally in the same area as other human remains What 533 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: happened in those days from the day he disappears June 534 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: twenty three to July sixteenth. But Nancy, keep in mind, 535 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: if somebody left that car there, there would be a 536 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: secondary vehicle to take them away. I don't think anybody 537 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: would drive that far out in the desert just have 538 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: to walk back to town. That doesn't make any sense 539 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: to me. There's no tracks, there's no evidence there was 540 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 1: anybody else. Please use a TVs. They used cadaver dogs, 541 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: they used air support with helicopters and drones. And let's 542 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: talk about Daniel's pattern. His own sister said he came 543 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: to her apartment, stared for thirty minutes without talking, got 544 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: up and left abruptly. That's exactly what the co workers said. 545 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: We have to listen to that. Okay, back to you 546 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: joining me. Is Daniel's dad, David Robinson. Yes, Well, one 547 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to throw in is that those things 548 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: about my son's staring off. My daughter and I was 549 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: put in an interrogation room with the Buckeye Police Department 550 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: and they has to sit there and think about anything 551 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: that we seemed kind of strange. But Daniel, my daughter, 552 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: had to think about something that happened almost two weeks 553 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: prior to Danie gone missing, that he came over and 554 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of stared off, as well as some of the 555 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: some of the things that haven't been reported. According to 556 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: my investigator who I hired, the vehicle, we had the vehicle, 557 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: not only the black Buck data came from the Buckeye 558 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: Police Department, all the information that we got as well 559 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: as my investigator. He decided to have the entertainment systems 560 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: sit to California for analysis. After eight hundred nine hundred 561 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: page report, we found out the vehicles crashed four hours 562 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: out there my son would missing. We have, of course, 563 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: the Buckeye Police did. They first searched almost three days 564 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: after my son was missing. The second one was done 565 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: almost two weeks later with silver Averatrol all was in 566 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: the same area where the vehicle the mission will be 567 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: found and they came up empty handed, so they kind 568 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: of backs up the ranch of story that the vehicle 569 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: wasn't there two to three days prior. Of course, like 570 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: I said that that mission as it didn't happen at 571 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: four hours after you were missing a round one o'clock 572 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: that day on the twenty third, Nate Eatan, what does 573 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: that mean? What does that mean? Because I think David 574 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: Robinson just said the crash of the vehicle happened shortly 575 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: after Daniel goes missing, but it wasn't in that location 576 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: until about a month later. What right? Yeah, transfer paint 577 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, I'm sorry, but it's also read 578 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: transfer paint on the vehicle on the side that's on 579 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: the ground. That's not the red in the desert of 580 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: the funds. Hicle came in content with something that's red, 581 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: vehicle old something, So a crash with a red object 582 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: like another car or dumpster or something painted red that 583 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: would leave that imprint on his car. What about that, 584 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: Nate Eton, Well, the question I haven't David, maybe you canswered. 585 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: If he disappears during twenty third, the car found is 586 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: found July nineteenth with his phone inside. Were they able 587 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: to pin his phone at all over the course about 588 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: month to see if they're with movement and where it went. Well, 589 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: that's one of those same questions of my family. The 590 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: first thing idea when I got arizonas with Buckeye Police 591 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: Park and those the questions we had. We needed camera footage, 592 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: we needed self phone teams. Yet also you connect, you 593 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: connect in this vehicle. All they said they could get 594 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: the information from They can get these selfphone teams, they 595 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: can get those pitches at traffic lights. Uh. And they 596 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: said the you connect all zeros when they try to 597 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: get something from it. So that's one of the things. 598 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: The other celphone teams as well. There's some things we're 599 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: looking for. So you do not believe your son took 600 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 1: his jeep down that ravine? Correct? That is correct, that's correct. 601 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: I highlight dot that. You highly doubt that. And you're 602 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: still struggling fighting to get the cell phone pay data 603 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: you sam, you know some of those things. I was 604 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: told by the Buckout Police Department at the time they 605 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: were going to do that, and then they came back 606 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: later told my daughter and I that it wasn't being 607 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: able to because no more, no judge would get them 608 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: a warrant or the things they applied for it to 609 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: get that kind of information. So today we kind of 610 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: stuck just with everything we have from my son's uh 611 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, phone records and things like that. Isn't it 612 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: true that there was a series of texts that had 613 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: been wiped off your son's phone? It just correct. Once 614 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: the Buckout Police parm returned the phone to me. Mind you, 615 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: I admit to mention that everything was turned over to me. 616 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: The vehicles found on nineteen the Buckout Police park re 617 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: turned the vehicle over to me on the twentieth. They 618 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: had a beating A couple days later. They turned on 619 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: all the evidence, I mean everything and evidence bad but 620 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: mark for safe keeping. H They told me they was 621 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: done my son's case. Now. When I received the phone 622 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: from them, the cell phone was missing his memory card 623 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: that just recently purchased William he needed a big a 624 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: cart that was missing his geo locations everything because firstday 625 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: I was trying to find out we was located at 626 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: the time. Oh that we wiped for the phone, everything 627 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: about this young lady was wiped from the phone, theself 628 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: of her name and you know her phone number, but 629 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: everybody else's wife in terms of the test messages and 630 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: things like that picture Nate at and how could that be? 631 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: So was this some sort of a love triangle where 632 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: someone gets his phone, wipes all the text between him 633 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: and this girl, cleans them off, and then does away 634 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: with him and crashes the car. Well, it's possible, of course. 635 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: The girl told place that she had no relationship with Daniel, 636 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: but one of Daniel's friends said that there was something more. 637 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: As David said, he spent the night with her. So 638 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: somebody could have been jealous, somebody could have taken that phone, 639 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: somebody could have wiped it off. I mean, I don't 640 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: know who's going to wipe their phone and then take 641 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: a car and crash them in the desert. And obviously 642 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: these are questions that need to be answered, but the 643 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: family is not getting answered. That's where we come in. 644 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: There's a private investigator that has been hired doing its best, 645 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: and I'm curious, Dale Carson, what you think about contacting 646 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: someone over the Buckeye Police, for instance, the state attorney General. Well, 647 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I mean, if you're not getting satisfaction 648 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: at the local level, then you go up one level, 649 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: and it's clear that there are unusual events surrounding this 650 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: young fellow's disappearance, and clearly there's also evidence that he 651 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: was possibly abducted. I mean, so that's where the investigation 652 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: starts in any really active law enforcement agency. He isn't 653 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: going to let this come to rest until there's a conclusion. 654 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: To David Robinson, this is Daniel's father and you can 655 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: find him at Please Help Find Daniel dot com. What 656 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: is your message today the day is that I will 657 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: continue to fight for my son. I'm standing again for 658 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: my family of a family. He have Dannie Hals some 659 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: mother who's terrified. Um, you know everything that's going on 660 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: as siblings, grandparents, as well as other families and friends. 661 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: But Daniel, he's a high spirited young man man that 662 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: loves love God first of all. Uh. He has have 663 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: a lot of friends, very intelligent dreams and aspirations uh 664 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: to do great things. He's a contribute to society. H 665 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,959 Speaker 1: Daniel is my son, and you know, I'm just gonna 666 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: continue to fight for him, do everything I can as 667 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: a father, And just wanted to make sure everybody knows 668 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: who Daniel is. He's a young geologist m here to 669 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: do great things. Cheryl, jump in, David. I think something 670 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: that's going to be really important is any of the 671 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: items that they gave you back, like his cell phone, 672 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: or his clothes or even the airbag. If you can 673 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: get them, get them to a private lab. That costs money, Cheryl, 674 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: that's what the cops. That's what we're paying the cops 675 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: to do. We pay the cops, we pay the crime Lib, 676 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: we pay every single scientist at the crime lab. And now, 677 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: sadly I agree with you, Cheryl. We're having to tell 678 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 1: Daniel's father, you get the evidence, and you go pay 679 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: to have it done by the crime lab. I mean, Nancy, 680 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: here's a great thing. Because of you, he can raise 681 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 1: that money. And second of all, if they can't even 682 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: get a warrant to get in his car or his home, 683 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to do the testing because, 684 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: for as far as they know, there's no crump. So 685 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: they're not going to let them do it. We can 686 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: do it, we can help them. Here is a number 687 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: for the Attorney General of Arizona. Six zero two five 688 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: four two two one two three repeat six zero two 689 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: five four two two one two three. That's the number 690 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: for the Arizona Attorney General. At this point, the Buckheye 691 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: Police Department has helped in no way and may have 692 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: actually hindered the investigation. We wait as justice unfolds. If 693 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: you want to know more, please go to crime online 694 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: dot com or go to Please Help Find Daniel, Please 695 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: Help Find Daniel dot com. Goodbye friend,