Speaker 1: I am all in again.
Speaker 2: Oh, I am all in again with Scott Patterson and
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 3: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast one
Speaker 3: eleven productions, iHeart Radio, iHeart Media. I Heart Podcast Episode recap,
Speaker 3: Season one, Episode eleven.
Speaker 1: Paris is Burning and boy is she?
Speaker 3: And we have a very special guest, mister Max Medina himself,
Speaker 3: the one and only Scott Cohen is here to discuss
Speaker 3: this episode with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so funny. Man. You watched it and you're like,
Speaker 4: holy got you sucked in that? What?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Your work is great? What
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 4: That's how you feel. No, it's funny though, It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I've really have I barely watched the show
Speaker 4: when it was on, and you know, because you didn't
Speaker 4: have like you know, Netflix back then or whatever, and
Speaker 4: you just and you moved on with shit, right, It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, so it kind of passed me by, but
Speaker 4: then when you look back on it, you're kind of surprised, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I kind of remember that scene. I remember that's I
Speaker 4: remember doing that and it's funny and I mean, I
Speaker 4: could tell you this while we're doing it, but but
Speaker 4: it was, it was, and I have to say seeing
Speaker 4: it now, so this is twenty five years on. Man,
Speaker 4: it's crazy and it's funny. It's just it's such a
Speaker 4: good show and you're just like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 4: like I can't believe, like Belly laughs, like.
Speaker 1: Oh my, it's really funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really funny.
Speaker 1: That's my takeaway too, is.
Speaker 3: How damn funny it is, I don't know, and how smart,
Speaker 3: smartly funny.
Speaker 4: It is so smart, so smart, she's so good. You know.
Speaker 3: What really struck me about this is the narcissism of
Speaker 3: Emily Gilmour how so and how she uses her daughter,
Speaker 3: and how her daughter didn't measure up to their expectations,
Speaker 3: and it is such a disappointment to Emily all the time.
Speaker 3: Instead of like you know, adjusting her her worldview and
Speaker 3: her expectations and accepting reality, she's like Emily just lives
Speaker 3: in this world where she's just so rejecting her daughter
Speaker 3: at all times.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But what I find really interesting about that is
Speaker 4: that Lurlai is capable of not doing that to Rory,
Speaker 4: which I think is the hardest. I think a parent
Speaker 4: that is raising a child that has such a strong
Speaker 4: parent that is kind of creating this havoc in her life,
Speaker 4: you know, to kind of evade that in a certain sense, right,
Speaker 4: not in all senses, because her belliousness is really kind
Speaker 4: of what what I think kind of defines her in
Speaker 4: the same vein that that she's not. She doesn't do
Speaker 4: the same thing that that uh, that Emily does to
Speaker 4: Laurel I, that Lorelai would do to Rory.
Speaker 1: But she did do it to Rory. She slept, she
Speaker 1: got in a relationship with.
Speaker 4: You, I know, But that's different than what Emily is.
Speaker 4: Like Emily's just so she's so controlling and so things
Speaker 4: have to be this way. In this way. Laurel I
Speaker 4: just makes bad choices, right, but you know, I mean
Speaker 4: are they bad choices? I mean they're just human, like
Speaker 4: she just you know, she falls in love or she
Speaker 4: you know whatever.
Speaker 3: I you know, I saw this episode. This is the
Speaker 3: second time I've seen it, and now I'm beginning to
Speaker 3: you know, the genius of the Palladinos uh continues to
Speaker 3: unfold because episodes like this are so necessary and they
Speaker 3: aren't as you know, chalk full of humor, as you know,
Speaker 3: your your average Gilmore up right, Although it had really
Speaker 3: funny belly laps and funny moments in here. For sure,
Speaker 3: this was a deeply dramatic episode, and more so than
Speaker 3: a lot of.
Speaker 1: The episodes are.
Speaker 3: Consistently throughout so and I thought, these are the wells
Speaker 3: that the Palladinos are digging deeper and deeper and deeper.
Speaker 3: And once in a while they do this because these
Speaker 3: wells they can go back to time and time again
Speaker 3: for callbacks, and they use these wells these episodes in
Speaker 3: the dramatic storytelling, in the jokes. There's there's a million
Speaker 3: jokes that are going to come from this episode in
Speaker 3: season four, in season five, and season six. So I
Speaker 3: think these episodes are really necessary. And as much as
Speaker 3: I try to analyze it and overanalyze it and judge it, say, man,
Speaker 3: what an irresponsible thing to do, and how how can
Speaker 3: these two be so boneheaded as to, you know, think
Speaker 3: of themselves first and not Rory's welfare. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: the storytelling is, these are flawed characters, These are human beings.
Speaker 3: They they're making a mistake, they don't see the mistake.
Speaker 3: They're too in love, they're too infatuated. That's a very
Speaker 3: human thing. And man, it's going to it's going to
Speaker 3: manufacture so many great lines in the future, so many
Speaker 3: great situations in the future. And I also thought that
Speaker 3: maybe the critics didn't know what the show was in
Speaker 3: the first season, like is this a drama?
Speaker 1: Is it a comic?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: Because some are heavily dramatic, some are a lot of them,
Speaker 3: and I think it operates best as a like comedy
Speaker 3: with all the Joki jokes. Maybe that was the confusion,
Speaker 3: but I think.
Speaker 4: Was it was it reviewed poorly?
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, by the by the by the
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, by the people that vote on awards. Oh,
Speaker 3: like ye award, you know, like the Academy.
Speaker 4: And yes, it didn't win any yes, yes, right, that's
Speaker 4: where Lauren. Lauren was nominated I think for Golden Globe
Speaker 4: or or something for the first year or something something
Speaker 4: that yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, kind of yeah.
Speaker 3: But but isn't it interesting that And I think the
Speaker 3: Palladinos just sort of they just wrote without restrictions, They
Speaker 3: just wrote whatever they want.
Speaker 1: They wrote instinctively m hm.
Speaker 3: You know, within a within a structure obviously, but they
Speaker 3: really brilliant instinctual writing. It's like they just went where
Speaker 3: the characters wanted to take them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I would agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is where they wanted to go.
Speaker 3: And I think this dynamic this episode is as deep
Speaker 3: and as interesting and as telling and revealing as any
Speaker 3: episode that I've seen so far, because it really shows
Speaker 3: how good it can be for her, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's just not to be, and and how she sabotages
Speaker 3: and the effects of having a mother like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they raised that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to cause her to sabotage
Speaker 3: things that are really great for her.
Speaker 4: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I I thought
Speaker 4: also that it feels like they they are capable of
Speaker 4: really kind of digging deep to find out, you know
Speaker 4: what what motivates people, uh really like not not in
Speaker 4: not in kind of a That's what I always found interesting,
Speaker 4: even just doing readings of the scripts, Like as we
Speaker 4: sat down and did the readings, like it just felt like, Wow,
Speaker 4: they really understand, you know, motivational factor as opposed to
Speaker 4: just writing something that has a plot and a dramatic
Speaker 4: factor and just kind of like moving forward in the story,
Speaker 4: like it stops for a second and you're kind of
Speaker 4: witnessing two people or three people whatever, going through something
Speaker 4: very very kind of difficult and hard, and that kind
Speaker 4: of gives us a sense of reality to it, which
Speaker 4: I think is what attracts people now as fans. I
Speaker 4: think it's like it's just a real they're they're real
Speaker 4: things that happen to people.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, exactly. But boy, Emily, wow, what so good?
Speaker 1: What a character?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, what a character?
Speaker 1: What a destructive?
Speaker 4: Yes, so destructive?
Speaker 1: Entertaining? I mean, aren't these people just so entertaining?
Speaker 3: Yes, character so entertaining.
Speaker 4: I found Alexis and this is that, this was what
Speaker 4: is interesting to me. I found Alexis to be so good.
Speaker 4: And I remember when we started right in the first season,
Speaker 4: and I remember she I mean I think this was
Speaker 4: her first job or something like that, right, and I
Speaker 4: remember Lauren really being her mentor, and just her following
Speaker 4: Lauren and just like not barely knowing what a mark was, right, right,
Speaker 4: and kind of just feeding off of Lauren's pace and
Speaker 4: tempo and trying to stick with that and you know,
Speaker 4: maybe struggling with it for a little bit, but totally
Speaker 4: found her way. And then I felt like, I mean,
Speaker 4: this is the second season, and this is why I
Speaker 4: felt like Wow. She was really a force, like there
Speaker 4: was something major going on there. And I said in
Speaker 4: the beginning, like, oh, you know, God, did I suck?
Speaker 4: I wish I kind of saw a little bit it
Speaker 4: more of that working with her as opposed to kind
Speaker 4: of focused on Laurel. I like, I think my focus
Speaker 4: was more on Laura I as opposed to like the
Speaker 4: idea that I'm doing these things with Alexis and and
Speaker 4: and there's really interesting things going on because she has
Speaker 4: there's a whole, there's a whole there's a whole backstory,
Speaker 4: there's all this stuff that's going on besides what's happening
Speaker 4: with me, and to really kind of be able to
Speaker 4: see that in some way, And so I felt like
Speaker 4: I kind of I felt like I missed that in
Speaker 4: a certain sense.
Speaker 3: You know, she did bring there was an effortlessness that
Speaker 3: she totally yeah, And it was uncanny. It was unlike
Speaker 3: working with anybody else because and I know it wasn't
Speaker 3: easy for her, but she sam she made.
Speaker 4: It seem easy totally yeah.
Speaker 3: And effortless and smooth right as Yeah. As Hamlet instructs
Speaker 3: his players that act, it's like she listened totally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: To wave your hands to totally totally economical, like really
Speaker 5: really economical, and you know, her eyes said it all
Speaker 5: and she has gorgeous eyes, and you're just you know, and.
Speaker 4: Really it's funny because you know, I've worked with people
Speaker 4: over the years, and there's there are certain people that
Speaker 4: have you know, you when you're working with them, you're
Speaker 4: not really sure what's happening, and then when you see
Speaker 4: it on film, you're like that they was going on,
Speaker 4: I missed the boat. It was. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I worked with a guy like that on a film
Speaker 3: a long time ago. I could not figure out for
Speaker 3: the life of me what he was doing. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: he just kept asking so many questions that director's driving
Speaker 3: everybody crazy, and it was just like we just wanted
Speaker 3: to go, dude, will you just do it?
Speaker 1: We want to get out of here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was adding hours on every day and then we
Speaker 3: go to the premiere and he's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's brilliant.
Speaker 3: He's like ultraspecific and right right, you know, you can
Speaker 3: really you can read his thoughts.
Speaker 4: And right right right.
Speaker 1: That was real learning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I think Alexis had that naturally.
Speaker 3: I do too, just had this ability to exist and
Speaker 3: just be who she was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I actually think this show really kind of
Speaker 4: allowed her to do that. I mean I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, not not every show would have allowed her
Speaker 4: to just kind of be. I mean, she was playing
Speaker 4: a character that was close to her age and you know,
Speaker 4: going through very normal things as a teenager. And Lauren
Speaker 4: was you know, I mean, she's fantastic to play against.
Speaker 4: So it's like it was, I'm sure it was. It
Speaker 4: was much easier than it could have been.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that because I I just had such
Speaker 3: I just had such a good time working with her, Lauren. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean just and she There were a couple of
Speaker 3: times where, you know, I remember that it was a
Speaker 3: diner scene and it was just you know, it was
Speaker 3: always quick dialogue, and so she had a word, I
Speaker 3: had a word, she had a word. I had to word,
Speaker 3: and she jumped me in one take, just jumped the
Speaker 3: line and hit it back faster, and she hit it
Speaker 3: back faster, head it back. You know, It's like, who
Speaker 3: can do that? Who can do that?
Speaker 4: Her brain was so clear, right, you know, I remember
Speaker 4: her reading a book like in her on her trailer
Speaker 4: steps and thinking to myself, Okay, she has like four monologues.
Speaker 4: It's like, when did she memorize those?
Speaker 1: Like it's not even fair, it's not even fair fair.
Speaker 4: She was, Yeah, she was just really And I knew
Speaker 4: this before I worked like I worked with her prior
Speaker 4: to this, and she was like a backboard, like she
Speaker 4: was able to absorb what you gave her and give
Speaker 4: back and so it was and it was immediate. It
Speaker 4: wasn't there was no there was no filter really like
Speaker 4: you I'm sure there was a filter, but there was
Speaker 4: no filter, and so it was so easy to her too,
Speaker 4: I think, you know, it was so easy and fluid
Speaker 4: and like a like a Lexus and phenomenally prepared. I mean,
Speaker 4: this one was constantly like you know, really and but
Speaker 4: made it like I never felt uneasy. I never felt like,
Speaker 4: you know, like I was making some kind of wrong
Speaker 4: choice or something like. She never she never made me
Speaker 4: feel that way. She made me feel She always made
Speaker 4: me feel very comfortable. And you did what she did,
Speaker 4: and that's that's what it was, and that's and you
Speaker 4: moved on from there. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 3: Her process was so interesting with her because yes, she
Speaker 3: was prepared, but she wasn't over prepared. No, you know,
Speaker 3: it was like she left open the possibility of notes
Speaker 3: from director, feedback from who she was working with that day,
Speaker 3: you know, this kind of thing. And she would sort
Speaker 3: of refine everything through the rehearsal process, and you could
Speaker 3: see her, you know, just sort of gathering all the
Speaker 3: information and making choices, and then a question would come up,
Speaker 3: and then a prop would be needed to be moved,
Speaker 3: and then there'd.
Speaker 1: Be a subtle thing, and then.
Speaker 3: You know, there was so much nuance going on and
Speaker 3: then on the first take action boom she she did.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing I really loved about her.
Speaker 3: She didn't put pressure on her herself ever to be
Speaker 3: great on the first take. She didn't care. She was
Speaker 3: gonna do it when she was ready. And I think
Speaker 3: she used those first takes as just sort of like
Speaker 3: an extended rehearsal. It's like, Okay, now I've got it, now,
Speaker 3: let's get it now. So by the second take or
Speaker 3: the third take, it was just like fully formed and
Speaker 3: it had this arc, you know, and it was just
Speaker 3: beautiful to watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I always felt like she was somebody
Speaker 4: who very who learned very early on that like that
Speaker 4: you know you're you're not you can't judge yourself on
Speaker 4: especially being a lead of a show. You can't. You
Speaker 4: can't judge yourself on one scene. You have to just
Speaker 4: move through the day and and and the day will
Speaker 4: be cut and it, you know, and and just be
Speaker 4: as as as natural as you can be, just be
Speaker 4: as presents as you can be. And I always felt
Speaker 4: like that's how she was very present. And you know,
Speaker 4: for guest stars, it's miserable. It's like, you know, it's
Speaker 4: you know, you're, you're you always feel like you're you're
Speaker 4: to blame if something goes wrong, and and and you're
Speaker 4: you're you're a nervous wreck because you feel like, oh,
Speaker 4: I got to get this ship right, because you know
Speaker 4: they're already talking about how long the day is going
Speaker 4: to be, right, so if you if you extend it
Speaker 4: just a minute, you're like, everybody's like, oh god, here
Speaker 4: he goes. It's like this work.
Speaker 3: How do you think you would have reacted having that
Speaker 3: kind of schedule, like being in every single scene every
Speaker 3: single day. I don't know if I could have done it.
Speaker 4: I did two shows where I was almost in every
Speaker 4: scene really, and I remember always thinking I have to
Speaker 4: be like Lauren Graham I really, I can't throw a
Speaker 4: tizzy fit. I have to be very like everybody's you know,
Speaker 4: everybody's here for me basically, and I have to make
Speaker 4: sure that I'm okay, I'm I don't blame anybody I
Speaker 4: And but I think that what I didn't have, which
Speaker 4: I wish a little bit more like what she is,
Speaker 4: that is this ability to let go right, which I
Speaker 4: think I think she had a great ability to let go.
Speaker 4: And I think I was more always kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, I wish I did it this way. I
Speaker 4: wish I did this, you know, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: And so that's that's less uh, you know, you're just
Speaker 4: you're that's judging yourself and so it's like it's a
Speaker 4: terrible place to be. But I think in terms of
Speaker 4: scheduling and and being I mean, I think now I
Speaker 4: would probably be like, I'm so tired, I can't do this.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, because but I mean I think
Speaker 4: around that time, it was I had so much energy
Speaker 4: to kind of be on set all the time. I
Speaker 4: really didn't care. But I never had monologues like she
Speaker 4: would have. Like she she had she had work. I mean,
Speaker 4: she had eighty pages to memorize and you know, I
Speaker 4: mean it was way too much. Man, A lot people
Speaker 4: do it. Yeah, that was a lot man. But she
Speaker 4: was great, you know, so fun to work with. Wish
Speaker 4: I could work. I wish we'd met up again sometime.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I really miss working. I'm miss working with everybody.
Speaker 3: That was a very very special cast. That was a
Speaker 3: very unique cast. I thought everybody was just so.
Speaker 4: Great and what watching uh Melissa McCarthy watching her was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, she you know, how how how she's
Speaker 4: developed into this like you know, uh, she's so cute
Speaker 4: and so sweet and so and how she's how she's
Speaker 4: kind of found her way into like just being raunchy
Speaker 4: and and I mean she's still cute and sweet and
Speaker 4: has all that.
Speaker 3: But well, we saw like the first season she was
Speaker 3: in Groundlings, right, and that's how we know her. She's
Speaker 3: so sweet and she's so funny and she's so great
Speaker 3: and uh so she invited everybody to come see her,
Speaker 3: Oh okay, uh at the Groundlings and we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't know she was at the Groundlings.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Groundlings is a comedy troupe in La where they I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm telling the if those of you who don't know
Speaker 3: Groundlings is like, what is it second city or second
Speaker 3: Stage in Chicago or there's a second city in Canada,
Speaker 3: I think. And all of the great SNL and comedy
Speaker 3: stars are coming out of these programs. You know, so
Speaker 3: many and a lot coming out of the Groundlings.
Speaker 1: In LA and.
Speaker 3: They they train you to you know, it's comedy, it's
Speaker 3: improv it's writing your own characters, is performing those characters,
Speaker 3: so they're really developing. You know, Melissa was developing her
Speaker 3: skills as a writer, as a producer, as a director,
Speaker 3: and a performer of all these different types of characters.
Speaker 3: And we went to see her and we were flowed.
Speaker 3: We couldn't believe how many different characters she played and
Speaker 3: played them so well, and she wrote everything and she
Speaker 3: I mean, we were our stomach's heart at the end
Speaker 3: of the night. We couldn't stop laughing.
Speaker 4: Was there anything that was like that that she that
Speaker 4: she had, like that that she did in movies later on.
Speaker 3: Like kind of versions, Yeah, you know, there was like
Speaker 3: she came out and did a she was rapping and
Speaker 3: she had all this attitude and it was just it
Speaker 3: was just so funny that she was so dynamic and
Speaker 3: so great, and was like, wow, is she talented?
Speaker 4: Was she with her husband at that time? Or no?
Speaker 3: Uh no, no, no, not at that time.
Speaker 4: Are you friends with her still?
Speaker 3: She has a house out near me and I run
Speaker 3: into her every once in a while.
Speaker 1: But she's all over the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's always on set, she's always on location.
Speaker 1: She's all over the world.
Speaker 3: And then when she's not all over the world, she
Speaker 3: has to go back.
Speaker 1: To promote the films to premieres.
Speaker 3: And honest, she's extraordinarily busy.
Speaker 1: But I knew right away that.
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, if anybody's going to break out,
Speaker 3: it's going to be her because she has the she
Speaker 3: has such a broad range of comedy and drama in
Speaker 3: her and the ability to write these characters for herself.
Speaker 1: I mean that is I mean that is.
Speaker 4: Was Was she on it for all seven seasons?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sure? Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: She ends up with Jackson, yes.
Speaker 3: And they this is their first time that they.
Speaker 4: Which was so good.
Speaker 3: Because of his reaction was okay, and then he just leaves.
Speaker 4: I loved her, she was so good. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: y yeah.
Speaker 3: But I miss them all too. It was so great
Speaker 3: to go to work and knowing that you were going
Speaker 3: to be like, you were going to have to give
Speaker 3: your best to get by with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel that way to.
Speaker 3: A game every day, because if you slipped a little bit,
Speaker 3: if you weren't feeling it, you were going to get.
Speaker 1: Buried over there.
Speaker 4: I completely agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it was just such a great place to work.
Speaker 3: Really miss it. All right, So what do you think
Speaker 3: about all this? What kind of reactions do you get
Speaker 3: out there in the public when you're traveling.
Speaker 4: Or Oh it's crazy, man, are you kidding me? It's nuts?
Speaker 1: Tell me about that.
Speaker 3: Because you're you're a kind of a beloved character. People
Speaker 3: really like MAXI meidee.
Speaker 4: Well you there's Team Max, and there's you know, there's
Speaker 4: Team Luke, and there's Team I don't know other teams,
Speaker 4: and there's some Team Chris maybe and some people some
Speaker 4: people love you, some people despise you. Some people say
Speaker 4: things like, you know, thank god you never Laura, I
Speaker 4: didn't pick you. You were so wrong for her. Some
Speaker 4: say which is like okay, well, some say, you know,
Speaker 4: oh she's made such a mistake. Oh my god, you
Speaker 4: were the best. We're so team Max. And this is
Speaker 4: like I would say, I get ten to fifteen kind
Speaker 4: of like you know, Instagram messages some kind of thing
Speaker 4: every day, and people are very they they this show
Speaker 4: is massive and it has it is global. It's massive
Speaker 4: and it's and it's people have very very strong opinions
Speaker 4: about what what and and things that they remember, things
Speaker 4: that they you know, the details that they remember. The book.
Speaker 4: I mean, I had I watched this episode and it
Speaker 4: was all about and it was all about On's Way,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I totally did not remember that there
Speaker 4: was this book involved. I gave it to Laura LII.
Speaker 4: She was supposed to read it. She never read it.
Speaker 4: She read the first one pages, you know, and I'm
Speaker 4: thinking to myself, I read that book. It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: and so that was it was really but this is
Speaker 4: what people that's the kind of reaction to get. It's
Speaker 4: a very intense love of the show and love of
Speaker 4: of every character that's in it. There's not a single
Speaker 4: character that doesn't get some attention. You know. It's it's, it's, it's,
Speaker 4: it's and and being recognized. I'm sure you get recognized
Speaker 4: all the time. It's like I mean, and you just
Speaker 4: feel like wow, I mean, in the weirdest places, are
Speaker 4: you I'm just sorry, but are you Max Medina, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, and it happens all the time, you know,
Speaker 4: it's and I mean, thank god for Netflix. It's like,
Speaker 4: uh it, keep your relevant.
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about Paris, because she was
Speaker 3: really she was featured prominently in this episode. We get
Speaker 3: to know a little bit about her backstory, parents going
Speaker 3: through ugly, nasty divorce and it's affecting her already.
Speaker 1: A dark, dark.
Speaker 3: Mood, and she's taking it out on our kid Rory here.
Speaker 1: And it's not particularly nice.
Speaker 4: That the scene, the last scene with her where where
Speaker 4: Rory's like, you know, why are you doing this? It's
Speaker 4: like you know, you know and all that. I actually
Speaker 4: thought that was one of the most brilliant scenes I've
Speaker 4: ever that that and it almost on for an entire episode,
Speaker 4: Like I was so interested in both of their characters
Speaker 4: and what they're going to say to each other, how
Speaker 4: they weren't going to give up, you know what they
Speaker 4: you know, but I'm here if you need me. Well
Speaker 4: I'm okay, but I'm not going to need you, you know,
Speaker 4: but I'm here if you need me, but well, you know,
Speaker 4: but I'm not I'm not going to need you, and
Speaker 4: it was just it was absolutely brilliant and uh, Lisa, Liza,
Speaker 4: Liza was. I knew then she was going to be great.
Speaker 4: I totally thought that she was. She was solid, she
Speaker 4: was you know, she she paid attention, she was strong,
Speaker 4: she was you know, there's something interesting going on with her.
Speaker 4: And what a great character. What a great great villain
Speaker 4: that turns into not a villain that you know, you
Speaker 4: you don't want to root for, but then you have
Speaker 4: to root for, you know, uh mean girls turned nice
Speaker 4: girl turned mean girl. I mean really incredibly uh laid
Speaker 4: out I think for us. So yeah, great writing, such
Speaker 4: great writing, and such a great uh such a great
Speaker 4: opposite for Rory. I mean, you know, great obstacle for
Speaker 4: for for a character like Rory to deal with and
Speaker 4: have to you know, I mean, how difficult is it
Speaker 4: to stand up to somebody like that's actually what that
Speaker 4: that scene when she stands up to her Paris and
Speaker 4: and says, you know, why are you doing this? I
Speaker 4: feel like, wow, that's like you don't you don't know
Speaker 4: what the result of that's going to be. That could
Speaker 4: be you know, you know what you know to you
Speaker 4: that could be you know, walk away that could be
Speaker 4: you know, don't don't ever talk to me again. That
Speaker 4: could be anything, right, but it's not, and she takes
Speaker 4: the risk. I thought that was incredible and incredible writing.
Speaker 3: And even maybe even more incredible is yeah, because you
Speaker 3: want to sew, loathe and despise Paris, but you can't anymore.
Speaker 4: You can't. No, not no, totally right. Scene with the
Speaker 4: mother is she's really what No, the scene with the
Speaker 4: mothers did it? I mean the scene with the I
Speaker 4: don't know who that was, but she was amazing. Actually,
Speaker 4: she was so cutthroat, like just disgusting human being. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, you don't want to grow up with a
Speaker 4: mother like that. And I don't know if you saw
Speaker 4: what was the film last year with Paul Giamatti. He
Speaker 4: was nominated for an Oscar.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't say it, but I know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, similar like that, because all the parents are like
Speaker 4: they all walk away from their kids. They're like nobody
Speaker 4: really pays attention. Yeah. I thought that was so good.
Speaker 4: And she's she's really good. She's really really good. That's
Speaker 4: the other thing I thought that was so amazing about
Speaker 4: the show was that they're and I mean not that
Speaker 4: I watch a lot of these shows with they're young
Speaker 4: people and older people, which you don't have actually a
Speaker 4: lot of shows that you have where you see an
Speaker 4: older generation and a younger generation, like you see every
Speaker 4: generation in this in this show, which I think is
Speaker 4: that's what's so beautiful about it, or one of the
Speaker 4: things that's so beautiful about is that they didn't like
Speaker 4: you know, which was very similar to Mazel too. Mazel
Speaker 4: had that too, so there wasn't there wasn't you know,
Speaker 4: everybody has, everybody's flawed, everybody has problems. Everybody has, like
Speaker 4: you know, things that that they need to deal with.
Speaker 4: But this, I think, you know, one of the beautiful
Speaker 4: things about it is just that that we were able
Speaker 4: to see these, you know, an entire generation that we
Speaker 4: really know nothing about and having to deal with problems
Speaker 4: that they deal with. So it's it's almost like you
Speaker 4: have you have Gossip Girl and you have you know,
Speaker 4: it's everything combined in that. So that's it's so good.
Speaker 3: And also one of the I agree that was a
Speaker 3: great scene. That was one of the great scenes. And
Speaker 3: then and then it's followed by another great scene where
Speaker 3: Laurel I and Rory end up in the stairwell. Rory's
Speaker 3: trying to get away from her and they have that
Speaker 3: and they have it out over you know, what are
Speaker 3: you doing.
Speaker 1: To my life?
Speaker 3: Mom? My reputation is destroyed here now you're kissing Max Medina,
Speaker 3: You're kissing my teacher at parents' day? What are you
Speaker 3: thinking about? What are you doing to me?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And it's like, wake the f upe, Why why am
Speaker 3: I here at this place?
Speaker 1: This this this revered.
Speaker 3: School and you're coming in and what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Mom?
Speaker 3: And I just thought that that scene was handled so
Speaker 3: deathly and so there was so much desperation and so
Speaker 3: much angst and so much I mean, it was so
Speaker 3: fraught with like this relationship could not I don't know
Speaker 3: about end at any moment, but this is this is
Speaker 3: really testing their bond here.
Speaker 4: I mean it's I completely agree, Yeah, totally, I completely agree.
Speaker 4: I I you know, it's again, I think the ability
Speaker 4: for the character of Rory to stand up to whoever
Speaker 4: she needs to be standing up to was quite remarkable
Speaker 4: that they that they chose to play her out like that.
Speaker 4: This question comes up a lot actually with fans and
Speaker 4: things like that, like the idea of what what Max
Speaker 4: and Lorli did together to jeopardize her Rory's relationships in school,
Speaker 4: with school, all that kind of stuff, and also jeopardizing
Speaker 4: their own status in in in in the town that
Speaker 4: they're living in at Chilton, all that kind of stuff that,
Speaker 4: you know, I question whether or not that that feeling
Speaker 4: would be what would happen if Rory didn't stand up
Speaker 4: to her mother and say, what do you you know?
Speaker 4: This is so wrong? Like I'm not sure, Like I
Speaker 4: think that people would have seen it as a romantic tryst,
Speaker 4: and people would have seen it as kind of like
Speaker 4: a you know, ooh, like oh, I can't believe they're
Speaker 4: doing that, as opposed to having an opinion about it,
Speaker 4: which I think is actually brilliant writing. I think it's
Speaker 4: like to be able to you're asking people to both
Speaker 4: understand that characters are flawed, but also to take to
Speaker 4: have judgment about them because they do something that hurts people,
Speaker 4: and so that those two things have to play with
Speaker 4: each other as opposed to one or the other, which
Speaker 4: I think is quite that that also, I think is brilliant,
Speaker 4: But I do question whether or not, like you know,
Speaker 4: people would think that way if Rory wasn't so affected
Speaker 4: by it, like I wonder if, like you know, it's
Speaker 4: just a question. It's not saying that it is or
Speaker 4: it isn't, but.
Speaker 3: As a palatinos messing it up, for setting up perfect
Speaker 3: situations or flawed situations, messing them up even further and
Speaker 3: then fixing it or watching people trying to clean up
Speaker 3: the mess, right right, all the forgiveness and stuff. And
Speaker 3: then we have Suki and Jackson. They're gonna with a
Speaker 3: really charming scene, very charming scene that you know, that
Speaker 3: scene right, that scene gives you hope. It's like if
Speaker 3: you if you have any kind of feelings about the
Speaker 3: episode of these characters and how you know, maybe morally
Speaker 3: or ethically compromise they are, you know, you get this
Speaker 3: this purity with with Suki and Jackson. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're gonna end it with this. They're gonna give us this.
Speaker 3: So now we kind of feel like, you know, we
Speaker 3: showered a little bit. It was around.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, totally that I actually I felt the same way.
Speaker 4: Actually I felt like I felt like I I felt
Speaker 4: like I deserved the laugh. Like I've been through so much.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, I can I need to I
Speaker 4: need to end with some kind of like, you know.
Speaker 1: You give us some fresh air.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it's not expected, right, and there's there's
Speaker 3: Melissa on your screen smiling and being great, and you're like, ah,
Speaker 3: exactly what I needed. You know, I've been through a
Speaker 3: really rough day. I need a I need a drink.
Speaker 1: There it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't quite sure what he was trying to sell, Like,
Speaker 4: I wasn't like what he was trying to get her
Speaker 4: to make. I was like, what what is that? Ve Like,
Speaker 4: what is he talking about?
Speaker 1: Like some hybrid thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was confusing to me.
Speaker 1: It was like a what was it a like an
Speaker 1: egg plant or something, an egg plant with a something else.
Speaker 4: I don't know, all right, It's like it looked like
Speaker 4: a flower or something like that.
Speaker 3: It was weird, right, Oh the very last thing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like a pumpkin or somebody. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was waving it at her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what it was either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what she always gets? That's what she always orders,
Speaker 4: so in the last bit, so I wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 4: sure what that was either. So it was, uh, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was that important.
Speaker 4: The fans would know, they would know exactly, they.
Speaker 3: Would definitely know, and they will chime in, Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: I just think you know an important episode, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know it's the first season, right, it's episode what.
Speaker 4: Eleven is the first season? Second season?
Speaker 1: It was first season.
Speaker 3: So now we're we're halfway, we're almost now we did
Speaker 3: twenty four the first year, so we're almost halfway through
Speaker 3: the first season. And by this time, you know, the
Speaker 3: fans are hooked, right, they love it, They're so curious
Speaker 3: about what's going to happen, and then they get this
Speaker 3: this very powerful episode. I mean just really you know,
Speaker 3: everybody punching above their weight throughout the entire thing, and
Speaker 3: it really really solidifies Max as you know, a serious
Speaker 3: contender for for loralized affections.
Speaker 4: How did you feel like kind of were you aware
Speaker 4: of how Luke was going to kind of play out?
Speaker 4: And oh no, And well, how did you feel like, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, being in an episode where it's like you're
Speaker 4: not quite certain like what your you know, were you
Speaker 4: clear on what your your your purpose was and I
Speaker 4: mean or did you feel like that kind of came
Speaker 4: later or did you like what what was discussed with
Speaker 4: you I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Nothing no, nothing discussed.
Speaker 3: It's like, come to work, hope your parking space is
Speaker 3: still there.
Speaker 1: You just keep hoping for the best guy. You know,
Speaker 1: really you still have a job now.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: We always felt fairly secure because you know, the diner
Speaker 3: is pretty much a central hub. You know, it established
Speaker 3: itself as as one of the two central hubs of of.
Speaker 1: That show, right.
Speaker 3: You know, we kind of felt that way with a
Speaker 3: pilot too, because I was just a guest star in
Speaker 3: the pilot. I wasn't a series regular yet, and but
Speaker 3: we were hopeful because the pilot episodes began with the
Speaker 3: diner and ended with the diners with oh, well this
Speaker 3: is going to be a location. This will be an
Speaker 3: established regular every episode location. So maybe you got a
Speaker 3: shot here, you know, this kind of thing. But I
Speaker 3: mean the way that your storyline was going, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: made me a little nervous, I thought, because you guys
Speaker 3: were so good together, and you know, I was like, boy,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen. I may you know,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe you take over the diner somehow, you know,
Speaker 3: put some books in there. Now it's called you know,
Speaker 3: Max's Place or something or Max's spoon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was never you know, becoming a regular was
Speaker 4: never ever, ever, ever, ever ever discussed. I mean, that
Speaker 4: was never never a conversation. There was there, there was conversations.
Speaker 4: I remember. I think I was doing a pilot and
Speaker 4: then I was on the Warner Brothers lot and I
Speaker 4: think it was season five or season not even season seven,
Speaker 4: because they were out right they were gone, so it
Speaker 4: must have been season five where Dan was like, we're
Speaker 4: bringing you back, We're going to bring you back, and
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, great, and then that never happened.
Speaker 4: But besides that, it was never never a conversation.
Speaker 3: Did you do my mice maisl.
Speaker 4: I did one episode?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Okay, did you do the new one? Did you do
Speaker 3: any of the new one? Because they're doing a new
Speaker 3: one about ballet?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it didn't do any Okay, all right, Well, look, Scott,
Speaker 3: that brings us to the end of our our little breakdown.
Speaker 3: Great catching up with you anything you're doing now you
Speaker 3: want to talk about.
Speaker 4: I have a movie coming out called Mooch in March.
Speaker 3: Okay, mooch in March, mooch in March, and uh, who's
Speaker 3: in it besides yourself?
Speaker 4: Uh? Louis can't sell me. You might know from uh
Speaker 4: what was the Scorsese the big movie last year about
Speaker 4: the os Age.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, he was in that.
Speaker 4: He's in a lot of like Scorsesees stuff. Uh, a
Speaker 4: couple of other people that you would know, But off
Speaker 4: the top of my head, I'm actually forgetting at the moment.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So Mooch in March with Scott Cohen.
Speaker 3: What kind of a character do you play?
Speaker 4: I played like a mob boss.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's really.
Speaker 4: Fun, really fun. That's really really really fun.
Speaker 1: That's great. All right, I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 3: Everybody check it out, Scott Colin Mooch and March.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming by the great Max Medina.
Speaker 4: Yeah there he is.
Speaker 1: Take care, Scott. Nice talking to you again.
Speaker 4: San Scott. Talk to you soon.
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