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Speaker 1: interesting because like, this guy's clearly talented and an NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Another guy. We have seen two recent examples of guys

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Speaker 1: made a ton of money, but it feels like they

427
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Speaker 1: would have played for free, right. That's the passion, the

428
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: toughness they show. They're just awesome players to watch. It's

429
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: easy to watch them on television if you're at a

430
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: game and go, this guy's just a badass. That has

431
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: not really been Trevor Lawrence's thing. I mean, hell, when

432
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence was coming out as dad was like, Eh,

433
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: Football's not everything. He's got other loves, you know. It's like, yeah,

434
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: I think Baker and Stafford really love their family, but

435
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: like football means a lot to them, you know. And

436
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: I just wonder like Liam Cohen looks at football through

437
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: the eyes of those two competitors, and I understand he's

438
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: been paid a lot of money, but we have seen

439
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: recent examples. Russell Wilson is a good one that like

440
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: those days, if the head coach doesn't like you and

441
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: doesn't want you, like if this thing does not go well,

442
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: and they obviously traded a future first round pick to

443
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: get Travis Hunter, so all of a sudden, if this

444
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: gets weird, which I think is very possible given that

445
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing in the NFL that maybe

446
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: a little bit this offseason, it's like, yeah, we'd probably

447
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: entertain giving him up because we're gonna need some picks,

448
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna need some reinforcements, and just go, yeah, this

449
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: is not our guy. This isn't our type player. And

450
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Speaker 1: like any young coach, it's like, I'm not saying that

451
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: he he shouldn't be willing and fired up to coach

452
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: the guy. But I think we've seen this song and

453
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: dance before. So if I was a betting man and

454
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Speaker 1: you tell me that this Jag season does not go

455
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Speaker 1: as planned, which I would, based on the last decade

456
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: plus of history, probably not gonna go well, I would

457
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Speaker 1: say everything would be on the table for Trevor Lawrence

458
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Speaker 1: next offseason. And this is one I did not see coming.

459
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Speaker 1: I was reading the actually watched this show called Missing

460
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: Amy or Amy's Missing or this crazy ass documentary on Netflix.

461
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: But between episodes, I like clicked on my phone in

462
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: the Athletic, the website came up and it was about

463
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: this new pre because Murphy just retired from the Packers

464
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: and his name is Ed Policy. He is the son

465
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: of Carmen Policy, who forever was like Eddie de Barbelow's consiglieri,

466
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Speaker 1: who became like the CEO of the forty nine Ers

467
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: during the Bill Walsh, George Seaffert, Joe Montana, Steve Young days.

468
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: It's like, damn, this is Carmen Policy's son is now

469
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: running the Packers and he's in charge. And what makes

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Speaker 1: the Packers unique is there's no Jerry Jones, there's no

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Speaker 1: Bob Kraft, there's no Jeffrey Louriy. Ed Policy is essentially

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Speaker 1: the Boss and Gudakins and Lafour, who I think are

473
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Speaker 1: good and I expect them to be good this season.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the Packers to win the division. That

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Speaker 1: being said, they have two years left on both their

476
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Speaker 1: contracts and they're coming off kind of just a weird season.

477
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Speaker 1: They went one to five in the division. You know,

478
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Speaker 1: Jordan Love was just a little hit or miss. I

479
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: think part of that was injury. But still it's this

480
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: is the result based business, right. You can give me

481
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Speaker 1: excuses till the cows come home. At the end of

482
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Speaker 1: the day, no one really gives a fuck. And reading

483
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: this article on the athletic ed policy is behind these guys.

484
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: He's rooting for him, but he's openly said, like listen,

485
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: like we got to get it done now. I don't

486
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: think they gotta win the Super Bowl, but I do

487
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: think I don't know if these two guys. Because most

488
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: people do not go into a lame duck season. Most

489
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: people GM or coach do not do what Mike McCarthy

490
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: just did or Joe Douglas just did. It's pretty rare,

491
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Speaker 1: especially when you have someone above you that did not

492
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Speaker 1: hire you. Now I'm only bringing his This would not

493
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: cross my mind. I didn't think about these guys being

494
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Speaker 1: on the hot seat. I don't even necessarily think they're

495
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: on the quote unquote hot seat. But after reading this article,

496
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Speaker 1: I went there is some pressure here, like if you

497
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Speaker 1: don't win, you're telling me this guy who's a lifetime

498
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Speaker 1: football guy who's been around football since the day was

499
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: born whose dad worked with Bill freaking Walsh, who helped

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Speaker 1: build with Eddie Bartelow, the big one of the great

501
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: dynasties in the history of professional sports. These guys better win,

502
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: These guys better have a good season. There is more

503
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: tangible pressure on this group, including Jordan Love, than I realized.

504
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: I went, Damn, I maybe people are talking about this

505
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: in Packerland, But I went, I don't. Could they just

506
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: have like an off season and go eight to nine

507
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: and just keep their jobs? I don't think so. So

508
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: I think there is sneaky some pressure in Green Bay

509
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: to win, you know, to win the division, to host

510
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: a playoff game, and just show some positive momentum with

511
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: Jordan Love for ed Policy to go. Okay, here's an extension,

512
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur and Brian Gutikins, you are my guys for

513
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: the future. But so you know, from Goudikins to the floor,

514
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: to Trevor Lawrence, to JJ McCarthy to Kyler Murray to

515
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: the guys in Atlanta, I think all these teams like

516
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me. I mean, I expect the Packers to

517
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: make the playoff, but hell, I mean I expect the

518
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers to compete for the Super Bowl last year,

519
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: and when six and eleven, like the NFL is weird,

520
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: weird shit happens, things go sideways really really quick. And

521
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: obviously some of these quarterback situations, given the pressure of

522
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: modern day football and the microscope that's on it, you

523
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: better buckle up because this thing can get weird fast.

524
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: I want to end on this. I love music, and

525
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: my go to musical genres have always been rock in country,

526
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: and I grew up listening to like gangster rap. Don't

527
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: as much, but I still throw it on when I'm

528
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: working out, but I don't listen to that much new stuff.

529
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: I realized the majority of stuff that I listen to

530
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: is from like the eighties and nineties. The older I get,

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00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got I feel like my dad, Like

532
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, my dad always listened to

533
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: old music. I'm like, I hate this stuff, and now

534
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: when it comes on, like I get emotional, I listen

535
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: to it all the time. But the thing I respect

536
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: most about a musician, especially someone and I think you

537
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: could say this in a rap too, guys who are

538
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: really versatile, who can do a lot. I mean, by

539
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: the time I came into my own listen to music.

540
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: In the mid nineties, Ozzy Osbourne was one of the

541
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Speaker 1: biggest you know and most established rock stars in like

542
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: the history of America worldwide. Obviously it's not from America,

543
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean. But I think, you know,

544
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: the thing I've always respected about like Metallica is and

545
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: I think it would be easy to get pigeonholed as

546
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: like a aggressive rock metal band is just being able

547
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: to do one thing and one thing really well, and

548
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: that's played like really loud, aggressive music. But some of

549
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: Metallica's best songs, honestly are kind of like slower ballads.

550
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I would say nothing else matters is like one of

551
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: my favorite songs of all time, and I would say

552
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: the same thing about Ozzy, and I think a lot

553
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: of people, especially if you're around my age, the thing

554
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: you remember most about Ozzy is the reality television show

555
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: when he was you know, it feels like he's kind

556
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: of been in la la land for a long time,

557
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: and obviously he's been sick now for a while. And

558
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I think he just raised like a couple hundred million

559
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: playing like two weeks ago. I mean, he just played

560
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: like his final concert of all time. I think over

561
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: in London. But Ozzie was really talented, and I think

562
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: the one thing you can get away with now in

563
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: any genre. This speaks for country, this speaks for rock,

564
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: this speaks for rap, is with technology, I think you

565
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: can kind of fudge it a little bit. And the

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00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: way I always judge a musician is like I, especially

567
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: with the country or rock, like I kind of go

568
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: to your acoustic version, like what do you sound like?

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Speaker 1: What do you sound like? If it's just you and

570
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: a guitar? Can you fucking hang? And you had to

571
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: back then because the technology did not exist. You could

572
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: not fake it right and now and listen, I sound

573
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: like the old man, get off my lawn. But I

574
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: do think based on technology and based on the ability

575
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: to manipulate sound, you can fake stuff a little bit.

576
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: And when you go to listen to Ozzie, just type

577
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: in some of this stuff in like the eighties, you know,

578
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: even the late seventies. It's hard because the sound quality

579
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: is not as great even the way it was filmed.

580
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: But it was like, God, this guy's fucking talented. This

581
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: guy can really really sing. And I think the other

582
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of dying and part of this is

583
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: with cameras and technology, it'd be hard to get away

584
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: from it. There is something to be like anyone my

585
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: age or older that grew up on the quote unquote

586
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: rock star that would just do crazy aft stuff. There

587
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: was something I don't know, mysterious, just cool about it,

588
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: even though it's like, yeah, he just burned down the

589
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: entire hotel and then he woke up in the pool

590
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: with a bag of drugs and his bus was on

591
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: fire right next to him. It's like that that type

592
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't really happen anymore. But it felt like all

593
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: these stories that you heard about Ozzie, one defining was

594
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: the bit the bat's head off, Like that stuff just

595
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: is a thing of the past. And I just think

596
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: that Ozzy's a dying breed of rock stars won where

597
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: if you didn't have the talent, you literally had no shot,

598
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: Like you had no shot if your talent was not elite,

599
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: it was impossible because you could not fake it. And

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00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: obviously from a personality and just a there's a craziness

601
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: factor that you can't really fake, and clearly he had it,

602
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: and obviously as he got older, you could feel the

603
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: impact of the way he lived his life in his

604
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: true rock star heyday, because I would say, you know,

605
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: his prime whatever that might be mid late seventies through

606
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: the eighties, was just an all time musical career in

607
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: the heyday of just pre camera phones, pre cameras, pre

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00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: social media. I've always respected this. If you became super

609
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: super famous before the Internet, it was typically I mean,

610
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: obviously you could have like an incident, like if you're

611
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky and you give him a BJ under the

612
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: Oval office desk like that. There were situations where people

613
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: could get famous that way. But I mean, like if

614
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: you were an athlete, if you were a musician, if

615
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: you were an actor or an actress, and you were

616
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: like worldwide known and respected, like you had some talent.

617
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: And that's the way I would describe Ossie. It's like

618
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: there was a lot of talent in that body. Let's

619
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Speaker 1: do a little Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff at John

620
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms, and get

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Speaker 1: your questions answered here on the show. We're gonna start

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00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: with Adam got a question for the pod. If you

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Speaker 1: get a chance, when a coach calls the plays for

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00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: one side of the ball, like McVeigh or Lafleur on

625
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: offense or Demiico on defense. What does the team's coordinator

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00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball actually do? Do they

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00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: help the coach create the scheme on that side of

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Speaker 1: the ball or is the coordinator sort of expendable when

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Speaker 1: you got the head coach calling that side of the game.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, when a coach is viewed as

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Speaker 1: an offensive scheme guy sark debor or a defensive scheme

632
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: guy Saban or Kirby, how much do they actually contribute

633
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: to the development of the scheme on the other side

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00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: of the ball where they're not viewed as as much

635
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Speaker 1: of an expert. Thanks, I think I can speak better

636
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: to this with an offensive coordinator. Typically your offensive coordinator, right,

637
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: and there's a ton of them in the NFL now,

638
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: Kevin McVeigh, Lafleur, Kyle you know, Andy kind of goes

639
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Speaker 1: both ways. But day ball has kind of gone back

640
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: and forth to typically they have their coordinator. A lot

641
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: of times they have a run game coordinator, so his

642
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: job will be to scheme the run plays or play

643
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: a major role in the film development early in the

644
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: week of the running game. And then a lot of

645
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: people now split it with a run game pass game coordinator,

646
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: and those people work with the head coach to develop

647
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: the game plan. I think if you went even if

648
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: you didn't have quote unquote a coordinator, right when you

649
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: go into an offensive meeting room on Monday afternoon and

650
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: Tuesday developing the game plan, the offensive line coach, the

651
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver coach, the run they're all kind of throwing

652
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: different ideas around. So it's I would say most of

653
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: the best organizations are a pretty collaborative, collaborative operation. But

654
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: typically the coordinator is going to have a strength, right,

655
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: Like when Mike McDaniel was Shanahan's coordinator for a year

656
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: or two before he became the Dolphins, Like he is

657
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: a run game guy. It's what he's really really good at. Right,

658
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell more pass game oriented. So I think you

659
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: just help with your strengths and the stuff you're not

660
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: as good at. You probably you know, listen and learn

661
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: and try to get better at and know Like if

662
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: I become the coordinator of calling plays, I need to

663
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: improve in that level. Obviously a lot of offensive line

664
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: coaches play a big role in the run game, but

665
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty collaborative. You know, obviously the final

666
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: decision is made by the coordinator, which now in the

667
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: nfls a lot of times the head coach. I think,

668
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: defensively in the example you gave, even we could use

669
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: college ampro like Demiko Kirby Saban. They have a huge

670
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: huge impact on defense because philosophically they have beliefs. As

671
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: a head coach, right, even if I'm not calling offense

672
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: or defense, if I'm Nick Saban, you are running philosophically

673
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: what I want you to run. Right, It's why I've

674
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: hired you. It's why we spend all the off season

675
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: during training camp. My hands are very, very involved. There's

676
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: rare cases where it's like probably like Andy with Spags,

677
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: Like Spags is so good. I'm not saying that they

678
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: don't talk scheme and like he doesn't have an influence,

679
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: but that would be pretty rare. Right, maybe Solid now

680
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: back with Kyle gets a little more free reign. The

681
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: head coach is kind of in your ass about constant,

682
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: especially if you are struggling or have a bad game

683
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: about things he wants to see, especially during the game.

684
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: I think we would be stunned how often a head

685
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: coach gets on the microphone to the opposite side of

686
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: the ball, especially if it's a defensive head coach. Run

687
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: the ball here. I'm not telling you what play to call.

688
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: I want to run. I slow down the game. I

689
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: want to run because he's in charge of the game,

690
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: and that's what is challenging when you're a coordinator. Also,

691
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: the head coach is like, you know, the offense comes off,

692
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: you kind of got to gather yourself. That's where you

693
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: need the assistance to help kind of manage everything because

694
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: you still got to watch the game if they any timeouts.

695
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of shit going on. It's a good question.

696
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: I got to push back on your opinion of Dylan Riyola.

697
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: You repeatedly talk about him not being any good. This

698
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: is only compared to the unrealistic expectations Outsider's place. He

699
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: was dramatically better than anyone who played quarterback recently in

700
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Nebraska led us to our first Bowl win in a decade.

701
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: You have high praise for Colorado. For Colorado, Nebraska dominate them.

702
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd get high praise for Colorado.

703
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: I just they they were one and eleven or whatever,

704
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: and two years later they're winning eight to nine games,

705
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: and I would say Shadors proved to be a better

706
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: player than Riola. I'm not saying Riola sucks. All I

707
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: said was relative to a guy you're giving four or

708
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: five million dollars too. And I would say the same

709
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: thing about Nico. The expectation was like, this guy could

710
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Speaker 1: be a number one overall pick. So yeah, if you're

711
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: compared him to what was the quarterback's name from Fresno,

712
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Adrian Martinez, obviously he's I would take Riola over at Martinez.

713
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: But the guy that was supposed to go to Ohio

714
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: State in Georgia, no wonder. Kirby's like, yeah, we're not

715
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Speaker 1: paying this, you know. Now we'll see if Kirby's guy's

716
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: any good this year. But I think part of the

717
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: hype and part of the money adds to an unrealistic,

718
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: unfair expectation. Right. The expectation for this kid at Michigan

719
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: that they just gave fifteen to twenty million dollars to

720
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: is outrageously high. Number one overall recruit. All the billionaires

721
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: ponied up money to buy him from LSU. So yeah,

722
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: I'd say anything less than him throwing a bunch of

723
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: touchdowns and looking unreal in the big games. It's gonna

724
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: feel disappointing. So is it unfair? Probably a little bit.

725
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Speaker 1: Would we have judged Riola the same way ten years ago?

726
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: Probably not now. It's just there are unfair expectations and

727
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: I think there was just a recklessness to his game.

728
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: But Holgerston has a long history of being a good

729
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, so I'm excited to watch. I do not

730
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: think by any means like he's just gonna suck. I

731
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: just said, based on last year, for the expectations it

732
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: felt underwhelming. I mean there was one game where you

733
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Speaker 1: guys had like a fourth and fifty in overtime. Again,

734
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Speaker 1: he's eighteen year old kid. Totally fair, But the expectations

735
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: now for these young players and the hype machine is

736
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: just borderline out of control. Love the pod, congrats and

737
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: starting a family. That's awesome. Lifelong Bengals fan, not a question,

738
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: but just want to know, Just want you to know

739
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow will overcome the Browns family and bring the

740
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Bengals super Bowl. That's how good he is. I mean,

741
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: if he does, he'll be pretty legendary. I think the

742
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: Bengals got a lot going on in terms of the

743
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: owner talking, the GM talking, Shamar Stewart's agent talking, Trey

744
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Hendrickson talking, it's just it's good. Thing is July twenty second.

745
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: I think you got a couple of weeks to just

746
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: figure this out. But once you get to like mid August.

747
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: One thing for Trey, like he could probably show up

748
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: a couple weeks before, be fine. The rookie. This was

749
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: a guy who got four and a half sacks? Is he?

750
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: Are they gonna figure this out? If it is true?

751
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: And I'm no contract negotiator, no Harry Roseman here, but

752
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: if Mike Brown is simply arguing and other teams have

753
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: done this too, like if you go to jail, we're

754
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: not gonna pay you, I'm sorry. I'm on the Bengal

755
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: side on that one, especially if other teams this year

756
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: have had the same language, because they're like, well the

757
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: Bengals had that language in before, Well so did other teams.

758
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Now they're pulling it out in twenty twenty five. Because

759
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: if it's simply as if you go to jail, we

760
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: don't have to keep paying you. I'm on the team side. Now.

761
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of back and forth. They've both kind

762
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: of lost me. But it's got to be exhausting to

763
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: be in part of these situations. How do you prepare

764
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: for a podcast? I know Colin has a two hour routine.

765
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Do you review dms ahead of time then rehearse your

766
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: answers or takes or do you read them in real time?

767
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: Because your gift of gab is so you seem so natural,

768
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. The main meat of the podcast, like

769
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: any topics and angles I'm gonna take obviously, Like I

770
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: typically get up, I would say once football really gets going.

771
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: I try to get up between six and six thirty.

772
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: I go to the expresso machine, I make myself a

773
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: double shot. I come to my desk, I check the

774
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: stock market, I slam that espresso. I make a big

775
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Stanley so I can hydrate for an hour an hour

776
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: and a half. I try to just throw some initial

777
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: thoughts together, see what's going on. Then I go to

778
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: the gym and then I usually come back and then

779
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: I kind of hammer that out with the DMS. I

780
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: used to go through Instagram, but in you can't really

781
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: sort that well. So what I do is before we

782
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: do the mail bag, I go I pick like you know,

783
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: Penn fifteen However, many unread or you know, until I

784
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: feel like we got at least thirty forty five minutes

785
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: with content, and I just take screenshots, So I mean

786
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: I kind of read over him, but I don't have

787
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: like a rehearsed take on Dylan Ryola before I press record,

788
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: unlike the meat of the podcast I do, and for

789
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: those on YouTube, we split it up, so it's like

790
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: two separate things. But as a lifelong Eagles fan, I

791
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: have a question about McNabb, who is my favorite player

792
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: of all time. How was he viewed within the Eagles

793
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: organization when you joined? Also, do you think he could

794
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Speaker 1: have won a Super Bowl if he had been given

795
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: more offensive weapons? Well, when I got hired, he had

796
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: just gotten traded to the to the commanders. So when

797
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: I got there, it was supposed to be Kevin Cobbs

798
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: for year starting, and then then he got KO'ed in

799
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: the first game by Clay Matthews, and then Michael Vick

800
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: came in and Michael Vick just kept playing. So I

801
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: never was around McNabb. You know, when I first got there,

802
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: just trading McNabb, he was older, kind of falling apart it,

803
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's I don't want to say the wounds

804
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: and the situation was fresh, but it was like anytime

805
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: you come into a situation where a guy had just left.

806
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: It's not like I showed up in two in the

807
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: peak of his powers for the next five years. So

808
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: I think obviously he was a huge reason. He changed

809
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: the course of that franchise with Coach Reid, and I

810
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: think big picture, he's viewed pretty highly there. But when

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Speaker 1: I when I got there, it was like a transitional

812
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: period with Shady McCoy, DeShawn Jackson, guys like that kind

813
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: of taken over and McNabb gone. My friends and I

814
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: often have debated a hypothetical or redraft of an NFL player.

815
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: For this exercise, we will say the draft order is

816
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: the same as it was this year. Every player currently

817
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL is on the board. How many quarterbacks

818
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: do you think would be taken in the first round?

819
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: The obvious ones are the top guys that we all discuss,

820
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: but I'm curious to know how many teams would reach

821
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: for guys in round one, given how crucial the position is.

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00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: On a separate note, thanks for putting out content regularly.

823
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I would say it's a great question.

824
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Speaker 1: I would say at least fifteen plus maybe once you

825
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: got to like, you know, that line of twelve to

826
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: fifteen guys off the board, it's like, am I gonna

827
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: take Tua? Or am I gonna take my chance in

828
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 1: the second round. But it's like, what if Tua goes

829
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Speaker 1: in the twenties and then all of a sudden, you're

830
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: taking Will Levis. So I think a lot you could

831
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Speaker 1: argue they might be the first twenty picks, because it's like,

832
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Speaker 1: are you gonna take would you take Micah Parsons or

833
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: Panay Sewel or Jamar Chase or a guy like that

834
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: over Kyler Murray? And again, in this exercise, you have

835
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: to factor in age where we're just talking one year,

836
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: because if it's just one year, you feel comfortable taking

837
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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. If it's like over the course of the

838
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: next ten years, you know, Matt Stafford's probably not going

839
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Speaker 1: in the first round, or maybe he is, and you

840
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: just go, we'll figure it out next year. In this

841
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Speaker 1: hypothetical draft, do you think the Vikings could or would

842
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: trade JJ McCarthy for cam Ward who do you think

843
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: will have a better career? No, that the Titans. There's

844
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: no trade going on there. I don't think the Titans

845
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: would make that trade, and I don't think the Vikings

846
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: would make that trade either. The Titans definitely would not

847
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: make that trade. Feels like JJ will have a Matt

848
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: Ryan career, while cam Ward made me more like a

849
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: Jamis Mariota. Cam Ward is way more physically gifted as

850
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: a thrower than Mariota. He definitely has some Jamis to him.

851
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a better athlete than Jamis. Yeah,

852
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's some of these guys are not gonna

853
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: work out, right, We've had a lot of them in

854
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: recent memory. Feel like workout. I mean the draft where Burrow,

855
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: Herbert and Tua, Like that's pretty unheard of. Listen, we

856
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: can pick apart Tua, but like he's a legitimate starting

857
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. Burrow is one of the best quarterbacks,

858
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: and Herbert is a top five or six guy. I

859
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: would bet on cam Ward over JJ McCarthy, But JJ

860
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: in a way better spot, really good coach, really good team,

861
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: good defense, unreal weapons. If JJ can't succeed in Minnesota,

862
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: he's not gonna succeed anywhere. A question for the bag

863
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: I grew up a Cardinal fan watching Larry dominate the league.

864
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: Played with some of the worst quarterbacks ever to play,

865
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: like Ryan Lindsay. I think it's Lynn Lee, John Skelton,

866
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, Derek Anderson, Drew Stan Blaine Gabbert. Guy. He

867
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: did play with some scrubs. He put up insane numbers,

868
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: but he never gets talked about as a top wide

869
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: three wide receiver. Ever. He didn't get Joe Montana or

870
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: Steve Younger, Matt Stafford and dominated the league, but he

871
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: went under He was underrated his whole career. Where would

872
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: you rank Larry all time? It's a good question. I mean,

873
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: he's one of the great playoff performers ever. I mean,

874
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: his performances in the playoffs feel like I was just

875
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna go pull up his stats really quick because his

876
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: playoff numbers were just incredible. In the playoffs, Larry has

877
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: eight five targets, fifty seven catches, one thousand yards, and

878
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. In the eight run, he had thirty catches

879
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: for five hundred and fifty yards and seven touchdowns and

880
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: averaged eighteen yards a catch. He was pretty unreal in

881
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: that one. When he when they made the Super Bowl yeah,

882
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean he's just he's a bright lights guy. I

883
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: would say the thing about Larry just looking at his

884
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: game logs. I mean, he just didn't miss many games.

885
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: He missed three, he missed one, he missed a couple.

886
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: It feels like he missed like five games, like fifteen years. Yeah,

887
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'd have no problem putting him as like

888
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: a top ten wide receiver of all time. But it's like,

889
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Randy go really high. Terrell Owens pretty polarizing.

890
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: You could argue this like would you rather have Larry

891
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald or Torell Owens? Terrell Owens was a freak show.

892
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: But god, who's a pain in the ass. I mean,

893
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Larry's like Man of the Year, an all time great,

894
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer. I mean you can make

895
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: him and Calvin Johnson, you can make the argument, like

896
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: just put him on any team, especially if they're good,

897
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna be unreal. Imagine if you had put like

898
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald on the Pittsburgh Steelers with Roethlisberger. Well, like,

899
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: imagine if Larry Fitzgerald was twenty five years old right

900
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: now and on the Ravens, he'd be unstoppable. So one

901
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: thing with wide receivers lots out of your control. I

902
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: mean a lot of those years. Think about some of

903
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: the coaches Larry had, I mean really beside Arians when

904
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: he was older, and I'm pretty sure didn't Arians move

905
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: him to the slot. I mean Arians for a couple

906
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: of years one hundred and nine, one hundred and seven,

907
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: Kit Larry kicked ass for Brus when he put him

908
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: in the slot. But some of those years, I mean

909
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: the peak of his powers, like four or five years

910
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: in he was a beast man. Catches fifteen hundred yards,

911
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: ninety six catches fifteen hundred yards, ten touchdowns, twelve touchdowns,

912
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: thirteen touchdowns. I saw him at this like barstool DraftKings

913
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: gambling thing, probably like I don't know, four or five

914
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: months ago, he is fucking big. It's like, how could

915
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: you tackle that guy? I loved your show with Colin

916
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: over the weekend. What are your full thoughts around the

917
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: w NBA CBA With you sharing space with Colin and

918
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: his show, I feel like you didn't have a chance

919
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: to tell us your real take on the whole WNBA thing.

920
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: I tend to fall with your thought. The w is

921
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: nothing without CC and they have a hot pile of garbage.

922
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: I think one main difference like when Colin talks about

923
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: that topic and when he talks about Caitlin Clark a

924
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: lot on his show, So the WNBA, he's kind of

925
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: in that world. I followed the WNBA on the internet, right, like,

926
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: I know what Caitlyn's doing because people are tweeting and

927
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: instagram posting, and I see the highlights. I'm not sitting

928
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: down and watching the Indiana fever. But if I was

929
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: gonna watch a game, it'd be that I don't watch.

930
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: You couldn't pay me to watch any of the other games.

931
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't pretend to care that much,

932
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: but I love business and I love talking money. So

933
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk, what do they I heard this

934
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: saying a long time ago, and I wrote it down.

935
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it till the day I die. Life

936
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: is not about what you deserve, it's what you can negotiate.

937
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: Business does not care about your feelings. And obviously for

938
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: most of these sports, basketball, baseball, football, there's a revenue

939
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: sharing agreement and it's typically around fifty percent. Right, I'm

940
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: in the business of sharing revenue with people I'm in

941
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: business with right, I wouldn't get out of bed for

942
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: nine percent right now, there are some people in business,

943
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, based on my podcast revenue, Right, I would

944
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: never sign that deal. But if my podcast had lost

945
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: money for years and I was still getting paid based

946
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: on money that I was not generating, it's a conversation

947
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: with it's so funny to see everyone up in arms,

948
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: or that'd be let me rewind that. Some of the

949
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: dialogue surrounding the late night television show. It's like, well,

950
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: well they're losing forty to fifty million dollars a year.

951
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: There is no industry where you're gonna go year after

952
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: year losing forty or fifty million dollars a year on

953
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: one television show and survive. Honestly, it's unheard of they

954
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: went this long. The WNBA is different. It's a lot

955
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: like non revenue generating sports in college right, football program

956
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: basically play pays for all your other sports. Men's basketball,

957
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: depending on the school, can make a lot of money.

958
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: Some of the big schools, the women's basketball could make money,

959
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: but all the other sports, especially the Olympic sports, lose

960
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: money and are subsidized. So the NBA is subsidized. Then

961
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: now if they've turned the corner now and are gonna

962
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: make money, I totally understand negotiating for a higher percentage,

963
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: but like, what is the fair percent? Would the league

964
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: go under if you paid them forty five percent? Can

965
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: you go from nine percent to fifty percent? Probably not?

966
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Can you go from nine percent to twenty five percent?

967
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: I think that can make some sense if financially you're

968
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: still making money. I also think this is the league

969
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: really propped up by one individual, Like is the WNBA

970
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: that popular right now? Or is Caitlin that popular? Caitlin

971
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: did not play in the WNBA All Star Game and

972
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: the ratings were way down. It was well reported whatever

973
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: a month ago that when she got injured that the

974
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: ratings in the league plummeted. So it's like, is the

975
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: WNBA having some big renaissance or is one human being

976
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: propping up the league? And obviously you can't just pay

977
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: her like five million dollars and pay everyone, you know,

978
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: it's collectively bargained. But it's pretty complicated, you know, it

979
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: really is. So some people are arguing, like what about

980
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: all the tech companies. Some of the biggest tech companies

981
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: didn't make money forever and they could pay people. It's like, well, yeah,

982
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: they paid in typically stock shares, so it's like, if

983
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: this hits, you get equity. Well that's the problem with

984
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: pro sports. There's only one person who has equity in

985
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: the operation or a group of people, and that's the

986
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: owner of the franchise. So I just think it's you know,

987
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: and Ethan Strauss wrote about this that the television ratings

988
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: are going to go higher, but they're also included in

989
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: the NBA's television deal, so it's like the NBA is

990
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: in control, as they should be, given that they funded

991
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: the entire league. Do I think Caitlin Clark should make

992
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars? Obviously she should make more than

993
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: that some of the top players, of course. But I

994
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: also don't really give a shit because I don't pretend

995
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: it's like that Shane Gillis joke, like everyone clapped for

996
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: a reason they had no clue. I don't pretend to

997
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: be banging out these games on my couch. I know

998
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: when she does well or when she's injured because I

999
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: see it on social media, but I'm not watching the games,

1000
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: but I am paying attention. She's got me to pay attention.

1001
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: I also don't really like lose sleep, Like are they

1002
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: going to have a lockout or a strike or a

1003
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: holdout or what whatever? Won't change my sports viewing habits

1004
00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: at all. When scouting college players, are you I'm more

1005
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: intrigued by a player who had one big final season

1006
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: with great numbers or would you prefer a player that

1007
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: has played two to three years. Each year that player

1008
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: develops and gets substantially better, but may not have had

1009
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: the eye popping numbers in his final year like previous mentioned. Basically,

1010
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: which do you value more in scouting? One thing I

1011
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: learned obviously doing that and doing what I do now

1012
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: is you have to take every player as their own

1013
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: individual circumstance. You know, every player is different from someone else.

1014
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: So it's like Joe Burrow had one big year that

1015
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: clearly translated to the NFL. Jaden Daniels had one breakout year,

1016
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: it translated, Baker Mayfield had a huge, long career at

1017
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: Oklahoma that's translated. But this is also difficult. Like TJ.

1018
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: Watt texting some of my buddies, I remember a couple

1019
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: of years ago, It's like, how did this guy fall

1020
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: to the late twenties they're like, well, I didn't think

1021
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: it was that in college. It's what we talked about

1022
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: with the Honey Badger. This is really really hard. Obviously,

1023
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: if you have an unreal year, right one year at

1024
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: the highest level, so at a big program and a

1025
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: big conference, you're proven that you can do it week

1026
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: in week out. For now with the playoffs potentially fourteen

1027
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: to fifteen games, that's impressive. But if you have a

1028
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: long body of work, like some of the guy like

1029
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: Caleb Downs for Ohio State plays to Alabama unreal, goes

1030
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: to Ohio State unreal for a couple of years, it's like,

1031
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna be good. If he stays healthy, he's gonna

1032
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: be an excellent NFL player. Jeremiah Smith same thing. There

1033
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: are gonna be some guys this year that pop. There

1034
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: are also some guys that have down years. Well it's

1035
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: like why they have a down year, Well, they change coordinators,

1036
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line sucked, his quarterback wasn't any good, and

1037
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: he only had forty five catches. But he's a big

1038
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: time player. So I think you have to look every

1039
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: single individual player as their own story, and that's where

1040
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: you you know you gotta spend especially a draftable player

1041
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: or a guy that's gonna get drafted in the top

1042
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't know one hundred plus picks really understand all

1043
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: the different variables, because this is not like in baseball.

1044
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: You can either hit or you can't. Right. You can

1045
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: either run or you can't. You gotta you can throw

1046
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: ninety eight or you can't. Right, Maybe we can develop

1047
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: a secondary pitch, but it's kind of like what you

1048
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: see with what you get, is there anything to work with?

1049
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: In football, there are a million variables. It's like, well,

1050
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: they had a big coaching change, they changed the scheme

1051
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: and it was an awful fit for his ability. But

1052
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: two years ago, when he played in the zone defense,

1053
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: he was one of the best corners in the league.

1054
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: This year they played more of a man demand scheme.

1055
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: He's not the fastest guy. It kind of exposed him, right,

1056
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: So you gotta factor all these things in. It's just

1057
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: a long way of saying that I don't think either

1058
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: or it truly doesn't matter. Because Trevor Lawrence started as

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Speaker 1: a true freshman, won the National Championship. Number one overall

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Speaker 1: pick Joe Burrow was viewed as like a fifth round

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Speaker 1: pick till his senior year then he was a no

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Speaker 1: brainer number one overall pick. I just think it varies

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Speaker 1: player to player question for the bag, does Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: not get enough credit for making two solid consecutive hires

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Speaker 1: at the offensive coordinator as a defensive head coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think I think the organization gets a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit. I think Todd is an easy personality.

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Speaker 1: People really like working for him. Clearly, I think he

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Speaker 1: learned a lot working with Bruce arians Right, he's Bruce's guy,

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Speaker 1: but Bruce is an offensive guy, so I think he's

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Speaker 1: got a pretty good feel for what he's looking for.

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Speaker 1: I think Jason has been in the league for a

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Speaker 1: long long time, been around a lot of coaches from

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid to Belichick, and has a very good field

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Speaker 1: to help him out. And Baker Mayfield is just has

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Speaker 1: proven to be an excellent guy for a coach to

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Speaker 1: come work with. So I just think the organization from

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Speaker 1: the head coach to the GM to the quarter back

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Speaker 1: like the Bucks, have been really impressive from the pivot

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Speaker 1: they had when Tom officially officially retired, like retired but

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Speaker 1: I'm not coming back in the middle of this summer.

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Speaker 1: They deserve a lot of credit because they just kept

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Speaker 1: on winning, and it's not easy to find a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and they went from Tom Brady to Baker Mayfield, and

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is like a Pro Bowl level guy and

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Speaker 1: that was an excellent transition. Okay, we'll end on this.

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Speaker 1: Can you break down the podcast business? Does one of

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Speaker 1: the podcast revenue come from advertisements or is Spotify Apple

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Speaker 1: also paying for listens? Are there other factors at play?

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Speaker 1: Apple does not pay for listens. Spotify pretty sure does

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Speaker 1: not pay for listens. Advertising is a pretty massive part

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Speaker 1: of the business obviously, so whether we sell Travis Matthews

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Speaker 1: or game time, they pay a Once you get to

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Speaker 1: a certain level, you negotiate a rate for month, for

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Speaker 1: a quarter, for multiple quarters, for the year, for a title, sponsorship,

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Speaker 1: for placement, maybe in the middle of the show. Obviously

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Speaker 1: the price point varies from spot to spot. But you know,

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Speaker 1: best case scenario is you sell advertising to massive companies

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Speaker 1: for a lot of money and they are a huge

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Speaker 1: part of your business, and YouTube pays. You know, they

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Speaker 1: pay a revenue split that just based on how many

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Speaker 1: people you can have watching. And obviously through YouTube, like

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Speaker 1: the podcast, you can integrate both to sell the advertising.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't. We don't do merch here, but that

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Speaker 1: is another big area. You know. Barstool is a good example.

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Speaker 1: They make a lot of money off selling merch and

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Speaker 1: so it's basically advertising. All podcasts essentially is is what

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Speaker 1: radio was forever. The difference is in too that twenty

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Speaker 1: five people do not listen to terrestrial radio like they

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Speaker 1: consume podcasts because of the phone. But all radio was

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Speaker 1: was an audio version of newspapers, which was advertising distribution.

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Speaker 1: That's no different what television is. Why is the NFL

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Speaker 1: so valuable to CBS or Fox or ABC or NBC

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Speaker 1: or whatever, right? Why because they can have ten, fifteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty million people watch the games, meaning they can sell

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Speaker 1: premium advertising real estate. And if I'm paying a billion dollars,

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Speaker 1: I think I can make one point five billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Math one on one, I'm making a profit of five

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Again, I don't, I'm just making up numbers.

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Speaker 1: But no different here, right, Once you get to a

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Speaker 1: certain amount of listeners, start with a thousand, get to

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Speaker 1: ten thousand, get to one hundred thousand per episode, you

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Speaker 1: can sell at different rates. Obviously the bigger podcasts, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're doing tens of millions of dollars, and other podcasts

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Speaker 1: are doing six to low seven figures and doing well,

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Speaker 1: but it's typically just based on advertising. Yes, that's where

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Speaker 1: I guess all of the money on this venture comes from,

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Speaker 1: is from an advertising standpoint. But it was no different

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Speaker 1: when I worked in radio or television. It's all the

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Speaker 1: same business concept, right. It's using the content to market

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Speaker 1: whatever companies and they pay for that space. Okay, before

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Speaker 1: we get out of here, I got to tell you

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Speaker 1: about Live Golf UK. They are playing at the JCB

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Speaker 1: Golf and Country Club. I saw some pictures of it

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Speaker 1: on the internet. It looks pretty cool, obviously, lives coming off,

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Speaker 1: you know. D Chambeau shot seventy eight in the first

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Speaker 1: round of the Open and then he shot sixteen under

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Speaker 1: to finish in the top five. Hatton was really good.

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Speaker 1: He was in the mix really most of the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Mickelson made the cut. So always exciting to see these

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Speaker 1: guys across the pond. You got John Rahm, Legion, thirteen,

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Speaker 1: Bryson and the Crushers. So you can check it out

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Speaker 1: this weekend at the JCB Golf and Country Club. Follow

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Speaker 1: every shot on Fox Sports. Bryson phil Koepka dj DJ

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Speaker 1: made the cut at the Open as well. Look actually

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Speaker 1: had some pretty good moments on Friday watching them play

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Speaker 1: a little bit. We'll see the individual stakes at hand. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Waco Neeman has had a hell of a season, but

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Speaker 1: John Rahm and Bryson D. Chambeau are right on his tail.

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Speaker 1: So again, check it out on Fox JCB Golfing, country

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Speaker 1: Club Live, Golf The Volume