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Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks, and welcome to Amy and TJ presents

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Speaker 1: the Diddy Trial. This is Wednesday, May fourteenth, which represents

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Speaker 1: day three of testimony in the Diddy trial. In day

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Speaker 1: two was absolutely captivating roads. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: know there are no cameras being allowed in the courtroom,

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Speaker 1: so there is a whole bunch of places you can

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Speaker 1: go and try to pluck and figure out exactly what

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Speaker 1: happened in court. So we decide we're actually doing this

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Speaker 1: right here to kind of all put it in one

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Speaker 1: place and kind of give you the latest, the updates

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Speaker 1: and maybe what's most important that's come out of the

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Speaker 1: trial so far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because you do have to go to

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Speaker 2: several different sources to piece together what was said in

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Speaker 2: court because there was so much to go through. Yesterday's

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Speaker 2: testimony with Ditty's ex girlfriend Cassie Ventura, was you said, captivating.

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Speaker 2: It was so difficult to hear. It's mind boggling to

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Speaker 2: hear what she claims happened to her over a ten

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Speaker 2: year period. But man, does she get into the details

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Speaker 2: and they are.

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Speaker 1: Gic, gripping and graphic graphic. Is certainly want to give

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Speaker 1: your heads up here, folks, A lot of what you're

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Speaker 1: going to hear hear us describe over the next several

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Speaker 1: minutes is absolutely gripping. But yes, it is absolutely graphic

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Speaker 1: detail and descriptions of those infamous free coughs I think robes.

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Speaker 1: When he was first arrested, in the story first start

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Speaker 1: coming out, rightly or wrongly, a lot of headlines were

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Speaker 1: about the salaciousness, if you will, of these freak coughs,

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Speaker 1: these sex parties and baby oil and all these things.

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Speaker 1: But she gave us a different type of accounting and

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Speaker 1: more detailed than we've heard so far.

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Speaker 2: Probably baby oil, I feel like those were the two

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Speaker 2: words that everyone was talking about, and how much baby

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Speaker 2: oil was found in his homes when they were rated

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Speaker 2: by police. But she certainly talks about how it was

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Speaker 2: used and how drugs were used, how she didn't sleep

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Speaker 2: for days, she claims, because she was hopped up on drugs.

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Speaker 2: And she talks about what the hotel rooms look like

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Speaker 2: after these freak offs. She said that linen's were stained

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Speaker 2: with blood and urine and baby oil and just the

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Speaker 2: destruction that took place in some of these rooms, she claimed.

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Speaker 1: So let's get to what was day two? So this

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Speaker 1: is when, Yes, Cassie Ventura took the stance. She has

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Speaker 1: absolutely star witnessed in this case. She's the one who

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Speaker 1: was in a relationship with Ditty for about ten years.

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Speaker 1: They were on and off, but this is his former girlfriend. Now.

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Speaker 1: She entered the courtroom yesterday and by all accounts, she

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Speaker 1: didn't look at him at all. She is thirty eight

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Speaker 1: year old woman now who is married, who is about

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Speaker 1: to have another child, she's eight months pregnant, in the

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Speaker 1: courtroom testifying well some pretty awful stuff, and they say

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Speaker 1: she gestured at time and holding her stomach is what

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Speaker 1: several places were describing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And in fact, Ditty's lawyers were so concerned about

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Speaker 2: how that would play for the jury because she had

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Speaker 2: I think she's eight and a half months pregnant. She

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Speaker 2: is literally about to give birth, and they were concerned.

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Speaker 2: Diddy's attorneys were concerned that that might make some of

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Speaker 2: the jurors more sympathetic and cause problems for Ditty in

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Speaker 2: terms of just his believability, because people obviously have sympathy

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Speaker 2: for what she's saying she went through in addition to

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Speaker 2: her current her current condition. So they asked that she

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Speaker 2: be seated. The whole time. They didn't want jurors to

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Speaker 2: see her standing up, They didn't want to have durors

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Speaker 2: see her walking in. But yeah, she walked in eight

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Speaker 2: and a half months pregnant, as you pointed out, didn't

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Speaker 2: look at him, but by the folks who saw him

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Speaker 2: watched her walk all the way up to the witness stands.

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Speaker 1: And a reminder her of folks. We call her a

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Speaker 1: star witness, but I think it's fair, is it not

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Speaker 1: right Robes that we can say she is the one

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Speaker 1: who maybe started this snowball going downhill for Diddy when

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Speaker 1: she was suing him for I think I don't know

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Speaker 1: if the amount was out at the time, but she

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Speaker 1: was suing him for millions and millions of dollars for

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Speaker 1: how she was treated. He said he wasn't going to settle.

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Speaker 1: I think did the video come out, and I think

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Speaker 2: Later everything changed, correct, So yeah, she filed a lawsuit

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Speaker 2: I believe it was back in twenty twenty three, claiming

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Speaker 2: when that video came out, but that, of course, then

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Speaker 1: So thirty million dollars is what she got from him.

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Speaker 1: But then here come lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuits. So

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Speaker 1: there have been dozens of lawsuits, as you know, people

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Speaker 1: coming after him in civil suits having to do with

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Speaker 1: how they alleged he treated him. But this is now

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Speaker 1: a criminal case. The federal authorities launched a federal case,

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Speaker 1: so that is what he's dealing with. Now. Five federal

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Speaker 1: counts could get life in prison. But their star witness

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Speaker 1: took the stand. And we have to remember Robes and

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Speaker 1: this is something we look at her now. She's adult,

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Speaker 1: she's composed, she's thirty eight now, but she was nineteen

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Speaker 1: years old when they met, he signed her. Can you

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Speaker 1: go back that long, some twenty years and remember just

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Speaker 1: how on top of the world he was. And for

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Speaker 1: the idea of a nineteen year old starting out for

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Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs to sign you and to show you attention.

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Speaker 1: Your daughter just turned nineteen. And when I put it

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Speaker 1: in that kind of context, to think of how young,

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Speaker 1: how immature you are at that point. That struck me.

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Speaker 2: You know, I get chills a lot, But as soon

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Speaker 2: as I heard nineteen, you hit it. I have a

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Speaker 1: And yes, easily to be offensive, that's just what it is.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anything when I was nineteen, so easily influenced.

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Speaker 2: You have big stars in your eyes. You actually think

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Speaker 2: and now he's paying her attention. After he signs her

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Speaker 2: to his label, he literally has control over her career.

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Speaker 2: I believe he signed her to a ten year album deal.

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Speaker 2: She revealed in court that she made ten albums but

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Speaker 1: And again, I can't imagine how star struck you would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she says that within that first year of

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Speaker 2: voyeurism to her, that it was a fantasy of his

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Speaker 2: to watch other men have sex with her. So it

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Speaker 2: didn't happen right away. Obviously, they had an intimate relationship

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Speaker 2: that's what she thought until he brings up this idea.

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Speaker 1: And she mentioned as well, I mean this was the start,

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Speaker 1: the first time they had again. She describes all this

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Speaker 1: This is the guy, like you just said, had control

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Speaker 1: of what.

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Speaker 2: Her career and her life and her money and her

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Speaker 2: and her opportunity. And I think that's a huge thing.

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Speaker 2: When you're that young, you're thinking about what you're wanting,

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Speaker 2: has power like no one else truly in that community,

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Speaker 2: in that music community. He was the guy. So you're

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Speaker 2: This is what she describes. And so when he asked

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Speaker 2: she said she felt like she couldn't turn him down

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Speaker 2: to give incredibly graphic details about what happened during those

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Speaker 1: And those sex parties, she's again, it was a year

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Speaker 2: Awful makes sense, I mean, I get that. She says

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Speaker 2: She talked about having to look up the male escorts

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Speaker 2: make sure he approved. They had to be black males,

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Speaker 2: and she said she didn't know many of them by

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Speaker 2: to as and this is disturbing the punisher. And that's

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Speaker 2: when she says did he would watch and pleasure himself

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Speaker 2: in the corner in the room. The rooms were dark.

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Speaker 2: He had the lighting the way he wanted it, she claimed.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it was candle light, sometimes it was lighting like

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Speaker 2: you'd see in a music video, but he'd if he

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Speaker 2: wasn't in the room. She says, he would watch on

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Speaker 2: FaceTime and he would direct, as if he was directing

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Speaker 1: Them to do it. So what she's describing now on

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Speaker 1: hours yesterday, but what she was describing became her job, right.

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Speaker 1: This is a young woman who nineteen twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: twenty two years old. She thinks her career was about

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Speaker 1: to take off, and instead her main job and focus

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Speaker 1: of her life became pleasuring this guy with this fantasy

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Speaker 1: that she said that he had. And yeah, she got

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Speaker 1: into a lot. You said he directed robes. One of

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Speaker 1: the big things she said he directed was how much

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Speaker 1: and even the temperature of the baby oil?

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Speaker 2: Yeah with U. And she said that she would have

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Speaker 2: to reapply the baby oil as often as every five minutes,

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Speaker 2: because she said that he wanted their bodies to be glistening.

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Speaker 2: That's the word she used. And she said that they

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Speaker 2: would use up to ten bottles per sex session. That's

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Speaker 2: they even filled up a blow up pool in a

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Speaker 2: you pointed this out. All of this is heartbreaking. All

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Speaker 1: Her response was what the time spent with him.

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Speaker 2: She loved him.

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Speaker 1: That sucks. She was just a young girl. That just sucks.

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Speaker 1: Look and a lot of this, yes, is salacious, and

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Speaker 2: But he did seem like perhaps he was willing to

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Speaker 1: What was that? And forgive me, he said, what's the date?

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Speaker 2: What they saw what they saw, you know. And we're

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Speaker 2: her to detail what she claims was an actual rape

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Speaker 2: to all of this. I'm sure he's heard it before.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they've obviously talked about this, but that still

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Speaker 1: And I to listen to her now, and there were

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Speaker 2: She's a kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And he was thirty six, eventeen years older than her.

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Speaker 2: And we talk about age differences sometimes, but you know,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those points when you're a certain age,

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Speaker 1: Okay, there it is. There is an age difference and

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Speaker 2: And has a staff around him. This is a big

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Speaker 1: So I did. I looked some other pictures of her,

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Speaker 2: Correct absolutely Daniel Phillip, who is who is a manager

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Speaker 2: He said he saw violence, he said he saw anger.

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Speaker 2: He said he saw a lot of that physical violence

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Speaker 1: Well, she will be back on the stands again, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his mom is there, his children are there the

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Speaker 1: This, and it's incredible ropes. I'm sitting here, I'm facing

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Speaker 1: So it has been interesting down here downtown. I can't

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Speaker 1: He was just being arrested uptown last September, and here

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Speaker 1: we are with the trial already. So we will try

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Speaker 1: to Now we will continue to update you as it warrants,

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Speaker 1: but it's so much out there and it is hard

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Speaker 1: So we were hoping to do that for you all here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we will keep you updated on the Diddy trial

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Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks. It's expected to go

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