WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Lead Mask case 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.600 our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.280 of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.639 a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.480 for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.480 mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.880 if you had listened to what we're calling the last 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.639 twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.160 music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.720 back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.040 little different today than we do in what you're about 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:47.520 to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't understand. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:57.440 You never know stories of things. We simply don't know 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:03.800 the answer too. So Hi everyone, this is Thinking Sideways 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:08.039 the podcast. I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, and we're 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:15.399 going to talk about a mystery and unsolved mystery I know, 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.959 and it's actually my favorite kind of unsolved mystery. It 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.200 turns out I'm seeing a pattern and the unsolved mysteries 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.560 I bring, like the ones where people die. They're all 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:28.080 cases where like apparently healthy middle aged men die under 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.800 weird circumstances. That's really disconcerned. So I don't know what 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:37.640 that says about the future of your guys lives. Run 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:42.520 a story ideas going to be like, oh gosh, we 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.160 have a perfect story because Joe disappeared the other day. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.120 Sound so weird. Sound hung from a tree but there 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.960 was no rope. Well how did that happen? Okay, anyways, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.520 we're going to talk about the lead mass case today. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.160 We're in Rio Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in nineteen sixty six. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:06.440 It's Auguste and Uh to TV repairman tell their relatives 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.440 that they need to go buy supplies for work. UM 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.600 and some accounts say that they also mentioned they want 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.919 to buy a car for work. Uh And they're close friends. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.919 They travel a lot together. They're always seen together. They 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.800 had money for a vehicle maybe, but they definitely had 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.880 money for the supplies with them. The men who are 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.800 Miguel who Jose and Manuel Uh later stop at a 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.160 bar to get a bottle of water and they get 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.280 a receipt for a deposit. You know, nineteen sixty six. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.600 You get like a glass bottle or something that you 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.560 bring it back, You put a deposit on it, you 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.440 bring it back there we use it ten cents twenty cents, 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.600 which it was real money. You know, it's not like 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.360 millions of dollars, but it's real money. It's worth the return. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.640 The bartender said that Miguel appeared to be in a 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.240 hurry because he was frequently checking his watch. Some accounts 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.360 I've read said that the bartender said that he looked nervous. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.320 I think it's just you know, semantics. At that point, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.520 somebody's retelling it to make it more mysterious and inviting. Okay, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.600 bounce around. The tailor is really told, you know, things 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.320 get embellished a little bit too. So that's the last 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.240 time either of them were seen alive. Well that's a 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.079 quick story. Wait, okay, so there's gotta be more here. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.120 There's more here. So a boy flying a kite found 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:28.400 their bodies three days later on Vintem Hill in re Aditionary. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.520 Both men were dressed in suits and wearing waterproof coats, 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.240 which wasn't really out of the ordinary because it had 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.600 apparently according to most accounts, most reasonable accounts it had 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:44.800 been pouring rain recently, so it makes sense. You know. Again, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.240 there are definitely accounts that say it was weird because 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:52.000 it was sunny, but I suspect that it probably was rain. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.720 If it's Readian arrow, the weather is, I mean, it's 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.960 subtropical areas and the weather goes back and forth. It's 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.680 it's known for storms. It's out of the coast. A 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.440 lot of yeah, a lot of areas like like you know, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.400 when I was in South America, like they had the 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.880 rainy season, and the rainy season is usually pretty nice, 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:09.440 but then for about a half hour to an hour 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.880 out of every day, it just dumps, you know, and 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.520 so and then and then it clears up and it's 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.440 nice again. Yeah and yeah, and so that's probably what 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.520 the case we're down there. Yeah, So the rain jackets 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.400 weren't really out of the ordinary. However, the lead eyemasks, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.360 which were like sunglasses almost but made out of lead 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.760 with no holes poked in them, But that was a 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.680 little out of the ordinary. That's a little different. And 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.720 by the way, I soon pictures of them, and then 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.560 they appeared to be handmade. Apparently they made them themselves 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.760 vaguely handmade. I don't know they were there. I've read 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.520 accounts that said they made them themselves and just for 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.159 everybody to to picture what these look like. Because when 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.159 I first saw this, it was really weird because the 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.320 first article or two I read didn't show the photo. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.520 And it wasn't until I saw the photo that I 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:56.039 understood what they meant by lead imasks. They look vaguely 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.320 like like goggles, like scientific goggles like the A band. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.120 Have you ever went to the top of the eye 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.880 doctor and then they give you they dialate plastic on 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.599 your face. That's exactly what they look like. Yeah, or 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.440 they look like safety glasses kind of like that. You know, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.440 they're beat out of lead and they have no eye 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.919 holes poked in them. Um. They said that it's the 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.080 sort of thing that someone would wear to protect their 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:26.760 eyes from radiation, which was from common at the time 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.240 when people were working with radiation. It was common at 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.960 the time to wear that they have. They found the 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.040 empty water bottle with these men um. They had two 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.480 towels with them, which I don't really understand. Galaxy, Well, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.320 so the thing is about the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.320 it does say to always bring a towel. But the 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:54.000 Hitchhiker's Guide wasn't written for more than ten years, obviously obviously, right, yeah, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.360 and and and correctly if I'm wrong, But in at 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.240 least one account that I read, they had a plastic 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.520 bag with them, and they had soaked the towels in water. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.320 I didn't read that. I don't. I didn't see that. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.719 I really didn't see that. So in one account that 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.080 I read, they had a plastic bag and they had 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.000 two towels in there, which they had when already moistened, 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.159 and that that accounts for the need for the water. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.520 But I'll talk about that later. Okay. Is this your theory, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.479 it's it's it's a possible theory, all right, so we'll 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.640 read visit that great. They also found a notebook which 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:32.320 just confused everything further. It was written in Portuguese, and 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:37.240 the translation read, uh, sixteen thirty b at a greed place, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.919 eighteen thirty swallow capsules after effect, protect metals, wait for 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.920 mask signal, wait for masks a single signal. And that 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:52.400 was it, just those two lines protect metal. Yes, and okay, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.880 and to add you know to it, the money that 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.279 these men supposedly had wasn't found on them. You know, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.400 whether or not the kid who found them took the money, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.479 whether or not somebody else took the money, whether they 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:11.000 just didn't have the money, that's maybe they spent it all, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.920 and maybe they did. I mean, water in Brazil is 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.040 very expensive, so yeah, probably probably that the whole kiddie 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.560 right there, that's the story. So we can get into 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.760 theories now if you guys want, Well, I was gonna, 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.440 I was gonna. I wanted to point out is that 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.120 I know that the kid that found him, of course, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.320 turned around and called the authorities. And everybody's remember this 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.240 nineteen sixty six, don't have a cellphone, so we had 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.760 to run to the town and it probably didn't probably walked. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.040 He probably walked, and then he had to make the 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.880 phone call and correct me if I'm wrong. But because 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.160 of the conditions and where was that in the time 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.920 of day, the police didn't go there till the next day. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.400 It wasn't as if they were in a hurry to 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.080 get him. And these guys were already dead. Well and well, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.480 but and these guys have been missing for three days, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.880 so they've been gone for three days. That granted the 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.000 boy didn't know who they were, But it's it's kind 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.280 of odd that it took so long. To me, you 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.000 would think, well, well, we've got to go get these 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.080 people that are lost up there just fairly fairly terrain 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:18.840 and there were no roads leading up to where their 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.280 bodies were. They did all of the pictures of the 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:26.320 crime scene. They had to carry the bodies out some things. 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.520 I don't know what time he found them. I didn't 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.640 find a record of that. You know, if it were 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.160 later in the evening and it was getting dark out, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.480 I would expect that, you know, it was muddy, train 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.040 it had been raining. Okay, that then that makes more sense. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.320 It would just seems strange to me that nobody rushed 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.000 up there should take care of it. Okay. There are 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:51.440 a couple theories, some mundane, some fantastical. Fantastical is exactly 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:56.000 the word I was. One of the theories is that 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.880 the lead masks suggest that the men were expecting radio activity, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.080 which is fair, um, but there was no radio activity 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:08.880 found on the hill where they were found, which kind 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.560 of brings up the idea that, um, these men not 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.079 may not have been found at the reference to agreed 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.120 upon place that might not have been where the agreed 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.240 upon place was so that they may have gone and 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.800 done their business elsewhere that these little notes reference. And 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.000 to be fair, even there's no proof that says that 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.320 this note reference to you know, that day. You know, 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.240 they could have gone and done all of their business 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.960 that had their little notes and then you know, run 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.720 into a murderer who killed them and was like, whoa, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.440 there's lead masks, you know, takes the cash, puts the 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.280 lead masks on and just walks away. But so for 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.280 all we know, this is you know, there's still a 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.440 mystery here, but it doesn't actually pertain to their deaths. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:10:00.199 Well that's we know the cause of death and days, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.080 so they were in somewhat deteriorate. What happened was they 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:08.400 were found three days after they had disappeared or that 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.679 they had been seen last. But the corner in de 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.880 jan Eiro at the time was really busy, so when 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.320 they were performing the autopsies, he left all their organs 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.160 out a room temperature for just like hours at a time. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.960 So by the time he got around so just secting 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.839 them to see if there was anything in them, they 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.880 were just spoiled. There was no telling what was going on. Okay, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:31.880 so no, you couldn't un any ten so they couldn't 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.360 run any kind of time, okay, And there was no 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.160 outward signs of what it wasn't as if you know, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.320 there was not There wasn't like a bullet hole in 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.360 their head or anything. Yeah, so robbery it seems unlikely. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.480 So robbery does seem unlikely. I mean, you don't really 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.960 poison people. But they did reference capsules, right, yeah, they did. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:56.240 They didn't find any capsules, so they must have taken them. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.200 But you know the evidence of those would of course 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:03.800 be in internal organs, which were spoiled because the corner 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:08.040 was really busy that day, he might have been maybe 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:12.040 that was he's part of the conspiracy. Yeah, um. And 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:16.160 then you know there there are claims of UFO activity stuff, 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.000 and there are a couple around this because these two 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.240 men were UFO enthusiasts and the place that they were 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.400 found was known as a UFO hot spot quote unquote, 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:31.120 there were there were reports of UFOs being sighted the 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.920 day before they were found, or I guess the night 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.920 before they were found in the area, and it didn't 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.120 none of the articles I could find made clear if 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:45.600 these were reports that came before or after. There you 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:50.000 know discovery, you know, and that's we talked about this before, right, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.560 that's a big problem if they come after they're not really, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.720 but it was this area was known as a UFO hotspot. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.920 UFOs were reported pretty frequently in this area. So there 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:07.520 was a theory that since they were UFO enthusiasts, they 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:12.520 went to this area to perform a suicide pact that 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.080 coincidentally was at the same time that a mother ship 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.160 would come, and so if they killed themselves on Earth, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.400 the mothership would beam up their souls and they would 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.800 be able to travel with aliens the whole heavens gape 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.160 actually like that. Actually they referenced it. You know, the 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.839 joke was, well, maybe these guys were wearing nikes, but 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.440 do you think these six so they in Brazil, so 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.199 they probably weren't. But but why But in that case, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.440 if they're just going to kill themselves, and why they lead? 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.760 Why they lead sunglasses? You know, maybe they were misinformed, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.640 maybe they thought they had to wear those could be 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.160 like the old thing of when was it that they 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:54.720 used to put pennies on your eyes for the boatman. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.480 So so they figured that the aliens were short unlead, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.920 and so they've just thought they could have been that. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.080 But it's you know, it's it's one of those weird 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:11.000 things where there's a lot of cultural oddities around. When 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:16.000 someone dies, eyes always come up. There's always you always 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.280 place something on their eyes. And I don't know why 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.720 that is. You just reoccurring a lot of things, and 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.760 so it strikes the chord here. Doesn't make sense, no, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.439 but it strikes a chord that I can't help it. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.080 I can't ignore, you know. And the towel thing is 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.320 is weird to me. You know, they say, well, in 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.040 the case, they were expecting moisture, and it's like, well, yeah, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.280 it was raining, but you wear a raincoat. You don't 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:43.720 bring a towel like you've gone swimming right when you 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.240 get home. Yeah, So I don't know. The towel thing 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.240 is still super weird to me. I don't know. So 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.960 my thinking about the whole the whole towel thing, I said, 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:58.439 is that if they were up there, supposing, supposing they 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.040 were expecting to make contact with a UFO up there, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.760 they don't know exactly what to expect, but they're thinking, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.280 probably it's entirely possible. We can expect like intense light, 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.480 intense heat, and so that was why they made themselves 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.200 some lead spectacles because they thought, well, you know, we 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.440 can go buy sunglasses, but no sunglasses we buy are 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.440 probably going to be adequate, you know. There, So it's 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.240 kind of a worst case scenario kind of thing. So 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.680 they've had the towels along and might understand I read 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.760 one account of this the paper there that the towels 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.680 were in a plastic bag and they had been they 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.720 had been pre soaked, they were wet. So by thinking 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.520 is that their plan was that when the UFO showed up, 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.720 that they would put on the lead shades to protect 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.240 their their vision from intense light. Should there be intense light, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.440 and should there be very intense heat, they could pick 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.760 up the towels and hold the towels in front of them, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.040 and the towels and kind of the moisture and the 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.760 towels would actually absorb some of that he give it 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.640 off in steam and protect them from the intense heat. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.520 And I think it was kind of a worst case 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.120 scenario kind of thing for them to have wet towels handy, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.640 just in case there was they were experiencing intense that's 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.080 really planned out, it is. I was also going to say, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.160 that's like one of the smartest theories I've heard out 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:30.680 of you. Um So I think that explains the water bottle. Yeah, 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:32.760 I mean they probably wanted to drink a little bit 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:38.200 of a hiking but yeah, And my other thing is 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.360 that is that why they died, is that if they 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.280 were expecting possible radiation, they might have thought it would 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.120 be a good precaution to take idine pills to protect 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.080 their thyroid if they if they had pills that were 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.240 a much stronger mix of idon than what they believed 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.160 they were taking than iodine poisoning actually can kill you. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.800 And it's also possible that they could have gotten tainted 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:08.160 drugs also, and they were just poisoned by the tainting drugs. Well, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.640 this idine poisoning kill you relatively quickly. No, not really, 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.800 it's a slow process. Well it's not. It's not weaks 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.640 or anything like that. But my understanding eyeim poisoning takes 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.800 it's not an instant sort of but it's kind of pain. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.480 Kind it's a bit painful. You you're you're sick or not, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.160 you should throw up, you get diarrhea and stuff like that. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.840 So that's a mark against that theory. But well, I 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.600 was gonna say, is one of the things that is 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.880 reported about these guys when they when they were found 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:39.720 is that the grass around them was undisturbed. So that 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.960 means if they were sick and they were flailing and 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.680 they remove around, you have thought that they would have 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.840 beat the grass down and after a couple of days 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:51.080 that grass isn't gonna have stood itself back really resilient. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.480 But yeah, not likely now. And and I don't know 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.560 how thoroughly they examined the bodies. And of course my 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.320 research and idem poisoning is indicate that it affects different 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:04.160 people differently, So not everybody's going to have diarrhea, for example, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.639 but and it is kind of it's going to take 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.120 a few days probably at least to die. Um, so 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.560 that would lend credence if they were right on capsules, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.520 if they were taking for that reason, that they were 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:19.000 just painted and so they just were poisoned by bad drugs, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.760 and which which happens even today, I mean and modern 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.640 in sixty six obviously controls, especially in the Third World, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.119 thank yeah, in Brazil. Uh So it's entirely possible that 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.160 they got just got a bad bade. Yeah, that's definitely true. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.960 Um so the other kind of well, one of the 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.320 other fantasy theories out there is that these guys were 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.720 time travelers. What yeah, so okay, And so this is 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.639 the thing, right, is that like my reaction to is 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.520 like what, I don't actually understand how that explains anything, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.360 except for I found one reference to one scientist who 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.000 was also supposedly a time traveler that wore a raincoat 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.040 and lead eye protection. But I couldn't find any reference 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:07.680 to this, so like this apparent scientists time traveler anywhere else. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.880 It was just in this one thing I was gonna say, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.439 It's just it's one of those things on the internet 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.399 that you find the blurb. Yeah, and you know in 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.800 this article that particularly that I was reading, he was 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.359 making all these pop culture references, and it was kind 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.920 of like, well, maybe I've just missed out on this 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.000 on this particular reference. Maybe somebody out there listening can 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.439 tell me what you know that reference was too, But 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.639 I don't know, we we don't know at all, And 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.240 I couldn't like googling it didn't give me any insights. Yeah. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.760 So anyway, so that so, how does this theory work? 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.920 So these guys went off, they traveled in time a bit, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.400 they popped back into in our time on the top 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.000 of this hill, and the experience killed them. That how 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.400 is that? I don't know that they thought that they 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.120 had glimpsed something into the wrinkle of time and they 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:58.119 took this these capsules to help them travel transition, transition 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.200 or something, and it failed catastry orophically and they've died. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.120 So I you know, again, this is one of those 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.359 like little blurb theories that I thought i'd throw in 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.640 there because it's vaguely interesting. Yeah, it's like it's fun. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.399 That's it's really kind of fun to read the stuff 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.000 that people come up with, even though it's obviously some 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:22.760 of the landish. Yeah, so, um, that's all of the 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:29.439 UFO theories. Um. There's one other kind of blurb that 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.440 I kind of talked about already that was, um that 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.280 we don't know that these notes are actually pertaining to 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.840 the day that they died or to their death at all. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:42.040 The thing that none of these theories really explain is 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.280 there's a little blurb in their note that says protect 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.960 the metals. Yeah, I remember seeing. Yeah, so what does 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.840 protect metals mean? I don't know, we don't know one 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.760 of the other theories, which I think is probably the 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.320 most reasonable, since they were UFO enthusiasts. They were kind 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.040 of into the elect tronics of the time, and you know, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.160 they said, we're going to go buy a car, which 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.720 would be the reason that they might have a lot 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.400 of money. So the relatives weren't questioning, you know, why 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.760 did you leave with all this money, why did you 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.399 take your life savings, but that they were going to 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.840 do a deal that had to do with radioactive medals 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.800 or materials of some kind, and that perhaps they did 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.639 take iodine or something of that nature to protect them 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.560 from the radio activity of the metal. And they went 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.399 and they did the deal and got these metal and 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.359 then you know, died for whatever reason from the iodine. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.320 And who knows where they got these capsules. It may 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.280 have been the person who was doing the deal. Anyways, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.119 it may have been like it could have been a 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.280 way to make a quick buck, right, Oh, I have 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.040 these radioactive materials you guys are looking for. Here, I'm 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.000 gonna send you some pills to help protect you from 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.800 the radio activity. And then you know, take the money 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.320 and just follow them for a day while they die slowly, 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.800 and then take your radioactive material back. I don't know 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.520 the other like theoretically radioactive material. But so that's really 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.240 one of my big problems. You know, they were waiting 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.800 for someone to tell them to put the mask on, 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.840 some kind of signal to put the mask on, and 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:15.119 they talk about protecting the metal, you know, kind of 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.560 in an The feeling that I get of it is 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:21.160 like protected at all costs. Right, Those are two things 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.960 that none of these theories really speak to. The fact 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.080 that it implied their notes imply that there are other 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:33.760 people involved, and that there's something that's they're trying to 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:39.880 you know, get I guess the metals they're trying to protect, well, 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.520 this whole thing from the outside it. As we've said, 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.240 there's there's these elements that seem so far fetched. But 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:52.320 if these guys are TV repairman and they're into electronics, 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:55.439 probably the you know, the big technology that everybody get 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:57.480 was like a ham radio or something at that time. 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.560 It makes me wonder if they weren't doing what a 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.879 lot of people do these days, the equivalent of getting 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.080 on a form. We're getting on a chat channel and 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:12.600 chatting and somebody realizing that way these guys are kind 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:16.280 of naive and I could make a couple of bucks 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:21.119 on him. And whether it was they intended to, you know, 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.200 give him these pills and they were just knockout pills 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:25.880 and they just intended to knock him out and take 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.280 their stuff, or they intended to kill him. I don't 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.280 know which way. They didn't and it went bad, or 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.320 they did, who knows, But it seems like that that's 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.600 the most plausible thing that I can get out of this, 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:39.960 is that somebody was stringing them along and then when 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.959 they died, just for to add to it, to make 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.600 it seem weirder, to throw the police off the case, 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.679 they took those silly little glasses and put them on 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.720