1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't understand. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: You never know stories of things. We simply don't know 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: the answer too. So Hi everyone, this is Thinking Sideways 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, and we're 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: going to talk about a mystery and unsolved mystery I know, 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: and it's actually my favorite kind of unsolved mystery. It 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: turns out I'm seeing a pattern and the unsolved mysteries 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: I bring, like the ones where people die. They're all 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: cases where like apparently healthy middle aged men die under 23 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: weird circumstances. That's really disconcerned. So I don't know what 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: that says about the future of your guys lives. Run 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: a story ideas going to be like, oh gosh, we 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: have a perfect story because Joe disappeared the other day. 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: Sound so weird. Sound hung from a tree but there 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: was no rope. Well how did that happen? Okay, anyways, 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the lead mass case today. 30 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: We're in Rio Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in nineteen sixty six. 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: It's Auguste and Uh to TV repairman tell their relatives 32 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: that they need to go buy supplies for work. UM 33 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: and some accounts say that they also mentioned they want 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: to buy a car for work. Uh And they're close friends. 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: They travel a lot together. They're always seen together. They 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: had money for a vehicle maybe, but they definitely had 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: money for the supplies with them. The men who are 38 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: Miguel who Jose and Manuel Uh later stop at a 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: bar to get a bottle of water and they get 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: a receipt for a deposit. You know, nineteen sixty six. 41 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: You get like a glass bottle or something that you 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: bring it back, You put a deposit on it, you 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: bring it back there we use it ten cents twenty cents, 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: which it was real money. You know, it's not like 45 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, but it's real money. It's worth the return. 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: The bartender said that Miguel appeared to be in a 47 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: hurry because he was frequently checking his watch. Some accounts 48 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: I've read said that the bartender said that he looked nervous. 49 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: I think it's just you know, semantics. At that point, 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: somebody's retelling it to make it more mysterious and inviting. Okay, 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: bounce around. The tailor is really told, you know, things 52 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: get embellished a little bit too. So that's the last 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: time either of them were seen alive. Well that's a 54 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: quick story. Wait, okay, so there's gotta be more here. 55 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: There's more here. So a boy flying a kite found 56 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: their bodies three days later on Vintem Hill in re Aditionary. 57 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: Both men were dressed in suits and wearing waterproof coats, 58 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: which wasn't really out of the ordinary because it had 59 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: apparently according to most accounts, most reasonable accounts it had 60 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: been pouring rain recently, so it makes sense. You know. Again, 61 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: there are definitely accounts that say it was weird because 62 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: it was sunny, but I suspect that it probably was rain. 63 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: If it's Readian arrow, the weather is, I mean, it's 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: subtropical areas and the weather goes back and forth. It's 65 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: it's known for storms. It's out of the coast. A 66 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: lot of yeah, a lot of areas like like you know, 67 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: when I was in South America, like they had the 68 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: rainy season, and the rainy season is usually pretty nice, 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: but then for about a half hour to an hour 70 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: out of every day, it just dumps, you know, and 71 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: so and then and then it clears up and it's 72 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: nice again. Yeah and yeah, and so that's probably what 73 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: the case we're down there. Yeah, So the rain jackets 74 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: weren't really out of the ordinary. However, the lead eyemasks, 75 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: which were like sunglasses almost but made out of lead 76 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: with no holes poked in them, But that was a 77 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: little out of the ordinary. That's a little different. And 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: by the way, I soon pictures of them, and then 79 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: they appeared to be handmade. Apparently they made them themselves 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: vaguely handmade. I don't know they were there. I've read 81 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: accounts that said they made them themselves and just for 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: everybody to to picture what these look like. Because when 83 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: I first saw this, it was really weird because the 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: first article or two I read didn't show the photo. 85 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I saw the photo that I 86 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: understood what they meant by lead imasks. They look vaguely 87 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: like like goggles, like scientific goggles like the A band. 88 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: Have you ever went to the top of the eye 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: doctor and then they give you they dialate plastic on 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: your face. That's exactly what they look like. Yeah, or 91 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: they look like safety glasses kind of like that. You know, 92 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: they're beat out of lead and they have no eye 93 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: holes poked in them. Um. They said that it's the 94 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: sort of thing that someone would wear to protect their 95 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: eyes from radiation, which was from common at the time 96 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: when people were working with radiation. It was common at 97 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: the time to wear that they have. They found the 98 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: empty water bottle with these men um. They had two 99 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: towels with them, which I don't really understand. Galaxy, Well, 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: so the thing is about the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right, 101 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: it does say to always bring a towel. But the 102 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Hitchhiker's Guide wasn't written for more than ten years, obviously obviously, right, yeah, 103 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: and and and correctly if I'm wrong, But in at 104 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: least one account that I read, they had a plastic 105 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: bag with them, and they had soaked the towels in water. 106 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: I didn't read that. I don't. I didn't see that. 107 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: I really didn't see that. So in one account that 108 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: I read, they had a plastic bag and they had 109 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: two towels in there, which they had when already moistened, 110 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: and that that accounts for the need for the water. 111 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: But I'll talk about that later. Okay. Is this your theory, 112 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a possible theory, all right, so we'll 113 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: read visit that great. They also found a notebook which 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: just confused everything further. It was written in Portuguese, and 115 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: the translation read, uh, sixteen thirty b at a greed place, 116 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty swallow capsules after effect, protect metals, wait for 117 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: mask signal, wait for masks a single signal. And that 118 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: was it, just those two lines protect metal. Yes, and okay, 119 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: and to add you know to it, the money that 120 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: these men supposedly had wasn't found on them. You know, 121 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: whether or not the kid who found them took the money, 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: whether or not somebody else took the money, whether they 123 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: just didn't have the money, that's maybe they spent it all, 124 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: and maybe they did. I mean, water in Brazil is 125 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: very expensive, so yeah, probably probably that the whole kiddie 126 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: right there, that's the story. So we can get into 127 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: theories now if you guys want, Well, I was gonna, 128 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: I was gonna. I wanted to point out is that 129 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: I know that the kid that found him, of course, 130 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: turned around and called the authorities. And everybody's remember this 131 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, don't have a cellphone, so we had 132 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: to run to the town and it probably didn't probably walked. 133 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: He probably walked, and then he had to make the 134 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: phone call and correct me if I'm wrong. But because 135 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: of the conditions and where was that in the time 136 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: of day, the police didn't go there till the next day. 137 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't as if they were in a hurry to 138 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: get him. And these guys were already dead. Well and well, 139 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: but and these guys have been missing for three days, 140 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: so they've been gone for three days. That granted the 141 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: boy didn't know who they were, But it's it's kind 142 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: of odd that it took so long. To me, you 143 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: would think, well, well, we've got to go get these 144 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: people that are lost up there just fairly fairly terrain 145 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: and there were no roads leading up to where their 146 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: bodies were. They did all of the pictures of the 147 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: crime scene. They had to carry the bodies out some things. 148 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what time he found them. I didn't 149 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: find a record of that. You know, if it were 150 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: later in the evening and it was getting dark out, 151 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: I would expect that, you know, it was muddy, train 152 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: it had been raining. Okay, that then that makes more sense. 153 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: It would just seems strange to me that nobody rushed 154 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: up there should take care of it. Okay. There are 155 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: a couple theories, some mundane, some fantastical. Fantastical is exactly 156 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: the word I was. One of the theories is that 157 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: the lead masks suggest that the men were expecting radio activity, 158 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: which is fair, um, but there was no radio activity 159 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: found on the hill where they were found, which kind 160 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: of brings up the idea that, um, these men not 161 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: may not have been found at the reference to agreed 162 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: upon place that might not have been where the agreed 163 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: upon place was so that they may have gone and 164 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: done their business elsewhere that these little notes reference. And 165 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: to be fair, even there's no proof that says that 166 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: this note reference to you know, that day. You know, 167 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: they could have gone and done all of their business 168 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: that had their little notes and then you know, run 169 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: into a murderer who killed them and was like, whoa, 170 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: there's lead masks, you know, takes the cash, puts the 171 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: lead masks on and just walks away. But so for 172 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: all we know, this is you know, there's still a 173 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: mystery here, but it doesn't actually pertain to their deaths. 174 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: Well that's we know the cause of death and days, 175 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: so they were in somewhat deteriorate. What happened was they 176 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: were found three days after they had disappeared or that 177 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: they had been seen last. But the corner in de 178 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: jan Eiro at the time was really busy, so when 179 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: they were performing the autopsies, he left all their organs 180 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: out a room temperature for just like hours at a time. 181 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: So by the time he got around so just secting 182 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: them to see if there was anything in them, they 183 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: were just spoiled. There was no telling what was going on. Okay, 184 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: so no, you couldn't un any ten so they couldn't 185 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: run any kind of time, okay, And there was no 186 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: outward signs of what it wasn't as if you know, 187 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: there was not There wasn't like a bullet hole in 188 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: their head or anything. Yeah, so robbery it seems unlikely. 189 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: So robbery does seem unlikely. I mean, you don't really 190 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: poison people. But they did reference capsules, right, yeah, they did. 191 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: They didn't find any capsules, so they must have taken them. 192 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: But you know the evidence of those would of course 193 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: be in internal organs, which were spoiled because the corner 194 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: was really busy that day, he might have been maybe 195 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: that was he's part of the conspiracy. Yeah, um. And 196 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: then you know there there are claims of UFO activity stuff, 197 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: and there are a couple around this because these two 198 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: men were UFO enthusiasts and the place that they were 199 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: found was known as a UFO hot spot quote unquote, 200 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: there were there were reports of UFOs being sighted the 201 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: day before they were found, or I guess the night 202 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: before they were found in the area, and it didn't 203 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: none of the articles I could find made clear if 204 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: these were reports that came before or after. There you 205 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: know discovery, you know, and that's we talked about this before, right, 206 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: that's a big problem if they come after they're not really, 207 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: but it was this area was known as a UFO hotspot. 208 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: UFOs were reported pretty frequently in this area. So there 209 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: was a theory that since they were UFO enthusiasts, they 210 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: went to this area to perform a suicide pact that 211 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: coincidentally was at the same time that a mother ship 212 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: would come, and so if they killed themselves on Earth, 213 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: the mothership would beam up their souls and they would 214 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: be able to travel with aliens the whole heavens gape 215 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: actually like that. Actually they referenced it. You know, the 216 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: joke was, well, maybe these guys were wearing nikes, but 217 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: do you think these six so they in Brazil, so 218 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: they probably weren't. But but why But in that case, 219 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: if they're just going to kill themselves, and why they lead? 220 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Why they lead sunglasses? You know, maybe they were misinformed, 221 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: maybe they thought they had to wear those could be 222 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: like the old thing of when was it that they 223 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: used to put pennies on your eyes for the boatman. 224 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: So so they figured that the aliens were short unlead, 225 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: and so they've just thought they could have been that. 226 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's it's one of those weird 227 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: things where there's a lot of cultural oddities around. When 228 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: someone dies, eyes always come up. There's always you always 229 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: place something on their eyes. And I don't know why 230 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: that is. You just reoccurring a lot of things, and 231 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: so it strikes the chord here. Doesn't make sense, no, 232 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: but it strikes a chord that I can't help it. 233 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: I can't ignore, you know. And the towel thing is 234 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: is weird to me. You know, they say, well, in 235 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the case, they were expecting moisture, and it's like, well, yeah, 236 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: it was raining, but you wear a raincoat. You don't 237 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: bring a towel like you've gone swimming right when you 238 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: get home. Yeah, So I don't know. The towel thing 239 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: is still super weird to me. I don't know. So 240 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: my thinking about the whole the whole towel thing, I said, 241 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: is that if they were up there, supposing, supposing they 242 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: were expecting to make contact with a UFO up there, 243 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: they don't know exactly what to expect, but they're thinking, 244 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: probably it's entirely possible. We can expect like intense light, 245 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: intense heat, and so that was why they made themselves 246 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: some lead spectacles because they thought, well, you know, we 247 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: can go buy sunglasses, but no sunglasses we buy are 248 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: probably going to be adequate, you know. There, So it's 249 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: kind of a worst case scenario kind of thing. So 250 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: they've had the towels along and might understand I read 251 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: one account of this the paper there that the towels 252 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: were in a plastic bag and they had been they 253 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: had been pre soaked, they were wet. So by thinking 254 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: is that their plan was that when the UFO showed up, 255 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: that they would put on the lead shades to protect 256 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: their their vision from intense light. Should there be intense light, 257 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: and should there be very intense heat, they could pick 258 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: up the towels and hold the towels in front of them, 259 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: and the towels and kind of the moisture and the 260 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: towels would actually absorb some of that he give it 261 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: off in steam and protect them from the intense heat. 262 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: And I think it was kind of a worst case 263 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: scenario kind of thing for them to have wet towels handy, 264 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: just in case there was they were experiencing intense that's 265 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: really planned out, it is. I was also going to say, 266 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: that's like one of the smartest theories I've heard out 267 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: of you. Um So I think that explains the water bottle. Yeah, 268 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: I mean they probably wanted to drink a little bit 269 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: of a hiking but yeah, And my other thing is 270 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: that is that why they died, is that if they 271 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: were expecting possible radiation, they might have thought it would 272 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: be a good precaution to take idine pills to protect 273 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: their thyroid if they if they had pills that were 274 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: a much stronger mix of idon than what they believed 275 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: they were taking than iodine poisoning actually can kill you. 276 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: And it's also possible that they could have gotten tainted 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: drugs also, and they were just poisoned by the tainting drugs. Well, 278 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: this idine poisoning kill you relatively quickly. No, not really, 279 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: it's a slow process. Well it's not. It's not weaks 280 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: or anything like that. But my understanding eyeim poisoning takes 281 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: it's not an instant sort of but it's kind of pain. 282 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: Kind it's a bit painful. You you're you're sick or not, 283 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: you should throw up, you get diarrhea and stuff like that. 284 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: So that's a mark against that theory. But well, I 285 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: was gonna say, is one of the things that is 286 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: reported about these guys when they when they were found 287 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: is that the grass around them was undisturbed. So that 288 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: means if they were sick and they were flailing and 289 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: they remove around, you have thought that they would have 290 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: beat the grass down and after a couple of days 291 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: that grass isn't gonna have stood itself back really resilient. 292 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, not likely now. And and I don't know 293 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: how thoroughly they examined the bodies. And of course my 294 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: research and idem poisoning is indicate that it affects different 295 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: people differently, So not everybody's going to have diarrhea, for example, 296 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: but and it is kind of it's going to take 297 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: a few days probably at least to die. Um, so 298 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: that would lend credence if they were right on capsules, 299 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: if they were taking for that reason, that they were 300 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: just painted and so they just were poisoned by bad drugs, 301 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: and which which happens even today, I mean and modern 302 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: in sixty six obviously controls, especially in the Third World, 303 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: thank yeah, in Brazil. Uh So it's entirely possible that 304 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: they got just got a bad bade. Yeah, that's definitely true. 305 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: Um so the other kind of well, one of the 306 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: other fantasy theories out there is that these guys were 307 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: time travelers. What yeah, so okay, And so this is 308 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: the thing, right, is that like my reaction to is 309 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: like what, I don't actually understand how that explains anything, 310 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: except for I found one reference to one scientist who 311 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: was also supposedly a time traveler that wore a raincoat 312 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: and lead eye protection. But I couldn't find any reference 313 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: to this, so like this apparent scientists time traveler anywhere else. 314 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: It was just in this one thing I was gonna say, 315 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: It's just it's one of those things on the internet 316 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: that you find the blurb. Yeah, and you know in 317 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: this article that particularly that I was reading, he was 318 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: making all these pop culture references, and it was kind 319 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: of like, well, maybe I've just missed out on this 320 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: on this particular reference. Maybe somebody out there listening can 321 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: tell me what you know that reference was too, But 322 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: I don't know, we we don't know at all, And 323 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't like googling it didn't give me any insights. Yeah. 324 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: So anyway, so that so, how does this theory work? 325 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: So these guys went off, they traveled in time a bit, 326 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: they popped back into in our time on the top 327 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: of this hill, and the experience killed them. That how 328 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: is that? I don't know that they thought that they 329 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: had glimpsed something into the wrinkle of time and they 330 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: took this these capsules to help them travel transition, transition 331 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: or something, and it failed catastry orophically and they've died. 332 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: So I you know, again, this is one of those 333 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: like little blurb theories that I thought i'd throw in 334 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: there because it's vaguely interesting. Yeah, it's like it's fun. 335 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: That's it's really kind of fun to read the stuff 336 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: that people come up with, even though it's obviously some 337 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: of the landish. Yeah, so, um, that's all of the 338 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: UFO theories. Um. There's one other kind of blurb that 339 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: I kind of talked about already that was, um that 340 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: we don't know that these notes are actually pertaining to 341 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: the day that they died or to their death at all. 342 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: The thing that none of these theories really explain is 343 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: there's a little blurb in their note that says protect 344 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: the metals. Yeah, I remember seeing. Yeah, so what does 345 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: protect metals mean? I don't know, we don't know one 346 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: of the other theories, which I think is probably the 347 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: most reasonable, since they were UFO enthusiasts. They were kind 348 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: of into the elect tronics of the time, and you know, 349 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: they said, we're going to go buy a car, which 350 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: would be the reason that they might have a lot 351 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: of money. So the relatives weren't questioning, you know, why 352 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: did you leave with all this money, why did you 353 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: take your life savings, but that they were going to 354 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: do a deal that had to do with radioactive medals 355 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: or materials of some kind, and that perhaps they did 356 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: take iodine or something of that nature to protect them 357 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: from the radio activity of the metal. And they went 358 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: and they did the deal and got these metal and 359 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: then you know, died for whatever reason from the iodine. 360 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: And who knows where they got these capsules. It may 361 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: have been the person who was doing the deal. Anyways, 362 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: it may have been like it could have been a 363 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: way to make a quick buck, right, Oh, I have 364 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: these radioactive materials you guys are looking for. Here, I'm 365 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: gonna send you some pills to help protect you from 366 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: the radio activity. And then you know, take the money 367 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: and just follow them for a day while they die slowly, 368 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: and then take your radioactive material back. I don't know 369 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: the other like theoretically radioactive material. But so that's really 370 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: one of my big problems. You know, they were waiting 371 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: for someone to tell them to put the mask on, 372 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: some kind of signal to put the mask on, and 373 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: they talk about protecting the metal, you know, kind of 374 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: in an The feeling that I get of it is 375 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: like protected at all costs. Right, Those are two things 376 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: that none of these theories really speak to. The fact 377 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: that it implied their notes imply that there are other 378 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: people involved, and that there's something that's they're trying to 379 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, get I guess the metals they're trying to protect, well, 380 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: this whole thing from the outside it. As we've said, 381 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: there's there's these elements that seem so far fetched. But 382 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: if these guys are TV repairman and they're into electronics, 383 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: probably the you know, the big technology that everybody get 384 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: was like a ham radio or something at that time. 385 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: It makes me wonder if they weren't doing what a 386 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: lot of people do these days, the equivalent of getting 387 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: on a form. We're getting on a chat channel and 388 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: chatting and somebody realizing that way these guys are kind 389 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: of naive and I could make a couple of bucks 390 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: on him. And whether it was they intended to, you know, 391 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: give him these pills and they were just knockout pills 392 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: and they just intended to knock him out and take 393 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: their stuff, or they intended to kill him. I don't 394 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: know which way. They didn't and it went bad, or 395 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: they did, who knows, But it seems like that that's 396 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: the most plausible thing that I can get out of this, 397 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: is that somebody was stringing them along and then when 398 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: they died, just for to add to it, to make 399 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: it seem weirder, to throw the police off the case, 400 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: they took those silly little glasses and put them on 401 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: the faces when they when they left him dead. But 402 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: that's that's the only thing that I can ever see 403 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: that that makes any coherent sense in this whole thing. 404 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: That's the problem that it's none of it is coherent. 405 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: It's kind of just like slapped on there. You know. 406 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, two guys found dead for no real reason. Okay, 407 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: that's a mystery. Oh. Also, they had towels, okay. Also 408 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: they were wearing these weird lead masks. Okay. Also they 409 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: had a note in their pocket. That was like totally 410 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: an explainable oh okay. Oh. And also on top of that, 411 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, my problem with the suicide pact, right is 412 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: that they bought a refundable bottle, right, so they seem 413 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: to intend to return. It's not like they went out 414 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: there with the intention of never coming back. I mean, 415 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: maybe they did, but surely there there's an option to 416 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: just say, oh, no, we just want a glass of water, 417 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: or no, we'll take the non we won't you know, 418 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: pay the deposit. We're just gonna we know, for the 419 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: receipt for your bottle if you're not coming back. Well yeah. 420 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: At the same time, though, I mean, haven't you gotten 421 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: a receipt and stuffed it in your pocket and then 422 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day you take 423 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: it out and then you throw it away. The impression 424 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: that I had was that it was like you had 425 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: to really say you know that they would say, okay, 426 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: do you want their seat to return this or are 427 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: you just going to take it with you? That was 428 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: my impression. And you know, that could be totally wrong. 429 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: It could be that they just printed out a receipt 430 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: and you know that that could totally be the case. 431 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: But you know, in my in my little world, these 432 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: two men who are like super excited about getting something 433 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: trapes out into the wild with there. They're like, we're 434 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: gonna come back tomorrow and it's gonna be perfect, and 435 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna return this for ten cents, which is going 436 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: to be enough for bus back to our home. Now 437 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: in the bus that they had to ride the bus 438 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: like three hours. Yeah, it was three hours. Yeah, that's 439 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: that's that's a heck of a commute. Yeah, because a 440 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: hundred and six from Yeah, so you know, and it's 441 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: true they were UFO enthusiasts. Maybe they were going out 442 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: to see if they could find a UFO or something, 443 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: but obviously something went horribly wrong. It might be that 444 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: they were just swindled, like Steve was saying, they were 445 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: just if somebody, somebody gave him some knockout pills so 446 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: he could take their money and flee, and then hops 447 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: he gave them a little bit too much and they 448 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: just sort of died. It's entirely possible, all right, It's 449 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: just you know, a weird one that it's got. I 450 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: have to say, so far in the shows that we've 451 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: done that probably has the most clues left behind so 452 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: far that make no sense. It's just like a menagerie 453 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: of weirdness. I am. I am giving this one the 454 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: menagerie war. Yeah, but you should know, like the possibility 455 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: that that maybe these guys decided to just check out 456 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: and they decided to commit suicide, and they thought, well, 457 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: what can we do to make sure our names live on? 458 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: And so they just decided to put together a whole 459 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: pastiche of weird stuff. I'm explainable stuff. Let's write a 460 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: cryptic little note, let's let's hammer up and lead sunglass. 461 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: Not that's not the behavior of people who are intending 462 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: to do themselves in that. That doesn't hold That doesn't 463 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: hold true to any case that I've ever heard of 464 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: somebody who's playing ending plotting their own demise. Never heard 465 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: of anybody saying, well, I'm gonna make this as weird 466 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah, And you know, we talked about recently 467 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: that guy who disappeared under mysterious circumstances, and you know, 468 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: he was uphone enthusiast and he you know, for you know, 469 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: we talked about the theory that maybe he faked his 470 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: own death and there was you know, he wanted to 471 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: go out with a bang, and that's fine. That even 472 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: seems more reasonable to me as like I'm gonna kill 473 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: myself but also fake a UFO thing than this. You know, 474 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: travel a hundred sixty miles when you're like pretty broke anyways, go, 475 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: you know, make lead masks, which couldn't have been easy, 476 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, And I want to I want to speak 477 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: to the lead masks. Yeah, I've read a number of these, 478 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: and I was doing and I started thinking, well, are 479 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: they lead mass? Are they really lead mess? And that's 480 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: that's what I was trying to figure out what they 481 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: look like. And then I started doing a bunch of 482 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: looking around. And I've seen accounts of city weren't actually lead, 483 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: but they were tin, which would be much easier to 484 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: get ahold of than lead. Yeah, and you can kind 485 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: of out with pair of tin snips. Well know, these 486 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: things look like they were hammered out. I mean, it 487 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: looks like somebody hammered them out. But I don't think. 488 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 1: I don't know that they were really lead. Yeah, they 489 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: might have been. Everybody said, well those look like the 490 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: glasses you put over. I don't know, you know, And 491 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: then and I can't really tell they do like hand hammered. 492 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: I think. But but if you go, if you go 493 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: to like your your local fishing store, you can buy 494 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: those weights that come in like their cylindrical like you 495 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: can buy Yeah, you can buy those ones that are 496 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: in a long sort of cord of lead, and you 497 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: can just you could basically pound that with a slush 498 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: that was flat and then just cut out your sunglasses 499 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: from it. So it's entirely feasible to do something like that. Well, 500 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: it's just I've seen accounts to go both ways. It's 501 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: another was like, Okay, well, if they're going to protect 502 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: radiation in their tin, yeah sense, Yeah, I though they're 503 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: going to protect from super intense light and that radiation 504 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: ten works just fine, Yes it does unless there's a 505 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: lot of heat, and then maybe again again we're going 506 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: down the same rabbit hole. Yeah, and I don't have 507 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: any more theories, you know, anything else you want to 508 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: talk about with this? Well, so if you have any 509 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: theories or you know, have anything to correct us or 510 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: any more insight into this um, you can email us 511 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: at Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. Check out 512 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: our website. We've got links. Probably will post a couple 513 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: of pictures of the lead masks and that's thinking Sideways 514 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: podcast dot com, so thanks for listening. Thanks everybody dot