WEBVTT - How Google Cheated Their Way To Billions

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<v Speaker 1>CAUs Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome back to Better Offline. I'm your host

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<v Speaker 2>ed Zetron.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, in.

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<v Speaker 2>The last episode, I went over why Google's monopoly is

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<v Speaker 2>such a problem and why monopolies are a form of

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<v Speaker 2>societal cancer. And in this episode, I'll go over want

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<v Speaker 2>my App and next to Google after their anti trust trial.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the time you hear this, it will have

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<v Speaker 2>been a few weeks since Judge a Amit Meta ruled

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<v Speaker 2>that Google was an illegal monopoly in search and online advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>The next phase of this saga, though not including any appeals,

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<v Speaker 2>will decide what penalties will come. Although it will be

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<v Speaker 2>several months and most likely several years before we learn

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what happens to Google, it's clear that the company

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<v Speaker 2>sits on a dangerous precipice. In addition to a monetary

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<v Speaker 2>penalty which is fairly likely and which could certainly be

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<v Speaker 2>in the billions of dollars, Judge Meta will likely force

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<v Speaker 2>Google to want to take some action that would effectively

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<v Speaker 2>end its monopoly status or at the very least support

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<v Speaker 2>more competition, and we'll get to those in the second

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<v Speaker 2>But it's worth noting that we need to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>how we got here. For this I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 2>heavily relying on Judge Meta's three hundred page ruling. Judge

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<v Speaker 2>Meta didn't concern himself with how Google got big because

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<v Speaker 2>nanto trust law, there's nothing really prohibiting you from achieving

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<v Speaker 2>dominance by being good and better than the competition. And

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<v Speaker 2>to be fair, for the first couple of decades, Google

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<v Speaker 2>was genuinely superior to any alternative. This was evidenced by

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<v Speaker 2>its early reviews with Danny Sullivan, who now works for

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<v Speaker 2>Google as a guy who occasionally pretends to care about

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<v Speaker 2>what reporters think, but at the time he wrote for

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<v Speaker 2>Search Engine Watch and he said, so how about results.

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<v Speaker 2>I think many people will be pleased, especially for the

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<v Speaker 2>ever popular single and two word queries. A search for

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton brought the White House site up at number one.

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<v Speaker 2>A search for Disney top Rankdisney dot Com and sections

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<v Speaker 2>with it like Disney World, the Disney Channel, and Walt

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<v Speaker 2>Disney Picture. Yet interesting alternative sites like Werner's unofficial Disney

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<v Speaker 2>Park links also made it to that list. Now let's

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<v Speaker 2>just taken aside here. I'm just gonna go to Google

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com as we speak. I'm gonna take Disney in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna read you what's on there. So the first

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<v Speaker 2>things at the top are all sponsored. It's sponsored, and

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<v Speaker 2>then tickets and tours is very big font and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's five different options to buy something on trip dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of vacation package, and then another thing from

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<v Speaker 2>a company called Undercover Tourist. And then the results are

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<v Speaker 2>Disney dot Com and disneyplasen well Disneyworld. But that those

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<v Speaker 2>are like the They are the smallest thing on this

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<v Speaker 2>page compared to the Disney store link in Vegas, and

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<v Speaker 2>the four or five different sponsored pieces of content. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you scroll down, it's Disney Products YouTube, Disney, Disney

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<v Speaker 2>on Eggs, Disney Parks. Oh, this is all pretty good,

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<v Speaker 2>but no original content. There's like one hundred thousand different

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<v Speaker 2>Disney blogs that just aren't on there. Google don't give

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<v Speaker 2>a shit, but they used to. Google also outclassed the

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<v Speaker 2>competition on a technical level, as noted by Brian Durell,

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<v Speaker 2>former sceening of Director of Production Operations at Alta Vista,

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<v Speaker 2>in a hacker Use post. He blamed Altavista's demise on

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<v Speaker 2>its failure to update its result indexes, which in turn

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<v Speaker 2>meant that many of their front page results led to

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<v Speaker 2>outdated or dead links, and I quote this was particularly

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<v Speaker 2>bad because one of our earliest strong points was fresh indexes.

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<v Speaker 2>Our ability to refresh the supplementary index on the flight

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<v Speaker 2>was awesome. When you lose one of your primary strengths,

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<v Speaker 2>it's noticeable, he said, adding that the decline in Altavista's

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<v Speaker 2>index quality was due to a loss of focus within

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<v Speaker 2>the company. Oh would hate for that to happen to Google.

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<v Speaker 2>Google was at the time, both objectively and subjectively better

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<v Speaker 2>than anything else, and so it grew, and like I

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<v Speaker 2>said last episode, it became a verb, kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>how we say photoshop instead of airbrush, or xerox instead

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<v Speaker 2>of photocopy, and better offline listener instead of average criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only did it fend off its earliest competitors, but

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<v Speaker 2>it also brushed past anyone that would try to steal

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<v Speaker 2>its market share, like damp musk Acolyte Jason Kalakanis's Malhallow,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a human created search engine, a bit like

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<v Speaker 2>the early version of Yahoo and Kull, which emphasized its

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<v Speaker 2>larger search indexes and privacy centric ethos as the thingishing factors.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so we are clear, being popular or superior is

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<v Speaker 2>not an antitrust valulation. No, no, no, no, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the problem. What Google did afterwards was the problem, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the eyes of Judge Meta and the US government,

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<v Speaker 2>was also illegal as a though, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>things am about to cite are from this ruling, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes linking to them kind of hard. Please don't be

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<v Speaker 2>mad at me. But much of this ruling discusses something

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<v Speaker 2>called distribution, which refers to how Google makes its search

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<v Speaker 2>product accessible to users. The Google website is the most

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<v Speaker 2>obvious example of that, but it also includes browser and

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<v Speaker 2>device integrations. You ever wonder why the default browser option

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<v Speaker 2>on Safari and Firefox is Google? I kind of said

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<v Speaker 2>it last episode. It's because Google pays these but he's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money. In the United States, half of

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<v Speaker 2>all searches happen through an access point were Google is

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<v Speaker 2>paid to be the default. A further twenty percent come

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<v Speaker 2>through Google Chrome, which is made by Google. And does

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<v Speaker 2>it follows that Google is the default search engine? Little

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<v Speaker 2>monopoly and your monopoly hit my ride. Only thirty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of US search queries take place in environments where Google

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<v Speaker 2>is not the default browser, Which is not to say

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<v Speaker 2>that all those searches are going to Duck duck go

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<v Speaker 2>or bing, but rather that consumers have made an active

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<v Speaker 2>decision to use whatever browser they've selected. And while you

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<v Speaker 2>could argue that the consumers could choose to change the

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<v Speaker 2>default on Safari or Firefox to something other than Google,

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<v Speaker 2>the reality is, as shown by Google's own internal research

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<v Speaker 2>and communications, that most consumers either don't know how or

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<v Speaker 2>just don't care to. Another internal study mentioned in the judgment,

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<v Speaker 2>this time from twenty twenty, showed that half of all

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<v Speaker 2>US iPhone users didn't even know what search engine they

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<v Speaker 2>were using. The ruling also points out that in some cases,

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<v Speaker 2>there are inherent points of friction dissuade users from changing

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<v Speaker 2>their default search engine. Switching on Android was arguably more

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<v Speaker 2>difficult than nonios, the ruling said, also noting that the

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<v Speaker 2>smaller screen of a smartphone and general fiddliness of things

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<v Speaker 2>was a further deterrm. Google's own estimates show that if

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<v Speaker 2>it lost search placement on iOS to another provider, it

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<v Speaker 2>would lose between sixty and eighty percent of its traffic

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<v Speaker 2>just because of how tricky it is to change these

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<v Speaker 2>default settings. And so you're starting to get an understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of the importance of these default placement deals for Google

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<v Speaker 2>and how critical they are to its bottom line. In

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, Mozilla made eighty percent of its operating budget,

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<v Speaker 2>or four hundred million dollars, by selling default placement to Google.

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<v Speaker 2>Two these monopolies have real consequences. Apple meanwhile, owns a

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of advertising revenue from queries made from Safari and Chrome,

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<v Speaker 2>even though Apple doesn't actually bundle Chrome with its devices.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty two, this amounted to about twenty billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>which was double the figure of twenty twenty and amounted

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<v Speaker 2>to one six of Apple's operating profit from that year.

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<v Speaker 2>Google also assigned deals with several US carriers like T Mobile, Verizon,

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<v Speaker 2>in AT, and T, as well as other Android manufacturers,

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<v Speaker 2>including Samsung and Motorola. The terms of these deals differ

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<v Speaker 2>between companies, but they usually account for a percentage of revenue,

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<v Speaker 2>with the actual percentage varying from contract to contract. While

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<v Speaker 2>these deals are undoubtedly good for the balance sheets of

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<v Speaker 2>these companies, they do impose restrictions on what these companies

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<v Speaker 2>can do. Take Samsung, for example, which has around thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of US smartphone market share, second only to Apple.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty nineteen, Samsung wanted to integrate technology from a

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<v Speaker 2>startup called Branch, which would allow users to search for

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<v Speaker 2>content within installed applications, as well as to a limited extent,

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<v Speaker 2>content from the Internet, although it was not to be

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<v Speaker 2>clear a proper search engine in any real sense. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>how there was a little bit of initial excitement around this,

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<v Speaker 2>Samsung also saw h kind of become clear that the

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<v Speaker 2>way Branch worked conflicted with their agreement with Google, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the software had to be reworked in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that massively limited its functionality. While the partnership went ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>it was nowhere near as lucrative as Branch first hoped.

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<v Speaker 2>The software was crippled and thus much less attractive. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 2>AT and T also wanted to pre install Branch on

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<v Speaker 2>its devices, but decided against it when it couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>clarity from Google whether it violated the terms of its

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<v Speaker 2>revenue sharing deal. Google, it seemed simply stonewalled AT and

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<v Speaker 2>T into submission. And this is again going back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Matt Stolar interview I did. When you have rules

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<v Speaker 2>like this, when you have monopolies, they do operate like

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<v Speaker 2>miniature governments. And indeed, this is an example Google didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even need to intimidate these people. In most cases, they

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<v Speaker 2>just made enough money and they were scared enough of

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<v Speaker 2>violating the deal that they literally made their devices worse.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't install cool software for fear that Google might

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<v Speaker 2>sue them and cut off a lucrative revenue share. It's

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<v Speaker 2>nasty even Apple, a company that is at varying times

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<v Speaker 2>close to or the most valuable company in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>itself constrained by this devil's deal with Google. At one point,

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<v Speaker 2>Google insisted on altering the terms of its agreement to

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<v Speaker 2>prevent Apple from suggesting relevant links to users through the

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<v Speaker 2>Safari search bar, as such a feature would be and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote, substantially similar to Google search. Apple, for what

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth, has said that it did not feel constrained

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<v Speaker 2>by these restrictions, which makes it fine with me. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding the kidding. I'd argue that they would say

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<v Speaker 2>that because they were making twenty billion dollars each year

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<v Speaker 2>from Google. And if I'm honest, if somebody gave me

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<v Speaker 2>twenty billion dollars, I'd let them do whatever they wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit me with a baseball back, roun me over with

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<v Speaker 2>your car. I don't care call me a pig. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>oink for you. Give me twenty billion dollars. I need

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<v Speaker 2>twenty billion dollars. Please give it to me now. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you can't give me your money, then perhaps you'll

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<v Speaker 2>hand it to one of the extremely well targeted advertisements

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<v Speaker 2>that follow this wonderful message once that will make you

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<v Speaker 2>say wow. This is definitely one that Ed wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>follow what he just said, and we're back. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>back with Google. As I've kind of hinted at, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think without their ad monopoly and with their Google

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<v Speaker 2>Search monopoly, I don't think Google is a profitable business.

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<v Speaker 2>And I definitely don't think Google Search is a profitable business.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's actually kind of a cost center. Search

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<v Speaker 2>is in effect the vehicle in how Google gets people

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<v Speaker 2>to look at billions of dollars of advertisements every single day,

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<v Speaker 2>and Google doesn't allow any other competing business to show

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<v Speaker 2>adds on its turf. It has exclusivity, and as the

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<v Speaker 2>ruling found, that exclusivity has allowed Google to raise prices

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<v Speaker 2>at will, looking to see how far it can push

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<v Speaker 2>advertisers before they walk away, you know, to the other

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<v Speaker 2>place they can advertise to this many people in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>the company ran an experiment where it strongly increased certain

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<v Speaker 2>prices for a cohor fifteen percent of advertisers for six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>It found that half of the initial revenue getting stuck,

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<v Speaker 2>and found that there was no significant evidence that advertisers

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<v Speaker 2>were changing what products they don Google would later do

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<v Speaker 2>further studies where it significantly hyped prices on advertisers, and

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<v Speaker 2>each time it learned that it could charge more without

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<v Speaker 2>losing them. While Google acknowledged there was a limit to

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<v Speaker 2>how far it could push things, they believed that there

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<v Speaker 2>was still more value to extract from its customers, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it's set upon a strategy of gradually, though significantly,

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<v Speaker 2>I should add raising prices across short intervals, as in

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<v Speaker 2>the siding. Goddamn, is this company so fucking evil? They

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<v Speaker 2>should be eradicated from existence. The fact that people like

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<v Speaker 2>this function in good societies only prove that there are

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<v Speaker 2>things wrong in the world. Every time I read about them,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel poison in my veins. But there's more. These

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<v Speaker 2>price rises Judge Meta noted were oftentimed when Google was

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<v Speaker 2>at risk of not meeting its revenue goals, and when

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<v Speaker 2>the company was at risk of showing some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>slow down in its ads business. Hey remember the code

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<v Speaker 2>yellow from twenty nineteen from the man that destroyed Google Search,

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<v Speaker 2>that was all around raising metrics because they were worried

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<v Speaker 2>about query growth. Google does not care. They will do

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they need to to make revenue. They will make

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<v Speaker 2>your products worse, they will make it more expensive for

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<v Speaker 2>advertisers to advertise to you. And it's all thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>their goddamn monopolies and these changes, these increases through the

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<v Speaker 2>pricing of advertising and the way that they took money

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<v Speaker 2>from advertisers. They were done with this insane lack of

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<v Speaker 2>transparency and this is really stomach turning, this beer. This company.

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<v Speaker 2>People should be in jail for this. Google didn't tell

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<v Speaker 2>advertisers that the costs were going up, but rather they

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<v Speaker 2>were timing these increases so that these increases could be

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed as noise or ordinary price fluctuations generated within advertising auctions.

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<v Speaker 2>The last point is important, by the way, as Google

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<v Speaker 2>also tried to rig these auctions in their own favor.

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<v Speaker 2>One way they accomplished this, by the way, is by

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<v Speaker 2>removing the ability for advertisers to remove themselves from certain auctions.

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<v Speaker 2>When someone buys a text out on Google, what they're

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<v Speaker 2>really doing is selecting a keyword or keywords under which

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<v Speaker 2>they want their ads to appear. The problem is that

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<v Speaker 2>people may use different words for a search with the

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<v Speaker 2>same intent. So one person might say kid's clothing where

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<v Speaker 2>another might say children's clothing. And this is a problem

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<v Speaker 2>for advertisers because you want to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 2>capture the audience you want, right, And this is a

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<v Speaker 2>problem that Google fixed by adding other relevant keywords to

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<v Speaker 2>an advertiser's bid without telling them. Now, this might seem

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<v Speaker 2>like a nice thing that Google did, making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>your money goes further, right, The problem is, as the

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<v Speaker 2>ruling showed, the Google interpreted the word relevant in the

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<v Speaker 2>broadest way possible, so kids clothing would, as one shot

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<v Speaker 2>shown in the ruling showed, include phrases like newborn children's

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<v Speaker 2>clothing or kid's clothing Canada or Tjmax kids wear. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's great is if you don't like this, you have

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<v Speaker 2>no one else to advertise, with no other choices. And

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<v Speaker 2>while Google initially allowed advertisers to opt out of this feature,

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<v Speaker 2>which they called semantic matching, or use a limited version

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<v Speaker 2>that would only include grammatical variations like pluralization, so children clothing,

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<v Speaker 2>children's clothing, and so on and so forth, They of

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<v Speaker 2>course remove these options. It means that unless the advertiser

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<v Speaker 2>explicitly states what keywords they don't want their advert to

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<v Speaker 2>appear under, they're going to be bid on search results

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't relevant to their needs. And guess who controls

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<v Speaker 2>what are relevant? Google? Google. Google's the one that tells

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<v Speaker 2>you how much money to spend on Google. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it, well, you can work with Google to advertise

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<v Speaker 2>on Google, and otherwise you go fuck yourself. And this

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<v Speaker 2>in turn increases the amount of advertisers bidding for space

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<v Speaker 2>in an auction, which in turn results in higher prices

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<v Speaker 2>for advertisers in a completely unpredictable way that's predictably evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only does Google control the supply, they literally control

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<v Speaker 2>the demand. And while Google at one point provided advertisers

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<v Speaker 2>with detailed information about their matched keywords and the algorithmically

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<v Speaker 2>selected ones at that it no longer does so. As

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<v Speaker 2>a result, advertisers are effectively forced to guess what keywords

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<v Speaker 2>their ad might appear under, and they have no other

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<v Speaker 2>vendor to go to who might be a little more transparent.

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<v Speaker 2>This in turn, by the way, pushes them to larger

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<v Speaker 2>advertising agencies who have a better relation and ship with Google,

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<v Speaker 2>who might have keyword banks that they know that they

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<v Speaker 2>can cut out so that the advertising dollars are more

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<v Speaker 2>efficiently spent. This in turn makes advertising agencies, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>bigger ones, more powerful and hurt small businesses. It's so

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<v Speaker 2>cool watching this happen. It doesn't make me angry at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But in his ruling, Judge Meta found that Google's practices

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<v Speaker 2>had degraded the quality of its text advertisements and charge

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<v Speaker 2>super competitive prices for text advertisements. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>by maintaining Google's stranglehold on the search market, they effectively

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<v Speaker 2>limited how much rivals like Being can make from advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if Microsoft built a better ad tech platform than Google,

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<v Speaker 2>its share of spending would remain in line with its

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<v Speaker 2>market share and I quote here By locking in a

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<v Speaker 2>huge comparatative query volume advantage through its exclusive agreements, Google

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<v Speaker 2>ensures that advertisers will continue to spend ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 2>their text ad dollars with Google, regardless of increases in

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<v Speaker 2>price or decreases in quality. That is an anti competitive

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<v Speaker 2>effect in the marketplace, and as Judge Metter is said

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<v Speaker 2>that is bluddy well right, So what happens next. There's

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<v Speaker 2>four un likely outcomes here, each with their own advantages

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<v Speaker 2>or disadvantages and their own level of probability have come

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<v Speaker 2>into pass and had tip by the way to Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Kolovicik for highlighting these. Google may be ordered to cease

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<v Speaker 2>engaging in default search deals kind of the most obvious one,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the likes of Apple, Samsung, and Mozilla free to

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<v Speaker 2>sign agreements with other search providers, although these agreements would

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<v Speaker 2>almost certainly be less favorable than their current ones, and

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<v Speaker 2>indeed would be I don't know competitive, It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a mess. As the ruling showed, both Apple and

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<v Speaker 2>Mozilla have at times flirted with or been courted by

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<v Speaker 2>the likes of Microsoft and Yahoo, although the terms were

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<v Speaker 2>never as favorable as I mentioned, and guess what they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take them Judge Meta might although the how is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty difficult here, as Apple and Mozilla aren't defendants in

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<v Speaker 2>this case. Force browser developers to offer use as a

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<v Speaker 2>ballot screen where people could choose what search engine they'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to use. This would probably boost the market share

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<v Speaker 2>of smaller search providers by a small degree, although I

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<v Speaker 2>imagine most would just opt, through habit or preference, to

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<v Speaker 2>pick Google at the very least until a viable alternative

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<v Speaker 2>gains momentum. But this is still a start. It's still good. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then again, it's entirely possible that people might try something

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<v Speaker 2>new and either because they like what they've selected or

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<v Speaker 2>through sheer inertia, they don't go back to Google. As

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<v Speaker 2>Google's data shows, this is a real threat, especially on mobile,

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<v Speaker 2>which accounts for a massive portion of its search traffic

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<v Speaker 2>and thus its ad revenue. Google may be forced to

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<v Speaker 2>share click and query data with rivals, although again this

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<v Speaker 2>poses its own thorny issues, especially when it comes to privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>At the very least, it should at least tell advertisers

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<v Speaker 2>what keywords they're buying and give them meaningful opportunities to

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<v Speaker 2>opt out of irrelevant queries. While this sounds like a

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<v Speaker 2>minor slap on the wrist, it has the potential to

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<v Speaker 2>cost Google billions. Google's made so much money from forcing

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<v Speaker 2>advertisers to buy slots on searches they don't want or

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<v Speaker 2>care about, and by forcing people into auctions against their

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<v Speaker 2>will or knowledge. When buyers are empowered, it follows that

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<v Speaker 2>the price of ads will decrease commensurate with the lower

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<v Speaker 2>levels of demand, And I don't know consumer choice is

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<v Speaker 2>good and Google does not like consumer choice, so I

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<v Speaker 2>assume it's less profitable to let people choose things. But finally,

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Meta may order the actual breakup of Google, compelling

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<v Speaker 2>the company to divest Chrome, Android, or more than likely

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<v Speaker 2>its advertising division. This remedy is arguably the most potent

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<v Speaker 2>and one that Google is most likely to oppose, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's also the most funny. But let's get into why

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<v Speaker 2>it's thorny. Chrome and Android are based on open source products,

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<v Speaker 2>the chromeum Project and the Android open Source Project, respectively,

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<v Speaker 2>and short of prohibiting Google from contributing code or providing funding,

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<v Speaker 2>it would have a leading role in these developments and

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<v Speaker 2>thus real influence. Moreover, Google's presence in Android isn't just

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<v Speaker 2>in the operating system itself, but everything else called Google

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<v Speaker 2>Mobile Services or GMS. GMS is the package of software

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<v Speaker 2>that turns an Android phone into a Google phone. It

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<v Speaker 2>includes the apps that company installed when you buy a

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<v Speaker 2>Samsung or Gaomi phone, like Gmail, Google Chrome, Google Assistant,

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<v Speaker 2>and so on, and also Google Gemini, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>the APIs that allow third party applications to integrate with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Any ruling that doesn't force Google to divest these components

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<v Speaker 2>is for the most part, toothless, and any ruling that

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<v Speaker 2>says effectively that Google can no longer build apps, or

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<v Speaker 2>rather build apps for the mobile os it's most closely

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<v Speaker 2>associated with, it's kind of hard to imagine. Moreover, Google

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<v Speaker 2>could also just ditch Android. It's already working on its

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<v Speaker 2>own OS called Future. It's already using Future in production devices,

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<v Speaker 2>though it's unclear how invested they are in the project,

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<v Speaker 2>and as I've previously mentioned in the last episode, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how much staying power anything new and Google

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<v Speaker 2>actually has. Combine this with native support for existing Android apps,

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<v Speaker 2>which it likely already has and if not, could be

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<v Speaker 2>implemented as others like Microsoft and Huawei have pretended to,

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<v Speaker 2>it would effectively skirt any restrictions imposed on Google's involvement

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<v Speaker 2>in Android proper. The biggest scariest thing for Google would

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<v Speaker 2>be any separation of church and state between Google Search

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<v Speaker 2>and its ap avertising platform. Doing so would be potentially

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<v Speaker 2>ruinous for this company, which is why Google will do

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<v Speaker 2>literally anything to stop it. But it's the remedy that

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<v Speaker 2>would actually change things. Google's lack of competition in search

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<v Speaker 2>is a symptom of its ability to set pricing in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of advertising on search, and it's a problem that

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<v Speaker 2>can be solved by removing its ability to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's face it, Google Search doesn't make that much

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<v Speaker 2>money on its own. The thing that brings home the

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<v Speaker 2>bacon is the ads on search and the ads you

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<v Speaker 2>get with each query. If the ad business becomes its

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<v Speaker 2>own separate entity, Google will have to entirely rethink how

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<v Speaker 2>it monetizes search. And for san Da Pischai, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying thought. I mean, what's he do? How do you

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<v Speaker 2>rig the tables if you don't own the casino? And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I'm in beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. We

0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 2>they never rigged the tables here. That's sacrilegious. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like there's another business for him to fall back upon.

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<v Speaker 2>As a discussed at the end of the last episode,

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<v Speaker 2>Google's largely lost the ability to innovate and execute on

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<v Speaker 2>new ideas, and a new ideas that do eventually hit

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<v Speaker 2>the market are usually and often just in a few months. Murdered,

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<v Speaker 2>the bolt gun comes out chunk. They throw them in

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<v Speaker 2>the open grave with Google Reader. But seriously, what does

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<v Speaker 2>Google have other than products that directly lead to its

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<v Speaker 2>own advertising technologies. What is there besides Cloud? And even

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<v Speaker 2>Cloud is a marginal player at best when compared to

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft's Azure and Amazon's Aws. There's nothing. Before you get

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<v Speaker 2>too excited, it is worth noting that Google will no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt fight this ruling to the very end, using every

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<v Speaker 2>single avenue of appeal, every dirty trick, until they're successful

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<v Speaker 2>or they've run out of options. These little fuckers are

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<v Speaker 2>going to go after everything, and they're going to look

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<v Speaker 2>specifically an appeal, which, by the way, little Apple loup

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<v Speaker 2>court session for you here, and if there's a loyalist thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Basically, Apple loop court appeals are not a

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<v Speaker 2>retrial of the facts. It is a procedural thing. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>be looking to see whether the judge meta messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you a little bit about how that's

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the past and how bad that is and

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm a little worried it might work. Sure, there's

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<v Speaker 2>now a bipartisan dislike a big tech and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think any of the recently appointed Supreme Court judges other

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<v Speaker 2>than the ones that might be on the take.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they care about Google. Trump doesn't like Google,

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<v Speaker 2>Harris doesn't like Google. I don't think anyone that's coming

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<v Speaker 2>up is going to be like, we must protect the

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<v Speaker 2>most evil tech company of them all other than Beta.

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<v Speaker 2>They hate them, and Google Search is bad for most people.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people realize this is a problem, and this ruling,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, despite it being extremely long, is really

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<v Speaker 2>worth reading. It was very forensic in its case against Google.

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<v Speaker 2>The facts on the ground and those obtained through discovery,

0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 2>they're pretty hard to argue with. On the flip side,

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<v Speaker 2>Google also has near unlimited funds to throw out this

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<v Speaker 2>legal bow, which, as I point out in a bit

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely existential for Google and their law being to

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<v Speaker 2>try and change their fate, hope they lose, and depressingly,

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<v Speaker 2>the US hasn't proven particularly effective at curbing this horrible

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.200
<v Speaker 2>monopoly bullshit in the past, and I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you why. But before I do that, do you have money?

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a wallet? Are there credit cards in

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the wallet? Perhaps this upcoming product might be a thing

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 2>that you could stick your credit card in, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's a podcast that you could download for free. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm not an advertiser. I'm just the guy

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<v Speaker 2>speaking before the ads. Now, the ads that follow, they're

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<v Speaker 2>directly chosen from my brain. They have a neuralink in Serbia.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the third neuralink and it's connected to the

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<v Speaker 2>ad server with the company, and that's why all of

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 2>these ads are so well targeted.

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<v Speaker 3>Please to enjoy it, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>But now it's time for a little history lesson and

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<v Speaker 2>a story about how remarkably different the computing market could

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<v Speaker 2>look today if legislation had actually succeeded. In the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>ms DOS rapidly emerged as the dominant operating system for

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>IBM compatible computers, and by the end of the decade,

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 2>it held eighty percent of the market. What its growth

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 2>was in no small part due to Microsoft's chummy relationship

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 2>with IBM. They also benefited from changing market conditions, some

0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.199
<v Speaker 2>savy tech and business moves, and a few missteps by

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the competitors. But no, it wouldn't be fair to ascribe

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft's success just to its vast resources and technical chops.

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 2>He also resorted to strong arming hardware manufacturers and too

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 2>only selling computers with Windows or ms DOSS, or making

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Windows and ms DOS artificially more preferable to buying an alternative.

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>One tactic, which started in nineteen eighty three and continued

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.360
<v Speaker 2>until the mid nineties, was the force manufacturers to sell

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 2>an ms DOS license with each machine, even if the

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 2>customer wanted something like bos Ors two. This would be

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<v Speaker 2>done by strong arming vendors into buying licenses in bulk,

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 2>and not as you'd perhaps expect by demand for the

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.679
<v Speaker 2>product because the product was better. Now, how'd they do this?

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 2>What they did was they set the individual license price

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 2>for an ms DOS license so high that buying in

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 2>bulk was basically the only way to do it, and

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 2>outright refused to sell to any vendor that purchased alternatives,

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>or they just refused to sell them Windows. In the

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.679
<v Speaker 2>show notes, I've linked to the great paper from the

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 2>summer nineteen ninety five issue of the Anti Trust Bulletin

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Journal about this. It's sickening. Microsoft's insistence on bulk licensing

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 2>agreements meant that asking for a competing operating system wouldn't

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 2>actually reduce the cost of the computer. Instead, it would

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>increase it because the vendor had already bought a specific

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 2>number of licenses, and they're incentivized to bundle the cost

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 2>into each machine they sell. Buying a competing operating system

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.919
<v Speaker 2>like dr doss would in fact mean paying twice for

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 2>an operating system. It sucks. These licenses would typically only

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 2>valid for two years, which by the way, cost Microsoft.

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.439
<v Speaker 2>There was no price difference. They just chose this, and

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft didn't provide any refunds for unused licenses, meaning vendors

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.359
<v Speaker 2>had an incentive to aggressively offload them onto customers, like

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 2>providing them for free or cheaply with anyone who a

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 2>new computer, or by framing it a stars as a

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>perk purchase. Another tactic designed to bolster sales of Microsoft's

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>productivity software while crippling its rivals, was to use secret

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>APIs to control windows that were only accessible to Microsoft

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 2>software and not to anyone else. Microsoft's rivals claimed that

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 2>these public APIs were generally speaking, not as good and

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>meant that their software performed worse on Windows, which by

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the early nineteen nineties had reached near monopoly status in

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the PC market. The YouTube channel retrobytes goes into this

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 2>practice in some detail. If you're curious, and I'll link

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to that in the notes. Anyway, My point is that

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft was a bit of a bastard back then, argue

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 2>they still are, and by the mid nineties they were

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 2>already facing some scrutiny from the FTC, which opened investigations

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 2>and delivered a couple of little slaps on the wrist,

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 2>which Microsoft, of course fought. In nineteen ninety five, Microsoft

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>released Internet Explorer, its first entrant into the web browser market,

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 2>which competed with early style works like Mosaic, as well

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>as Netscape, which was the dominant player at the time,

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.919
<v Speaker 2>an opera which was rapidly gaining THEMNENTUS. Microsoft knew the

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Internet was going to be a huge deal, and so

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 2>it did everything it could to make Internet Explorer the

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>dominant browser. This included bundling Ie with Windows and structuring

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 2>it so that you couldn't remove Internet Explorer without breaking

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 2>parts of the operating system. Rivals also claimed that Internet

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Explorer benefited from hidden APIs, which in turn mean that

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>competing browsers wouldn't work quite as well. In nineteen ninety eight,

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the US Department of Justice filed a suit against Microsoft,

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 2>accusing it of breaching the Sherman Act, the same law

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 2>that Judge Ammitt Meta rulled Google violated by establishing a

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.639
<v Speaker 2>near monopoly of the X eighty six computer market, and

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft lost the trial and the release of Bill Gates's

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>deposition takes, which are hilarious. He responded with I don't

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>recall to most questions and he asked for the definition

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 2>of WI een ask anyway. It was humiliating for Microsoft.

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.199
<v Speaker 2>In two thousand, Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson ordered the breakup

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>of Microsoft into two companies, one responsible for the operating

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.719
<v Speaker 2>system and one that would create applications. As you'd expect,

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft appealed, and the following year in Apple Look, Court

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 2>reversed the ruling on a technicality as Judge Jackson had

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>improperly discussed the case with the media before its conclusion.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>While the findings of the case stood, Jackson's ruling was overturned,

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 2>allowing Microsoft to reach a settlement with the Department of Justice,

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and so we got another slap on the rest. Microsoft

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>would have to share its private APIs with competitors and

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>agreed to five years of monitoring where a Department of

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Justice representative could unannounced sharp up to its officers and

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>demand access to source code and records. The Department of

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Justice also created a technical committee, which consisted of three experts,

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>none of whom could be recent Microsoft employees or contractors,

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>to ensure their compliance. Microsoft could, however, keep bundling software

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 2>like Internet Explorer with its operating system, which meant that

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>its near monopoly on the browser market would remain relatively

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 2>unchallenged for another eight years until Google Chrome arrived. I

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>don't take any pleasure in saying that I loathed Google.

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>As someone who grew up on the Internet, it was

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 2>really the product that showed me the possibilities of the

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Web and expanded my horizons with every search and click

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I used Google. Shit done, I still do. None of

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>us like that Google's bad. I wish it was good.

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>It was, and as I've already said, I've said this

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.479
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times, it was a really good product

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and it was good like five ten

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>years ago, I swear. But now it's become corrupted. Now

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Google is just at its core rotten. This company used

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>to say, don't be evil.

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>One of the early jokes in the show was the

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Lionel Huts thing with the red marker, and it's don't

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>comma be evil exclamation mark, But that's kind of what

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 2>it is now. They just distort markets, they block competition.

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't give a.

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Fuck about you.

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 2>They don't give a fuck about their advertisers. They know

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>everyone's trapped in the system. They're also just boring now.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I remember when Google launched Gmail, I remember the hubbub.

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I remember people selling the invites on eBay. It was

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 2>genuinely cool, and it was far superior to everything else

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 2>on the market, hot Mail, Yahoo Mail. They were dogshit

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>in comparison, you know, I'm ray. Google Docs, Google Reader, Rip,

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>and even Google Fiber were all ambitious, clever, and worthwhile

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 2>products that actually people like and use and are happy with.

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Now we have Android phones with AI features that nobody wants,

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>these horrible, dreadful generative AI tools that mislead and misrepresent,

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 2>and a family of products that, while once genuinely were useful,

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 2>they feel like stale and unhelpful. They don't feel like

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>they're made for human beings. They feel like little experiments

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>except where the rats man. That's cliche. Oh well, and

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>there's a genuine chance here though, there really is. I

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>know I've kind of given you a little bit of

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 2>a cynical view there is a chance here that if

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Judge Metta truly punishes Google, that it could genuinely fix

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>this company by destroying it. And I think that's a

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>good thing for the future of the tech industry. Google

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>as a company used to be symbolic of a kind

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 2>of stable equilibrium and capitalism, a profitable company that made

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<v Speaker 2>societally useful products, ones that change lives mostly for the better,

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>with a culture that actively encouraged a kind of digital

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>experimentation that in turn led to better, cooler products like

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Gmail and Google News. And let me just be really

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>abundantly clear, that company is dead. Google as you know

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it is dead. What remains is alphabet, a private equity

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>firm run by a management consolean hiring other management consultants

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>to dump money into dominating industries and extracting as much

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:31.959
<v Speaker 2>value as possible before the market's collapse. Google is lazy, languid, ugly,

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 2>bereft of innovation, and bereft of the kind of culture

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 2>that made it so powerful in the first place. This

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 2>isn't a company full of genius engineers allowed to do

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>great work. It's a company run by assholes. It's a

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 2>company run by management consultants, sundarp is shy. He is

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 2>cancerous to innovation. He makes two hundred million dollars making

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 2>products worse yet more profitable. Prabagar Ragavan is a poison

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 2>in the veins of Silicon Valley, and Liz read is

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>a class trait to so the engineers that actually care

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>about creating great products. At sixteen hundred Amphitheata Parkway. The

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 2>company Google deserves to be obliterated because in its current form,

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 2>it is defaulted on its duty to the tech industry,

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 2>to its customers, and even to its own mission. The

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>only way to fix Google is to destroy it and

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to force it to start earning customers again. To fix

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the tech industry, we must obliterate every single one of

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 2>these monopolies metas hold on advertising, Apples, hold on the

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>app store, Googles, hold on Search and its associated advertising arms.

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Every single one flies in the face of Yu and

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I love technology and runs counter to the notion that

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Silicon Valley has a meaningful place in society. All of

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>these people, they talk about the meritocracy, they talk about

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 2>earning one's place. It's hard graft and burning that makes

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>these great companies. But look at them. Do any of

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 2>these companies really look like they're built out of hard work. No,

0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>they giant cons cons wrapped in companies, wrapped in monopolies,

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>wrapped in bullshit that makes products worse. Big Tech had

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>a really good thing going. Big Tech made so much

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 2>money without really trying that hard, and all they had

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>to do was not get too greedy. But they did.

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 2>They always do. So we as a society should reject

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 2>companies over a certain size, and we should indeed reject

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>everything that Big Tech is saying about their hard work.

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>The GENERATIVEAI boom is disgusting, and it's disgusting because it

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>shows such an incredible contempt for society itself, for the

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:37.959
<v Speaker 2>creators that it's depriving of a future because bosses are

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 2>lazy and don't trust their customers or care about the

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>customers enough to provide them with real things made by

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>real humans. Generative AI is just proof that these companies

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 2>can't innovate anymore. It's proof that they don't care about

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the customer enough to create something useful, and honestly, it

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>shows that they don't know how to run real companies anymore.

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>So I challenge you, the listener, to continue to critique

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 2>these companies. To move away from their software where you can,

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and they know how impossible that is because of these monopolies.

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 2>But I also encourage you to talk to your friends,

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>your family, especially those not super online, and tell them

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 2>about monopolies. Tell them about this podcast, sure, but talk

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>to them about monopolies. Make monopolies general parlance in good conversation.

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Look for the monopolies in your life. Look at how

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 2>people have successful businesses, not from providing a great product,

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 2>but from fucking everyone around them, from cheating. Because that's

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 2>what a monopoly is. It's a cheat, a cheat by

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a lazy person, a cheat by an incurious person, a

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>cheat from a scumbag. And you're not like them. I

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 2>know that, and I want you to talk about monopolies

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 2>in your general life. I know it sounds silly, I

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>know it sounds ridiculous like talking to regular people about this,

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.919
<v Speaker 2>but these monopolies ruin your life. These monopolies are where

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 2>so many pain points in your lives come from, both

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>in tech and in regular lives. Thank you so much

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>for listening to this, thank you so much for giving

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>me your time. And as I've kind of hinted before,

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 2>we've been renewed for a second season. You've got a

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>few more episodes of season one before season two starts,

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and nothing's really gonna change. But again, I'm so grateful

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 2>to have you as listeners. I really am. It's a

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 2>pleasure to do this, it's a pleasure to serve you,

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 2>and I will be trying to make it better. I

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>don't really have a way of monopolizing anything, and also

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I have that in me. I'm just

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>too pissed naturally, have a great week. Thank you for

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