WEBVTT - #478 Maggie Freleng with Tonia Miller

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent the last five years of my journalism career

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing people who say they've been wrongfully convicted, and among

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<v Speaker 1>the women I've spoken to, one of the most common

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<v Speaker 1>charges against them is shaking their babies to death. I

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<v Speaker 1>see these cases so often that I can't include them

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<v Speaker 1>all on this show. The accusation of shaking a baby

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<v Speaker 1>to death evokes a visceral reaction from many people. You

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<v Speaker 1>might be feeling it right now, Horror, followed by sadness

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<v Speaker 1>for the defenseless child, and maybe even discussed for the

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<v Speaker 1>person accused of such a crime. Many jurors at trial

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<v Speaker 1>certainly feel this way, and the prosecutors count on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing is, the medical diagnosis used to prosecute

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<v Speaker 1>this type of crime has been contested time and time again.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, the New Jersey Court of Appeals even ruled

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<v Speaker 1>that in many instances it was junk science. And let

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<v Speaker 1>me be clear, people do abuse children. They get jailed

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<v Speaker 1>for it all the time. But often when an infant

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<v Speaker 1>ends up in an emergency room with what seems like

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<v Speaker 1>inexplicable internal injuries and no other obvious signs of abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>doctors and then prosecutors quickly determine. It's what's known as

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<v Speaker 1>shaken baby syndrome, a scientifically disputed cause of death with

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<v Speaker 1>often devastating consequences for the people charged. Today we hear

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<v Speaker 1>from one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Tania Miller, and I was incarcerated in

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan Women's Aran Valley Correctional Facility for eighteen years for

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<v Speaker 2>a crime I didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling today Tanya Miller.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya Miller was born May nineteen eighty three and grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Fulton, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Growing up, we lived in the country and my mother

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<v Speaker 2>worked at a plastics company at the time, and then

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<v Speaker 2>later on she started working for manufacturing company for car parts,

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<v Speaker 2>and my father worked at General Motors.

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<v Speaker 3>But we grew up, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, not very financially secure. We struggled a lot financially,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were like a really close family, all of

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<v Speaker 2>the siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya has a huge family.

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<v Speaker 2>My father had been married and divorced a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I have siblings you know, from him from

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<v Speaker 2>prior marriages.

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<v Speaker 1>How many of you.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents have five together, and then my mother had

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<v Speaker 2>us sixth one later. But my father has four prior

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<v Speaker 2>to yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten siblings. Okay, and where do you in the lineup

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<v Speaker 1>of every in the middle?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>So what was that like?

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<v Speaker 2>Maah and my older brother, my mom's oldest were like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're two peas in a pod.

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<v Speaker 3>So we were always together.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was a little tomboy running around doing whatever

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<v Speaker 2>my brother did. I admired him so much, and we

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<v Speaker 2>just he would take something apart and I'd put it together.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd want to climb a tree. I want to climb

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<v Speaker 2>the tree if he broke a bone that year. I

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<v Speaker 2>broke a bone that year.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like we literally followed suit with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>What were some of your interests.

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<v Speaker 2>I love having my hands in the dirt. I just

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<v Speaker 2>love I love gardening. I loved anything that had anything

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<v Speaker 2>to do with nature. So we were always on four wheelers,

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<v Speaker 2>on horses. We were doing four h raising chickens and

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<v Speaker 2>turkeys and cornish tens and you know those kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So anything that had something to do with nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Then when she was eleven, Tanya's parents separated.

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<v Speaker 4>When Tanya moved in she was twelve, I was six.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Whitney Wesner. She goes by wit.

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<v Speaker 4>Tanya is considered well, I consider her my best friend

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<v Speaker 4>and my older sister.

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<v Speaker 1>When Tanya's parents split, her mom moved to the family

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<v Speaker 1>to Battle Creek in the house next door to six

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<v Speaker 1>year old Wit.

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<v Speaker 4>We even had a shared driveway. I mean I literally

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<v Speaker 4>could jump out my bedroom window and go up their

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<v Speaker 4>backsteps right into their house. And I just automatically took

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<v Speaker 4>a liking to her as like I looked up to her.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually hung out with her more than I did

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<v Speaker 4>her siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>I just so, what was it about Tanya? Because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure some of her siblings were closer in age to

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<v Speaker 1>you as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just drawn to her as a person, as

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<v Speaker 4>like her energy, and I was like, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>hang out with her. You know, she was the older

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<v Speaker 4>cool kid to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And she kept Wit around even if it annoyed Tanya's

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<v Speaker 1>older friends or boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 4>Why is this ten twelve year old just constantly wround you?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? Like tell her to go

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<v Speaker 4>away and she's like.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Why do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think if I was when I was her age,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted nothing to do with kids, Like I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this ten year old around me? Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you think she'll let you around.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know her, and I just there's just this

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<v Speaker 4>connection there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wit says Tanya and her did everything together from baseball.

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<v Speaker 4>So she's pitching me and she's kind of probably underestimating

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<v Speaker 4>the whole ten year old with the vat And she

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<v Speaker 4>pitched me one and turned to talk to somebody, and

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<v Speaker 4>I clocked it, and oh, she had the biggest black eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>We had to run into my mom's house and put

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<v Speaker 4>peas on her face like she's like your daughter actually

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<v Speaker 4>hit the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>To soccer.

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<v Speaker 4>She was a great soccer player. So she would take

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<v Speaker 4>me rollerblading, roora skating around the neighborhood. She did. She

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<v Speaker 4>taught me a lot of things. She taught me a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things that she doesn't even know that she

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<v Speaker 4>taught me. And you know, to this day, she is

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<v Speaker 4>my best friend and that has never changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya, by all accounts family and friends, was great with kids.

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<v Speaker 4>It was natural. It was natural for her. I never

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<v Speaker 4>once saw her lose her patience.

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<v Speaker 1>As often happens with big families. Tanya stepped up to

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<v Speaker 1>help her mom with all the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really difficult because then I became like the

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<v Speaker 2>living babysitter I was the one making sure all the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, had their dinner, had their baths, had their

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<v Speaker 2>homework done and stuff. When mom was working, and she

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<v Speaker 2>had to work a lot to support all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>so she was hardly there.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya played mom and then she became one.

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<v Speaker 2>At fifteen, I got into a relationship with somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>was significantly older, not significantly he was twenty four and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know it.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he was nineteen. So but I ended up.

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<v Speaker 2>Pregnant, and so I had a daughter at sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yes, Tanya gave birth to a baby girl named Kayla.

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<v Speaker 4>But she had with all her siblings, had already been

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<v Speaker 4>mothering at that point in her life, so having her

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<v Speaker 4>own it wasn't like a typical teenager having a baby,

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<v Speaker 4>Like what do I do?

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<v Speaker 1>But Tanya was still just sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up not completing the high school scene. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to like a night school, and so I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to take my daughter with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And the relationship with Kayla's dad didn't last.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not a very good relationship, and I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up getting back into a relationship with a boy that

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<v Speaker 2>I had been with before.

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<v Speaker 1>A boy named Alan, and at eighteen, they had her

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<v Speaker 1>second daughter, Alicia, you were going to school, were you working?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you guys surviving?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were working.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a hostess and he I can't remember if

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<v Speaker 2>he was a cooker, if he was doing dishes at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but he stepped up and really helped, like

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<v Speaker 2>he get you know, he got jobs here and there

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<v Speaker 2>when he could the teenagers. You don't always keep a

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<v Speaker 2>job for long. But it was a struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>But as always there was wit. Now in her teens,

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<v Speaker 1>she was ready to help.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would sit with the kids, you know, while

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<v Speaker 4>she'd take a shower or you know. I was more

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<v Speaker 4>involved than the child's father. Yeah, like I was there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not that she needed somebody else to help her,

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<v Speaker 4>because Tanya was a great mother.

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<v Speaker 1>And she still had plans for herself and her future.

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<v Speaker 1>She earned herself a scholarship to community college.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to go to be a pediatrician, ironically, but

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<v Speaker 2>that unfortunately all fell through.

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<v Speaker 1>Alicia was a very sick baby from birth.

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<v Speaker 2>They during labor and delivery, they did lose her heartbeat

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<v Speaker 2>at one point and had to do an internal monitor

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<v Speaker 2>on her. So then they were very quickly trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get her born. Wow, And so they were kind of

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<v Speaker 2>worried about her being low birthway. She was six pounds,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she was small, but she wasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>premi or anything like that. Immediately, everything seemed to be okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But then after a couple of weeks at bringing her home,

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<v Speaker 2>things just were not the same. You expect it to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of be like your first one where you don't

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<v Speaker 2>really have any issues or anything, and so I knew

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<v Speaker 2>something wasn't right, but I didn't know how to communicate

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<v Speaker 2>it or what it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>My first experience with Alicia that scared me was she

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<v Speaker 4>would she would you'd be holding her and she would

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<v Speaker 4>just like gus for air out of nowhere. I would

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<v Speaker 4>get nervous and just hand her back. I had never

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<v Speaker 4>seen that in a child. She would space off at

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<v Speaker 4>the bright lights and not even like blink.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't want to eat very much. She would almost

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<v Speaker 2>chew on the nipple as if she was teething, but

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't teething. Her diapers weren't she wasn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>urinating like she was supposed to. It was just a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of little things, and then eventually it was she

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<v Speaker 2>looked like she was staring right through you she would

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<v Speaker 2>just go limp.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you take her to the doctor multiple times? And

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<v Speaker 1>what did they say?

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<v Speaker 2>That I was a paranoid mom and yeah, So when

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<v Speaker 2>she had quit breathing, they basically told me that she

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<v Speaker 2>was angry and learn how to.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold her breath.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they said.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they didn't take me serious at all. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it was because I was a young,

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<v Speaker 2>unwed mother of two children on Medicaid, and so that

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<v Speaker 2>was why they didn't take me serious, but they put

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<v Speaker 2>that in my file. So whenever I would call, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even get the appointments.

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<v Speaker 1>She says. Her family and friends also knew something was wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't pinpoint anything.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>To call it, what it was, what to research, so

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>October nineteenth, two thousand and one, started off normal for

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya and her family.

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<v Speaker 2>Alan had gone fishing really early in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I was up with the baby trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>her to eat a bottle.

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<v Speaker 3>She absolutely refused to.

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<v Speaker 1>Eat, so she laid her back down.

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<v Speaker 2>Cayla got up a little bit later and had her

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<v Speaker 2>cereal and was watching her movie and then eventually Alicia

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<v Speaker 2>decided to wake up, and she was just as happy

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<v Speaker 2>as could be.

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<v Speaker 1>They played until Alicia got fussy, and then called Wit

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<v Speaker 1>to come and help while she got ready, Can.

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<v Speaker 4>You head over in about twenty minutes so that you

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<v Speaker 4>can watch the girls while I jump in the shower.

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<v Speaker 4>So I said, of course absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>While she waited for Wit, Tanya tried to feed Alicia again.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm holding her.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeding her, and she coughs, and formula is like

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<v Speaker 2>pouring out of her eyeballs, out of her nose, out

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<v Speaker 2>of her mouth, and so I hold her upright, and

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<v Speaker 2>her one eye like went to the back, and like

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<v Speaker 2>it just rolled to the back, and then she went limp,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was so unexpected.

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<v Speaker 3>I had almost.

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<v Speaker 2>Dropped her, and so I laid her on the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>And I called nine to one one.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya also called Wit.

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<v Speaker 4>All I hears frantically, is I Alicia's on the way

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<v Speaker 4>to the hospital. She stopped breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>Alicia was raced to the hospital, transferred to a pediatric unit,

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<v Speaker 1>and qut on life support. Then doctors ordered act scan

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<v Speaker 1>that showed mild swelling in Alicia's brain as well as bleeding.

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<v Speaker 1>An eye examination also found retinal hemorrhaging. By this time,

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<v Speaker 1>Alan and the whole family had gathered in the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>waiting room, anxious for any information about what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the doctor came in with news. He said, based

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<v Speaker 1>on the symptoms, Alicia was showing she had quote abusive

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<v Speaker 1>head trop or shaken baby syndrome.

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<v Speaker 2>When the originally when the doctor walked in and said it,

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<v Speaker 2>Alan kind of went after him, like the nerve of you,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is not no, this didn't happen. And then

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<v Speaker 2>they separated us and they started questioning him and started

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<v Speaker 2>questioning me. But when they asked me to do like

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<v Speaker 2>I just did with you and go through the entire

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<v Speaker 2>day and tell them what happened throughout the day, they

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<v Speaker 2>kept stopping me and leaving the room talking to whoever

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<v Speaker 2>and coming back in and saying, well, that couldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>possibly happened. You must have dropped her, or you must.

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<v Speaker 3>Have this, or you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was always it was just like what I was

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<v Speaker 2>saying was not what they wanted to hear, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they kept making it seemed like I was changing my

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<v Speaker 2>story when I'm simply just trying to tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>happened from the beginning to the end.

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<v Speaker 1>It was harrowing and it was about to get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Alicia was taken off life support on October twentieth and

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<v Speaker 1>died at seven twenty seven pm. She was eleven weeks old.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days later, Tanya was brought to the station for

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<v Speaker 1>questioning by Detective Tim Hurt of the Battle Creek Police Department,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't get far. Tanya asked for an attorney

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<v Speaker 1>and was released the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they didn't have enough to even arraign me

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, so they just let me go.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tanya's life was falling apart. The state eventually took

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<v Speaker 1>away her two year old and placed her in foster care.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very difficult being home and looking over and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a toddler bed with no toddler in it, you know,

0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.880
<v Speaker 2>a bass in that with no baby in it, and

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<v Speaker 2>just to know like it's never going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>same again.

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<v Speaker 1>And at eighteen she was being investigated in her newborn

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<v Speaker 1>baby's death.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so traumatic and having no help, not getting

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of help therapy wise, having no way to

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<v Speaker 2>really truly grieve, and just knowing every move was being watched,

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<v Speaker 2>every conversation I was having, you know, anything I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>all over the newspapers. I didn't want to have a TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to see the news. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want the trauma of all of it anymore. I seriously

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<v Speaker 2>had contemplated suicide. Just life was meaningless at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you even able to grieve Alicia?

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<v Speaker 3>Not like I should have.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I would find myself at the cemetery a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, laying there with her basically, but to

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<v Speaker 2>actually grieve. Looking back, No, I never did have that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though she wanted out of life, Tanya knew she

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<v Speaker 1>had to stick around.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't follow through it that I had Kayla, and

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<v Speaker 2>I truly believed that I was going to be found innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Of that, but she wasn't. Tanya was arrested, charged, and

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<v Speaker 1>tried for the death of her baby Alicia on April eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three. Trial prosecutor Daniel Buscher called multiple

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<v Speaker 1>experts to prove his case that Tanya had shaken Alicia

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<v Speaker 1>to death. The star was the man who performed the autopsy,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Brian Hunter.

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<v Speaker 5>His testimony was that she had retinal hemorrhages and bleeding

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<v Speaker 5>on the outer layers as a brain and swelling of

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<v Speaker 5>the brain, and those was the classic tryad of symptoms

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<v Speaker 5>for shaking baby syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Dave Moran.

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<v Speaker 5>I am the co director of the Michigan Innocence Clinic

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<v Speaker 5>at University of Michigan Law School.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave says, this tryaud of symptoms is the gold standard

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<v Speaker 1>for shaking baby syndrome. Brain injury, bleeding around the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>and bleeding around the eyes. That's what every doctor at

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<v Speaker 1>the time was taught, including pathologist doctor Hunter.

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<v Speaker 5>So to him, this was a slam dunk case of

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<v Speaker 5>shaking baby syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>Wit was thirteen during Tanya's trial, and she remembers every

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<v Speaker 1>moment of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly. To sit there and listen to how they portrayed

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<v Speaker 4>this person that I've known for so long on a

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<v Speaker 4>daily basis, it broke my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>What were some of those things that they were saying

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<v Speaker 1>about her that you knew not to be true.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, she's a young mother and she just.

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<v Speaker 1>Snapped, got headaches. You're strussing out living at the Dolls house.

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<v Speaker 2>You have no money, no job, you're not getting along

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<v Speaker 2>as your boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>You take care of your child ninety nine point.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine percent the night, and you snapped that particular day,

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<v Speaker 2>That's when happened, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's like, no, I never once saw her loser

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<v Speaker 4>patience with children like that, never once saw her even

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<v Speaker 4>get frustrated in that type of way. So to hear

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<v Speaker 4>them portray ray somebody you love and know so deeply

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<v Speaker 4>on the news and in the papers and in a

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<v Speaker 4>courtroom where you can't say anything, it was just it

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<v Speaker 4>was awful. It was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what did she look like during all that?

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<v Speaker 4>In shock? And Matt was portrayed badly too. Oh look

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<v Speaker 4>she has no emotion. Oh she's sitting there speechless. She's

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<v Speaker 4>a teenager who lost her daughters, and you people, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you know she's being charged with these horrendous crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya needed a great defense to beat the quote slam

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<v Speaker 1>dunk case. The prosecution claimed they had.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom, bless her heart, you know, went through the

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<v Speaker 2>yellow pages trying to find an attorney who would agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to take a murder case. She found Headinger and Headinger

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<v Speaker 2>out of Kalamazoo. Her and my grandmother had to go

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<v Speaker 2>through there fork just to get the funds to retain him.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya's family paid Edwin Hedinger for what they thought was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the best defense, but the defense actually

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<v Speaker 1>agreed that it was shaking baby party. It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, the original defense at trial did not contest to

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<v Speaker 5>shaking baby syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave says, in those days, there weren't many people disputing

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<v Speaker 1>these science behind shaking baby syndrome, at least not locally.

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<v Speaker 5>I really don't think that there was anybody in Michigan

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<v Speaker 5>who was questioning any part of the shaking baby syndrome

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<v Speaker 5>dogma at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tanya's attorney worked with the knowledge and resources he had.

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<v Speaker 2>He believed that a crime had been committed, but didn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe that it was me that did it, So his

0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.400
<v Speaker 2>focus was on somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing it, someone else like Alan.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to believe it, and I still to

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<v Speaker 2>this day don't believe it. But it was just, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when they're saying that this is absolutely positively what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know I didn't do it, my mind is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe he did, but I don't believe he

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<v Speaker 2>ever would have harmed her.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially now that you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean I knew him back then and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that's not something that he would have done.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time that's the only defense she had

0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.679
<v Speaker 1>casting reasonable doubt as to who may have shaken Alicia.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe the baby could have been shaken when she was

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<v Speaker 5>in the custody of her paternal grandparents the day before,

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<v Speaker 5>and then the symptoms only showed up the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya also testified in her own defense.

0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 5>She tried to testify about Alicia's sickliness, her troubles breathing before,

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<v Speaker 5>but that didn't really lead anywhere because again, that wasn't

0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.360
<v Speaker 5>the defense theory. There was no expert to back that up.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe there was something else going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any explanation why that wasn't Was it tried

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<v Speaker 1>to be presented and then it was barred, or why

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't any of this previous medical history entered?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think the defense layer correctly recognized that it

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<v Speaker 5>would have been treated as a red herring. The prosecution

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<v Speaker 5>would have criticized him for creating a red herring because

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<v Speaker 5>you've heard from all the experts that none of what

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.320
<v Speaker 5>happened before matters. All that matters now is this baby

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.399
<v Speaker 5>was shaken just before she died, so none of that

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 5>would have worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya felt like there was no winning.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, I kind of felt like I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>During jury deliberations, she remembers her lawyer saying.

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<v Speaker 2>If the jury comes out and they refuse to look

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<v Speaker 2>you in the eye, you're pretty much guaranteed that they're

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.159
<v Speaker 2>going to find you guilty.

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.760
<v Speaker 3>And that's exactly what happened. My heart just.

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Dropped watching them walk out of there, and only one

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of them looked me in the eye. The rest of

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.680
<v Speaker 2>them just looked at the floor and made their way

0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.240
<v Speaker 2>back to their seats before they handed over their verdict.

0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.640
<v Speaker 4>I was not actually prepared for them to find her guilty,

0:21:55.800 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 4>because I knew she was innocent, so that and I mean,

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:01.800
<v Speaker 4>who can prepare you for that?

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.280
<v Speaker 2>My niece was in the background, and if you ever

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.399
<v Speaker 2>pull up the court documents, you will hear her like

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>scream when they read the verdict teeth.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was not even a second after that that

0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 4>they were dragging her out, and I'm trying to reach

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<v Speaker 4>over the banister and grab her hands, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody's crying. Everybody's screaming, and we're all trying to grab

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<v Speaker 4>at her. You know, they wouldn't even let her say anything,

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.919
<v Speaker 4>you know, they just drug her out like this. Horrendous criminal.

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<v Speaker 4>They wouldn't even let her say about.

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<v Speaker 1>It her family.

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<v Speaker 4>So for me, you know, thirteen, seeing them my best

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<v Speaker 4>friend away and my bigger sister to me like that,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>On April fourteenth, two thousand and three, then twenty year

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.520
<v Speaker 1>old Tanya Miller was convicted of second screen murder and

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 1>was later sentenced to almost three decades behind bars. What

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.879
<v Speaker 1>were your first years in prison?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it's a very it's a huge culture shock to

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.880
<v Speaker 2>just have everything taken away and just be told what

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.199
<v Speaker 2>you can have or what you can do. And so

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:34.439
<v Speaker 2>they asked you a bunch of questions about, you know,

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 2>your mental health, about your.

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<v Speaker 3>Past and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>And this man literally looked me in my face and

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:41.640
<v Speaker 2>was like, you can't tell me that you're twenty years

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>old with a twenty year sentence and you've never done

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>drugs or alcohol. Like he did not believe that you

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 2>had never done drugs at aol, never never had an

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 2>inclination to attempt anything, still don't. So it just blew

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 2>me away that, like my attorney didn't believe in me.

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 2>And now I'm sitting here and I'm telling you that

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I've never done this and you're like, I don't believe you.

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<v Speaker 1>What and you had doctors not believing.

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>You and doctors not believing me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I imagine feeling so small when nobody believes what

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. Yeah, But Tanya's family believed her, and for

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.640
<v Speaker 1>as long as they could, they tried to support her.

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 2>My family, you know, they're not financially secure really, so

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<v Speaker 2>that drive and you know, having to buy like photo

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>tickets or you know, a meal card or whatever to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to sit comfortably and just chat and you know,

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:37.919
<v Speaker 2>eat with them and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a lot on them.

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<v Speaker 2>And my mom had a really hard time leaving me there,

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.919
<v Speaker 2>and my baby's sister had a really hard time leaving

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>me there, and so my mom kind of felt like

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't worth bringing her or coming when it was,

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 2>it took so long for her to recover afterward.

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>So they stopped visiting as much.

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I have so many so if they just come,

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, once a month, I'll have somebody come, you know,

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.479
<v Speaker 2>every every month for a year. And it just didn't

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>work out that way at all. So the longer you do,

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the less you'll see them, the less you'll hear from them.

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<v Speaker 2>The less a lands of the phone, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>That as always there was Wit writing and calling and

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<v Speaker 1>checking in.

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<v Speaker 4>I feared for her life in prison, you know, all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, because of what they say she did and

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<v Speaker 4>what people can do to people in prison at her children,

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<v Speaker 4>even though she didn't so like. I constantly feared for her.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tanya says she kept out of trouble by keeping busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked the entire time, and I worked as much

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<v Speaker 2>as they would let me, and I took as many

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<v Speaker 2>classes as I could, whatever I could get into. I

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<v Speaker 2>even applied for like AA and NA, just to be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of something.

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<v Speaker 1>And between work and classes, Tanya's life was passing her by.

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<v Speaker 1>No twenty first birthday celebration, no college commencement ceremony.

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<v Speaker 4>So many missed Christmases, birthdays, holidays. Life's not fair. Life's

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<v Speaker 4>not fair.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tanya was missing out on her daughter, Kayla's life

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<v Speaker 1>as well. At first, Kayla staved with family, and Wit

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<v Speaker 1>tried to remain a constant in Kayla's life too.

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<v Speaker 4>I went out there every weekend. I bought we had

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 4>matching pajamas. That was my little buddy, blues Clues. I

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 4>took off his pictures as many pictures as I could

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 4>every weekend that I went. I went out there every weekend,

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 4>and I made this giant photo album for her and

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<v Speaker 4>just added through it throughout the years of like the

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 4>letters she would send me or the drawing she would

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 4>send me. I just tried to keep her in the

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.160
<v Speaker 4>loop with the other child until I couldn't anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, Kayla was adopted and denied contact with Tanya and

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>her loved ones, and the years kept passing by until

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<v Speaker 1>one day, out of the blue, a man reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to Tanya by the name of Jeremy Perry.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just a layman on the street. He had

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<v Speaker 2>no interest in the whole system or anything. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a I believe in a computer engineer. Maybe I might

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 2>have that wrong, but he's seen my picture and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, your picture just stood in my mind because

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<v Speaker 2>you were so young, with such a long time, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he said it was probably a year later, like

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>my name kind of fell back into his mind and

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>he looked me up and he said he immediately believed

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't do that, And so he wrote to

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<v Speaker 2>me and he asked me if I had heard of

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:44.479
<v Speaker 2>the Michigan Innocence Clinic.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thinking it was about twenty fifteen when we first

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<v Speaker 5>reviewed the case. We by that point had litigated several

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 5>other shaking baby syndrome cases. We had our first case

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 5>in twenty ten out of Julie Bomber, and we had

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 5>taken on several other cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave says that in the decade since Tanya had been convicted,

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<v Speaker 1>there had been a sea change in shake and baby

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<v Speaker 1>syndrome science.

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<v Speaker 5>What we've learned about shake baby syndrome really as twofold is,

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<v Speaker 5>first of all, it may not exist at all because

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<v Speaker 5>of the biomechanical difficulties.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave says, it's virtually impossible to shake a baby hard

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<v Speaker 1>enough to cause the triad of symptoms without breaking its neck.

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 5>If you could shake a baby hard enough to cause

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 5>these particular symptoms, you would almost certainly fracture the neck

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 5>and that would be the cause of death. And there

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 5>was no neck injury to Alicia.

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>And then there was Alicia's medical history.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the important things is is there a prior

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 5>history and have there been prior instances of the baby

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 5>not being well which can lead us and especially of

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 5>course our experts to see are any of the alternative

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 5>causes for the symptoms present, and we had all of

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 5>that in spades.

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 4>Here.

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<v Speaker 5>We had medical records showing that Alicia had had a

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 5>series of collapses before our student attorneys went out and

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 5>interviewed the people who had seen Alicia have these problems.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a smoking gun that came from the

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>prosecution's own expert in.

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 5>One line on page seven of the autopsy report, which

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 5>was the very last page of the report. The forensic

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 5>pathologist who did the autopsy on Alicia after she died,

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 5>and he actually noted that Alicia had a cute bronchial

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 5>pneumonia pneumonia.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>The slides from Alicia's lungs during autopsy showed a cute

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:58.479
<v Speaker 1>bronchial pneumonia. Tanya had been right all along. Alicia was

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>really sick. In so many of these cases, women are

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>just not believed. Is this a pattern, you see? And

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>how is the pneumonia not caught? It's just kind of

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>mind blowing.

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 5>It is it is. It's amazing that you could have slides.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's so obvious that there's something terribly terribly wrong,

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 5>but it's this dogma that it still exists today.

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>A dogma that leads doctors to almost instinctively diagnosed shaken

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>baby syndrome, ignoring the pleading mothers in front of them.

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 5>This was somebody who is doing her level best to

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 5>try and get the appropriate help for her infant and

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 5>was getting blown off. Shaking baby syndrome results in lots

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.959
<v Speaker 5>and lots of wrongful conviction of women, probably more than

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 5>anything else, because women are usually the primary caregivers for

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 5>young infants.

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Dave hired four of the leading experts in shaking baby

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>syndrome to look at Tanya's case.

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 5>They all came to very similar, overlapping conclusions about what

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 5>had actually happened to Alicia. Doctor Francis Green, who is

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<v Speaker 5>one of the world's leading experts in pediatric lung pathology,

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 5>who looked at the slides and he said, those slides

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 5>are inconsistent with life because Alicia had a case of

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 5>acute pneumonia that was so serious that she could not

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 5>have survived it. So we filed the case.

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>In twenty eighteen, they were granted a hearing and up

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>against the experts and the facts, the judge ruled in

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>favor of Tanya and granted her a new trial.

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<v Speaker 5>It was really no contest between the prosecution's one expert

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 5>from two thousand and three coming back and our experts,

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 5>and so the prosecution knew they could not win a retrial,

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 5>and so in early twenty twenty one, Tanya was released,

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 5>and that was a glorious day.

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Tanya remembers leaving the prison and the people inside she

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>had grown up with.

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>And so then when I was leaving, there all banging

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>on the windows and you know, waving their goodbyes and everything.

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen years, eighteen years, Yeah, it becomes a family unit

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 2>in there.

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>But now Tanya was free to be with her family

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>on the outside.

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 2>So I took some time just to really get to

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>know all of my siblings' children, how my nieces and nephews,

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>because they were all married and divorce and having kids

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and everything while I was gone. You know, I lost

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 2>my father, I lost my grandparents. I have one surviving

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 2>grandmother right now, and so it was I took a

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of time just kind of focusing on family.

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm surprised I didn't break her bones from houganers so.

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Hard, and that family includes wit.

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 4>Wait, is this real? Like she's really out, Like Okay,

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm immediately going to Michigan. I spent the night there

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 4>with her. You know, we had a bonfire and hung out,

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 4>and we'd never been able to hang out as adults.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And remember the photo album Whit made while Tanya was

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>in prison.

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 4>She gave it to her, pictures of when we were

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 4>kids together. I had all her letters she wrote me

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 4>from jail in it, even her newspaper clip things. I

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 4>clipped them all out as a kid.

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Wit still admires and looks up to Tanya after all

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>these years.

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 4>You see her and she's always laughing. And you know,

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 4>she's not sitting over there like with a nasty look

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 4>on her face or you know what I mean. She's happy.

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 4>She's living her life that she deserved to live. And

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 4>I tell her, live your life than she is.

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I've kind of done a few things I probably never

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 2>would have done.

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 3>What jumping out of a plane. Oh my gosh, she

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 3>went skydiving. I went skydiving. Yeah, how was that? It

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 3>was incredible? To be honest, yeah it was.

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't even describe the free inness that you feel

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 2>just doing that.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But there's still one part about her life that's on hold,

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>her relationship with her first born Kayla, now twenty three

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.840
<v Speaker 1>years old. Tanya's reached out a couple of times but

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 1>has been shut out.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Trying to put myself in her shoes and just give

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>her that time, in that space and hope that eventually

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.240
<v Speaker 2>she'll understand that I loved her all of these years,

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't do this to her little sister, and

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:48.919
<v Speaker 2>I would have been in her life if I had

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity, and you know, just that her family really

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 2>truly does love her. Everybody wants to get to know her.

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Everybody wants a part of her life. They were all

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of tol that they couldn't be a part of

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>her life, and so nobody abandoned her. She's never been abandoned,

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 2>She's never been forgotten. We celebrate her birthday every year,

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, we talk about her all the time.

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 3>We just wish her well.

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>According to the National Registry of Exonerations, at least thirty

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>shaken baby syndrome convictions have been overturned in the last

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>three decades. Prosecutors continue to charge parents and caretakers with

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>this crime. Thank you for listening to wrongful conviction with

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie Freeling. Please support your local innocence organizations and go

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<v Speaker 1>to the links in the episode description to see how

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you can help. This episode was written by me Maggie Freeling,

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<v Speaker 1>with story editing and mixing by senior producer Rebecca Ibada.

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<v Speaker 1>Our producer is Kathleen Fink. Our researcher Shelby Sorels, with

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<v Speaker 1>additional mixing by Josh Allen and additional production help by

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Clyburn and Connor Hall. Thank you to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Life of the Law and the Midial Justice Project for

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