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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, November six. Thank guess what, everybody,

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Speaker 2: We have a stack night of headlines. Listen to the

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Speaker 2: Virginia teacher who was shot by her six year old

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Speaker 2: student at a very big day in court today, we

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Speaker 2: have a verdict and we can't wait to share it

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Speaker 2: with you. Also, Sean Diddy Combs, we spoke about this

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Speaker 2: last week. He had been transferred to his new forever home,

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Speaker 2: or at least for the next fifty months, and he's

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Speaker 2: now been moved to this low security prison while more

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Speaker 2: sexual allegations are being filed against him. And also the

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Speaker 2: private investigator we spoke about this briefly last night. He

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Speaker 2: was hired by singer David's landlord to get as much

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Speaker 2: information as possible about the case, and he's released some

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Speaker 2: new evidence about the relationship between the singer and the

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Speaker 2: deceased fourteen year old Celeste Reevas. We've all really been

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Speaker 2: looking for details into that case. Cannot believe there has

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Speaker 2: not been any sort of person of interest identified or

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Speaker 2: anybody brought into custody. Also, this whole idea of Diddy

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Speaker 2: and victims, and we.

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Speaker 3: Talk about such heavy stuff here.

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Speaker 2: So as promised, we have one of my most favorite

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Speaker 2: humans in all of the world here with us today.

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Speaker 2: Christine Klapi is going to be joining us. She's a

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Speaker 2: transformation expert, and it's going to help us with some

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Speaker 2: tools about how to navigate all of this true crime trauma,

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Speaker 2: if you will, whether we're experiencing it or even just

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Speaker 2: hearing about it. So she has real tips and tricks

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Speaker 2: to keep us all sane, especially as we are heading

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Speaker 2: into the holidays. Come on, we all need to ban

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Speaker 2: to get everyone. And also one of our most favorite

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Speaker 2: topics is really how we can help prisons and sort

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Speaker 2: of move things forward. And prison rights expert Kevin Scott

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Speaker 2: joins us later in the show as well. He's the

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Speaker 2: real deal. So we have a lot to get through,

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Speaker 2: so I'm going to probably fast talk. I'm Stephanie Lai Decker,

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Speaker 2: I head of KAT Studios, where we make true crime

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Speaker 2: podcasts and documentaries. Please please please check out in Cells

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Speaker 2: out now. Also The Idaho Massacre Season three. The podcast

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Speaker 2: also out now both on iHeart and Ladies. I get

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Speaker 2: to be here with Body move in My True Crime

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Speaker 2: Gal and Courtney Armstrong my other true Crime Gal, and

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Speaker 2: then of course Sam, Adam and Taha are in the

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Speaker 3: So, Ladies, did you have a good Thursday?

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow is Friday.

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Speaker 5: That's what's good about Thursday is Tomorrow's Friday.

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Speaker 6: That is so true.

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Speaker 3: I love a Thursday. It's crazy for a Thursday.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Do you what I call Thursday? Yeah, you call it Friday, Eve,

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Speaker 7: I call it little Friday.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yes, Friday. Jor it's Friday, Junior.

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Speaker 3: It's maybe Friday.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Ye see that's a perfect tip. Already, I see.

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Speaker 2: I already feel mentally better now that I get to

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Speaker 2: be here.

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Speaker 4: So my little jokes that I told you didn't work.

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Speaker 2: It was terrible. That was terrible. We were like a

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Speaker 2: little frazzle. We were having some audio issues in Body.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Buddy, I think I need to hear

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Speaker 2: a giggle or a joke or something. And she asked

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Speaker 2: chat GPT for the funniest joke in the world.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it was the delivery was great.

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Speaker 3: The joke so the chat GPT is not that hilarious.

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Speaker 6: Still, time layer, I'll tell her.

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Speaker 4: Let the audience decide, all right to make a smile.

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Speaker 2: Which you did and you both are doing. So let's

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Speaker 2: kick it off right now. In fact, we have a

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Speaker 9: I'm listening to your podcast from yesterday and you're speaking

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Speaker 9: about the teacher that was shot by six year old

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Speaker 9: and she said something that has my blood boiling. The

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Speaker 9: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 9: Her defense actually said that I worked in education for

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Speaker 9: more than twenty five years, and it is everyone's duty

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Speaker 6: Thank you little duty of thank here, I think, is

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Speaker 6: what she said. Right, That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I guess got covered in chills even hearing that perfect talkback.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. All of us are accountable,

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Speaker 2: you know, you see it. You have to say it

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Speaker 7: Well, we do have an update, So a Virginia jury

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Speaker 7: has awarded the former teacher Abby's werner. She is still

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Speaker 7: she's just no longer teaching right now. She has been

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Speaker 7: awarded ten million dollars in her lawsuit that was against

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Speaker 7: ex principal Ebony Parker. So Parker was indeed found liable

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Speaker 7: for failing to act act before the teacher Abby's Werner

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Speaker 4: It's okay, I'm here, that's okay.

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Speaker 7: So Abby's werner had tried to sue for forty million dollars,

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Speaker 7: jury deliberated for about five and a half hours before

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Speaker 7: previewed evidence that will in fact likely appear in Parker

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Speaker 7: she faces eight felony coylens accounts of child neglect. And

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Speaker 5: So they must have found reasonable cause that she should

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Speaker 5: so she knew that he had a gun. Right, This

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Speaker 7: And in fact, multiple staff members had allegedly warned the

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Speaker 4: Warned that that is rightly.

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Speaker 5: And she did not intervene or intercede in any way,

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Speaker 5: asking for like forty million, right, that's right. Wow, I wonder,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not sure. And but here's a little bit

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Speaker 7: of context. So, according to the K through twelve School

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Speaker 7: that is almost two times per day. Every single day

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Speaker 7: it's horrible and the teacher is she of course she

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Speaker 7: multiple surgeries. She still has a bullet. No, she still

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, poor lady, poor lady.

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Speaker 7: So in any case, we have that update, we will

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Speaker 7: continue and of course follow the criminal. This is true Creme. Tonight,

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Speaker 7: always with Buddy Movin and Stephanie Leidecker. We have been

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Speaker 7: talking about former teacher Abby's Werner's ten million dollars a win.

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Speaker 7: I'd call it in her lawsuit. If you have any

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Speaker 5: Oh, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy Diddy. Can't you see listen? Diddy

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Speaker 5: got fast tracked and appeal. Can you believe this? I cannot.

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Speaker 6: I can't.

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Speaker 7: Well, I can only because of all everything leading up

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Speaker 5: But go ahead, right, So, Sean Diddy Combs has been

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Speaker 5: transferred to a low security federal prison in New Jersey

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Speaker 5: battery has been filed against him in Florida by a

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Speaker 5: man named Jonathan Hay. Again, so music mogul Sean Diddycombs.

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Speaker 5: He was convicted just recently on counts of transporting individuals

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Speaker 5: to fifty months in federal prison. He is also facing

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Speaker 5: numerous civil suits in recent years alleging sexual misconduct, including

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Speaker 5: one from his former partner, Cassie Ventura, which was settled

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three. Well, he was just moved to

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Speaker 5: this little security federal prison at Fort Dix, which is

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Speaker 5: the place that he was like actually requesting to go.

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Speaker 5: He hand were selected, hand selected it, and the judge

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Speaker 5: was like, listen, I don't care where you go, just

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Speaker 5: go right. Totally understandable, but yeah, he hand selected this

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Speaker 5: after complaints about unsafe and unsanitary conditions in the gale

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Speaker 5: he was at at Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center. Well, he's

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Speaker 5: not going to stay in a detention center. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he's going to go to federal prison. And that's where

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Speaker 5: he went, right, So his defense team described the Brooklyn

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Speaker 5: and some safety concerns. And listen, this is probably true

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Speaker 5: I said such, right, Like, people that are at this

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Speaker 5: poor shape. So Judge Beth Robinson approved an expedited appeal,

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Speaker 7: Month fifteen month sentence, so that would be he's served

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Speaker 5: So this battery lawsuit that's just been filed by this guy,

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Speaker 6: A dollar ten dollars, I'll bet you ten dollars.

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Speaker 2: Will But no, it's just it's an unfortunate time to

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Speaker 6: I totally agree. That's right. Well, stick around.

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Speaker 7: We have Christine Collopy who is going to be here

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Speaker 6: We're talking true crime all the time. Everybody.

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Speaker 3: In fact, hey, ladies and Rare from Missouri.

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Speaker 6: Just wanted to say.

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Speaker 11: That I absolutely love your show. You guys are amazing.

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Speaker 11: I love your camaraderie, and you guys are just like

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Speaker 6: Of this planet.

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Speaker 11: It cracks me up.

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Speaker 11: I can tell you're smiling when you talk because your

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Speaker 6: I just want to.

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Speaker 11: Let you know body that I found the Pimento cheese

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Speaker 7: Have a great night. Gosh, yes, yes, yes, talk about

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a nice thing.

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Speaker 2: Please, we've all been a little I'm seeking for myself

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Speaker 2: And yeah, even in these you know, weird times, weird

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Speaker 7: Well, all I was going to say real quick is

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Speaker 3: So we're going to you cash immediately.

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Speaker 6: I'll send you my case.

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Speaker 5: Do you guys know those chicken and the biscuit crackers

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Speaker 5: It can't be like this fancy stuff. It has to

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Speaker 2: Have a confession, I haven't had it this cheese pimento

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Speaker 2: You know, we got to well, I think we just

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Speaker 9: My question is is how was she.

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Speaker 12: Able to call Nielo one that many times and in

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Speaker 2: So to all the dispatchers and all the lands, thank

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be joining us real time, My de

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Speaker 2: And while I was getting that facial, the facialist was

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Speaker 6: Oh well, how quickly and sure enough.

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Speaker 2: This becomes Christine who I am now sharing with you

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Speaker 2: running the show in not really reality, and that's really

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Speaker 2: hard to escape. Sometimes we get in these loops, whether

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Speaker 2: it's a loop of trauma or shame or fear or

447
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: victim you know, based loops. Whatever the thing is, we

448
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 2: all have our own, and she's really able to identify

449
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: it and like kick the door down and kind of

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Speaker 2: tell you how to get yourself safe, armored up and also.

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Speaker 3: To have a great, amazing, happy, grateful life.

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Speaker 6: So Christine, cal the.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for bearing with us.

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Speaker 6: You look adorable. You look adorable? Are you can?

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Speaker 2: I just let's explain she's wearing the cutest outfit right

456
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Speaker 2: now and we should start selling that on the website

457
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Speaker 2: too to.

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Speaker 13: Support the vibe.

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Speaker 5: You look great, Charlie.

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Speaker 6: Oh so Charlie is the brother of Dodger. My Dodger.

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Speaker 14: I was gonna say Dodger through Christine. Sure, yes, made

462
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Speaker 14: us that's exactly right, sister in law. Now our pets,

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Speaker 14: Oh my goodness, yes, how.

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Speaker 6: Beautiful is that? Hi, Charlie? Christine?

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Speaker 4: What is it a terrier?

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Speaker 6: Yorkshire?

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Speaker 13: When Stephanie tells you how Dodger was her.

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Speaker 6: Like, this is the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have Charlie yours.

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Speaker 4: That's so cute, so cute.

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Speaker 6: Well you look great, thank you, usual fabulous.

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Speaker 2: She's wearing like a satin you know, beautiful, beautiful pajama

473
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Speaker 2: set right now, which is what we all are going

474
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Speaker 2: to be on. We need toward. She just gave us

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Speaker 2: our team uniform. Looking at it right now.

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Speaker 6: There it is to all of you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so before by the way, if you're just joining us,

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Speaker 2: welcome to true crime tonight. We are trying to look

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Speaker 2: at our subconscious mind and sort of how we process

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00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 2: trauma and things that we're hearing, and also sort of

481
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Speaker 2: this true crime.

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Speaker 3: Space in general.

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Speaker 2: It's heavy stuff, right, We've all just witnessed an assassination.

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Speaker 13: Yes, and Stephanie, we were talking about women's fascination with

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Speaker 13: true crime. Yeah, And it's so interesting because if you

486
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Speaker 13: think about women are so fascinated with true crime, and

487
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 13: then men are really fascinated with war and like Greek mythology,

488
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Speaker 13: and that even goes back to subconscious programming because women are,

489
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Speaker 13: you know, for thousands of years just trying to keep

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Speaker 13: themselves safe and so we I think that's our fascination.

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Speaker 13: It's like, if we can study it enough, can we

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Speaker 13: get enough information to keep ourselves safe? Same thing with men.

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Speaker 13: If we're going to have to go to battle someday

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Speaker 13: or we have to, you know, be that form of ourselves,

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Speaker 13: how can we learn? And nobody's thinking that's why I'm

496
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Speaker 13: interested in that exactly consciously, there's a reason we do everything.

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Speaker 6: So it's just like, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So are we all got so excited? We all just

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Speaker 2: erupted at the same time.

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Speaker 6: I have to say that you literally described my house.

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Speaker 7: I guess I live in a cliche because if you

502
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Speaker 7: look at each of our bedside tables, my husband always

503
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 7: it's boats, it's war, it's guns, it's everything, and mine

504
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 7: is all jaggetage and true crime.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, so I'm living what you're speak of.

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Speaker 13: And we don't know why we're not. We're not making

507
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Speaker 13: that choice, but we're just so interest I have smoke

508
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 13: coming in here because I have a fire pit going outside,

509
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Speaker 13: So let's just take fire for instance. If you look

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Speaker 13: at this, and we'll talk about holidays. And I even

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Speaker 13: posted something last night just about sensory therapy, Like my

512
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 13: house is sensory overload, but pretty sensory calming. Sensory Christmas

513
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 13: is already happening here, and so we take fire. If

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Speaker 13: you come to my house, and Stephanie, you've been to

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Speaker 13: my house tons of candles. Let's say that your house

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Speaker 13: burned down when you were three years old, and you

517
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Speaker 13: heard the story about how your family lost their house

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Speaker 13: and all of this trauma, and you come and meet

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Speaker 13: me for the first time, and we've talked on the phone.

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Speaker 13: I really don't meet people in person very often. We

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Speaker 13: talk on the phone for years and years and years,

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Speaker 13: and all of a sudden, you're like, I really liked her,

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Speaker 13: but something about her is making me really uncomfortable. Now

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Speaker 13: you can't find you can't find a reason, but you

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00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 13: know you're trying to.

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Speaker 15: Not like me.

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Speaker 13: Now it's not me, it's the candles.

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Speaker 3: It's going it's triggering an old memory in you.

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Speaker 13: And you're you can't figure out. But you're like, I

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00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 13: don't know, she just rubbed me the wrong way in person?

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Speaker 15: Did I really?

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Speaker 13: Because we've known each other for ten years, But now

533
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 13: you saw the candles, and on a subconscious level, it's

534
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 13: like there's a lot of fire here.

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Speaker 15: Get away.

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Speaker 13: So the subconscious mind.

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Speaker 15: Is always, always, always working to keep you safe.

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Speaker 2: What is the subconscious mind just for like the basics,

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Speaker 2: like the baseline Paine numbers' safe.

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Speaker 13: So it runs all. It runs your speech, your lungs,

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Speaker 13: your heart, your blood, you're just everything. So imagine a

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Speaker 13: big Have you guys watched those space movies where they

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Speaker 13: always show.

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Speaker 15: The command centers, of course, that's how I.

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Speaker 13: Imagine the subconscious like it's a huge command center and

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Speaker 13: it's constant direction to keep everything going at one time.

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Speaker 13: So imagine that if you had to listen to heartbeat,

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Speaker 13: heart beat, speak, walk, talk all, it would drive you insane.

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Speaker 13: So the volume is down. It's like a dog whistle.

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Speaker 13: We don't hear it because it would drive us crazy

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Speaker 13: to hear that our heart needs to be and that

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00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 13: our lungs need to pump, and that all the things

553
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 13: need to happen. The control center would drive us insane.

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00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 13: So that control center is quiet, but it's controlling everything

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00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 13: all the time. So the subconscious thinks it's keeping you

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Speaker 13: safe by telling.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there is an actual alarm, right, it's the fire moon.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that is the full moon in action.

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Speaker 2: Right now, this is the most fun off the rails

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Speaker 2: two hours.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, what is happening?

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Speaker 10: Is it?

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Speaker 6: Really? I have to bring it all in.

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Speaker 4: I have to bring them in.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't, like.

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Speaker 2: We don't usually have that much tech issues. I mean

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Speaker 2: sometimes I do. But before the show, we just all

568
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, like it was hitting the fan in

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Speaker 2: a real way. Suddenly people's mouths were not matching. I

570
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: couldn't hear, you couldn't see Courtney. Also, they're just it

571
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: went off the rails.

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Speaker 6: I was perfect.

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Speaker 3: And that's like the worst scary feeling body was.

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Speaker 7: And then someone I got the advice of a microphone

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Speaker 7: that I I've been speaking into for more than five

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Speaker 7: years to talk to the side of it. I'm like,

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Speaker 7: what is happening everything?

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Speaker 2: So we all get like and then we all get

579
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Speaker 2: like church ladies, and we're bad in church because we

580
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: get the giggles. So you know, there we go yet

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00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: again and the giggles kick in. So now you're catching

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Speaker 2: By the way, Christine, who is the one who is

583
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: the Chiese settler, now her alarm is off. So we're

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Speaker 2: gonna blame this on the full moon and let's go

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Speaker 2: to a talk back in the immediate Does that work

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00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: all right?

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Speaker 6: Great?

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00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: Oh and she's we'll go to the talk back and

589
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: then Cutie is back.

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Speaker 16: Hi everyone, I'm more from Hamilton, Ontario. I just want

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Speaker 16: to call in and say that my favorite food is

592
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Speaker 16: always Chipotle, hands down, chicken Chipotle fowl with fiscala dressing.

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Speaker 16: I have a gluten allergy and a dairy allergy and

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Speaker 16: Chipotle is always really good and I've never gotten gluten there.

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00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 16: But yeah, that's my favorite food. You guys are awesome.

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Speaker 16: You guys are my favorite and have such a great night.

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Speaker 6: Oh we love you. I love Chipotle too.

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Speaker 2: I love Chipotle.

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00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 6: I like the tassos, I like it all.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to plead the fifth And I know this

601
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 7: is controversial.

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Speaker 6: Yeah you don't like it, I tell you what. You

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00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 6: know why?

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Speaker 7: And Stephanie though, Jason Franks is the most wonderful guy

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00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 7: we ever worked with it, But I watched him eat

606
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 7: Chipotle every day, and he would eat chicken and rice

607
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 7: every day, and I literally got sick of it just

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Speaker 7: watching him eat it.

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Speaker 2: You were like plotting, poor Jason Franks, He's so sweet.

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Speaker 6: You were like, if he eats that chicken one more time.

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Speaker 2: We love chipotlet here too, So and then Christine's back.

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00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: The fire is out, but it is a real example

613
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Speaker 2: and what we were just talking about. If you're joining us,

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00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: it's the smoke from the fire pit. But it is

615
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: interesting that we were talking about things kind of triggering

616
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: us and then suddenly the alarm goes off, right, So

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Speaker 2: that's we only have a little bit of time in

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Speaker 2: this segment, so we'll come back and wrap up, but

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Speaker 2: we're we're going to talk about how to regulate ourselves

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Speaker 2: as we enter the holiday season and why the fascination

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Speaker 2: about true crime.

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Speaker 3: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with my girls. It is that night.

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Speaker 2: We have Body Moven and Courtney Armstrong and one of

624
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Speaker 2: my most favorite people, Christine Kolopi, is here, who's going

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Speaker 2: to help us unlock our minds a bit. She has

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Speaker 2: her own creation, the Unlocked Mind and also kind of

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Speaker 2: working on your subconscious to maybe stop repeating behaviors or

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Speaker 2: you know, as we're entering the holidays, during these really

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Speaker 2: confusing times in the world, none of us are immune

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Speaker 2: to that. How do we kind of gear up to

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Speaker 2: not repeat the same patterns necessarily?

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Speaker 13: You know what the holidays are great for, They bring

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Speaker 13: us opportunities to grow. So what I always start a

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Speaker 13: call with is, so tell me what's going on in

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Speaker 13: your world, and the holidays will give you a stage

636
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Speaker 13: to clean things up because we put it away for

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Speaker 13: a year and then we're around family that we haven't

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Speaker 13: been around. Our experiences we didn't have to look at.

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00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 13: So always look at what's showing up in your life

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00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 13: and that'll tell you what's ready to heal, what's ready

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 13: to go. So things don't show up randomly, they're showing

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00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 13: up as an opportunity for you to look at that.

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00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 13: We want to look at what's happening outside of us.

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Speaker 13: But if we're always asking what was going on with

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Speaker 13: me that pulled this to me? If I'm a magnet,

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00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 13: think about a magnet. If I'm a magnet and I'm

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Speaker 13: pulling to me every experience that's giving me the opportunity

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Speaker 13: to grow and heal, what's going on in me that

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Speaker 13: is ready to go. So holidays will do that for you.

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Speaker 2: And that's an interesting thing because sometimes we've I've heard

651
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Speaker 2: this before or maybe I've read this before, where you

652
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Speaker 2: know we're magnetic. We sort of bring experience. And I'm

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00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: going to use a very baseline example and jump in.

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Speaker 2: I know this is probably inaccurate, but if somebody experienced

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Speaker 2: trauma and then suddenly it seems like they're attracting it

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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: in a weird way. So say you're in an abusive

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Speaker 2: relationship as a child, Now suddenly you're almost like in

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Speaker 2: repeat relationships that are in that same cycle. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes you know, women and men feel like,

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Speaker 2: oh my picker is off, but.

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Speaker 3: That's not accurate. Really, we're choosing familiar.

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Speaker 13: I want to try to simplify it. So if we

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Speaker 13: think we all have iPhone or phones with apps, right,

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Speaker 13: if I have an app for it, it can be open.

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Speaker 13: If I delete the app for Instagram, I mean, I

666
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 13: have my phone here. If I delete the app, I'm

667
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 13: going to keep pressing and I can't open that app.

668
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 13: Life will open the apps that you own. So simply put,

669
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 13: if I have an app for rejection, trauma, stress, and

670
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 13: the positive ones too, exhaustion, exhaustion, then those apps can

671
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 13: be opened. So when we clear subconscious programs, we are

672
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 13: actually deleting the app. So let's say you're someone that

673
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 13: experiences rejection your whole life, and then.

674
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Speaker 2: You come every single person just raise their hands in

675
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: some way, because who hasn't. Yeah, that's like a human experience.

676
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: No one's immune from that either.

677
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Speaker 13: I hear this a lot during the holidays. I just

678
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 13: realized I have no support. I never get support. Well,

679
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 13: do you have an app for that? When we check

680
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 13: into your subconscious You've never experienced support, you have no

681
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 13: file for that. So support could be all around you,

682
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 13: and you're seeing everyone be supported, but you Well, then

683
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 13: we download an app and all of a sudden, I'll

684
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 13: hear from people and Stephanie, you can speak to this, yeah,

685
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 13: and they're like, it's the weirdest thing. Everyone's supporting me

686
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 13: this year.

687
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: It's so strange, like ancessing the world as we see

688
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: it a bit?

689
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 6: Is that like the bottom.

690
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Speaker 13: Line as you see it as you're wired? So you

691
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 13: have a subconscious pro where we like to think we're

692
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 13: really unique as humans, but we're.

693
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Speaker 15: Kind of like computers. I don't want to burst the bubble.

694
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 13: But we really are mechanics, you know, And so we

695
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 13: run data. So our subconscious programs run what we experience.

696
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 13: They don't only run it, they order it. I mean

697
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 13: they build the apps for it. So when people are

698
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 13: coming into our life that are rejecting us or ignoring

699
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 13: us or whatever it is, or even loving us. You

700
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 13: see those people who are just so loved they have

701
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 13: an app for it. You're like, what's different about them

702
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 13: than me? Like, I'm lovable. They have an app.

703
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 15: You don't. It's not personal.

704
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: So can I download the app?

705
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 10: Yeah?

706
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 6: How do we get the app?

707
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 10: How do I get you?

708
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 13: I will download it for you. Okay, I write code

709
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 13: for all of that.

710
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: I need it.

711
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 15: I need it. Yeah.

712
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 13: But as sometimes we do the direction on how to

713
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 13: use those apps and how to navigate through the world

714
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 13: with language and things like that.

715
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 2: Right, that makes sense that people are grieving too, because

716
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: it's the holidays, right, Sometimes people are so happy and

717
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: exciting and it's presents and holidays, and then the other

718
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: side of that, you know, Thanksgiving coming up. You know,

719
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: sometimes there's a seat empty at the table and that's

720
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: challenging for everyone, myself included. And sometimes for whatever reason,

721
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: that gets triggered at the holidays. You know, it's like

722
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: a random Tuesday, it's fine, but the holidays kick in

723
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: and it can be really hard.

724
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 13: You can put that away and then it's we're all

725
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 13: great at compartmentalizing. I had a son that was born

726
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 13: to I passed away on December twelfth, and I remember

727
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 13: that the holidays came shocking because I'm in grief and

728
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 13: I'm just looking around, like, how.

729
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 15: Is the world moving on?

730
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 6: Functioning?

731
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 15: First year really hard? Second year?

732
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Speaker 13: You you know, time is happening, it doesn't You just

733
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 13: get used to it. It's kind of like walking around

734
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 13: with a rock in your shoe. After a while, you

735
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 13: just stop feeling it as much. So you yes during

736
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 13: the holidays. Now you're watching children and you're watch and

737
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 13: it's triggering. Now, this is what I want to say

738
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 13: about that. The first couple of years, when I wasn't

739
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 13: doing this work, I got really lost in that grief

740
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 13: and it stole my holidays from me. Now I process grief,

741
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 13: but I really do it for like forty five seconds.

742
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 13: And I know that's not a popular opinion. However, it's

743
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 13: a recipe that works. So I'll feel my feelings because

744
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 13: feelings buried alive never die.

745
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: So when we keep burying, buried alive never die said.

746
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 13: And if we keep burying them, they're waiting to pop

747
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 13: up all the time. So if we feel them, the

748
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 13: subconscious doesn't attack us. It lets us feel it and

749
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 13: move on. So we can feel them really feel them.

750
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 13: Forty five seconds is a long time when you're feeling grief,

751
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 13: by the way, So if you're sitting there and you

752
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 13: really feel your grief for forty five seconds and then

753
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 13: you choose, be ready to choose how you want to feel.

754
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 13: I want to feel happy, I want to feel calm,

755
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 13: I want to feel whatever it is you want to feel.

756
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 6: And then what.

757
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 13: Would make me feel that way? So have a plan

758
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 13: of action and then you're you're not going to sit

759
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 13: in grief and it's not going to steal your holiday.

760
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: One thing that my grief counselor told me, and it

761
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 5: always really stuck with me, and I think it's really

762
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 5: good advice is she said, grief is something you have

763
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 5: to go through.

764
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: You can't get around it. You can't go around it.

765
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 4: You have to go through it, so you won't heal it.

766
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 4: If you yeah buried alive, will never die.

767
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 8: Right.

768
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 4: So, like what you're saying really resounds with me a lot.

769
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 13: I don't think people are given permission to grieve and

770
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 13: short increments.

771
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.

772
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 13: In a collective conscious way. We've got to say this

773
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 13: out loud and it.

774
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 15: Has to become our normal.

775
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 13: I don't know, if you guys are familiar with collective consciousness,

776
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 13: it's that thing that's not familiar, and over time but

777
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 13: becomes familiar and then it all of a sudden becomes

778
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 13: all of our conscious meeter gauge for life. So if

779
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 13: we all start talking about this and we're like, it's

780
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 13: okay to gree for forty five seconds, and then she

781
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 13: was a different feeling, And boy, what would happen if

782
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 13: we if we really started teaching children that they could

783
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 13: choose their feelings. So one of my clients, her little

784
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 13: girl was really sad. She was at the park and

785
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 13: she felt left out with her friends. Apparently the mom

786
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 13: was telling me she felt so left out and it

787
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 13: was so sad, And I go, did she tell you that?

788
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 13: And she said no? And I go, so you thought she.

789
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 15: Felt left out?

790
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 13: The mom was already putting her own feelings on the

791
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 13: little girl. And so then when she asked her later

792
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 13: because I told her maybe you should ask, the little

793
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 13: girl wasn't feeling that way at all. So I said,

794
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 13: even if she had been feeling left out, ask her

795
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 13: how she wants to feel, If she wants to feel happy,

796
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 13: if she wants to feel included, How does she see

797
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 13: herself getting there, Let's give her a solution. Let's tell

798
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 13: her that she could actually choose any feeling she wants.

799
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 13: I'm working with a preschool right now, and it's a

800
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 13: really evolved preschool, and they're going to start teaching this

801
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 13: to kids, that they can choose their feelings.

802
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 3: And it's human to get stuck in them, right.

803
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think that's a real human experience

804
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: that we all have that occasional weird day where you're like, oh,

805
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: everything seems off today, and then we all look around

806
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: like it today today, Today's today.

807
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 6: So it's not.

808
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Because we don't like love each other or the job,

809
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: or we don't love our partners or the home or

810
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: the place or the thing.

811
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 6: You know.

812
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: It's so easy to assign feelings, you know.

813
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: Or it must be because we're sad for you know,

814
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: we lost a parent or a loved one, or a

815
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: sister or a best friend. It's easy to assign our feelings.

816
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: But sometimes it's okay to just feel it and just

817
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: be in it and then kick yourself out of it

818
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: a little bit and choose a different to move right.

819
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: I know, when you say it, it sounds so simple,

820
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's hard to get out.

821
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 6: Of the loop.

822
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 13: Well, and we we as humans, we want permission, So

823
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 13: like we're giving you permission right now. We're saying it's

824
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 13: okay to feel it for forty five seconds and then

825
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 13: choose a different feeling and move into that feeling, because

826
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 13: that really is going to set up the next few

827
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 13: weeks of your life. So you're gonna you're gonna lose

828
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 13: a few minutes or you're going to lose weeks, and

829
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 13: you're gonna lose moments with your family. You know that

830
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 13: can actually help you.

831
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: Heal right, it's precious time. There's a little beep in

832
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: the background.

833
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 11: I know.

834
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm also really resonating with

835
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 7: everything you're saying. And you know, the thought of the

836
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 7: apps is so interesting, and I really want to have

837
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 7: some installed and I would like to have a few

838
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 7: wiped away. So yeah, I'm just your process sounds unbelievable

839
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 7: and it doesn't make sense.

840
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

841
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: And by the way, if all of our if we

842
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: look at our brain and again jump in if I

843
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: have this wrong, but if you look at our brain

844
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: as like a screen and all of our apps are

845
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: open full volume, that's exhausting. And fatiguing and confusing and

846
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: stressful and it's triggering, you know, take it down like

847
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: everything is, Stepanie. That's no, it's fine.

848
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 13: So if you look at your computer and how much

849
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 13: space is being taken, if you have twenty five tabs open,

850
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 13: you're running at left capacity. Right, So when you have

851
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 13: and people are so good at this, raise your hand.

852
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 13: If you ask yourself a lot of questions but you

853
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 13: never answer them, You're going to ask yourself all these questions,

854
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 13: but you never answer them. That's a tab the tab,

855
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 13: the tab, the tab, the tab, the tab, the tab.

856
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 13: So you want to answer the question. If you're going

857
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 13: to ask yourself the question and it's some kind of

858
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 13: devastating question that you're dumping on yourself, answer it and

859
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 13: watch what happens.

860
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Speaker 15: It goes away.

861
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 13: So that's another tool that I give people. I say, well,

862
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 13: if you're going to ask the question, answer it. So

863
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 13: you're not dumping. You're not a dumping.

864
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: Ground, right right, I guess that's true.

865
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: And you have to be your own best bud and

866
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: sort of have your own back to some extent, what

867
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: do you have to do the work too?

868
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 5: Like you have to be responsible for you have to

869
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 5: do a lot of work to get kind of self

870
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 5: aware of these apps and whatnot too, right, Like, nobody

871
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 5: can fix this for you. You have to put in

872
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 5: the work too well.

873
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 13: What trying to say, awareness is a powerful tool. However,

874
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 13: the beauty of this work is that it actually does

875
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 13: go in and change the system. And so it isn't

876
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 13: like a constant mantra or it just happens.

877
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 15: I don't know how to explain it.

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00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 13: So, no, you're not constantly working where Oh okay, once

879
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 13: you get the I mean, think about an app. I

880
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 13: don't constantly have to download Instagram.

881
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: I have to constantly download updates.

882
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 13: Not constant, it's maybe once a year.

883
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 5: The life of the app, I have to download updates,

884
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 5: and I have to know that work the app. I

885
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Speaker 5: have to know how to post to my story, post

886
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 5: real add text, you know, so I have to have

887
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Speaker 5: knowledge and work the app. I have to be able

888
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 5: to know how the social media sel works so that

889
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 5: I get you know, views and hits and whatnot. So

890
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: you do have to put in work right well, it's.

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00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 13: An and that's where the coaching part comes in because

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Speaker 13: a lot of people, I mean I only own an iPad.

893
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 13: I don't even own a computer, So like I did

894
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 13: own one, and then I didn't want to learn how

895
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 13: to use it, and so.

896
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 15: I gave it away.

897
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 13: Right, doesn't mean that computer wasn't amazing, couldn't do amazing things.

898
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 13: It meant I wasn't willing to learn how to work.

899
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 13: So the same thing happens here. You're going to have

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00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 13: all the downloads and then I'm going to give you

901
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 13: the tools to actually learn that system and use it.

902
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 13: The fun part about this work is when you start

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00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 13: using it, it works so quickly and you start having

904
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Speaker 13: different reactions from people, and your life starts changing so much.

905
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 13: You just want more and more and more. It's like,

906
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 13: what's next, What do I want to clear next? So

907
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 13: it's just really fun.

908
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: So as we're like entering scenarios where you know, we

909
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: talk about like Diddy and these victims and things, you know,

910
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: people being unheard and unseen, and you know, it's hard

911
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: for you know, anyone who's hearing my voice even right now,

912
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: who has been through something traumatic to just like shake

913
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: it off, right, that's a hard thing. Or you keep

914
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: talking talking about it again and again and again, whether

915
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: that's in therapy or otherwise, it becomes your story.

916
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: I know, we only have a couple of minutes left.

917
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: Is there like one simple tool just to get us

918
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: on the right track.

919
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 13: I would say, pay attention to what's loud.

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00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 15: I will always ask.

921
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 13: You where's the volume in your life? Wherever that volume is,

922
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 13: it's not there to torture you. It's there to tell

923
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 13: you that that's ready to go and peel. And that's

924
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 13: the good news. So if something's really loud for you

925
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 13: and it continues to be loud, it's being loud so

926
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Speaker 13: that you can change it, not.

927
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 6: So that you can stay in it.

928
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 13: So I'm always asking people where's the volume?

929
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 10: Right?

930
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: Like, you know what we resist persists, right?

931
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: So you know the things that just keep showing up

932
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: and showing up and showing up rather than dreading it,

933
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: how do we lean in and learn from it? I

934
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: don't It seems so practical, but I know it's hard.

935
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 13: Well, I mean we were talking about I was married

936
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 13: for twenty two years the first time, awful situation, and

937
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 13: I never left or got divorced. But then when I

938
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Speaker 13: started changing my subconscious programs, everything changed. I got divorced,

939
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 13: and my sister got divorces, my brother and a divorce,

940
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 13: like it was all the paradigm changed and everyone was like, well,

941
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 13: that's safe, it's not dangerous, and now I'm in the

942
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Speaker 13: happiest relationship that Oh yay, that the life meets the downloads.

943
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh man. Thank you so much, Christine.

944
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 7: Seriously, this was such a joy and a pleasure and

945
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 7: gave us so much to think about. So yeah, we

946
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Speaker 7: all got a little peek into what's running us beneath

947
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Speaker 7: the surface. Christine Collopy is a transformational expert. She is

948
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Speaker 7: the creator of the Unlocked Mind and you can reach

949
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 7: her at the unlockedmind dot com and you.

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Speaker 6: Should keep it here.

951
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 7: We have a lot more coming up at the top

952
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Speaker 7: of the hour, including another great guest, True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

954
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I

955
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: head of KATI Studio and I get to be here

956
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: every night with the two best of the best, Courtney

957
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Body Move In. So thank you Christine for

958
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: being with us. Listen, what one funny story about Christine.

959
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: So she was in this relationship. I guess, as she

960
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: just mentioned, you know for many many years. I may

961
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Speaker 2: be getting this wrong, but I don't think I am.

962
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Speaker 2: And she had a package delivered to her home. Now

963
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Speaker 2: she's single package delivered to her home, and it was

964
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Speaker 2: sent to the wrong address, so she had to deliver

965
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Speaker 2: it to the correct address, like the person a couple

966
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Speaker 2: doors down and that's her. Now, husband, stop it, Oh,

967
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Speaker 2: are you serious?

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Speaker 6: That's so yeah. So you know, you never know, like

969
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 6: every bend.

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00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 4: So she was doing a good deed and she was rewarded.

971
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Speaker 4: She said, the best relationships for life.

972
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, good deeds can go unpunished, right, and you just

973
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 3: don't know, right, like every interaction could lead to another.

974
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: And maybe there's something beautiful around the bend, whether we

975
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: see it crystall eyed or so. Anyway, welcome back everybody.

976
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: If you've missed any of the first hour of the show.

977
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Speaker 6: Buggle up.

978
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: You can always catch us after as a podcast. You

979
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: could also join us live eight eight eight three one crime,

980
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: or you could of course leave us a talkback We

981
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: love them, keep them coming, or of course you could

982
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: always hit us.

983
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: Up on our socials. So, buddy, whe shall we begin.

984
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 4: Let's start with the Celeste Hernandez.

985
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 5: So, yes, Stephen Fisher has found an interesting piece of

986
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Speaker 5: new information. Okay, so this information suggests that Celeste Revas

987
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 5: Hernandez may have been at Six Flags Amusement Park with

988
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Speaker 5: her cousin and David shortly after she was reported missing.

989
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: So remember Celesti's fourteen years old, and she went missing

990
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 5: on April fifth of twenty twenty four, and her dismembered

991
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 5: body we don't know, but her dismembered body was later

992
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 5: discovered in the front of David's tesla in Los Angeles

993
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 5: a year later in September. Okay, David has not been

994
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 5: accused of any crime related to her death, although his

995
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 5: home and car were involved in the investigation and probably

996
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: still are. So this what he found was this build

997
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: a Bear certificate and it's dated April twenty first, twenty

998
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 5: twenty four. So what seventeen days after after Celesco's missing,

999
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: there's this build a bear certificate?

1000
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 6: Okay, what's a build a bear? Build a bear bear?

1001
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: Like the little builed beer bears that you build in

1002
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: the mall.

1003
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 6: Yep, yep.

1004
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: So I go and there's like a stuffed animal and

1005
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: I stuff it and then I have a receipt of that,

1006
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: and that is now well, you get like.

1007
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 5: A certificate and you get to Nate cut do you

1008
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 5: remember the cabbage patch dolls and it came with like

1009
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 5: a birth certificate.

1010
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 4: It's kind of like this little birth certificate for your

1011
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 4: build a Bear.

1012
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 3: I see that you.

1013
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 7: Are American girls, they have now as well, and it's special,

1014
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 7: it's unique, so it's not right, it's only yours.

1015
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 5: Right, So this is how it all connects though, because

1016
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 5: you're probably like, well, who cares that her cousin had

1017
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 5: a build a Bear certificate dated October or April twenty first, right, Well,

1018
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 5: the reason it's significant is that David posted a TikTok

1019
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: video the same day at a rollercoaster, likely the same

1020
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 5: Six Flags location that the as the builder Bear.

1021
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 6: Oh, they do have that at the six Flags.

1022
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: They do that six Flags where that the bear exists.

1023
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: Yes, so the cousin of Celeste was with David and

1024
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 5: Celeste at six Flags after Celeste was reported missing.

1025
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

1026
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 6: It does?

1027
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: But is that surprising? Particularly so we.

1028
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 2: Know she ran away, we know she was with him,

1029
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: we know he was found in her vehicle.

1030
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 5: Her family, her family reported her missing April fifth. She's

1031
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 5: with her cousin, her family, her cousin, not her cousins in.

1032
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 4: Her cousin are we all on the safe page.

1033
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, totally.

1034
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 5: So Steve Fisher again, he's the private investigator. He was

1035
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 5: hired by the owner of the Hollywood Hills home that

1036
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 5: David had been renting. He believed Celeste and Esmeralda, the cousin,

1037
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 5: and David were all at the same amusement park together

1038
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 5: after Celeste went missing. Evidence suggests that adults may have

1039
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 5: been present and aware of celest whereabouts, but did not

1040
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: notify authorities.

1041
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 6: No, yeah, no, yes, she's fourteen years old.

1042
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: I want to always say shame anybody's family or anybody

1043
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: who's in lass, but that is not okay, if.

1044
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 7: And NPS was thirteen at the time, she was thirteen

1045
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 7: at the time, correct.

1046
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: Now, and if I'm remembering this correctly, you know, one

1047
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: of the incidents, of which there were many, was that

1048
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: neighbors had reported Celeste having an argument with family outside

1049
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: of her house.

1050
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Speaker 3: That was an incident.

1051
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: I think authorities were called to that, so she had

1052
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 2: had to repeat behavior at home. Obviously she ran away

1053
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: so or went missing, right, But there's a real big

1054
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: difference between running away and being taken right, So I

1055
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: guess that's the that's the crossroads. I always assumed she

1056
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: ran away. Maybe mom was, you know, and brother they

1057
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: were all missing her dearly, of course they are, and

1058
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: you know, there had been reports that they kind of

1059
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: knew where she was, that she was with this you know,

1060
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: pop star, whether they were just friends or or more.

1061
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: By the way, if it's or more, that's also statutory

1062
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: rape and illegal. But we're not making those accusations. And

1063
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: of course, you know, David, the pop star whose concert

1064
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: was canceled world tour was world tour Gonzo. He also

1065
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: has not been named in any of this, nor have

1066
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: I ever seen him do any press or speak nothing.

1067
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever really seen a visual of

1068
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: him since his you know concert being canceled.

1069
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: No, soh Lapd.

1070
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 5: Just as an update, Lapd states that her body may

1071
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 5: have been in the Tesla for several weeks before the discovery,

1072
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 5: and we're still waiting for these talks results and this

1073
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 5: may clarify a time frame, manner and cause of her death.

1074
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 5: She has been laid to rest by her family after

1075
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 5: her remains were found, and David is cooperating with the police.

1076
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 5: He canceled, as you noted, he canceled the remainder of

1077
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 5: his tour but he's not been named as a suspect,

1078
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 5: and the case remains open, with the LAPD emphasizing the

1079
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: need for further investigation before determining any criminal criminal culpability.

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00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: So is it possible, like just like going with me

1081
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: on it. I'm just theorizing right now, person's theory. Is

1082
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: it possible that she was running from something? Again, no accusations,

1083
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: if she was running away, and maybe David the pop

1084
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: star was who maybe has a little arrested development as well.

1085
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: You know, he's been a star. He was like a

1086
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: COVID kid apparently. I think he dropped out of school

1087
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: soon thereafter and was homeschooled, So maybe he has a

1088
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: little of that's arrested development in that regard because he

1089
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: hasn't been as socialized. And then he knows that maybe

1090
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: Celeste appears to be in a scenario that might not

1091
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: be good for her at home fill in the blank

1092
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 2: whatever that means. And he was like a safe place

1093
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: for her to run to. Maybe she had nowhere to go.

1094
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: Maybe if my cousin is there.

1095
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 7: Too well, And I I was making the assumption that

1096
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 7: the cousin, as Marelda was her age was Celeste's age,

1097
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 7: but she in fact, was a grown adult. Correct, So

1098
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 7: that hadn't sunk in when I was hearing cousin. So yeah,

1099
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Speaker 7: she was indeed an adult. And yeah, that's crazy. This

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00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 7: is why hands out like a thing.

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00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 5: Like if she was maybe younger or something, it might

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00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 5: not be such a feel.

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Speaker 6: But she's an adult.

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Speaker 7: And also she must be I would imagine, incredibly close

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00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 7: to the family, as she's the one at least looking

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00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 7: at the GoFundMe, she's the one who actually posted on

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00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 7: behalf of the family.

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Speaker 9: Stop.

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00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm seeing in.

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Speaker 7: This moment that the donations are paused on that go

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Speaker 7: fund me. I don't know, stop when that happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, if this, you know, maybe this

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00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: does speak to it, if this has you know, if

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00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: it bears out that this beautiful fourteen year old young

1115
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: woman was found decomposing in the trunk of this man's car,

1116
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: the pop star David, and he had nothing to do

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00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: with it. This was just you know, maybe maybe he

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00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: went on tour and you know the rest of the

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Speaker 2: crew stayed at home and you know, maybe her family

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Speaker 2: allegedly this is nothing even alleged. This is just we're

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00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: just theorizing right now. Maybe people maybe everybody knew where

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00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: she was. She wasn't really missing. Maybe she was just

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00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: not home, right, That's a very big difference.

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Speaker 5: But you would think that at that point, if you

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Speaker 5: know where she's at, you know that she's safe and whatever,

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00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 5: you would call the police and be like, she's not

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00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 5: missing anymore.

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Speaker 2: But she had also been taken from David the pop

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00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: stars residence once before, because this had actually happened before too,

1130
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: and they knew where she was and they brought her home,

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00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: and then this happened yet again. It may be young love,

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00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: like maybe she's just crazy for this pop star. It

1133
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: just keeps running away from home to be with him.

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Speaker 5: Remember David's friends thought, you know, she was a student

1135
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 5: at USC and that they said that she was shy,

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00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 5: But it did appear that her and David were in

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00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 5: a romantic relationship. So I do think that this was

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00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 5: a little bit more than like a big brother trying

1139
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 5: to take care of a wayward girl. I do think

1140
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 5: there was a romance going on.

1141
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: Not to mention his video, it's all coming back to

1142
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: me in terms of the video that actually has you know,

1143
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 2: the implication of murder and his song lyrics doesn't really

1144
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: help the cause I just feel very confused by it.

1145
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 7: I know, well, we will keep everyone updated as information unfold,

1146
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 7: and it has been coming out in drips and drabs.

1147
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 7: But this is, you know, some information, and this is

1148
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 7: true crime tonight. I'm Courtney, I'm here with Body, I'm

1149
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 7: here with Stephanie. We have been speaking about Celeste Weaves,

1150
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 7: Hernandez and Body.

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00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 6: You have an update on God's Misfits.

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00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they had court and Tad Cullum, who is

1153
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 5: one of the suspects. He's one of the God's Misfits,

1154
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 5: and Cole Twombly, who's also a God's misfit in one

1155
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 5: of the suspects. They pled not guilty to the murders

1156
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 5: of Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly. Their trials are scheduled

1157
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 5: for June and October of twenty twenty six, so in

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00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 5: about seven months it'll start. Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly

1159
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 5: disappeared in March over Easter weekend in twenty twenty four

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00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 5: while traveling to Oklahoma. Their bodies were later discovered in

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00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 5: a freezer buried under this concrete slab in Texas County

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 5: in the Oklahoma Multiple defendants, including Tag Colum and Cole Twombley,

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00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 5: who I just mentioned, as well as Tiffany Adams, Cora Twombley,

1164
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 5: and Paul Grice have been charged in connection with these killings,

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00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 5: which authorities say were linked to a custody dispute.

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00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 6: That was a lot to get out. It's a mental case.

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00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: Though there are really gruesome details about it.

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00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 5: There is something for it. Yeah, there is some gruesome details.

1169
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 5: But I kind of wanted to get into their pleas.

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00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 6: A little bit.

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00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 5: So Tag Cullum, he's he's one of the accused. Again,

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00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 5: he formally pled not guilty. Cole Twombly remained silent and

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00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 5: the court had to enter a plea for him. And

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Speaker 5: I kind of wanted to talk about this because God's

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00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 5: Misfits one of their tenants. This is kind of like

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00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 5: a religious organ well, I'm going to say loose community

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00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 5: like group. Let's say who there's They have a lot

1178
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 5: of sovereign citizen beliefs and a lot of cute annon beliefs.

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00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, when I read that Cole stood silent,

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00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 5: it triggered me a little bit because this is something

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00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 5: that sovereign citizens do.

1182
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: They will stand.

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00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 5: They'll often base this on some sort of pseudo legal

1184
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 5: interpretation of what they believe the law is. Okay, they'll

1185
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 5: refuse to enter plea at all. They'll either remain completely silent.

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00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 5: They'll say something like I don't consent to these proceedings,

1187
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 5: or argue that the court doesn't have any jurisdiction over them.

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00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 5: When this happens, the judg and as we know Brian

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00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 5: Cooberger did not, he stood scientific, he didn't enter a plea.

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Speaker 4: That's right, he stood silent. AnyWho.

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00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 5: So when this happened, the judge, as required by law,

1192
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 5: simply enters a not guilty plea on their breath. And

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 5: that's in Oklahoma and pretty much every other state. So,

1194
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 5: but what sovereign citizens believe is that this is going

1195
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 5: to somehow stop the proceedings because the court doesn't have

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 5: any jurisdiction over them. They believe they are sovereign individuals

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00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 5: not subject to any federal or state law. Courts only

1198
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 5: have jurisdiction over corporate or fictional versions of them, which

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00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 5: they refer to as strawman and refusing to consent or

1200
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 5: enter into contract with the court keeps them outside of

1201
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 5: the system, which of course is not true. But this

1202
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 5: is their belief. Okay, So him standing silent. I think

1203
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 5: is much different than Brian Koberger. It's more tied to

1204
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 5: the sovereign citizen movement, which they're all a part of.

1205
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 5: It's very interesting the sovereign citizens are.

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 6: It's so I really.

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00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 7: Want to read a book on this or read a

1208
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 7: bunch of articles because it's.

1209
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 5: So fascinating if you want to see them in action.

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00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 5: I cannot recommend enough to please watch.

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 4: The Daryl Brooks trial. Darryl Brooks is the man convicted

1212
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 4: now that ran his truck in that Christmas parade.

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Speaker 5: I think it was in Wisconsin or Minnesota, that's right, Yes,

1214
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 5: do you remember this?

1215
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 10: Yes?

1216
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: It was I want to say Minnesota, Yeah I do.

1217
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1218
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 5: And when many died, many died, right, And he's a

1219
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 5: sovereign and his trial was televised, and he did so

1220
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 5: many sovereign citizens stunts throughout his case in the trial.

1221
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 5: And this judge, she's like a saint, you guys, this

1222
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 5: judge is a saint. He's yelling at her, he's degrading her,

1223
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 5: he's building forts out of banker boxes and hiding behind them.

1224
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 5: And I mean, it's crazy the things that they believe

1225
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 5: are true. They really believe that they are not part

1226
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 5: of the system, and that the court doesn't have any

1227
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 5: jurisdiction over them. And the Daryl Brooks Brooks trial is

1228
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 5: on full display of the sovereign citizen movement.

1229
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can take the life of somebody who's not

1230
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: one of your fellow sovereign citizens and therefore not have

1231
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: to pay for it.

1232
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: That's where it gets a little wonky.

1233
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: You can believe whatever you want, but when you maul

1234
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: down other individuals not on sovereign land.

1235
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: Hey, guess what, there's a price to pay and you

1236
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: have to right the end.

1237
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 5: So it was Wisconsin, it was praise, and it was

1238
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one. But yeah, if you're interested in the

1239
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 5: sovereign citis movement, go on YouTube look for the Darryl

1240
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 5: Brooks trial and watch it.

1241
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 4: It's a couple of days. It's literally fascinating.

1242
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 6: Interesting.

1243
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, what else is fascinating is what's coming up.

1244
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 7: So keaven Scott is here. He's going to expose what's

1245
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 7: really happening behind prison walls, and he says that the

1246
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 7: fight for justice does not end at sentencing.

1247
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 6: Keep it here True Crime tonight. While we are talking

1248
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 6: true crime all the.

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Speaker 2: Time, welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're

1250
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

1251
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and body move in and we just

1252
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: have an extraordinary guest with us now, Kevin Scott.

1253
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 6: Welcome to the show.

1254
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: We are talking all things, you know, prison reform and

1255
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: things that we can be doing to make sure the

1256
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: system is running smoother and better at all costs and time.

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Speaker 2: You're the real deal, so a number one. We're so

1258
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: grateful to have you here, Courtney.

1259
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 7: Drumroll please, Okay, we're so excited to have Kevin Scott here.

1260
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 6: Seriously.

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Speaker 7: Kevin is the director of Guaranteed Income at Community Spring.

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01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 7: This is in Gainesville, Florida. Keaven helped create and he

1263
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 7: leads Just Income. It's a groundbreaking guaranteed income program. It

1264
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 7: is by and four people who've been incarcerated. Kevin is

1265
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 7: also an outspoken advocate for criminal justice issues, prisoner rights,

1266
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 7: and Kevin's work has led to critical policy changes. Drum

1267
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 7: roll again, and hello, tell us everything about Community Spring.

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 17: Okay, amazing, thank you so much for just letting me

1269
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 17: join your conversation.

1270
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 10: That's really awesome.

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 17: Yeah, So Community Spring. We are in Gainesville, Florida. We

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 17: are an economic justice organization. We're a nonprofit that we

1273
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 17: are a community led sort of built on this very

1274
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 17: seemingly obvious idea of people closest to the problems are

1275
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 17: closest to the solution. So prioritizing people lived experience of

1276
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 17: poverty and incarceervation. These are the experts, These are the

1277
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 17: geniuses sort of the thinking. These are the folks that

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01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 17: we should listen to most in terms of how we

1279
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 17: can make change. So we sort of base our work

1280
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 17: on these three principles of income, power, and community, meaning

1281
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 17: we think everyone needs to have income to meet their

1282
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 17: basic needs and take.

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01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 15: Care of themselves.

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01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 17: Shotting power to address and dismantle unjust system systems that

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01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 17: have kept them down in the community, to provide a

1286
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 17: place of action. So these are the three pillars in

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 17: any kind of are three area just income.

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01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 7: Our you know, our full moon is really shine and

1289
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 7: bright on every issue imaginable. I think it's April fools

1290
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 7: in November, which is news to me. Is not going

1291
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 7: to get the best of us Courtney vs. Dry and

1292
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 7: the best of us. Uh, there is no keeping us down.

1293
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 7: The guys are going to work with Kevin's audio for

1294
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 7: a second, and in the meantime, let's go to a

1295
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 7: talk back, Hold on back.

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Speaker 6: Kevin Cricket in Connecticut.

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Speaker 8: You're talking about the nanny who killed the grandfather with

1298
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 8: the screwdriver. And yes, it is one percent possible and

1299
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 8: even plausible that she is experiencing a substance induced psychotic break,

1300
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 8: which is common even with a seemingly innocuous substance such

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Speaker 8: as marijuana, and sometimes it doesn't go away.

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Speaker 10: Mmm.

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Speaker 5: Interesting because remember yesterday we were wondering that can somehow

1304
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 5: this flick a switch right like yeah, on these mushrooms

1305
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 5: that she that she had taken. What's interesting has come

1306
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 5: out today is that she was on a FaceTime call

1307
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 5: with her boyfriend right before this happened. Oh yeah, so

1308
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 5: she met this guy on TikTok. He lives in Oregon,

1309
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 5: and she's planning on leaving Michigan and going to Oregon,

1310
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 5: and they're face timing and you know, they finally they

1311
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 5: were going to meet in person. When she moves out there,

1312
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Speaker 5: it gets crazy. And she told them she wanted to

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Speaker 5: start a new life far away from this long string

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 5: of trauma, abuse and disappointments that she had been facing

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Speaker 5: in Michigan. So this is all news. This is all

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01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 5: very much news, and we're probably going to stick with

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01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 5: us because we're probably going to cover this next week.

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 5: There's a lot more.

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there is, and it seems to be unfolding

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01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. As a matter of fact, we might even

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01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: have another talk back to go to now.

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Speaker 18: Hi, guys, Jephanie from Detroit, I am hopping on here

1323
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 18: about the nanny killer. I live in the city near

1324
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 18: where this curd and you were talking about mushrooms. In

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01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 18: this area, psilocybin aka magic mushrooms are decriminalized. You can

1326
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 18: go to the store like you can go to a

1327
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 18: dispensary and you can buy mushrooms and pill form for

1328
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 18: micro dosing. You can buy a bag of mushrooms for consuming.

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 18: You can even buy food with it in it. Love you, guys,

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 18: love the show. Thirty seconds is not enough, have a

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01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 18: good night.

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01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 7: That should be whenever our magical merch comes. Thirty seconds

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01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 7: is not enough. That's a great tag, it is.

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01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, so mushrooms. Yeah, she apparently they had

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 5: found some mushrooms on her purse or something, and they

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01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 5: think maybe this is why, you know, but we're gonna.

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: Mean, that's a real snap. I think I know a

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01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: lot of people who have tried mushrooms.

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01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're getting some signals that Kevin's audio is back.

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01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 3: Heven, Yay, Kevin's back, baby.

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01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 6: Go ahead.

1342
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: Where were we until we were so rudely interrupted by

1343
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 2: the moon?

1344
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 4: I don't know, is Kevin? Are you there?

1345
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: Doesn't seem like we could hear Kevin quite yet, but

1346
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm dying to hear what he has to say because

1347
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: I know it's going to be good.

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01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 6: So we're going. I'm so excited. Yes, please lo.

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01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 19: To my favorite girls. I won't say my name, so

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01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 19: this is anonymous, but I'm listening to Tyler talk about

1351
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 19: his hometown stories from last night, and I was reminded

1352
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 19: of a case in my hometown in my high school.

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01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 19: This gal was in my high school class, the case

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01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 19: of Chelsea King and Amber du Bois. One of their

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 19: bodies was found about two minutes from my home, directly

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01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 19: across the street in one of the lakes there, and

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01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 19: it was an extremely scary case.

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 15: You guys should look into that.

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01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 6: Oh, we have to look into that.

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thought though, too, and please keep those

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: talkbacks coming. Thank you for sharing that because how excitingly,

1362
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: horrifyingly traumatic is that to know that there was a

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01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: murder so close to your home. That's the ripple effect,

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01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, we always we talk about the ripple effects

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01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: so often, even if it's a complete stranger.

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01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 6: But you know, you live in.

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01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 2: The apartment building where on the same corner somebody lost

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: their life. It changes the air, right, and it of

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: course it's scary.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: We should definitely look into that, and if anybody else has.

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01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: Tales of that kind, these become like core memories, right,

1373
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: that is undeniable.

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 4: No, yeah, definitely core memories.

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 7: I witness to a well, it was quite a memory

1376
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 7: for me. I had only lived in Los Angeles for

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01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 7: a year, so twenty two is young enough and you're

1378
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 7: living on your own. And I had a new roommate

1379
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 7: and she was the most sweet, naive person you could

1380
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 7: call to your imagination. It was her first day moving in.

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01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 7: So we're there at night, we're so excited. We hear

1382
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 7: all this crazy commotion. We look out the window and

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01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 7: we see a man there shouting, and we see a

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01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 7: man running with a bat in his hand, like, what

1385
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 7: is going on? Well, he was being chased by another

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 7: man who was in his underpants holding a gun. Whose

1387
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 7: house the guy with the bat had come in to

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01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 7: burgle and was, yeah, so.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know.

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01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 7: I that was just thinking, you know, don't bring a

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 7: bat to a gunfight.

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01:07:53,240 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 6: But yeah, nothing's funny to see it. So that's also.

1393
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 7: Scary people running around with guns and weapons, and yeah

1394
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 7: it was.

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01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 6: And it was her first night in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I guess in some ways, I guess that's the

1397
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: news also as witnessing so much. Sometimes the news, even

1398
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 2: right now, is just sharing way too much real stuff,

1399
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 2: you know, the real footage, like the real time.

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm.

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01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 3: Seeing the plane and I'm seeing this.

1402
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: It's I know, the goal is to shock us and

1403
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 2: make us feel emotional, but it's like, what's the line.

1404
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 3: It's almost too much?

1405
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 7: Okay, So I do you believe everything is technically pulled together?

1406
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 4: His voice, I'm not going to believe it, I know,

1407
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 4: but I want it there.

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01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 6: Sound good? Better? Sound good? Hell? Yeah, we hear it.

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01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 6: Sounds great. Yeah you sound awesome.

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01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 4: You were right in the middle of telling us all

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 4: about community ed. Can you can you give us a

1412
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 4: little refresher?

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01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 10: Yeah? The real short version is prison, bad, money, good,

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 10: that's okay, that's a good one. I mean, really, we

1415
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 10: focused at the intersection of poverty and incarceration because we

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 10: know from our own experience many of our staff are

1417
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 10: formally incarcerated, that poverty and incarceration are two systems that

1418
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 10: feed each other very well. And so what we are

1419
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 10: doing is providing resources, dignity, and support and providing an

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 10: exit from this revolving door of poverty and incarceration.

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01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 6: Because if they.

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01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 5: Can break this cycle, right, they can stay out of

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 5: prison and become productive members of society.

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01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 4: That's the point, right, It really really helps.

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01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so we kind of came up with this

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 10: seemingly radical idea of what if we just gave people

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 10: money after they come home from incarceration. And so that's

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01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 10: what I do. That's my role is I'm the director

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01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 10: of this sort of groundbreaking guaranteed income program and happy

1430
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 10: to talk about some of the nuts and bolts and

1431
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 10: the results of how it's been going.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do that.

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 7: We love to year.

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01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 10: Okay. So yeah, well, like I said, like, we're in Florida,

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01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,919
Speaker 10: and if you've heard anything about Florida in the last forever,

1436
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 10: you know it's it's kind of a mess. I am not,

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01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 10: although I am surrounded by Florida men and women. Florida

1438
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 10: is one of the handful of states that prisoners are

1439
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 10: forced to work under threat of violence for exactly zero

1440
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 10: dollars and zero cents. You must work or you will

1441
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 10: be violently visited. And so there's only a handful of

1442
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 10: states that do that, and they are all in the South, surprise, surprise.

1443
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 10: So this is you know, forced labor, no compensation. This

1444
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 10: is slavery under any other So that's the reality that

1445
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 10: folks faces while they're inside. Any money that comes to

1446
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 10: you for a commissary things like that must come from

1447
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 10: the outside, typically from families that can least afford it.

1448
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 10: So you're earning nothing. Your loved ones are going broker

1449
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 10: while you're inside. You are released, typically with fifty dollars

1450
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 10: maybe in Florida fifty bucks, and expected to go go

1451
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 10: build the life you've been released. You might have court costs,

1452
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 10: probation fees, an ankle monitor, drug testing. You must pay

1453
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,440
Speaker 10: those things, and if you cannot make those payments, ultimately

1454
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 10: the solution is to reincarcerate you. Not because of any crime.

1455
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 10: The crime is your bank account. You are too poor

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 10: to be free, and so you are reincarcerated because of

1457
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 10: virtue of your lack of resources. So that was sort

1458
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 10: of the inspiration for our guaranteed Income program. And so

1459
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 10: the way it goes now is we give folks eight

1460
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 10: hundred dollars a month for twelve months. So this is

1461
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 10: not like enough to like coast on. This is just

1462
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 10: enough to give some cushion, some breathing room. We've heard

1463
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 10: people say, like, I don't know what was scarier going

1464
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 10: into prison or coming out. So this is something that's

1465
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 10: like alleviating some of the pressure, some of the fear.

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01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 10: It's expensive to be a human being on the planet

1467
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 10: Earth in twenty twenty five, as you may have noticed,

1468
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 10: just ordinary cost of rent, food, transportation, So imagine you

1469
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 10: have those plus this extra set of debts under fear

1470
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 10: of incarceration. So we've been providing this money. It's a

1471
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 10: random selection. People that came home in the last year

1472
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 10: can basically put their name in a hat. We do

1473
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 10: a lot of redrawn that way. We're not assigning virtue

1474
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 10: to any single person. We think everyone is worthy of

1475
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 10: this support. You are ready to receive this to the

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01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 10: support today as you are. We have given out over

1477
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 10: a million dollars. We've helped over one hundred and fifty

1478
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 10: people in this community. And yeah, I mean it's good.

1479
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 10: And we thought this was a good idea, but we

1480
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 10: didn't want to just have our own opinions be the

1481
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 10: thing that that's good, you know, like some ding dangs

1482
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 10: in Florida saying it's good, it doesn't mean a whole lot.

1483
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 10: So we actually partnered with the University of Pennsylvania Center

1484
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 10: for Guaranteed Income Research and did a full randomized control trial, quantitative, qualitative,

1485
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 10: deep dive analysis, and the results exceeded even what we

1486
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 10: intuited might come from this work. So the pilot year

1487
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 10: recidtism rates, which everyone always wants to know, incarceration, we're

1488
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 10: thirty one percent lower for people that got this money,

1489
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 10: statistically gigantic, huge, And all we did is we gave

1490
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 10: people money and we treated them with the excellence that

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 10: they deserve. So vercissivism went down thirty one percent, that's great.

1492
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 10: Financial security went up people like ninety percent of people

1493
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 10: had less than fifty dollars when we started, just to

1494
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 10: paint a picture of how dire it was. So even

1495
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 10: after getting the money, even six months later, savings still

1496
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 10: way up. Food insecurity went down, mental health went up.

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 10: Employments did not go down. Employment actually got better. So

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01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 10: you know, as a skeptic might say, like, oh, they're

1499
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 10: going to be lazy, that is simply not the reality.

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,520
Speaker 10: People use the money too, and exactly they invested in themselves.

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01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 10: They were able to leave sort of disrespectful, predatory jobs

1502
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 10: and actually get into jobs that were more in line

1503
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 10: with their ambitions, that treated them better. They were able

1504
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 10: to pursue education, things like that. People tend to invest

1505
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 10: in themselves when they have resources, and our folks were

1506
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 10: no different.

1507
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 7: Wow, it's so beautiful and just the it's so dignified.

1508
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 7: I love everything you're talking about. The philosophy of that.

1509
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 7: It's a lottery, like you said, so there isn't some

1510
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 7: hand saying you deserve and you don't. And also just

1511
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 7: the thought of what you're saying with mental health going

1512
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 7: up and having jobs going up, because you're also affording

1513
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 7: a little a little bit of dignity to somebody which

1514
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 7: can allow them then to go out into the world,

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 7: you know, as you said, without fear of being reincarcerated

1516
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 7: because you can't pay for your ankle monitor.

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01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, you get out of prison.

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01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 5: Let's imagine you're you know, you found God or you

1519
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 5: know you want to you know, whatever you spend some time.

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 4: You get out of prison, you get fifty bucks.

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 6: That's it.

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01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 5: That's all you got in your pocket. Where you gonna

1523
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 5: where you're gonna live, Where are you gonna work? Nobody

1524
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 5: wants to hire felons. Like, there's all he's things stacked

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Speaker 5: up against you. I love this program. We'll stick around.

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Speaker 5: Kevin Scott is going to be here to tell us

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Speaker 5: some more powerful stories from inside the justice system.

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Speaker 4: Keep it right here in True Crime Tonight, we're talking

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:11,520
Speaker 4: true crime.

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Speaker 6: All the time. Welcome back to True Crime Tonight.

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01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 7: We're on iHeartRadio and we are talking true crime all

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Speaker 7: the time.

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Speaker 6: I'm Courtney.

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 7: I'm so lucky to be here with Stephanie and body

1535
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 7: move in. Don't forget if you missed any part of

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Speaker 7: the show, you can always catch the podcast. And right

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 7: now we are heading right back in with Kevin Scott.

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 7: He's director of the groundbreaking Guaranteed Income program by and

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 7: for people who've been incarcerated out of Gainesville, Florida.

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01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 6: So, Kevin, how did you start with this?

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 10: Like?

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01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 6: How did this come to me?

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 10: Sure? So A lot of this came from my own

1544
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 10: lived experience with someone who had been incarcerated on somebody

1545
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 10: that came from a family of addicts, And like every

1546
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 10: other person, I swear I will never I will never

1547
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 10: become an addict myself, and oh my god, I became

1548
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 10: an adict myself. And so you know, I should say

1549
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 10: I just celebrated thirteen years clean. Last anyone who anyone

1550
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 10: who may have this struggle in their life, it is

1551
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 10: not over. You are not in prison. Yeah. Yes, I

1552
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 10: was in prison for a little over three years in Florida.

1553
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 10: There's a lot to be said about the realities of

1554
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 10: Florida prison. There is nothing that even resembled transformation or rehabilitation.

1555
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 10: In my experience. It was nothing but brutality from start

1556
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 10: to finish. You know, they might advertise that like we're

1557
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 10: helping change people's lives, and a really quick anecdote is,

1558
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 10: I was I used to be a touring musician, so

1559
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 10: I taught music for a while in there, I gave

1560
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 10: people like music lessons and that was like a really

1561
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 10: rewarding thing for me personally. And then they were like,

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01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,440
Speaker 10: you're now going to be in the cabinet making vocational

1563
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 10: department here at the prison, and I didn't ask her.

1564
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 10: I didn't want it, but they were like you, I

1565
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 10: don't care what you want. You're going because that gives

1566
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 10: us more funding, more you know, more people in the class.

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01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 10: So that's what I did, and when I by the

1568
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 10: time I came home, I had a certificate in cabinet

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 10: making from the Department of Corrections. Greats. However, no one

1570
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 10: ever taught me how to make a cabinet ever, not once,

1571
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 10: not ever. The teacher was the janitor who sold tobacco

1572
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 10: to the prisoners and took naps in his office, a

1573
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 10: lot of smoking mirrors, So like it's sort of funny. However,

1574
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 10: the flip side, the reality is, you know, I'm released

1575
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 10: and now it sort of falls upon me to go

1576
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 10: get a job at a cabinet shop. They can say,

1577
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 10: we did everything to provide this person with the skills A,

1578
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 10: B and C. So you know, very much set up

1579
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 10: for failure. So anything that poses anything positive happened to

1580
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 10: me while I was inside was not with thanks to

1581
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 10: the Department of Corrections. It was in spite of and

1582
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 10: so support came from my loved ones, from other prisoners,

1583
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 10: from their loved ones. So Yeah, the reality is of

1584
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 10: Porter prison is brutal. If you complain too much, they

1585
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 10: will drag you into the laundry room. Because there's no cameras,

1586
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 10: they'll beat the hell out of you in there. You know,

1587
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 10: this is a very common reality inside it. It's famously brutal,

1588
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 10: and it lives up to the reputation. So I came home.

1589
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 10: I had been in no way prepared to come home.

1590
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 10: I slept in the parking lot of a homeless shelter

1591
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 10: here in Gainesville, and ironically, painfully, our local homeless shelter

1592
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 10: is an old prison retrofitted to be a homeless shelter.

1593
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 10: It's a great organization, is a very lovely organization. However,

1594
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 10: if you've been in prison, you know exactly where you are.

1595
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 10: You are at it. You can tell it's recognizable as

1596
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 10: a person, and so you know, I was. I was

1597
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 10: homeless for a while. It was really hard to find

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 10: a job, hard to find a place to live. It

1599
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 10: was only through really the goodness and mercy of people

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01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 10: who cared enough to give me a shot. Then I

1601
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 10: got a job at like a restaurant. I found the

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01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 10: found somebody that ever rent to me. It took a

1603
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 10: while and so it shouldn't hinge on chance like that.

1604
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:28,440
Speaker 10: So when I had the opportunity to join the Fellowship

1605
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 10: of Community Spring, they were looking for people who had

1606
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 10: experienced poverty before. They took a chance on me, which

1607
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 10: I'm so grateful for, and that sort of led to

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01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 10: us formulating this program now where we provide this guarented

1609
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 10: income for folks coming home. It's a huge part of

1610
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 10: what we do. We also have this like fellowship where

1611
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 10: we continue to hire people who have lived experience of incarceration.

1612
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 10: They can get skills, they learn how to do advocacy.

1613
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,919
Speaker 10: It's sort of this sort of leadership development a situation

1614
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 10: that we have going on there. Alongside getting people money,

1615
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 10: We've been able to celebrate some really big policy lens

1616
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 10: here as well. The guaranteed income is supporting individuals. However,

1617
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 10: we need to reshape the system. So we passed Florida's

1618
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 10: first and still only fair Chance Hiring ordinance for employers

1619
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 10: here in Gainesville, Florida, which means that people with a

1620
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 10: record have a higher likelihood of getting a job. We

1621
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 10: were able to eliminate fifteen discretionary court and jail fees

1622
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 10: that kept money in the community, phone calls are now

1623
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 10: free from the county jail, which is absolutely massive because

1624
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 10: those calls are extraordinarily expensive, And then we were able

1625
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 10: to sort of form the or provide the inspiration for

1626
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 10: this counties first ever, we've never had a re entry

1627
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 10: center at all, and there's no re entry support and

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01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 10: that organization is led in staffed by formally incarcerated people,

1629
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 10: some of them our alumni. So a lot of this

1630
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 10: work is driven by our own lived ex experience of

1631
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 10: what we know of incarceration and the very difficult realities

1632
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 10: of coming out, and a lot of what we've done

1633
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 10: has been so impactful and so real, I think just

1634
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 10: you know, rooted in community, rooted and lived experience that

1635
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 10: we are now seen as like a blueprint as a

1636
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 10: model for success that can be rolled out in other

1637
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 10: places and be consulted with over forty cities around the

1638
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 10: country who are either in planning phases or some who

1639
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 10: have already launched their own similar programs customized to their communities.

1640
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 10: But what's happened here in Gainesville, Florida, of all places,

1641
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 10: Florida has now become like, yeah, a bit of like

1642
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 10: a methodology or an approach, a way of doing things.

1643
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 10: We're excited to see that's been implemented and very successful

1644
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 10: around the country, and it's connected us with this sort

1645
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 10: of other coalition of folks who are working on similar issues.

1646
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 10: So it's the privilege of my life. You know, I

1647
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 10: love it. You can I can see it, thinking I'm

1648
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 10: never going to make it out of here, So to

1649
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 10: be doing what I'm doing now and to seeing the

1650
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 10: impact of all the things that we do really feel

1651
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 10: surreal at times.

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01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can see it in your face that you're

1653
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 4: passionate about this.

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01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 5: I mean, you just spoke for about five minutes and

1655
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 5: everything you hit on no please, oh my god.

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01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 6: This is a talk show.

1657
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 5: The right and the reason it's so important too for

1658
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 5: like people listening that you might be thinking, oh, you

1659
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 5: know why I don't care about prisoners, and you should.

1660
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 5: And the reason you should is you're listening to a

1661
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 5: true crime show. And you know, we talk about people

1662
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 5: who do really bad things and when they go to prison,

1663
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 5: it's not just for punishment. It's supposed to be for rehabilitation.

1664
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 5: And when they get out and they fail after fail

1665
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 5: after fail, they might commit another violent crime to get money,

1666
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 5: or to get whatever drug they need, or or just

1667
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 5: to go back to prison where they're going to get

1668
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 5: through hots and a cop. So if we can help

1669
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 5: them stay on straight and narrow, so to speak, it

1670
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 5: benefits society as a whole. Right, that's the whole spirit

1671
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 5: of this. Am I right about that? Or am I

1672
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 5: like off track?

1673
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 6: Kevin?

1674
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 10: No, No, you're I mean yes, people, the very very

1675
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 10: the vast majority of people, that ninety five percent plus

1676
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 10: easily of people are coming home. They're coming home whether

1677
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,480
Speaker 10: we no matter what, folks are going to be releasing thecarceervation.

1678
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 10: So it's up to us as a community to decide

1679
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 10: they will be released with instability, which we know leads

1680
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 10: to more harm for sure, like there's so much evidence

1681
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 10: for that, or we can provide some stability. So the

1682
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 10: way we look at this metaphor of people are released

1683
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 10: from prison, they are dropped at like the very edge

1684
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 10: of a cliff precarious from second number one, we can

1685
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 10: shove them off and keep sending emergency services to the

1686
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 10: bottom at our own expense in every possible sense, or

1687
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 10: we could build a sturdy fence at the edge of

1688
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 10: that cliff. And a huge component of that is access

1689
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 10: to resources, community support, dignity, treating people like people, and

1690
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 10: that pays dividends that costs less in the long run

1691
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 10: and the short term, fiscally, socially, in every way, the

1692
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 10: return on investment for just providing people with resources without conditions.

1693
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 10: When I say that our money that we give to

1694
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 10: people is no strings attached, I mean literally no strings attached.

1695
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 10: No one tells you what you can and cannot spend

1696
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 10: this money on. It is up to you. We think

1697
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 10: that is very important that you are seen as the

1698
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 10: expert in your own life. You are honored as a person,

1699
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 10: whole person, one hundred percent. And a lot of people

1700
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 10: have said, you know, great, This money allowed me to

1701
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 10: purchase X y Z, which allowed me to like whatever

1702
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 10: it may be. However, the thing that has had the

1703
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 10: lasting ripple effect on me is that I was treated

1704
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 10: like a person for the first time and maybe a

1705
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 10: long time or ever. We used the word re entry.

1706
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 10: That's how we talk about somebody returning home from incarceration.

1707
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 10: Some people have been like re entry. How about just

1708
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 10: some entry for the first time ever in my life.

1709
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 10: This is the first time I ever had any sort

1710
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 10: of like breathing room. This is the first time I

1711
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 10: had a chance, The first time somebody treated me like

1712
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 10: a whole person, and so that we we think that's

1713
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 10: very important that it's providing practical and emotional support for people.

1714
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 10: It's a real space of healing as well.

1715
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 5: You've mentioned this re entry center that your organization was

1716
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 5: able to help implement.

1717
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 6: What is that.

1718
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is sort of a partner organization here.

1719
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 10: But because of all the work we had been doing,

1720
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 10: we'd been illuminating the need. We need support, we need support.

1721
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 10: We've never had re entry services here, and so finally

1722
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 10: the county, I guess a year and a half ago,

1723
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 10: two years ago, decided to put some funds into actually

1724
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 10: we actually have a re entry center. And so the

1725
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 10: group that now is that center is a nonprofit called

1726
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 10: Release re Entry here in Gamesville, Florida, and it is

1727
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 10: staffed and led by formerly incarcerated people as well, and

1728
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 10: they provide like, you know, free mental health counseling. I

1729
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 10: think you get like twelve free appointments, which is a

1730
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 10: huge deal. Can help you get like bus passes, clothing

1731
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 10: rental assistance, a computer lab, peer support, all the things

1732
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 10: very much based on like evidence based practices that have

1733
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 10: been proven to help people come home from incarceration. Wow,

1734
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:37,839
Speaker 10: that's awesome.

1735
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's really cool, and it's something that community needs.

1736
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 6: Right.

1737
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 5: It's kind of like a community center for re entry, right,

1738
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's exactly what it sounds like.

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Speaker 6: I guess, yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean, And so you know, it's very much sort

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01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 10: of like you would see like in a twelve step program,

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01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 10: Like that's sort of like the unparalleled value of people

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01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 10: with similar experiences supporting each other. And it's just sort

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01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 10: of being applied into a space of people coming home

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01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 10: from incarceration and it's working. But we've done here. It works.

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01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 10: The evidence shows supporting people.

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01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 2: Works, and it gives everybody hope. You know, even in

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01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: the darkness of days, there's still some hope. Right, So

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01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 2: you know, listen, the other side to that, the chatter

1750
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 2: is always, well, what about the victims and what about this?

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01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 3: We are all in it together.

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01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: It's a community, right, So you know, manned down in

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01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 2: any category affects all of us. So the work you're

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01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: doing is is really tremendous because you know, the systems

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01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 2: that built to people to set up for.

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Speaker 5: Success, right, you're one hundred percent right, Stephanie, Like they

1757
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 5: want you to go back to prison. It's financially beneficial

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01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 5: it's during the break. It's big business to have people incarcerated, right,

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01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 5: that's correct, And.

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Speaker 7: Kevin, I'm on, I'm actually I'm looking on the website

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01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 7: right now, and you mentioned that you guys got fees eliminated,

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Speaker 7: and I just can't imagine what a big deal that

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01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 7: would be like just looking at this. In twenty twenty three,

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01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 7: roughly fifteen jail and court service fees were eliminated. Four

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01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 7: dollars a day subsidence fee in jail, a five dollars

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01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 7: day electronic monitoring fee for people on pre trial release,

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01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 7: and twenty dollars a week to participate for drug court.

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01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 6: You have to pay all of these things.

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01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 7: You're mandated to pay them or be returned to prison

1770
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:38,959
Speaker 7: or were.

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01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right, yep, yeah. Ultimately, this solution is to

1772
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 10: put you into a cage and only exacerbate those problems

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01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:46,799
Speaker 10: the next time you're released.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 5: So pre trial would mean they get arrested, they get

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01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 5: their trial set, they get out on bond, they have

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01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 5: to wear an ankle monitor while they're wait for pre trials,

1778
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 5: so they haven't even been convicted yet, and they get

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01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 5: this bary more few forms instance right now, right, Barry

1780
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,879
Speaker 5: Murphy's out, he's out on bond, he's wearing an ankle bracelet.

1781
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 5: He's going to have to pay X number of dollars

1782
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 5: per day to monitor his whereabouts, right, And this is

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01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 5: one of the fees that they've eliminated in Gainesville.

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01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 10: W Yeah, just between the phone calls and the fines

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01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 10: and fees that we've eliminated, it has kept millions of

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01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 10: dollars in the community, typically from communities that can least

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01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 10: afford to lose more money. So it's actually been like

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01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 10: a huge, huge boost for the entire.

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01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 5: Community, right because, like you know, four dollars a day

1790
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 5: doesn't seem like a lot of money to people who

1791
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,759
Speaker 5: have money, right, But if you only have eight hundred

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01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 5: dollars a month period, four dollars a day adds up quick.

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01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 4: That's a big chunk of money for people.

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01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 6: You guys have done so so much good.

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01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 7: It's I think we're all having a hard time digesting it, honestly,

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01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 7: but Kevin, we just really so sincerely want to thank

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01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 7: you for joining us and for all the incredible work

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01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 7: you and the OKA Organization does. The Just Income program.

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01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 7: As a reminder, it is a privately funded and that's

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Speaker 7: to maintain independence. It is currently accepting donations for a

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01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 7: fourth round of recipients, and anyone who is interested and

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01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 7: able to support financially or to learn more about just

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01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 7: income can visit at Community Spring on Instagram or visit

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01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 7: csg n V dot org. Kevin, you're so rock star. Yeah, seriously,

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01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 7: I think that was making the world better. Thank you,

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01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 7: Thank you, sybody.

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Speaker 6: We'll be back on Sunday.

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01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 2: We are not here tomorrow, but we will be here

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01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 2: on Sunday for Scientific Sunday.

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Speaker 6: Stay safe, everybody, and have a wonderful night.