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Speaker 1: I get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth podcast. The Luck Be a Lady. Tonight addition,

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Speaker 1: as the Bengals head to Las Vegas and hope to

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Speaker 1: Raiders coming up, I'll preview the game with one of

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Speaker 1: the guys who will be in the booth for CBS

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, Charles Davis. Among other things, he'll explain why

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Speaker 1: his twenty three year old son was so excited to

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Speaker 1: hear that his dad is doing a Bengals game this weekend.

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Speaker 1: My one on one player interview is with punter Kevin Hubert,

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Speaker 1: who will reach a milestone on Sunday that only two

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Speaker 1: other players have reached in team history. Dave Lapham joins

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Speaker 1: me to discuss the latest Bengals news, including why Hakimadnagi

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Speaker 1: is starting in place of Jackson Carmen at right guard,

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Speaker 1: and finally, it's our no the faux segment as we

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Speaker 1: since the tradition of radio announcers getting in trouble for

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Speaker 1: criticizing officials. In nineteen eighty eight, Marty Brenneman and Joe

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Speaker 1: umpire Dave Polone. In two thousand and three, my color

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Speaker 1: commentator on UC basketball games, the late grade Chuck Mayshock,

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Speaker 1: final four hundred forty six games of Chuck's broadcasting career.

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Speaker 1: And this week, the Texas Tech football announcers have been

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Speaker 1: suspended from Saturday's game against Oklahoma State for ripping the

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Speaker 1: officials last week in a win over Iowa State. Did

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Speaker 1: Brian Jensen and his analyst John Harris go too far? Yeah? Probably,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure they regret it, but let me add this,

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Speaker 1: their call of Texas Techs sixty two yard walk off

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Speaker 1: field goal to win that game was fantastic. Now let's

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Speaker 1: get to my guests, beginning with one of the top

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Speaker 1: TV analysts in the NFL, Charles Davis, will be in

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Speaker 1: the booth with Ian Eagle this Sunday for CBS and Charles.

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Speaker 1: You guys had the Browns Patriots game last week. Cleveland

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Speaker 1: lost by thirty eight. One week after a great showing

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Speaker 1: Steelers tied the winless Lions. Can you explain the AFC

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Speaker 1: North to us Dan? I can't explain the FC North.

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Speaker 1: I can't explain the AFC South. I can't explain the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because as I was watching the

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Speaker 1: and didn't expect that at all. I expected the Raiders

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Speaker 1: all know that the troubles they've been through. But at

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Speaker 1: now Kansas City's back in control. In the AFC North,

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Speaker 1: every time there's a chance for someone to really take

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Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to seeing on the Cincinnati team. Well,

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Speaker 1: Find ways to get them the football. What's the old expression, Dan,

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Speaker 1: You don't always just call plays. You you call things

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Speaker 1: that matchup it takes place. You will have to show

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Speaker 1: different when he kicks? Yeah. I mean he's got an

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Speaker 1: explosiveness that I've really never experienced. You know, you kind

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Speaker 1: of see it. I've gotten to the clothes I can

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Speaker 1: say is you know when we play against Tucker and Multimore,

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Speaker 1: you know, the ball kind of comes off very similar.

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Speaker 1: And I think Evan's had a great job. He's got

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Speaker 1: a great you know, mental part of it. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's very knowledgeal about the position and he knows

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Speaker 1: right away, you know, if he missed a kick what

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Speaker 1: he did, and he does a great job of justining.

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Speaker 1: He listens really well to Darren and um. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: got a great future out of him. Clark Harris is

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, you're thirty six. Evan McPherson is twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Has it been fun to have a young kid in

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Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, he definite. He keeps us young. Well,

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Speaker 1: we asked him a lot of time when some old

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Speaker 1: songs come on the radio if he knows who they are,

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Speaker 1: and he has no idea, So we have some fun

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Speaker 1: with that. At the same time, you know, he likes

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Speaker 1: to poke and brought us a little bit for being

445
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Speaker 1: the old guy. So it's been a fun mix and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know we've meshed really well. Our personalities are you know, different,

447
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Speaker 1: but also very similar. So it's it's uh, it's been

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Speaker 1: a nice, nice season so far. Just we've really meshed well.

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Speaker 1: And uh, um it's been it's been a good run

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Speaker 1: so far. He told me a great story. He said,

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Speaker 1: you took him golfing and the guy in charge of

452
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Speaker 1: the carts asked if he was your son? Can you

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Speaker 1: confirm yeah, it was. I think I think it's actually

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Speaker 1: what I asked me. It fills my son, so uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, it's just one of those things.

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Speaker 1: I've been asked more times this year bye bye, because

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Speaker 1: we've had a lot of new faces in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: So I've been asked if I'm the coach several times. Um,

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Speaker 1: a couple of the players, girl from the Wise, asks

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Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm a coach, and um, So it's

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Speaker 1: just just nature the business. You get old and you

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Speaker 1: looked at the older. I mean it's you know, the

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Speaker 1: locker room keeps staying young and I keep getting older.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's just it's Bound to Happen thirty six

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Speaker 1: as a kid in my book, trusts Me. A couple

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Speaker 1: more questions for Kevin Huber. The Bengals went to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs in six of your first seven seasons, you haven't

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Speaker 1: been back in the last five. How much are you

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Speaker 1: enjoying being back in the hunt this year? And does

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Speaker 1: anything stand out about this group? I mean, first off,

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Speaker 1: it's great to be back. You know, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's tough when you're losing games. It's tough to stay focused.

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Speaker 1: It's tough to you know, keep remembering that, like this

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Speaker 1: is your job and you have to perform, and and

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Speaker 1: it's it become it's freshrating because it becomes almost a

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Speaker 1: selfish mentality when you're losing, because you're like a right,

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Speaker 1: like I look out for myself and to make sure

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Speaker 1: I'm performing well for myself. Or now it's you're winning

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Speaker 1: games and you want to do well to help win

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Speaker 1: more games. And it's just more fun because the locker room,

481
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Speaker 1: just the mentality is better. Everyone's more excited. Um, everyone's

482
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Speaker 1: helping everybody out because they see it, they see that

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Speaker 1: you know where this team can go. And it's just

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Speaker 1: a lot more fun. And with this group, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a really good group. It's probably one of

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Speaker 1: the best group as far as locker room presence and

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Speaker 1: um personalities that we've ever had. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing I think I've said this in a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of interviews this year, is you know,

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Speaker 1: the the egos are not there. You don't you don't

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Speaker 1: have the you know, you don't have the guys that

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Speaker 1: are that might be pulling away from what the rest

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Speaker 1: of the group wants to do um and kind of

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Speaker 1: create that that bad that bad juju if you will.

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Speaker 1: You know, everyone locker room right now just wants to win.

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Speaker 1: They want to win. They want to do it for

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Speaker 1: each other, and you know, that's that's all they want

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Speaker 1: to do. Last thing, your last year, you see, was

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and the program reached a point

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Speaker 1: that they had never reached before when you guys went

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Speaker 1: to the Orange Bowl, the first time Cincinnatie played in

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Speaker 1: the Bowl of that magnitude. Now you see his ranked

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Speaker 1: third in the country. They've got a legitimate chance of

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Speaker 1: going to the four team playoff. How exciting is that

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Speaker 1: for you? I mean, it's pretty cool, especially still being

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, so I can, you know, really be in it,

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Speaker 1: and I get to see all the media every day

508
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Speaker 1: talking about it. I've gotten a chance to go to

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Speaker 1: a couple of games, and then I got a chance

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Speaker 1: to go check out the game day experience, which is

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Speaker 1: the pretty awesome. They did a great job of that

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Speaker 1: and just seeing how you know, you know the fact

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Speaker 1: that we didn't you know, just completely do what typically

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Speaker 1: happens and programs like this or as you you have

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Speaker 1: some success, then you just drop off, you know, worre

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Speaker 1: sustaining success. And I think coach fickles on a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: job of just recruiting and getting guys in and getting

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Speaker 1: guys to buy in and just seeing you know, how

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Speaker 1: well they're playing and how consistent they're playing. It's just

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Speaker 1: really fun to watch. And I can, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more in the locker room with

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Speaker 1: with how weather they're playing. And your name is on

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Speaker 1: the stadium wall is when the greatest Bearcats of them all.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on two hundred regular season NFL games. It's phenomenal

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Speaker 1: milestone and I hope there are many many more to come.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Ton, Thanks, I really appreciate it. Kevin

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Speaker 1: obviously wants to keep playing beyond this year, and at

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Speaker 1: age thirty six, he is not the oldest punter in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Baltimore Sam Cook and Arizona's Andy Lee are

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Speaker 1: both thirty nine. The Bengals Booth podcast is presented by

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Speaker 1: the app stores now. Now time for my midweek chat

536
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Speaker 1: with my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham lap Sunday's game is

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Speaker 1: not a must win for the Bengals. If they lose

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Speaker 1: to the Raiders and then win, they're five remaining home games,

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00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: that alone would make them ten and seven and give

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Speaker 1: them a decent chance of going to the playoffs. But

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Speaker 1: I was looking at one of these playoffs simulators earlier today.

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00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Right now, they supposedly have a thirty eight percent chance

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Speaker 1: of making the playoffs if they went on Sunday. It

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Speaker 1: jumps to fifty five percent if they went on Sunday

545
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Speaker 1: and then beat the Steelers at home. The next week

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Speaker 1: it jumps to sixty nine percent. So again it's not

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Speaker 1: a must win, but a win would really help. It's important,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think it's an important football game. And

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Speaker 1: you look at it, there's a lot of similarities. Both

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Speaker 1: teams have lost two in a row, Bengals obviously separated

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Speaker 1: by the you know, after the bye, and both teams

552
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: coming off a blog by division rival. So who's going

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Speaker 1: to be able to get up off the mat, you know?

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Speaker 1: And does have the bye week? Does the bye week

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Speaker 1: allow you to get over it? Or do you stew

556
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: in it? And it becomes more of an issue again,

557
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: sports psychologists have a field day, you know. Sometimes a

558
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: lot of people say, when you lay an egg, you know,

559
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Speaker 1: like the Raiders laid the egg, the best thing to

560
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: do is get right back to work the following Monday

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Speaker 1: and put that aside. And all the Bengals weren't in

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Speaker 1: that situation. They laid an egg and an effected, infested

563
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: and fostered itself or whatever. So it's it's it's going

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Speaker 1: to be interesting to see who comes out. And I

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Speaker 1: think we've talked about it just about ad nausium every week.

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Speaker 1: A fast start, I think a fast start, and this

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Speaker 1: one's big because the team that starts out quickly maybe

568
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Speaker 1: has gotten over it a little bit faster, and and

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Speaker 1: that'll help them get over and be tougher to get

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Speaker 1: off the mat if you have to overcome a two

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Speaker 1: score deficit or something like that. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: going to be an interesting thing to watch. And you

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Speaker 1: look at the Raiders their first two games of the season.

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Speaker 1: They beat the Ravens, they beat the Steelers. They're two

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Speaker 1: and old against the AFC North. So the Bengals could

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Speaker 1: be the first AFC North team to knock them off.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully your comparison about their last two games is right

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Speaker 1: on the money. Even the score of the recent game

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Speaker 1: was almost identical. All the Bengals lost forty one to sixteen.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders lost forty one to fourteen. Amazing, it is

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Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. And you look at the big win

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00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: the Bengals had, you know before they had their two

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Speaker 1: games slide, you know, fourteen. I mean, what's the deal

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Speaker 1: with the forty one and staying in the teams. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a recurring theme. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: an interesting, interesting dynamic and uh, you know, the Bengals

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00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: and the Raiders are both just good examples of what's

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Speaker 1: going on in the National Football League, you know. I

589
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: mean the best the Bengals have played, obviously, is the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens game. That's about as close to as well

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Speaker 1: as they can play. But they've only done it one

592
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: time in nine games. So it gives you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of hope that, man, they haven't really put it

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Speaker 1: together on a consistent enough basis to get on on

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Speaker 1: a nice run, and you know, maybe they have that

596
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Speaker 1: in them. The Raiders, it's the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: They've They've looked pretty darn good at times and other

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Speaker 1: times have looked like is this the same football team?

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00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: There's so many similarities between these two teams, there really are.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's amazing how how their seasons have almost

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Speaker 1: unfolded the same way. For this stage of the year.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals are markably healthy. I am. I'm knocking on

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Speaker 1: wood as I say that, but they do have a

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00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: significant injury now. A Keen Davis Gather suffered a foot

605
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: injury in the most recent game. He had surgery this week.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like there's a decent chance that he's out for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the year. Jordan Evans was already out

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. So those are two

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Speaker 1: of your core linebackers. Marcus Bailey has been on the

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Speaker 1: COVID list. He apparently is going to be back on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals recently added Clay Johnston off waivers from the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: He was featured prominently on Hard Knocks last year after

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Speaker 1: being drafted by the Rams. But how is all of

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Speaker 1: this linebacker stuff going to impact the team? Yeah, it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the one of the big storylines of this game and

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Speaker 1: the second half of the season. There's there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. Joe Bacchis is a guy that you know

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Speaker 1: is going to have to take on a more significant role.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Bailey with the COVID issue, you know, he didn't

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Speaker 1: practice in the early stages of the week that he

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Speaker 1: didn't practice on Wednesday. Hopefully be able to come back

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Speaker 1: and give him some practice snaps and be ready to

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00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: play in the football game. But yeah, you look at it,

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00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: and you know, Joseph Faci, you go way back, it's

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00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: like an outside linebacker, defensive end, more of a defensive

627
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: end type guy, but an edge rush kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: They've had their they've had their issues at the linebacker position.

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Speaker 1: That if you were going to pick a position, and

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Speaker 1: usually it does when you start to have an injury. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's almost like a virus and it affects one

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Speaker 1: position group and the linebacker corps is definitely the group.

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Speaker 1: And it's now it's like the trickle down effect starts

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Speaker 1: to hit Darren Simmons because now linebackers and it hasn't

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Speaker 1: had that many of them on a special teams roster.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's been for the last couple of years

637
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: now something where a lot of teams have more linebackers

638
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: available on special teams than what Darren has had. Now

639
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: that that that pot is dwindled even more and so

640
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: the linebackers are playing special teams for him have to

641
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: step up and fill some of these subpackage snaps. You

642
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: know that they were being filled by like Davis gaitheror

643
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: Bailey's going to be the guy to take the place that.

644
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Now who's your special teams linebackers? So you know there

645
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: there are guys that they're evaluating as we speak. I

646
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: mean guys that they've just signed and you know, taken

647
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: a look at and seeing what kind of roles they

648
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: can fill, whether it be special teams or sub package roles.

649
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: And I think that would be you know, a Caletro.

650
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say his name. He was

651
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: here with the Bengals for a little bit. Austin Caletro.

652
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: What can he give you out of Villanova six foot

653
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: two h forty pound guy? Can he give you some

654
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: special team snaps? So yeah, it's it's a it's a

655
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: process where the ripple effect of injuries two guys you

656
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: know that aren't even starters as such, guys that will

657
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: have in a rotation or in some kind of package

658
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be, it starts to have

659
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: an impact. And Darren Simmons and Luanna Rumo and everybody's

660
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. At this point. The Raiders

661
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: have one of the best tight ends in the NFL

662
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: and Darren Waller, he's had back to back one thousand

663
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: yard receiving seasons. I imagine a Keen Davis Gaither would

664
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: have been involved in coverage on him. What do they

665
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: do now? I think that one of the packages that

666
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers is involved in and he's been the guy

667
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: they put on the tight end um and he's he's

668
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: a bigger defensive back. He's got some some length and

669
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: some leverage to him. You know. I mean, he's a

670
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's like sixty three and he's got

671
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: long arms, and I think I think that's a role

672
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: that he may he may fill. Michael Thomas, the safety

673
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: they they signed, he may be involved in that a

674
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: little bit. They may bracket him some. I would think

675
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: I would bracket him with a linebacker and a safety. Sometimes.

676
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I think I think you're just gonna have to give

677
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: different looks to Waller. Whatever the Kansas City Chiefs did,

678
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: I'd do that because you know, it was the it

679
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: was the big matchup or not obviously against each other,

680
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: but who is going to have a bigger game for

681
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: their respective team, Travis kel Kelsey or Darren Waller. It

682
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: was Kelsey in a in a landslide, and that that's

683
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: the thing. Dan, you know, I'm looking at the second

684
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: half of the schedule. They have Waller, they have Kittle.

685
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: When the forty nine ers come to Cincinnati, they've got

686
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Andrews again, the Ravens and Kelsey. Three AFC Pro Bowl

687
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: tight ends, all three of the guys that are probably

688
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: going to be in the Pro Bowl, and then Kittle

689
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: for the NFC. The quarterback tight end combinations they've got

690
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: in four out of their last eight games pretty darn significant.

691
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: So this is a starting point to see, how are

692
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: you going to be able to handle the tight ends.

693
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: They did a good job against Andrews the first time.

694
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: They did a good job against the Ravens offense in general.

695
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: In fact, I think a lot of teams around the

696
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: league trying to crack the code like they did against

697
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. But tight ends are going to be

698
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: an issue issue in the second half of this season.

699
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: You just depressed me with that stat You didn't even

700
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: mention Friar Muth would be getting a bigger and bigger

701
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: role with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's talk about the cornerback position.

702
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: In recent weeks, the Bengals have added a couple of

703
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: veteran corners who have been starters elsewhere. Trey Flowers, you

704
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: mentioned him formerly of Seattle, Vernon Hargraves, the former number

705
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: one draft pick who most recently was with Houston. There

706
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: was some speculation that maybe one of those guys who

707
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: had surpassed Eli Apple and move into the starting lineup.

708
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen this week. Zach Taylor told

709
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: reporters that Eli is still the starter, and when asked why,

710
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: defended his play so far this year. But what do

711
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: you think long term? You know, I think that even

712
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: if you know Zach says that Eli Apples the starter,

713
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: all that matters to me. Starter is just a designation

714
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: who's taken the preponderance of the snaps, who's taking the

715
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: majority you know of the snaps, and what are the

716
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: packages of those snaps, and who's playing where. So I

717
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: think what they're they're trying to do is is work

718
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: everybody into, you know, a package as such and break

719
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: them into into playing time that way, and then if

720
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: they show they can handle that package with alacrity, then

721
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: they'll expand that package, you know. So I think that, uh,

722
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: I think that in my mind. As Paul Brown and

723
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Tiger Johnson, the first coaches that I had experienced with

724
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: in my first NFL season, they said, hey, you have

725
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: to win your job every single week. In the National

726
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: Football League, there's no givens. I mean, everybody's good. You know,

727
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: a lot of times, there's not much difference between the

728
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: guy that's quote starting and the guy that's quote backing

729
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: them up. Sometimes they're pretty darn equal. So you just

730
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: what it should do is it should inspire competitive spirit,

731
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, and hopefully you get the best out of guys,

732
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: and if guys are going to assume the feudal position

733
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: fold their tent, you don't want those guys anyway, you know,

734
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: So hopefully it lifts the entire level to play. On

735
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: the back end, the use of the word alacrity one

736
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you got into Harvard or we're

737
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: accepted at least back in the day. Let's turn to

738
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Hakima Dentogy will start at right guard

739
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: for the second consecutive game. What's it mean to him?

740
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: What's it mean to Jackson Carmen? Yeah, I think I

741
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: think for Identagy it's it's his patience was tested, his

742
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: resiliency was tested. How do you handle success, how do

743
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: you handle failure? All those kind of things were tested

744
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: when he had the injury that he had, and all

745
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: he was trying to do when he sustained the injury,

746
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: he was to get better. You know, he's trying to

747
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: get extra lift in and um, you know, I don't know,

748
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: it's you're you're in that in that place where you're

749
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: trying to get that one last rep and you're working.

750
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: You're working and sometimes and you know it can it

751
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: can cause a physical issue. You're trying to get that

752
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: that last rep and got it out. Sometimes it's best

753
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: just okay, give it away and let's do another set.

754
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: And however it happened, Um, it did happen to him,

755
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: and it set him back a little bit, but but

756
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: he responded well. I mean, I was very impressed with

757
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: how he handled that training camp. There's there's mental parts,

758
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: and I've seen guys and that you know, they get

759
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: injured and it's like I'm not part of this and

760
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: they kind of mope around and you know they don't

761
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: they don't really feel part of the team. And it's

762
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: hard to be hurt, hard to be injured. You feel

763
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: like you're almost you know, a leper. You know, you're

764
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: isolated and you can't do things that other people are doing.

765
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: But he was. He was right in the middle of it.

766
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean he did everything short of taking the physical up.

767
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he was on top of every coaching point

768
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: that Frank Pollock was going through and he would talk

769
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: to his teammates, He talked to the veteran players, and

770
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: I was impressed with that part of it. How he

771
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: was always trying to accumulate knowledge. And when I talked

772
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: to some of the veteran lineman, you know, I'd say,

773
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: what kind of questions is he asking you? You know?

774
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: And they'd be like good ones, you know, a real

775
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: good ones. So now you think, and here's the kid

776
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: that's dead serious. And so he got himself as ready

777
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: as he possibly could from all other areas other than

778
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: the actual will be able to go out there and

779
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 1: take the physical reps. And you know, as we've said

780
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: many times, and any athletic endeavor starts with the feet

781
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: ends with your hands. He's got he's excels in both areas.

782
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got some sweet feet. Now. His lateral

783
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: movement is as good as I've seen. And then when

784
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: he finishes you with that punch, you know, and you're

785
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: now you're allowed to extend your hands and actually punch

786
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: with your palms, and he packs one. He packs a punch.

787
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: So hopefully, I think he's put himself in a position

788
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: to take advantage of an opportunity, he prepared himself to

789
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: do so. And I'm rooting for him because guys like that.

790
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, he handled everything the right way, let's put

791
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: it that way. Everything that he could possibly do to

792
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: get himself ready for his next opportunity, he did in spades.

793
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: And how about Jackson now handling this? Yeah, I think

794
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: I think what Jackson has to do is I mean, everybody,

795
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: uh again, you handle success and then deal with failure?

796
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: How are you gonna How resilient are you? How are

797
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: you gonna how are you going to react? And coaches

798
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: and teammates, everybody's watching. Are you gonna Are you gonna

799
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: say it's over? You know, I lost my job, he's

800
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: the guy. Or are you gonna say I want that

801
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: job back? I'm gonna I'm gonna The first thing that

802
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: I always thought if something happened like that, the first

803
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: thing I was gonna do is going to the coach

804
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: and say, Coach, what do I need to do to

805
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: get better? How? What do I need to do to

806
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: get the job. This thing's important to me. How do

807
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: I help the team more? What do I have to

808
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: do that That type of a reaction, I think is

809
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: what is what teammates and coaches hope for instead of

810
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, like, uh, you know, whoe is me, poor me?

811
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Nobody gets a damn about you, you know. I mean,

812
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: there's been many many players and coaches that go through this.

813
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: They have gone through this league, and there's gonna be

814
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: many many coaches and players that go through it in

815
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: the future. So they don't care about one person's situation.

816
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: So there's not gonna be any pity party if you

817
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: if you get into that pity party mode, you're the

818
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: only one at the party, and it's gonna be hard

819
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: to dig yourself out of that. So I think it's

820
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: very important. This is probably the first time it's ever

821
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: happened to him. I mean, highly regarded prospect in high school,

822
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: highly regarded prospect coming out of Clemson. This is the

823
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: first significant slap in the face. WHOA, I just you know,

824
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough right now? What do I need

825
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: to do to be good enough and proceed from there?

826
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: Because again, the other thing is from a teammate standpoint

827
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: and a coach standpoint, you're one snap away from going

828
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: back in and taking the job again. That's where you

829
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: have to look at it. It's like you're literally one

830
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: snap away. So you you better not be lax or

831
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: lack of daisical or whatever. You have to approach it

832
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: like you're a starter and you're in. You're preparing as

833
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: a starter, and that's what every player should do in

834
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: my opinion, you know, and then when the opportunity knocks

835
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: like it did for a humid energy, he's ready. Let's

836
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: talk about Joe Burrow, who's having an outstanding second NFL

837
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: season with one exception, He's three a lot of picks,

838
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: eleven of them, tied for most in the NFL with

839
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Here's a stat for you. When he throws

840
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: one or fewer, the Bengals are five and one. When

841
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: he throws two or more, they're own three. How much

842
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: of it is on him so far this year? Well,

843
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: as the old saying goes, you know, every one of

844
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: them has its own story. But I do think a

845
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: couple of red zone or red zone into the end

846
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: zone interceptions were you know, almost like hoping a prayer

847
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: type throws and those more often than not don't work out.

848
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: But you've seen deflections for interceptions. You've seen defenders just

849
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: making great plays. I mean, sometimes you just have to

850
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: tip your cap to the the defender and say, you

851
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: know what, I wasn't necessarily fulled by the scheme, but

852
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was good enough to do what

853
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: he did. I didn't think he had that kind of athleticism.

854
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: I thought I had a window to take advantage of.

855
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: And the thing with Joey has so much confidence in

856
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: his accuracy, and he should. He's about as accurate as

857
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. He thinks, you know that a lot

858
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: of times he can get it into these micro windows,

859
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, really really tiny ones. So and a lot

860
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: of times he does. So I think with him, there's

861
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: no doubt that he can tell you more about every

862
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: interception he's thrown than every touchdown pass he's thrown this year,

863
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you and you know that he'll remember the

864
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: story and the lesson to be learned by the story

865
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: with every single one of them. And the ones that

866
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: aren't on him, let it roll off your back like

867
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: water off a duck. But the ones that are on him,

868
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, learn your lesson, uh you know, don't don't

869
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: wallow in it, you know, but but learn from it

870
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: and move on. And I think I think that's going

871
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: to be a big factor. I'd like to see him,

872
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, the second half of the season, the last

873
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: eight games, maybe you know, no more than four or five,

874
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, cut it in half or better. And he's

875
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: capable of doing that. It's just, you know, that that

876
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: balancing act that great players like him so competitive. It's like,

877
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: I can do this, you know, and I've done it.

878
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: I know I can do this. Sometimes you have to

879
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: just you know, live for another snap. The opponent this

880
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: week the Las Vegas Raiders, like the Bengals, five and four.

881
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: Like the Bengals, they started five and two before losing

882
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: two in a row, as you pointed out earlier. But

883
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: unlike the Bengals, this is a team with a ton

884
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: of turmoil. Their head coach John Gruden forced to resign.

885
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: They lost Henry Ruggs. He's likely to go to jail

886
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: for a long time for that accident that killed a

887
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: woman and her dog. They've got a bunch of injuries,

888
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: including some that happened just last Sunday night against the Chiefs.

889
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: This is a team where you can't help but wondering

890
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: if they are reeling and beginning to spire a lot

891
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: of control. Yeah, I mean, you were thinking the same

892
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: thing a little bit with the Cleveland Browns. You know,

893
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking, boy, Cleveland Browns, some of the things

894
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: that are going on there, and you know the OBJ

895
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: situation that was going on with Cleveland and Baker Mayfield.

896
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: He's got a wounded wing, you know, and all these

897
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: things that, Uh, boy, what are the Cleveland Browns? What's

898
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: their mindset? Like? How are they going to be able

899
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: to how will they handle this? I think that again,

900
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: to go back to my first point about getting off

901
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: to a fast start, I think if if you get

902
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: off to a fast start when they're they've experienced everything

903
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: they've experienced, the scab comes off quicker and the wound

904
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: opens faster, and it's like, this isn't the week, This

905
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: isn't the week. We come back and rally boys. You know, man,

906
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: I was still was still struggling. We're still need to

907
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: get over we need more time. But if they take

908
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: a two score lead, yeah, guys, we're good. We're done

909
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: with that. We're tough, We're tough mentally, we're tough physically,

910
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: we're resilient. We can bounce back. You know, sometimes when

911
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: when when a group goes through that type of stuff,

912
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: it galvanizes, you know. I mean, it can have that,

913
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: It can have that effect as well. I don't know

914
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: what the percentages are. They have analytics on everything. I

915
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: don't know what the percentages are of you know, teams

916
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: that have recovered from this type of craziness that we're

917
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: talking about and have gone on to you know, win

918
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: a division or getting the playoffs and advancing the playoffs.

919
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. But I think it's all

920
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: up to the Bengals at this point, you know. I

921
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: mean I think that the uh, the Raiders are probably

922
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: they're probably fragile, you know. I mean, I think it

923
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: could it could go either way. And I think on

924
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: how how the game goes early, I think we'll have

925
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: a bearing on it. I really do, particularly if they

926
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: if they really come out and take control of it.

927
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: I mean, just totally put a thumping on them. From

928
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: the early stages. I don't think there's going to be

929
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: that much fight. But if they the longer it's a game,

930
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: the more of a dog fight they're in. Because now

931
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, guys, even though

932
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: all this crap that we've had to deal with, we're

933
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: still a good football team. I love you, man, Let's

934
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: go win this sucker. That kind of stuff can happen.

935
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing this stadium. I'm looking forward

936
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: to being in Las Vegas for an NFL game because

937
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I imagine it's going to be just a little bit

938
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: like when we've gone to London in the past, where

939
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: people come from all over because it's Vegas and it's

940
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: a chance to see your NFL team on the road

941
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: in a city where you can always find a cheap

942
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: hotel room and spend a little money doing other stuff. Yeah,

943
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt it's going to be interesting

944
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: to see how how diverse the crowd is, you know,

945
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: and what the mindset of the crowd might be. If

946
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: if the Raiders get off to a slow start and

947
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: you've gotten your butt kicked either you know, rolling the

948
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: bones or playing blackjack, you may start booing real quick,

949
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: mainly two snaps. But if they get out to a

950
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: great start and you're up a grand man, now, it's

951
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: all good boy, this is a this is paradise plus.

952
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: So it'll be it'll be interesting to see what the

953
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: what the crowd is like. And uh yeah, I agree,

954
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: it's it's um there's no place like Vegas, that's for sure.

955
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: There's absolutely it's it's one of a kind. And I

956
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: can't think of an organization that probably fits that city

957
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: better than the Raiders. You know that Raiders with Al Davis,

958
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: our Syracuse fellow alone, Um and he was he definitely

959
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: was one of a kind. And uh that I can

960
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: tell you Dan. When I played, I mean we're like

961
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: two and fifteen as an organization in Oakland, in LA

962
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's when they were dominant. We went out

963
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: there and just we couldn't beat him. I mean we'd

964
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: lose thirty one twenty eight whatever the I mean, it

965
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: was close games, competitive games lose. We lost two playoff

966
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: games out there. I played in one of them, that

967
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: thirty one twenty eight game I'm talking about. I mean,

968
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: that was anybody's football game. But we just couldn't get

969
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: over the top against those great Raider teams that won

970
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. And I'm I'm pulling for the Bengals to

971
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: spank the Raiders in Las Vegas. A new a new

972
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: new location, new environment and under the everything that Vegas

973
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: has to offer, get a victory against the Raiders. That

974
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: could be one sweet weekend finally, it's time for our

975
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: no the faux segment. Jesse Merritt covers the Raiders for

976
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: ksn VTV in Las Vegas, and he joined Lap and

977
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: Wayne box Miller on the Bengals Game Plan Show on

978
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Wednesday night. You know, it's been kind of a poster

979
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: ride for Raiders in you know, they were living pretty well.

980
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: They were happy with the way the season was going,

981
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, and then the buy comes around. They come

982
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: out of the buy. I think that they're gonna have

983
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: a nice DC game against the Giants, and then they

984
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: lose the game, lose the turnover battle on that one,

985
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: and then they drop another game there against the Chiefs.

986
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: So they're kind of down on it. You're starting to

987
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: hear all the people talking about car and that, you know,

988
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: people say it all they need to move on from

989
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: them and all this stuff because he's getting turnovers and

990
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So, you know, they're kind of down

991
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: on it right now. But I think people need to

992
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: realize there's still a young season. There's still a lot

993
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: of time left to go on to the end of

994
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: the day. You know, both the Bengals and the Raiders,

995
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: they're five and four, they got a winning record and

996
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: They've got a whole lot of games in front of them,

997
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: so you know, they still kind of control their playoff dets.

998
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: To me, right now, a sports psychologist would have a

999
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: field day with the Raiders. Obviously. Really, the John Gruden incident,

1000
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, is polarizing. I'm sure there were some John

1001
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: Gruden fans and some guys that weren't as much of

1002
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: a fan of John Gruden, which could be a divisive

1003
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: thing for the football team. Then what went on with

1004
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs. I mean, this football team has dealt with

1005
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: some adversity. Do you think that what they're dealing with

1006
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: in terms of the mental part of it be off

1007
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: the field stuff. Do you think it's had any bearing

1008
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: on the two game losing streak. You know, I try

1009
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: not to put too much stock into that because you know,

1010
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: for me, I played college football and it was like

1011
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: obviously nowhere near the level that these guys do. But

1012
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: like when you get on on the field, that's like

1013
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: your release. You know, you don't really think about anything else.

1014
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of off to the side. And maybe

1015
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: when they're meetings and things like said, it can be,

1016
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: but I think more than anything, it would be kind

1017
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: of the emotional toll of like everything because it's been

1018
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: like one after another. You mentioned Gruden, you mentioned the

1019
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: situation with Ruggs, also Damon Arnett, who was another first

1020
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: round pick. He was recently pleased. You know, it was

1021
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: kind of just one thing after another. I had multiple

1022
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: friends of mine who cover teams all across the league saying, like, man,

1023
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: they're keeping you busy. It's just one thing after another.

1024
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: I was getting it exhausted. So I'm sure you know,

1025
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: for the players, it probably is because they know these

1026
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: guys on a personal level. They're their brothers, their coach,

1027
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: things like that, so it's got to take somewhat of

1028
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: a toll. But I also think once you get the

1029
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: game day, you know, they're only const round in the game.

1030
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: They got so much coming at him they can't really

1031
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: think about anything else at that point. I agree that

1032
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: it's the sanctuary. Basically, game days you're sanctuary, you know,

1033
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: and then everything else goes away. I agree. Jesse Merrick

1034
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: from three News in Las Vegas, our guests and Jesse,

1035
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: thanks to join us. When you look at what this

1036
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: team needs to do down to stretch up what is broken,

1037
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: per se or what needs to be tweaked their fix

1038
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: going down to stretch. Yeah, they got to get back

1039
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: to pushing the ball down the field the way that

1040
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: they had. You know, they were they were able to

1041
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: hit a lot of deep passes, you know, early on

1042
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: in the season and get teams kind of on their heels.

1043
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: That backed them off a bit, and you know, in

1044
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: a couple of the games we saw them be able

1045
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: to kind of establish the run a bit because of that.

1046
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Now lately, you know, the run blocking, it just hasn't

1047
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: been there. They haven't been able to get the run

1048
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: game going, and then they've been losing the turnover battle

1049
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: every time they try and throw it down the field,

1050
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: and teams are kind of just able to sit in

1051
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: that shell and not worry about, you know, too much

1052
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: over the top. Obviously, losing Rugs hurts because he's that

1053
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: guy that had that game breaking type of speed. Then

1054
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: they go bring into Sean Jackson. You know, in this

1055
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: last game here against the Chiefs, looks like he had

1056
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: a massive touchdown that was at a key moment in

1057
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: the game and then I don't know what the heck happened,

1058
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: he got turned around or whatever, and then the ball

1059
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: gets punched loose and that's the pivotal moment in the

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00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: game where you know things just changed. So for me,

1061
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: it's honestly, I think the Raiders need to not abandon

1062
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: the run because I don't want to obviously just throw

1063
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: it out of the window because they got Josh Jacob.

1064
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like in the early parts

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00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: of the season, they didn't have Josh Jacob and they

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00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: were cooking when they're able to get the passing in

1067
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: going and use that short passing game to open up

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00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: the run and then take a couple of shots here

1069
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: and there throughout the game, and they were hitting album

1070
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: at a pretty decent clip. So I think for them,

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00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: really concentrate on the path, go ahead and throw it

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00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: like forty plus times a game, and let the run

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00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: game kind of hop in there as more of a

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00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: supplemental thing. And I think that's where they're going to

1075
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: see more success throughout the year doing that. As the

1076
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: Rugs ripple effect infected Waller, I mean, it seems like

1077
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs had a pretty good game plan

1078
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: to contain Waller, who's in my mind a Pro Bowl

1079
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: tight end. I mean, this guy's side speech race shows

1080
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: off the charts. I thought you know, the Kelsey Waller

1081
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: deal Chiefs Raiders, which tight end was going to step up,

1082
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: and obviously Kelsey had a game and Waller didn't really

1083
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: get that involved. What did in Europe mind, when you

1084
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: watched it, What did they do to take Waller out

1085
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: of the game. A lot of bracket coverage and we've

1086
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: seen a lot more teams start to do that, you know,

1087
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: and and they think the Raiders are using them as

1088
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: a bit of a decoy. You know, in the first

1089
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: game against the Ravens, they targeted in nineteen times and

1090
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: people freaked out. They were like, nineteen times, throw the

1091
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: ball to somebody else, and it's like, yo, hold up

1092
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: that Darren Waller, like he's one of the best players

1093
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: in the league, like beating the ball as many times,

1094
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: feeding the ball twenty thirty times, But whatever it takes,

1095
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: if that's gonna win you games. And so they've kind

1096
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: of come away from that. I think they got to

1097
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: get it more involved in that. And obviously, again it's

1098
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done when teams are bracketing you,

1099
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: because now, let's be honest, without rugs in there, Tokay, yeah,

1100
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: they have de Shaan Jackson, but he's not the same

1101
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: type of speed guy. He's got obviously much older, you know,

1102
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: and doesn't quite have the same level of speed and

1103
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: game breaking type of stuff that he used to. So,

1104
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think teams are able to key in

1105
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: on him a little bit more because they're not as

1106
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: worried about the other players in there, because you know,

1107
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards hasn't shown the consistency as a receiver to

1108
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: continue to do it to draw that type of attention.

1109
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: And again we haven't seen Josh Jacobs get going either,

1110
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: and the other receivers a lot of younger umcoving guys

1111
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Nna Renfro starting to emerge as a really good spot receiver,

1112
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 1: but still to the point where a defense is gonna

1113
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: key in on him at you know, all points about

1114
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: the game. So I think they got to start kind

1115
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: of forcing it a bit to Waller and saying, hey, look,

1116
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: this guy's just better than the guys you got on

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00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: the other side of the ball. I don't care if

1118
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: you're bracking in whatever the heck you do. We're gonna

1119
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: feed him the ball. But then also at the same

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00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: time be able to connect when it's just not there,

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00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: and he'd be opening to when other guys are in

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00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: single coverage. So it's a matter of winning those one

1123
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: on one of battles that they just haven't been able

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00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: to do with any contstency. That's far outside of Darren Waller. Okay,

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00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: Jesse Merrick, you can find him on Twitter social media.

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00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: Jesse News three LV. That's j e SSC News three LV.

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00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I was looking at

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00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: with you know, Darren Waller. I mean, this guy over

1129
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, fourteen catches for twenty and

1130
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: more yards in nineteen sixteen, and more catches for twenty

1131
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: more yards and already eight this year. I mean, you're

1132
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: talking about a tight end getting twenty and more yards.

1133
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: It's just like a huge bonus. Well, you're talking about

1134
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: a guy that's six six plus two hundred and fifty

1135
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: pounds plus that runs a sub four five forty. That

1136
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: is a freakazoid. I mean that that is a size

1137
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: speed ratio that's like unbelievable. I mean, he is uh,

1138
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: He's he's really really talented and gifted. There's there's no

1139
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: question about it. Why we have you, Jesse. Defensively, the

1140
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: Bengals have a couple of uh I call him the

1141
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: h Boys. You have Hendrickson and Hubbard and they've combined

1142
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: for thirteen and a half sacks. You guys have in

1143
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: Gockway and Crosby who've combined for eleven sacks. How how

1144
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: much energy? How much? How much do they give this

1145
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: defense off the edge at the defensive end position? Man?

1146
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: It is? That was one thing that constantly talked about,

1147
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: is that they got to get to the quarterback. They

1148
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: got to get a pass rush going. Well this year

1149
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: they've gotten it in spades. It hasn't translated to as

1150
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: many sacks as you would think it probably would. And

1151
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: depending on where you get your stacks from, Max Crosby

1152
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: and Unique and Gockway different points about the year have

1153
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: been number one in the league, and pressure from what

1154
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: I know right now, Crosby is number one, and Treasures

1155
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: by a Pro football focus, And so those guys really

1156
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: set the tone for the defense around them, and it's

1157
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: helped guys like Casey Hayward and coverage. You know, I

1158
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: don't know anymore if he has, but I think up

1159
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: until like a week or two ago, he hadn't allowed

1160
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, a catch at all all season or something

1161
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: like that, or more than he had like one of

1162
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: the highest coverage grades by Pro Football Focus, so he

1163
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: had had been having a great year, and I think

1164
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that is because of the pressure those

1165
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: guys that are applying, and they're really kind of breaking

1166
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: the game for the defense and allowing guys to roam

1167
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: around and just kind of be athletes. And so they

1168
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: have been the driving for for this defense. And it's

1169
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: fun to watch because they're competing NonStop. Even a practice,

1170
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: it's a sprint in the line of scream because it's

1171
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: a front offerer, whatever the heck they're doing. Brosby and

1172
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: Unique seemed to really have this big connection and they're

1173
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: they're playing off of each other very well, and it's

1174
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: something that's given opposing offenses, you know, a heck of

1175
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 1: the headache and you know you've been staught it against Mahome,

1176
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: he was having to move around and get off the spot,

1177
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: which he obviously does all the time, but they frustrated him.

1178
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: That just obviously not enough. You guy sat it for

1179
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: forty one point. Hi. Thanks the Lap Box and Jesse

1180
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: Merrick for that interview. And here's a quick reminder to

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Speaker 1: join lap and Me for the Bengals PEP rally show

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