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Speaker 1: we simply don't know the answer to. August two thousand seven,
Speaker 1: A severed foot in a running she washes up. Wait wait,
Speaker 1: don't you want to go through the whole high there?
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Speaker 1: hi everyone, this is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin,
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Speaker 1: It was fast. I didn't really need it, did we
Speaker 1: Why are you talking so fast? I don't know if
Speaker 1: you have a lot of sugar to This story just
Speaker 1: kind of excites me, and I think I'm excited because
Speaker 1: Joe always kind of solves mysteries. I think we can
Speaker 1: actually solve this one. So I'm just like ready to go. Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: let's have us do it. Okay, what are we doing.
Speaker 1: Here's the facts. We're doing the severed feet of the
Speaker 1: Salish Sea. Ah, so the mystery is a foot alright, alright,
Speaker 1: so ready, yeah, I'm gonna go back into it, all right, Okay.
Speaker 1: August two thousand and seven, A severed foot in a
Speaker 1: running shoe washes up on the shore of a beach
Speaker 1: in Canada. Since then, twelve more feet have been found.
Speaker 1: The likelihood of finding two feet in the situation is
Speaker 1: estimated at one in one million. Who who calculated those odds?
Speaker 1: How exactly do you calculate? How you calculate those odds?
Speaker 1: I think he's the wind pattern and the stars and
Speaker 1: everything aligned, ocean patterns. Ocean pattern You probably just go
Speaker 1: to the there's a web page, I have no doubt.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. You go out to made up
Speaker 1: statistics dot com. You can go to that one. Now,
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a webpage just to voted to
Speaker 1: severed feet somewhere on the web. The numbers and now yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So four of the feet have been identified as belonging
Speaker 1: to two people, two separate people, but the rest of
Speaker 1: them belonged to persons unknown, and the reasons for the
Speaker 1: severed feet washing up has not been discovered. So they
Speaker 1: were actually identifiably associated with named persons two of them. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, four of the feet to two of the people. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And so what were the circumstances under which these people
Speaker 1: drowned or we're okay, so we're gonna go for this one.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably best to just go foot by foot.
Speaker 1: There's so many puns in this episode. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna go like one foot and the other
Speaker 1: front of the other. Yeah, you know, the Journey of
Speaker 1: a thousand miles and all that. Alright, So the first
Speaker 1: foot was found by a girl who was visiting Canada
Speaker 1: from the state of Washington on August two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: She was walking along the beach and she saw this
Speaker 1: athletic shoe and it had a sock in it, and
Speaker 1: she thought, I know, I'll look in that sock. I
Speaker 1: don't know why she thought that. She regretted it didn't
Speaker 1: she did. She was like, oh, maybe there's some stand
Speaker 1: in here. Cool, I guess I don't know what in
Speaker 1: your brain like you go, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: why I see. You know, I see a shoe on
Speaker 1: the beach. I just thought of actually assumed that's a
Speaker 1: severed limb of some sort in there and well anywhere.
Speaker 1: So she opened up the sock and there was a
Speaker 1: foot in there. Well, now there's probably like a like
Speaker 1: an ankle. Yeah, I was, you're right, she saw an
Speaker 1: ankle and she and was like, oh, they put two
Speaker 1: and two together and assumed it was right. And you know,
Speaker 1: eventually it was extracted and find whatever they figured out
Speaker 1: was a human foot. They figured out it was a
Speaker 1: human foot belonging to a man in the shoe was
Speaker 1: a twelve. Okay, Well it was a kind of shoe
Speaker 1: that was produced in two thousand three only and mainly
Speaker 1: distributed in India, so it wasn't a major brand, okay.
Speaker 1: I I thought that the first one that they found
Speaker 1: was like a recognizable like Nike or Adidas. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: it was Adida's. Yeah, I thought that too, but as
Speaker 1: I got further into the research, it didn't actually mention that. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: it must be well, there's there's so many feet that
Speaker 1: it's hard to keep them strange. Yeah. So, and that
Speaker 1: one's a little bit of an anomaly because it does
Speaker 1: initially it says that of an Adida's size twelve, but
Speaker 1: then it goes on to say that it was just
Speaker 1: a random kind of shoe. So I don't totally know,
Speaker 1: and maybe other people can suss out more information in
Speaker 1: my research, it wasn't Yeah, yeah, I wasn't positive you
Speaker 1: this why I asked, Yeah, okay, okay, so we've got
Speaker 1: this seize wave shoe. So one Okay. The second foot
Speaker 1: was found on August two thousand and seven, which is
Speaker 1: six days later in the grand scheme of things. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty close time. Yeah, that is UM in two
Speaker 1: thousand seven, so just six days later this time it
Speaker 1: was discovered by a couple. Um. It was also the
Speaker 1: foot of a man. It was water logged, and it
Speaker 1: had signs of being brought to shore by an animal
Speaker 1: instead of UM for currents or tides or whatever. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of animal, that's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would guess it was on the beach. Who do
Speaker 1: you see running around on on the beach all the
Speaker 1: time that picks up shoes dogs? Probably a dog, maybe
Speaker 1: a dog or like a seal or something. Could have
Speaker 1: been a seal or something. Yeah, slipper. So this kind
Speaker 1: of shoe that they found on this foot had been
Speaker 1: discontinued in two thousand and four. The third foot was
Speaker 1: found on February eight, two eight. It was also a
Speaker 1: man's foot, UM, also wearing a sneaker in a sock.
Speaker 1: This kind of shoe was sold in Canada and the
Speaker 1: US between February one and June two thousand three. Okay,
Speaker 1: the more these dates will become important in a minute.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just as I'm running here, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: most of these shoes are about three or four years
Speaker 1: old when they're found. Okay. Um. So the fourth foot
Speaker 1: was found on May twenty twond two thousand eight. It
Speaker 1: was a sock and a sneaker. This time the foot
Speaker 1: belonged to a woman. However, the sneaker she was wearing
Speaker 1: had been manufactured only in Okay, so even older. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is getting weirder. Okay. So the fifth foot was
Speaker 1: found on June six, two eight m. It was floating
Speaker 1: in the water. It wasn't on the land because I
Speaker 1: guess at this point people are looking for feet, you know. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to say something about that because that was
Speaker 1: one of the funny things that I found when I
Speaker 1: was doing the research. Is somebody said, well, it's crazy
Speaker 1: that we're finding all of these severed feet, but people
Speaker 1: are aware of it because the media has got ahold
Speaker 1: of it. So now every time a person sees a
Speaker 1: shoe flowing in the water, they weighed out and grab
Speaker 1: it to see if it's got a foot in it.
Speaker 1: So that's something I would necessarily do. I wouldn't either.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, it's kind of the when
Speaker 1: you don't know that all these feet are being found
Speaker 1: on the beach kind of where you are you think, oh, sneaker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just it's a piece of trash, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably walked past several severed feet in my lifetime and
Speaker 1: you don't know. So this foot, through DNA testing, was
Speaker 1: found to be the left foot of the third foot
Speaker 1: that was found. So the third foot was a right foot,
Speaker 1: so they were matching parents. There was a matching pair. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: the joke in there somewhere. So the sixth foot was
Speaker 1: found on August first, two thousand eight UM, and it
Speaker 1: was covered in seaweeds. So again this kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to the like people are kind of actively looking
Speaker 1: for feet and yeah, you see a sneaker covered in
Speaker 1: sneak seaweed and you're like, awesome, another foot, Yeah, another
Speaker 1: severed foot. They were bit more to you because imagine
Speaker 1: the number of people that that didn't turn into the
Speaker 1: authorities and instead to come yeah for souvenirs. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: really disturbing, really disturbing. That's awful. Never to show me
Speaker 1: your sneaker collection, please, actually let me get it. So
Speaker 1: this one was a size eleven. It was a right foot, um,
Speaker 1: and it was in a large black top shoe. I've
Speaker 1: seen pictures of this. It's also a sneaker. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, like the air Jordans or whatever. It's a
Speaker 1: high top kind of okay, And it contained bones and
Speaker 1: human flesh. And this one was found in Washington State
Speaker 1: in the United States, not Canada. This is the one
Speaker 1: on August one. Yes, okay, al right, so this is
Speaker 1: the first time they crossed the border. It's a long walk.
Speaker 1: This show is the punniest. Sorry, I can't help myself.
Speaker 1: So the seventh foot was found on November eleventh, two thight.
Speaker 1: It was also found floating. It was also a woman foot,
Speaker 1: and via d DNA testing, it was found to be
Speaker 1: the mate of that fourth foot, the woman's first yeah okay, yeah, um.
Speaker 1: So the eighth foot was found on October eighth, two
Speaker 1: thousand nine, inside a running shoe. The ninth foot was
Speaker 1: found on August, also in Washington State, and somehow it
Speaker 1: was determined that the foot had been in water for
Speaker 1: two months. It's been floating around for two months in
Speaker 1: the water. Maybe it's like how much water, how water
Speaker 1: logged it is, how much decomposition and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: or nibbling by fishes. But so they actually made a
Speaker 1: determination for the ninth foot, but they hadn't done it
Speaker 1: for any of the previous feed Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's so it's getting a little This one also
Speaker 1: is a little weird because size wise, they suggested this
Speaker 1: foot was either like a small footed woman or a juvenile,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was us a foot. It wasn't
Speaker 1: found with a sneaker. Oh, so this was a barefoot
Speaker 1: just floating along and floating in the water or on
Speaker 1: the beach. It was on the beach, I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it had been in the water previously, because we'll
Speaker 1: get into this, but feet by themselves don't float very well, exactly.
Speaker 1: They flowed a lot better when they have fluffy little
Speaker 1: tennis shoes. Absolutely. So they sent this foot out for
Speaker 1: DNA testing and the tests were inconclusive. Um. The tenth
Speaker 1: foot was found on December five, also in Washington, but
Speaker 1: in like Tacoma that's quite away really south compared to
Speaker 1: are they've been finding most of these feet for for
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't know. So we were right on the
Speaker 1: border of the state of Washington and Canada, and that's
Speaker 1: where Seattle is essentially. And then and these things are
Speaker 1: all happening right in that area for Seattle, and like
Speaker 1: Vancouver b C. Yeah, kind of pretty close. And then
Speaker 1: to go to Tacoma, our plus drive in a card
Speaker 1: free was speed. So we're looking at sixty plus seventy
Speaker 1: plus miles farther south. Yeah, that's quite a distance, which
Speaker 1: makes me suspect that that one's a copycat. Maybe it
Speaker 1: totally Maybe seven Get my foot in the news, Get
Speaker 1: a foot in the door. Um So that foot was
Speaker 1: also very small. Um it was found in a hiking boot. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was a boy's size six, So either like
Speaker 1: a juvenile or a small adult. To give you to
Speaker 1: size reference, that's the size that my foot is. People
Speaker 1: that are not in the studio, you probably were. I
Speaker 1: would say you were a men's six or seven. I
Speaker 1: wear a women's six or seven, which is a boy's six. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously I don't buy small shoes, which is a men's
Speaker 1: like four. Okay. Anyway, A picture of never Mind foot
Speaker 1: will be posted on the website, so that'll be good reference. Yes,
Speaker 1: the eleventh foot was then discovered on August eleven. So
Speaker 1: we're getting to like fairly recent four years this has
Speaker 1: been happening. Okay, that this one had a bonus, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did have a bonus. The bonus was a lake bone, um,
Speaker 1: and it was found to be floating in a marina.
Speaker 1: So this one's, you know, again, kind of an anomaly pattern.
Speaker 1: The twelfth foot was found November four, two eleven, however,
Speaker 1: was identified as belonging to a local fisherman to the
Speaker 1: area where this was found that had disappeared in seven
Speaker 1: And where was that found? Yeah, it was found in
Speaker 1: a lake nearby the sea. So this one is like total,
Speaker 1: a total anomally. Yeah, this is not really they lump
Speaker 1: it in. Yeah, so the lake and the river and everything.
Speaker 1: It's close, okay, close, all right, I'm ruling that one
Speaker 1: out of the list, but yeah, I agree. But thirteen
Speaker 1: was found attached to a leg bone in a plastic
Speaker 1: bag in Seattle, Washington, floating under a bridge, extra style
Speaker 1: dexter style. Really, so that one another anomaly, and then
Speaker 1: the one is also an anomaly, which they I don't
Speaker 1: know why. Generally it's generally accepted that these are all
Speaker 1: lumped in together. But I don't. I don't because it's
Speaker 1: phenomena of feet. Yeah. Well, the thing is is that
Speaker 1: there have been some feet appearing like on the east
Speaker 1: coast in in Florida, things like that. They're not lumped
Speaker 1: in with this case. It's just on the west coast.
Speaker 1: But this one was found on September two thousand and
Speaker 1: thirteen in San Francisco, California, which, like, I just feel
Speaker 1: like if there is any connection between these feet, that
Speaker 1: foot is not connected. Yeah, well, um, it could be.
Speaker 1: But so was this one the one that was found
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Was it also in a running shoe? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah. And then there's one more foot. Um.
Speaker 1: It was found in July of two thousand eight um
Speaker 1: and identified by DNA testing to have belonged to a
Speaker 1: man who was suicidal, and there's been no further information
Speaker 1: released due to the family's request. So that was that
Speaker 1: you're presenting that with a little out of order just
Speaker 1: because of the circumstances. Okay, So now that that you
Speaker 1: confuse me when you jump back in time, I got,
Speaker 1: I got so Okay, So let's let's be very clear
Speaker 1: here that one has been identified to a real person
Speaker 1: who people know. The other ones that have been identified
Speaker 1: have not been identified to people, just that they match
Speaker 1: each other. They've just been made it together, but we
Speaker 1: don't know who. They don't know that they belong to. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now, but the July foot that was found where
Speaker 1: also in the sea. Okay, And it was like and
Speaker 1: and presumably this guy jumped off a ship or he
Speaker 1: jumped off a bridge. Yeah, was what the kind of
Speaker 1: theory was. He was known to be suicidal out of respect,
Speaker 1: he had his history, and he lived near one of
Speaker 1: the bridge. There's a theory floating around were terrible people.
Speaker 1: This is a bad one for that. There's a theory
Speaker 1: floating around. But these feet may belong to um. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of theories flitting around. One of them is
Speaker 1: that there's a serial murderer that has a foot fetish.
Speaker 1: What listen? Okay, so I guess the theory is like
Speaker 1: this is sound kind of a little bit that they
Speaker 1: it's Dexter style totally. They kill these people, They take
Speaker 1: them out into the ocean, they cut off their feet
Speaker 1: and then drop everything into the ocean to the sea,
Speaker 1: and their feet float away and the body sink. And
Speaker 1: that's why they're all because this person has been active
Speaker 1: in this area area at this time. Okay, now, but
Speaker 1: but this is easily provable because then the feet would
Speaker 1: have been severed by a bone, so presumably so that
Speaker 1: would be evidence. But if I'm wrong, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're going to go into the decomposition process
Speaker 1: that is happeningly, because that, I think is where that
Speaker 1: part lose that piece of the puzzle. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think the bone really decomposes the way flesh
Speaker 1: does in water. Well, you're absolutely correct, and we'll get
Speaker 1: into this in just a minute. I think this theory
Speaker 1: is total bunk. Okay, yeah, serial killer stupid if there's
Speaker 1: so many things that doesn't explain, especially one of the
Speaker 1: things that doesn't explain is that if there is a
Speaker 1: serial killer in this area and he's dumping a bunch
Speaker 1: of bodies, there would be so many people that has
Speaker 1: been reported missing, and they could have told they've DNA
Speaker 1: tested all of these different shoes with all the different
Speaker 1: feet that have the shoes on that and that would
Speaker 1: be would have been a washing on shore. Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: also if he had a foot fetish, wouldn't you think
Speaker 1: he'd keep the I think so, Yeah, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: my other thing. I mean, he'd keep him a surprise,
Speaker 1: not chuck him over last and free, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, maybe he had an anti foot fetish.
Speaker 1: He felt the feet were hideous and unclean, so he
Speaker 1: chopped them off and kept the rest of the corpse
Speaker 1: for his collection. Yeah, and then threw them in the city.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's all it's not really incredible. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about decomposition. He was talking about what happens because the
Speaker 1: body is decaying and water. We're just talking about how
Speaker 1: upsetting the term deep loving was right recently. This is
Speaker 1: not as upsetting, but it's still pretty grows, still pretty gross.
Speaker 1: So what happens is it just begins, I mean, to
Speaker 1: decay right here in the water, and your flesh and
Speaker 1: your muscles start to decay, but your bones don't really decay.
Speaker 1: So what happens is your body starts to break apart
Speaker 1: at the weak points. What are your weak points? Joints?
Speaker 1: What's one of the weakest of the joints, your ankle,
Speaker 1: especially if it's attached to a big floaty thing and
Speaker 1: the weight of your body is dragging it out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's the theory kind of where people are going
Speaker 1: with why we've been discovering these feet. We I'm one
Speaker 1: of the discoverers why these feet have kind of been
Speaker 1: discovered and they were attached to like because you notice
Speaker 1: that they're all athletic shoes, which would float most as
Speaker 1: Oxfords for example, wouldn't probably most of them, you know,
Speaker 1: there's Doc Doc Martin's probably we've got the bare foot.
Speaker 1: We've got a foot and a hiking shoe. And I
Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but my hiking boots have
Speaker 1: never been particularly seeming buoyant. Maybe they are. They might
Speaker 1: be um, but there could be like an air pocket.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the theory as to why we're
Speaker 1: finding these things. And so they float, okay, they float,
Speaker 1: and the flat On top of that, you've got the
Speaker 1: fact that it's estimated that body will pretty much stay
Speaker 1: intact for about three years, um, you know, breaking off
Speaker 1: at the week. That won't look too hot, it won't
Speaker 1: look it's not gonna look good, but it's not going
Speaker 1: to be crushed. It's still kind of identifiable. Not only
Speaker 1: do bodies kind of resemble themselves for three years, but
Speaker 1: it's estimated that a foot could float as far as
Speaker 1: one thousand miles in the sea. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: if I would think that it could go a lot
Speaker 1: further potentially, But if you think about it, a foot
Speaker 1: that is encased in a sock, in a shoe normally,
Speaker 1: if it was exposed, let's no shoe, no sock, it's
Speaker 1: got to start breaking down and all those little bones
Speaker 1: are going to work their way out. The whole thing
Speaker 1: is gonna tread apart. Whereas when it's stuck inside of
Speaker 1: a container for lack of a better text, for the
Speaker 1: most part, it's gonna be relatively in original condition. And
Speaker 1: other than the fact that it's water loged't or hearts,
Speaker 1: it's got bump, everything's still going to be stuck in there,
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, unless you're wearing those
Speaker 1: little athletics booty socks that for running socks, those are
Speaker 1: what they are. Socks tend to come up just a
Speaker 1: little bit above the ankle. So as soon as what's
Speaker 1: above the ankle goes away, they close up and they
Speaker 1: hold everything here, hold that freshness in any kind of
Speaker 1: why I brought the stories so I thought they would
Speaker 1: got it? Got it? Anyways? I really like this theory
Speaker 1: to why we're finding a lot of these now, um,
Speaker 1: and it kind of ties into why it's important that
Speaker 1: we pay attention to the year that the shoes were manufactured.
Speaker 1: And this theory is that these feet belong to victims
Speaker 1: of the two thousand four Asians unami. Yeah, that's entirely possible,
Speaker 1: So run that through for so here's the way that
Speaker 1: that theory kind of works is none of these shoes
Speaker 1: were manufactured past two thousand four. Uh. This is the
Speaker 1: ones that were found prior, all of the ones that
Speaker 1: were found up to about two thousand eight, right, because
Speaker 1: after that they kind of just started getting scattered. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ones that I think I would qualify as a
Speaker 1: viable core group, the core group, Yeah, they're not manufactured
Speaker 1: after two four and they're all shoes that are make
Speaker 1: and model that were sold in Asia, sold primarily in Asia.
Speaker 1: And it would help explain the influx. Is if you
Speaker 1: think these bodies were all kind of washed to see
Speaker 1: at the same time, they kind of decompose at the
Speaker 1: same rate. So there's a high instance of you know,
Speaker 1: they all got caught up in the same current currence.
Speaker 1: But this is a guess things sounds one of those
Speaker 1: two things. Number One, I mean, did anybody run any
Speaker 1: DNA analysis on these things to find out there they
Speaker 1: belong to Thai mostly Thai people. I have no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be worth finding why. I don't know that they
Speaker 1: can find that specifically. I think when they run DNA
Speaker 1: analysis they're looking for a match to put it against.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're going to the lens the ethnicity.
Speaker 1: But actually, have you guys ever heard of the North
Speaker 1: Pacific Drift? This rings a bell, but I can't think
Speaker 1: of what it is. Yeah, it's a it's a major
Speaker 1: Currently there's there's a there's a circular current that runs
Speaker 1: around the Pacific basin, and so like it goes down
Speaker 1: the west coast of North America and then turns goes
Speaker 1: west across the ocean, and when it hits Aja, it
Speaker 1: turns and goes north and then eventually it turns and
Speaker 1: goes east again. And the circuit and yeah, and where
Speaker 1: it hits and I can show you guys a picture
Speaker 1: of it, But where it hits the west coast of
Speaker 1: North America, it splits into two parts. One goes south,
Speaker 1: one goes north towards Alaska. And they want to go
Speaker 1: south towards San Francisco. Uh, and that spot is well
Speaker 1: right about Vancouver Island. Fute it sound interesting. I think
Speaker 1: it's that that's really interesting. Actually, I don't know why
Speaker 1: I didn't come up with that. Seems like it would
Speaker 1: be like a very helpful to this theory. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'll show it to you after the the you know,
Speaker 1: I really I'm gonna be honest if if I've got
Speaker 1: to put in my two centses. So what I think
Speaker 1: it is. I think that one of the few people
Speaker 1: that's been identified the guy who committed suicide presumably from
Speaker 1: having jumped from a bridge. What happens when a body
Speaker 1: hits water and dies is they initially sink, Well, they
Speaker 1: float for a little bit and then they sink. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why there's is it Tom Sawyer where they go
Speaker 1: floating down and they're firing the cannon because the concussion
Speaker 1: will shake the bodies lose because the body gets stuck
Speaker 1: in the mud that's on the bottom of river. So
Speaker 1: if there's a bridge in that area, almost every major
Speaker 1: city has a major bridge that's notorious for people throwing
Speaker 1: themselves off of So to me, it makes sense that
Speaker 1: it's probably a bunch of people in the area that
Speaker 1: at one point in a relatively small time frame, threw
Speaker 1: themselves from the bridge, hit the bottom, got stuck in
Speaker 1: the sentiment in the mock, and then again. And then
Speaker 1: I go with the theory that the weak points are
Speaker 1: what break off and this wasn't such a big deal
Speaker 1: because shoes are now, as Joe put it, puffier and puffier,
Speaker 1: so they got those bigger chunks on them that are
Speaker 1: floating foams. That to me seems like the valid direct
Speaker 1: the valid theory on this. I guess my problem with
Speaker 1: that is the lack of finding any other body parts. Ever,
Speaker 1: so I think, and then when you dive, you go
Speaker 1: in head first, do you know at the I'm kidding
Speaker 1: you know. I think the reason the tsunami theory is
Speaker 1: my most viable theory is because that's a long distance
Speaker 1: for something that doesn't float particularly well to travel. Whereas
Speaker 1: if you got the buoyant shoe on you, it makes
Speaker 1: more way more sense that you would travel that far,
Speaker 1: Whereas if it's local bodies, you would think that more
Speaker 1: bodies would have been identified but identified or you know,
Speaker 1: the DNA testing or bodies flow, you know, showing up
Speaker 1: someplace else, they do a lot of work and rivers
Speaker 1: like that, it trudges. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: in major cities who nobody knows what happens to because
Speaker 1: they just disappear. I mean, let's be honest. If if
Speaker 1: I'm a street kid living in British Columbia and I've
Speaker 1: got I decided that I've got nothing more and my
Speaker 1: family doesn't know where I am, They're not going to
Speaker 1: submit my DNA and that's going to be put into
Speaker 1: a giant panther. Go, I don't know what happened to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I mean, I'm to me. Okham's
Speaker 1: razor to me says that's the simplest answer, which would
Speaker 1: make the most sense. Great, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: really know that that's even the simplest answer, though, listen,
Speaker 1: only one fits just as well. Also, the possibilities that
Speaker 1: the north specific drift. Again, It's like if a ship
Speaker 1: had sunk or you know what with a lot of
Speaker 1: people went down or something something like that, and all
Speaker 1: you know, those all those people wanted being in the
Speaker 1: water for months at a time, and you know, eventually
Speaker 1: their stuff would be you know, parts of their bodies
Speaker 1: to be washed ashore. I mean, there's all kinds of possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a theory that there was a crash of
Speaker 1: a small airplane that happened kind of outside of Vancouver
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Ocean, and maybe the bodies there's like
Speaker 1: four men who died and this thing maybe these were
Speaker 1: those feet that belong to those men. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: it seems like that's the sort of thing that you
Speaker 1: could kind of test for well here because they would
Speaker 1: have been families that were actively pursuing that sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's possible. If you look at the currents,
Speaker 1: it's possible for somebody that throw about to go down.
Speaker 1: Somebody could like fall over words from his sailboat somewhere
Speaker 1: off the coast of California, somebody who's wearing at least
Speaker 1: one Nike stylish nake running shoes on his feet and
Speaker 1: eventually wind up on the shores of British Columbia. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could happen to drift, It could happen all over
Speaker 1: the Pacific um. But what this tells me most of all, though,
Speaker 1: is that say, if it was the tsunami or if
Speaker 1: it was just random chance, like like shipwrecks and things
Speaker 1: like that. There must be a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of floating feet in the Pacific because because the thing
Speaker 1: about it is is like mostly the currents are going
Speaker 1: to continue to carry your foot around and around and
Speaker 1: around for a while. It's not gonna wash on shore.
Speaker 1: It's just it's more probably more often than not, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna it's gonna bypass British Columbia on the coast
Speaker 1: and whatever just drift on by. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of feet out there. Well that I think again why
Speaker 1: this tsunomy makes so much sense to me, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of bodies, massive amount of bodies. So for
Speaker 1: the like you know, twelve or whatever, shoot exactly like
Speaker 1: a tiny little percentage an explanation other than that doesn't
Speaker 1: make as much sense to me. But you know, I
Speaker 1: don't totally discredit Steve's theory either. I can see validity
Speaker 1: in it. Just I have a hard time seeing a
Speaker 1: foot in issue drift that far and still be intact.
Speaker 1: But that's just me. But yeah, as far as bridge suicides,
Speaker 1: and I probably usually somebody witnesses it and you know
Speaker 1: they fished the body out and cut it away. Not
Speaker 1: always but not always, but not always, that's not and
Speaker 1: that's the other reason I go there. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's kind of all our theories. Wow, that was a
Speaker 1: short list. I blame Richard the third. Yeah, he's totally
Speaker 1: totally guilty with him. So I guess if you have
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Speaker 1: if you're missing a foot and you think one of
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Speaker 1: thanks for listening to this what turned out to be
Speaker 1: super short show but very punny. Oh god, yeah, you
Speaker 1: give me those looks for making that joke. I should
Speaker 1: have stopped with the first one. I feel like this
Speaker 1: was like, thanks for tolerating us. So yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: thanks guys, we'll talk to you soon. The shoes on
Speaker 1: the other foot, now, isn't this from the guy who
Speaker 1: always puts his foot in his mouth? You guys, we
Speaker 1: have to stop. Really? Yeah, oh man, this thing was
Speaker 1: Jessicain intraction. How about how about, like, know, don't criticize
Speaker 1: a man until you've walked a mile in his his shoes.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you floated a mile in his shoes. I
Speaker 1: guess